Time Nick Message 00:00 jcamins_away coryj: don't use nozebra. 00:00 jcamins_away Really. 00:00 jcamins_away It will make you tear your hair out. 00:00 coryj arg... bad copy/paste 00:00 coryj rebuild_zebra.pl 00:00 jcamins_away Good! 00:06 tcohen hi rangi 00:06 tcohen is there a way to translate "on-the-fly" strings that come from database? 00:09 tcohen i'm thinking on something like that for bug 6299 00:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms 00:14 rangi no 00:14 rangi we have resisted any on the fly because its slow 00:14 rangi but now i have meetings 00:21 coryj What's the status of ldap authentication these days? I haven't looked at it for a couple years. 00:26 tcohen on-the-fly translation for frameworks+memcached ? 00:26 tcohen maybe we could translate complete frameworks on the fly 00:29 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure that's necessary. 00:30 jcamins_away The problem as I see it is catalogue display, not cataloging. 00:30 tcohen catalogue display of relator terms? 00:30 jcamins_away Right. 00:31 jcamins_away Bug 5711. 00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Distinction between authors/additional authors in opac normal view (MARC21/XSLT) 00:31 jcamins_away And bug 5701. 00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5701 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT) 00:31 tcohen yeap, I saw those 00:32 jcamins_away I think you can safely require all catalogers at a given institution to use the same language for relator terms. 00:32 coryj I want to add an option to display a branch selector during staff client login.. even when IndependantBranches is enabled. 00:32 tcohen i thought the same, as long as we provide a translated description 00:33 tcohen in the cataloguing interface 00:33 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure you need to provide a translated description. 00:33 jcamins_away The SQL files are translated. 00:33 coryj Should that pref go under Admin/Login Options or "Local Use" ? 00:33 jcamins_away coryj: I don't think that's possible. 00:34 tcohen jcamins_away: you mean it is not worth it? 00:35 jcamins_away tcohen: I think I'm probably just confusing you. I'll try to explain what I was trying to say earlier. 00:35 tcohen i think you mean we can just provide translated authorized values for each language 00:36 jcamins_away Yes. 00:36 tcohen and adjust xslt's so everything is shown properly 00:36 jcamins_away For the cataloger. 00:36 jcamins_away Right. 00:36 tcohen alright 00:37 tcohen i'll post a proposed sql file for 'en' 00:37 tcohen one question: how do I start a es-ES data/mysql dir? 00:37 jcamins_away So the XSLT could have something like: <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='a'] eq 'editor'>Editor:</xsl:if> 00:38 jcamins_away tcohen: I don't know, actually. 00:38 tcohen for the xslt, exactly, that's what i was looking to solve 00:39 tcohen as for the trnaslation, i'll talk to bernardo so we can commit that translated stuff 00:39 tcohen we don't manage to know the workflow for that 00:39 tcohen i think i'll send a big patch 00:39 coryj jcamins_away: I don't see why not. I can remove the bounding IF right now and it works.... only useful for superlibrarians tho. 00:40 jcamins_away coryj: right. It won't work for anyone else, and they'll tell you it's broken. :\ 00:41 coryj In our case the staff interface is mostly used by people who can work in multiple branches. 00:41 jcamins_away Okay, my wife isn't going to be home for a while, I'm just having dinner now. 00:41 coryj french toast? 00:41 jcamins_away French toast time! 00:41 jcamins_away :D 00:41 tcohen jcamins_away: gnochi here 00:41 tcohen bye and thanks for your time! 00:41 jcamins_away tcohen: ooh, gnocchi's pretty tasty too. Maybe Friday. 00:42 coryj l8er jcamins_away 00:58 jcamins_away Wow. 00:58 wizzyrea_away ? 00:58 jcamins_away The French toast. 00:59 wizzyrea_away lol 00:59 jcamins_away Did you *really* think I was going to talk about anything else today? 00:59 coryj everybody talking is away. kinda like ghosts 00:59 wizzyrea` hehe 01:02 * jcamins_away is defiantly ghost-like. 01:02 jcamins_away Though less likely to melt into nothingness now that he's eaten something. 01:06 wizzyrea` so the toast was alright, eh? 01:06 wizzyrea` as magical as you'd hoped? 01:07 jcamins_away Yes! 01:07 jcamins_away :D 01:07 wizzyrea` love it when it works out like that 01:07 coryj g'nite #koha. Time for bed 01:08 coryj jcamins_away: Think of something good for dinner tomorrow too. Just make sure it is something I'll have the ingredients for on hand. ;) 01:10 druthb wizzyrea`! Woot! 01:11 * druthb hugs wizzyrea`. 01:11 wizzyrea` :D 01:11 wizzyrea` thanx :D are you home? 01:12 druthb yep. 01:12 wizzyrea` fabulous 01:13 * jcamins_away learns outrageously offensive Russian obscenities so he can scream them at the cockroaches. 01:15 jcamins_away Better... Judeo-Tajik curses. 01:15 jcamins_away This way I'll fit in. 01:16 wizzyrea` lol 01:17 jcamins_away You laugh, but they're worse than when we moved in. 01:17 jcamins_away Well, maybe not worse. 01:17 jcamins_away But, bad. 01:19 wizzyrea` ew 01:20 jcamins_away I'll say. 01:24 wizzyrea` are you still in new york proper? 01:24 jcamins_away Yep. 01:24 jcamins_away Queens. 01:24 wizzyrea` is it known for it's cockroaches? 01:25 jcamins_away Yep. 01:25 jcamins_away Well, not Queens. 01:25 jcamins_away But New York in general. 01:27 * jcamins_away fills out the evaluation questionaire for his library school. 01:28 jcamins_away [off] I imagined that the school was run by cockroaches. It helped me feel better _and_ guaranteed more honest answers. 01:37 jcamins_away druthb++ # for making Myshkin famous! 01:37 druthb heh. 01:37 druthb that's a cute pic you sent. 01:40 rangi back 01:48 Space_Librarian Oooh. The aliaPD lists now got a KohaCon ping. Irma++ for a scholarship to attend. :) 01:57 jcamins_away wizzyrea`: congratulations! 01:58 wizzyrea` thanx :) 02:04 druthb @seen Brooke 02:04 huginn druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: * Brooke is guessing shorter. 02:06 * druthb waves to rangi 02:06 rangi hey druthb 02:09 rangi hey jransom 02:09 wahanui somebody said jransom was so pleased! 02:10 jransom hiya all 02:10 druthb hi, jransom! 02:16 Space_Librarian hey jransom 02:18 jransom hey Shelley :) 02:20 Space_Librarian Hey Jo. :) 02:38 eythian http://www.ted.com/talks/yochai_benkler_on_the_new_open_source_economics.html <-- "Yochai Benkler on the new open-source economics" 02:46 Brooke kia ora! 02:51 Brooke Kombucha is the nectar of the gods. 02:56 wizzyrea` mmmmmmm 02:56 Brooke :) 02:57 Brooke cranberry ftw 02:57 wizzyrea` oo 02:57 * Brooke was quite probably brainwashed in Massachusetts. 02:59 * Brooke spins the wheel to see if this aussie tank will dc every other second *again*. 03:00 wizzyrea` now I want cranberries. 03:01 Brooke make Nora post some. >:) 03:01 wizzyrea` nora is great, met her for the first time (in person) monday 03:02 Brooke you have no idea of the extent of her magical powah 03:02 wizzyrea` :) 03:02 wizzyrea` it's gotta be the hair 03:02 Brooke nora++ 03:02 wizzyrea` she has wicked cool hair. srsly. 03:02 Brooke I know 03:02 * wizzyrea` gets petty for a moment 03:02 Brooke doesn't she make you want to be ginger. 03:02 wizzyrea` *nod* 03:03 wizzyrea` ginger + curly 03:03 Brooke I think it's illegal to boat and not be good looking. 03:04 Brooke right meant to be healing 03:12 Brooke ugh here come da puggers. 03:13 wizzyrea` uh oh 03:13 Brooke I don't know if that's worse than vent that's going to make me wake up the neighbours with raucous belly laughter, though. 03:22 Brooke pffft., cloth 03:52 Space_Librarian wizzyrea ++ for awesome musical taste 03:53 wizzyrea` ^.^ 03:53 wizzyrea` there's another song I'm looking for, but I can't remember either the name or the artist, but I can hear it in my head it's SO ANNOYING 03:53 Space_Librarian google a line from the song. 03:53 wizzyrea` not the song, but the fact that I can't remember who or what it is 03:54 wizzyrea` that's just it, I can only think of the music! 03:54 Space_Librarian d'oh 03:55 ibeardslee hmm it 03:55 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrUOlK2714 03:55 rangi im pretty sure thats it 03:55 ibeardslee there are a bunch if android and iphone apps that can have a good go at working out what the song is 03:56 wizzyrea` this isn't it but it's a good one 03:56 Space_Librarian yes it is... 03:57 wizzyrea` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUpxch4F8M 03:58 rangi emi hate nz 03:58 rangi thats alright, cos i hate them 03:58 wizzyrea` oh bother. 03:58 wizzyrea` lol 04:00 ibeardslee mutter 04:00 wizzyrea` ibeardslee: that's true, but I'm not sure my humming is up to scratch for that 04:01 ibeardslee doesn't even saying what it was, so that we could search for an alternate version 04:01 wizzyrea` un mo 04:01 wizzyrea` http://grooveshark.com/s/Breathe/2xgh4F?src=5 04:02 rangi 404 error 04:02 wizzyrea` seriously! 04:02 ibeardslee Ahh 404 Error by Page not found 04:02 wizzyrea` hrmph. 04:03 wizzyrea` oh that's just annoying 04:03 ibeardslee yeap 04:04 wizzyrea` works from here those jerks. 04:07 ibeardslee some songs play from there 04:07 wizzyrea` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siIDzHLEwfg 04:08 Brooke 0/ 04:08 wizzyrea` hi joann :) 04:08 Space_Librarian wizzyrea`: I know this one. :) 04:08 joann Liz 04:08 joann :) 04:15 rangi we need to get jo using a real irc client again 04:15 eythian irssi? 04:16 rangi anything other than mibbit :) 04:16 rangi they used to use xchat back in the day 04:16 joann it does seem to drop us off a lot 04:17 Brooke love em and leave em 04:17 rangi i think oleonard uses chatzilla and likes it 04:17 Brooke I use colloquy but with identify it isn't happy 04:17 joann (how do i poke a tongue out?) 04:17 Brooke use a taiaha 04:18 joann have to disconnect again i think 04:18 rangi tewhatewha if you want to poke things 04:18 joann i meant with keystrokes 04:18 ibeardslee :P 04:19 joann like that 04:19 joann ;) 04:19 joann i can wink 04:19 ibeardslee ':' and a 'P' 04:19 joann and look sad or happy 04:19 joann "P 04:19 joann .P 04:19 joann .p 04:19 joann '.'p 04:19 joann lol 04:19 ibeardslee : 04:19 joann :p 04:20 joann yay! 04:20 joann just learnt summat! 04:20 joann not an entirely ewasyed day 04:20 joann perhaps a few rounds of russian roulette with the bot to finish off the day 04:20 rangi has someone rearranged all your keys? 04:20 rangi :) 04:20 joann ewasyed = wasted :p 04:20 Brooke she's using a french keyboard ;) 04:21 joann i think when my batteries get low the wireless keyboard just piks letters at random 04:21 Brooke mm hmm 04:21 Brooke tell it to the judge, lady. 04:22 joann so clever people in the know: 04:22 joann the south american RFID - Koha talk at kudos 04:22 joann how 'good' is the rfid-koha? 04:23 * Brooke will say naught on the subject and goes to mutter in the corner. 04:23 * Space_Librarian laughs 04:24 rangi i think wizzyrea` is the only one here who was the talk 04:24 joann nuff said then 04:24 rangi oh if druthb is still around 04:24 rangi the rest of us werent there, so have no idea 04:24 joann wizzyrea: any thoughts on the ecuador RFID 04:24 wizzyrea` Oh, yes 04:25 wizzyrea` what was the question? I dropped out for a mo 04:25 * druthb just got back, sort of. 04:25 rangi the ecuador rfid talk 04:25 joann just hoe 'good' do you think the koha 3.x - rfid is 04:25 rangi anything good/useful 04:25 eythian they've all gone quiet... 04:25 wizzyrea` oh, I think it works well - 04:25 rangi the thing to remember is, rfid is nothign to do with ils 04:25 joann coz that may well be rangi's next mission if he chooses to accept it 04:26 wizzyrea` ^^ 04:26 rangi its actually sip2 04:26 wizzyrea` ^^^^^ 04:26 wizzyrea` that 04:26 rangi rfid is just reading stuff off chips 04:26 joann yep - and they have got that working smoothlythen? 04:26 rangi its what the machine then does with it that matters 04:26 wizzyrea` well I have a RFID library 04:26 wizzyrea` 3M 04:26 rangi and thats got nothing to do with RFID 04:26 joann bywater posted somewhere about payments and sip2 as well 04:26 wizzyrea` and yes, with a few very minor issues it works well with the self check and smart chute machiens 04:26 rangi thats an enhancement proposal, code doesnt exist yet 04:26 druthb bit of a language barrier, but it looked to me like they had put together a pretty cool way to not spend a gazillion dollars setting things up. 04:27 joann and that too, will be on chris's to do list once the new budget comes in 04:27 wizzyrea` yea, it looked to me like they set up with off the shelf RFID readers 04:27 joann which is very tempting. 04:27 rangi all the problems ive seen with rfid 04:27 wizzyrea` and used ILSDI to interconnect everything... is that right? 04:27 rangi is nothing to do with rfid 04:28 rangi its with some stupid proprietary software getting in the way 04:28 rangi between the rfid reader and the ils 04:28 wizzyrea` one thing that I did like about their setup 04:28 wizzyrea` they hid the security gates with lovely wood 04:28 rangi if you can make sure you dont have that stupidity, everything is easier 04:28 rangi that was the problem albany high school ran into 04:28 joann so maybe we should not go with a vendor just do it ourselves chris 04:28 druthb that's what I understood, yes, wizzyrea` 04:28 joann albany with 3M? 04:28 wizzyrea` *nod* same experience here, though the 3M software is pretty straightforward 04:29 joann i did like techlogic better than 3M 04:29 wizzyrea` we've had very few real issues with Koha (more with not-koha) 04:29 rangi or a vendor that doesnt require you to stick a windows machine anywhere in the mix 04:29 rangi soon as you do that, theres a big point of fail right away 04:30 joann nods 04:30 rangi if you can get an rfid reader 04:30 rangi that acts exactly like a barcode reader 04:30 joann wizzyrea: you reckon you could get the ecuador paper / slides? 04:30 wizzyrea` (in truth, the reader ... dangit!) 04:30 rangi ie a standard input device 04:30 wizzyrea` i'm too slow! 04:30 wizzyrea` lol 04:30 rangi then you are gravy 04:30 wizzyrea` I have them now I think, lemme look and I'll send em to ya 04:31 wizzyrea` which email addy? 04:31 wizzyrea` nm you're in my address book. Clever addressbook. 04:32 joann they all come to gmail so any one will be fine 04:32 wizzyrea` sent 04:32 wizzyrea` 4MB ppt tho 04:33 joann its not here yet - but that should get through ok 04:33 joann thanks for that 04:33 wizzyrea` sure 04:33 rangi joann: techlogic seemed ok 04:34 wizzyrea` 3M is ghastly expensive, imo 04:34 rangi but the trick is like i say, you want something that can talk straight to the ils, we dont want to have to run through some middle obfustication layer 04:34 joann yeah - thats what i liked abouttechlogic 04:34 joann its arrived ! 04:34 wizzyrea` :D yay! 04:34 * Brooke hopes it's in espanol 04:34 rangi get them to sign on the dotted line saying it will work with linux, with no proprietary software needed 04:34 rangi and you are all good 04:35 rangi :) 04:35 * Space_Librarian likes this idea 04:35 * wizzyrea` idly wonders if you'd still need a proprietary-ish device driver 04:35 joann can't open it though ... 04:36 joann what is a .rar file? 04:36 wizzyrea` it's a rar, you'd need winrar. let me see what I can do about that 04:36 wizzyrea` gimme a min 04:36 rangi you wouldnt need it 04:36 rangi they might force you to have it anyway tho 04:36 joann i sent it to you too chris 04:36 rangi joann: i doubt catalyst wants to get into the hardware game 04:37 joann true 04:37 joann i'll download winrar liz - dont worry 04:37 rangi or want to support custom made rfid solution .. but we would be happy to go, 'that wont work' 04:37 rangi or 'that will work' 04:37 wizzyrea` k, lmk if you have trouble, cuz I'm going ahead and unrar then zipping it 04:38 rangi and set up koha to talk to the system you get 04:38 rangi remember jack from kapiti? 04:38 rangi dont do that 04:38 joann no - i've got it open now 04:39 wizzyrea` cool 04:39 eythian wizzyrea`: why zip it at all? 04:40 rangi if its powerpoint its probably 83934239234 gb unzipped 04:41 wizzyrea` nah, it's got 3 files 04:41 eythian ah 04:41 wizzyrea` a video and a ppt 04:41 wizzyrea` and a 3rd unidentified something or other 04:41 rangi virus 04:41 rangi :) 04:41 wizzyrea` well it's pptx, so yea, that's not far from the truth 04:41 joann i've looked atthe powerpoint and didn't self destruct 04:41 wizzyrea` :) 04:42 joann ok - i can only 'see' the powerpoint but if you unzip and send me the paper i would appreciate that 04:43 eythian I love how every time someone sends me data, they tweak the export options to make it different in some subtle way. 04:44 wizzyrea` that was one of the tenets of Ruth's presentation 04:44 wizzyrea` "write down how you did it, and do it that way for every extract" 04:44 Space_Librarian which looked good - I've read the slides and notes. 04:44 eythian where are they available? 04:44 wizzyrea` it was very good 04:44 Space_Librarian should be on Ruth's blog now? 04:45 eythian where is that? 04:45 wahanui i heard that was too complicated 04:45 Space_Librarian http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/downloads/ 04:45 Brooke yeah clearly Ruth's preso was the best. 04:46 eythian cool ta 04:46 * druthb hides. 04:46 wizzyrea` dunno, galen's was pretty awesome too -- who else do you know that can make cataloging compelling 04:46 Brooke can't hide til August 04:46 Brooke I know where you live, theoretically. 04:46 Space_Librarian he made cataloguing compelling?! This I *need* to see... 04:47 wizzyrea` and ian's git preso was pretty great 04:47 joann i played with prezi once and i am nowhere near creative enough to use it (sadly) 04:47 joann i saw ina's git one 04:47 joann ian's 04:47 Brooke cataloguing is always compelling 04:48 Space_Librarian well... 04:48 Brooke surely you must be compelled to do it 04:48 * wizzyrea` stares slantily at Brooke 04:48 Space_Librarian with whips driving you, yes. 04:48 wizzyrea` s/compelling/interesting 04:48 Brooke not my fault they chained me to a desk and made me do spanish cataloguing against me will. 04:48 wizzyrea` haha 04:48 Brooke I wasn't even paid! 04:48 * Brooke cries from PTSD 04:49 Space_Librarian it didn't kill you, so ergo, it made you stronger... 04:49 Space_Librarian with razor sharp wit... 04:49 Space_Librarian ;) 04:49 Brooke nope, that's the fencing 04:49 Space_Librarian lol. 04:49 Brooke I keep tellin' meself I'm not meant to trash talk in fencing 04:51 Brooke I *lead* Dave at one point. 04:51 Brooke People were shocked. 04:53 Brooke then I skivved off tonight 04:53 Brooke coz I'm lazay 04:54 eythian druthb: interesting differences there compared to how I do it, although nothing too fundamental. 04:55 eythian Mostly, I refuse to touch spreadsheets except as viewers, and I try to get all incoming data as close to CSV as they can get it and then use a handful of scripts to chop everything up and import into Koha/produce MARC. 04:56 Brooke dahmer scripts? 04:57 wizzyrea` koha = the freezer where you keep the preserved head of your library data? 04:57 druthb eythian: Much as I flatly refuse to use MARCEdit except as a viewer, really. 04:57 wizzyrea` that may be the most gruesome metaphor ever for koha 04:57 eythian druthb: pretty much. I refuse to use that because it's not free software :) 04:57 rangi eythian++ 04:58 eythian (and also I don't really need it) 04:58 * Brooke blames it on raiding late at night instead of sleeping. 05:00 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/35 <-- that's what my migration scripts end up looking like. 05:01 Space_Librarian Brooke: raiding? 05:01 Brooke a yep 05:01 Brooke Omnotron 05:01 Space_Librarian you don't. 05:01 * Brooke needs click shiny cds more often. 05:02 Space_Librarian really? 05:02 Space_Librarian why? 05:02 Brooke as featured on wow.com babe. 05:02 Brooke because it is obtusely good for adminughstrative skillz/ 05:03 Brooke it is freggin fascinating for group dynamics. 05:03 wizzyrea` i actually completely agree with that sentiment 05:03 Brooke and if I wasn't such a jackarse, my data would be anonymised. 05:03 Brooke but RealID is kinda spoiling that, but I could still get round it with permission and such. 05:03 Space_Librarian lol. 05:03 wizzyrea` I learned more about people being an officer in a raiding guild than I have at any other point (well, until I was involved in the koha community, that is) 05:03 Space_Librarian Suddenly, your KOhaCon abstract makes so much more sense... 05:04 * Space_Librarian is slightly more old school than wow. 05:04 joann druthb great presntation 05:04 joann makes me miss IT work really .... 05:04 rangi youre all newbies, when i was young we had to bang rocks together to make electricity to play pong 05:05 Brooke now you see here 05:05 Brooke back in the day 05:05 Brooke I was on the TAMU mud 05:05 Brooke when dinosaurs and gal trader roamed the earth 05:05 joann a lot (actually) ... rather wrangle data than people anyday 05:05 Brooke GET OFF THE LAWN! 05:05 wizzyrea` oh lawd. 05:05 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo <-- I'm just going to leave this here to prevent it spiraling down 05:05 Space_Librarian what have we done? 05:06 Space_Librarian eythian ++ 05:06 joann i'm off home to cook yummy dinner for neighbours whose husband/dad died last night 05:06 wizzyrea` nerd oneupmanship 05:06 joann night all 05:06 Brooke night night 05:06 Space_Librarian bye Jo 05:06 druthb thanx, joann! g'night. 05:06 eythian bye joann 05:06 wizzyrea` gnite joann 05:08 Brooke nerdoneupmanship is gs based. 05:08 wizzyrea` more properly: NERD FIGHT! 05:10 Space_Librarian I have already won... 05:10 Space_Librarian so I'll let you fight it out for second. :p 05:11 wizzyrea` skip to 9s in this vid http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/10/102606.html 05:11 rangi ok home time 05:11 * rangi wanders off 05:11 Brooke ciap 05:11 Brooke ciao even 05:11 wizzyrea` latah 05:12 Space_Librarian adios 05:13 druthb Koha_chicks_taking_over_#koha++ 05:14 Space_Librarian :D 05:14 Space_Librarian We need t-shirts. srsly. 05:14 druthb yis. 05:16 wizzyrea` ha HAH 05:33 * druthb heads to bed. 05:41 Brooke I'm considering writing a paper for First Monday on gender in Koha 05:42 Space_Librarian sounds interesting. 05:46 cait good morning #koha 05:46 Space_Librarian morning cait 05:51 cait hi Space_Librarian 05:51 cait :) 05:51 * Space_Librarian waves 05:56 cait bug 6302 is weird 05:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set 05:57 cait we started sending overdues for one of our libraries this week, 3.2.2. And the librarian told me happily that her coworker had received the notice just as planned 05:58 cait hm 06:06 * Space_Librarian preapres to wander off and pack for a conference in soggy Waitomo... 06:16 Brooke bid! 06:32 AmitG heya all 06:32 AmitG heya chris 06:34 cait hi Broke and AmitG 06:34 alex_a hi #koha 06:34 AmitG heya cait 06:34 cait hi alex_a 07:06 rangi @later tell kf yes i think the person has misunderstood it doesnt need a to address, the process message queue script does that 07:06 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 07:16 kf hi #koha 07:32 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:32 kmkale Namaskar #koha 07:34 magnuse namaskar kmkale 07:53 kf namaskar kmkale and god morgen magnuse 07:54 kmkale Namaste kf 07:54 kmkale Namaste magnuse 07:56 magnuse god dag kf and kmkale ;-) 07:57 kmkale magnuse: kf said god morgen and you said god dag. Whats the difference? 07:57 magnuse kmkale: god morgen = good morning, god dag = "good day" (it can be used any time of the day) 07:57 kf I think god dag is later? 07:58 kmkale aahh. Thanks 07:59 magnuse yeah, it's sort of ambiguous - "dag" sort of comes after "morgen", but at the same time it can mean a whole day, not just the middle of it (i think) 08:03 eythian Weltrusten, #koha :) 08:03 magnuse um, hi eythian 08:03 magnuse dutch? 08:04 eythian yeah, means 'good night'. Because I'm off :) 08:04 magnuse ah, have a good night, then! 08:04 eythian well, it would mean that if I'd spelt it right, anyway 'welterusten' 08:05 eythian later 09:09 slef @later tell SpaceLibrarian England is part of Europe (the UK too, but I don't really agree with us being part of that ;-) ) 09:09 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 10:25 AmitG @later 10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 10:25 AmitG @wounder New Delhi 10:25 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 10:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 10:29 druthb o/ 10:34 magnuse \o 10:34 magnuse @wunder boo 10:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:35 magnuse @wunder new delhi 10:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (3:30 PM IST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 10:35 * magnuse puts on an extra shirt and wanders off in search of lunch 10:37 druthb @wunder 20852 10:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 6.6�C (6:39 AM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising). 10:42 kf_mtg @wunder boo 10:42 huginn kf_mtg: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:20 PM CEST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 10:47 * druthb waves to Irma 10:58 AmitG heya druthb 11:05 druthb hi, AmitG! :) 11:52 conan hi everysoul 12:00 jwagner Hi conan 12:05 magnuse fmarier++ # for those awesome avatars (too bad comments are probably not used a lot in most OPACs...) 12:07 gmcharlt @quote random 12:07 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010) 12:09 slef awesome avatars? 12:10 * oleonard puts on his 3D glasses 12:10 magnuse slef: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6298 12:10 huginn 04Bug 6298: enhancement, P5, ---, fmarier, ASSIGNED , Profile pictures in the OPAC next to review authors 12:13 slef I was just thinking maybe koha should use http://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/images/ if it doesn't already, but hesitating because of the terms of use. Good to see that's in there, even using a freer service as first preference. 12:13 magnuse yay 12:30 kf oleonard++ 12:35 oleonard Thanks kf, what was that for? 12:43 tcohen hi oleonard 12:45 tcohen are there any works on having a mobile-oriented UI? 12:46 oleonard Many people have expressed their desire for one but so far no one has done it 12:47 * oleonard sees that once again koha.org lists a months-out-of-date Koha download 12:47 oleonard PTFS-- 12:52 oleonard I see a question about 'browse shelf' on the mailing list, and it raises a question: If you have all three "ShelfBrowserUses*" prefs on, does it limit to a unique combination of all three? 12:53 kf for fixing that duplicate bug so fast :) 12:53 oleonard kf: I spent a while trying to fix that bug (without success) so I remembered it! 12:53 kf oleonard: it's probably the known bug - I answered it 12:54 kf yes, I tried to fix it too 12:54 kf 2 hours... 12:54 kf until I gave up 12:54 kf I see no reason for it not working :( 12:54 oleonard It's probably a fix rangi will spot immediately if he takes a look 12:57 * oleonard is starting to think the same thing about Bug 6306 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6306 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , It is not possible edit news 13:13 kf oleonard: yep, I asked him, but he probably found no time for it yet 13:14 kf and he dislikes the guided reports... 13:14 kf we talked about deprecating them (which would also solve the bug ;) ) 13:14 oleonard Bad memories. 13:15 kf perhaps 13:18 nengard is it my imagination or did the subscription page in the OPAC used to have a JS table sorter on it? 13:18 oleonard The table of issues? 13:19 nengard yes 13:19 nengard the full detail page 13:20 nengard url: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?biblionumber=4038 13:20 nengard or i should say : cgi-bin/koha/opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full&biblionumber=4038 13:20 nengard which is what i have as the default 13:20 oleonard Not unless someone deliberately took it out 13:20 oleonard Not even an ID on the table. 13:20 nengard k 13:21 nengard it was my imagination :) gonna put an enhancement in there ;) 13:21 kf today is enh day :) 13:21 kf magnuse has been busy too 13:23 nengard yesterday i exported my librarything collection and imported it to koha!! :) 13:23 nengard now my test system has my real library 13:23 oleonard Does it export items too? 13:23 nengard no 13:23 nengard I had a few steps: 13:23 nengard 1. export from LT 13:24 nengard 2. import to koha 13:24 nengard 3. export from koha 13:24 nengard 4. open in marcedit 13:24 nengard 5. add items 13:24 nengard 6. clean original koha import 13:24 nengard 7. rebuild zebra 13:24 nengard 8. import marc file with items to koha 13:24 nengard The reason I did it that way was cause the LT file wouldn't open in marcedit cause of errors in the file that koha just ignored :) 13:25 kf cool! 13:25 magnuse nengard: what format did you export from LT? 13:25 nengard I used the 001 as my barcode (since it's a fake system) and the 050ab as my call number 13:25 kf can you put that on the wiki somewhere? 13:25 kf I would love to try that sometim 13:25 nengard magnus the first one ... fuzzy i think 13:25 nengard kf sure can 13:25 kf is there a trick to add a lot of items at once? 13:25 kf wit marcedit? 13:25 nengard it's easy peasy 13:25 nengard you do add field and add a 952 with you $a, $b, $2, $y 13:26 magnuse having that on the wiki would be super cool! 13:26 nengard and then you can do swap field data to pull the call number and barcode 13:26 nengard I'll gladly share 13:26 nengard it was a bit frustrating, so I'd love to help you all :) hehe 13:26 magnuse nengard++ 13:27 nengard of course this only works for a not real library - otherwise you have to go in and add real barcodes to all of the items 13:28 kf nengard++ 13:28 * kf has her books in libarything too 13:28 * magnuse too 13:29 magnuse and i'm toying with the idea of offering free koha installations for personal use to nordic library people... 13:29 nengard magnuse LT only exports in USMARC right now - fyi 13:29 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Importing_MARC_from_LibraryThing_to_Koha 13:30 nengard will beef it up as I have time ;) 13:30 magnuse ah yes, but usmarc is probably similar to marc21 (which is similar to normarc)? 13:30 magnuse yay! 13:30 nengard :) 13:34 magnuse i will definitely have a go at that and add anything i figure out along the way to the page 13:34 gmcharlt magnuse: usmarc *is* marc21 13:35 gmcharlt or more precisely, usmarc merged with CANMARC and UKMARC to become MARC21 13:35 magnuse thanks gmcharlt, thats just about what i thought 13:35 * magnuse can't wait to get rid of *all* of them ;-) 13:35 oleonard Known as MARC21 in the US so that everyone knows it's old enough to drink. 13:36 gmcharlt oleonard: drink, Owen, drink - how else do you think standards like MARC21 get developed? 13:36 gmcharlt ;) 13:36 * gmcharlt needs more coffee 13:36 gmcharlt you had said that, of course 13:36 gmcharlt oy 13:38 * kf sends gmcharlt some espresso 13:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309> 13:38 * kf stares on her todo list 13:38 kf I have a red entry called feedback report 13:38 kf and I have no idea what it means 13:39 kf must be a monday in costume of a thursday 13:39 * oleonard wonder's what Monday's outfit looks like 13:41 * oleonard assumes it wears some kind of scary hat 13:42 * magnuse thinks monday has a wardrobe full of scary outfits... 13:44 kf hehe 13:44 * chris_n agrees with that! 13:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5876] New permission for overdues report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5876> 13:51 magnuse sorry kf, i have no idea what a feedback report is... but it sure sounds useful! ;-) 13:51 magnuse bonjour hdl 13:51 f3ew Is there a way to dumb down the Koha interface a lot? 13:52 f3ew The use case in this case is a corporate in-house library, without the need for MARC or book sizes 13:52 hdl hi magnuse 13:52 f3ew and a very part time librarian 13:53 wizzyrea yep, you can use a very simple framework 13:53 wizzyrea with only the fields you need 13:55 gmcharlt f3ew: in particular, the fast-add framework is a good starting point for a simple one to use 13:57 * f3ew googles 13:58 jwagner f3ew, you can also remove some of the clutter from staff logins by using granular permissions and not assigning permissions for modules your staff don't need. For example, if you aren't using acquisitions or serials, no need to have those modules visible. 13:58 magnuse f3ew: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_fastadd_framework.sql;hb=HEAD 13:59 f3ew jwagner, more of a need "ISBN, Book title, Author, quantity, date of purchase, price" and nothing else 13:59 nengard oleonard++ 13:59 jwagner Yes, that would be the framework setup, then. I was just suggesting other areas to simplify. 14:07 magnuse oleonard++ # 21 minutes from mention of missing tablesorter to patch ;-) 14:07 oleonard Low-hanging fruit :) 14:08 magnuse nevertheless... 14:15 kf oleonard++ 14:15 magnuse nengard++ # for signing off 14:16 nengard :) 14:16 kf nengard++ 14:16 kf lots of reasons for karma 14:18 nengard aww shucks 14:18 nengard :) 14:47 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6311] end_patron_session always reports a non-existent error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6311> 15:01 * oleonard does not understand the discussion on Bug 5872 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation management 15:01 oleonard What's all this about submodules? 15:02 magnus_away oleonard: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html 15:02 magnus_away "Submodules allow foreign repositories to be embedded within a dedicated subdirectory of the source tree, always pointed at a particular commit." 15:04 magnus_away ? 15:04 * magnus_away is really away now 15:06 gmcharlt oleonard: well, upshot of the discussion on that bug is that *requiring* use of a git submodule would make Koha difficult to package again 15:07 gmcharlt IOW, it really needs to be based on a packaged version of jeditable, or at least a version we can stick in the Koha tree and release that way, not on a link to a git repository 15:07 wizzyrea man, i don't wanna go there. we should not go backwards 15:07 gmcharlt i.e., the discussion (or argument) is about what needs to happen to make that dependency packageable 15:07 wizzyrea packaging should be getting easier, not harder. 15:11 gmcharlt also, would need a look 15:12 gmcharlt jeditable has not been receiving much in the way of updates for the past couple years 15:12 gmcharlt so that either means that it's generic enough that it's "done" 15:12 gmcharlt or that it's not particularly active 15:12 gmcharlt either way, we'd want to make sure that we're not locking ourselves into an old version of jQuery by using it 15:16 kf gmcharlt: you should add that to the bug I think 15:17 oleonard In Jeditable's favor, the author still responds to comments on his site. there was a commit in January, although a minor one. 15:17 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I'm not dismissing jeditable out of hand, and it has a good rating 15:17 wizzyrea ok, is it J editable or Jedi Table? Because if it's Jedi Table, then by default it should go in on pure awesome alone. (I kid) 15:18 gmcharlt but (from my POV), without having actually looked at it yet, dunno if it's being maintained enough to not break when we want to adopt jQuery 1.5+ 15:18 paul_p Jedi Table ? DarkVador chair ? :D 15:18 wizzyrea :D 15:19 gmcharlt do the table legs double as light sabers? 15:20 wizzyrea jedi table is suspended by the force alone 15:20 oleonard Don't be silly, you can plainly see the Jedi don't use a table: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/gambia/106/councilxxx.jpg 15:20 wizzyrea rofl 15:20 wizzyrea they are also not eating there ^.^ 15:21 oleonard Yeah, we never got to see the Jedi cafeteria 15:21 * wizzyrea imagines Yoda eating a sandwich and reading the paper, giggles 15:22 wizzyrea mmm tasty you are! 15:22 gmcharlt coffee too cold? bit of Force lightning to the rescue 15:23 wizzyrea hehehe 15:24 wizzyrea sorry, I didn't mean to derail that conversation, back to srs business 15:25 wizzyrea jedi table, we should find out if it's gonna lock us into a specific version of jquery 15:25 slef SRS are not a good registrar :) 15:27 oleonard slef: When will you know the results of the AV referendum? 15:29 oleonard Does anyone know under what circumstances Bug 6081 can be seen in action? 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6081 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do not show "not for loan" description if false 15:31 slef oleonard: I think they don't start counting for about 24h from now. 15:31 * oleonard imagines it will be a cold day in hell before the US passes anything like that 15:33 rhcl_away What's the breakout or amplifying data for "AV referendum"? 15:34 rhcl perhaps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011 15:44 Oak \o 15:44 wizzyrea o/ 15:44 Oak \o/ 15:45 wizzyrea <o/ 15:45 Oak \o> 15:45 Oak who will do the titanic? 15:45 wizzyrea /o\ 15:46 slef rhcl: http://www.n-somerset.gov.uk/voting is our local. Yay lack of standardisation ;-) 15:46 Oak __8__ <-- Titanic 15:46 oleonard ? 15:47 Oak ! 15:51 coryj Another 1/2 pot of coffee and I'll be coherent. 15:51 jwagner oleonard, the bug report you referred to on the listserv is Bug 5199, correct? 15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table 15:52 oleonard Yes 15:52 jwagner OK, thanks. I hadn't seen that one fly by.... 15:52 oleonard It's been a bug in Koha forever 15:53 nengard would love to see that one fixed 15:53 slef random question: why is it OPAC username on the Edit Patron screen when it works on the librarian interface? 15:53 nengard no clue 15:53 nengard it's very confusing to librarians 15:53 nengard I'm a-ok with changing it to just 'username' 15:54 slef [off] not that it's a bug I'm going to deal with today. Some of you now know why I've been quiet, why I'm drowning in crap and why I've been dealing with username/password edits enough to notice that. 15:59 nengard slef, i'm going to report a enh request for that, to see if anyone has any objections - it's something I can easily fix if everyone wants it fixed 15:59 slef nengard: thanks! 16:01 nengard looking for feedback on bug 6312 before i make code changes 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6312 enhancement, P5, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , login/password shouldn't be labeled as 'opac' 16:06 gmcharlt nengard: agree that a more generic name for the username field makes sense 16:06 nengard good stuff 16:08 Oak have not heard many people say 'good stuff' :) 16:08 Oak good stuff! 16:11 adnc_ hi koha 16:13 mib_2swanq hi koha community :) 16:14 mib_2swanq I have one little question about koha and marc frameworks. 16:14 Oak we only entertain big questions here 16:14 nengard got me two +1 so I'll write up that patch now 16:15 mib_2swanq it can be big depending on your answer :P 16:16 mib_2swanq i've created one subfield 942$n - Suppress to suppress some records from OPAC 16:17 mib_2swanq the records with 0 appears in the OPAC, with 1 don't appear 16:17 mib_2swanq the Zebra indexation works fine 16:18 mib_2swanq the omission value is 1 (after creation the records doesn't appear in OPAC) 16:20 mib_2swanq now I wanted to omit the subfield in the default model, so I've changed the value of the managed tab to ignored 16:20 mib_2swanq but with that change the records are created with no 942$n subfield filled 16:21 mib_2swanq my doubt is how to omit the 942$n subfield from default model and it be filled by omission with value 1? 16:24 mib_2swanq no one? 16:24 wahanui it has been said that no one is denying that biblibre is doing good work here - it just seems odd to me that one of the biggest companies should introduce new "things" that break old "things" that a lot of people still want... 16:24 slef sorry 16:24 slef I'm a bit busy today. 16:25 nengard slef, patch written to solve your issue :) 16:25 wizzyrea wahanui: forget no one 16:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot no one 16:25 slef mib_2swanq: I'm doing this without looking, but don't you want hidden rather than ignored? 16:25 * slef looks it up 16:26 mib_2swanq i've tried all types of hidden (-9...9) but by some reason after creation the subfield appears in the record edition 16:27 mib_2swanq bu i can try again 16:27 slef ah yeah, the problem is defaulting to 1 16:28 slef grml 16:28 mib_2swanq grml? 16:28 slef like grumble but quicker 16:29 slef I'm not a librarian and definitely not a cataloguer and dislike being reminded of my inadequacy ;-) 16:29 slef so what are you putting for Managed in tab, Default value and Hidden? 16:31 mib_2swanq now i'm trying 9 (managed in tab), 1 default value, hidden -5... 16:31 mib_2swanq I my problem is solved looool 16:32 slef anyway, I've got to go vote. Let's see if nengard or wizzyrea understand this <vbg> 16:32 slef nengard++ for the username patch 16:33 joetho voting, by God (?) 16:33 mib_2swanq thanks slef anyway :) 16:42 coryj gmcharlt: zebra_rebuild.pl -x still appears to include "&" in the indexes if there is an & in the title. 16:43 coryj I'm just going to ignore that for now and assume nobody will be doing a title search for "amp" 17:10 mib_2swanq what does this system preference ReservesNeedReturns ? 17:21 oleonard mib_2swanq: If turned on, it means that items will not be marked as "waiting" until you check them in 17:28 mib_2swanq so it's better to turn it on if i want to put one reserve on problematic after 2 days 17:29 mib_2swanq after check in... 17:29 oleonard mib_2swanq: Are you referring to the holds awaiting pickup report? 17:31 mib_2swanq what i need to have: if a item is checked out the others patrons can reserve it, after checked in the patron in first on the queue have 2 days to get the book 17:32 oleonard mib_2swanq: The ReservesNeedReturns is unrelated to your requirement I think 17:32 oleonard See ReservesMaxPickUpDelay instead 17:32 oleonard That should be set to 2 17:33 oleonard And I believe there is a cron job that needs to run in order to automatically cancel holds 17:33 mib_2swanq yes... I have the cronjob and the system preference set to 2 17:33 mib_2swanq it's all i need 17:33 mib_2swanq ? 17:34 oleonard I think so 17:34 mib_2swanq ok thanks... 17:34 mib_2swanq :) 17:37 mib_2swanq but i'm having a problem that after a item is check in the patron in first place on queue is not receiving the email saying that the hold is filled 17:39 oleonard mib_2swanq: If you go to /cgi-bin/koha/members/notices.pl?borrowernumber=XX can you see notices queued for the patron? 17:40 mib_2swanq yes... check in and checked out notices are being sent 17:43 mib_2swanq i think that i'm closing to the problem.... when using the returns.pl in the circulation menu i think that the email is sent 17:44 mib_2swanq in the tab check out of patrons when check in the items the email isn't sent 17:44 oleonard mib_2swanq: That's not surprising, that function is buggy 17:45 oleonard I recommend not using it. 17:45 mib_2swanq which function? 17:45 mib_2swanq 2 option? 17:45 oleonard Checking in items from the list of checkouts on the circulation or patron detail screen 17:46 oleonard Bug 3514 17:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions 17:47 mib_2swanq hummm ok... but I can see that there is a patch... 17:48 oleonard A very minor patch which doesn't do that much to fix the problem 17:48 oleonard (and I say that as the patch author) 17:50 mib_2swanq this is a problem, because the library is using the patron detail page for check in and i need to trigger the holds 17:50 oleonard You can't, not unless you fix that bug. 17:50 oleonard You have to use returns.pl 17:53 mib_2swanq :/ if the renewscript.pl and return.pl shoudn't be that different 17:53 cait hi all 17:54 mib_2swanq i have to fix the bug by some way.... there is only thing that's is not correctly working in my system 17:55 oleonard mib_2swanq, you will be cheered by all if you can fix it. 17:56 mib_2swanq i'll look to it tomorrow... now it's time to go home and watch Braga-Benfica (yes i'm portuguese :)) 17:59 mib_2swanq thanks for all the help oleanard 17:59 mib_2swanq *oleonard 18:07 * coryj shakes his fist at NickServ. "Darn bots!" 18:10 wizzyrea ah question re: framework export 18:11 wizzyrea when you export, does it bring with it any associated authvalues definitions? 18:11 wizzyrea or even tell you what they are, so that you can replicate on the new system? 18:12 oleonard Hmm.... What are the chances that it does? 18:13 wizzyrea probably close to zero :P 18:14 rhcl wizzyrea: one of my librarians asked me if there was a koha-specific smart app that apparently some library ILSs have. Something that is designed to connect to an OPAC but specifically designed for a hand-held device. Know of anything like this? 18:14 wizzyrea yep 18:14 wizzyrea a few actually 18:14 rhcl I'm all ears 18:14 wizzyrea kiritiaki koha for android 18:14 wizzyrea libraryanywhere for iphone/android 18:14 wizzyrea I am sure I didn't spell that right let me go find the right spelling 18:15 rhcl well. Thanks for the info. 18:15 wizzyrea oh, no I didn't! 18:15 wizzyrea http://www.appbrain.com/app/kiritaki-koha-(beta)/nz.net.catalyst.KiritakiKoha 18:15 wizzyrea oh, wait, yes I did 18:15 wizzyrea kiritaki koha 18:15 wizzyrea libanywhere also works with blackberry 18:16 wizzyrea libanywhere is a service, though 18:16 wizzyrea hey LSG 18:16 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea 18:16 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 18:16 wizzyrea whahanui: shh 18:16 library_systems_guy long time no see 18:16 wizzyrea ^.^ busy week :) 18:16 library_systems_guy indeed 18:16 library_systems_guy finals next week 18:16 library_systems_guy lots of studying 18:18 wizzyrea *nod* 18:18 library_systems_guy is nengard around anywhere? 18:18 nengard she might be 18:18 nengard let me go look for her 18:19 library_systems_guy lol nengard :) 18:19 nengard hiya! 18:19 nengard I so don't miss having finals 18:19 nengard what's up? 18:19 library_systems_guy i won't...in a year 18:19 library_systems_guy anyway 18:20 library_systems_guy remember that ticket you submitted about the shelf browser not working in 3.4 18:20 library_systems_guy today was my first chance to do an upgrade since then 18:20 library_systems_guy and Margo just informed me that it still wasn't working 18:21 nengard is it a diff problem or the same? I forget if that patch was pushed 18:21 nengard any chance you remember the bug number? 18:21 library_systems_guy blargh...no cleaned out my inbox 18:21 library_systems_guy let me check with margo 18:22 library_systems_guy bug 6263 18:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, shelf browser doesn't work in 3.4 18:23 oleonard library_systems_guy: Have you updated since the patch was pushed? The shelf browser appeared to be working fine for me today 18:23 library_systems_guy i just did 18:23 druthb o/ 18:24 oleonard How is it failing? 18:24 library_systems_guy oh wait 18:24 library_systems_guy i did a git fetch and pulled patches 18:24 library_systems_guy but i just did a git pull and got a bunch more stuff 18:25 nengard also remember the rebase part 18:26 library_systems_guy true...bah 18:27 library_systems_guy maybe i should change my name to forgetful_library_systems_guy 18:27 druthb lol 18:28 rhcl wizzyrea: we need a quarterly MOKAN region KUDOS meeting/social event 18:28 oleonard Be fair, library_systems_guy_who_forgot_that_one_time_but_who_will_remember_now 18:28 library_systems_guy oh oleonard...you got me 18:28 joetho MOKANOK 18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109 18:29 bg_ @wunder 93109 18:29 huginn bg_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.0�C (11:31 AM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. 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Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady). 18:30 nengard @wunder 19030 18:30 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 16.9�C (2:30 PM EDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). 18:30 druthb not *that* much colder in Madison, bg_. All that drama over a few degrees.. 18:30 bg_ it was like 5~7 when we where there 18:31 druthb (I was running around in knee-length skirts, and bg_ was bundled up like an Inuit. I was greatly amused.) 18:31 joetho @wunder mcmurdo station 18:31 huginn joetho: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -31.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on May 06, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Falling). 18:37 library_systems_guy nengard, thanks for the rebase bit, that fixed it 18:37 nengard good stuff 18:43 wizzyrea is it on the wiki "how to update your git install" 18:44 wizzyrea the steps I mean? 18:44 wizzyrea cuzn if it's not, it should be 18:44 wizzyrea aka how not to muck up your repo 18:46 library_systems_guy i think it is...but i think its closer to the install stuff 18:46 library_systems_guy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 18:46 library_systems_guy thats what i referred to 19:17 oleonard Big PTFS day on the mailing list today 19:17 oleonard Encouraged by KudosCon I wonder? 19:19 rhcl I must be not getting some emails--do you have a specific email subject or DTG for that? 19:20 oleonard "CCL query query" 19:20 rangi and the renewals statistics one 19:21 rhcl this is on "koha", right? I just started popping all my email to gmail and it's goofy I think 19:21 oleonard Yes 19:25 cait owen: seeing the mails 19:25 cait what about the library that owns the item? 19:26 cait if we have to put a brnach in there. I would like to have an option to find out about opac vs staff renewals 19:26 cait and meant oleonard 19:26 oleonard The item's home branch seems least relevant to me since it could have been checked out from any branch 19:27 cait they bought the item and made it available for others - why not count the renewal for them? 19:27 oleonard Maybe so, but we don't count other circs that way 19:27 cait hm ok 19:27 rangi see if you guys make it hard 19:27 rangi ill never do a patch 19:27 rangi hehe 19:27 cait rangi: i want to leave it empty - but I might be alone on that ;) 19:28 cait I think opac renwal has no place it belongs to really 19:28 rangi but if i must, i could do a syspref 19:28 cait it's an opac rnewal 19:28 rangi opacrenewalbranch 19:28 rangi 'null','itemhomebranch','branchissuedfrom','patronhomebranch' 19:28 cait hm 19:29 rangi and try to solve all you fellas at once 19:29 cait crazy :P 19:30 oleonard Like I said, I'll take pretty much anything over nothing if it comes to that (sorry cait) 19:30 cait no problem :) 19:31 cait ok... I will say it... could we add something ot make it show as opac renwal? 19:31 rangi cait: sure, how about OPAC 19:32 rangi could be just another option for the syspref 19:32 rangi i have to go feed atarua 19:32 rangi atarau even 19:32 oleonard There was a Harley feature, I think, that showed counts for staff/OPAC renewals on the patron detail page 19:32 rangi if someone wanted to update the bug, ill do it when i get to work 19:32 wizzyrea there was 19:33 cait I am checking dbs and bix right now - the german library statistics 19:33 cait what they require 19:33 rangi im leaning towards the syspref, cos then it can please everyone 19:33 rangi and its easy to just add another value to it 19:33 * rangi will bbiab 19:35 wizzyrea wb sekjal 19:36 sekjal thanks, wizzyrea. cable guy is playing with the wires on the pole outside.. hopefully I'm stable for a while longer 19:37 sekjal okay, cable guy is folding up the ladder.. should be stable for a while... 19:38 oleonard You're too late to slip him some cash for free HBO 19:40 cait oleonard: I will ask our statistics expert tomorrow :) 19:42 cait oleonard: probably you are right 20:03 rangi back 20:04 wizzyrea jwagner: about? 20:04 Brooke kia ora 20:05 wizzyrea err reading fail 20:05 rangi heh 20:05 cait hi Brooke 20:05 sekjal alright, internet is all set up for the new house! and, apparently, if I plug in a TV, there's free basic cable what comes with internet service 20:05 druthb kia ora, Brooke. :) 20:05 sekjal not that I particularly want to watch TV, but... 20:05 rangi cool sekjal 20:05 Brooke :) 20:05 wizzyrea @later tell jwagner are your kudos slides available online anywherE? 20:05 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 20:06 cait sekjal: ... but you could if you wanted to? :) 20:06 cait grats on the new house :) 20:07 sekjal cait: thanks! lots of work, but worth it 20:07 sekjal (the house, not watching TV... in case I was unclear) 20:07 Brooke where's the new lodge? *pry pry* 20:09 sekjal Brooke: South Deerfield, MA. Just down the street from MassCat (a Koha library system we support) 20:09 Brooke bwwewhwerahwehraher 20:09 Brooke good on you 20:09 Brooke now, this is of extreme import 20:10 Brooke if you go over the little Blue Bridge into Sunderland 20:10 Brooke there used to be a lovely little cafe that served a wicked little pulled pork sandwich across the street from the bank 20:10 Brooke their shakes are divine, as well. 20:13 Brooke http://bridgesidegrille.com/lunch.cfm 20:13 Brooke The Blue Heron is nice for an upscale option, too. 20:13 sekjal we've been to Blue Heron... very nice 20:13 sekjal will check out Bridgeside 20:15 Brooke there are scant few places I've not dined in that neighbourhood, and I've the stomach to prove it. 20:17 sekjal Brooke: you still get up this way much? 20:18 * Brooke shifts on her feet. 20:18 Brooke mebbe so, mebbe no, young man. 20:19 Brooke anyone have a flickr stream from KUDOS? 20:19 rangi coveritlive 20:20 wizzyrea sadly, i don't think there was an official one 20:20 rangi on the kudos site 20:20 wizzyrea I didn't see many people taking pictures 20:20 wizzyrea we were all too busy gabbing! 20:20 rangi had one link I think? 20:20 wizzyrea possibly 20:20 rangi u needed a kristina 20:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6308] Show number of comments on the "Comments" tab in OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6308> 20:20 wizzyrea we all do 20:20 wizzyrea :) 20:20 gmcharlt rangi: am I remembering correctly that it's May 22nd for 3.4.1? 20:21 rangi yep 20:21 gmcharlt thanks 20:21 rangi and may 15 for 3.2.8 20:21 rangi chris_n can correct me 20:22 Brooke ye gods, gmcharlt must have secured Elven assistance to make this happen. 20:22 rangi course may 21 is my birthday 20:22 Brooke that so? 20:22 gmcharlt rangi: so you give other people presents on your birthday? :) 20:22 Brooke so it 20:22 Brooke is 20:22 Brooke 38 years 20:22 rangi well chris_n will be doing most of it 20:22 Brooke gmcharlt: his birthday is hardly my wedding :P 20:23 rangi have u seen the cherry pick page on the wiki 20:23 rangi thats how we are tracking 20:23 rangi is working pretty well 20:23 rangi I push to master 20:24 rangi and let him know the ones I think should be in 3.4.1 20:24 rangi I've only got one wrong so far :) 20:24 gmcharlt :) 20:24 gmcharlt rangi++ 20:24 gmcharlt chris_n++ 20:25 cait ah I have to check that 20:25 rangi ok my stop 20:25 cait the page 20:25 wahanui the page is up, but no one stepped up 20:25 rangi brb after coffee 20:26 wizzyrea wahanui: forget the page 20:26 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot page 20:27 joetho Happy Sinkful Of Mayo 20:35 rangi back 20:35 Brooke welcome back 20:40 Brooke bonjour hdl. 20:41 hdl Hi Brooke 20:41 rangi hi hdl 20:42 hdl Hi rangi 20:42 rangi #koha: did we have a bug number for that renewals branch? 20:46 rangi a bit of friday happiness 20:46 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3fcZHlFRI 20:48 Brooke Kua haere au. 20:58 * magnuse wishes #koha a pleasant time of the day 21:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6313] Adding option to "attach another item" when finished attaching items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6313> 21:49 rangi hmm should i put the OpacRenewalsBranch in the circulation or opac tab for preferences? 21:49 rangi im leaning towards circ 21:50 * wizzyrea is contrary 21:50 wizzyrea i'd go with opac 21:50 wizzyrea both make sense tho 21:50 wizzyrea i'm not helping. just call me the waffler 21:50 rangi heh 21:50 wizzyrea follow your gut, go with circ lol 21:51 rangi will do, someone can counter patch me if they want :) 21:54 rangi actually ive changed to opac 21:54 rangi because thats where 21:54 rangi OpacRenewalAllowed 21:54 rangi is 21:54 rangi ill put it right by that 21:54 wizzyrea :) 22:05 * chris_n always follows his gut when it comes to food ;-) 22:18 chris_n off to second shift 22:20 rangi :) 22:27 moodaepo @weather 56001 22:27 huginn moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 16.3�C (5:30 PM CDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 22:44 adnc_ No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296. 22:44 adnc_ can someone help me interprete this? 22:45 adnc_ it comes as mail after a cronjob 23:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5199] Renewals do not add branchcode to statistics table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5199> 23:45 rangi @quote random 23:45 huginn rangi: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) 23:54 bg @wunder 93109 23:54 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.7�C (4:56 PM PDT on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).