IRC log for #koha, 2011-02-28

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00:13 rangi heya NateC
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03:17 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:19 space_librarian namaste, kmkale
03:22 kmkale hi space_librarian
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06:22 kf good morning #koha
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06:58 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:01 kf kia ora :)
07:09 magnuse :-)
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08:04 francharb hello #koha
08:08 kf hi francharb
08:08 magnuse hi francharb
08:09 francharb hi kf, magnuse! good week end?
08:09 kf yep, only too short :)
08:09 francharb as usual
08:09 francharb ;)
08:10 magnuse yep, thanks - worked a little, went for nice walks in non-freezing temperatures, ate good food...
08:10 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
08:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (8:50 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:10 francharb @wunder lyon, france
08:10 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 3.0�C (9:00 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:10 magnuse how about you francharb?
08:11 magnuse heh, almost the same!
08:11 magnuse @wunder konstanz, germany
08:11 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (9:00 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
08:11 magnuse cait beats us both!
08:11 magnuse oops, kf
08:12 kf hehe
08:12 kf don't worry, I don't think it's a secret
08:13 rangi @wunder wellington nz
08:13 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:14 francharb i did some basic week end stuff : grocery, cleaning... and i got for 4lp boxset from this old swiss band 'kleenex'! :) so i listened 83 swiss punk music! ;)
08:15 rangi hehe cool
08:15 kf kleenex?
08:16 francharb at the beginning they were called kleenex, then liliput
08:16 kf hm
08:17 francharb kleenex period :
08:17 francharb liliput period :
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08:27 magnuse hi paul_p and paul_p's shadow
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08:28 magnuse and bonjour hdl
08:28 paul_p hello magnuse (& thx to spot the shadow ;-) )
08:28 magnuse sounds like some nice weather in wellington!
08:28 hdl hi magnuse
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08:35 kf hi hdl and paul_p
08:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_1953' into kcmaster <[…]e2cb0ebbe590f5e00> / Bug 1953 - Follow up fix on security patch <[…]a06f773003555a035>
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08:46 kf !jenkins botsnack cookie
08:46 jenkins_koha kf: great! yum yum. how did you know that cookie is my favorite food?
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09:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master build #385: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/385/
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09:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_3319' into kcmaster <[…]f0a21d2b2b1171cc8> / Bug 3319 Followup: Fix compatibility with fix for bug 4945 <[…]160bd85e8e532238a>
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10:21 jenkins_koha Ian Walls: Bug 3319 Followup: Fix compatibility with fix for bug 4945
10:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
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12:03 magnuse o/
12:03 druthb hi, magnuse!
12:04 magnuse hi druthb
12:06 eric_b hi all
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12:08 magnuse hi ebegin
12:10 ebegin I'm trying to configure koha in order to search ranges of acquisition date. Anybody already acheived this ?  So far, I can search for an exact date, but not a range nor > or <
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12:58 magnuse good morning, americas!
12:58 jwagner Good afternoon, Europe
12:59 kf good morning :)
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13:06 jcamins Good morning, #koha
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13:12 kf hi jcamins and hi Ropuch :)
13:22 Ropuch Hello [;
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13:52 oleonard So how's Monday, #koha?
13:52 * druthb is dissolving Prozac into her tea, just in case.
13:53 * oleonard started the day under a tornado warning, so things have already improved.
13:54 * jwagner is wishing i were back in Florida -- 83 degrees, sunny, and a rocket launch :-)
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14:01 * jcamins is wishing his sourdough would come up to room temperature so that he could shape it and get it started on its second rise.
14:07 * druthb is wishing she was closer to jcamins, since there is sourdough coming up soon
14:08 jcamins Lots of sourdough.
14:08 jcamins I figured out why I go through flour so quickly. I used 6 pounds of it yesterday.
14:08 druthb :-O
14:09 jcamins Fortunately Costco is nearby, and they sell 50# bags of bread flour.
14:14 kf so this one is alive and well?
14:15 jcamins Yes.
14:15 jcamins I cheated a bit.
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14:16 jcamins I ordered a starter from King Arthur Flour.
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14:24 kf jcamins: why is this cheating?
14:25 jcamins kf: 'cause I didn't grow it from scratch.
14:25 jcamins But it's only kind of cheating.
14:25 jcamins And the payoff (glorious sourdough bread) is totally worth it. ;)
14:25 kf :)
14:33 rhcl I see King Arthur Flour is located in Vermont. Vermont has maple syrup. But isn't Vermont sourdough kinda like New York chili?
14:33 jcamins rhcl: yeah.
14:33 rhcl I mean, for chili you go to Texas. And sourdough should be CA or maybe south/midwest
14:34 jcamins But one day soon, the local yeasts will take over, and it'll be less pitiful.
14:34 rhcl No see, I wouldn't be able to resist trying to mix it up a bit--I'd throw in some potato scrapings or something
14:34 rhcl Now see...
14:35 rhcl But then, what do I know about sourdough?
14:36 jcamins Clearly you know how tasty it is. :)
14:36 gmcharlt @later tell chris_n would you mind cherry-picking 61f6828d1230 for 3.2.x?
14:36 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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14:47 chris_n owen: should your patches for bug 5804 apply to 3.2.x?
14:49 chris_n sekjal: should your patch for bug 3319 apply to 3.2.x?
14:50 chris_n @later tell sekjal should your patch for bug 3319 apply to 3.2.x?
14:50 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
14:50 oleonard chris_n: No, the file in question doesn't exist in 3.2.x
14:50 chris_n tnx
14:50 * chris_n must remember your nick change :P
14:51 oleonard I have my eyeballs configured to alert me when someone uses my old nick.
14:51 * jcamins returns, having shaped the sourdough.
14:52 jcamins Ten loaves of bread between yesterday and today... not bad.
14:53 * druthb hunts for the $1 ticket deal on BoltBus.
14:53 wizzyrea my goodness I hope you have a big freezer
14:54 wizzyrea and good morning
14:54 * jcamins gave away the bread from yesterday already.
14:54 oleonard Looks like Bugzilla is down?
14:54 jcamins oleonard: just in the last few minutes, apparently.
14:54 jcamins wizzyrea: and, good morning. :)
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15:00 jcamins Hm.
15:00 jcamins I seem to have reversed my syspref.
15:01 chris_n gmcharlt: done
15:01 gmcharlt chris_n++
15:01 chris_n please let me know if you find other's I've missed
15:02 chris_n others even
15:02 gmcharlt other's others?
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15:02 druthb others' others?
15:03 jcamins Other's Others?
15:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Follow-up fix for Bug 5733 - Empty cart in intranet when session is closed <[…]947dab0462dd56859> / Fix for Bug 5812 - Tag Cloud - capitalized words come before lower-case words <[…]a89d94e12fa65b640> / Follow-up fix for Bug 4885 - Only 1 ISBN shows in non-
15:04 gmcharlt down with othering!
15:04 * jcamins is a grad student in Slavic Studies, so he finds that very amusing.
15:10 tcohen how do I properly download a patch from bugs.koha-community?
15:13 jcamins tcohen: you can download however you prefer. I generally use wget.
15:13 tcohen jcamins: ok
15:13 jcamins Put the patch in your kohaclone directory, then run git am ${PATCH_FILE}
15:14 tcohen i'll put my hands on bug 5546 today
15:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, P5, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links
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15:30 * jcamins hates illogical bugs.
15:32 jcamins Oh, now I see what's wrong.
15:33 tcohen jcamins: ?
15:33 jcamins tcohen: sorry, just talking to myself.
15:34 jcamins I just learned that variables in XSLT *are not* scoped to templates called after their declaration.
15:40 jcamins ... and global variables do not work.
15:51 oleonard tcohen: Will you be trying to add cookie handling to the feature in Bug 5546?
15:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, P5, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links
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16:55 * jcamins is very impatient for his sourdough bread to cook.
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16:56 cait hi all
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17:00 tcohen oleonard: that's right, i'll work on cookies
17:00 tcohen any thoughts about it?
17:00 jcamins Mmm. Cookies.
17:00 druthb Mmm.
17:00 jcamins I should make sourdough cookies.
17:00 tcohen butter cookies
17:00 druthb o.O
17:00 druthb sourdough...cookies?
17:00 oleonard tcohen: I have another patch pending which adds the jQuery cookie plugin, so I would recommend using that as well if it suits your needs
17:01 jcamins druthb: maybe with coconut and curry, for wizzyrea? :)
17:01 tcohen of course
17:01 druthb :D
17:01 tcohen oleonard: which bug is it?
17:01 druthb doesn't sound much like a cookie....some kinda funky macaroon..
17:02 oleonard tcohen: Bug 3659
17:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3659 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab
17:03 wizzyrea those are the best cookies ever
17:03 wizzyrea they are oatmeal, coconut, and curry
17:03 wizzyrea NOM
17:03 wizzyrea just don't (really, don't) use curry powder with garlic in it
17:03 druthb hehehe
17:03 jcamins wizzyrea: sounds like you learned that from painful experience?
17:04 wizzyrea well, honestly
17:04 wizzyrea I kind of liked it with the garlic
17:04 wizzyrea and the kiddo didn't mind them
17:04 wizzyrea but the hubs wouldn't touch em
17:04 druthb my daughter would consider that the rankest heresy.  She *love* garlic.
17:04 wizzyrea garlic in cookies was just not his speed
17:05 wizzyrea we put nuts and dried fruit in those, and they were divine breakfast cookies
17:05 wizzyrea lots of fiber >.>
17:06 tcohen cookies need to have SUGAR
17:07 jcamins wizzyrea: I did that once. They were *very* popular.
17:07 wizzyrea oh these did have sugar
17:07 wizzyrea they do
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17:21 jcamins The bread looks beautiful. And full of character.
17:21 cait photos? ;)
17:22 jcamins It's still in the oven.
17:22 jcamins Once it comes out I can photograph it. ;)
17:23 jcamins Unfortunately the photograph will not capture how amazing it smells.
17:23 cait :)
17:25 tcohen Cake::CaptureSmell
17:28 oleonard I need some help setting up named virtual hosts in a new system I'm setting up
17:29 oleonard The NameVirtualHost line in /etc/apache2/ports.conf should specify the IP:port I specify in koha-httpd.conf's <virtualHost> ?
17:29 oleonard Is that right?
17:29 jcamins Yes.
17:29 jcamins You can also use * instead of an IP.
17:30 oleonard NameVirtualHost * in ports.conf?
17:30 jcamins I think you can do that.
17:30 jcamins That's what I did.
17:31 oleonard Then what do I specify in the <VirtualHost> sections of koha-httpd.conf?
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17:33 jcamins *
17:33 wizzyrea ServerName Your Name
17:33 jcamins <VirtualHost *> ServerName ${YOUR_URL}
17:36 oleonard Okay, so now I have in ports.conf, "NameVirtualHost *" and in koha-httpd.conf, "<VirtualHost *>
17:36 oleonard I have specified ServerName
17:37 oleonard But when I restart apache I get "VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing *ports and no-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported"
17:38 oleonard Oh, is that from the 000-default site?
17:38 jcamins Yes.
17:39 jcamins I think it is, anyway.
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17:44 jcamins cait:[…]786_6632498_a.jpg
17:45 oleonard Do I need "NameVirtualHost *" just in ports.conf, or in my other .conf files as well?
17:45 jcamins You should only need one, I think.
17:46 oleonard Do I need a "Listen" somewhere?
17:46 jcamins Would anyone else find it useful to be able to doubleclick on a specific patron when the search for checking out to a patron returns more than one result?
17:46 jcamins oleonard: yes, I think it should look like this:
17:46 jcamins Listen *:80
17:46 jcamins NameVirtualHosts *:80
17:47 jcamins <VirtualHost *:80>
17:47 jcamins (or change the :80 to whatever port you want)
17:47 jcamins (or drop it if you want to leave it at 80, I think)
17:49 druthb * by itself means "all ports we're listening to."  I usually use *:80, just to be specific.
17:50 oleonard jcamins++
17:50 oleonard wizzyrea++
17:50 oleonard druthb++
17:50 oleonard Working, thanks!
17:55 jenkins_koha Starting build 109 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #102 6 days 14 hr ago)
17:56 cait @wunder konstanz
17:56 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.3�C (7:00 PM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Rising).
18:00 rangi morning
18:00 rangi i wonder if jenkins will complete or run out of ram again
18:00 mtj morning chris
18:01 rangi hi mtj
18:01 mtj running out of ram is a new thing, since the hudson->jenkins upgrade?
18:02 rangi nope
18:02 rangi it has been doing it a while
18:02 * jcamins distributes pieces of virtual sourdough bread to everyone in #koha
18:02 mtj ah, old thing :)
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18:03 rangi its a java thing, its what java does
18:03 rangi eat all your ram
18:03 rangi i think its by design :)
18:04 tcohen oleonard: NameVirtualHost *:80 in ports.conf means you're going to use name-based virtual hosts in your apache's configs
18:04 tcohen in your virtualhost definition, it will try to match the virtualhost name
18:04 tcohen you need one NameVirtualHost declaration for all your vhosts
18:05 tcohen so it is more clear to put it in ports.conf
18:05 tcohen if you put more than one apache will complain of namevirtualhosts definition collision
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18:24 rangi nope, there simply isnt enough space for jenkins and bugzilla on the same small linode instance (at least now that we have more tests to run anyway)
18:26 mtj i have a linode, that could host either/or
18:26 mtj its a little 512meg one, so it may choke too
18:27 rangi jenkins is far easier to move
18:27 rangi ill keep that in mind mtj hopefully we get some other offers
18:28 * rangi goes to catch his bus
18:42 jcamins If a particular bib has no items that could ever be checked out by a given patron category, can a patron in that category still place a hold on the item?
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18:43 rangi Back
18:43 rangi That was the longest I've waited for a bus in ages
18:44 rangi jcamins: try it and see
18:44 jcamins rangi: good plan. :)
18:45 cait jcamins: I think if you can it's  a bug
18:46 rangi Link it off the holds rewrite bug if you file one
18:48 jcamins Will do.
18:48 rangi I sent sekjal a patch for bug 5786 if you wanted to test that too that would be cool
18:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix
18:48 rangi Its not quite ready for primetime, more a sanity check
18:49 jcamins Well, my testing suggests that this works fine.
18:49 rangi Sweet
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18:49 * chris_n 's todo list looks like a write-only stack :-P
18:49 jcamins (a patron cannot place a hold on a bib which does not have any items that can be checked out to his/her category)
18:50 cait chris_n: I have one of those too :(
18:50 rangi Yeah mine is growing pretty fast, time to add another dev to the catalyst koha team I think
18:50 rangi Anyone wanna live in wellington? :)
18:51 nengard i do!
18:52 nengard but i'm not a dev
18:52 cait hmpf :)
18:52 jwagner In NZ, yes! not so sure about in Wellington -- those winds were pretty COLD....
18:53 druthb is now known as druthb_away
18:54 rangi Bah, that was nothing :)
18:54 jwagner ...says the person who was dressed for the weather....
18:55 tcohen oleonard, r u ther?
18:55 oleonard Yes
18:55 tcohen do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false?
18:56 tcohen so there can be several cookies set for different users
18:56 tcohen on the same browser
18:57 tcohen $.cookie("marcdocs_<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="borrowernumber" -->",false, { path: "/", expires: 0 });
18:57 rangi Does it need borrowernumber?
18:57 rangi I guess if its a machine lots of people use
18:57 tcohen each catalogur wants so see/don't see marc doc links
18:58 cait yeah, but are they all working on the same machine?
18:58 tcohen perhaps, one in the morning one in the evening
18:58 tcohen ??
18:59 tcohen if exposing in such a way the borrowernumbers is a problem for security...
18:59 rangi Id have sep users for the machine, but yeah I guess some libraries might let people share logins
19:00 tcohen what do u think of possible security issues?
19:00 tcohen I think is harmless
19:00 rangi It does make the checking more complex
19:01 tcohen checking?
19:01 oleonard Right, how does the script know the borrowernumber of the logged in user?
19:02 tcohen $template->param(borrowernumber => $loggedinuser);
19:02 rangi The other cookies like language pref, login etc aren't tied to a borrowernumber serverside
19:02 tcohen (in
19:03 rangi Sorry clientside
19:04 rangi My stop bbiab
19:04 tcohen I think is better to do it by borrowernumber
19:04 tcohen perhaps for every setting
19:05 tcohen but for this submission I can be more conservative and stick with the current approach
19:06 tcohen oleonard?
19:06 wahanui1 i guess oleonard is the master UI designer of koha
19:06 oleonard tcohen: I guess I could go either way.
19:07 tcohen alright, i'll leave it per-borrower
19:07 tcohen perhaps someone will patch it later if found not appropriate
19:07 tcohen thanks
19:07 nengard i need help tracking down a bug report - one i thought was fixed (but might not be)
19:07 nengard searching for subjects that have parens in them - does that work or doesn't it?
19:08 tcohen i don't see any drawbacks
19:08 nengard and does anyone know what bug number that was?
19:08 oleonard Bug 5693 was a recent one
19:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5693 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail
19:08 oleonard but that's very specific
19:09 nengard bug 2702
19:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2702 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED MOVED, Subjects with Parens Causing Issues
19:09 nengard i found it - but what does moved mean? and is it still an issue?
19:09 oleonard Bug 1807
19:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results
19:10 oleonard "C4/ needs a total rewrite and is on the cards for 3.4"
19:10 oleonard Promises, promises, rangi ;)
19:11 rangi i never promised to write it
19:11 * rangi looks at gmcharlt :)
19:12 * gmcharlt still has a month :)
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19:12 jwagner Speaking of searching, where would I look to try to exclude (for example) leading French articles Le, La, Les L' from alphabetical sorts?
19:12 cait what about postgres?
19:12 cait only asking because I got a list of questions today - library asking for future safe database
19:12 rangi that wont happen for 3.4
19:12 cait ok
19:12 rangi unless someone does it
19:13 rangi im still hoping to get DBIx::Class::Schema in
19:13 rangi then we are a big step closer, its just fixing all the .sql files (and any mysqlisms in the code)
19:14 rangi future safe is the wrong reason to leave mysql
19:14 rangi its as safe as any db is
19:14 rangi and has many drop in replacements
19:14 cait ok
19:14 rangi which makes it safer than oracle, or sybase
19:15 cait I was wondering where the question came from
19:15 rangi moving from it because oracle are mental is the reason
19:15 cait not sure what they are using now
19:15 mtj ha, thats not saying much, chris :)
19:16 rangi i mean its no less future safe than access, or ms sql
19:16 rangi but its not a true free software project, so thats why im keen to move
19:16 rangi you may have noticed a trend in my thinking :-)
19:17 mtj *nod*
19:17 mtj *nod*
19:17 * gmcharlt checks to see if rms is wearing a rangi mask
19:17 rangi hehe
19:17 rangi actually i strive to emulate bradley kuhn
19:17 rangi i have a long long way to go
19:18 rangi to be a good a man as he is
19:18 rangi i probably need to learn to spell first
19:18 jcamins Does OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown actually do anything?
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19:19 mtj pushing for a postgres port, means that the mysql-isms get removed from Koha too, which is another win
19:19 jcamins Ah, found it.
19:19 oleonard This is probably old news to everyone else, but I just read this and found it worthwhile:[…]es-the-point.html
19:20 rangi it is a good read eh oleonard
19:22 oleonard It helps put some things in context for me, and understand how "open source" can be a slippery slope
19:24 oleonard Alright, installation question:
19:25 oleonard Are there circumstances under which the "sudo -u <kohauser> zebraserv..." command is going to work without permissions errors?
19:26 oleonard Or do I get those because I'm doing a dev install?
19:27 cait jcamins: should put a library pull down next to the search in opac
19:28 cait the simple search, not the advanced search
19:29 oleonard I'm looking at INSTALL.debian step 6.1.1
19:29 jcamins cait: yeah, eventually I tracked it down. Kind of.
19:29 jcamins How do I set checkouts allowed to "unlimited"?
19:29 cait no way
19:29 cait oh
19:29 cait sorry, leave it empty
19:30 cait you can't set maxreserves to unlimited, I was confusing those too for a moment
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19:32 cait leaving the reserves empty means null, leaving checkouts empty means unlimitied (afaik)
19:32 oleonard consistency++
19:33 cait I hear you
19:40 rhcl firebird, firebird, firebird
19:40 rhcl
19:41 oleonard The database I would have never heard of if Mozilla hadn't tried to name a browser the same thing.
19:42 rhcl Firebird is a really great database because they have the prettiest web site of any db.
19:43 rangi heh
19:43 * oleonard does a spit take
19:45 bencahill lol
19:45 * gmcharlt blinks, then bills rhcl for some ocular bleach
19:48 * jcamins remembers abruptly why he decided to do all his development in Template::Toolkit.
19:49 rangi yeah, sometime this week, im moving all the tt work into a branch on
19:49 rangi and i will be asking for serious testing
19:49 rangi the more testing you do
19:49 rangi the less master will be broken when i merge it
19:49 rangi let that be a warning to you all! :-)
19:50 oleonard I was hoping "the more testing you do" was going to be followed by "the more cookies you'll get"
19:50 * oleonard wherein Koha QA testing peaks at 11AM each day
19:51 rangi ill make you a deal
19:52 rangi a bug found, with a patch to fix it, will get you a cookie
19:52 rangi im expecting little things like a variable in the wrong scope
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19:54 cait cookies?
19:54 * druthb perks.
19:54 druthb cookies?
19:56 * cait looks around searching for cookies
19:56 * druthb suggests GeoIP location on jcamins address, to find cookies.
19:57 cait hehe
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20:11 NateC Hiya #koha!
20:11 rangi hey NateC
20:11 rangi bbiab
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20:21 SharonNEKLS Hi all.  Is there an updated version of these tables somewhere?
20:22 SharonNEKLS wizzyrea is out of the office, or I'd just ask her ;-)
20:22 cait what are you looking for?
20:23 SharonNEKLS table names and field names to help write reports.
20:23 jcamins My cat says he likes that appendix. There is not an updated one for Koha 3.2+, I don't think.
20:23 SharonNEKLS That link is to Koha 2.2 documentation
20:23 SharonNEKLS K - we've been using that one for 2 years, suppose we can keep on using it
20:24 cait there is something done by cilea i think
20:24 cait it was on the old wiki
20:24 cait database documentation
20:25 cait[…]s_information_RFC
20:25 cait
20:25 nengard hi SharonNEKLS!!!!
20:26 nengard SharonNEKLS, I have a link in the manual to the db structure of koha
20:26 nengard[…]460a3df18;hb=HEAD
20:26 SharonNEKLS Thank you - we'll bookmark...
20:27 nengard :)
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20:28 SharonNEKLS From Mickey: nicole's is good thank you. that is what i needed.
20:28 * oleonard_ gets chatzilla working on Debian finally
20:28 cait good night all
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20:33 * oleonard discovers a new bug. Yay.
20:34 nengard you're welcome Mickey and Sharon :)
20:34 oleonard 1. Do a search in the staff client. 2. Click on an author link in your search results. 3. Re-sort the results of that search.
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20:35 SharonNEKLS Oops
20:35 SharonNEKLS Spits me to the Advanced Search page
20:35 rangi i thought that was fixed
20:35 rangi or it might have just been fixed for subjects
20:36 rangi its the link from the author is wrong
20:37 rangi works in the opac eh?
20:38 oleonard Yes
20:38 rangi opac does
20:38 rangi q=au:author
20:38 rangi lemme find out what staff does
20:39 oleonard<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="author" ESCAPE="URL" -->
20:39 rangi the same
20:41 rangi i bet if you change it to idx=au&q=author
20:41 oleonard It's the hidden input that's different
20:41 oleonard In the opac, ccl=au:Smiley, Jane
20:41 rangi right
20:41 oleonard in the staff client au:Smiley, Jane.
20:42 rangi i still think the link should be like this
20:42 rangi[…].pl?idx=au&q=test
20:42 rangi not ccl anything
20:42 rangi that link is sortable, and facetable
20:43 rangi ie clicking on the facets actually works
20:43 rangi vs
20:45 rangi[…]cl=au:institution
20:45 rangi click on a facet there
20:45 rangi doesnt do anything
20:45 rangi[…]=au&q=institution
20:45 rangi click on one there
20:45 rangi and it actually works
20:46 rangi so i reckon the templte should be changed to not do ccl but just have a hidden input idx = au
20:46 rangi sorry no hidden inputs
20:46 rangi just a href of the for idx=au&q=authors name
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20:47 * rangi wonders if he is making any sense at all
20:48 oleonard I tried;q=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="author" ESCAPE="URL" --> without success
20:49 jcamins Does "HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn" ring any bells with anyone?
20:49 rangi what about just a & instead of &ampl
20:49 rangi amp; even
20:49 * rangi doesnt think browswers interpret html in a url (i could be wrong tho)
20:51 oleonard Actually, did my edit take?
20:51 * oleonard checks again
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20:52 rangi id try it with just an & too
20:52 SharonNEKLS jcamins we couldn't find it searching sysprefs, but it was crucial to getting our test install to behave correctly.
20:53 * oleonard should have known it was his own error when evidence suggested rangi was wrong :P
20:53 jcamins SharonNEKLS: hm. Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't find that syspref. What happened when it wasn't in your system?
20:54 oleonard Your suggested change was correct rangi
20:54 SharonNEKLS we didn't get the "please return to" prompt to let folks know when to send books back to their homebranch for re-shelving.
20:54 rangi yay!
20:54 SharonNEKLS It's stored under "local use"
20:55 jcamins Ah-ha.
20:55 jcamins Thank you!
20:55 SharonNEKLS np
20:56 rangi[…]ion-357989041.htm
20:56 rangi the kiwi attitude
20:56 SharonNEKLS lol
20:57 oleonard That is an awesome rock.
20:58 rangi on a more serious note 2 mins silence at 12:51pm today, thats the time the quake hit one week ago
20:58 rangi 2 hours and 47 mins from now
20:58 rangi[…]n-a-nation-mourns
21:11 SharonNEKLS rangi - do System logins for SIP connections have to be Staff accounts or can they be plain-jane adult accounts?
21:12 rangi pass
21:13 SharonNEKLS damn
21:15 SharonNEKLS We will email our helpful new support vendor...
21:17 nengard :)
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21:21 rhcl the SIP connections have to have admin accounts
21:22 SharonNEKLS We will leave those as Staff, but we are taking all 'staff people' and making them regular adult patrons, so they can be guarnators and change their own passwords.
21:23 rhcl ? not sure I understand. Staff members can change their passwords certainly.
21:24 SharonNEKLS Not in our current set up.
21:24 rhcl Well, you need a new setup. :)
21:24 SharonNEKLS that's the plan
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21:26 rhcl In the olden days some libraries had framed art and even, like sculptures for checkout. Does Koha have any functionality for that?
21:26 jcamins rhcl: You can catalog realia with MARC.
21:26 jcamins And you can certainly check out realia... that's how they did registration at KohaCon.
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21:41 rhcl I should catalog my collection of wildlife art.
21:47 jcamins Sounds like a good idea to me.
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21:52 * jcamins is biased, being a cataloger.
21:55 * druthb heard of a library school where one of your cataloging exercises was to catalog yourself.  Friend of mine put his parents in 780s, his child in 785, and "God" in 100.
21:58 gmcharlt what did he put in the 310?
21:58 druthb @marc 310
21:58 huginn druthb: The current stated publication frequency of either an item or an update to an item. Dates are included when the beginning date of the current frequency is not the same as the beginning date of publication. These data are related to coded data in field 008/18 (Frequency) and 008/19 (Regularity). [a,b,6,8]
21:58 druthb lol
21:59 * gmcharlt wonders what theory of soul is implied by using title changes to represent relationships between parents and children ;)
22:00 * druthb catalogs her cat, with extent "20 pounds, approx." and 650 $aDestruction of the Universe
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22:02 jcamins gmcharlt: better that than 740, don't you think?
22:03 rhcl @marc 740
22:03 huginn rhcl: Contains related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title)). (Repeatable) [a,h,n,p,5,6,8]
22:03 gmcharlt jcamins: true, since you'd just have to edit the record again after nine months
22:04 rhcl ah, 740 where the cat should go--mine never listens to me
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23:33 jcamins Good night, #kona
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