Time Nick Message 00:13 rangi heya NateC 03:17 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:19 space_librarian namaste, kmkale 03:22 kmkale hi space_librarian 05:14 cait hi #koha 06:22 kf good morning #koha 06:58 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:01 kf kia ora :) 07:09 magnuse :-) 08:04 francharb hello #koha 08:08 kf hi francharb 08:08 magnuse hi francharb 08:09 francharb hi kf, magnuse! good week end? 08:09 kf yep, only too short :) 08:09 francharb as usual 08:09 francharb ;) 08:10 magnuse yep, thanks - worked a little, went for nice walks in non-freezing temperatures, ate good food... 08:10 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 08:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (8:50 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 08:10 francharb @wunder lyon, france 08:10 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 3.0�C (9:00 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:10 magnuse how about you francharb? 08:11 magnuse heh, almost the same! 08:11 magnuse @wunder konstanz, germany 08:11 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (9:00 AM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 08:11 magnuse cait beats us both! 08:11 magnuse oops, kf 08:12 kf hehe 08:12 kf don't worry, I don't think it's a secret 08:13 rangi @wunder wellington nz 08:13 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 08:14 francharb i did some basic week end stuff : grocery, cleaning... and i got for 4lp boxset from this old swiss band 'kleenex'! :) so i listened 83 swiss punk music! ;) 08:15 rangi hehe cool 08:15 kf kleenex? 08:16 francharb at the beginning they were called kleenex, then liliput 08:16 kf hm 08:17 francharb kleenex period : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQZY0B8eaPU 08:17 francharb liliput period : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOGy3_6k1g 08:27 magnuse hi paul_p and paul_p's shadow 08:28 magnuse and bonjour hdl 08:28 paul_p hello magnuse (& thx to spot the shadow ;-) ) 08:28 magnuse sounds like some nice weather in wellington! 08:28 hdl hi magnuse 08:35 kf hi hdl and paul_p 08:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_1953' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e3fdc6d6b46bb368167b6ae2cb0ebbe590f5e00> / Bug 1953 - Follow up fix on security patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=439d2224e1215fa876ff7c5a06f773003555a035> 08:40 jenkins_koha Starting build 385 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:46 kf !jenkins botsnack cookie 08:46 jenkins_koha kf: great! yum yum. how did you know that cookie is my favorite food? 09:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master build #385: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/385/ 09:07 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 1953 - Follow up fix on security patch 09:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_3319' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9f35b69849dca8705df98ff0a21d2b2b1171cc8> / Bug 3319 Followup: Fix compatibility with fix for bug 4945 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac9fd0cff94f1df9c2bd2d2160bd85e8e532238a> 09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 386 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master build #386: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/386/ 10:21 jenkins_koha Ian Walls: Bug 3319 Followup: Fix compatibility with fix for bug 4945 10:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library 12:03 magnuse o/ 12:03 druthb hi, magnuse! 12:04 magnuse hi druthb 12:06 eric_b hi all 12:08 magnuse hi ebegin 12:10 ebegin I'm trying to configure koha in order to search ranges of acquisition date. Anybody already acheived this ? So far, I can search for an exact date, but not a range nor > or < 12:58 magnuse good morning, americas! 12:58 jwagner Good afternoon, Europe 12:59 kf good morning :) 13:06 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:12 kf hi jcamins and hi Ropuch :) 13:22 Ropuch Hello [; 13:52 oleonard So how's Monday, #koha? 13:52 * druthb is dissolving Prozac into her tea, just in case. 13:53 * oleonard started the day under a tornado warning, so things have already improved. 13:54 * jwagner is wishing i were back in Florida -- 83 degrees, sunny, and a rocket launch :-) 14:01 * jcamins is wishing his sourdough would come up to room temperature so that he could shape it and get it started on its second rise. 14:07 * druthb is wishing she was closer to jcamins, since there is sourdough coming up soon 14:08 jcamins Lots of sourdough. 14:08 jcamins I figured out why I go through flour so quickly. I used 6 pounds of it yesterday. 14:08 druthb :-O 14:09 jcamins Fortunately Costco is nearby, and they sell 50# bags of bread flour. 14:14 kf so this one is alive and well? 14:15 jcamins Yes. 14:15 jcamins I cheated a bit. 14:16 jcamins I ordered a starter from King Arthur Flour. 14:24 kf jcamins: why is this cheating? 14:25 jcamins kf: 'cause I didn't grow it from scratch. 14:25 jcamins But it's only kind of cheating. 14:25 jcamins And the payoff (glorious sourdough bread) is totally worth it. ;) 14:25 kf :) 14:33 rhcl I see King Arthur Flour is located in Vermont. Vermont has maple syrup. But isn't Vermont sourdough kinda like New York chili? 14:33 jcamins rhcl: yeah. 14:33 rhcl I mean, for chili you go to Texas. And sourdough should be CA or maybe south/midwest 14:34 jcamins But one day soon, the local yeasts will take over, and it'll be less pitiful. 14:34 rhcl No see, I wouldn't be able to resist trying to mix it up a bit--I'd throw in some potato scrapings or something 14:34 rhcl Now see... 14:35 rhcl But then, what do I know about sourdough? 14:36 jcamins Clearly you know how tasty it is. :) 14:36 gmcharlt @later tell chris_n would you mind cherry-picking 61f6828d1230 for 3.2.x? 14:36 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 14:47 chris_n owen: should your patches for bug 5804 apply to 3.2.x? 14:49 chris_n sekjal: should your patch for bug 3319 apply to 3.2.x? 14:50 chris_n @later tell sekjal should your patch for bug 3319 apply to 3.2.x? 14:50 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 14:50 oleonard chris_n: No, the file in question doesn't exist in 3.2.x 14:50 chris_n tnx 14:50 * chris_n must remember your nick change :P 14:51 oleonard I have my eyeballs configured to alert me when someone uses my old nick. 14:51 * jcamins returns, having shaped the sourdough. 14:52 jcamins Ten loaves of bread between yesterday and today... not bad. 14:53 * druthb hunts for the $1 ticket deal on BoltBus. 14:53 wizzyrea my goodness I hope you have a big freezer 14:54 wizzyrea and good morning 14:54 * jcamins gave away the bread from yesterday already. 14:54 oleonard Looks like Bugzilla is down? 14:54 jcamins oleonard: just in the last few minutes, apparently. 14:54 jcamins wizzyrea: and, good morning. :) 15:00 jcamins Hm. 15:00 jcamins I seem to have reversed my syspref. 15:01 chris_n gmcharlt: done 15:01 gmcharlt chris_n++ 15:01 chris_n please let me know if you find other's I've missed 15:02 chris_n others even 15:02 gmcharlt other's others? 15:02 druthb others' others? 15:03 jcamins Other's Others? 15:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Follow-up fix for Bug 5733 - Empty cart in intranet when session is closed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b66662413b9ebf897fd8427947dab0462dd56859> / Fix for Bug 5812 - Tag Cloud - capitalized words come before lower-case words <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da9e26d020aac79a3a65d34a89d94e12fa65b640> / Follow-up fix for Bug 4885 - Only 1 ISBN shows in non- 15:04 gmcharlt down with othering! 15:04 * jcamins is a grad student in Slavic Studies, so he finds that very amusing. 15:10 tcohen how do I properly download a patch from bugs.koha-community? 15:13 jcamins tcohen: you can download however you prefer. I generally use wget. 15:13 tcohen jcamins: ok 15:13 jcamins Put the patch in your kohaclone directory, then run git am ${PATCH_FILE} 15:14 tcohen i'll put my hands on bug 5546 today 15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, P5, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links 15:30 * jcamins hates illogical bugs. 15:32 jcamins Oh, now I see what's wrong. 15:33 tcohen jcamins: ? 15:33 jcamins tcohen: sorry, just talking to myself. 15:34 jcamins I just learned that variables in XSLT *are not* scoped to templates called after their declaration. 15:40 jcamins ... and global variables do not work. 15:51 oleonard tcohen: Will you be trying to add cookie handling to the feature in Bug 5546? 15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 enhancement, P5, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Ability to hide MARC documentation links 16:55 * jcamins is very impatient for his sourdough bread to cook. 16:56 cait hi all 17:00 tcohen oleonard: that's right, i'll work on cookies 17:00 tcohen any thoughts about it? 17:00 jcamins Mmm. Cookies. 17:00 druthb Mmm. 17:00 jcamins I should make sourdough cookies. 17:00 tcohen butter cookies 17:00 druthb o.O 17:00 druthb sourdough...cookies? 17:00 oleonard tcohen: I have another patch pending which adds the jQuery cookie plugin, so I would recommend using that as well if it suits your needs 17:01 jcamins druthb: maybe with coconut and curry, for wizzyrea? :) 17:01 tcohen of course 17:01 druthb :D 17:01 tcohen oleonard: which bug is it? 17:01 druthb doesn't sound much like a cookie....some kinda funky macaroon.. 17:02 oleonard tcohen: Bug 3659 17:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Add place hold option from patron checkout tab 17:03 wizzyrea those are the best cookies ever 17:03 wizzyrea they are oatmeal, coconut, and curry 17:03 wizzyrea NOM 17:03 wizzyrea just don't (really, don't) use curry powder with garlic in it 17:03 druthb hehehe 17:03 jcamins wizzyrea: sounds like you learned that from painful experience? 17:04 wizzyrea well, honestly 17:04 wizzyrea I kind of liked it with the garlic 17:04 wizzyrea and the kiddo didn't mind them 17:04 wizzyrea but the hubs wouldn't touch em 17:04 druthb my daughter would consider that the rankest heresy. She *love* garlic. 17:04 wizzyrea garlic in cookies was just not his speed 17:05 wizzyrea we put nuts and dried fruit in those, and they were divine breakfast cookies 17:05 wizzyrea lots of fiber >.> 17:06 tcohen cookies need to have SUGAR 17:07 jcamins wizzyrea: I did that once. They were *very* popular. 17:07 wizzyrea oh these did have sugar 17:07 wizzyrea they do 17:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 108 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #102 6 days 13 hr ago) 17:21 jcamins The bread looks beautiful. And full of character. 17:21 cait photos? ;) 17:22 jcamins It's still in the oven. 17:22 jcamins Once it comes out I can photograph it. ;) 17:23 jcamins Unfortunately the photograph will not capture how amazing it smells. 17:23 cait :) 17:25 tcohen Cake::CaptureSmell 17:28 oleonard I need some help setting up named virtual hosts in a new system I'm setting up 17:29 oleonard The NameVirtualHost line in /etc/apache2/ports.conf should specify the IP:port I specify in koha-httpd.conf's <virtualHost> ? 17:29 oleonard Is that right? 17:29 jcamins Yes. 17:29 jcamins You can also use * instead of an IP. 17:30 oleonard NameVirtualHost * in ports.conf? 17:30 jcamins I think you can do that. 17:30 jcamins That's what I did. 17:31 oleonard Then what do I specify in the <VirtualHost> sections of koha-httpd.conf? 17:33 jcamins * 17:33 wizzyrea ServerName Your Name 17:33 jcamins <VirtualHost *> ServerName ${YOUR_URL} 17:36 oleonard Okay, so now I have in ports.conf, "NameVirtualHost *" and in koha-httpd.conf, "<VirtualHost *> 17:36 oleonard I have specified ServerName 17:37 oleonard But when I restart apache I get "VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing *ports and no-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported" 17:38 oleonard Oh, is that from the 000-default site? 17:38 jcamins Yes. 17:39 jcamins I think it is, anyway. 17:44 jcamins cait: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/189497_649953326409_24800824_36653786_6632498_a.jpg 17:45 oleonard Do I need "NameVirtualHost *" just in ports.conf, or in my other .conf files as well? 17:45 jcamins You should only need one, I think. 17:46 oleonard Do I need a "Listen" somewhere? 17:46 jcamins Would anyone else find it useful to be able to doubleclick on a specific patron when the search for checking out to a patron returns more than one result? 17:46 jcamins oleonard: yes, I think it should look like this: 17:46 jcamins Listen *:80 17:46 jcamins NameVirtualHosts *:80 17:47 jcamins <VirtualHost *:80> 17:47 jcamins (or change the :80 to whatever port you want) 17:47 jcamins (or drop it if you want to leave it at 80, I think) 17:49 druthb * by itself means "all ports we're listening to." I usually use *:80, just to be specific. 17:50 oleonard jcamins++ 17:50 oleonard wizzyrea++ 17:50 oleonard druthb++ 17:50 oleonard Working, thanks! 17:55 jenkins_koha Starting build 109 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #102 6 days 14 hr ago) 17:56 cait @wunder konstanz 17:56 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.3�C (7:00 PM CET on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Rising). 18:00 rangi morning 18:00 rangi i wonder if jenkins will complete or run out of ram again 18:00 mtj morning chris 18:01 rangi hi mtj 18:01 mtj running out of ram is a new thing, since the hudson->jenkins upgrade? 18:02 rangi nope 18:02 rangi it has been doing it a while 18:02 * jcamins distributes pieces of virtual sourdough bread to everyone in #koha 18:02 mtj ah, old thing :) 18:03 rangi its a java thing, its what java does 18:03 rangi eat all your ram 18:03 rangi i think its by design :) 18:04 tcohen oleonard: NameVirtualHost *:80 in ports.conf means you're going to use name-based virtual hosts in your apache's configs 18:04 tcohen in your virtualhost definition, it will try to match the virtualhost name 18:04 tcohen you need one NameVirtualHost declaration for all your vhosts 18:05 tcohen so it is more clear to put it in ports.conf 18:05 tcohen if you put more than one apache will complain of namevirtualhosts definition collision 18:24 rangi nope, there simply isnt enough space for jenkins and bugzilla on the same small linode instance (at least now that we have more tests to run anyway) 18:26 mtj i have a linode, that could host either/or 18:26 mtj its a little 512meg one, so it may choke too 18:27 rangi jenkins is far easier to move 18:27 rangi ill keep that in mind mtj hopefully we get some other offers 18:28 * rangi goes to catch his bus 18:42 jcamins If a particular bib has no items that could ever be checked out by a given patron category, can a patron in that category still place a hold on the item? 18:43 rangi Back 18:43 rangi That was the longest I've waited for a bus in ages 18:44 rangi jcamins: try it and see 18:44 jcamins rangi: good plan. :) 18:45 cait jcamins: I think if you can it's a bug 18:46 rangi Link it off the holds rewrite bug if you file one 18:48 jcamins Will do. 18:48 rangi I sent sekjal a patch for bug 5786 if you wanted to test that too that would be cool 18:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix 18:48 rangi Its not quite ready for primetime, more a sanity check 18:49 jcamins Well, my testing suggests that this works fine. 18:49 rangi Sweet 18:49 * chris_n 's todo list looks like a write-only stack :-P 18:49 jcamins (a patron cannot place a hold on a bib which does not have any items that can be checked out to his/her category) 18:50 cait chris_n: I have one of those too :( 18:50 rangi Yeah mine is growing pretty fast, time to add another dev to the catalyst koha team I think 18:50 rangi Anyone wanna live in wellington? :) 18:51 nengard i do! 18:52 nengard but i'm not a dev 18:52 cait hmpf :) 18:52 jwagner In NZ, yes! not so sure about in Wellington -- those winds were pretty COLD.... 18:54 rangi Bah, that was nothing :) 18:54 jwagner ...says the person who was dressed for the weather.... 18:55 tcohen oleonard, r u ther? 18:55 oleonard Yes 18:55 tcohen do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false? 18:56 tcohen so there can be several cookies set for different users 18:56 tcohen on the same browser 18:57 tcohen $.cookie("marcdocs_<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="borrowernumber" -->",false, { path: "/", expires: 0 }); 18:57 rangi Does it need borrowernumber? 18:57 rangi I guess if its a machine lots of people use 18:57 tcohen each catalogur wants so see/don't see marc doc links 18:58 cait yeah, but are they all working on the same machine? 18:58 tcohen perhaps, one in the morning one in the evening 18:58 tcohen ?? 18:59 tcohen if exposing in such a way the borrowernumbers is a problem for security... 18:59 rangi Id have sep users for the machine, but yeah I guess some libraries might let people share logins 19:00 tcohen what do u think of possible security issues? 19:00 tcohen I think is harmless 19:00 rangi It does make the checking more complex 19:01 tcohen checking? 19:01 oleonard Right, how does the script know the borrowernumber of the logged in user? 19:02 tcohen $template->param(borrowernumber => $loggedinuser); 19:02 rangi The other cookies like language pref, login etc aren't tied to a borrowernumber serverside 19:02 tcohen (in addbiblio.pl) 19:03 rangi Sorry clientside 19:04 rangi My stop bbiab 19:04 tcohen I think is better to do it by borrowernumber 19:04 tcohen perhaps for every setting 19:05 tcohen but for this submission I can be more conservative and stick with the current approach 19:06 tcohen oleonard? 19:06 wahanui1 i guess oleonard is the master UI designer of koha 19:06 oleonard tcohen: I guess I could go either way. 19:07 tcohen alright, i'll leave it per-borrower 19:07 tcohen perhaps someone will patch it later if found not appropriate 19:07 tcohen thanks 19:07 nengard i need help tracking down a bug report - one i thought was fixed (but might not be) 19:07 nengard searching for subjects that have parens in them - does that work or doesn't it? 19:08 tcohen i don't see any drawbacks 19:08 nengard and does anyone know what bug number that was? 19:08 oleonard Bug 5693 was a recent one 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5693 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, if parentheses used in ccode then searches against ccode fail 19:08 oleonard but that's very specific 19:09 nengard bug 2702 19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2702 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED MOVED, Subjects with Parens Causing Issues 19:09 nengard i found it - but what does moved mean? and is it still an issue? 19:09 oleonard Bug 1807 19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results 19:10 oleonard "C4/Search.pm needs a total rewrite and is on the cards for 3.4" 19:10 oleonard Promises, promises, rangi ;) 19:11 rangi i never promised to write it 19:11 * rangi looks at gmcharlt :) 19:12 * gmcharlt still has a month :) 19:12 jwagner Speaking of searching, where would I look to try to exclude (for example) leading French articles Le, La, Les L' from alphabetical sorts? 19:12 cait what about postgres? 19:12 cait only asking because I got a list of questions today - library asking for future safe database 19:12 rangi that wont happen for 3.4 19:12 cait ok 19:12 rangi unless someone does it 19:13 rangi im still hoping to get DBIx::Class::Schema in 19:13 rangi then we are a big step closer, its just fixing all the .sql files (and any mysqlisms in the code) 19:14 rangi future safe is the wrong reason to leave mysql 19:14 rangi its as safe as any db is 19:14 rangi and has many drop in replacements 19:14 cait ok 19:14 rangi which makes it safer than oracle, or sybase 19:15 cait I was wondering where the question came from 19:15 rangi moving from it because oracle are mental is the reason 19:15 cait not sure what they are using now 19:15 mtj ha, thats not saying much, chris :) 19:16 rangi i mean its no less future safe than access, or ms sql 19:16 rangi but its not a true free software project, so thats why im keen to move 19:16 rangi you may have noticed a trend in my thinking :-) 19:17 mtj *nod* 19:17 mtj *nod* 19:17 * gmcharlt checks to see if rms is wearing a rangi mask 19:17 rangi hehe 19:17 rangi actually i strive to emulate bradley kuhn 19:17 rangi i have a long long way to go 19:18 rangi to be a good a man as he is 19:18 rangi i probably need to learn to spell first 19:18 jcamins Does OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown actually do anything? 19:19 mtj pushing for a postgres port, means that the mysql-isms get removed from Koha too, which is another win 19:19 jcamins Ah, found it. 19:19 oleonard This is probably old news to everyone else, but I just read this and found it worthwhile: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html 19:20 rangi it is a good read eh oleonard 19:22 oleonard It helps put some things in context for me, and understand how "open source" can be a slippery slope 19:24 oleonard Alright, installation question: 19:25 oleonard Are there circumstances under which the "sudo -u <kohauser> zebraserv..." command is going to work without permissions errors? 19:26 oleonard Or do I get those because I'm doing a dev install? 19:27 cait jcamins: should put a library pull down next to the search in opac 19:28 cait the simple search, not the advanced search 19:29 oleonard I'm looking at INSTALL.debian step 6.1.1 19:29 jcamins cait: yeah, eventually I tracked it down. Kind of. 19:29 jcamins How do I set checkouts allowed to "unlimited"? 19:29 cait no way 19:29 cait oh 19:29 cait sorry, leave it empty 19:30 cait you can't set maxreserves to unlimited, I was confusing those too for a moment 19:32 cait leaving the reserves empty means null, leaving checkouts empty means unlimitied (afaik) 19:32 oleonard consistency++ 19:33 cait I hear you 19:40 rhcl firebird, firebird, firebird 19:40 rhcl http://www.firebirdsql.org/ 19:41 oleonard The database I would have never heard of if Mozilla hadn't tried to name a browser the same thing. 19:42 rhcl Firebird is a really great database because they have the prettiest web site of any db. 19:43 rangi heh 19:43 * oleonard does a spit take 19:45 bencahill lol 19:45 * gmcharlt blinks, then bills rhcl for some ocular bleach 19:48 * jcamins remembers abruptly why he decided to do all his development in Template::Toolkit. 19:49 rangi yeah, sometime this week, im moving all the tt work into a branch on git.koha-community.org 19:49 rangi and i will be asking for serious testing 19:49 rangi the more testing you do 19:49 rangi the less master will be broken when i merge it 19:49 rangi let that be a warning to you all! :-) 19:50 oleonard I was hoping "the more testing you do" was going to be followed by "the more cookies you'll get" 19:50 * oleonard wherein Koha QA testing peaks at 11AM each day 19:51 rangi ill make you a deal 19:52 rangi a bug found, with a patch to fix it, will get you a cookie 19:52 rangi im expecting little things like a variable in the wrong scope 19:54 cait cookies? 19:54 * druthb perks. 19:54 druthb cookies? 19:56 * cait looks around searching for cookies 19:56 * druthb suggests GeoIP location on jcamins address, to find cookies. 19:57 cait hehe 20:11 NateC Hiya #koha! 20:11 rangi hey NateC 20:11 rangi bbiab 20:21 SharonNEKLS Hi all. Is there an updated version of these tables somewhere? http://www.kohadocs.org/usersguide/apa.html 20:22 SharonNEKLS wizzyrea is out of the office, or I'd just ask her ;-) 20:22 cait what are you looking for? 20:23 SharonNEKLS table names and field names to help write reports. 20:23 jcamins My cat says he likes that appendix. There is not an updated one for Koha 3.2+, I don't think. 20:23 SharonNEKLS That link is to Koha 2.2 documentation 20:23 SharonNEKLS K - we've been using that one for 2 years, suppose we can keep on using it 20:24 cait there is something done by cilea i think 20:24 cait it was on the old wiki 20:24 cait database documentation 20:25 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_E-R_diagrams_and_tables_information_RFC 20:25 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema 20:25 nengard hi SharonNEKLS!!!! 20:26 nengard SharonNEKLS, I have a link in the manual to the db structure of koha 20:26 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;h=9148970ca8a7a44d2846c4c182d05eb460a3df18;hb=HEAD 20:26 SharonNEKLS Thank you - we'll bookmark... 20:27 nengard :) 20:28 SharonNEKLS From Mickey: nicole's is good thank you. that is what i needed. 20:28 * oleonard_ gets chatzilla working on Debian finally 20:28 cait good night all 20:33 * oleonard discovers a new bug. Yay. 20:34 nengard you're welcome Mickey and Sharon :) 20:34 oleonard 1. Do a search in the staff client. 2. Click on an author link in your search results. 3. Re-sort the results of that search. 20:35 SharonNEKLS Oops 20:35 SharonNEKLS Spits me to the Advanced Search page 20:35 rangi i thought that was fixed 20:35 rangi or it might have just been fixed for subjects 20:36 rangi its the link from the author is wrong 20:37 rangi works in the opac eh? 20:38 oleonard Yes 20:38 rangi opac does 20:38 rangi q=au:author 20:38 rangi lemme find out what staff does 20:39 oleonard search.pl?q=au:<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="author" ESCAPE="URL" --> 20:39 rangi the same 20:41 rangi i bet if you change it to idx=au&q=author 20:41 oleonard It's the hidden input that's different 20:41 oleonard In the opac, ccl=au:Smiley, Jane 20:41 rangi right 20:41 oleonard in the staff client au:Smiley, Jane. 20:42 rangi i still think the link should be like this 20:42 rangi http://librarian.opus.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?idx=au&q=test 20:42 rangi not ccl anything 20:42 rangi that link is sortable, and facetable 20:43 rangi ie clicking on the facets actually works 20:43 rangi vs 20:45 rangi http://librarian.opus.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=ccl=au:institution 20:45 rangi click on a facet there 20:45 rangi doesnt do anything 20:45 rangi http://librarian.opus.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?idx=au&q=institution 20:45 rangi click on one there 20:45 rangi and it actually works 20:46 rangi so i reckon the templte should be changed to not do ccl but just have a hidden input idx = au 20:46 rangi sorry no hidden inputs 20:46 rangi just a href of the for idx=au&q=authors name 20:47 * rangi wonders if he is making any sense at all 20:48 oleonard I tried search.pl?idx=au&q=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="author" ESCAPE="URL" --> without success 20:49 jcamins Does "HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn" ring any bells with anyone? 20:49 rangi what about just a & instead of &l 20:49 rangi amp; even 20:49 * rangi doesnt think browswers interpret html in a url (i could be wrong tho) 20:51 oleonard Actually, did my edit take? 20:51 * oleonard checks again 20:52 rangi id try it with just an & too 20:52 SharonNEKLS jcamins we couldn't find it searching sysprefs, but it was crucial to getting our test install to behave correctly. 20:53 * oleonard should have known it was his own error when evidence suggested rangi was wrong :P 20:53 jcamins SharonNEKLS: hm. Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't find that syspref. What happened when it wasn't in your system? 20:54 oleonard Your suggested change was correct rangi 20:54 SharonNEKLS we didn't get the "please return to" prompt to let folks know when to send books back to their homebranch for re-shelving. 20:54 rangi yay! 20:54 SharonNEKLS It's stored under "local use" 20:55 jcamins Ah-ha. 20:55 jcamins Thank you! 20:55 SharonNEKLS np 20:56 rangi http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Outdoor-garden-conservatory/Landscaping-materials/Stones-rocks/auction-357989041.htm 20:56 rangi the kiwi attitude 20:56 SharonNEKLS lol 20:57 oleonard That is an awesome rock. 20:58 rangi on a more serious note 2 mins silence at 12:51pm today, thats the time the quake hit one week ago 20:58 rangi 2 hours and 47 mins from now 20:58 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/4715113/Christchurch-earthquake-A-week-on-a-nation-mourns 21:11 SharonNEKLS rangi - do System logins for SIP connections have to be Staff accounts or can they be plain-jane adult accounts? 21:12 rangi pass 21:13 SharonNEKLS damn 21:15 SharonNEKLS We will email our helpful new support vendor... 21:17 nengard :) 21:21 rhcl the SIP connections have to have admin accounts 21:22 SharonNEKLS We will leave those as Staff, but we are taking all 'staff people' and making them regular adult patrons, so they can be guarnators and change their own passwords. 21:23 rhcl ? not sure I understand. Staff members can change their passwords certainly. 21:24 SharonNEKLS Not in our current set up. 21:24 rhcl Well, you need a new setup. :) 21:24 SharonNEKLS that's the plan 21:26 rhcl In the olden days some libraries had framed art and even, like sculptures for checkout. Does Koha have any functionality for that? 21:26 jcamins rhcl: You can catalog realia with MARC. 21:26 jcamins And you can certainly check out realia... that's how they did registration at KohaCon. 21:41 rhcl I should catalog my collection of wildlife art. 21:47 jcamins Sounds like a good idea to me. 21:52 * jcamins is biased, being a cataloger. 21:55 * druthb heard of a library school where one of your cataloging exercises was to catalog yourself. Friend of mine put his parents in 780s, his child in 785, and "God" in 100. 21:58 gmcharlt what did he put in the 310? 21:58 druthb @marc 310 21:58 huginn druthb: The current stated publication frequency of either an item or an update to an item. Dates are included when the beginning date of the current frequency is not the same as the beginning date of publication. These data are related to coded data in field 008/18 (Frequency) and 008/19 (Regularity). [a,b,6,8] 21:58 druthb lol 21:59 * gmcharlt wonders what theory of soul is implied by using title changes to represent relationships between parents and children ;) 22:00 * druthb catalogs her cat, with extent "20 pounds, approx." and 650 $aDestruction of the Universe 22:02 jcamins gmcharlt: better that than 740, don't you think? 22:03 rhcl @marc 740 22:03 huginn rhcl: Contains related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title)). (Repeatable) [a,h,n,p,5,6,8] 22:03 gmcharlt jcamins: true, since you'd just have to edit the record again after nine months 22:04 rhcl ah, 740 where the cat should go--mine never listens to me 23:33 jcamins Good night, #kona