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mtj |
hdl: about still? |
| 00:07 |
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mtj |
(mc-CCODE,phr:MATAHI) returns some results.. |
| 00:07 |
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hdl |
mtj: still awake |
| 00:07 |
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mtj |
but (mc-CCODE,ext:MATAHI) gives a zebrasrv error |
| 00:08 |
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hdl |
do you have edited your record.abs to add ccode:p |
| 00:08 |
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hdl |
? |
| 00:08 |
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hdl |
AND reindexed ? |
| 00:08 |
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mtj |
yes, and yes |
| 00:09 |
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mtj |
melm 952$8 ccode:w,ccode:p |
| 00:09 |
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mtj |
melm 952$8 ccode:w,ccode: p |
| 00:09 |
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hdl |
grab your default.idx and see whether completeness 1 for p index |
| 00:09 |
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mtj |
shall i remove the ccode:w , perhaps? |
| 00:10 |
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mtj |
yep |
| 00:10 |
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mtj |
index p |
| 00:11 |
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mtj |
completeness 1 |
| 00:12 |
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mtj |
hmm, my search with ext is .. |
| 00:12 |
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mtj |
13:11:24-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 MATAHI |
| 00:12 |
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mtj |
but default.idx says... |
| 00:13 |
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mtj |
# Phrase index |
| 00:13 |
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mtj |
# Used if completeness is 'complete {sub}field' (@attr 6=2, @attr 6=1) |
| 00:13 |
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mtj |
no mention of '@attr 6=3' |
| 00:14 |
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mtj |
. |
| 00:14 |
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mtj |
mason xen1:~/koha/k3/etc/zebradb$ grep -ir '6=3' ./* |
| 00:14 |
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mtj |
./ccl.properties:startswithnt 3=1 5=101 6=3 |
| 00:14 |
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mtj |
./ccl.properties:complete-field 6=3 |
| 00:14 |
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mtj |
./ccl.properties:ext 4=1 6=3 |
| 00:15 |
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mtj |
./pqf.properties:position.firstAndLast = 3=3 6=3 |
| 00:16 |
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hdl |
change 6=3 to 6=2 in ccl.properties just for a test |
| 00:16 |
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wahanui |
hdl: that doesn't look right |
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mtj |
ive done that , the query is different now, but still an error |
| 00:23 |
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hdl |
can you get the error code ? |
| 00:23 |
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mtj |
13:25:08-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=2 MATAHI |
| 00:24 |
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mtj |
i havent reindexed yet tho |
| 00:24 |
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hdl |
you neednt |
| 00:24 |
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hdl |
do you have a yaz-client ? |
| 00:24 |
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mtj |
yep |
| 00:25 |
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hdl |
try without f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=3 MATAHI |
| 00:26 |
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hdl |
without attr 4 |
| 00:27 |
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mtj |
ok, attr 4=1 was the phr type search, i think? |
| 00:27 |
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hdl |
it is :p |
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* chris_n |
greets gmcharlt |
| 00:32 |
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mtj |
hdl: sorry, remembering how to auth to zebra , using yazclient... :/ |
| 00:32 |
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hdl |
you needn't get authenticated |
| 00:32 |
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hdl |
base biblios |
| 00:32 |
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hdl |
then search |
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rangi |
i see gmcharlt made it to canada |
| 00:35 |
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mtj |
Z> f 1=8009 @attr 6=3 MATAHI |
| 00:35 |
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mtj |
^ |
| 00:35 |
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mtj |
Prefix query error: extra token (code 1) |
| 00:37 |
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mtj |
it errors on 6=3 and 6=2 too |
| 00:38 |
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mtj |
looks more... |
| 00:44 |
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mtj |
interesting... |
| 00:45 |
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mtj |
6=1 works ok, but 6=2 and 6=3 dont, for me.. |
| 00:45 |
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mtj |
Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=1 MATAKI , is successfull |
| 00:45 |
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mtj |
. |
| 00:45 |
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mtj |
Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 6=2 MATAKI |
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mtj |
Sent searchRequest. |
| 00:46 |
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mtj |
Received SearchResponse. |
| 00:46 |
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mtj |
Search was a bloomin' failure. |
| 00:46 |
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mtj |
Number of hits: 0, setno 14 |
| 00:46 |
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mtj |
Result Set Status: none |
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mtj |
records returned: 0 |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
Diagnostic message(s) from database: |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
[114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8009' |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
Elapsed: 0.000354 |
| 00:47 |
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mtj |
so my 'ext' mapping isnt correct, i guess |
| 00:54 |
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thd |
indradg: are you here and awake? |
| 00:54 |
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mtj |
hdl: ok cheers, i think ive got enuff info to start debugging my koha |
| 00:54 |
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hdl |
mtj: sorry |
| 00:54 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]35132756d01bfadd3> |
| 00:55 |
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rangi |
meeting bbiab |
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hdl |
mtj: should be either 6=2 or 6=3 with 4=1 |
| 00:55 |
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hdl |
problem is to find the correct combination |
| 00:56 |
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hdl |
since zebra is not forgiving |
| 00:56 |
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mtj |
right, ok |
| 00:57 |
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mtj |
i might ask you to look on a BL koha , with your fix running sometime |
| 00:58 |
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hudsonbot |
Starting build 335 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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gmcharlt is now known as identify |
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identify is now known as gmcharlt |
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chris_n |
heya brendan_ |
| 01:17 |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: identity crisis? |
| 01:19 |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: just kicking bip |
| 01:19 |
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chris_n |
ahh... I had a bip-kicking session earlier am |
| 01:23 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Are you in Canada now? |
| 01:23 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: yep |
| 01:23 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: what part? |
| 01:23 |
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gmcharlt |
Toronto |
| 01:25 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: How does it compare to Florida this time of year? |
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gmcharlt is now known as icicle |
| 01:25 |
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icicle |
I don't melt, for one |
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icicle is now known as gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder toronto |
| 01:26 |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 01:26 |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder toronto, on |
| 01:26 |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 01:26 |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder toronto, ontario |
| 01:26 |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is -8.0�C (8:24 PM EST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 01:26 |
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hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #335: SUCCESS in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/335/ |
| 01:26 |
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hudsonbot |
Chris Cormack: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch |
| 01:27 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Have you had favourable interactions with people from GPLS over OpenNCIP? |
| 01:28 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: it's on the back burner; fair amount going on with Evergreen's application to join the SFC |
| 01:29 |
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thd |
SFC? |
| 01:29 |
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gmcharlt |
software freedom conservancy |
| 01:30 |
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thd |
Oh yes, I have not been reading most any mailing lists. |
| 01:31 |
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* chris_n |
was in toronto last year this time |
| 01:31 |
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chris_n |
enjoyed a bitof sight seeing at niagara while I was there |
| 01:39 |
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mtj |
weirder still, i can search OK using 'ext' on a title, in zebra |
| 01:39 |
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mtj |
Z> f @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 Listening |
| 01:39 |
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mtj |
1=4 is title , btw... |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
but using an 'ext' search on ccode (8009), gives an error... |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
Z> f @attr 1=8009 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 Listening |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
Sent searchRequest. |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
Received SearchResponse. |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
Search was a bloomin' failure. |
| 01:40 |
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mtj |
Number of hits: 0, setno 13 |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
Result Set Status: none |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
records returned: 0 |
| 01:41 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: when is the next SFC board meeting at which Evergreen might be accepted? |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
Diagnostic message(s) from database: |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
[114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '8009' |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
. |
| 01:42 |
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mtj |
so ?somehow? the zebra config has allowed 'ext' searching on title, but not ccode? |
| 01:42 |
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mtj |
i need to track down where thats defined :/ |
| 01:42 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: the app has been approved by the SFC and invitation has been extended; project is in discussions about it; see archives at http://list.georgialibraries.o[…]een-governance-l/ if you're curious |
| 01:43 |
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thd |
I have been looking at the list in the past few minutes but was not certain which thread is most relevant to the current discussion. |
| 01:45 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: I am most interested in how the people vs. institution issue works out for membership, http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuw[…]cture:draft_rules . |
| 01:48 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Would institutions be members and also significant contributors who are members of the institution separately/ |
| 01:48 |
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thd |
? |
| 01:48 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: that's still a bit unsettled |
| 01:48 |
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gmcharlt |
the SFC treats projects as collections of individuals |
| 01:49 |
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gmcharlt |
a more instituion-based model was advocated by some on the EG gov committee |
| 01:49 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: That issue came up again momentarily at the #koha meeting today. |
| 01:50 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: not surprising; it's I think one of the inherent dichotomies in library OSS projects |
| 01:51 |
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thd |
gmcharlt: I personally like people with explicitly known affiliations but I understand that people at small libraries do not want to be outvoted by the larger staff of large libraries. |
| 01:51 |
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thd |
s/staff/staff\/significant patrons/ |
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druthb |
evenin, #koha. |
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mtj |
i think zebra may have p0wnd my brain this arvo |
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rangi |
@later tell chris_n thanks for the fix and signoff |
| 02:59 |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora |
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mtj |
heya Brooke_ |
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* Brooke_ |
smiles at the mtj |
| 03:21 |
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Brooke_ |
your initials sound like a freeway in California. |
| 03:27 |
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Brooke_ |
http://xkcd.com/850/ |
| 03:27 |
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jransom |
just told microsoft phone operator that his companies phone maze sucks the life force of me |
| 03:27 |
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jransom |
i HATE them |
| 03:28 |
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mtj |
jransom: yep, its part of their design spec ;) |
| 03:31 |
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rangi |
hi Brooke_ |
| 03:31 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug: 4263 - Repeatable subfields in items <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9b297cb172b3ce3df> |
| 03:31 |
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* Brooke_ |
salutes Rangi |
| 03:38 |
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jransom |
I can feel my life force being sucked out of me ..... find myself using clipped 1 syllable words now |
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Brooke_ |
it's part of being a Duhrector |
| 03:39 |
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Brooke_ |
soon you'll find a black glove on your hand |
| 03:39 |
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Brooke_ |
it's natural. |
| 03:40 |
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Brooke_ |
okay, fine, it's twitter. |
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hudsonbot |
Starting build 336 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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rangi |
http://www.maconch.com/feature[…]w-software-system |
| 03:49 |
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Brooke_ |
tee hee |
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Brooke_ |
if only I knew the mind behind the move! |
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Brooke_ |
ahoy there kmkale |
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kmkale |
hey Brooke_ |
| 04:06 |
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kmkale |
Namaskar #koha |
| 04:06 |
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Brooke_ |
namaste |
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kmkale |
wow Brooke_ how did ya know that? |
| 04:07 |
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hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #336: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/336/ |
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hudsonbot |
Chris Cormack: Bug: 4263 - Repeatable subfields in items |
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Brooke_ |
>.> |
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Brooke_ |
<.< |
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cait |
hi all |
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* kmkale |
waves at cait |
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cait |
hi kmkale |
| 06:24 |
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thd |
kmkale: What about the 'not good' but cheap accommodations in Thane? |
| 06:25 |
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kmkale |
There are too many. |
| 06:25 |
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kmkale |
Cant find website links |
| 06:26 |
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kmkale |
but if we do decide on Thane, I intend to visit the better and good ones and set up a booking system |
| 06:27 |
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kmkale |
Also if you fancy, all the major international 5 / 7 stars in Mumbai are within 15km distance from the college campus |
| 06:27 |
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thd |
kmkale: A few hours ago I found some prices for Mumbai lower than anywhere except Somerset. |
| 06:27 |
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kmkale |
:) |
| 06:27 |
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kmkale |
thd: the exchange rates work in your favour when you visit us |
| 06:28 |
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thd |
kmkale: I thought that India and Nepal would have the very lowest prices to offset for the higher air fare from the US. |
| 06:28 |
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thd |
kmkale: Where do local people without much money stay/ |
| 06:29 |
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thd |
? |
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kmkale |
thd: there are lots of small inns. good clean rooms with air conditioning about 1000/- INR |
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kmkale |
thats approx 20USD |
| 06:30 |
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kmkale |
& even cheaper Non air conditioned ones. But I wont have you try those ;) |
| 06:30 |
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thd |
I found some of those a few hours ago. |
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kmkale |
thd: do share the links you found |
| 06:35 |
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thd |
kmkale: http://www.hostels.com/findabe[…]ry=India&Search=1 |
| 06:38 |
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kmkale |
thd: there are similar hotels in Thane. Closer to the campus than these. Will try to get accommodation organized as per requirements / budgets if we decide on Thane |
| 06:39 |
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kmkale |
Also there is just a administrative boundry between Thane and Mumbai. Its a continuous cityscape so hotel choice is really wide. |
| 06:41 |
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thd |
kmkale: Please try to alter the wiki page listing to include a lower range of prices or some may decide against Thane falsely. |
| 06:41 |
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fredericd |
interesting... |
| 06:41 |
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fredericd |
hi all |
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kmkale |
thd: ok |
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fredericd |
is there accomaodation near the campus? |
| 06:41 |
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thd |
Hello fredericd |
| 06:41 |
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kmkale |
fredericd: yes |
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fredericd |
thd: glad to meet you here and soon in Thane... |
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thd |
fredericd: I may favour Kolkata with the National Library. |
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thd |
However, as I told nengard yesterday, eventually there will be a KohaCon everywhere. |
| 06:48 |
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fredericd |
thd: at the same time? |
| 06:48 |
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fredericd |
I'd prefer to go to Nepal... |
| 06:49 |
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thd |
fredericd: No, eventually every significant place will have a chance to host KohaCon in different years. |
| 06:50 |
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fredericd |
New York would be nice also |
| 06:51 |
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thd |
I am very interested in seeing places where library metadata standards and practises are most different from what is familiar to me. |
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thd |
fredericd: New York would be nice but accommodation is maximally expensive for anyone who does not have a small place with some rent control. |
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francharb |
hello all |
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kf |
good mornig #koha |
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kf |
hi paul_p and hdl |
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hdl |
hi all |
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paul_p |
hello kf & al |
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Oak |
\o |
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paul_p |
nengard++ |
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paul_p |
for the opacprivacy video |
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thd |
kmkale: I have a question about what I saw in your Koha installations. |
| 09:04 |
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kmkale |
yes thd ? |
| 09:04 |
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wahanui1 |
thd is concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option. We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server. |
| 09:05 |
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thd |
kmkale: not what the bot said. |
| 09:06 |
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kmkale |
got it. please ask your question.. |
| 09:06 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2341: items marked 'on order' not reserveable from search results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7852018caa04de76f> |
| 09:07 |
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thd |
kmkale: one thing I noticed is that your category links bring up a blank Open Office spreadsheet in my webroser. |
| 09:07 |
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kmkale |
which site thd? |
| 09:07 |
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thd |
s/my webrowser/Iceweasel/ |
| 09:08 |
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kmkale |
1 min on call |
| 09:08 |
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thd |
http://59.165.133.196/ |
| 09:09 |
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kmkale |
aye thats a WIP |
| 09:09 |
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kmkale |
where did you get it? |
| 09:10 |
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thd |
kmkale: It is linked from http://www.orientalthane.com/ |
| 09:10 |
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kmkale |
what the hell |
| 09:11 |
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kmkale |
ouch. Will ask the web admin to change it asap. Thanks thd |
| 09:11 |
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thd |
kmkale: Your welcome |
| 09:11 |
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thd |
kmkale: The flash advertisement for the book delivery service seemed very interesting. |
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kmkale |
:) its a young enterprenure's dream project |
| 09:12 |
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kmkale |
helping him with Koha |
| 09:12 |
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thd |
kmkale: Is there much interest in personal delivery services in India? |
| 09:13 |
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1 min on call again :( |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c1448d5f8b2d6b7f2> / Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9a31d77c2cbe40a7f> / Bug 5673: test guarantorid consistently <http://git.koha-community.org |
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kmkale: are you still on telephone? |
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thd: Sorry, that call led to a full fledged conference call meeting. |
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thd: re personal book delivery services I am working with two independent entrepreneurs from different cities. Both planning to set this up with Koha |
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bug 5670 is very interesting |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5670 enhancement, P5, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, Housebound Readers Module |
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Chris Cormack: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge |
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thd |
kmkale: Does Abhay Kambli have an office in the US? |
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thd: not that I know of. Why? |
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kmkale: Maybe the name is common but I found someone of that name with an office in New York. |
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kmkale: http://www.spoke.com/info/p8dzjrk/AbhayKambli |
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kmkale: Will Abhay Kambli be at KohaCon wherever it may be held at least if it is somewhere in South Asia? |
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cant tell without a photo. Will ask him |
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thd: no clue. I have advised him to be a subscriber to Koha mailing lists many times. So far he hasn't |
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thd: do you know this person? |
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kmkale: no but I like the idea of Koha being put to use in the books business. |
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thd: books business? Its a home lending library |
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kmkale: Well yes but there is a rental fee. |
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kmkale: The idea that there is a fee involved seems very much like the books business to me. |
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kmkale: There is also a delivery service which libraries do not generally do. |
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thd: every circulating library here charges a monthly fee |
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kmkale: Well I suppose that is one more reason to see South Asia and discover such differences. |
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kmkale: Subscription libraries are rare in the part of the world with which I am familiar. |
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kmkale: Most library services in the part of the world with which I am familiar are financed by some institution or governmental body. User fees are reserved for special services such as photocopies but never ordinary lending. |
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kmkale: The delivery service attracted my attention. Are delivery services customarily provided by libraries in your area? |
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yay!! my net connection :( |
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kmkale: The delivery service attracted my attention. Are delivery services customarily provided by libraries in your area? |
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thd: currently there are no libraries offering delivery services in my area ( at least that I know of) |
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thd: that is why this project was very interesting to me |
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kmkale: Are home based lending libraries common? |
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thd: the other person I spoke has some very interesting ideas beyond this, but I cant discuss them right now till he launches it |
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kmkale |
thd: home based lending meaning books delivered to home? then no |
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kmkale |
thd: but if you mean I can take a book home, then yes |
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kmkale: Home based meaning people with about a thousand books at home setting up a fee based lending library. |
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thd: yes. there are small fee based lending library in almost every major housing cluster |
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kmkale: Are other public library provisions too insufficient to meet public demand for books? |
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thd: even the large, funded public libraries like mgst.in are fee based |
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kmkale |
there are not many large public libraries. Commuting to them is a problem, so people prefer the smaller ones close to home |
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kmkale |
large public libraries are so under funded that there is hardly any computerization |
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kmkale |
whereever the libraries have done computerization at all, its based on some home grown software ( most probabely foxpro based or ms access at most) |
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these software have no concept of standard cataloging. |
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when I do conversions for Granthalaya.org project, I find the catalog consists of 8 to 10 columns in a register or excel or foxpro or access |
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kmkale: I have seen such a catalogue at a US library once in rural Maine. |
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kmkale |
no large public libraries can afford to employ properly qualified librarian staff |
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kmkale |
so when we take Koha to them, the catalog is a noghtmare for them ;) |
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kmkale: Even in the US, public libraries often rely upon donations from wealthy benefactors to provide computers, buildings, etc. |
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kmkale |
s/noghtmare/nightmare/ |
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thd: here too |
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kmkale |
but the money is totally inadequate |
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kmkale: You need wealthier benefactors. |
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kmkale |
:) we have lots of wealthy people. problem is they are not benefactors |
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kmkale: Indian libraries should apply for assistance from the Gates foundation. |
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thd: true. that will make the M$ tax useful |
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kmkale: The Gates foundation has bought computers for many US libraries even if they come with MS Windows that is better than no computers. |
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kmkale: Often the problem is merely knowing whom to ask. There may be other foundations interested in supporting libraries internationally with recycled computers without insisting on proprietary software as part of the gift. |
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kmkale |
our public libraries need to interact with librarians from abrod. They are totally blind as to the possibilities |
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kmkale: You might be able to obtain some business from awakening the blind. |
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kmkale |
how many librarians from India have you come across? And how many of these were from public libraries? |
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kmkale |
Typicall the public libraries are managed by trusts run by really old people who think computers are not needed to run a library. |
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they are only interested in maintening their fiefdom |
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kmkale: I have met many students from India an Packistan who were amongst my best customers in my former bookshop. Yet, I may never have met a librarian from India. |
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But yes this could be a good thing to take up. Funding for public libraries. |
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kmkale: Computers are not essential for basic library services. However, young people the world over ignore anything which is not accessible via computer. |
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kmkale |
thd: 100 yrs plus old libraries running on cardex. Dont know how many books and patrons they have. Forget about finding non popoualr books fast |
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kmkale: Computers are necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture. |
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IMHO computers are necessary in this day and age period. |
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Anyway. Gotta run. Another meeting coming up. |
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hello everybody |
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greetings from almeria, spain |
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hi cirbic |
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cirbic |
I´m writing the migrating project of our library |
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and I´d like to write something about the development history of KOHA |
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cirbic |
wherer could I find something like that? |
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from 1999 when Katipo made the first installation |
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until now |
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cirbic |
I found something in Wikipedia, but I´d like to put something more |
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nobody can help me?¿ |
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@quote random |
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gmcharlt: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:20 PM, December 22, 2009) |
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@quote random |
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druthb: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 03:39 PM, March 04, 2010) |
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They give the appearance of being fairly-commited to not liking vendors and developers much, yes. I don't know if that's their intention, to appear that way, but it certainly doesn't encourage *me* to want to go. |
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New commit(s) kohagit32: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2f2a60bc9f3352c5c> / Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9046866a5ad45243b> / Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios <http://git.koha-c |
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Trying to figure out how to automate the identify nonsense, sigh. Got it working in Chatzilla but can't figure out how to do it in mIRC |
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waves to oleonard. |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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hands the velcro back to druthb |
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jwagner |
One of my users found this message from 2008: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/013387.html |
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jwagner |
The problem reported there still seems to be in place, but I can't find a bugzilla entry. Does anyone recognize this one? |
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jwagner |
Fines aren't displaying in the fines column of the OPAC My Summary page -- they do show on the My Fines tab |
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I very vaguely remember some discussion about account types and hardcoding a very long time ago |
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a rather complicated mess to sort out iirc |
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jwagner |
I just looked at the code on current head, and it's reading the same way the 2008 message says. A test record with overdues accrued in fines.pl doesn't show that amount on the OPAC screen. |
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chris_n |
it definitely needs a bug if it does not have one |
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jwagner |
I couldn't find a bugzilla entry, but bugzilla and I don't seem to get along -- my searching skills don't match its entries :-( |
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chris_n |
you might search the irc log for discussion on it |
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jwagner |
not having much luck there, either.... Not my day for good search results. |
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jwagner |
I'll go ahead & create a bugzilla entry. |
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here's a bit of discussion about what they account types mean: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]06-12-03#i_141743 |
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chris_n |
seems it is a bit of lore as to what they all mean |
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chris_n |
here's a bit of conversation which suggests they are hardcoded: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-07-10#i_272959 |
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* Chris Cormack: Bug 4931: Stocking can be by homebranch or holding branch |
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* Fr?d?ric Demians: Bug 3212 Force leader 9 position to 'a' for new biblios |
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* Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3319 - Need error message when adding patron and libraries are defined |
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* Chris Cormack: Fixing a syntax error, that snuck in with a merge |
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jwagner |
They're definitely hardcoded in the current scripts. I'm not sure of the implications of changing the scripts, though. |
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chris_n |
heh... |
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chris_n |
here's jwagner at a similar point with accouttypes: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-10-08#i_317863 |
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chris_n |
last year |
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chris_n |
opp |
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chris_n |
brain's not awake yet |
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jwagner |
That jwagner is an inquisitive type... |
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jwagner |
This is a slightly different problem, though. I know (now) what the different accounttypes are, just not why the OPAC won't display them. See new Bug 5688 |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5688 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, OPAC My Summary tab fines column doesn't display accruing fines |
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bbl |
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pfff, wide character... error.... |
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cirbic |
hello everyone |
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cirbic |
one question |
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cirbic |
which is the difference between www.koha-community.org and koha.org? |
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jcamins |
koha-community.org is the website for the Koha that we all know and love. |
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jcamins |
koha.org is not. |
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cirbic |
I live in spain |
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cirbic |
and there´s an official document |
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tcohen |
cirbic: hola |
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cirbic |
that literally says: "Liblime leads the Koha community" |
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cirbic |
is that right? |
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jcamins |
No. |
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cirbic |
tcohen: español? |
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tcohen |
si |
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tcohen |
liblime fue comprada por una empresa que se llama PTFS |
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jcamins |
DELETE FROM biblio WHERE biblionumber<118000 is a bad idea, isn't it? |
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jcamins |
Yes, it is. |
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jcamins: it depends :-D |
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tcohen: my goal is to do exactly that, but I think that particular command is very slow. |
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tcohen |
mm |
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tcohen |
perhaps you can copy the valid registers to a new table, truncate and copy back |
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tcohen |
(if you're using file per table on mysql, of course) |
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jcamins |
Well, I'll wait and see what happens. |
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jcamins |
Anyone know how to use IN to get all the numbers in a certain range in MySQL? |
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jcamins |
Never mind. I got it. |
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Yay, one of my oldest outstanding patches was pushed. Bug 3319 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3319 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Need a nicer error message when attempting to add a patron with no libraries defined |
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jcamins |
1301Undefined subroutine &MARC::Record::carp called at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Record.pm line 565. |
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jcamins |
Does rebuild_zebra not work if you have more than 1000 records to index? |
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jcamins |
That doesn't seem quite right, somewhow. |
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jcamins: we have more than 60K in one library here |
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tcohen: I know. |
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jcamins |
I'm working with a catalog of 160k. |
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jcamins |
But rebuild_zebra only reports indexing 1000 records from the zebraqueue. |
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tcohen |
ahh, zebraqueue stuff |
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wizzyrea |
hm no brooke. |
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jcamins |
I never thought I'd say this, but... maybe SOLR is a good idea. |
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wizzyrea |
!! no sekjal! |
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comforts wizzyrea... I think sekjal is out demoing Koha today. |
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wizzyrea |
oooh cool |
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wizzyrea |
well I can let him do that I guess :) |
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had a kudos question for him |
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oleonard |
So much for my advice not to install Koha 2.2.9 on Windows... |
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jcamins |
oleonard: ? |
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oleonard |
On the Koha list |
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jcamins |
I remember your message, but was there a further response? |
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jcamins |
I don't see anything. |
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kf |
jwagner: fines2.pl does not exist in current Koha - sould be fines.pl (reading your bug 5688) |
| 15:18 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5688 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, OPAC My Summary tab fines column doesn't display accruing fines |
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oleonard |
It must have come to me first |
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jwagner |
kf, sorry, didn't clean up that bit. I was looking at fines.pl on current head this morning. |
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kf |
ah ok, reading back now |
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kf |
didn't see the discussion aroudn that before |
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jwagner |
kf, if you have a patron record with overdue fines, I'd like it if you could doublecheck the problem. The code doesn't look to have changed, but my test server setup isn't always reliable on the patron data. |
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briceSanc |
is it the new irc ? |
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wizzyrea |
yep :) |
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briceSanc |
cool, so : hello all ! |
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briceSanc |
what's wrong with the old irc ? |
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wizzyrea |
the contact we had at the company that was hosting the IRC doesn't work there anymore |
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wizzyrea |
so we had no "hands on the ground" when it went down |
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briceSanc |
ok, i understand |
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fcapo |
So that's why nobody was responding when I was talking on that other IRC :P |
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wizzyrea |
:) yep |
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* oleonard |
didn't even know it was back up |
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fcapo |
Anyways, to repeat what I trid to say on the old IRC: I think I found what caused my "Some search results appear as 'No title' when Zebra is rebuilt with marcxml" problem I had. |
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fcapo |
Some of my biblios had 00 at position 20 and 21 of their leader, which made zebra return invalid usmarc records |
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fcapo |
See http://www.itsmarc.com/crs/Bib1486.htm |
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fcapo |
It should always be 45. any other value seems to make the item not appear correctly in search results when zebra is indexed using marcxml or when using zebraqueue |
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jcamins |
fcapo: but the records showed up correctly when you indexed without -x? |
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fcapo |
yes |
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fcapo |
because the usmarc record in the marc column of biblioitems seems to always have these leader values set to 45 |
| 15:52 |
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fcapo |
but the marcxml columns is kept as is |
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jcamins |
Oh, I see. |
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jcamins |
Interesting. |
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fcapo |
I'll just copy what I tried to say on the old IRC, it will be easier : |
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fcapo |
So when I index using rebuild_zebra.pl -x, the marcxml column with the incorrect leader values is sent to zebra, but when the search results are send back to koha, they are converted to usmarc. With the leader now incorrect, invalid marc records are returned. |
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fcapo |
Still, I find it strange that when the search results are converted from marcxml to usmarc, these leader values weren't automatically set to 45 since they are supposed to be system-generated... |
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fcapo |
I still don't know if it was the ZOOM library or Zebra itself that made the conversion to usmarc. It might be a bug in one of those. |
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rangi |
i dont think its a bug in those |
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rangi |
zebra should not change what you tell it to index |
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rangi |
if you send it an invalid record to index |
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rangi |
thats the problem |
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rangi |
we should fix our marcxml |
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rangi |
fcapo: the system that should be generating them is koha, zebra is an indexing engine, it shouldnt change values, just index them and return them |
| 16:17 |
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jcamins |
fcapo: this isn't the problem you were running into, but see bug 5683 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 16:17 |
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jcamins |
We haven't had the most strenuous of checks in the past. |
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jcamins |
(and still don't... just as soon as I figure out how to write tests for that sort of thing I will) |
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rangi |
jcamins: naw, its the leader in the marcxml is wrong |
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rangi |
but it will be somethign we (koha) are doing |
| 16:18 |
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rangi |
most likely letting people save invalid leaders :) |
| 16:18 |
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jcamins |
rangi: I know. I was using that to point out that Koha will happily save invalid MARCXML. |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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fcapo |
Well, marcxml doesn't really need these leader informations anyways. The problem just happens when we return those records as usmarc without changing the leader. |
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rangi |
marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml |
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rangi |
it should be roundtrippable and remain the same |
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rangi |
converting from one to the other, should not change the values |
| 16:26 |
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fcapo |
true |
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rangi |
so i think we have to fix koha, to not save an invalid leader (for this case at least) |
| 16:27 |
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fcapo |
anyways, thanks for the feedbacks, as a temporary fix, I'll modify my importation scripts so 45 gets forced in leader positions 20 and 21 :P |
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rangi |
my @warnings = $record->warnings(); |
| 16:28 |
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rangi |
might be worth looking at what that contains |
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fcapo |
Just hoping none of my users will set an incorrect leader manually when creating new records :P |
| 16:29 |
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rangi |
yup, thats what i mean, we should at least attempt to catch that |
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rangi |
:) |
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druthb |
jcamins++ |
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druthb |
@karma jcamins |
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huginn |
druthb: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 45 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 44. |
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jcamins |
rangi: any idea how to get a sum of payments from the statistics table? |
| 17:14 |
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jcamins |
Wait. |
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jcamins |
statistics.value is a double. |
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jcamins |
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why won't it work? |
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wizzyrea |
uhoh did we just witness jcamins having a meltdown? |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: yeah, but don't worry. |
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jcamins |
This was only my third today. :) |
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wizzyrea |
O.O |
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druthb |
he's having a rough day. |
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druthb |
Working for an ILS vendor would be a lot more fun, except for these darn squirrely customers. ;-) |
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jcamins |
Apparently 10+10+10+10+10+15 == 1430. |
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wizzyrea |
! |
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druthb |
for a suitably-large value of fifteen, yes. |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
you just did a select sum() eh? |
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pastebot0 |
"jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "Troublesome query" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/137 |
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jcamins |
Huh. |
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jcamins |
When I take out accoutlines it works. |
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jcamins |
*accountlines |
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kf |
I have a report fines per borrower somewhere.... would that help something? |
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jcamins |
kf: I'm able to get the sum of fines outstanding, the difficulty is going to be getting the sum of payments PLUS the sum of additional fines. |
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jcamins |
(from a particular time period) |
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rangi |
oh yeah, that query wont work jcamins |
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jcamins |
rangi: I noticed. :( |
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jcamins |
My VM made a lovely keening noise when I tried, though. ;) |
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rangi |
left join |
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rangi |
you dont want that |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. |
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rangi |
you understand the difference with joins? |
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kf |
ah |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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druthb |
rangi++ |
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rangi |
cool, so ill say no more :) |
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kf |
probably need a union? |
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rangi |
or a straight join |
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kf |
so one side in both tables can be null? |
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rangi |
thats what a left join does |
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rangi |
it might be even easier to do it as a subquery |
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kf |
I normally do that, I always confuse the joins |
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rangi |
it might be just me, but i think as mohan didnt show for the meeting, its a bit late to be asking to change the way the voting works |
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kf |
no, it's not you |
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kf |
and I don't think we should change it |
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kf |
it has already started and it would be confusing |
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jcamins |
I agree. |
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jcamins |
You're right, incidentally. Subquery would be better. |
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kf |
I didn't understand all of his mail - what was the part about vote by country not institution? |
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jcamins |
I have put it on my to-do list, for some other time. |
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rangi |
kf: he wants it weighted presumably so that people from some countries votes count for more than others |
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druthb |
madness. |
| 17:33 |
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rangi |
i think its an overreaction to the fact that lots of ppl in india will vote for it in india |
| 17:33 |
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rangi |
which is ummm kinda the point |
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rangi |
its not like its gonna be india every year |
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* druthb |
had some potential concerns about India, but those have been dealt with. India will be a serious pain to get to for me, but it's do-able, I think. |
| 17:34 |
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kf |
I really hope it's getting nearer sometime soon |
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kf |
and cheaper |
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rangi |
its quite easy to make a rule, cant be the same country within 3 years |
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rangi |
or something |
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kf |
there are a lot of countries far away from here :P |
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rangi |
if there is a real worry taht every year the most populous nations will win |
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kf |
I still support UK, but don't really see it happening |
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rangi |
kf: bah, try nz .. everyhing is far away from here :) |
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* druthb |
suggests that kf put in a bid for Konstanz next year. |
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jcamins |
:D |
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jcamins |
konstanz++ |
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jcamins |
kf++ |
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druthb |
see? Already have two supporters! |
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kf |
yeah, you would like that |
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kf |
but who is going to organise it? |
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* druthb |
points at jcamins. |
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jcamins |
taking_the_afternoon_off_before_I_go_crazier++ |
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rangi |
i think that once kohacon11 is decided, people should reall y think about 2012 |
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* jcamins |
recuses himself - no German |
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wizzyrea |
agreed, we should be working 2 years out I think |
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rangi |
yup, it takes a while to organise |
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* druthb |
thinks of locations in the US...some really nice--and inexpensive--places can be had. |
| 17:36 |
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wizzyrea |
like forming the next release team before the current one is through :P |
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rangi |
its on the agenda |
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rangi |
next meeting |
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rangi |
ppl not there cant complain :-) |
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wizzyrea |
I know, i mean it's exactly like that :) |
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rangi |
hi indradg |
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kf |
not sure Konstanz is good travel wise |
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kf |
Zürich (Sitzerland) is the next airport |
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kf |
Stuttgart is about 2,5 hours by train |
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rangi |
id suggest switzerland |
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rangi |
if it wasnt so expensive |
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* druthb |
held a conference in Abilene, TX once; that was *hard*, as air service there is rare and of low quality. |
| 17:38 |
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kf |
although I would love it to have you all here |
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kf |
:) |
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indradg |
rangi, hey |
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* jcamins_away |
will leave y'all to plot and plan KohaCon 2012. |
| 17:39 |
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druthb |
ended up sending a university van to DFW to pick up a bunch of folks. |
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jcamins_away |
Have a good afternoon, #koha |
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druthb |
see ya, jcamins! |
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* wizzyrea |
would love to take a train for 2 hours to konstantz |
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kf |
kohacon + 1 month hackfest.... |
| 17:39 |
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rangi |
i was very greatful schuster picked me and the biblibrans up at the airport |
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rangi |
hehe |
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rangi |
kf: i was thinking |
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kf |
wizzyrea: only 1 from zürich :) |
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druthb |
I'm with you on that, wizzyrea. |
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kf |
I flew from zürich to nz |
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rangi |
hackfests dont have to wait for kohacon |
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rangi |
we should do more regional ones |
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wizzyrea |
agreed, we should do things like wp does with the wordcamp |
| 17:40 |
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wizzyrea |
and have kohacamps |
| 17:40 |
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druthb |
hackfest_at_ALA++; hackfest_at_Access++ |
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kf |
rangi: I am all for hackfests - but I am a bit lonely here.. |
| 17:40 |
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rangi |
well france isnt that far, nor the uk |
| 17:40 |
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rangi |
take turns hosting :) |
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druthb |
I'd suggest one at computers in libraries, if I knew anyone was gonna be here besides me and nengard. :P |
| 17:41 |
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rangi |
how far is portugal? |
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kf |
rangi: in km? |
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rangi |
yeah, is a train feasible? |
| 17:43 |
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rangi |
and poland? |
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kf |
per train not really, poland yes |
| 17:43 |
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rangi |
you are kinda in the middle |
| 17:43 |
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rangi |
make everyone in europe come visit you :) |
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kf |
hehe |
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* druthb |
would *hitchhike* if necessary, to get to Konstanz. |
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rangi |
but i do think regional camps (unconference style) |
| 17:44 |
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rangi |
are a good idea |
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kf |
I hoped to organise a workshop this year |
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kf |
but march will be crazy |
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kf |
or until march, it already is |
| 17:45 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 17:45 |
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rangi |
you need a kristina :) |
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kf |
hehe |
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kf |
yeah, some help with organisational stuff would be good |
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rangi |
what would be good, would be for someone to do a kohacamp |
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rangi |
and document the process |
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rangi |
then it could be a blueprint for running others |
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wizzyrea |
a la TED |
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rangi |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
ok, afk |
| 17:47 |
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rangi |
or ignite even |
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kf |
TED? |
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* druthb |
wonders if anyone would come to Kohacamp in DC... |
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rangi |
oh you havent heard of TED? |
| 17:48 |
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druthb |
(only the insane.) |
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rangi |
or ignite evenhttp://www.ted.com/ |
| 17:48 |
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rangi |
gah |
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rangi |
http://www.ted.com/ |
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oleonard |
druthb: I would! |
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rangi |
dc has the advantage of everywhere flies there |
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druthb |
oleonard: I can probably wheedle sekjal into coming down, too....find two more who'd commit, and I'll do it...someplace *cheap*. |
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rangi |
druthb: be good if could get gmcharlt |
| 17:50 |
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rangi |
and atz |
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rangi |
and maybe the osslabs |
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oleonard |
atz and I can carpool |
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druthb |
:) I'll find a reasonably inexpensive hotel with a meeting room and wi-fi...really, that's about all the setup we'd need, logistically. Local guides, I have and am, and an "un" con is free from too much schedule. |
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rangi |
yep |
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kf |
*sighs* |
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kf |
I am the last person in this office - really time to go home |
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kf |
see you all later |
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druthb |
see ya, kf. |
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rangi |
cya kf |
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druthb |
conferece center a short walk from my place--and across the street from the Metro--is 109/129/149 for guest rooms. That's not too shabby. |
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druthb |
(for here.) |
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rangi |
we should organise evening hackfests for ala too |
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druthb |
yes! |
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rangi |
not sure ill make kohacon this year, so hackfests at ala and access would be good |
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rangi |
tcohen: url for the comment? |
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tcohen |
http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
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rangi |
ahh liz's comment is good, theone below it eh? |
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tcohen |
right, liz's link is broken but I guess harmless |
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rangi |
its more the text is right |
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rangi |
ie, dont use it :) |
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tcohen |
of course. it's liz commenting :-D |
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rangi |
back |
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* cait |
waves |
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rangi |
heya cait |
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* jwagner |
is tired of wrestling with jquery :-( |
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oleonard-away |
jwagner: Tell 'em it's fine the way it is ;) |
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jwagner |
Ya know, I _tried_ that! |
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wizzyrea |
oh ya that was before the wiki moved |
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wizzyrea |
backscroll |
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jwagner |
Speaking of jquery, will it still work with the new templating system? |
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oleonard |
jquery is client side, so it doesn't have anything to do with the templating system |
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jwagner |
So the codes/divs/whatever we look for might change, but the functionality would be there. |
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oleonard |
The HTML structure shouldn't change at all |
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jwagner |
Good. Thanks. |
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wizzyrea |
oh ya I'll delete or mod that comment |
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wizzyrea |
un moment |
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wizzyrea |
there we go, comments updated (bad links removed) |
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mtj |
yes, but is teh free? |
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rangi |
? |
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* mtj |
favourite comment…. :) |
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wizzyrea |
:) I like that one too |
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rangi |
ahh right |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_5462_signoff' of git://github.com/colinsc/koha into new/enh/bug_5462 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]177d360df03d5ed35> / Bug 5462: fixed current preferences tab highlighting bug created by dashfix <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a56b67ae99616a4d> / Bug 5462: more dash fixing for variable names |
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rangi |
oh man |
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rangi |
that sux |
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wizzyrea |
yea, foxton? |
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rangi |
http://twitter.com/#!/jransom/[…]33252548018176000 |
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wizzyrea |
such a bummer |
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hudsonbot |
Starting build 340 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) |
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wizzyrea |
we had a library literally cleaned out a month or so ago |
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wizzyrea |
they stole 6 computers and all of the networking gear |
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ibeardslee |
that's a sad state of society |
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hudsonbot |
Project Koha_Master build #340: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/340/ |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed dashes (replaced with _) and fullstops (removed) for variable names |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed incorrect TMPL_IF |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: both intranet and opac seem to be 'clean', still need to make relevant changes in scripts |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: modified intranet scripts to match templates |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: more dash fixing for variable names within scripts |
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hudsonbot |
* Christopher Hall: Bug 5462: fixed current preferences tab highlighting bug created by dashfix |
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rangi |
yay! |
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wizzyrea |
woot |
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wizzyrea |
! |
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oleonard |
Wow, 139 "patch pushed" bugs still open |
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* sekjal |
runs |
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rangi |
yeah we need to have a good go at those, plus the ones needing signoff |
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oleonard |
rangi: If you have merged a new/bug_* branch you delete it? |
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rangi |
i do locally, not in the main repo |
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rangi |
the only ones i delete are the needing qa ones |
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rangi |
when they are qa, and moved into a real branch |
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rangi |
the reason i dont is so a can do this |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]oha.git;a=summary |
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rangi |
see all the bug names |
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rangi |
in the shortlog |
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rangi |
they are all links |
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rangi |
so if i ever need to pull commits out |
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rangi |
because they are discovered to have a bug, and we release next week |
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rangi |
for example |
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rangi |
i can find them easy |
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rangi |
if i delete the branche |
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rangi |
s |
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rangi |
i have to rely on ppl naming their patches right .. and that doesnt always happen |
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rangi |
that make sense? |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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oleonard |
I have to say I keep getting confused by the "patch pushed" status because sometimes it means pushed to a branch, sometimes pushed to master |
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rangi |
right lemme make a new status then |
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rangi |
2 secs |
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rangi |
no sense being confused if we dont need to be |
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rangi |
shall we leave patch pushed as meaning pushed to master |
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oleonard |
that's how I interpreted it before |
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rangi |
right |
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rangi |
Pushed for QA |
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rangi |
how about that? |
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wahanui1 |
that is, like, a risk you have to take... ;-) |
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oleonard |
Sound good to me |
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rangi |
right will do |
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oleonard |
wahanui1 is onboard I think |
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rangi |
done |
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oleonard |
Okay, for a bug like Bug 5277 which has been pushed for QA, what action is being awaited? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5277 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, mason, ASSIGNED, cant search by barcode in OPAC search-page |
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oleonard |
Another signoff? A comment saying "works?" |
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rangi |
A comment saying works and set it to signed off again would make me spot it |
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oleonard |
That's it for me, see y'all in 16 hours |
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wizzyrea |
oh we stil have the notices and the messaging tab |
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wizzyrea |
still* |
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wizzyrea |
on the messaging |
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rangi |
hi brendan__ |
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wizzyrea |
hey brendan_ |
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wizzyrea |
___ |
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wizzyrea |
welcome to the new digs ;) |
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brendan__ |
hey thanks :) |
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wizzyrea |
I'm digging the underscore look |
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wizzyrea |
very fashionable |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
its a bywater thing |
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rangi is now known as _____r_a_n_g_i_______ |
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brendan__ |
heh - I think it's this new channel being a pain ;) |
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_____r_a_n_g_i_______ |
try typing that right :) |
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_____r_a_n_g_i_______ is now known as rangi |
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rangi |
i suspect its cos your nicks are in use |
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brendan__ |
____r_a_n_g_i_____ |
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rangi |
:) |
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brendan__ |
yeah that's it ;) |
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* ibeardslee |
doesn't complain, he now has all his 'e's |
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sijobl |
ibeardslee: that was a debianism |
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sijobl |
on the old server |
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sijobl |
for some reason they'd compiled the ircd with nick length restrictions |
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sijobl |
and chris couldn't be convinced to recompile it :-) |
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rangi |
it's true :) |
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chris_n |
are local sysprefs handled by systempreferences.pl or is that a bug? |
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rangi |
nope thats by design |
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chris_n |
seems half-baked |
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rangi |
its because the new preferences relies on a .pref file |
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rangi |
local ones dont exist in there |
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wizzyrea |
rangi did the "fines limit override" ever get into koha? |
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wizzyrea |
it was wayyyy back in 2009 |
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wizzyrea |
something pianohacker did |
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rangi |
pass |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt? |
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wahanui1 |
it has been said that gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
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rangi |
git log |
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wizzyrea |
truf |
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rangi |
then /limit override |
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rangi |
maybe |
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rangi |
ill look |
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rangi |
gmcharlt is at a conference |
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rangi |
did it have a bug number? |
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wizzyrea |
i'm poking too |
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wizzyrea |
i'm looking at the IRC logs |
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wizzyrea |
lemme see if I can find a bug for it |
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wizzyrea |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-08-28#i_292455 |
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wizzyrea |
this was the conversation |
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wizzyrea |
well |
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wizzyrea |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3496 but that's a harley thing |
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huginn |
Bug 3496: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Override maximum fine at checkout |
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rangi |
well he did say for ptfs |
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rangi |
I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon |
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rangi |
gotta admire the kids optimism |
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rangi |
so probably something that needs to be cherry-picked from the old harley git repo |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]efs/heads/Bug3496 |
| 22:47 |
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rangi |
in there somewhere |
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wizzyrea |
oh I see. |
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wizzyrea |
hrm |
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wizzyrea |
I see what happened here. |
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* wizzyrea |
gets annoyed |
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* wizzyrea |
gets over it |
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rangi |
yeah i cant find it |
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rangi |
presumably its in there somewhere |
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* chris_n |
has QA fun for a bit |
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rangi |
thank you |
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@wunder 11375 |
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jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is -0.3�C (6:26 PM EST on February 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026.3 hPa (Falling). |
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rangi |
@wunder wellington nz |
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rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on February 04, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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@wunder 28334 |
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chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 5.0�C (6:42 PM EST on February 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
