IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-18

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00:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #87: UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/87/
00:09 hudsonbot * Zach Sim: Bug 5327 - Adding UNIT Tests.
00:09 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5403 Remove DisplayISBN and GetPublisherNameFromIsbn
00:09 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding a new developer to the history
00:09 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: Bug 5399: remove useless eval 'use C4::Foo'
00:09 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5399: Follow up style patch, moving exits out of subroutine
00:09 hudsonbot * claudia: Bug 5327 removing uneeded tests
00:09 hudsonbot * spartaness: Bug 5327 Starting Unit Tests for
00:09 hudsonbot * johnboy: Bug 5327 Starting tests for BackgroundJob
00:09 hudsonbot * johnboy: bug 5327 started testing
00:09 hudsonbot * Zach Sim: Added extra unit tests to Debug.t
00:13 ibeardsle good to see a bot working hard ;)
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02:21 wasabi a stupid basic jquery question anyone?
02:22 wasabi i have a jquery object, and can change the color, like this...
02:23 wasabi $("#mytable").css({'background-color' : 'yellow' } );
02:23 wasabi thats great….
02:24 wasabi but if i cp that jquery selection to a variable ...
02:24 wasabi var foo =  $("#mytable");
02:25 wasabi how do i use jquery manipulation on that var? i cant work out the syntax :/
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02:26 wasabi like, give me all rows of that table...
02:27 wasabi var rows = foo.$(tr);
02:27 wasabi ?
02:28 wasabi var rows = $foo(tr)   ?
02:29 wasabi var rows = $( foo(tr) );  ?
02:29 wasabi pass...
02:30 Silens unsure but var rows=("#mytable tr"); might work
02:31 wasabi its great that i can use jquery to select stuff into a var/obj, but i cant work out the syntax to manip that obj with jquery *after* ive got it :/
02:31 wasabi Silens: yes, it does work :)
02:32 wasabi but i want to learn how to manip the 'rows' variable
02:32 wasabi selecting stuff into the 'rows' var isnt my problem - i can do that just fine :)
02:34 wasabi i think my problem is i cant work out the syntax to manip the obj, after i have one
02:34 wasabi .
02:34 wasabi it seems to be obv. enuff that theres not much doco on it, on the web
02:37 Silens wasabi: if you go rows.html('<td>test1</td><td​>test2</td><td>test3</td>'); you should be able to change the html inside the rows.
02:38 wasabi ooh, im having a little more luck...
02:40 wasabi atm jquery is a brainfuck, for me
02:43 wasabi i know a little js, and i know a little jquery...
02:44 wasabi but ive got a little problem switching between the 2 syntaxes  in code
02:45 Silens wasabi: if you pm me your code and your problem I'll try and help you.
02:46 wasabi Silens: thanx for yr help, im nearly finished my problem
02:56 CIA-1 Koha: joseph.zachariah.sim new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-533-g7d7df6a /t/ (XISBN.t db_dependent/XISBN.t): Created unit testing using the testdatabase for XISBN.
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03:04 CIA-1 Koha: joseph.zachariah.sim new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-534-g52762c6 /t/db_dependent/XISBN.t: Added unit tests using a test database for XISBN.
03:11 CIA-1 Koha: chansey.killer new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-535-gcc039cd /t/Record.t: bug 5327 updated test file
03:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
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03:20 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-536-geff2176 /t/ (158 files in 42 dirs): Bug 5327 shifting database dependent modules and scripts to t/db_dependent
03:20 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
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03:30 hudsonbot Starting build 298 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #296 4 hr 44 min ago)
03:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <[…]216453b1987c031f0> / Bug 5327 shifting database dependent modules and scripts to t/db_dependent <[…]d7080cbef099306d9> / bug 5327 updated test file <[…]p=koha.git;a=comm
03:38 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster * rv3.02.00-547-gc8ba99e /t/BackgroundJob.t: Bug 5327 litte fix for Background tests
03:38 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
03:42 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 litte fix for Background tests <[…]23e4b4e5797b241c3>
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03:43 Amit heya all
03:43 druthb Hi, Amit. :)
03:44 Amit heya druthb
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03:51 Oak \o
03:54 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #298: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/298/
03:54 hudsonbot * Zach Sim: Created unit testing using the testdatabase for XISBN.
03:54 hudsonbot * Zach Sim: Added unit tests using a test database for XISBN.
03:54 hudsonbot * johnboy: bug 5327 updated test file
03:54 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 shifting database dependent modules and scripts to t/db_dependent
03:55 druthb howdy, Oak! :)
03:55 hudsonbot Starting build 299 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #296 5 hr 10 min ago)
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04:03 Oak hiya druthb :) how are things?
04:04 druthb Doing well.  :)
04:04 druthb how are things on your side of the world?
04:07 Oak things are ok :)
04:19 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #299: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/299/
04:19 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 litte fix for Background tests
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04:50 Amit heya pianohack
04:50 ibot pianohack is pianohacker
04:50 pianohack Hi Amit
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05:14 wasabi damn, i spent a whole day deep in the js/jquery FAIL-MATRIX
05:14 wasabi better luck tmrw
05:17 Amit heya mason
05:18 wasabi yo amit
05:27 pianohack wasabi: What happened with js?
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06:16 cait good morning #koha
06:21 Amit heya cait
06:21 cait hi Amit
06:28 cait bug 5474
06:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
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06:39 chris evening
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06:53 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-537-g71a7d2a /t/db_dependent/XISBN.t: Bug 5327 - Fixing a path issue with XISBN.t
06:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
06:55 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <[…]ba33c5e99d1a8e9e3> / Bug 5327 - Fixing a path issue with XISBN.t <[…]93240caf3d3e290f6>
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07:01 hudsonbot Starting build 300 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #296 8 hr 15 min ago)
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07:24 kf good morning #koha
07:29 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #300: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/300/
07:29 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 - Fixing a path issue with XISBN.t
07:35 chris hi kf
07:37 kf hi chris
07:37 kf lots of academy patches :)
07:38 kf what is the status of bug 5474
07:38 kf ?
07:38 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
07:39 kf do we still maintain all language files? or is someone working on making the en file standard?
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07:54 chris kf: for now we dont bother translating them
07:54 chris but they still currently need to exist
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07:55 chris otherwise a new install will have missing sysprefs (if its installed in anything other than english)
07:55 chris until we get the installer to use en only for sysprefs
07:57 hdl hi all
08:02 chris hi hdl
08:03 kf hi chris - ok - so we require them
08:03 kf sorry, running around office and not really awake yet
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08:06 francharb hello all
08:07 ivanc hi #koha
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08:39 kf hi ivanc
08:40 ivanc guten morgen kf :)
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09:29 chris !hudson build koha_master now
09:29 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
09:30 hudsonbot Starting build 301 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #296 10 hr ago)
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09:52 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-538-g4093615 /t/db_dependent/XISBN.t: Bug 5327 Cleaning up XISBN.t a bit
09:52 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
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09:57 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <[…]f062db901ea3813f3> / Bug 5327 Cleaning up XISBN.t a bit <[…]dbfb4b41733b284da>
10:04 chris right, bedtime, we have moved from 1209 subroutines covered by tests to 1226
10:06 chris and some new icons being designed, i think for the first time most of them have ever seen perl or linux, they are doing pretty damn well
10:06 * chris heads to bed
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10:25 kf good night chris
10:27 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #302: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/302/
10:27 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 Cleaning up XISBN.t a bit
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12:35 magnus hiya nengard, finding any salt?
12:36 nengard none in the house ... would have to go out  to the store for some
12:36 nengard and i'm sure everyone else is doing that too
12:36 nengard so i'm going to guess no luck
12:36 nengard i'll stay home under the covers on my couch instead :)
12:37 magnus ah, salt for roads, not food... probably best to stay indoors ;-)
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12:38 magnus g'day jwagner
12:39 * druthb waves to jwagner.
12:40 jwagner Hi magnus and druthb
12:40 nengard yes magnus, sorry I wasn't clear on that :)
12:43 magnus nengard: it'll melt, eventually... ;-)
12:43 nengard yup
12:43 nengard they're saying it will be better this afternoon
12:45 kf hi druthb hi magnus :)
12:45 kf hi nengard, hi jwagner
12:47 magnus hiya kf
12:48 kf how is the conference?
12:49 jwagner Hi kf
12:50 magnus kf: not there yet, waiting for the plane from OSL to HEL, the fun starts tomorrow!
12:57 kf :)
12:57 kf hope you have a lot of fun :)
12:59 magnus thanks
12:59 magnus gotta find my plane now, bye #koha!
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13:45 schuster Board meeting tonight - so this week is going to be ugly as RIF and possible positions are on the table.
13:46 schuster not to mention that both of my boys are at home with the Flue
13:46 schuster Flu that is.
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13:57 kf is[…]on_Debian_Squeeze up to date?
13:59 jcamins kf: That looks correct.
13:59 kf thx jared :)
13:59 mirbolt hi there. i'm using 3.06. when i click on a bib record in the opac which has a serial sub attached, is there any way to make the subscription tab highlighted by default, rather than the holdings tab?
14:02 jcamins mirbolt: I think there is, but I don't remember how.
14:03 mirbolt damn. thanx anyway
14:03 jcamins opacSerialDefaultTab
14:03 jcamins That's the syspref.
14:04 jcamins It's certainly in 3.2, and maybe in 3.06 (I just noticed you said you were on 3.0).
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14:04 mirbolt hmm, perhaps it is just 3.2 as i can't find it when i search my system prefs
14:07 mirbolt oh well, i needed something to push me into upgrading, this might just be it
14:07 jcamins mirbolt: yeah, you should *definitely* upgrade.
14:08 mirbolt cheers for the assistance
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14:23 owen So what's up #koha?
14:32 jwagner Well, there's some ice _down_ :-)
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14:40 owen Just rain here.
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14:41 jwagner We had a nasty mixture of snow, sleet, and freezing rain.  It's melting off now, but I'm going to give it another hour or two before I venture out on the roads....
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15:04 druthb sekjal++ # for some quick-thinking JQuery goodness
15:06 kf hm, looking at the sys pref editor I wonder - is AutoEmailPrimaryAddress only for ACCTDETAILS notices?
15:07 kf not sure I read the code right - can someone check?
15:07 kf[…]b;f=C4/
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15:11 jwagner kf, it was, but druthb did a patch a while back to make the overdue notices obey that syspref.  NOt sure if that got pushed.
15:12 sekjal yes, overdue notices DO consult AutoEmailPrimaryAddress
15:12 sekjal it's best set to 'first valid"
15:12 kf ok
15:12 kf than the sys pref editor is wrong
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15:13 sekjal kf: yes.  I think there was a patch to correct the language, but it hasn't been pushed yet, apparently
15:13 kf it puts the acctdetails pref and the ACCTDETAILS pref into one entence
15:13 kf sekjal: perfect - don't to file a bug then :)
15:13 kf writing documentation for my coworkers - looking at patron sysprefs today
15:18 jwagner OK, going to hit the road now -- hope they're all sanded....
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15:43 kf nengard: saw your mail about acq - have you checked with  funds and child funds? I think the base level is probably relating to the parent/child fund, when you have more levels. I tested that, but have recreated my database since :(
15:45 nengard i haven't
15:46 * owen finds acquisitions very confusing
15:48 nengard agreed
15:48 nengard too much math going on there
15:48 nengard i'm no good at math
15:50 jcamins nengard: nonsense.
15:50 nengard ??
15:50 kf nengard: I saw some strange math in there... avoiding to look at it at the moment
15:50 nengard nonsense? that I don't know math?
15:51 jcamins Right.
15:51 jcamins You're perfectly good at math. :)
15:51 nengard very much non nonsense - i promise!
15:51 hdl nengard knows 1+1
15:51 nengard right
15:51 nengard that's about it :)
15:51 nengard hehe
15:51 jcamins nengard++ # for excellence in mathematics
15:51 hdl my daughter too ;)
15:51 nengard well she still has a chance to learn more
15:52 nengard my brain is closed to all new math skills
15:52 collum that's what wolfram-alpha is for
15:54 nengard for doing math?
15:54 nengard i'm sure they hoped it would do more than that :)
15:55 owen Do math and help me find what time IRC meetings are
15:55 collum math and movie quotes.
15:57 kf wolfram_alpha++
15:57 kf although it can do mean things too... if you give it the ingredients for a recipe it will calculate the calories :(
15:57 kf a friend of mine did that for the fudge recipe - it was horrible ;)
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16:20 chris_n morning weirdness: we had a bib with an item attached; the item detail showed available; the opac search summary showed unavailable at the same time
16:20 wizzyrea chris_n: we've seen that too
16:20 chris_n this occurred on multiple workstations; a few moments later.... the problem goes away
16:20 wizzyrea it's something about the index
16:21 wizzyrea maybe a lag issue?
16:21 chris_n you might think that
16:21 chris_n but this item was cataloged last week :-P
16:21 chris_n and not circulated yet
16:21 wizzyrea !!
16:21 wizzyrea i don't have specifics that detailed on when we saw that
16:21 * chris_n wishes all problems would go away after a few ctl-F5's
16:21 wizzyrea but we ahve seen it
16:22 hdl chris_n have you checked your items.onloan
16:22 hdl ?
16:22 chris_n well, it is comforting to know I'm not going insane... yet
16:22 chris_n hmm... no, but I can
16:24 chris_n hdl: NULL for this item
16:25 chris_n which I suppose agrees with the fact that it has not circulated yet
16:28 wizzyrea chris_n: I'm trying to find what we know about that issue...
16:29 chris_n wizzyrea: thanks, I'd be interested to hear
16:33 wizzyrea chris_n: we were seeing things like this[…]6f15/00000154.png
16:34 wizzyrea and a reindex was apparently what fixed it
16:34 wizzyrea FIXED with the reindexing Aug. 24. The catalog is Not Indexing Correctly, as some catalogers have discovered.  We also noticed that the Search results list shows ‘old’ information about items recently checked in (or out).  The Items tab of the Bib record should be correct.
16:35 wizzyrea but those items had circ'd, so that makes it a little different
16:35 chris_n hmm... your screenshot is basically what we saw in our opac
16:35 chris_n zebra reindexes every 5 mins here atm
16:35 wizzyrea ours is 9 min, I think
16:36 chris_n but the catalogers noticed the same error last week, so...??
16:36 chris_n maybe it comes and goes
16:36 wizzyrea I wonder if there's a point in the indexing where one reference to the item has been updated, but the other hasn't
16:36 chris_n they said they also saw this happen with on or two other items
16:36 * wizzyrea really has no idea
16:36 chris_n maybe
16:37 chris_n its probably not worth chasing atm
16:37 wizzyrea I don't have a good enough grasp on how the magic of zebra works to speculate, thusly all speculatious should be considered just that.
16:38 chris_n maybe you mean "black" magic with reference to zebra? ;-)
16:38 wizzyrea correction: black magic of zebra :D
16:39 wizzyrea are you on the very latest version of koha (I assume you are)
16:45 sekjal correction:  "black and white striped" magic of zebra ....
16:46 wizzyrea HAHA
16:46 rhcl zebra sounds like a skunk
16:47 * chris_n thinks it may smell occasionally too
16:47 chris_n like a pole cat
16:48 wizzyrea @quote add chris_n: maybe you mean "black" magic with reference to zebra? ;-) ; wizzyrea: correction: black magic of zebra :D ; sekjal: correction:  "black and white striped" magic of zebra ....  ; rhcl: zebra sounds like a skunk ; chris_n thinks is may smell occasionally too, like a pole cat.
16:48 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #114 added.
16:48 wizzyrea @quote get random
16:48 munin wizzyrea: Error: 'random' is not a valid id.
16:48 wizzyrea @quote random
16:48 munin wizzyrea: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
16:49 * chris_n heads off to find the tomato juice
16:49 * wizzyrea is reminded of the mythbusters where they sprayed themselves with skunk essence
16:49 * wizzyrea giggles a bit
16:49 chris_n skunk essence....
16:50 chris_n the cat chased one under our house when I was growing up.... we moved out for a week
16:50 chris_n ok, break's over :)
16:50 wizzyrea hehe
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17:04 nengard okay what is the difference between the 'overdues' and 'overdues with fines' reports?
17:04 nengard the overdues with fines report seems a bit wonky to me
17:04 nengard and doesn't show anything about fines on it
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17:15 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: add acquisitions claims section
17:15 hudsonbot * Nicole C. Engard: update acq claims section
17:16 nengard guess everyone is on lunch
17:17 * owen is here but doesn't use fines
17:19 nengard :)
17:19 * jcamins also doesn't use fines.
17:19 * wizzyrea doesn't use that report, and only has a couple of libraries that use fines
17:19 nengard chris_n regarding the quick spine label creator - am i right in assuming that it does not take into account any kind of lable template - it just prints at the top left of the page
17:24 chris_n nengard: I think that is correct, but I'm not the author and we don't use it here
17:24 nengard oh ok
17:24 chris_n I think kyle is the one
17:24 chris_n who wrote it
17:25 * owen wonders whatever happened to kyle
17:25 chris_n iirc it uses some css and prints from the browser
17:25 chris_n howdy owen
17:27 * wizzyrea is reminded that it is owen's birthday
17:28 * owen is a ripe old age
17:29 kf nengard: I think there is a syspref for the fields?
17:29 nengard happy bday owen!!
17:29 nengard thanks kf, i'll find that - i do believe you are right
17:30 owen thanks nengard!
17:30 kf nengard: have seen something somewhere - not sure how it works :)
17:31 nengard kf, i have some about it in the manual :)
17:31 nengard I just don't remember writing it
17:31 druthb Happy birthday, owen!  :)
17:32 kf oh yes -happy birthday owen!
17:32 jcamins Happy birthday, owen.
17:33 * owen shares cake
17:33 kf mmh cake :)
17:34 druthb mmmmm
17:34 kf time to leave... bye all :)
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17:35 sekjal mmm, that cake will go well with my lunch.
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18:15 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: update tools locations and add to label and patron creators
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18:22 paul_p hello everybody
18:23 nengard hiya paul_p
18:24 paul_p hello nengard
18:24 * paul_p in Metz, NE of France
18:24 paul_p I had a meeting with 4 universities interested by Koha
18:26 nengard awesome
18:31 jcamins The MARC21 documentation ways 37 pounds.
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18:32 jcamins *weighs, even
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18:38 jcamins Okay, I have asked LC CPSO if there is any machine-readable version of the MARC21 spec.
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18:39 cait hi #koha :)
18:40 druthb welcome back, cait.  :)
18:40 jcamins Hi cait.
18:40 jcamins We were just thinking about you.
18:41 cait you were?
18:41 jcamins We were talking about updating the MARC21 frameworks to match the current standard.
18:41 * cait tries to hide
18:41 cait hm
18:41 jcamins Yes. And by "we" I mean "I," of course.
18:41 cait it's a good thing but I lack the skills to do it without a lot of manual work...
18:41 cait I have thought about it before :)
18:42 jcamins I just requested a computer-readable format of the spec from LC.
18:42 cait cool :)
18:42 cait perhaps we can think about hiding the deprecated fields from the standard frameworks
18:42 cait there are a lot of them
18:43 jcamins I think we already do that for fields that were deprecated prior to 2007, don't we?
18:43 cait not sure
18:43 cait I noticed when I translated the frameworks into German
18:44 cait and I have not translated those not showing up in the official german trnslations
18:44 cait make that translation
18:44 cait too tired to type
18:45 chris Morning
18:45 cait hi chris
18:46 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #41: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/41/
18:46 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add 'get there' notes to tools
18:46 cait jcamins: I think thd did the original version of the frameworks - perhaps you shoudl talk to him
18:46 jcamins cait: yeah, I need to.
18:47 chris You guys should organise a meetup he lives in your neck of the woods
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18:47 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:47 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 19, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Rising).
18:48 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
18:48 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -5.3�C (12:49 PM CST on January 18, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from Wednesday afternoon through late Wednesday night...
18:48 paul_p morning chris
18:48 wizzyrea brrrr
18:48 paul_p @wunder metz, France
18:49 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Metz, France is 7.0�C (7:30 PM CET on January 18, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
18:49 paul_p I confirm, it rains ;-)
18:49 chris Hi paul, how was switzerland?
18:52 * chris goes for breakfast bbiab
18:52 paul_p chris, very good time. A library with a simple and well defined project, i've seen my oncle that lives here for years. all in one, good !
18:52 paul_p bon appétit chris
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18:56 druthb @wunder 20852
18:56 munin druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 0.3�C (1:55 PM EST on January 18, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).
18:57 jcamins ibot: druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Marylan?
18:57 ibot jcamins: no idea
18:57 jcamins Huh.
18:58 jcamins I guess we've broken ibot of the habit of remembering everything munin says.
18:59 wizzyrea ibot: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland?
18:59 ibot no idea, wizzyrea
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19:09 cait ibot botsnack cookie
19:09 ibot :)
19:09 cait he still eats
19:09 cait I think he is ok
19:16 ibeardsle ibot botsnack coffee
19:16 ibot thanks ibeardsle :)
19:16 * chris clocks in from work
19:17 chris ibeardsle: 10am today eh?
19:17 ibeardsle yeap
19:17 ibeardsle although just checking who the text was from saying they trains were runnign late
19:18 chris ahhh
19:18 ibeardsle yeap it was murray
19:19 ibeardsle but wander up to be ready to go at 10 anyway
19:19 ibeardsle .. down for you
19:19 chris will do, ill try and catch up on all my work
19:20 chris some clown booked himself 138 hours worth of work for this week (while robin is away)
19:20 chris so most of my work is shuffling that around and just doing the urgent stuff
19:20 ibeardsle heh
19:21 magnus lets see, 138 divided by 7 is... ouch!
19:22 cait hm no, that doesn't work out
19:22 chris yeah most if it is not urgent, just piles of quotes i did before xmas that people have now okayed i can shuffle it :)
19:22 chris its good that there is piles of koha work to do though :)
19:23 cait :)
19:23 * owen prefers piles of koha work to any other kind
19:26 * magnus too
19:26 * jcamins prefers piles of cookies
19:27 magnus koha in icelandic would be cool - looks like we could maybe use a translation 101 page on the wiki, or something?
19:27 chris we used to have one, a new one would be good
19:28 * druthb steals jcamins' cookie recipe, and dispatches the evil minion to make them.
19:29 magnus with some hints on good software to use etc...
19:31 jcamins druthb: that recipe's really easy. 1 c. butter, 1-1/4 c. sugar, 1 tsp. vanilla, 1 tsp. lemon extract, 1/8 tsp. salt, 1 egg, 2 c. sifted flour (i.e., 1-3/4 c. flour), 2 c. chocolate chips. Bake at 350.
19:32 cait mmh
19:32 magnus would plain old "Translating Koha" be an ok title for a wiki page? i could start it and others, more knowledgeable than me, could chime in
19:34 chris yep
19:35 * cait has decided to move thunderbird to old laptop
19:35 cait I think ubuntu wins
19:35 jcamins Wins what?
19:36 cait my personal laptop war - newer laptop with vista against very old laptop with ubuntu
19:36 jcamins cait: what about newer laptop with Ubuntu? :D
19:37 cait no, I hate the battery life of the newer laptop
19:37 cait I favor really new laptop with dual boot... as next step
19:37 jcamins Try it w/Ubuntu... it might be better.
19:37 * owen has been considering getting a laptop to install Ubuntu on
19:37 chris ubuntu, with windows in virtualbox if you need it
19:38 chris dual boot is annoying
19:38 cait hm right
19:38 cait virtual box might be better
19:38 jcamins cait: you'll get more brownie points with chris if you go with your proprietary OS in Virtual Box.
19:39 cait planning to buy a new laptop since before nz ... have not managed to decide for a model yet
19:39 cait hehe
19:39 cait it's all his fault anyway - installed ubuntu on old laptop for kohacon - because he threatened to laugh at people with windows ;)
19:40 chris and i still do :)
19:41 owen So who's got a favorite brand of laptop they want to sell me on?
19:41 jcamins Grr. Stupid phone.
19:41 chris i dont hate toshiba
19:41 * jcamins does
19:42 jcamins If you want PC, I was very happy with my Fujitsu for a while.
19:42 cait I love my old acer travelmate... but don't know about newer models
19:42 paul_p have you read :[…]9-cest-l%C3%A9ger
19:42 * druthb has a dell, and it's awesome.
19:42 magnus when we had the small "open source for libraries" conferene in norway i was just about the only one not using mac or linux - and i was laughed at - never again! ;-)
19:42 jcamins Then it broke.
19:42 chris dell are ok too
19:42 paul_p it's Philippe, that is our new associates and has switched from win to ubuntu
19:42 paul_p he loves that !
19:43 chris just google them before you buy it owen
19:43 paul_p in french only, sorry)
19:43 chris specifically the wifi card
19:43 owen If figured that would be the sticking point
19:43 chris thats often the thing that comes with some stupid proprietary driver
19:43 * magnus likes his dell latitude 13 - only 2 hours of battery though
19:45 owen
19:45 jcamins I want to make a phone call. With my phone. Seriously, shouldn't that be simple?
19:46 jcamins STOP VIBRATING!!!
19:46 cait I think smartphones are not made to make calls...
19:46 jcamins I HATE THIS PHONE!
19:47 jcamins Eventually I'll figure it out and love it, I'm sure, but seriously, this thing is staggeringly annoying.
19:49 * magnus hopes this is such a bad start, it will provoke people to make it better:[…]/Translating_Koha
19:50 * magnus is almost running out of his 1 hour hotel internet time...
19:51 cait magnus++
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19:58 rhcl google
19:58 rhcl oops..
19:58 rhcl google's translation seems pretty good
19:58 rhcl[…]%C3%A9ger&act=url
19:59 magnus g'night #koha!
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20:18 owen So no one here knows how to get Adrea Lund off the mailing lists until Feb?
20:18 chris_n add her to your spam list
20:19 chris ive blocked her on the main one
20:19 chris_n worked for me
20:19 wasabi send her an email?
20:19 chris i cant do the others
20:19 chris only biblibre can
20:21 wizzyrea jcamins what kind of phone?
20:21 jcamins HTC Incredible Stupidphone.
20:21 owen Catchy
20:21 wizzyrea ohh
20:22 wizzyrea i think you're the first person I know who has said "my droid is dumb"
20:22 jcamins What, you could've told me it was going to irritate me? A friend of mine has it and loves it.
20:22 * wizzyrea has a samsung galaxy
20:22 jcamins It vibrates when I'm trying to dial the phone.
20:22 wizzyrea I love it, except for it's sucky gps
20:22 paul_p owen: send a mail to hdl, I can't find the mailing list password :\
20:22 wizzyrea OH that's the haptic feedback
20:23 jcamins I already disabled it twice. :(
20:23 wizzyrea you can turn that off
20:23 wizzyrea oh ew
20:23 wizzyrea then yea
20:23 jcamins I'm going to have to root it to disable the haptic feedback and shouting.
20:23 wizzyrea To turn it off for the "keyboard" function go into settings, language and keyboard, and then the keyboard settings.
20:24 wizzyrea is that where you turned it off?
20:24 ibeardsle wizzyrea: the galaxy gps sucks?
20:24 ibeardsle all over or just in your area?
20:24 wizzyrea in my experience, yes
20:24 wizzyrea everywhere
20:24 wizzyrea it was broken in NZ too :P
20:24 wizzyrea satellite GPS, that is
20:24 jcamins wizzyrea: no, I turned it off in the Sound section.
20:24 * ibeardsle makes a note to check with other people
20:24 jcamins That must be why.
20:25 wizzyrea maybe, if it is I'll be happy to have helped :P
20:26 wizzyrea jcamins or this: Settings -> Language & Keyboard -> Touch Input -> Text Input -> Vibrate when typing = unchecked.
20:26 wizzyrea teh googlez has a lot to say about the haptic feedback on the incredible
20:27 wizzyrea mostly "htf do I turn this *(&* off"
20:27 jcamins Understandably.
20:27 owen What is haptic feedback?
20:28 wizzyrea it's the little vibration when you push a virtual button on a touch screen
20:28 jcamins STUPID!!!!
20:28 wizzyrea the palm pre was one of the first to do it
20:29 owen Sounds like it would drain your battery right away
20:29 jcamins "Disable dialer vibration" is the solution, apparently.
20:29 wizzyrea yea, apparently on the incredible HF is per app, not phonewide
20:29 wizzyrea (one reason to love your galaxy)
20:29 jcamins owen: yes, but that might be a feature... if the phone is dead, it's not irritating you.
20:30 wizzyrea ibeardsle: the samsung galaxy S GPS is well known to have issues
20:30 owen I feel that way about some of my kids' toys
20:30 * wizzyrea has a habit of removing batteries from annoying toys "it's tired honey, and wants to take a rest"
20:30 druthb My pre plus doesn't do that, which is probably a good thing.
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20:31 jcamins Okay, here's the plan: I always dial from the computer using Google Voice.
20:32 cait lol
20:33 wizzyrea jcamins: is this a new phone? perhaps you should erm, exchange it >.>
20:33 wizzyrea anything that causes you that much consternation is probably not worth the hassle >.>
20:33 jcamins wizzyrea: hm.
20:33 jcamins Interesting thought.
20:34 jcamins I was too busy being annoyed to think of that.
20:34 wizzyrea lol
20:34 jcamins On the other hand, I'm not sure there's a phone that would actually make me happier.
20:34 * wizzyrea notes that not all android phones behave that way
20:35 wizzyrea I really, truly, honestly am in an emotional relationship with my galaxy :P
20:35 wizzyrea (I love the dang thing)
20:35 druthb jcamins is in an emotional relationship with his phone, too, apparently.
20:35 wizzyrea more towards the other end of the spectrum :P
20:35 druthb yah, I think so
20:38 cait :)
20:45 jcamins I've got a feeling I'd hate any smartphone, though. I still don't want one.
20:46 wasabi morning, a simple jquery Q...
20:47 wasabi how to clone a <select> drop-list, in jquery?
20:48 owen clone() ?
20:48 wasabi this should work… but doesnt quite :/
20:48 wasabi $("#myDroplist").clone().appendTo("#myDroplist");
20:48 owen Instead of appendTo() try after()
20:49 wasabi it clones the select, but inserts it *inside* the 1st select
20:49 wasabi ahh, after
20:49 owen Yeah, appendTo appends to the contents of the selected element
20:51 wasabi jebus, the appendTo() doco is a bit confusing on that point
20:52 wasabi but thanks for that one, owen
20:52 owen wasabi: have you seen It seems to be a little behind version-wise, but is still very useful
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20:54 wasabi oooh, thank you!
20:54 paul_p left #koha
20:55 wasabi the jquery doco pages break when scrolling in my browser(opera), drives me f** crazy
20:55 owen Weird
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20:57 wasabi yeah, the floating left sidebar,  seems to randomly reset the page-scroll to the top-of-page, when scrolling down :/
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21:02 wasabi bah, why wont this work...
21:02 wasabi heres an element...
21:02 wasabi <b id="foo">Hello</b>
21:02 wasabi .
21:02 wasabi clone the element, and add..
21:03 wasabi $("#foo").clone().after( $("#foo") );
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21:05 wasabi even the appendTo() example duplicates the 'Hello' , (tho in the wrong element)
21:05 wasabi $("#foo").clone().appendTo( $("#foo") );
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21:30 wasabi jebus, so this fails...
21:30 wasabi $("#foo").clone().after( $("#foo") );
21:30 wasabi but this works...
21:31 wasabi $("#foo").clone().insertAfter( $("#foo") );
21:32 wasabi why, i dont know….
21:32 wasabi yet, this after() example works too...
21:32 wasabi var cc = $("#foo").clone();
21:33 wasabi $("#foo").after( cc );
21:35 wasabi anyhoo, ive made 2 jquery discoveries, and solved my trival example, so i shut up now :)
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21:40 sekjal goodnight, #koha!
21:40 sekjal left #koha
21:40 chris mib_zo6j8:
21:40 chris and
21:40 chris
21:40 jcamins chris: huh?
21:42 wasabi jcamins:  chris is responding to a mibbit-user, i guess?
21:43 jcamins wasabi: yeah, I got that, but the usual response to a Mibbit user involves mentioning that the Koha website is at etc., etc.
21:44 chris not when the mibbit user is sitting next to me at the academy
21:44 wasabi … responding to a private question, about prod and demo kohas?
21:44 jcamins Ah.
21:44 * wasabi shakes fist at lazy mibbit users!
21:45 wizzyrea mmm mibbit is linked from
21:45 wizzyrea it's when you get the CGI's
21:45 wizzyrea that you know they're coming from
21:45 wizzyrea ibot mibbit?
21:45 ibot wizzyrea: bugger all, i dunno
21:45 wizzyrea mibbit is linked from
21:46 wizzyrea ibot: mibbit?
21:46 ibot mibbit is linked from
21:46 wizzyrea cgi users come from
21:46 wizzyrea ibot: cgi users?
21:46 ibot i don't know, wizzyrea
21:46 wizzyrea der, I know that wouldn't work. Sigh.
21:46 * wizzyrea goes back in her hole
21:46 druthb hehehe
21:46 mib_zo6j8 left #koha
21:46 wasabi wizzyrea: chris_n's blocked that fail-loop, i think
21:47 wizzyrea woohoo!
21:47 wizzyrea I was wondering why there had been fewer
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22:03 wizzyrea lolwut
22:03 wizzyrea is that temp out of service for anyone else?
22:03 wizzyrea Did I miss a memo?
22:03 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
22:04 CIA-1 Koha: joseph.zachariah.sim new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-539-g65e2cda /t/ (Biblio.t db_dependent/Biblio.t): Added unit tests for Biblio and moved it to db_dependent as it requires the database.
22:05 CIA-1 Koha: chansey.killer new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-540-g8554eaa /t/Record.t: Bug 5327 1 more test added.
22:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
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22:11 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/bug_5327 * rv3.02.00-541-ga844a2b /t/Record.t: Bug 5327: Little change to Record.t
22:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Unit tests required for all C4 modules
22:12 jcamins_a Good night, #koha
22:14 wizzyrea no thoughts on the kudos website?
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22:19 chris thoughts?
22:19 wizzyrea it's apparently broken?
22:19 * druthb chuckles.
22:19 wizzyrea (i'm wondering if I missed the memo that it was moving)
22:19 chris wheres it moving to?
22:20 * wizzyrea tries to be optimistic
22:20 * wizzyrea fails
22:20 chris yeah cos is not working
22:20 chris where was it moving too?
22:20 chris to even
22:21 chris or did they just turn it off
22:21 chris wouldnt be the first time
22:21 wizzyrea I'm not sure that it *was* moving, I was *hoping* that it was moving because it's baroooken.
22:21 chris ask on the list
22:21 chris or i will
22:21 wizzyrea ya, that's where i was headed. :)
22:22 wizzyrea on that like white on rice.
22:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5327' into kcmaster <[…]99d34760330153a73> / Bug 5327: Little change to Record.t <[…]19f373350a011e078> / Bug 5327 1 more test added. <[…]14565481259a927ab
22:30 hudsonbot Starting build 303 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #296 23 hr ago)
22:31 * wasabi hopes kudos hasn't gone to join at the devnull hotel
22:32 druthb lol
22:32 wizzyrea I don't think so, it's hosted by kyle at meadville
22:32 wizzyrea so something's gone awry I think
22:33 * wizzyrea doesn't suspect malice here
22:33 wasabi aaah, all good then hunny :)
22:41 jcamins_a Oh, Kyle's server is down.
22:53 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #303: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/303/
22:53 hudsonbot * Zach Sim: Added unit tests for Biblio and moved it to db_dependent as it requires the database.
22:53 hudsonbot * johnboy: Bug 5327 1 more test added.
22:53 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Little change to Record.t
22:55 chris check it out!
22:55 chris http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]303/HTML_Report/?
22:55 chris start of this week we had 1209 subroutines tested
22:55 chris 1269 now
22:55 cait :)
23:02 wasabi i think more unit-test code is probably the best thing i could work on, for the koha project
23:02 wasabi atm
23:07 chris wasabi: what i need
23:07 chris is you to rebase your 5 star ratings
23:07 chris on master
23:07 chris and send a patch/patches
23:07 * chris wants that in 3.4
23:09 wasabi yeah, sorry about the lateness on that one...
23:09 wasabi whens the 3.4 deadline again?
23:10 wasabi in 4-ish months
23:13 jcamins_a wasabi: next week.
23:13 jcamins_a (some people work better under a tight deadline)
23:13 cait jcamins: I should hire you to set the deadlines for me
23:14 jcamins_a :)
23:16 chris yeah, i want it in the next week or so
23:17 chris because after that we will be in template::toolkit land hopefully, and it will be harder to apply
23:17 wasabi ok, i can do that!
23:17 jcamins_a chris: oh, I just realized... that is kind of the deadline, because of the T::T switchover.
23:17 chris yup
23:17 jcamins_a :D
23:17 jcamins_a That reminds me.
23:17 wasabi twas 95% merged for 3.2 a few months ago...
23:18 jcamins_a wasabi: did you redo your OpacNotPublic patch to have a positive syspref?
23:18 wasabi yes, and sent...
23:18 cait hm, chris - can you say something about your enh for acq? the budget table links to spend/avail.?
23:19 jcamins_a Hm.
23:19 wasabi bug 4289
23:19 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4289 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add a syspref 'OpacPublic', to hide OPAC search-bar and force authentication on all OPAC pages
23:19 jcamins_a The last thing I see, though, is "does not apply."
23:19 wasabi yep, me too ;)
23:20 wasabi i havent had time to redo it...
23:21 wasabi fyi: it did apply OK to tag 'v3.02.00-rc'
23:21 jcamins_a Sadly that was after string freeze, I think.
23:23 wasabi oops, i the latest patch was applied to 'e54169ba0f06cd835d72936e14012933a67793e7'
23:24 wasabi which was prolly the latest HEAD, at the time
23:25 jcamins_a wasabi: I'm going to see how bad the conflict is.
23:26 wasabi[…]e14012933a67793e7
23:26 wasabi in hindsight… not the best commit to apply the patch too?
23:27 wasabi ahh, that old chestnut...
23:27 cait good night all
23:27 cait left #koha
23:27 wasabi CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/
23:28 jcamins_a If that's it, it doesn't matter.
23:28 wasabi that conflict always p0wnz me, in my patches...
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23:29 chris just set it to xxx for your onwe
23:29 chris one
23:29 chris check this out
23:29 chris http://opac.opus.koha.catalyst[…]pl?biblionumber=1
23:29 wasabi in the future, a dir of DB patches, rather than 1 single conflict-prone file?
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23:29 chris maybe
23:30 Brooke kia ora
23:30 chris but probably not
23:30 chris more likely just use a schema
23:30 chris but check out the little icon there
23:30 chris claudia has scaled them all to a better size and made them all have transparent backgrounds
23:30 wasabi the 'general' one?
23:30 chris a whole se
23:30 chris t
23:31 chris took the liblime kids one
23:31 jcamins_a Fails on
23:31 chris i wouldnt be suprised, but thats nothing to do with the work we are doing
23:32 jcamins_a Actually, I think I just broke git.
23:32 jcamins_a How do I undo a git am if it goes horribly wrong?
23:32 chris git am --abort
23:32 wasabi claudia++ , thanks! :)
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23:32 jcamins_a Okay, and, what's the proper command for git am?
23:32 chris will send a patch in a bit
23:32 jcamins_a git am $patchfile did something weird.
23:33 chris always use -3iu
23:33 chris (just as an aside)
23:35 * chris ducks out for lunch
23:36 jcamins_a The only conflict I see is
23:38 jcamins_a Argh!
23:38 jcamins_a I need to revise a patch *two* patches back.
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23:41 jcamins_a wasabi: your patch works beautifully.
23:42 jcamins_a Other than the updatedatabase issue.
23:56 jcamins_a @later tell chris I have tested and signed off on the patches for bug 4289.
23:56 munin jcamins_a: The operation succeeded.
23:56 jcamins_a @later tell chris If it will help, I'll bribe you with a cookie...
23:56 munin jcamins_a: The operation succeeded.
23:57 jcamins_a And now, I *really* am leaving.

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