IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-12

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00:00 nengard gmcharlt did my email get through?
00:00 gmcharlt nengard: yep - give me a sec
00:00 nengard no prob - just flaky wifi over here have had things not get through
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00:13 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #79: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/79/
00:13 hudsonbot * Ian Walls: Bug 5603: uninitialized element in hash
00:13 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 5486 remove note about HomeOrHoldingBranch being removed soon
00:13 hudsonbot * Nicole Engard: bug 4131 have subscription so edit routing if one exists
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00:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #282: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/282/
00:23 hudsonbot Magnus Enger: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example
00:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example <[…]dfb5122283baf593e>
00:46 hudsonbot Starting build 80 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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01:04 gmcharlt nengard:[…]tatusworkflow.png
01:04 nengard thanks gmcharlt
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01:08 Brooke Copenhagen - Berlin, how hard could it be?
01:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #80: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/80/
01:09 hudsonbot Magnus Enger: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example
01:12 chris heh
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02:24 chris colin++ #unit tests
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02:46 queso I'm looking for a solution to catalog my home library. Will Koha work for this, or would it be overkill?
02:46 chris how big is your collection?
02:47 chris[…]ation/newbieguide
02:48 queso chris: I don't know, that's why I want to catelog it. :) it's 10 bookcases, something like 3ft x 6ft each . . so, the whole basement.
02:48 chris if you know something about cataloguing and library standards it will be easier, but you could do it if you follow the newbie guide (that presumes you have it installed)
02:49 queso chris: I'm a software developer so I should be able to get it to work. I was looking around in a demo trying to figure out how to add a book and couldn't do it.
02:50 queso chris: So the newbie guide will be good. Thank you for the link.
02:50 chris the newbie guide and the manual will walk you through that
02:50 queso chris: Koha supports mysql and what other database?
02:50 chris[…]ation/3-2-manual/
02:51 chris thats about it at the moment, it fluctuates, but there are some mysqlisms in a couple of the .sql files it uses to set it up at the moment, im hoping to rip those back out for 3.4
02:51 queso chris: Hopefully it will support postgresql? It's such a better database . .
02:51 queso chris: or does support it?
02:52 chris it used to, it could now, if someone cleaned up those sql files
02:52 chris but im not interested in a database war :)
02:52 chris or vim vs emacs or anything else like that
02:54 queso chris: okay, no prob. :) so right now it officially only supports mysql?
02:55 chris yup
02:55 chris 3.2.x does
02:55 robin chris: just so long as you agree that bash is better than tcsh
02:55 chris hehe
02:56 chris i dont use a shell, i tap wires together to change voltage currents
02:56 queso heh
02:57 queso Are the debian packages, when no longer experimental, intended to be supported long-term?
02:57 chris yes
02:58 chris we missed squeeze obviously, but we plan to get them in the next stable release
02:58 queso very nice.  thank you for your help, Chris, I appreciate it.
02:59 chris the main blocker to that is not actually code, but copyright statements, we need to tidy that up on a bunch of files
02:59 chris codewise the packages work well
03:00 queso chris: oh, you mean in terms of getting added to debian repos?  how stable are the debs that are there now?  usable?  or should I just go through with a regular install?
03:00 chris id use the packages
03:00 chris we do (at catalyst) for our clients
03:01 queso If that's the case, then the debs will be good enough for my personal library :)
03:01 chris if you want to do development
03:01 chris i would install koha-common
03:01 chris that will pull in all the dependencies (on squeeze that is)
03:01 chris and then you could clone the repo in git
03:02 chris and run perl Makefile.PL there and choose dev install
03:02 chris that way you can make changes in the repo and have them show up straight away
03:02 chris (that's how i do my development installs anyway)
03:03 queso chris: Okay, I will look into that . . unfortunately I don't know perl
03:05 chris you could fix the .sql files :-)
03:08 queso chris: fix as in remove the mysql-isms?  is there a configuration variable somewhere to say which database to use?  presumably you'd want the .sql files tested in mysql and postgres.  does koha use an orm?
03:09 chris yep there is a configuration variable, it gets set in the koha-conf.xml file
03:10 chris when you run perl Makefile.PL
03:10 chris it will ask you
03:10 chris but seriously, i wouldnt attempt it until you have got koha working for what you want to do first
03:13 queso yeah.  I'll see about helping with that after I've been using it for a bit.  are you frequently in this channel?  I presume (perhaps erroneously) that you are the Chris committing in the git repository?
03:13 chris yeah, im here most days (nz time)
03:15 queso must be nice working on an open source project. :) never done it myself.  I'm near Chicago . . anyway, nice to meet you.  Time for me to go relax. :)
03:15 chris cya later, good luck with the install :)
03:15 queso chris: thanks again for your help
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03:24 Oak \o
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06:12 chris @quote random
06:12 munin chris: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
06:12 chris @quote random
06:12 munin chris: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
06:12 chris @quote random
06:12 munin chris: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
06:13 druthb @quote random
06:13 munin druthb: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 08:35 AM, October 30, 2009)
06:14 druthb @quote random
06:14 munin druthb: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
06:14 druthb @quote random
06:14 munin druthb: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
06:14 robin I can't remember what the context of me saying that was...
06:17 * druthb waves to robin
06:17 robin hullo
06:18 chris @quote random
06:18 munin chris: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
06:18 * chris is adding quips to bugzilla
06:18 chris[…]s.cgi?action=show
06:20 hdl chris can you point me the link to patches needing sign-off please ?
06:20 chris
06:20 chris linked from here
06:21 hdl oops I saw that page... But overlooked the link
06:21 chris no worries
06:21 hdl thanks
06:21 hdl see you soon
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06:27 chris right thats enough mucking around
06:30 CIA-1 Koha: colin.campbell new/bug_5601 * rv3.02.00-514-gd4842d4 /C4/SIP/ (ILS/ Sip/ Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
06:30 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5601 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, SIP Due dates miscalculated via DateTime
06:31 CIA-1 Koha: colin.campbell new/bug_5601 * rv3.02.00-515-g0d5029e /t/SIP_Sip.t: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
06:33 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix <[…]a1aa1be6196e19dfb> / Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return <[…]f7978586ae746888f>
06:34 chris bugfix_plus_unittest++
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4�C (7:35 AM CET on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady).
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06:39 chris hi cait
06:39 cait hi chris
06:39 cait about to go to work
06:39 cait see you later
06:40 chris cya
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06:46 hudsonbot Starting build 283 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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07:03 francharb hello all
07:03 chris hi francharb
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07:05 kf hi #koha
07:05 kf again ;)
07:06 druthb hi, kf. :)
07:09 chris hi kf
07:10 kf hi chris
07:10 kf you were busy - I think I need a new rule for the git commit messages in outlook
07:10 chris heh
07:11 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #283: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/283/
07:11 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
07:11 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
07:24 kf hm, can't delete itemtype - says it's used 10 times
07:24 kf but it's not in items and not in the marcxml
07:24 kf old version of koha though - 3.01.61
07:24 chris check biblioitems.itemtype
07:24 druthb look for it in biblioitems.itemtype?
07:24 druthb jinx!
07:25 chris :)
07:25 chris also, the circ rules
07:25 kf chris/druthb good tipp thx!"
07:25 kf circ rules are clean, now checking bibioitems.itemtype
07:26 kf thx chris :)
07:26 kf thx druthb :)
07:26 druthb :)
07:28 kf this itemtype on biblio level is really a pain
07:29 chris well see it never used to be at biblio level
07:29 chris thats why it was at biblioitem, it was only once biblio an biblioitem became 1-1 that this happened
07:29 kf makes sense
07:29 kf there is also a bug I wanted to report like forever
07:30 kf something with holds not working if you have an itemtype on bibliolevel that is not for hold
07:30 chris it used to be 1 biblio -> many biblioitems -> many items
07:30 kf but have to retest in a current version
07:30 chris but MARC cant handle that
07:31 chris right now, if magnus was here he would paste this
07:31 chris
07:31 chris :)
07:31 kf hehe
07:34 kf itemtype deleted.
07:34 druthb As long as the 900-pound gorilla that is OCLC says the MARC record isn't gonna die, then it won't die.  In this country, anyway, if you want to participate in ILL in any big way, you're gonna have to deal with OCLC.
07:35 chris yeah
07:35 chris sometimes libraries are their own worst enemies
07:35 druthb s/libraries/librarians/
07:35 chris but
07:35 chris dealing with MARC
07:35 chris doesnt mean we have to only deal with MARC
07:36 chris just means we have to be able to crosswalk to and from it
07:36 druthb correct.  I'd like to see Koha become more format-agnostic.
07:36 chris yup
07:37 druthb That has lots of hairy implications--how do you manage those format policies, indexing, editing tools, display, and on and on.  But I'd like to see it able to handle any ISO-2709 or XML-compliant record.
07:37 chris yep
07:37 chris it wont be easy, but its something we should move to, we can move much faster than the big dinosaurs
07:37 chris gotta keep evolving or die
07:37 druthb yup.
07:38 druthb I'm off to bed.   See y'all soon!
07:38 chris sleep well
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07:50 kf owen++
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07:55 kf morning hdl
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08:52 ivanc hi kf
08:52 ivanc hi #koha
08:59 kf hi ivanc
09:00 markk hi ivanc
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09:10 paul_p hello #koha
09:11 * paul_p heads to switzerland in 3 hours for a new customer
09:15 kf oh switzerland
09:15 kf and hi paul_p :)
09:17 paul_p kf: lausanne [Haute Ecole de Musique]
09:17 kf still 288km away from us
09:21 chris paul_p: do you remember regula sebastio
09:21 chris did some translation work on koha way back
09:21 chris she lives there
09:21 paul_p yes I eo
09:21 paul_p s/eo/do/
09:21 chris or lived
09:22 paul_p will go again in a few months for the training, i'll try to catch her !
09:22 chris cool
09:22 paul_p for this trip, i'll see my oncle that lives in Leysin, ski station east of Leman Lake
09:23 paul_p kf, maybe you know leysin ? Otherwise, it's really a wondefull great excellent magnifique small swiss town.
09:23 * chris has been to bern, zurich, basel and luzerne
09:24 chris rode the train from basel to Marseille
09:25 chris and from paris to luzerne
09:25 hdl hi
09:25 kf chris is a real world traveller
09:25 kf chris?
09:26 kf oh, is the bot gone?
09:26 chris no ibot :)
09:26 chris ill bring it back
09:26 kf paul_p: I have been to aarau for a school exchange and to basel
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09:27 chris welcome back ibot
09:27 kf hm. kreuzlingen - our neighbour town and schaffhausen for a presentation
09:27 kf so not much swiss experience :)
09:27 kf ibot botsnack extra-large-cookie
09:27 ibot thanks kf :)
09:27 kf chris is a real world traveller
09:27 kf chris?
09:27 ibot i heard chris was awesome
09:29 kf paul_p: hope you have a good trip
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09:53 chris night all
09:55 kf good night chris
10:01 hdl nigth chris
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10:27 Nur Hi everybody
10:27 Nur I am facing problem to install net-zoom-perl module
10:29 Nur when I am trying to install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl it says
10:31 Nur libnet-z3950-zoom-perl : Depends: libyaz3
10:33 Nur anybody is here
10:33 Nur please help me to solve this problem
10:35 kf Nur: sorry, I am not sure how this can be solves - which OS are you using?
11:04 Nur I ma using debian squeeze
11:04 Nur and I installed libyaz4
11:07 Nur anybody can help me by giving squeeze repository that mean source /etc/apt/sources.list
11:07 Nur which are appropriate for koha
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11:10 kf I think you need no entry in the sources.list
11:10 kf have you added an entry there? I once had a problem when installing on the newest version of ubuntu
11:11 kf and it was solved after I deleted the indexdata repositories from my sources list that I had added earlier (using an older manual) and used sudo apt-get
11:12 Nur but  I am using squeeze
11:13 Nur I installed 3.02.00, on squeeze 4 times
11:13 Nur but I did not faced this problem before.
11:14 kf I am sorry, out of ideas then
11:14 Nur previously it installed normally
11:14 Nur Ok
11:14 Nur thanks
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11:49 paul_p time to head for my train... bye bye world
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12:59 ephazz hello everyone
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13:01 ephazz been trying to import bibs with items without any luck
13:02 jwagner ephazz, what version?
13:03 ephazz
13:08 ephazz anynhelp regarding this?
13:12 schuster What tag do you have your items in?
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13:18 owen Hi everyone
13:19 schuster heyo!
13:23 ephazz thing is in my current system, holdings information is held in field 852a - Lcation, 852k - Call number prefix e.g. HF, 852h - Classification part e.g. 5415, 852i - Item part e.g. SMI. Now i want to map do i do these to koha what
13:23 ephazz what do i do
13:24 ephazz Barcode is in 852p
13:25 jwagner ephazz, do you have branchcodes in 852a and 852b?
13:27 ephazz no, 852a is for the location of the book e.g. Main Library Openshelves
13:30 ephazz can i send someone my sample marc record to play around with?
13:34 ephazz help!
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13:49 owen Hi druthb
13:50 druthb hi, owen! :D
13:51 owen You're up early for your timezone aren't you?
13:52 druthb little bit.  Getting up to get pretty for breakfast in an hour.  :)
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14:09 jwagner ephazz, sorry, was away.  the 952a has to be a branchcode.  What you're talking about is shelving location, which is 952c.  And you have to use the actual policy codes, not the descriptions.
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14:12 schuster ephazz - sorry was reading some things on RDA - you need to use a marc editor program to change all your 852 stuff to 952 before importing unless you change the framework.
14:13 kf_a and changing the framework is not a good idea - because you would have to chagne all zebra indexes as well
14:13 schuster MarcEdit is a great tool to help you with that.  Or there are other Marc Editing tools you can use as well.  well there ya have it from kf_a!
14:13 jwagner Here is a breakdown of the Koha item fields from the old manual:[…]2item%20fields%22
14:13 jwagner Can't find the equivalent table in the current manual offhand -- must be there somewhere but I'm not finding it.
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14:14 schuster ah thanks jwagner I didn't have a chance to look at that yet.
14:14 kf schuster: tried that once in the beginning - no fun :) better way is to make data koha-ish
14:14 ephazz ok will try to use marc magician
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14:17 briceSanc hello
14:18 briceSanc[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5611
14:18 munin Bug 5611: blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
14:20 owen briceSanc: I thought I saw atz say something yesterday about tags not working under mod_perl. Or is that discussion where the bug report comes from?
14:20 atz briceSanc was the one reporting it
14:20 atz i think if we are going to try to support mod_perl it will take a lot more effort though
14:22 chris_n google has really messed up their oid stuff
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14:23 atz chris_n, ?
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14:36 eternalsw We are using Cutter's two-figure table to generate our cutter number.  This needs to be made available to the spine label system as well as shown along with the call number on search results.  I would like it in the add item form.  I have a php script that calculates the cutter number when given the author's name and the title.  I'm not very proficient with perl and need some guidance.
14:38 chris_n atz: they are rolling out all of their business features to academic accounts
14:38 chris_n in the process there are some bugs... imagine that
14:39 chris_n with multiple logins
14:39 eternalsw I'm assuming I need to add a column to one of the database tables for cutter number?  or is there some equivalent field that I can just tie into?
14:39 chris_n it appears that one of those is to confuse the oid service as to which account you really are logging in under
14:41 kf eternalsw: perhaps try the mailinglist for your question - koha-devel should be a good starting point
14:41 kf etnernalsw: I have no idea what a cutternumber is :)
14:42 schuster eternalsw - isn't it just part of the regular call number?
14:43 eternalsw is it possible to have a multiline call number in koha?
14:43 schuster have any of you heard of "Next-L Enju is an open source integrated library system developed by Project Next-L, the library geek community in Japan launched on November 2006."
14:43 schuster I guess you could use the copy field
14:43 schuster I don't speak/read Japanese - but here is an example of that catalog - - it is supposed to be frbrized...
14:44 briceSanc owen, atz, our first school of 21 is running Koha since this Monday:
14:45 schuster briceSanc - cool!  you mean your first batch of 21 schools?
14:45 owen Congratulations briceSanc!
14:45 briceSanc schuster, yes !
14:45 briceSanc owen, thanks :)
14:45 owen (and wow, that URL is a mouthful! )
14:46 owen briceSanc: Did you make changes to the OPAC template or is that all CSS?
14:47 briceSanc owen, we have made changes in CCS and a little in HTML
14:47 schuster Yes the displays are very clean in the opac.
14:47 kf looks very nice!
14:48 briceSanc it was very hard to make a new template and stay close to the community
14:49 kf I like the icons for lists and cart
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14:49 briceSanc This is the result of more than 6 months of work  with 5 full time staff in the SYS-TECH company (
14:49 briceSanc (little ads ^^)
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15:00 eternalsw I guess I can add it to the call number fieldseparated by some special character and add some javascript to insert a <br /> instead of that character
15:03 kf eternalsw: I think the label module does some line breaking of callnumbers
15:04 kf I think adding a line break in opac will cause some problems
15:04 kf for example the availability line in search results
15:04 kf displays the callnumber - a line break would not work good there
15:05 eternalsw will play around with it.  need to find out how to add it to the call number first.
15:05 eternalsw automatically that is.
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15:35 kf *sighs*
15:35 kf I broke my fines and notices
15:35 kf and have no idea why
15:41 jwagner kf, because you were mad at them?  :-)
15:41 jwagner I feel like breaking things all the time!
15:43 kf hm ok
15:43 kf perhaps enough reason to go home now?
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15:50 wizzyrea it would be neat to have a folder filing system for saved reports :P
15:51 kf have thoguht the same a while ago
15:51 kf like "end of year statistics" "maintenance" etc.
15:51 * owen startles at the sudden appearance of wizzyrea
15:51 wizzyrea hello :)
15:51 kf and hi liz :)
15:51 wizzyrea good morning/evening, as the case may be
15:51 wizzyrea kf: yes, def
15:52 wizzyrea I can see an authorized value type thing, where you define your report categories, then you get a drop down to pick when you create it
15:52 * wizzyrea is looking at a list of saved reports of over 200, sighs.
15:53 wizzyrea edit -> find is my friend I guess
15:53 wizzyrea back to my hole now
15:54 owen Firefox preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Accessibility -> Search for text when I start typing
15:54 wizzyrea oh wow, that's a great tip
15:54 wizzyrea I did not know it did that
15:54 owen It's one of the first things I turn on with any new Firefox install. I wish Chrome had it.
16:08 briceSanc what do you think about zebraqueue daemon ?
16:12 wizzyrea I've heard that it has memory leaks
16:12 wizzyrea or something.
16:14 briceSanc yes, but can we use it if we restart the daemon every night ?
16:15 schuster wizzyrea++ on the reports problem - I have over 1200 of them...  Not fun to edit 50 of them every year when I have to change dates for say the end of year report.
16:15 schuster It is also slow to bring up the list because there are soooooo many of them.
16:16 ibot okay, schuster.
16:16 owen ibot: Forget it
16:16 ibot owen: I forgot it
16:16 owen ibot: Never remember it again
16:16 ibot owen: excuse me?
16:16 schuster oooo ibot has an attitude...
16:16 schuster Like my 10 year old.
16:17 schuster I thought something was in the works for this with community?  3.4?
16:17 schuster The reports piece.
16:18 schuster hmmm - RFC - but no action maybe -[…]uided_reports_RFC
16:23 jcamins_a Is there a syspref to enable placing a hold on items that are on order?
16:23 kf no
16:23 owen jcamins_a: I think the trick is you have to have at least one item?
16:23 kf on order like not for loan on order?
16:24 kf jcamins_a: using the new acq you can create items during the order process - you can use a speciel itemtype if you want or the normal itemtype that can be placed on hold anyway
16:25 jcamins_a Hm, we have items already, but with notforloan set to -1.
16:25 kf schuster: that's available in 3.2 - check the help files for sql reports - guided reports is a bit misleading
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16:26 kf jcamins_a: I think the problem is that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
16:27 jcamins_a Okay, so if an item is on order, you can't place a hold on it, at least at the moment.
16:27 jcamins_a Thanks.
16:28 kf hm jcamins_a: bug 2341
16:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2341 critical, P3, ---, chris, NEW, items marked 'On Order' (notforloan == -1) don't interact correctly with opac-reserve.tmpl
16:28 kf not sure about the status
16:28 kf it's quite old
16:28 owen jcamins_a: We can place holds on on-order items in NPL's live catalog, but that's a little behind 3.2
16:29 jcamins_a Hm.
16:29 jcamins_a I guess this probably is a misconfiguration, then.
16:29 kf I don't see a way to configure it
16:29 jcamins_a Hm.
16:29 jcamins_a Well, I'll work on it a bit later.
16:30 kf I thought i was not able to place holds on them... have to recheck sometime :(
16:30 kf time to leave
16:30 kf bye all :)
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16:33 owen jcamins_a: I'm interested to hear what you find. My test system doesn't let me put a hold on on-order items either, so that's a red flag for NPL
16:43 schuster wizzyrea you still here?  The documentation link is doing strange things on
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16:46 wizzyrea yep, not surprising
16:47 wizzyrea i'm working on the manual at the mo
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17:18 druthb o/
17:19 chris hi nengard and druthb
17:20 nengard hiya
17:23 chris @wunder wellington nz
17:23 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:23 chris stupid cold front
17:24 jwagner @wunder 20817
17:24 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 0.4�C (12:24 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).
17:24 jwagner yeah, stupid cold front :-)
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17:30 owen @wunder 45701
17:30 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -2.8�C (12:30 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...
17:31 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:31 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.5�C (6:30 PM CET on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
17:31 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
17:31 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -13.9�C (11:31 AM CST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.83 in 1043.9 hPa (Steady). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today...
17:31 cait ouch
17:31 wizzyrea zounds
17:31 wizzyrea um ya it's freezing out there
17:32 owen My face hurts just thinking about that
17:32 chris_n @wunder 28334
17:32 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.4�C (12:31 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
17:33 * cait sends wizzyrea hot chocolate
17:34 wizzyrea thanks :) we have a lovely snow on the ground though
17:35 cait our winter here is a bit crazy this year
17:35 cait had only a few real cold days - now it's quite warm
17:38 hdl have a nice evening
17:43 CIA-1 Koha: brice.sanchez new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-516-ge0d76bd /C4/ Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
17:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
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17:46 CIA-1 Koha: colin.campbell new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-517-g073fb1a / (C4/ t/Scrubber.t): Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
17:52 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster * rv3.02.00-518-gb73f0f5 /docs/history.txt: Adding new developers to the history
17:55 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber <[…]6ddf584eb6c7813a9> / Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl <[…]f1c4e029812eacf02>
17:57 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster * rv3.02.00-519-g3199350 /docs/history.txt: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
18:00 wizzyrea ooo war of the bots
18:01 hudsonbot Starting build 284 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:02 jwagner The CIA has infiltrated?
18:03 briceSanc thanks for the /docs/history.txt update ^^
18:05 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history <[…]6b71cfa6d9801dc9e> / Adding new developers to the history <[…]1613e24fcee687a7b>
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18:23 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc kcmaster * rv3.02.00-520-g3153abe /docs/history.txt: Typo fix for history file
18:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #284: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/284/
18:24 hudsonbot * Bryce Sanchez: Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
18:24 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
18:24 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding new developers to the history
18:24 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
18:25 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Typo fix for history file <[…]b13f2954c63546cab>
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18:31 hudsonbot Starting build 285 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:44 briceSanc do you have a "Software error" when you try to add an order ( /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/ ) : mismatched tag at line 7, column 2, byte 273 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/ line 187
18:45 owen briceSanc: Did you complete the item form?
18:46 cait briceSanc: you have to choose an itemtype
18:46 * owen thinks he got that error just today when submitting the form without entering item details
18:46 briceSanc hummm... i 'm going to check that
18:47 briceSanc i search existing notices
18:47 cait oh
18:47 cait owen: yes, thought the same
18:47 chris Itentype is the crucial one
18:47 chris And its on robin and my list to trap and report the error better
18:48 briceSanc ok :)
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18:48 briceSanc it works with an item type, we should add a error message before the software error ;0
18:48 briceSanc ;)
18:48 briceSanc thanks owen and cait !
18:49 chris briceSanc: that's what I just said :)
18:50 briceSanc chris : oh, yes the same :)
18:50 chris Check docs/history.txt in master
18:50 chris You are famous
18:52 briceSanc ahah ! i saw ! 2 commits for me ... it's the better Koha-day of my life :)
18:52 chris_n nearly 70 commits for 3.2.3 thus far
18:52 chris Sweet
18:53 * chris_n suddenly realizes he failed to update bugzilla after the 3.2.2 release
18:54 chris Ahh that's a few bugs to change
18:54 chris Where's our bug wranglers?
18:55 chris Maybe need to put that on the meeting agenda
18:55 chris Call for some more volunteers
18:55 chris Librarians would be ideal
18:56 cait this librarian has had a time problem :(
18:56 chris Ahh u do tons already cait
18:57 cait not so much since xmaas
18:57 cait hope it will get better soon
18:57 owen What needs to be updated in bugzilla?
18:57 chris Pretty much none of the ones who are on irc could be expected to do much more
18:57 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #285: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/285/
18:57 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Typo fix for history file
18:58 chris owen: after a release need to work through the change log updating the status pf the bugs
18:58 chris But in general
18:59 chris Some ppl starting at 1 and working up closing bugs or updating them with questions
18:59 chris Maybe an hour a week ... if 20 ppl did that
18:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Typo fix for history file <[…]89165808b57663435> / Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history <[…]cf54e67fe3d426dd4> / Adding new developers to the history <[…]ff7bb2a93e5c7eff9
19:00 briceSanc chris, do you want to fix the item type problem for 3.2.3 ?
19:00 chris We'd get it tidied up fast, (version numbers, things marked resolved for years, etc)
19:00 chris_n owen: I usually parse 'git log --oneline' for bug numbers and then put them into a comma separated list to search bugzilla
19:00 chris_n then do a multi-bug update
19:01 chris briceSanc: ideally, but no guarantees ill have time, if someone else did that would be great, string freeze very soon though
19:01 hudsonbot Starting build 81 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:02 chris I think 3 days right chris_n?
19:02 chris_n right... 15th
19:02 chris_n zulu hour UTC
19:04 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #25: SUCCESS in 16 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/25/
19:04 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add intro to cataloging section
19:09 cait chris_n: that's string freeze, right?
19:21 chris_n cait: yes
19:22 CIA-1 Koha: chrisc new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-518-gbe37db4 /C4/ Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
19:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
19:22 cait ok :) have to remember to translate
19:24 moodaepo @wunder 56001
19:24 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -11.7�C (1:24 PM CST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1034.8 hPa (Steady).
19:25 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #81: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/81/
19:25 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
19:26 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
19:26 hudsonbot * Bryce Sanchez: Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
19:26 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
19:26 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding new developers to the history
19:26 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
19:26 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Typo fix for history file
19:27 CIA-1 Koha: nahuel.angelinetti new/bug_3743 * rv3.02.00-523-ge8de8b9 /reports/ (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
19:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3743 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Acquisition stats ordering by month
19:31 hudsonbot Starting build 286 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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19:35 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5611' into kcmaster <[…]3a72b7cbd10680669> / Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments <[…]d12d2a6e09bb9dc91>
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19:36 Brooke hey
19:36 chris heya Brooke
19:36 Brooke :)
19:37 wizzyrea hi brooke
19:37 * Brooke feels the love
19:39 chris_n big money flowing here:
19:41 chris community source
19:42 chris soounds way too much like microsofts shared source
19:42 chris for my liking
19:42 chris just develop free software, and stop being so damn precious
19:44 rhcl_away I think academic libraries must have a certain sense of their position in life
19:45 rhcl_away a sense not necessarily shared by others
19:46 chris i think you may well be on to something there
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19:55 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #286: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/286/
19:55 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
19:55 chris yeah buddy
19:56 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering <[…]e2c3f3e43ea43d963>
19:56 hudsonbot Starting build 287 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:56 chris
19:56 chris i sing this everytime a blocker is fixed
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20:01 * Brooke waves at fcapo
20:02 fcapo hello
20:03 hdl hi Brooke
20:03 Brooke :)
20:03 hdl owen: thanks for your feedback
20:10 owen hdl: On Bug 5575? I'm sorry I couldn't be here when paul was hoping for a QA session
20:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5575 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, 3.4 BibLibre circ & members improvements
20:11 briceSanc[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5449
20:11 munin Bug 5449: blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
20:14 jwagner owen, online?
20:15 owen As of four minutes ago, and still!
20:15 chris briceSanc: yep, its waiting for signoff
20:15 briceSanc chris, okay :)
20:15 chris briceSanc: see if you can sweet talk someone into doing some QA on it for ya ;-)
20:15 chris id like to push it before 3.2.3
20:16 jwagner You pointed me to the very useful site for matching image colors, but it seems to have gone away.  The other site I had for uploading images doesn't like me any more either :-(  But I found this tool which seems to work.
20:16 jwagner Wondered if you'd used it or had any feedback on it or others:[…]tch-image-colors/
20:17 briceSanc we have done QA in the company but none outsite
20:17 briceSanc it's meeting time
20:17 briceSanc i go
20:17 briceSanc bye all
20:17 owen jwagner: No, never heard of it. But I don't often find the need for that kind of tool
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20:18 chris @later tell briceSanc get someone inside the company to signoff on the patch, its not as good as external, but it does let me know more than one pair of eyes have looked at it
20:18 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
20:18 chris briceSanc++
20:19 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #287: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/287/
20:19 hudsonbot Nahuel ANGELINETTI: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
20:19 cait jwagner: you need a tool to find the color (for html/css) of a picture?
20:19 jwagner owen, I find I need it a lot to try to match the colors in logo files.  Thought it was worth mentioning.
20:20 cait jwagner: i use the colorpicker plugin for firefox
20:20 jwagner cait, yes.  Someone sends me a logo and they want the whole background of the header to match.
20:20 jwagner There's a plugin???
20:20 * jwagner had better go look....
20:20 cait not sure it's as exact as the other sites
20:20 cait never used something else
20:21 jwagner The site was great.  I hope it comes back.  For the last couple of weeks at least, it's just been saying that the site is down.
20:21 cait hm perhaps the right name is colorzilla
20:21 cait I don
20:22 cait colorzilla
20:22 cait
20:23 jwagner Thanks, cait -- that will help!
20:27 cait owen: I had a request to reorder the search options on the advanced search page pull down
20:27 cait owen: do you have a jquery hint for me? what would you use to reorder?
20:28 cait ah I was wrong
20:28 * cait should read her tickets better
20:28 cait the want a different one selected
20:28 cait I know how to do that I think - ignore me :)
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20:31 wizzyrea owen: i wonder if you've ever come across the problem where a search like "miracle worker             dvd" causes an unresponsive script in the jquery highlighting plugin thingy
20:32 wizzyrea (that's with all of the spaces)
20:32 owen No, but I'll give it a try
20:32 * wizzyrea will go try it in 3.2 proper... just realized I wasn't in koha when I did that.
20:33 wizzyrea this is intranet, btw
20:33 wizzyrea aha
20:33 wizzyrea unless you come up with different results, you can igonre that
20:33 wizzyrea it's only in our system
20:33 owen No problems here
20:33 owen Has anyone confirmed that Bug 5449 exists?
20:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
20:34 chris not me
20:34 owen I was able to import records under my branch with an upgraded jQuery
20:35 chris maybe note that on the bug
20:36 * owen did
20:36 chris cool
20:36 * owen also found the patch wasn't formatted correctly for git am :P
20:38 owen hdl: When we have jQueryUI successfully added I'm thinking this might be better than tabs for displaying patron details in
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20:41 wizzyrea @later tell nengard[…]ation/3-2-manual/ looks better, and[…]on/3-4-manual-en/ seems to look ok too
20:41 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:45 chris wizzyrea++ #im glad you are looking after the manual website
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20:50 Brooke HA!
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20:52 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering <[…]e1a4cc87a1b8ccbd5> / Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments <[…]11c19ccb92f37c641>
20:53 wizzyrea ha?
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20:54 druthb o/
20:54 druthb hi, Brooke!
20:54 Brooke :)
20:55 cait hi Brooke
20:56 Brooke :)
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21:00 wizzyrea @later tell sekjal totally dig the rfc for holds improvements. WANT.
21:00 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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21:01 owen I read that RFC the same way I watched previous for the new Tron movie. Want to be excited about it, but don't want to set myself up for disappointment.
21:01 owen s/previous/previews
21:02 wizzyrea ya, I think even if it's initially buggy, a lot of the underlying things that boggle us day to day will be helped by it
21:03 * wizzyrea doesn't mind buggy, as long as we can fix it
21:03 chris developed in the open and released early and often for testing
21:03 chris thems the keys
21:05 cait :)
21:08 wizzyrea speaking of which, did you see the new tron, owen?
21:08 * wizzyrea hasn't seen it yet
21:08 owen It's worth seeing if you're a fan of the original
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21:17 Brooke if anyone plays World of Warcraft, there's a virtual gaming workshop in 45ish minutes on the Saurfang realm in the Library of Ironforge.
21:18 Brooke \
21:19 Brooke cheers
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21:21 wizzyrea a virtual gaming workshop
21:21 * wizzyrea does not have a character on saurfang, and certainly could not get one there in 30 minutes
21:21 wizzyrea hrmph.
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21:21 wizzyrea but, this idea seems compelling. :P
21:23 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #82: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/82/
21:23 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
21:23 hudsonbot * Nahuel ANGELINETTI: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
21:28 cait fredericd: around?
21:35 cait grr
21:35 cait recreating the french templates in 3.2.x does not create the css folder
21:35 cait recreationg the German files does
21:35 cait I even created both template folders completely
21:35 cait before recreating them
21:35 cait that's weird!
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21:56 cait I give up
21:56 cait good night all :)
21:57 drulm So-Long
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22:30 wasabi hi folks, a pretty random perl question here...
22:31 wasabi does anyone else often get these errors in the koha log, when dev-ing...
22:31 wasabi " Deep recursion on subroutine "utf8::SWASHNEW" at /usr/share/perl/5.10/ line 251.,"
22:31 wasabi i seem to get these, *rather* than a more helpful general syntax error :/
22:33 wasabi my code often seems to give me that error and spin in a hard-loop, rather than print the syntax error and die
22:34 wasabi anyone else bump into the same problem?
22:34 chris nope
22:35 atz strange.... sounds like you have some malformed unicode data
22:35 atz or maybe your locale is set to something non UTF8?
22:35 wasabi yeah, its a weird none, for me too...
22:40 wasabi ooooh,[…]nuary/022277.html
22:41 wasabi something very similar
22:42 wasabi tho, my DEBUG level is at 1, not 2...
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22:46 wasabi ive made a trivial edit to, and i get this crazy error and a hardloop
22:49 wasabi wow, setting KOHA_DEBUG "0" , and DEBUG "0"  in my apache conf fixed that!
22:50 wasabi oops, it didn't fix it :/
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