Time  Nick       Message
00:00 nengard    gmcharlt did my email get through?
00:00 gmcharlt   nengard: yep - give me a sec
00:00 nengard    no prob - just flaky wifi over here have had things not get through
00:13 hudsonbot  Project Koha_3.2.x build #79: SUCCESS in 27 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/79/
00:13 hudsonbot  * Ian Walls: Bug 5603: advance_notice.pl uninitialized element in hash
00:13 hudsonbot  * Nicole Engard: bug 5486 remove note about HomeOrHoldingBranch being removed soon
00:13 hudsonbot  * Nicole Engard: bug 4131 have subscription so edit routing if one exists
00:23 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #282: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/282/
00:23 hudsonbot  Magnus Enger: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example
00:38 munin      New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f40dccb22b04d23bc9b18bdfb5122283baf593e>
00:46 hudsonbot  Starting build 80 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:04 gmcharlt   nengard: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Holdstatusworkflow.png
01:04 nengard    thanks gmcharlt
01:08 Brooke     Copenhagen - Berlin, how hard could it be?
01:09 hudsonbot  Project Koha_3.2.x build #80: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/80/
01:09 hudsonbot  Magnus Enger: Bug 5055 Use standard file paths in crontab.example
01:12 chris      heh
02:08 chris      http://yfrog.com/h446kjvj
02:24 chris      colin++ #unit tests
02:46 queso      I'm looking for a solution to catalog my home library. Will Koha work for this, or would it be overkill?
02:46 chris      how big is your collection?
02:47 chris      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Documentation/newbieguide
02:48 queso      chris: I don't know, that's why I want to catelog it. :) it's 10 bookcases, something like 3ft x 6ft each . . so, the whole basement.
02:48 chris      if you know something about cataloguing and library standards it will be easier, but you could do it if you follow the newbie guide (that presumes you have it installed)
02:49 queso      chris: I'm a software developer so I should be able to get it to work. I was looking around in a demo trying to figure out how to add a book and couldn't do it.
02:50 queso      chris: So the newbie guide will be good. Thank you for the link.
02:50 chris      the newbie guide and the manual will walk you through that
02:50 queso      chris: Koha supports mysql and what other database?
02:50 chris      http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/
02:51 chris      thats about it at the moment, it fluctuates, but there are some mysqlisms in a couple of the .sql files it uses to set it up at the moment, im hoping to rip those back out for 3.4
02:51 queso      chris: Hopefully it will support postgresql? It's such a better database . .
02:51 queso      chris: or does support it?
02:52 chris      it used to, it could now, if someone cleaned up those sql files
02:52 chris      but im not interested in a database war :)
02:52 chris      or vim vs emacs or anything else like that
02:54 queso      chris: okay, no prob. :) so right now it officially only supports mysql?
02:55 chris      yup
02:55 chris      3.2.x does
02:55 robin      chris: just so long as you agree that bash is better than tcsh
02:55 chris      hehe
02:56 chris      i dont use a shell, i tap wires together to change voltage currents
02:56 queso      heh
02:57 queso      Are the debian packages, when no longer experimental, intended to be supported long-term?
02:57 chris      yes
02:58 chris      we missed squeeze obviously, but we plan to get them in the next stable release
02:58 queso      very nice.  thank you for your help, Chris, I appreciate it.
02:59 chris      the main blocker to that is not actually code, but copyright statements, we need to tidy that up on a bunch of files
02:59 chris      codewise the packages work well
03:00 queso      chris: oh, you mean in terms of getting added to debian repos?  how stable are the debs that are there now?  usable?  or should I just go through with a regular install?
03:00 chris      id use the packages
03:00 chris      we do (at catalyst) for our clients
03:01 queso      If that's the case, then the debs will be good enough for my personal library :)
03:01 chris      if you want to do development
03:01 chris      i would install koha-common
03:01 chris      that will pull in all the dependencies (on squeeze that is)
03:01 chris      and then you could clone the repo in git
03:02 chris      and run perl Makefile.PL there and choose dev install
03:02 chris      that way you can make changes in the repo and have them show up straight away
03:02 chris      (that's how i do my development installs anyway)
03:03 queso      chris: Okay, I will look into that . . unfortunately I don't know perl
03:05 chris      you could fix the .sql files :-)
03:08 queso      chris: fix as in remove the mysql-isms?  is there a configuration variable somewhere to say which database to use?  presumably you'd want the .sql files tested in mysql and postgres.  does koha use an orm?
03:09 chris      yep there is a configuration variable, it gets set in the koha-conf.xml file
03:10 chris      when you run perl Makefile.PL
03:10 chris      it will ask you
03:10 chris      but seriously, i wouldnt attempt it until you have got koha working for what you want to do first
03:13 queso      yeah.  I'll see about helping with that after I've been using it for a bit.  are you frequently in this channel?  I presume (perhaps erroneously) that you are the Chris committing in the git repository?
03:13 chris      yeah, im here most days (nz time)
03:15 queso      must be nice working on an open source project. :) never done it myself.  I'm near Chicago . . anyway, nice to meet you.  Time for me to go relax. :)
03:15 chris      cya later, good luck with the install :)
03:15 queso      chris: thanks again for your help
03:24 Oak        \o
05:20 cait       hi #koha
06:12 chris      @quote random
06:12 munin      chris: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
06:12 chris      @quote random
06:12 munin      chris: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
06:12 chris      @quote random
06:12 munin      chris: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
06:13 druthb     @quote random
06:13 munin      druthb: Quote #43: "< Ropuch> Uh - beware of tea: it can burn your throat" (added by chris at 08:35 AM, October 30, 2009)
06:14 druthb     @quote random
06:14 munin      druthb: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010)
06:14 druthb     @quote random
06:14 munin      druthb: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
06:14 robin      I can't remember what the context of me saying that was...
06:17 * druthb   waves to robin
06:17 robin      hullo
06:18 chris      @quote random
06:18 munin      chris: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
06:18 * chris    is adding quips to bugzilla
06:18 chris      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/quips.cgi?action=show
06:20 hdl        chris can you point me the link to patches needing sign-off please ?
06:20 chris      http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
06:20 chris      linked from here
06:21 hdl        oops I saw that page... But overlooked the link
06:21 chris      no worries
06:21 hdl        thanks
06:21 hdl        see you soon
06:27 chris      right thats enough mucking around
06:30 CIA-1      Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5601 * rv3.02.00-514-gd4842d4 10/C4/SIP/ (ILS/Item.pm Sip.pm Sip/MsgType.pm): Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
06:30 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5601 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, SIP Due dates miscalculated via DateTime
06:31 CIA-1      Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5601 * rv3.02.00-515-g0d5029e 10/t/SIP_Sip.t: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
06:33 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d5029ec5b3b95a3e38b67aa1aa1be6196e19dfb> / Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4842d45601bd0f9c1bd33bf7978586ae746888f>
06:34 chris      bugfix_plus_unittest++
06:37 cait       @wunder Konstanz
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06:39 chris      hi cait
06:39 cait       hi chris
06:39 cait       about to go to work
06:39 cait       see you later
06:40 chris      cya
06:46 hudsonbot  Starting build 283 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:03 francharb  hello all
07:03 chris      hi francharb
07:05 kf         hi #koha
07:05 kf         again ;)
07:06 druthb     hi, kf. :)
07:09 chris      hi kf
07:10 kf         hi chris
07:10 kf         you were busy - I think I need a new rule for the git commit messages in outlook
07:10 chris      heh
07:11 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #283: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/283/
07:11 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
07:11 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
07:24 kf         hm, can't delete itemtype - says it's used 10 times
07:24 kf         but it's not in items and not in the marcxml
07:24 kf         old version of koha though - 3.01.61
07:24 chris      check biblioitems.itemtype
07:24 druthb     look for it in biblioitems.itemtype?
07:24 druthb     jinx!
07:25 chris      :)
07:25 chris      also, the circ rules
07:25 kf         chris/druthb good tipp thx!"
07:25 kf         circ rules are clean, now checking bibioitems.itemtype
07:26 kf         thx chris :)
07:26 kf         thx druthb :)
07:26 druthb     :)
07:28 kf         this itemtype on biblio level is really a pain
07:29 chris      well see it never used to be at biblio level
07:29 chris      thats why it was at biblioitem, it was only once biblio an biblioitem became 1-1 that this happened
07:29 kf         makes sense
07:29 kf         there is also a bug I wanted to report like forever
07:30 kf         something with holds not working if you have an itemtype on bibliolevel that is not for hold
07:30 chris      it used to be 1 biblio -> many biblioitems -> many items
07:30 kf         but have to retest in a current version
07:30 chris      but MARC cant handle that
07:31 chris      right now, if magnus was here he would paste this
07:31 chris      http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page
07:31 chris      :)
07:31 kf         hehe
07:34 kf         itemtype deleted.
07:34 druthb     As long as the 900-pound gorilla that is OCLC says the MARC record isn't gonna die, then it won't die.  In this country, anyway, if you want to participate in ILL in any big way, you're gonna have to deal with OCLC.
07:35 chris      yeah
07:35 chris      sometimes libraries are their own worst enemies
07:35 druthb     s/libraries/librarians/
07:35 chris      but
07:35 chris      dealing with MARC
07:35 chris      doesnt mean we have to only deal with MARC
07:36 chris      just means we have to be able to crosswalk to and from it
07:36 druthb     correct.  I'd like to see Koha become more format-agnostic.
07:36 chris      yup
07:37 druthb     That has lots of hairy implications--how do you manage those format policies, indexing, editing tools, display, and on and on.  But I'd like to see it able to handle any ISO-2709 or XML-compliant record.
07:37 chris      yep
07:37 chris      it wont be easy, but its something we should move to, we can move much faster than the big dinosaurs
07:37 chris      gotta keep evolving or die
07:37 druthb     yup.
07:38 druthb     I'm off to bed.   See y'all soon!
07:38 chris      sleep well
07:50 kf         owen++
07:55 kf         morning hdl
08:52 ivanc      hi kf
08:52 ivanc      hi #koha
08:59 kf         hi ivanc
09:00 markk      hi ivanc
09:10 paul_p     hello #koha
09:11 * paul_p   heads to switzerland in 3 hours for a new customer
09:15 kf         oh switzerland
09:15 kf         and hi paul_p :)
09:17 paul_p     kf: lausanne [Haute Ecole de Musique]
09:17 kf         still 288km away from us
09:21 chris      paul_p: do you remember regula sebastio
09:21 chris      did some translation work on koha way back
09:21 chris      she lives there
09:21 paul_p     yes I eo
09:21 paul_p     s/eo/do/
09:21 chris      or lived
09:22 paul_p     will go again in a few months for the training, i'll try to catch her !
09:22 chris      cool
09:22 paul_p     for this trip, i'll see my oncle that lives in Leysin, ski station east of Leman Lake
09:23 paul_p     kf, maybe you know leysin ? Otherwise, it's really a wondefull great excellent magnifique small swiss town.
09:23 * chris    has been to bern, zurich, basel and luzerne
09:24 chris      rode the train from basel to Marseille
09:25 chris      and from paris to luzerne
09:25 hdl        hi
09:25 kf         chris is a real world traveller
09:25 kf         chris?
09:26 kf         oh, is the bot gone?
09:26 chris      no ibot :)
09:26 chris      ill bring it back
09:26 kf         paul_p: I have been to aarau for a school exchange and to basel
09:27 chris      welcome back ibot
09:27 kf         hm. kreuzlingen - our neighbour town and schaffhausen for a presentation
09:27 kf         so not much swiss experience :)
09:27 kf         ibot botsnack extra-large-cookie
09:27 ibot       thanks kf :)
09:27 kf         chris is a real world traveller
09:27 kf         chris?
09:27 ibot       i heard chris was awesome
09:29 kf         paul_p: hope you have a good trip
09:53 chris      night all
09:55 kf         good night chris
10:01 hdl        nigth chris
10:27 Nur        Hi everybody
10:27 Nur        I am facing problem to install net-zoom-perl module
10:29 Nur        when I am trying to install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl it says
10:31 Nur        libnet-z3950-zoom-perl : Depends: libyaz3
10:33 Nur        anybody is here
10:33 Nur        please help me to solve this problem
10:35 kf         Nur: sorry, I am not sure how this can be solves - which OS are you using?
11:04 Nur        I ma using debian squeeze
11:04 Nur        and I installed libyaz4
11:07 Nur        anybody can help me by giving squeeze repository that mean source /etc/apt/sources.list
11:07 Nur        which are appropriate for koha
11:10 kf         I think you need no entry in the sources.list
11:10 kf         have you added an entry there? I once had a problem when installing on the newest version of ubuntu
11:11 kf         and it was solved after I deleted the indexdata repositories from my sources list that I had added earlier (using an older manual) and used sudo apt-get
11:12 Nur        but  I am using squeeze
11:13 Nur        I installed 3.02.00, on squeeze 4 times
11:13 Nur        but I did not faced this problem before.
11:14 kf         I am sorry, out of ideas then
11:14 Nur        previously it installed normally
11:14 Nur        Ok
11:14 Nur        thanks
11:49 paul_p     time to head for my train... bye bye world
12:59 ephazz     hello everyone
13:01 ephazz     been trying to import bibs with items without any luck
13:02 jwagner    ephazz, what version?
13:03 ephazz     3.02.00.004
13:08 ephazz     anynhelp regarding this?
13:12 schuster   What tag do you have your items in?
13:18 owen       Hi everyone
13:19 schuster   heyo!
13:23 ephazz     thing is in my current system, holdings information is held in field 852a - Lcation, 852k - Call number prefix e.g. HF, 852h - Classification part e.g. 5415, 852i - Item part e.g. SMI. Now i want to map do i do these to koha what
13:23 ephazz     what do i do
13:24 ephazz     Barcode is in 852p
13:25 jwagner    ephazz, do you have branchcodes in 852a and 852b?
13:27 ephazz     no, 852a is for the location of the book e.g. Main Library Openshelves
13:30 ephazz     can i send someone my sample marc record to play around with?
13:34 ephazz     help!
13:49 owen       Hi druthb
13:50 druthb     hi, owen! :D
13:51 owen       You're up early for your timezone aren't you?
13:52 druthb     little bit.  Getting up to get pretty for breakfast in an hour.  :)
14:09 jwagner    ephazz, sorry, was away.  the 952a has to be a branchcode.  What you're talking about is shelving location, which is 952c.  And you have to use the actual policy codes, not the descriptions.
14:12 schuster   ephazz - sorry was reading some things on RDA - you need to use a marc editor program to change all your 852 stuff to 952 before importing unless you change the framework.
14:13 kf_a       and changing the framework is not a good idea - because you would have to chagne all zebra indexes as well
14:13 schuster   MarcEdit is a great tool to help you with that.  Or there are other Marc Editing tools you can use as well.  well there ya have it from kf_a!
14:13 jwagner    Here is a breakdown of the Koha item fields from the old manual: http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/cataloging/item-fields-data-migration/?searchterm=%22item%20fields%22
14:13 jwagner    Can't find the equivalent table in the current manual offhand -- must be there somewhere but I'm not finding it.
14:14 schuster   ah thanks jwagner I didn't have a chance to look at that yet.
14:14 kf         schuster: tried that once in the beginning - no fun :) better way is to make data koha-ish
14:14 ephazz     ok will try to use marc magician
14:17 briceSanc  hello
14:18 briceSanc  http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5611
14:18 munin      04Bug 5611: blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
14:20 owen       briceSanc: I thought I saw atz say something yesterday about tags not working under mod_perl. Or is that discussion where the bug report comes from?
14:20 atz        briceSanc was the one reporting it
14:20 atz        i think if we are going to try to support mod_perl it will take a lot more effort though
14:22 chris_n    google has really messed up their oid stuff
14:23 atz        chris_n, ?
14:36 eternalsw  We are using Cutter's two-figure table to generate our cutter number.  This needs to be made available to the spine label system as well as shown along with the call number on search results.  I would like it in the add item form.  I have a php script that calculates the cutter number when given the author's name and the title.  I'm not very proficient with perl and need some guidance.
14:38 chris_n    atz: they are rolling out all of their business features to academic accounts
14:38 chris_n    in the process there are some bugs... imagine that
14:39 chris_n    with multiple logins
14:39 eternalsw  I'm assuming I need to add a column to one of the database tables for cutter number?  or is there some equivalent field that I can just tie into?
14:39 chris_n    it appears that one of those is to confuse the oid service as to which account you really are logging in under
14:41 kf         eternalsw: perhaps try the mailinglist for your question - koha-devel should be a good starting point
14:41 kf         etnernalsw: I have no idea what a cutternumber is :)
14:42 schuster   eternalsw - isn't it just part of the regular call number?
14:43 eternalsw  is it possible to have a multiline call number in koha?
14:43 schuster   have any of you heard of "Next-L Enju is an open source integrated library system developed by Project Next-L, the library geek community in Japan launched on November 2006."
14:43 schuster   I guess you could use the copy field
14:43 schuster   I don't speak/read Japanese - but here is an example of that catalog - http://iss.ndl.go.jp/ - it is supposed to be frbrized...
14:44 briceSanc  owen, atz, our first school of 21 is running Koha since this Monday: sthyacinthe.koha.ccsr.qc.ca
14:45 schuster   briceSanc - cool!  you mean your first batch of 21 schools?
14:45 owen       Congratulations briceSanc!
14:45 briceSanc  schuster, yes !
14:45 briceSanc  owen, thanks :)
14:45 owen       (and wow, that URL is a mouthful! )
14:46 owen       briceSanc: Did you make changes to the OPAC template or is that all CSS?
14:47 briceSanc  owen, we have made changes in CCS and a little in HTML
14:47 schuster   Yes the displays are very clean in the opac.
14:47 kf         looks very nice!
14:48 briceSanc  it was very hard to make a new template and stay close to the community
14:49 kf         I like the icons for lists and cart
14:49 briceSanc  This is the result of more than 6 months of work  with 5 full time staff in the SYS-TECH company (www.sys-tech.net)
14:49 briceSanc  (little ads ^^)
15:00 eternalsw  I guess I can add it to the call number fieldseparated by some special character and add some javascript to insert a <br /> instead of that character
15:03 kf         eternalsw: I think the label module does some line breaking of callnumbers
15:04 kf         I think adding a line break in opac will cause some problems
15:04 kf         for example the availability line in search results
15:04 kf         displays the callnumber - a line break would not work good there
15:05 eternalsw  will play around with it.  need to find out how to add it to the call number first.
15:05 eternalsw  automatically that is.
15:35 kf         *sighs*
15:35 kf         I broke my fines and notices
15:35 kf         and have no idea why
15:41 jwagner    kf, because you were mad at them?  :-)
15:41 jwagner    I feel like breaking things all the time!
15:43 kf         hm ok
15:43 kf         perhaps enough reason to go home now?
15:50 wizzyrea   it would be neat to have a folder filing system for saved reports :P
15:51 kf         have thoguht the same a while ago
15:51 kf         like "end of year statistics" "maintenance" etc.
15:51 * owen     startles at the sudden appearance of wizzyrea
15:51 wizzyrea   hello :)
15:51 kf         and hi liz :)
15:51 wizzyrea   good morning/evening, as the case may be
15:51 wizzyrea   kf: yes, def
15:52 wizzyrea   I can see an authorized value type thing, where you define your report categories, then you get a drop down to pick when you create it
15:52 * wizzyrea is looking at a list of saved reports of over 200, sighs.
15:53 wizzyrea   edit -> find is my friend I guess
15:53 wizzyrea   back to my hole now
15:54 owen       Firefox preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Accessibility -> Search for text when I start typing
15:54 wizzyrea   oh wow, that's a great tip
15:54 wizzyrea   I did not know it did that
15:54 owen       It's one of the first things I turn on with any new Firefox install. I wish Chrome had it.
16:08 briceSanc  what do you think about zebraqueue daemon ?
16:12 wizzyrea   I've heard that it has memory leaks
16:12 wizzyrea   or something.
16:14 briceSanc  yes, but can we use it if we restart the daemon every night ?
16:15 schuster   wizzyrea++ on the reports problem - I have over 1200 of them...  Not fun to edit 50 of them every year when I have to change dates for say the end of year report.
16:15 schuster   It is also slow to bring up the list because there are soooooo many of them.
16:16 ibot       okay, schuster.
16:16 owen       ibot: Forget it
16:16 ibot       owen: I forgot it
16:16 owen       ibot: Never remember it again
16:16 ibot       owen: excuse me?
16:16 schuster   oooo ibot has an attitude...
16:16 schuster   Like my 10 year old.
16:17 schuster   I thought something was in the works for this with community?  3.4?
16:17 schuster   The reports piece.
16:18 schuster   hmmm - RFC - but no action maybe - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guided_reports_RFC
16:23 jcamins_a  Is there a syspref to enable placing a hold on items that are on order?
16:23 kf         no
16:23 owen       jcamins_a: I think the trick is you have to have at least one item?
16:23 kf         on order like not for loan on order?
16:24 kf         jcamins_a: using the new acq you can create items during the order process - you can use a speciel itemtype if you want or the normal itemtype that can be placed on hold anyway
16:25 jcamins_a  Hm, we have items already, but with notforloan set to -1.
16:25 kf         schuster: that's available in 3.2 - check the help files for sql reports - guided reports is a bit misleading
16:26 kf         jcamins_a: I think the problem is that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
16:27 jcamins_a  Okay, so if an item is on order, you can't place a hold on it, at least at the moment.
16:27 jcamins_a  Thanks.
16:28 kf         hm jcamins_a: bug 2341
16:28 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2341 critical, P3, ---, chris, NEW, items marked 'On Order' (notforloan == -1) don't interact correctly with opac-reserve.tmpl
16:28 kf         not sure about the status
16:28 kf         it's quite old
16:28 owen       jcamins_a: We can place holds on on-order items in NPL's live catalog, but that's a little behind 3.2
16:29 jcamins_a  Hm.
16:29 jcamins_a  I guess this probably is a misconfiguration, then.
16:29 kf         I don't see a way to configure it
16:29 jcamins_a  Hm.
16:29 jcamins_a  Well, I'll work on it a bit later.
16:30 kf         I thought i was not able to place holds on them... have to recheck sometime :(
16:30 kf         time to leave
16:30 kf         bye all :)
16:33 owen       jcamins_a: I'm interested to hear what you find. My test system doesn't let me put a hold on on-order items either, so that's a red flag for NPL
16:43 schuster   wizzyrea you still here?  The documentation link is doing strange things on Koha-community.org
16:46 wizzyrea   yep, not surprising
16:47 wizzyrea   i'm working on the manual at the mo
17:18 druthb     o/
17:19 chris      hi nengard and druthb
17:20 nengard    hiya
17:23 chris      @wunder wellington nz
17:23 munin      chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:23 chris      stupid cold front
17:24 jwagner    @wunder 20817
17:24 munin      jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 0.4�C (12:24 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).
17:24 jwagner    yeah, stupid cold front :-)
17:30 owen       @wunder 45701
17:30 munin      owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -2.8�C (12:30 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 7 PM EST this evening... 
17:31 cait       @wunder Konstanz
17:31 munin      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.5�C (6:30 PM CET on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
17:31 wizzyrea   @wunder 66049
17:31 munin      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -13.9�C (11:31 AM CST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.83 in 1043.9 hPa (Steady).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 
17:31 cait       ouch
17:31 wizzyrea   zounds
17:31 wizzyrea   um ya it's freezing out there
17:32 owen       My face hurts just thinking about that
17:32 chris_n    @wunder 28334
17:32 munin      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 1.4�C (12:31 PM EST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
17:33 * cait     sends wizzyrea hot chocolate
17:34 wizzyrea   thanks :) we have a lovely snow on the ground though
17:35 cait       our winter here is a bit crazy this year
17:35 cait       had only a few real cold days - now it's quite warm
17:38 hdl        have a nice evening
17:43 CIA-1      Koha: 03brice.sanchez 07new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-516-ge0d76bd 10/C4/Scrubber.pm: Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
17:43 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
17:46 CIA-1      Koha: 03colin.campbell 07new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-517-g073fb1a 10/ (C4/Scrubber.pm t/Scrubber.t): Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
17:52 CIA-1      Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-518-gb73f0f5 10/docs/history.txt: Adding new developers to the history
17:55 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=073fb1aee655f9f29e99cc56ddf584eb6c7813a9> / Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0d76bd88d25e87f9d8f450f1c4e029812eacf02>
17:57 CIA-1      Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-519-g3199350 10/docs/history.txt: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
18:00 wizzyrea   ooo war of the bots
18:01 hudsonbot  Starting build 284 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:02 jwagner    The CIA has infiltrated?
18:03 briceSanc  thanks for the /docs/history.txt update ^^
18:05 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31993509b21b61f8b0546dd6b71cfa6d9801dc9e> / Adding new developers to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b73f0f5fe93b6f32cad30f81613e24fcee687a7b>
18:23 CIA-1      Koha: 03chrisc 07kcmaster * rv3.02.00-520-g3153abe 10/docs/history.txt: Typo fix for history file
18:24 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #284: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/284/
18:24 hudsonbot  * Bryce Sanchez: Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
18:24 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
18:24 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Adding new developers to the history
18:24 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
18:25 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Typo fix for history file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3153abe61b441ee8b4088c9b13f2954c63546cab>
18:31 hudsonbot  Starting build 285 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:44 briceSanc  do you have a "Software error" when you try to add an order ( /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/addorder.pl ) : mismatched tag at line 7, column 2, byte 273 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 187
18:45 owen       briceSanc: Did you complete the item form?
18:46 cait       briceSanc: you have to choose an itemtype
18:46 * owen     thinks he got that error just today when submitting the form without entering item details
18:46 briceSanc  hummm... i 'm going to check that
18:47 briceSanc  i search existing notices
18:47 cait       oh
18:47 cait       owen: yes, thought the same
18:47 chris      Itentype is the crucial one
18:47 chris      And its on robin and my list to trap and report the error better
18:48 briceSanc  ok :)
18:48 hudsonbot  Starting build 25 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:48 briceSanc  it works with an item type, we should add a error message before the software error ;0
18:48 briceSanc  ;)
18:48 briceSanc  thanks owen and cait !
18:49 chris      briceSanc: that's what I just said :)
18:50 briceSanc  chris : oh, yes the same :)
18:50 chris      Check docs/history.txt in master
18:50 chris      You are famous
18:52 briceSanc  ahah ! i saw ! 2 commits for me ... it's the better Koha-day of my life :)
18:52 chris_n    nearly 70 commits for 3.2.3 thus far
18:52 chris      Sweet
18:53 * chris_n  suddenly realizes he failed to update bugzilla after the 3.2.2 release
18:54 chris      Ahh that's a few bugs to change
18:54 chris      Where's our bug wranglers?
18:55 chris      Maybe need to put that on the meeting agenda
18:55 chris      Call for some more volunteers
18:55 chris      Librarians would be ideal
18:56 cait       this librarian has had a time problem :(
18:56 chris      Ahh u do tons already cait
18:57 cait       not so much since xmaas
18:57 cait       hope it will get better soon
18:57 owen       What needs to be updated in bugzilla?
18:57 chris      Pretty much none of the ones who are on irc could be expected to do much more
18:57 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #285: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/285/
18:57 hudsonbot  Chris Cormack: Typo fix for history file
18:58 chris      owen: after a release need to work through the change log updating the status pf the bugs
18:58 chris      But in general
18:59 chris      Some ppl starting at 1 and working up closing bugs or updating them with questions
18:59 chris      Maybe an hour a week ... if 20 ppl did that
18:59 munin      New commit(s) kohagit32: Typo fix for history file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f15eda41540a8f55f04ae489165808b57663435> / Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e94bb4e7e491d6c74fdd419cf54e67fe3d426dd4> / Adding new developers to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cce63ff7bb2a93e5c7eff9
19:00 briceSanc  chris, do you want to fix the item type problem for 3.2.3 ?
19:00 chris      We'd get it tidied up fast, (version numbers, things marked resolved for years, etc)
19:00 chris_n    owen: I usually parse 'git log --oneline' for bug numbers and then put them into a comma separated list to search bugzilla
19:00 chris_n    then do a multi-bug update
19:01 chris      briceSanc: ideally, but no guarantees ill have time, if someone else did that would be great, string freeze very soon though
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19:02 chris      I think 3 days right chris_n?
19:02 chris_n    right... 15th
19:02 chris_n    zulu hour UTC
19:04 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #25: SUCCESS in 16 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_Master_Branch/25/
19:04 hudsonbot  Nicole C. Engard: add intro to cataloging section
19:09 cait       chris_n: that's string freeze, right?
19:21 chris_n    cait: yes
19:22 CIA-1      Koha: 03chrisc 07new/bug_5611 * rv3.02.00-518-gbe37db4 10/C4/Scrubber.pm: Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
19:22 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
19:22 cait       ok :) have to remember to translate
19:24 moodaepo   @wunder 56001
19:24 munin      moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -11.7�C (1:24 PM CST on January 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1034.8 hPa (Steady).
19:25 hudsonbot  Project Koha_3.2.x build #81: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/81/
19:25 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 Fix processing of DueDate return
19:26 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5601 :: Add tests for bugfix
19:26 hudsonbot  * Bryce Sanchez: Bug 5611 INIT block causes failure with mod perl
19:26 hudsonbot  * Colin Campbell: Bug 5611 Tidy up C4::Scrubber
19:26 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Adding new developers to the history
19:26 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Adding release info, and missing meetings to the history
19:26 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Typo fix for history file
19:27 CIA-1      Koha: 03nahuel.angelinetti 07new/bug_3743 * rv3.02.00-523-ge8de8b9 10/reports/acquisitions_stats.pl: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
19:27 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3743 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Acquisition stats ordering by month
19:31 hudsonbot  Starting build 286 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:35 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5611' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2390b4e1dc442d5280eab763a72b7cbd10680669> / Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be37db49fb329f8911dabb0d12d2a6e09bb9dc91>
19:36 Brooke     hey
19:36 chris      heya Brooke
19:36 Brooke     :)
19:37 wizzyrea   hi brooke
19:37 * Brooke   feels the love
19:39 chris_n    big money flowing here: http://tinyurl.com/6gr4c5q
19:41 chris      community source
19:42 chris      soounds way too much like microsofts shared source
19:42 chris      for my liking
19:42 chris      just develop free software, and stop being so damn precious
19:44 rhcl_away  I think academic libraries must have a certain sense of their position in life
19:45 rhcl_away  a sense not necessarily shared by others
19:46 chris      i think you may well be on to something there
19:52 * Brooke   waves at hdl
19:55 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #286: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/286/
19:55 hudsonbot  Chris Cormack: Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
19:55 chris      yeah buddy
19:56 munin      New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8de8b97c66a67427f4b458e2c3f3e43ea43d963>
19:56 hudsonbot  Starting build 287 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:56 chris      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDmgrV3Bnk
19:56 chris      i sing this everytime a blocker is fixed
20:01 * Brooke   waves at fcapo
20:02 fcapo      hello
20:03 hdl        hi Brooke
20:03 Brooke     :)
20:03 hdl        owen: thanks for your feedback
20:10 owen       hdl: On Bug 5575? I'm sorry I couldn't be here when paul was hoping for a QA session
20:10 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5575 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, 3.4 BibLibre circ & members improvements
20:11 briceSanc  http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449
20:11 munin      04Bug 5449: blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
20:14 jwagner    owen, online?
20:15 owen       As of four minutes ago, and still!
20:15 chris      briceSanc: yep, its waiting for signoff
20:15 briceSanc  chris, okay :)
20:15 chris      briceSanc: see if you can sweet talk someone into doing some QA on it for ya ;-)
20:15 chris      id like to push it before 3.2.3
20:16 jwagner    You pointed me to the very useful colr.org site for matching image colors, but it seems to have gone away.  The other site I had for uploading images doesn't like me any more either :-(  But I found this tool which seems to work.
20:16 jwagner    Wondered if you'd used it or had any feedback on it or others: http://www.drostdesigns.com/image-color-management-tool-match-image-colors/
20:17 briceSanc  we have done QA in the company but none outsite
20:17 briceSanc  it's meeting time
20:17 briceSanc  i go
20:17 briceSanc  bye all
20:17 owen       jwagner: No, never heard of it. But I don't often find the need for that kind of tool
20:18 chris      @later tell briceSanc get someone inside the company to signoff on the patch, its not as good as external, but it does let me know more than one pair of eyes have looked at it
20:18 munin      chris: The operation succeeded.
20:18 chris      briceSanc++
20:19 hudsonbot  Project Koha_Master build #287: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/287/
20:19 hudsonbot  Nahuel ANGELINETTI: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
20:19 cait       jwagner: you need a tool to find the color (for html/css) of a picture?
20:19 jwagner    owen, I find I need it a lot to try to match the colors in logo files.  Thought it was worth mentioning.
20:20 cait       jwagner: i use the colorpicker plugin for firefox
20:20 jwagner    cait, yes.  Someone sends me a logo and they want the whole background of the header to match.
20:20 jwagner    There's a plugin???
20:20 * jwagner  had better go look....
20:20 cait       not sure it's as exact as the other sites
20:20 cait       never used something else
20:21 jwagner    The colr.org site was great.  I hope it comes back.  For the last couple of weeks at least, it's just been saying that the site is down.
20:21 cait       hm perhaps the right name is colorzilla
20:21 cait       I don
20:22 cait       colorzilla
20:22 cait       https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/271/
20:23 jwagner    Thanks, cait -- that will help!
20:27 cait       owen: I had a request to reorder the search options on the advanced search page pull down
20:27 cait       owen: do you have a jquery hint for me? what would you use to reorder?
20:28 cait       ah I was wrong
20:28 * cait     should read her tickets better
20:28 cait       the want a different one selected
20:28 cait       I know how to do that I think - ignore me :)
20:31 wizzyrea   owen: i wonder if you've ever come across the problem where a search like "miracle worker             dvd" causes an unresponsive script in the jquery highlighting plugin thingy
20:32 wizzyrea   (that's with all of the spaces)
20:32 owen       No, but I'll give it a try
20:32 * wizzyrea will go try it in 3.2 proper... just realized I wasn't in koha when I did that.
20:33 wizzyrea   this is intranet, btw
20:33 wizzyrea   aha
20:33 wizzyrea   unless you come up with different results, you can igonre that
20:33 wizzyrea   it's only in our system
20:33 owen       No problems here
20:33 owen       Has anyone confirmed that Bug 5449 exists?
20:33 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
20:34 chris      not me
20:34 owen       I was able to import records under my branch with an upgraded jQuery
20:35 chris      maybe note that on the bug
20:36 * owen     did
20:36 chris      cool
20:36 * owen     also found the patch wasn't formatted correctly for git am :P
20:38 owen       hdl: When we have jQueryUI successfully added I'm thinking this might be better than tabs for displaying patron details in moremember.pl: http://jqueryui.com/demos/accordion/
20:41 wizzyrea   @later tell nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/ looks better, and http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/ seems to look ok too
20:41 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:45 chris      wizzyrea++ #im glad you are looking after the manual website
20:50 Brooke     HA!
20:52 munin      New commit(s) kohagit32: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64f424f0341086d0c4eca5ee1a4cc87a1b8ccbd5> / Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd00b22bdf7c5044265973a11c19ccb92f37c641>
20:53 wizzyrea   ha?
20:54 druthb     o/
20:54 druthb     hi, Brooke!
20:54 Brooke     :)
20:55 cait       hi Brooke
20:56 Brooke     :)
21:00 wizzyrea   @later tell sekjal totally dig the rfc for holds improvements. WANT.
21:00 munin      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:01 hudsonbot  Starting build 82 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:01 owen       I read that RFC the same way I watched previous for the new Tron movie. Want to be excited about it, but don't want to set myself up for disappointment.
21:01 owen       s/previous/previews
21:02 wizzyrea   ya, I think even if it's initially buggy, a lot of the underlying things that boggle us day to day will be helped by it
21:03 * wizzyrea doesn't mind buggy, as long as we can fix it
21:03 chris      developed in the open and released early and often for testing
21:03 chris      thems the keys
21:05 cait       :)
21:08 wizzyrea   speaking of which, did you see the new tron, owen?
21:08 * wizzyrea hasn't seen it yet
21:08 owen       It's worth seeing if you're a fan of the original
21:17 Brooke     if anyone plays World of Warcraft, there's a virtual gaming workshop in 45ish minutes on the Saurfang realm in the Library of Ironforge.
21:18 Brooke     \
21:19 Brooke     cheers
21:21 wizzyrea   a virtual gaming workshop
21:21 * wizzyrea does not have a character on saurfang, and certainly could not get one there in 30 minutes
21:21 wizzyrea   hrmph.
21:21 wizzyrea   but, this idea seems compelling. :P
21:23 hudsonbot  Project Koha_3.2.x build #82: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/82/
21:23 hudsonbot  * Chris Cormack: Bug 5611: Simple typo fix in the comments
21:23 hudsonbot  * Nahuel ANGELINETTI: (bug #3743) fix acquisition stats ordering
21:28 cait       fredericd: around?
21:35 cait       grr
21:35 cait       recreating the french templates in 3.2.x does not create the css folder
21:35 cait       recreationg the German files does
21:35 cait       I even created both template folders completely
21:35 cait       before recreating them
21:35 cait       that's weird!
21:56 cait       I give up
21:56 cait       good night all :)
21:57 drulm      So-Long
22:30 wasabi     hi folks, a pretty random perl question here...
22:31 wasabi     does anyone else often get these errors in the koha log, when dev-ing...
22:31 wasabi     " Digit.pl: Deep recursion on subroutine "utf8::SWASHNEW" at /usr/share/perl/5.10/utf8_heavy.pl line 251.,"
22:31 wasabi     i seem to get these, *rather* than a more helpful general syntax error :/
22:33 wasabi     my code often seems to give me that error and spin in a hard-loop, rather than print the syntax error and die
22:34 wasabi     anyone else bump into the same problem?
22:34 chris      nope
22:35 atz        strange.... sounds like you have some malformed unicode data
22:35 atz        or maybe your locale is set to something non UTF8?
22:35 wasabi     yeah, its a weird none, for me too...
22:40 wasabi     ooooh, http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022277.html
22:41 wasabi     something very similar
22:42 wasabi     tho, my DEBUG level is at 1, not 2...
22:46 wasabi     ive made a trivial edit to detail.pl, and i get this crazy error and a hardloop
22:49 wasabi     wow, setting KOHA_DEBUG "0" , and DEBUG "0"  in my apache conf fixed that!
22:50 wasabi     oops, it didn't fix it :/