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chris |
hi druthb |
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druthb |
hi, chris! :) |
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chris |
any minute now |
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chris |
and england win |
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druthb |
yup. :) |
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druthb |
77 runs down, and only one wicket left. tsk tsk. |
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druthb |
did they already have drinks? |
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chris |
hmm think so |
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druthb |
yah. now it's just for Swann or Anderson to seal the deal. This oughta be over by lunch. |
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druthb |
Based on highs and averages, there's just not much way for Siddle or Bollinger to have any hope of pulling this out. |
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druthb |
Both would need to exceed their records. |
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chris |
yup and looking at the averages thats pretty unlikely |
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chris |
done |
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druthb |
yup. |
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waves at Oak |
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wasabi |
my 'add-new-syspref' button is missing on my 3-2rc |
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wasabi |
does it work for other folk? |
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hugs Brooke |
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wasabi |
… i assume ive got a goofy db, that im testing with |
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wasabi |
ahhh, click.. |
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wasabi |
"System preferences admin - local-use preferences" |
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Brooke |
@roulette |
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munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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ivanc |
good morning #koha |
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ivanc |
guten morgen kf |
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kf |
hi ivanc |
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hdl |
hi |
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ibot |
hey, hdl |
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kf |
morning hdl |
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kf |
the meeting is at 10pm today? |
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chris |
no |
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chris |
10am UTC |
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chris |
on the 8th |
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kf |
chris: solr meeting - sorry |
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chris |
ah yep, that one is |
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kf |
how was the training? |
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chris |
11am tomorrow for me, which is why i wont be there |
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chris |
starts tomorrow |
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chris |
if anyone asks i think solr is cool, but as an option to use instead of zebra, not as a forced replacement |
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chris |
so hopefully thats addressed |
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kf |
I will be there |
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kf |
memorizing your statement now ;) |
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chris |
thanks :) |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.6�C (9:50 AM CET on December 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
:) and sun! |
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kmkale |
hi all |
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kf |
hi kmkale |
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kmkale |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi kmkale |
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kf |
jcamins: around? |
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kf |
what's the correct status of a bug after sign-off? |
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kf |
silent today |
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Fred |
hello |
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kf |
hi Fred |
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slef |
kf: I just screamed on-list. |
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kf |
slef: you sure tehy changed? |
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slef |
kf: either that or doodle is buggy. http://doodle.com/participatio[…]=2eh7spytgmydduca |
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slef |
bbl |
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kmkale |
kf got a minute? |
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kf |
let me finish this - 5 minutes |
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kmkale |
cool |
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kf |
kmkale: I am here |
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laurenthd |
slef : Bloody hell. |
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laurenthd |
doodle was displaying Europe time. |
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laurenthd |
And I thought it was displaying UTC |
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kf |
yeah, got a bit confused too |
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kf |
:) |
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laurenthd |
slef: I will post a fix for that. |
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laurenthd |
Would 20 UTC fit you ? |
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kf |
laurenthd: he told me he will be back in 4 hours |
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kf |
(12:17:08) slef: bbi 4h |
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kf |
... 16? |
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Fred |
I got a question about a weird way to act of advanced search : if i choose to request on Local number from adv search page (index 'sn') i've no answers...but if i type 'sn=x' Koha give me what i want. Any idea from where the problem could come from? |
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kf |
perhaps the form is creating the wrong search statement? |
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Fred |
it seems to use sn,wrdl= x of what i can see |
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kf |
Fred: what version of koha are you using? |
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Fred |
3.02.00.004 |
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fredericd |
Fred: UNIMARC or MARC21? |
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fredericd |
hi kf |
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Fred |
Unimarc |
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kf |
hi fredericd |
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fredericd |
do you know where is you biblio records.abs file? |
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Fred |
yes |
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fredericd |
take a look at Local-number field. Verify that you have a 'w' index on it |
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Fred |
ok let me check that |
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Fred |
Local-number,Local-number:n seems enough? |
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fredericd |
no |
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fredericd |
Local-number,Local-number:n,Local-number:w |
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Fred |
ok, then it has changed since previous version? |
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fredericd |
obviously |
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fredericd |
the advanced search template must have changed |
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Fred |
ok, i am adding the 'w' then |
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fredericd |
do it, reindex, and tell me if it works: then a patch must be send (will do it) |
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Fred |
ok |
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Fred |
doesn t work |
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fredericd |
Fred: Have already modified you records.abs in the past? Where is your Koha biblionumber in your biblio record? In standard field? |
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nengard |
laurenthd I emailed you - i can email to the docs list, but i can't administer it anymore ... the password appears to have changed. |
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Fred |
yes already modified record.abs, biblionumber is on 090$9 |
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fredericd |
Fred: it can be tricky. For me, your issue comes from zebra config. But it's very difficult to say where exactly without access to your config |
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Fred |
yes i understand, could i see something in logs? |
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fredericd |
Fred: yes, that's a good idea. You can try to do a tail -f <koha-zebra-log.err> file. See what happens when you do the request which fails |
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owen |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi owen |
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Fred |
ok let me try to explore koha-zebra-log.err |
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Fred |
sorry i am always a bit lost with those log files, his name is koha-zebra-log.err? |
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fredericd |
not exactly... Go you Koha var/log directory. Find the file which contain zebra and ends with .err |
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Fred |
ok |
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fredericd |
or ends with .log... |
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Fred |
hmm got only koha-zebradaemon-output.log or koha-zebradaemon.err |
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hdl |
Fred koha-zebradaemon-output.log that's the one. |
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hdl |
Fred and you can also come onto koha-fr if you want |
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Fred |
thanks, need to explore that file, and will come asap on koha-fr too (need to get used with IRC first) |
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Fred |
is it possible it comes from koha more than zebra, and from search.pl specially? |
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hdl |
Fred : could come from some of the system preferences. |
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hdl |
Fred : you can test with CLI to see whether it answer basic queries. |
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Fred |
i ve been looking at how zebrasrv going live, i found some weird things |
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drulm |
all is quiet on the open source front |
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Fred |
something like : Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @attr 1=12 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 820 @attr 1=12 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 820 @attr 1=12 @attr 5=1 @attr 4=6 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 820 |
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drulm |
Q: is anyone talking about how moving to Solr in terms of having a z39.50 server? Is there a way to do this with Solr or will Zebra still need to be in there just for the z39.50, alternatives? |
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drulm |
Perhaps this could be a question for the upcoming meeting |
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fredericd |
Fred: that's it! (si je puis dire) |
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Fred |
good :) |
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laurenthd |
drulm: we are developping a solr2RPN module. |
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hdl |
drulm: no in fact we are developping an RPN2solr module. |
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hdl |
And plan to use that in a Z3950 server. |
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drulm |
Nice |
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hdl |
Fred : it seems that you have a problem with relevancy. Check that you have Title-host defined and used. |
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owen |
koha.org strikes again. |
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jcamins |
owen++ # for being really fast |
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Fred |
ok |
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wizzyrea1 |
heh |
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wizzyrea1 |
and I was all worried that I had done something dumb and forgotten to update the download page on k-c.org |
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jcamins |
owen: that's a great subject line for an e-mail... "Blood" |
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* slef |
tries to thaw out |
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Fred |
Title-host is defined in record.abs, not in bib1 or ccl |
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nengard |
Bleh .. got to airport too early.. wish traffic was more predictible |
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owen |
Bonus airport time! |
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wizzyrea |
boo airport time |
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nengard |
Heh |
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nengard_ |
love me some tethering :) |
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rhcl |
I'd love to have your ff miles. |
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nengard_ |
heh |
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sekjal |
nengard_: is your tethering more reliable? |
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nengard_ |
I'm actually only silver - thought I'd make gold this year but it doesn't look like I will |
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sekjal |
I made a change on mine that seems to help[ |
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nengard_ |
sekjal, more reliable than what? it has seemed more reliable lately in general |
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sekjal |
than before |
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nengard_ |
oh - which tethering app were you using? |
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sekjal |
Wireless Tether |
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nengard_ |
i'm on easytether |
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sekjal |
ah |
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nengard_ |
wireless tether i wasn't able to make it work |
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Fred |
still with my zebra searching error : i ve added some attributes to 'sn' in ccl.properties (4=109 2=3 3=1 perhaps a bit too much?) and now searching is going fine... |
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Fred |
Thanks for all the help provided! |
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fredericd |
Fred: No it's good. In the normal ccl file, sn seems to be configured to search the 'w' (word) index rather than the 'n' (numeric) |
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fredericd |
with your modif, you search the numeric index, strict equality and first in field (which can't be bad) |
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Fred |
oh great :) |
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fredericd |
Fred: You could go intro trouble tomorrow if your sn index is populated with non-numeric values, otherwise it's ok |
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Fred |
ok i note it, i was about asking about possible troubles as i was not sure to have 'really' resolved the main problem |
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wizzyrea |
damn you apple − w |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I'm sure chris would point out that's not a problem on free OSes. |
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jcamins |
;) |
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wizzyrea |
sure it is ;) |
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wizzyrea |
it's just another key + w |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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jcamins |
No, it's Ctrl+W. :P |
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jcamins |
Completely different. |
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wizzyrea |
mmm hmm. |
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wizzyrea |
they also make you cookies for breakfast |
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wizzyrea |
and bring world peace |
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brendan |
world peace++ |
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jcamins |
Yep. |
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jcamins |
If it weren't for thre three of us, apparently there would be. |
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wizzyrea |
>.< |
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trea |
rabblerousers, the whole lot :D |
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jcamins |
Okay, time to head out. |
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jcamins |
So long, #koha. |
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Fred |
good bye everyone! |
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nengard_ |
plane at gate |
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nengard_ |
talk to you all later |
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wizzyrea |
bye |
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wizzyrea |
bleh |
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hdl |
Fred fredericd : as a side note, be warned that completeness or firstinfield doesnot seem to work in icu, |
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hdl |
in that case, n is not indexed with icu. So would not be a problem. |
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hdl |
But... It is better when you know. |
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owen |
Hmmm... Nifty new feature fails in IE8. Wondering how much I should care... |
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fredericd |
hdl: thanks for the info |
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hdl |
i think it is owed to the way that icu is processing the chains. |
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wizzyrea |
which nifty feature |
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fredericd |
it may work with DOM, which requires works, a lot of... |
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owen |
wizzyrea: Bug 5285 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5285 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Let the user choose columns to show batch modification summary table |
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owen |
(at least I think it's nifty) |
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wizzyrea |
oo yea |
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jwagner |
owen, there are still LOTS of sites whose IT departments only allow them to use IE, so I'd be leery of adding something that is known not to work in even the latest IE. |
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owen |
Never ceases to amaze me... the slowest, most insecure browser... |
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jwagner |
I know. Don't think I haven't pointed that out at GREAT length.... |
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owen |
I guess I'll just hide this feature away and hope IE9 is better. Or maybe IE10. |
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* owen |
puts it in a crate next to the Ark of the Covenant |
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jwagner |
It can't be done in some other way? The idea is definitely nifty. |
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trea |
heh |
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owen |
In some other way? As in with no CSS or Javascript? Maybe... |
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* owen |
stabs himself with a pen |
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* jwagner |
doesn't know what tools owen is using, so doesn't know what to suggest |
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* jwagner |
is also not a web developer so wouldn't have any ideas along that line anyway :-( |
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* owen |
hides the whole feature from IE |
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wizzyrea |
owen++ |
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wizzyrea |
hm, I guess the conversation about required versions of things died |
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* chris |
waves from the wellington airport |
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wizzyrea |
where ya headed? |
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chris |
Bucklame |
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wizzyrea |
teehee |
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chris |
2 days of training and then a go live |
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* jwagner |
hopes it isn't too windy at the airport.... |
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wizzyrea |
fun fun |
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wizzyrea |
our flight out was perfectly lovely ^.^ |
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jwagner |
Both of mine were rather bouncy. |
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chris |
Nope, mind you this must literally be the 100th time I've flown out of here bounces don't bother me |
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wizzyrea |
coming in on the other hand... |
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jwagner |
I did have my doubts about landing, watching as we kept descending -- "I don't _THINK_ I booked a seaplane!" |
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wizzyrea |
the day we did it we had to have at least 2 whacks at the landing |
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jwagner |
Next time I go to Wellington, I'm driving or taking the train down from Auckland.... |
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chris |
Pshaw |
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chris |
If you didn't actually bounce |
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chris |
Its all good |
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* jwagner |
congratulates chris on his native insouciance! |
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trea |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
plus there hasn't yet been a crash |
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chris |
Nope never |
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wizzyrea |
but I imagine the train ride, after 13 hours on a plane, would be a lovely change from yet more airport. |
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* chris |
has bounced, and landed hard twice |
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chris |
In fog |
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trea |
erg |
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chris |
That was fun |
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wizzyrea |
lol don't tell trea that! |
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trea |
did they all clap when you were stopped |
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trea |
hehe |
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chris |
Yep |
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wizzyrea |
well they clapped on ours too |
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trea |
that was pretty much worth it imo |
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chris |
Well those not from wellington anyway :) |
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wizzyrea |
though the flight attendants did tell us to toughen up ;) |
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wizzyrea |
we lol'd |
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chris |
Landing at the old hong kong airport was more scary |
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chris |
Look up kai tak landings on youtube |
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wizzyrea |
!!!! |
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rhcl |
yep, HK was an experience. Flying right between buildings. |
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chris |
I only did that twice |
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chris |
And planes did crash there |
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chris |
Ok boarding, spotya |
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wizzyrea |
later safe travels |
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rhcl |
syl |
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mib_lvwvr |
hello everybody! how I can activate the cron fines? |
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mib_lvwvr |
could somebody help me, please. |
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cait |
fredericd: around? |
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mib_lvwvr |
how I can activate the fines.pl |
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cait |
you can start it manually for testing, but in production ou will want to use a cronjob to start it regularl |
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cait |
y |
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mib_lvwvr |
como configuro el cron? |
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mib_lvwvr |
how to set up cron? |
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owen |
mib_lvwvr: I suggest you google "how to set up cron" |
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fredericd |
cait: yes, almost |
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cait |
ah, was reading your mail about the sys prefs |
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fredericd |
you may not agree :-) |
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cait |
I have not looked at 3.2 yet, but I imagine the problem exists there too |
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cait |
we will loose some featurs (like translations for salutations) by using the english files - but i think it's still the way to go |
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fredericd |
yes, 3.2 is a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref |
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cait |
only voting for a fast solution, that we can perhaps port back to 3.2 |
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cait |
yes, but what about the existing files? |
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fredericd |
can't we keep them for 3.2 and remove them on HEAD when a patch will force using exlusively 'en' syspref SQL file? |
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cait |
we can |
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cait |
but I will fix the German sys pref file if we will do that |
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cait |
for 3.21 |
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fredericd |
yes and german syspref file seems almost up to date |
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cait |
it's the newest file |
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cait |
the other translations are older |
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cait |
German was added near or in feature freeze of 3.2 - so I am lucky here |
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cait |
and it's not really translated, only things like father, mother, mrs. mr. etc. |
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cait |
but I am still not happy knowing about the problem in the other files :( |
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cait |
hi Nate |
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Nate |
hiya cait! |
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cait |
fredericd: it's me - low bug tolerance ;) |
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fredericd |
it's a tribute to you :-) |
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sekjal is now known as sekjal_a |
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cait |
fredericd: not so sure :) |
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slef |
I'd not heard that called tethering before. Live and learn. |
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jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg |
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cait |
slef: so you can explain the term to me? |
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slef |
Tethering in cellular wireless is the connection of a non-mobile device (e.g. desktop computer, notebook computer, laptop computer), to a mobile device (e.g. cell phone, PDA) for the purpose of wireless Internet access by the non-mobile "tethered" device. Examples of a tethered connection include: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering |
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slef |
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slef |
I think we called it PAN (personal area networking) or mifi (mobile-to-wifi), but it might be something slightly different. |
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cait |
thx - should have checked wikipedia - only tried leo to get a translation |
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slef |
I've a two-line script called "wp" to do quick lookups: |
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slef |
PROXY="$*" |
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slef |
host -aQ "${PROXY// /_}.wp.dg.cx" | sed -e 's/" "//g;s/"$//;s/\\"/"/g;s/^.*"//' |
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cait |
? |
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slef |
so I typed "wp tethering" to get the above explanation |
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slef |
It's not the more understanable script ever ;-) |
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cait |
yeah, looks like magic |
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cait |
ok, time to destroy my kitchen in an attempt to make pumkin soup |
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slef |
ohyeah... Did I ask the newzealanders why they had so many pumpkins on the menu in their spring? Do they grow a lot there, or are they imported? |
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cait |
no idea :) |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.pumpkinnook.com/commune/nzgrowers.htm but it looks like their pumpkin harvest is in march (seems likely, as that's fall) |
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wizzyrea |
and yet more: http://www.gardengrow.co.nz/plant/Pumpkin |
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wizzyrea |
plant in oct/nov/dec |
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wizzyrea |
though I guess in the north you can plant them anytime between August and Feb |
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wizzyrea |
so yea, that's probably why they have lots of pumpkin, because they've got several different climates conducive to pumpkin growing nearly year round |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ :) |
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wizzyrea |
< is not an expert, however, just sayin |
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sylvar |
What's the usual practice for handling complicated names for borrowers? For example, would Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. have a surname of "King, Jr.", a firstname of "Martin Luther", and a title of "Dr."? |
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wizzyrea |
that's how we do it |
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* sylvar |
won't get into names like "Rasd-Coduresa Diziet Embless Sma da' Marenhide" ;) |
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wizzyrea |
O.O |
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sylvar |
Fictional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture#Names |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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darling |
helo koha land |
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wizzyrea |
mornin darling |
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brendan |
morning |
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hdl |
hi there. |
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owen |
sylvar: We do surname = "King, Jr." |
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sylvar |
Cool. Thanks, owen & wizzyrea. |
| 19:39 |
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cait |
hi brendan and hdl |
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chris_n |
cait && fredericd: I'm about finished adding missing sysprefs to the other language .sql files, but they are not translated of course |
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owen |
sylvar: And we do it that way so that interactions with the patron make sense. You don't want end up sending a notice to "Dr. Martin Jr. Luther King" |
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cait |
chris_n++++ |
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chris_n |
that will fix the failed tests |
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cait |
and thx for telling - I was about starting with it hehe |
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chris_n |
but something needs to be determined *and* posted on the coding section of the wiki and announced on the list |
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cait |
yeah |
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chris_n |
so that we don't continue with a mixture |
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owen |
Now cait you have to give him a single: |
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* cait |
thinks that too |
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owen |
chris_n++ |
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cait |
chris_n++? |
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* chris_n |
wonders if some of the prefs the test states need to be removed really are just not in the en .sql file yet |
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chris_n |
and so we lose new prefs that way |
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owen |
I don't think they count if you do four ++++ |
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cait |
chris_n: what are the prefs it complains about? |
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chris_n |
fredericd: if your explanation is the current mode, then I have no problem |
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chris_n |
cait: too may to list |
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cait |
an example? |
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* chris_n |
semi-automated the updating based on the output of the test script |
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cait |
ah |
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clrh |
Hello everybody |
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cait |
hi clrh |
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* cait |
needs to do such cool things too |
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cait |
needs to learn how to do... |
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cait |
hi Brooke |
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Brooke |
howdy :) |
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bigbrovar |
hi guys |
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Brooke |
hi bigbrovar. |
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bigbrovar |
hello Brooke |
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cait |
chris_n: if the files are fixed now I think we should maintain them in HEAD - or find another solution soon |
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wizzyrea |
I wonder if we can remove the patron notes fields now that we have the messaging system |
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wizzyrea |
spose you'd have to find a way to migrate that data into the messages |
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wizzyrea |
migrate existing* data |
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cait |
wizzyrea: I think having different ways is nice |
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Brooke |
cait++ |
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wizzyrea |
I think it's confusing |
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wizzyrea |
but that's just me |
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cait |
wizzyrea: you can hide them with jquery ;) |
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wizzyrea |
it's like belt + suspenders |
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wizzyrea |
of course you can. |
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cait |
hi druthb :) |
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druthb |
hi, cait. :) |
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* Brooke |
offers druthb a G&T. |
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cait |
G&T? |
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* druthb |
takes it, and sips carefully. |
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hdl |
hi all. |
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* cait |
sniffs a little because she never gets what Brooke says ;) |
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Brooke |
Clearly I need to pick up more German, Cait. |
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druthb |
Gin and tonic, cait. :) |
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cait |
thx :) |
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cait |
or I need to work on my vocabulary :) |
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Brooke |
prolly wouldn't help. I am guilty of vast logical leaps and far too much humour. |
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* Brooke |
is steeling herself for waking early on the morrow. |
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chris_n |
cait: I agree, and as fredericd notes, they may not need translation due to the .pref files now |
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wizzyrea |
brooke: i'm surprised you're even here ^.^ |
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hdl |
about to start meeting on solr ? |
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hdl |
Hi Colin |
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Colin |
Hi |
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Brooke |
Hi Colin |
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* slef |
tries to thaw out |
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cait |
chris_n: we loose some small things by using english translation though - but things you can fix without sql - standard salutations, relationship names |
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thd-away is now known as thd |
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* Brooke |
hands slef a G&T. |
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* hdl |
will try to do some semi automated minutes |
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hdl |
#startmeeting solr search 7 December |
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munin |
Meeting started Tue Dec 7 20:00:45 2010 UTC. The chair is hdl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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munin |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: solr search 7 December) |
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hdl |
Hi all |
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slef |
hi hdl! |
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hdl |
First we could make a call of the persons and then begin on the agenda I published from the email. |
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hdl |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/7_December_2010 |
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* hdl |
= Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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druthb |
== D Ruth Bavousett, Washington DC |
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* slef |
= MJ Ray, worker-owner, software.coop |
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* clrh |
Claire Hernandez, Biblibre |
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Colin |
Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe |
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wizzyrea |
Liz Rea, NEKLS, Lurking |
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cait |
Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
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owen |
Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library, lurking |
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cfouts |
Clay Fouts, PTFS/LibLime |
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darling |
Reed Wade, Catalyst |
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* jcamins_a |
= Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, lurking |
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hdl |
ok. If anyone arrives late please chime in. |
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hdl |
#topic Why we investigated solr |
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Topic for #koha is now Why we investigated solr (Meeting topic: solr search 7 December) |
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hdl |
Reasons why we investiguated was that |
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hdl |
everyone agreed that C4::Search needed deep revamping. |
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hdl |
And we have had many problems with the actual implementation of zebra in Koha |
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chris_n |
Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
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hdl |
problems with the hard coded indexes |
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hdl |
Problem with the untranslatable strings from search |
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hdl |
Problem with the unability for users to order the indexes on advanced search page. |
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hdl |
Problem also with the search engine itself : |
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hdl |
It proved quite a nightmare to know if indexing was ok. |
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hdl |
It also proved that some announced features were not quite meeting the demand. |
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hdl |
(facets, but also icu is quite disapointing.... since all the features in RPN are not embedded. |
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hdl |
Completeness for instance. |
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hdl |
And left truncation). |
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hdl |
All this has already been said... |
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hdl |
But I want to tell the context that prompted us into invetigating. |
| 20:09 |
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clrh |
#link http://www.biblibre.com/en/blo[…]lopments-for-koha |
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hdl |
any problem with what i am stating... ? |
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thd |
The untranslatable strings problem is mistaken if the query is intercepted for translation or if a translation is provided for CCL, CQL, Solr/Lucene, etc. query configuration.. |
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hdl |
well when you go on the results page. |
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hdl |
it is truly ccl search that is printed. |
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hdl |
ti,wrdl=huckleberry finn |
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hdl |
Is not user friendly. |
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hdl |
And More, some usage we are now doing of zebra is announced to be obsolete... |
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thd |
Certainly, but the user unfriendliness could be factored out and translated to the unfriendly form if the query is intercepted. |
| 20:12 |
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hdl |
we are using grs1 when DOM indexing is favoured... but would have required much time to build... |
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slef |
Well, I think my problems with solr and my doubts with some of the accusations against zebra I've stated on the list, so I won't repeat them here unless you want them repeated. |
| 20:13 |
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hdl |
And most of the xslt embedded are cut out for USMARC where UNIMARC is not supporter. |
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slef |
I agree that some of the problems are with our usage of it, though, so C4::Search probably must change anyway. |
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hdl |
ok slef... I will talk about what solr would bring along. and what we did... |
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hdl |
#topic solr : what it brings along and what we did |
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Topic for #koha is now solr : what it brings along and what we did (Meeting topic: solr search 7 December) |
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thd |
Some of the problems are problems of adding UNIMARC support which is a problem that does not go away by using Solr/Lucene. |
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darling |
slef, hdl -- depends on if the topic is "swap/deprecate zebra for solr" or "add support for solr as an alt search engine" |
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Nate |
Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions... Sorry for the lateness |
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hdl |
thd part of it yes. |
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hdl |
Solr brings along a widely used search engine. |
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hdl |
With the ability to do full text indexing of documents. |
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hdl |
And with many built in features. |
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hdl |
utf8 support |
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hdl |
facets. |
| 20:16 |
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hdl |
And all the things we explain in the blog. |
| 20:16 |
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rhcl |
rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library, lurker |
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hdl |
darling: I acknowledge that solr should be an option. |
| 20:17 |
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hdl |
But change in a search engine in an ILS is quite strategic. |
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ibot |
hdl: that doesn't look right |
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giggles at ibot. |
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thd |
Solr/Lucene uses Java ICU which based on the same core ICU code as the C ICU used in Zebra. |
| 20:17 |
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hdl |
But we have limited time. |
| 20:18 |
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hdl |
And limited ressource. |
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cait |
hdl: so you are not implementing it as an option? |
| 20:18 |
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hdl |
cait at the moment, no. |
| 20:18 |
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hdl |
Because we signed and are due to deliver a product on a specific time. |
| 20:19 |
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hdl |
So we made a choice. |
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hdl |
And we try to do it so that zebra can then be reintroduced. |
| 20:19 |
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cait |
I think there are valid concerns about solr - so that it should at least be an option at first |
| 20:19 |
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thd |
ICU = International Components for Unicode a well supported project providing a Unicode programming library supported by IBM etc. |
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hdl |
thd icu support in zebra is rather poor compared to the icu syntax and possibility. |
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cait |
I am concerned about replacing it so fast - as you said it's an important feature of an ILS |
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hdl |
cait: we are trying to gather all the use cases so that features are not lost. |
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hdl |
We are building on top of Data::SearchEngine and Data::Pagination |
| 20:21 |
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thd |
As hdl identifies, the method of calling the ICU in Zebra is an awkward add on from the point when Zebra had no Unicode support. |
| 20:21 |
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clrh |
#link http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/[…]a/SearchEngine.pm |
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hdl |
Data::SearchEngine can be adapted in order to build RPN and CCL queries and work nicely with zebra. |
| 20:22 |
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hdl |
I bet it is doable. |
| 20:22 |
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hdl |
But again, we have limited ressources. |
| 20:22 |
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hdl |
And limitted time. |
| 20:23 |
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hdl |
We work as crazy in order to make the whole change and have some very promising results. |
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clrh |
#link http://catalogue.solr.biblibre.com/ |
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clrh |
#link http://solr.biblibre.com/ |
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hdl |
the two interfaces we built are there for you to try, test. |
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hdl |
On intranet there is a demo/demo account. |
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thd |
There is an English expression, if you break it you have bought it which must have an equivalent in many languages. However, most of us recognise that the work should be done and is of importance to everyone. |
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drulm |
Hello. git version question: I am drawing from git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git |
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hdl |
You can then see the how the indexes can be edited and queried. |
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wizzyrea |
drulm: we're in a meeting |
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slef |
drulm: /msg me please, a meeting is on. |
| 20:25 |
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hdl |
and then you can see the page for indexes : |
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clrh |
#link http://solr.biblibre.com/cgi-b[…]a/solr/indexes.pl |
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hdl |
you can add some indexes, and link them to the index user define. |
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hdl |
And there are some plugins that we can add. |
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hdl |
We already designed plugins as to search for rejected forms. |
| 20:27 |
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hdl |
And usage of authorities in biblio records. |
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hdl |
At the moment, |
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hdl |
we gather use cases sa as not to loose any query that we could do in zebra. |
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thd |
hdl: I am concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option. We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server. |
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clrh |
#Å€ink https://spreadsheets.google.co[…]hl=en&output=html |
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hdl |
thd : in the commits of the wip/solr branch of our git, |
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hdl |
you can see the first commits for a Z3950 search engine on top of solr... |
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hdl |
using SimpleServer |
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hdl |
At the moment, the queries decoded are only simple queries. |
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clrh |
#link http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]fs/heads/wip/solr |
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hdl |
But we will work by the end of the year to have something. |
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hdl |
more powerful and answering the needs. |
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thd |
hdl: It is the limitation of query support which concerns me for the Z39.50/SRU server as we have to write that ourselves. |
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thd |
... for SimpleServer, |
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hdl |
Well, since JZ3950 was proven to be quite ... disappointing. |
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hdl |
We will build a grammar.... |
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thd |
hdl: Do you mean JZKit? |
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hdl |
thd: yes. |
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hdl |
It seems that memory consumption goes exploding. |
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hdl |
thd: have you been in contact with the company working on that ? |
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hdl |
Is there some fix for that ? |
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thd |
I have investigated JZKit deeply as well as options from Index Data. |
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thd |
I do not have a full set of responses but have been writing a detailed report for the RFC. |
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thd |
The only hope of fixing issues is a support contract. |
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thd |
Even some cryptic options in SimpleServer would need a support contract to understand well. |
| 20:35 |
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hdl |
Well we envision a support contract, but more on solr issues than on zebra or z3950. |
| 20:35 |
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thd |
Simple2Zoom is another option in principle for a Z39.50/SRU server. |
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slef |
On the exploding memory consumption theme: my big concern with solr is *its* memory usage (reportedly at least a gigabyte, more than all of koha 3.0 including a base OS, which would mean more expensive servers would be needed for koha libraries). How is solr memory usage on biblibre servers? |
| 20:36 |
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hdl |
well, it has been quite slow. even indexing 300000 biblios. |
| 20:36 |
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hdl |
We never stressed it severely though. |
| 20:37 |
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hdl |
But it is a thing we will do. |
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thd |
I personally favour SimpleServer at the moment but Ian Ibbotson from Knowledge Integration and Sebastian Hammer from Index Data indirectly alerted me to an important problem for having a Z39,50/SRU server. |
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darling |
for what it's worth, at Catalyst we use it from time to time -- there are setups than run very smoothly and make no trouble; there are some where it sometimes goes insane |
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darling |
we have a practise of putting each solr intance on an isolated vm for that reason |
| 20:39 |
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thd |
hdl: How do you intend to return full MARC records for a Z39.50/SRU server when using Solr/Lucene? |
| 20:39 |
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Brooke |
what would be a reasonable benchmark? |
| 20:39 |
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Colin |
Did you evaluate any other options apart from Solr? |
| 20:39 |
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hdl |
indexing marcxml data or even iso2709 |
| 20:39 |
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Brooke |
and how do we compare apples to apples with the current iterations absent performance guidelines? |
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hdl |
Colin: other options could be Nutch or so... |
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darling |
I'm working on a project right now that's indexing about 40k documents of about 5k of structured text each and it's so far not been trouble -- and it's very fast and sweet -- but tricky to configure and gives unclear error messages when it fails -- I like it but don't yet trust it |
| 20:40 |
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hdl |
But solr is quite a standard nowadays. |
| 20:40 |
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thd |
hdl: Solr/Lucene corrupts ISO2709 records. Lucene has a binary storage type which Solr/Lucene does not. |
| 20:40 |
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slef |
Who has declared it a standard? |
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cait |
hdl: I think you can not argument everybody else is using it |
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thd |
hdl: The experience of BlackLight is very informative on the issue of storing full bibliographic records in Solr/Lucene. |
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darling |
slef, it's widely used engouh that I would call it a standardish solution |
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hdl |
slef: at least, it is wide spread. and is doing quite a good job "out of the box." |
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cait |
I really have a bad feeling about a hasty replacement |
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hdl |
and i know at least 4 solutions using solr. |
| 20:42 |
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hdl |
cait it may not be for 3.4 |
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cait |
we should start with an option, if most people start using it we can drop zebra perhaps sometime in the future |
| 20:42 |
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slef |
darling: those are the same sort of arguments which lead to calling Windows "standard" which I don't ;-) |
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thd |
hdl: Which 4 solutions do you mean? |
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darling |
slef, fair enough |
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hdl |
But I think that we had to share the point we achieved. |
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Brooke |
cait++ |
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druthb |
cait++ |
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hdl |
Vufind, BlackLight, Drupal and XC (but it is durpal based) |
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thd |
slef: MS Windows standard :) |
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hdl |
We had no time doing that. |
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cait |
all those are discovery interfaces - no ILs |
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slef |
drupal uses solr? I thought it was some extension module |
| 20:44 |
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hdl |
And it is really time consuming without any tests... or use case... to build regression tests. |
| 20:44 |
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clrh |
it is an extension module more and more used slef |
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thd |
hdl: in the case of the OPACS such as VuFind and BlackLight remember that they are merely OPACs with the real library system and its own OPAC underneath. |
| 20:44 |
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darling |
cait++, and I would expect that the integration would be in such a way that would facilitate slipping in things other than solr later (or sooner, like for smaller setups) |
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hdl |
darling: Data::SearchEngine::Zebra... COULD be written. |
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slef |
clrh: which still doesn't make it drupal. |
| 20:45 |
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darling |
(our use of solr here is mostly for drupal sites we run) |
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hdl |
But we donot have any ressource on that. |
| 20:45 |
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hdl |
C4::Search Had to be revamped... |
| 20:46 |
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hdl |
And we began the work. And we come to you in order to show you what we achieved. |
| 20:46 |
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hdl |
And say we are at this point of the road... |
| 20:47 |
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hdl |
But we won't be able to do the whole lot alone... |
| 20:47 |
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hdl |
And it would just be insane. |
| 20:47 |
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thd |
hdl: I will add a more important case to your count which at least demonstrates scalability in a relatively simple configuration if money is spent on hardware. Wikipedia uses Lucene indexing via some extensions. If it scales for Wikipedia it can really scale with the hardware caveat. |
| 20:48 |
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thd |
No one should expect BibLibre to do this alone any more than we expected LibLime to add Zebra support alone. |
| 20:48 |
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Brooke |
thd++ |
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hdl |
Installer should be ok with solr now. We have an installing option for solr core support. |
| 20:49 |
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cait |
thd: noZebra was kept as an option |
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hdl |
(but yes, only solr) |
| 20:49 |
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Brooke |
what can't be expected is collaboration for a BibLibre deadline when other individuals have their own timeframes and projects. |
| 20:49 |
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thd |
LibLime funded support contracts for Zebra on their own but that was not necessarily a reasonable option. |
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hdl |
cait : but quite rapidly deprecated. |
| 20:49 |
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hdl |
Brooke: I donot ask for more than what ppl are willing to do. |
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hdl |
At least just consider what we do... |
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Brooke |
I am aware of that. It is important to note that distinction, too. |
| 20:50 |
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hdl |
And let us work together... rather than in // |
| 20:50 |
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Brooke |
How do we reconcile profitability with community? Agility with stability? |
| 20:51 |
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Brooke |
Today it is solr/zebra, tomorrow it will be something else. |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
use cases and regression tests. |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
look at the ggl page. |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
you have your use cases : add yours |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
you think of a use case. |
| 20:51 |
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hdl |
add itt |
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thd |
cait: I agree with the assertion which paul_p has made, that long term support for multiple record indexing models has proven too much for the size of the Koha project support community in the past. |
| 20:52 |
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slef |
I'll poll our libraries, but I suspect the concerns of needing java and lots more memory will outweigh the benefits, including some of the claims I questioned without any reply. |
| 20:52 |
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hdl |
there are plenty ways to do. |
| 20:52 |
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hdl |
slef: I will try and assing all the questions you asked. |
| 20:52 |
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slef |
I don't think there's any point polling our members for whether we could fund it from our community fund because it involves java, which is no fun. |
| 20:52 |
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slef |
What's the ggl page? |
| 20:53 |
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clrh |
#link https://spreadsheets.google.co[…]c3b2c&hl=en#gid=1 |
| 20:53 |
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thd |
cait: I agree with you that we should retain options until we are satisfied that the Solr/Lucene solution is ready to replace Zebra for local indexing. |
| 20:53 |
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clrh |
oups maybe bad link |
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darling |
I have to run off to a mtg right now. My parting thoughts are: solr is tasty but not a simple option, I suspect we will be glad once it's in and , pocket sized installations shouldn't have to use it |
| 20:53 |
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slef |
clrh: "Sign in to your account at BibLibre"? |
| 20:53 |
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clrh |
#link https://spreadsheets.google.co[…]hl=en&output=html |
| 20:53 |
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clrh |
better? |
| 20:54 |
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hdl |
in the 5 last minutes. |
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darling |
slef, integrating w/it doesn't mean needing to deal w/java (though app server config matters would be a thing) |
| 20:54 |
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hdl |
#topic what could be done |
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Topic for #koha is now what could be done (Meeting topic: solr search 7 December) |
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slef |
clrh: how do I add "run on a 512Mb server" to it? ;-) |
| 20:54 |
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hdl |
Data::SearchEgine::Zebra |
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hdl |
could be written with a Data::SearchEngine::Query |
| 20:55 |
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hdl |
We could also build dynamically fomrs |
| 20:55 |
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hdl |
We could achieve relevancy. |
| 20:56 |
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hdl |
And do some on the fly weighting. |
| 20:56 |
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slef |
yeah, this is a basic problem I'm having... what's the incentive for someone to write||fund Data::SearchEngine::Zebra? Zebra currently works for most people most of the time. |
| 20:56 |
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hdl |
most people... not in France. |
| 20:57 |
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hdl |
slef: have you ever tried to fix a C4::Search bug ? |
| 20:57 |
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hdl |
Have you ever dived into that code ? |
| 20:57 |
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hdl |
It really needed revamping. |
| 20:57 |
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thd |
slef One hopes that the work involved in refactoring Zebra support to not be the only option would be very much less than the work in adding Solr/Lucene support. |
| 20:58 |
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hdl |
We began the work. |
| 20:58 |
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hdl |
And tried to do something quite SearchEngine Independant. |
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slef |
hdl: I've no memory and searching suggests not. |
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hdl |
of what ? |
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thd |
hdl++ SearchEngine independence |
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slef |
<hdl> slef: have you ever tried to fix a C4::Search bug ? |
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cait |
hdl: sorry, I think it could be improved, but saying it does not work at all seems not right to me |
| 20:59 |
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slef |
thd: sure, but it's still not zero. |
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hdl |
cait: I donot say it doesnot work at all. |
| 20:59 |
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hdl |
It works. |
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thd |
slef: Yes, which is why BibLibre is hoping that you will help. |
| 20:59 |
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hdl |
But not always. and not on all the features it claims to provide. |
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hdl |
For instance availability search is not working. |
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hdl |
We are trying to make it so that what we claim to do. We actually do. |
| 21:02 |
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hdl |
It is quite frustrating we could not take out with a real plan... or actions out of this meeting. |
| 21:02 |
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hdl |
At least, we wanted to come to you and share all the stuff we did. |
| 21:02 |
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slef |
thd: Yes, it does look like BibLibre asking others to work for free. :-( For reasons explained above, I don't see how to make this paid. |
| 21:02 |
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thd |
hdl: Some people have doubted that problems with Zebra when using the ICU are Zebra problems. I could test at least one of those problems readily with my own non-Koha code which has been well tested for character encoding if you provide a Z39.50 server with claimed problems. |
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thd |
slef: The most significant problem I see reported for Zebra is one which hdl does not repeat clearly. |
| 21:03 |
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slef |
It is frustrating that there is no conclusion to this. |
| 21:03 |
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slef |
Now I must go elsewhere. Sorry. Bye all. |
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thd |
slef: There are reports of Zebra failing. |
| 21:04 |
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thd |
slef: This is free software. It is never finished. :) |
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hdl |
No conclusion... Because we have to work and either make that happen or make another thing happe. |
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hdl |
n |
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thd |
hdl: I am sorry that I did not have my report ready well in advance of the meeting. |
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hdl |
any question you have, any comments on the way we did things. you can tell us. |
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clrh |
we really wants to work with you this is why we are here... |
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thd |
hdl: I have been very detailed which takes much time. |
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clrh |
I'll try to be more present on the channel next weeks |
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hdl |
on list, or by chan. |
| 21:06 |
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hdl |
Thanks for your interest. I hope that you can test and send patches or at least see what we achieved. |
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thd |
hdl: What is the function of the use of YAML in your proof of concept or work in progress especially in bulkmarcimport.pl? |
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hdl |
thd: let me end the meeting |
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hdl |
and will answer you. |
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thd |
OK |
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hdl |
#endmeeting |
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hdl |
Next meeting on wendnesday 15th |
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hdl |
at 11AM UTC |
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hdl |
thd we are using YAML in order to link authorities... |
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thd |
hdl: PM as you wrote in your mailing list message is meaningless for UTC. AM avoids possible confusion of some people. |
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hdl |
thd can you give me a link to the file you speack about ? |
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thd |
hdl: How does YAML help for linking authorities, and why did I not use it in addbiblio.pl? |
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* thd |
finding link |
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hdl |
Well I am producing a YAML from authority import |
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hdl |
with Koha authority id and the Heading and the authority record id |
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hdl |
And then when I import a biblio file which have links to authorities... I load this YAML file and builds the links. |
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thd |
hdl: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]fs/heads/wip/solr |
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thd |
hdl: I try too understand your work deeply, although, I mostly concentraited on how to fix the Z39.50/SRU server issue. |
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thd |
hdl: How does YAML help specifically as opposed to not using YAML or how links between biblios and authorities had been built previously. I think that YAML may have many uses so my curiosity was sparked when I noticed use of YAML. |
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good night all |
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thd |
good night cait |
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good night |
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hdl |
good night all |
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right. I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date. |
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thd |
good night hdl |
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drulm |
Hello, is the meeting still on |
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wizzyrea |
no sir :) |
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wizzyrea |
you said you were having a problem with git? |
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drulm |
I just wondered about the 3.03.00.004 Koha version number. Does this somehow mean "3.2" ? |
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wizzyrea |
3.03 is the development branch of Koha, or what we sometimes refer to as "HEAD" |
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wizzyrea |
if you want to track the current stable branch |
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wizzyrea |
you'd do |
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wizzyrea |
git checkout -b 3.2.x --track origin/3.2.x |
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wizzyrea |
which should put you on stable 3.2.x |
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wizzyrea |
instead of on the track for 3.4 |
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wizzyrea |
make sense? |
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drulm |
yes, works for me |
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wizzyrea |
yay! |
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drulm |
"clear as a Summers day of purest azure" |
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hdl |
good night folks |
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thd |
hdl: just before you go |
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hdl |
? |
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hdl |
hi irmaB |
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irmaB |
Hi hdl ... sorry I am so late |
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irmaB |
Is meeting over? |
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hdl |
yes. |
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thd |
hdl: If I put some questions to BibLibre on the mailing list about how something is working in your Solr/Lucene work will someone from BibLibre take the time to explain briefly? |
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irmaB |
OK shall read the log. Was it constructive? |
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drulm |
There is a meeting tomorrow, no? |
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thd |
irmaB: Discussion is always constructive :) |
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irmaB |
Indeed |
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thd |
drulm: There is a general #koha meeting tomorrow. |
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hdl |
thd: sure... please ask... |
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hdl |
We might need some time to answer though. |
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irmaB |
Sorry but I have to go already... goodnight/goodday all ;-) |
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thd |
drulm: Today's meeting was a special topic meeting on BibLibre Solr/Lucene work. |
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hdl: I am very patient. I prefer careful answers to hasty ones. |
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thd |
hdl: Which is why I have not pressed Knowledge Integration and Index Data excessively for quick answers. |
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thd |
good night hdl |
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thd: I saw that. Yes. |
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chris_n |
@later tell cait I've pushed a very raw and mostly untested update for the various sysprefs.sql files to my own repo |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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chris_n |
@later tell cait http://git.koha-community.org/[…]heads/syspref_fix |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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chris_n |
@later tell cait if you have a chance to give it a look I would be grateful for the help |
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munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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chris_n |
as well as anyone else who is versed in installing koha in any of the various languages other than en |
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