IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-21

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01:24 slef in auckland, having lunch at a cafe with wifi
01:27 chris yay
01:27 chris is it cafenet? :)
01:27 slef seen about 5pm tomoz
01:28 chris excellent
01:28 slef tomi at esquires?
01:28 slef where's good for free wifi?
01:28 slef hotel wifi not good in the room
01:28 chris hmm, no idea in bucklame im afraid
01:29 slef oi I'm the one on a phone not you
01:29 chris :)
01:29 chris every so often you will spot a cafe with free, but they are not the majority
01:32 chris you didnt bump into magnus?
01:32 chris i think he landed aroundish the same time as you
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01:38 jransom auckland library cafe has free wifi
01:39 jransom MJ: Lee is at your hotel too
01:46 slef oic
01:46 slef magnus landed 2h before us I think
01:47 slef we were delayed by swerving to avoid a typhoon
01:47 chris ahhh
01:49 slef I've an apache server with loads of sockets stuck as syn_recv
01:49 slef :-/
01:50 slef not got all my keys with me. not sure if I can fix it
01:50 chris stink ;(
01:51 slef jransom: airport express bus stop 3 is fine for the hotel
01:52 slef not sure if you knew
01:52 slef are chips here chips or crisps?
01:54 richard chips are chips :)
01:54 chris chips works for both hot chips (fries in americanese) and cold chips, crisps
01:54 slef and jooi what do you call the white ///// area in the middle of the road?
01:54 chris median strip
01:55 chris oh pedistrian crossing?
01:55 slef awww, not ghost island?
01:55 slef no, median bit
01:55 chris yeah median
01:56 slef finally before I screw the server...
01:56 slef what do you call the black/white post with orange ball by the zebra crossing?
01:56 richard target
01:57 chris well we dont call them zebra crossings, thats a pedistrian crossing .. and i have no idea what the post is called
01:57 chris just dont cross when richard is driving apparently
01:57 chris :)
01:57 richard actually that was in poort taste, given that a policeman did use it as a target
01:59 jransom slef: no I didn't know - but good to know :)
02:00 robin chris: we do so call them zebra crossings.
02:00 jransom not!
02:00 robin at least, in the Mainland :)
02:00 slef back home, the posts are Belisha Beacons
02:00 chris you might
02:01 chris but you guys are weird
02:01 chris :)
02:01 jransom pedestrian crossings (in Levin)
02:01 richard but down their you call luncheon sausgage belgium
02:01 jransom lol
02:01 jransom weird ...
02:01 robin richard: you're the ones with your "batches"
02:01 robin "baches" rather.
02:01 robin see, you can't even spell!
02:01 richard lol
02:03 * slef really hopes that server is just fscking
02:05 slef oh well, will check in 10 or so
02:05 slef bbl
02:12 masonj[…]urveillance-arts/
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02:14 pauln hi all, Should macrons display correctly on Maori terms?
02:15 masonj pauln short answer , yes
02:15 masonj if they dont its a data/encoding issue , not a display issue
02:22 pauln thanks masonj - its from a national library marc record so seems a bit odd
02:22 chris got a url pauln ?
02:23 pauln http://library.hauraki-dc.govt[…]iblionumber=47391
02:23 chris ahh i think i know the problem
02:24 pauln King P�otatau is what is showing - don't even know how to type o with macron
02:24 chris yep
02:24 pauln better work on that :)
02:25 chris i think i can fix this pretty easily
02:25 pauln look at that, i came here rather than email you direct to leave you alone and you come riding along to save us anyway!
02:25 chris i just think its not setting hte right header
02:26 chris hmm or maybe not
02:26 robin Content-Typetext/html; charset=UTF-8
02:27 chris nope thats messed up in the db
02:27 robin but it claims it's running on IIS, so who knows what crazy it does to things.
02:27 chris ah yeah, there is a proxy in front of it
02:27 chris that might be doing it
02:27 * chris logs in to check the record in the db
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02:29 pauln also - the 245b remainder of title does not show in opac i just noticed
02:29 robin hi wizzyrea_, how's wellington been treating you?
02:29 chris pauln: <subfield code="b">an account of the life of P?otatau Te Wherowhero, the first M?aori king /</subfield>
02:29 robin Not been blown out to sea yet?
02:29 wizzyrea_ very well thanks for asking :)
02:29 wizzyrea_ today was about perfect (at last earlier when we were out)
02:29 chris so its not a display thing, it got munged somewhere along the line
02:29 chris oh you can fix that subtitle thing easy
02:29 chris if you go to admin
02:30 robin yeah, it wasn't bad when I was heading in to work.
02:30 chris then keywords to marc mapping
02:30 chris make one called
02:30 chris subtitle
02:30 chris 245
02:30 chris b
02:30 chris that should fix that
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02:32 chris that record looks messed up in te puna
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02:33 pauln ok, done the mapping bit
02:39 chris you pulled that record in via z3950 eh?
02:41 pauln must have, added post-training
02:41 pauln the te puna record looks ok to me
02:42 chris yeah it seems to be coming across like that
02:42 chris is there a way to search te puna from the web?
02:45 chris AH HA!
02:45 chris te puna is encoded in marc-8
02:45 chris not utf-8
02:45 chris fixinated
02:45 chris http://library.hauraki-dc.govt[…]iblionumber=47391
02:45 chris hows that?
02:46 wizzyrea_ oo, pretty OPAC
02:48 wizzyrea_ hrm, there ought to be a check out override for reserves if there is at least  one other item available to fill the hold
02:48 chris ?
02:48 wizzyrea_ so say you have a patron who has an item checked out
02:49 wizzyrea_ and you have 4 items total
02:49 wizzyrea_ 3 are avaliable
02:49 wizzyrea_ if that patron tries to renew it, and the reserve hasn't been assigned
02:49 wizzyrea_ it won't let them renew it, because it wants to give it to the reserve
02:50 wizzyrea_ even though there are other available items
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02:57 pauln Chris - te puna link[…]XK3jLcbXz3UTxAJHM
02:57 chris yep, fixed in the catalogue now
02:57 chris http://library.hauraki-dc.govt[…]iblionumber=47391
02:58 chris te puna is encoded in marc-8
02:58 chris we were expecting utf-8
02:58 chris fixed now
02:58 jcamins_a Do other ILSes not set the LDR/whatever to indicate UTF-8 consistently?
02:59 chris that would be a no
03:00 jcamins_a Ridiculous.
03:00 chris well they often do, but then what their z3950 server hands you
03:00 chris might not match
03:00 jcamins_a So the Z39.50 server changes it?
03:01 chris basically you have to tell your z3950 client what encoding to expect
03:01 chris and it cant mix and match
03:02 chris so have mixed up records in your db, is messy when using Z3950
03:02 chris and often records lie
03:02 jcamins_a I just find the whole thing so baffling.
03:02 robin MARC needs to go away
03:02 robin and be replaced by something sane
03:03 robin and standardised.
03:03 jcamins_a You'd think the library world could get at least one thing right w/r/t languages.
03:03 chris that whole marc-8 thing .. whats that about??? :-)
03:04 robin to aid in standardisation, I'm going to make a commitment to only support MARC in ISO646 and EBCDIC from now on.
03:04 chris heh
03:04 * wizzyrea_ giggles
03:05 chris the first opac i worked on
03:05 chris for wellington city library
03:05 chris the data came out of their mainframe in EBCIDIC
03:05 chris -I
03:05 robin that must have been "fun"
03:05 chris converted it, stuffed into sybase and searched it with perl
03:06 chris ran once a night
03:06 chris was supposed to last for 2 months until their vendor gave them their web opac
03:06 chris it lasted 2 years
03:06 robin goodness
03:06 chris until they changed vendors
03:06 chris agile ... you're doing it wrong!
03:07 robin heh
03:16 pauln chris - sweet, all good
03:16 jcamins_a Okay, time to hit the hay.
03:16 jcamins_a Good night (again), #koha
03:16 chris pauln: excellent
03:16 pauln RDA is almost here to replace MARC - don't ask me anything about it but, no me cataloguer
03:17 pauln is there wifi at kohacon?
03:17 chris there sure is
03:17 chris citylink donated us 3 days of free wifi
03:18 wizzyrea_ !!! that's awesome :D
03:19 pauln are they the ones doing free wifi in cbd?
03:19 chris nope but they do
03:19 chris which is cheap wifi
03:22 pauln nice one
03:24 pauln cheers chris, catch ya
03:24 chris cya later
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04:09 Oak \o
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04:28 slef yengh... on expensive hotel internet
04:28 slef time to fix that server :-/
04:30 wizzyrea_ hey slef
04:30 wizzyrea_ omg, we're in the same time zone!
04:31 chris Slef can ur phone take a sim?
04:31 chris 2degrees prepay 3g is probably cheaper
04:31 chris If you can tether
04:32 slef chris: yeah, I was wondering about that, but I want this fixed in the next 45m
04:32 chris Right, as you were :)
04:32 slef any idea of price/package name?
04:32 slef as that may still be worthwhile
04:32 chris Lemme find it
04:37 chris Hmm not as goood as I remember 20 nz for 1gb
04:38 chris[…]ndzone-data-packs
04:38 chris But still probably cheaper than hotel nets
04:39 slef yeah, data aloways better than time for ssh
04:39 chris If you aren't watching movies unlikely to use all that
04:39 slef ta
04:40 chris Are you in the president hotel?
04:40 chris Lee was going to try to find you
04:41 slef yes, just spooke with 20mins ago
04:41 slef hence the 45min deadline ;-)
04:42 chris Ahh :)
04:42 jransom so wish I was in Auckland already
04:42 slef I think this is a lost cause
04:42 chris Ill leave you to it then
04:42 slef I don't have the ssh keys I need.
04:42 slef They're not in the file they should be.
04:42 chris Stink one
04:43 slef paging colo support now :-/
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05:01 slef @seen cait
05:01 munin slef: cait was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <cait> the messages look not so nice too and you can't show the date and time at the beginning of a message
05:03 jransom she lost somewhere between hong kong and australia and auckland
05:03 jransom due in tomorrow at about 2pm ish
05:05 slef ok ta
05:06 slef HK airport has free wifi
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05:06 slef I think I might have mentioned that.
05:08 chris Wellington does too
05:18 slef ok, off downstairs
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05:29 pianohack Hi #koha
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05:42 wizzyrea_ hey ph :)
05:43 jransom Liz baby :)
05:44 jransom hey pianohacker
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05:57 wizzyrea_ jo! hi :D
05:58 wizzyrea_ doh I missed her
05:58 wizzyrea_ I was going to show her this:
06:18 chris good photo
06:23 wizzyrea_ it's a little blurry but eh
06:25 chris yeah, not bad for a night photo from a phone
06:27 chris did you eat?
06:28 wizzyrea_ yep, we had hell pizza... not very original, but it was really good
06:28 wizzyrea_ well I should say, we had salmon, spring onion, and cream cheese pizza
06:28 wizzyrea_ not one we'd have had at home
06:28 wizzyrea_ ^.^
06:28 chris :)
06:29 chris we get hell for pizza thursdays, so im kinda over them
06:29 chris but i do like the one with gherkins on it
06:30 wizzyrea_ ! I missed that one
06:30 wizzyrea_ very original combinations
06:32 chris cursed
06:32 chris Honey Mustard, Ham, Onions, Gherkins, Chicken, Bacon & Smoked Cheddar.
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06:34 wizzyrea_ mmm ok yea that sounds yummy
06:37 chris tv is crap tonight eh
06:38 wizzyrea_ lol ya
06:41 wizzyrea_ do they run trains on sunday?
06:41 chris yup
06:41 wizzyrea_ woot. Think we'll maybe try to do the train thing then.
06:41 chris where do you want to go?
06:42 wizzyrea_ well I'm a little torn between out of town to see the country (isn't there a wine area to the north?) and a train around the harbor
06:43 chris well you gotta go round the harbour to go out to the vinyeards :)
06:43 wizzyrea_ there you go then
06:43 wizzyrea_ so that
06:43 wizzyrea_ lol
06:44 chris[…]=24-10-2010&modes[]=bus&modes[]=rail&modes[]=fe​rry&modes[]=cablecar&submit=Go
06:44 chris bad url, but hopefully works
06:44 wizzyrea_ ohhhh journey planner
06:45 wizzyrea_ ugh. web usage fail. lol
06:45 wizzyrea_ me, not you
06:46 chris yeah, have a play with the journey planner, martinborough has the vineyards
06:46 chris hmm none of those look that good
06:47 chris greytown is a neat little town
06:47 chris good shops and restaurants
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06:48 chris looks like only 1 train each way on the wairarapa line on sunday
06:49 chris but the hutt line has tons
06:49 chris so you could go to petone
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06:50 chris which is quite a fun little place to look around too
06:51 wizzyrea_ really, 12 miutes by train? I don't know if I can handle that ;)
06:51 chris hehe
06:51 chris heres a plan
06:52 chris take the ferry to eastborne
06:52 chris bus to petone station
06:52 chris train back to wellington
06:52 wizzyrea_ the scale of the maps is what's getting me... nothing is really that far
06:52 wizzyrea_ but it looks like it should be
06:52 chris yeah
06:52 chris hehe
06:53 wizzyrea_ in kansas, maps with that distance mean an hour at least :P
06:53 wizzyrea_ well, what *appears* to be that distance
06:53 wizzyrea_ the scale messes with me
06:53 wizzyrea_ it's just a much smaller place :)
06:53 chris yup
06:57 wizzyrea_ this ferry?
06:58 chris yep
06:59 chris  <-- that one
07:00 chris
07:00 chris you could stop at the island on the way
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07:08 koha_mong hello,
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07:11 newnick hello,
07:11 newnick is anybody here
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07:47 jransom Magnus - kiaora my friend
07:47 jransom welcome to NZ
07:48 magnus thanks jransom - it's been great so far
07:48 jransom did you have a good trip over?
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07:55 magnus jransom: well... it could never be "good", i think, but it was uncomlicated, at least - unlike some, i hear
08:00 wizzyrea_ jo:
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08:09 chris heya magnus :)
08:11 magnus hi chris - we're in the same timezone (as wizzyrea said some days ago) ;-)
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08:16 chris its paul ... in malaysia?
08:16 chris magnus: yeah its weird eh
08:19 magnus hiya paul_p
08:20 magnus chris: it is. and my head is starting to feel weird too, so i'll hit the hay shortly
08:20 chris yeah, its about that time
08:20 chris sleep well
08:22 slef sparkly worly world
08:23 slef whirly even
08:23 slef saw a bus going to Torbay on the walk back. That always amuses me.
08:23 slef Clevedon wines are pretty hilarious too.
08:24 paul_p hi magnus & chris & slef
08:24 slef (Clevedon is 7 miles from home. No vineyards)
08:24 paul_p klia++
08:24 paul_p free wifi (2 hours) everywhere
08:24 paul_p take off in 4 hours.
08:24 paul_p i'm 30hours without sleeping, start to be really tired...
08:24 slef HK seems to have unlimited free wifi.
08:25 slef erm? no hotel at AMS?
08:25 paul_p french airport have a 0mn free wifi
08:25 slef Yeah, LHR has no free either
08:25 paul_p slef, yep, but I wake up a 6AM
08:25 slef but my 3g is cheap enough there
08:25 paul_p and that was 30h ago now...
08:25 slef no sleep in flight?
08:26 paul_p (could not sleep in the plane, even with an emergency exit seat)
08:26 slef aww
08:26 paul_p was 11PM in my body when we landed, so ...
08:26 paul_p (and I forget the sleeping drugs my doctor gave to me :(((( )
08:27 slef I'm ignoring my sleep-disrupting medication today.
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08:29 slef hi hdl
08:29 magnus g'night #koha
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08:30 slef hdl: are you hd or just h in speech usually?
08:30 hdl hd.
08:30 hdl But usually american and foreign folks use henri only ;)
08:32 slef I will carry on confusing them then :)
08:36 chris heh
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08:37 slef chris: good NZ tv now guide website?
08:37 chris hmmm
08:38 chris[…]l-tv/tvg-grid.cfm
08:38 slef ta
08:38 chris thats missing 2 channels
08:38 chris and
08:38 slef oh and Emmerdale after the lunchtime news? really?
08:38 chris who have some retarded rule
08:39 chris yep, its for the 70 year olds who watch lunchtime news :)
08:39 chris theres bugger all on tonight
08:40 hdl hi from Kuala Lumpur
08:40 slef chris:
08:40 chris heya hdl
08:40 slef while talking about retarded rules
08:40 chris yeah tv3 and c4 must have some rule about that
08:40 chris too
08:41 chris actually if you are in hotels
08:41 chris
08:41 chris you probably have sky
08:42 slef we seem to have a bizarre mix here
08:42 slef one two three six prime dw-tv bvn tv5
08:43 chris ahhh, freeview
08:43 slef says different channels to what is on the very slow tv
08:44 slef It's a Lifestylepanel.
08:44 slef I suspect that is because you have to plan your life around its boot time.
08:44 slef MSIE inside
08:45 chris ahhh yeah
08:46 chris[…]freeview/tv_guide  <-- like that?
08:52 slef chris: yeah, about half of that.
08:58 chris those are all the free to air ones
09:02 slef oh other thing that was worrying to see: NZ imports the Jeremy Kyle show???
09:14 paul_p hdl should not say "hi from KL", but "Hi from KL business class lounge, where I am on a comfortable chair, could take a shower, while Paul is in economy, on an uncomfortable chair in the airport". But I agree that would be longer :D
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09:15 paul_p chris, about ?
09:15 hdl paul_p: that's just an unexpected Happy Birthday from circomstances ;)
09:16 * si wanders by
09:16 paul_p yes ! I forgot that : Happy Birthday once again hdl !!!
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09:17 si paul: you're on your way to Wellington?
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09:19 paul_p si, nope. On the way to Auckland.
09:19 paul_p we are in Kuala Lumpur, after many events !
09:19 si woo, cool
09:19 paul_p -hdl tickets cancelled by company
09:19 * si lived in KL for several years as a boy
09:19 paul_p - france on strike, missing our AMS<>KL
09:20 si paul: but you'll be in Wellington next week?
09:20 paul_p - we could have had a problem with my luggage, it was not supposed to be given to me in KL, but I saw it by chance when passing near the baggage drop !
09:20 paul_p si, yep, of course ;-)
09:20 si heh
09:20 si splendid
09:21 chris hi paul_p
09:21 si I can categorically state that it will not be as warm as KL here :-)
09:21 chris hehe
09:21 paul_p NZ++
09:21 paul_p and conditionned air is really cold everywhere, so we get hot/cold/hot/cold
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09:23 paul_p hi chris. I want your opinion about the 2008-2009 history of Koha. do you think I should speak of the events with ptfs/ll ? I plan to do something like : "title => Houston, we have a problem" and explain in a few lines what happends, and why it has slowed the project (lot of time spent instead of happy hacking)
09:25 chris i think maybe very briefly
09:25 chris patrick jones is no longer coming
09:26 chris but jane wagner is instead
09:26 si Copyright 2005-2006 Ookla
09:26 si Calculates the size of a HTTP Request.
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09:32 slef It's blooming freezing in bucklame president but I think I have figured out the heating.
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09:34 slef where should I email my slides?
09:34 slef not absolutely final but I would like to get something saved
09:35 chris kristina at catalyst or chrisc at catalyst
09:35 * paul_p happy with the idea to see jwagner, but don't know (or fear to know) where all this ...(silence here) ... will go :\
09:37 slef so does this mean I should drop the section of my session on the future of
09:37 slef ;-)
09:39 slef
09:39 chris net
09:40 slef net or
09:41 chris :)
09:41 slef oh oops - from line on that will be wrong, so please let me know here :)
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10:01 chris you sent it to me slef ?
10:02 * chris is falling asleep, so ill let you know in the morning when it makes it through the greylisting or whatever has caught it
10:04 chris oh there it is
10:05 chris cool, now im going to sleep
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11:46 Brendan-O morning :)
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11:59 jcamins_a Morning.
11:59 Brendan-O morning jcamins_a
11:59 jcamins_a !!!
12:00 jcamins_a Looks like Amit was pretty busy!
12:00 jcamins_a Amit++
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12:30 jcamins Hm. First item on my to-do list is figuring out how to duplicate input boxes.
12:33 jcamins I think maybe I'll move that to later in my to-do list.
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12:56 jcamins Wow. C4::Languages is impressively confusing.
13:08 brendan So I guess I was talking in my sleep lastnight - I woke up my wife by saying
13:09 schuster jwagner is going to NZ?
13:09 brendan "How much for a MARC record?  2 dollars!!!  that's ridiculous!!  They should be free!"
13:09 braedon|1 hahaha
13:09 braedon|1 you better be serious brendan
13:09 schuster someone is really proud of their work...
13:09 brendan I guess I kept talking about MARC records - so much that She had to get up and turn the light on for me to stop talking
13:09 jwagner schuster, yes I am, last minute decision as of yesterday.
13:10 * jwagner is VERY busy getting things organized to go....
13:10 brendan then I said - wow that's extreme and rolled over and kept sleeping
13:10 schuster Enjoy!  wish there was a last minute decision like that around here, but since my passport has expired I doubt that would work!
13:11 jwagner My passport is about the only thing that IS ready.  But I ticked off a lot of errands yesterday.  Still a bunch more to go.
13:12 * jwagner is so distracted this morning that I made my second cup of tea with cold water -- guess we're having iced tea....
13:12 jcamins Woohoo! I successfully read the list of languages from the database!
13:20 brendan have a fun trip jwagner!!!  hopefully the plane ride treats you ok and you don't have too difficult of time :)
13:21 braedon|1 and don't sleep talk about marc records on the plane :)
13:22 jwagner It's going to be rough.  I'm getting handicapped assistance through the various airports, but my arthritic legs aren't going to like that much time in a plane seat.
13:22 jwagner Dunno about sleep talking, but many years back, when I was managing a migration from an old ILS to Unicorn, I was dreaming in MARC record format by the end of the project.  I can think of better things to dream about.
13:23 * braedon|1 dreams about uni projects and assignments
13:23 braedon|1 i imagine it will only get worse with work projects :P
13:24 braedon|1 spending the entire night planning out intricate details of an assignment, and then waking up to find it is all nonsense is, well, interesting
13:24 jcamins Why I am I getting an array reference from GetRecordValue?
13:25 jcamins Does that make sense? I don't think it does.
13:25 brendan yeah I can't believe $2dollars for a MARC record and that's nonsense this morning ;)
13:26 jwagner Actually I get some of my best solutions in dreams :-)  If I'm struggling with a script or something, I often wake up about 2 AM thinking, oh, THAT'S how to fix it.
13:26 brendan sounds like jcamins is talking in his sleep
13:27 braedon|1 sometimes takes me upwards of half an hour to sort out exactly what i have planned is actually usable, and what is based on some fantasy version of the assignment - not good when the assignment in question is due in a couple of hours
13:27 jcamins brendan: sadly not.
13:28 jcamins I have a keyword mapping 'city'->260a, but when I use GetRecordValue to retrieve it, I get an array reference.
13:28 jcamins When I try to dereference the array, I get nothing.
13:34 jcamins Okay, so according to ref it's an array of an array of a hash.
13:38 * jcamins hates Perl variables
13:38 jcamins Everything is type '$'
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13:41 jcamins Okay, supposedly GetRecordValue returns an array of hashes.
13:41 jcamins A shame it doesn't appear to do that when I call it.
13:42 jcamins Except when I try to dereference it, it tells me it's not a hash value.
13:47 * jcamins has decided he doesn't like C4.
13:51 jwagner jcamins, that's a potentially explosive statement :-)
13:54 jcamins Yes, I know.
13:54 jcamins But it seems that C4 is tightly coupled to the template system we use.
13:55 braedon|1 and if you disconnect the couplings in the wrong order, the device will be triggered?
13:56 jcamins I think so, yes.
13:56 * braedon|1 votes for the red wire
13:57 braedon|1 (so long as you change your mind at the last second, you should be fine)
13:58 * jcamins bangs his head on the table
13:59 jcamins Interesting fact: the limited comments in C4 are often misleading or wrong.
14:00 braedon|1 positive thinking jcamins - remeber, if you want it hard enough, you can do anything
14:00 braedon|1 those comments are the negative thinkgers
14:00 braedon|1 thinkers even
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14:01 braedon|1 always trying to bring you down
14:01 braedon|1 don't let them lead you astray!
14:01 braedon|1 read the code, understand the code, BE the code!
14:02 jcamins I think that this is a hash.
14:02 jcamins Unfortunately, apparently Perl disagrees.
14:02 jcamins The Template Pro agrees with me, however.
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14:06 braedon|1 alas, my "usefulness" re perl is currently limited to motivational comments
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14:07 jcamins Okay, Perl is convinced this is not a hash reference.
14:08 jcamins It says it's an array.
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14:10 jcamins Ah ha.
14:10 jcamins It's an array of an array of a hash, and Perl won't let you access it directly.
14:12 jcamins I have successfully extracted "New York."
14:20 jcamins my @cities = GetRecordValue('city', $record, GetFrameworkCode($biblionumber));
14:20 jcamins my $city = shift @cities;
14:20 jcamins print @$city[0]->{'subfield'};
14:20 jcamins exit;
14:20 jcamins Hm. That didn't work.
14:21 jcamins If anyone wants to retrieve the value from GetRecordValue directly, the code for that is $whatever[0][0]->{'subfield'} with $whatever declared as an array.
14:29 jcamins Do you put subroutine definitions at the top or bottom of a a file?
14:33 brendan I think usually practice is at the end
14:33 brendan bottom
14:34 jcamins Okay, thanks.
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15:04 brendan ah which table are lists stored in?
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15:09 jcamins virtualshelfcontents?
15:10 jcamins How come scalar() is returning an array reference?
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15:20 jcamins I think Perl didn't use pointers?
15:23 jcamins *thought
15:31 jcamins Does anyone here understand Perl arrays?
15:40 * jcamins remembers why he hates working with Perl.
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16:01 jcamins Okay, this can wait until NZ wakes up.
16:01 jcamins Two hours and I've made no progress.
16:05 gmcharlt jcamins: one trick is to use Data::Dumper;
16:05 gmcharlt then Dumper($foo) will print the structure of a variable that is a reference
16:06 schuster gmcharlt - you going to NZ?
16:06 gmcharlt schuster: no; I'll be attending the conference is spirit, as it were
16:07 * jwagner will hoist a glass for gmcharlt, in the spirit
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16:09 schuster Stuck here with the rest of us US unable to leave the country!  Now I don't feel so bad!
16:14 jcamins gmcharlt: I'll try that.
16:14 jcamins Actually, I think I'll make this save MARC records first.
16:16 jcamins Now I just have to figure out whether someone's hit the "Submit" button or not.
16:17 jcamins Is it just me or does the Perl documentation make exactly no allowance for people who don't already know how to do what they want to do?
16:17 jcamins I decided to give up.
16:17 jcamins Sorry, wrong window.
16:17 gmcharlt jcamins: that's what the Camel book is for
16:17 jcamins (the giving up bit... that was about another project)
16:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I shall have to get a copy then.
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17:17 brendan schuster you a rangers fan?
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18:05 chris gah this weather is disgusting
18:05 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 22, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
18:05 brendan morning chris
18:05 brendan @wunder 93117
18:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.6�C (11:15 AM PDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
18:05 brendan not too much better here
18:05 wizzyrea_ @wunder Lawrence, ks
18:06 munin wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.7�C (1:17 PM CDT on October 21, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling).
18:06 chris we are getting 70kmph gusts
18:06 wizzyrea_ hrmph.
18:06 chris wizzyrea_: its a southerly, straight from antartica ... we want it to change to a northerly
18:06 wizzyrea_ I'll order that rigt up
18:06 wizzyrea_ right*
18:07 chris[…]-nz-colour-latest
18:07 chris that high is taunting us
18:08 wizzyrea_ heh yea it is
18:09 chris what time does the tour start?
18:09 wizzyrea_ 1:30
18:10 chris ahhh
18:10 brendan what tour?
18:10 chris it might blow itself out by then
18:10 chris fingers crossed
18:10 chris i can see blue to the south
18:10 wizzyrea_ lotr tour
18:10 wizzyrea_ :)
18:10 brendan oh man - so jealous
18:11 chris im gonna say 2 hours the rain will be gone
18:11 brendan lotr++
18:11 wizzyrea_ says the guy from bywater :)
18:11 brendan YAY!!!
18:11 chris so 9.22am ... lets see how wrong i am
18:11 brendan just reading --> from ranginui tweets
18:12 wizzyrea_ yup, it's a big deal here
18:12 wizzyrea_ like, huge
18:12 chris imho its Warner brothers being dicks
18:12 wizzyrea_ stupid americans >.>
18:12 wizzyrea_ afk a min
18:13 chris this bit gives it away "It had been agreed the ban would be lifted on Monday. Warner Bros had asked to consult about how it would be announced, but had not issued a press release so Actors' Equity lifted the ban yesterday. "
18:13 brendan wizzyrea_ let me know when you post pics from your tour :)
18:14 chris bbiab
18:14 wizzyrea_ supposedly they have elf ears in the vans so you can "be the elf you are"
18:15 wizzyrea_ def will do brendan. I'm putting most things on flickr:
18:16 brendan oh man elf ears
18:17 brendan I need to sign off soon - I can't handle the suspense of waiting to see your pics
18:17 brendan spud with elf ears!!!  woohooo!
18:17 wizzyrea_ lol
18:20 brendan :sigh:
18:20 brendan I should of gone to Kohacon
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18:30 jcamins brendan: you know, I never made the connection to LotR before.
18:30 brendan heh - yup bywater - that small community meeting place in the shire
18:31 brendan prancing pony is there IRC
18:31 jcamins Green Dragon, I think.
18:31 jcamins Prancing Pony is in Bree. :)
18:32 jcamins Hey, there's a "List of Middle-earth inns" on Wikipedia.
18:43 schuster brendan - when in Texas and the local team is winning EVERYONE is a Rangers fan.  It is red and blue day at work tomorrow.
18:46 brendan cool hopeing the rangers bet them bums (yanks)
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19:00 schuster Yep!
19:02 schuster sql question - I want to find things that have booksellerid like "%PO%" but not booksellerid like "%BOND%"
19:02 schuster any hints?
19:05 slef just as you wrote but s/but/and/ and ' instead of "
19:05 slef might be a more optimised way of writing it - iDunno
19:06 schuster Guess I wrote it almost correct anyway!  booksellerid like "%PO%" not booksellerid like "%BOND%"
19:06 brendan like '' and not like '';
19:06 schuster yes anyway That wasn't in my mysql book in a nutshell!
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19:08 brendan @seen sekjal
19:08 munin brendan: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 day, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <sekjal> ok, time to find my gate. cheers, all!
19:09 brendan sekjal has got to be getting close
19:09 brendan @seen nengard
19:09 munin brendan: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <nengard> collum sent a reminder email - let me know if  you get it
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19:17 CGI903 Buenas tardes
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19:18 CGI748 Buenas tardes me gustaria  saber como emito un listado de materias en el sistema
19:22 CGI748 traducción del español al inglés
19:22 CGI748 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system
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19:26 richard hi
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19:39 brendan heya richard
19:39 richard hi brendan
19:43 slef anyone know a good bakery in central auckland? :-)
19:45 chris from what i remember theres not a lot of anything in central auckland
19:47 slef I might stroll out towards mt eden then
19:47 chris ah yeah there are a couple of decent places out there
19:48 chris sleep well?
19:48 slef yeah fine. oddly, a +12 jump seems easier than a +5
19:49 chris yep
19:49 chris i found europe easier to adjust to than the us
19:49 slef Maybe it's just that NZ is more euro than US ;-)
19:49 chris that could be it :)
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19:52 CGI818 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system
19:53 CGI818 Buenas tardes me gustaria saber como genero un reporte de las materias o descritores tematicos en el sistema
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19:59 slef biab - food time
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20:18 CGI858 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system
20:19 CGI858 Buenas tardes me gustaria saber como generar un reporte de descriptores tematicos en Koha
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20:33 fcapo Hello, I have a problem : in my koha instance, if I activate EnhancedMessagingPreferences and then try to configure a patron category, I get an empty "Default messaging preferences for this patron category" table.
20:39 fcapo It seems my message_attributes table is empty and EnhancedMessagingPreferences needs it.
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20:40 CGI550 Buenas tardes
20:40 rhcl_away Everybody: a lot of the people that could normally help with questions are in New Zealand for the Koha Conference.
20:41 fcapo oh, good to know... :/
20:41 rhcl_away It's probably OK to go ahead and ask questions, but responses may be a little slow for a while.
20:41 chris fcapo: it might be better to mail the list
20:42 chris as yeah, most of us are busy with last minute things
20:42 chris (like writing my presentation)
20:42 CGI550 Good afternoon I would like to know how to print a list of materials in the system
20:42 fcapo ok, no problems
20:45 CGI550 Buenas tardes me pueden indicar como generar un reporte de materias ingresadas al sistema?
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20:58 brendan CGI550 -->
20:58 brendan try looking there and see if you can't find some information
21:01 CGI550 thanks
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21:06 chris cait is in sydney
21:08 gmcharlt chris: any last minute translations?
21:09 chris lemme just quickly check
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21:10 magnus auckland city library yay!
21:10 chris :)
21:10 chris free wifi?
21:11 magnus yup!
21:11 magnus hey, they should be using koha...
21:12 chris yeah, not III
21:12 chris sekjal needs to show them his presentation
21:12 chris gmcharlt: just committed the changes
21:12 chris norwegian and spanish
21:12 gmcharlt thanks much
21:12 chris so if you want to pull from the translation branch on workbuffer
21:13 chris you'll grab them
21:13 CGI550 buenas tardes como puedo generar un reporte de subject
21:14 CGI550 es decir libros ingresados al sistema
21:16 CGI550 podrian indicarme en que tabla de la base de datos de Koha se almacena los subject de los libros catalogados ?
21:17 CGI550 could tell me that table Koha database stored the subject of the books entered into the system?
21:20 CGI550 I want to generate a list through a mysql query
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21:20 richard CGI550 this might help -[…]L_Reports_Library
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21:23 magnus hiya wizzyrea_
21:23 wizzyrea_ hi there
21:26 CGI550 thanks richard
21:26 CGI550 :)
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21:27 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Translations
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21:51 darling[…]or-Labour-weekend
21:51 wizzyrea_ just in time for us to be inside at kohacon ;)
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21:52 chris heh
21:52 darling yeah, it's been a little nasty past day or so
21:52 darling we'll want it to be nice for lunchtimes
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22:32 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing a double count of a developer and adding a new one to the history <[…]b00a5b233bf9a027f> / Bug 4305 - prevent errors when handling invalid ISBN13 values <[…]168fd99d4062cea4f>
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22:42 hudsonbot * Robin Sheat: Bug 4305 - prevent errors when handling invalid ISBN13 values
22:42 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Fixing a double count of a developer and adding a new one to the history
22:42 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13
22:43 chris Nate: you are in nz already!!
22:43 Nate Yessiree!
22:43 * gmcharlt pouts
22:43 chris sweet, where you at?
22:43 Nate Nomad backpackers
22:44 chris cool, ill be dropping ian off there later today
22:44 Nate Need to find food soon or I'll be on the news
22:44 wizzyrea_ "crazy american tries to eat raw fish from harbor"
22:44 chris ahh, 2 secs lemme check what my wife is up to, if she isnt coming into town i could meet you for lunch
22:45 Nate Great!
22:46 chris ahh, she is coming in .. rain cheque!
22:46 chris ill see you later today anyway im sure
22:46 Nate Sounds good
22:46 Nate What time are you dropping by here?
22:46 chris they land at 3.10
22:46 chris so prolly 4.30ish
22:47 chris by the time clear customs etc
22:47 Nate Cool I'll make sure im here
22:47 chris sweet
22:47 Nate Off for sustenance
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22:47 chris if you head out the hostel, turn right, then right
22:47 chris too late :)
22:48 darling lunch now anybody?
22:48 chris im being picked up 12.30, so ill pass
22:50 chris nate is wandering around cuba street somehwere :)
22:50 jcamins chris: that sounds like a good place to find food...
22:51 chris it is
22:51 jcamins How is my desk a mess again?
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23:33 cyrixbmx Why in Koha when I have a double quote in my sentence I can not translate de sentence in my file .po?  Exemple : in the file fr-CA-pref.po I have the following string : msgid "enhanced-content.pref#AmazonEnabled# data from Amazon on the staff interface (including reviews and \"Search Inside\" links on item detail pages). This requires that you have signed up for and entered an access key."
23:33 cyrixbmx But since there is double quote in the string, koha can not translate the sentend with : msgstr "les donn�es d'Amazon sur l'interface professionnelle (y compris les critiques et les liens \"Recherche interne\" sur les pages de d�tails de l'ouvrage). Ceci n�cessite une demande de cl� d'acc�s et la saisie de cette m�me cl�."
23:36 cyrixbmx hmmm I will go sleep then if someone know the response he can to reply me in private :)  thanks
23:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5303 Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded <[…]f984ef69fccd8a163>
23:48 slef @seen magnus
23:48 munin slef: magnus was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <magnus> hiya wizzyrea_
23:49 hudsonbot Starting build 76 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:57 hudsonbot Project Koha build (76): SUCCESS in 7 min 42 sec:
23:57 hudsonbot Frédéric Demians: Bug 5303 Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded
23:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5303 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Overdue notices subject is improperly encoded

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