IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-07

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00:36 chris man, still going, gmcharlt is a machine
00:36 gmcharlt and about to inflict yet more ugliness on TmplTokenizer to get the translatable-templates test case to pass
00:37 chris i have a student who is dead keen to rewrite that, once he has template::toolkitted the templates so the ugliness shouldnt need to last too long :)
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00:50 gmcharlt oops
00:51 gmcharlt just a sec
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00:54 gmcharlt hudsonbot: build Koha
00:54 hudsonbot gmcharlt: job Koha build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds
00:54 hudsonbot Starting build 60 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:03 munin New commit(s) kohagit: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl <[…]49b1576671be12575>
01:09 hudsonbot Project Koha build (60): SUCCESS in 14 min:
01:09 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl
01:09 hudsonbot Starting build 61 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:09 gmcharlt chris: hudson now runs some of the author tests
01:10 gmcharlt in particular, it will now complain about broken or unstranslatable templates
01:10 chris awesome :)
01:10 chris gmcharlt++
01:11 wasabi thanks galen!
01:12 gmcharlt ok, who wants to grab a tarball from git and do a fresh install on a clean box?
01:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: defer rotating collections <[…]5a4ad881f041beb22>
01:13 chris can do
01:13 gmcharlt thanks
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01:17 chris downloading now
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01:19 chris running perl Makefile.PL
01:20 chris cool it checked for Business::ISBN
01:23 chris ok, up to making now
01:23 robin while that other thing is being looked into, I may have to read through those commits and start prepping new packages.
01:23 chris (it helps having a fresh squeeze instance handy)
01:24 chris *nod*
01:24 chris ok make install
01:25 pastebot "chris" at pasted "Koha's files have now been ins" (7 lines) at
01:25 chris so far so good
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01:26 * richard plans to set up a koha on my box at home this weekend - if it's raining
01:27 richard might even dust off my copy of 'teach yourself perl in 21 days'
01:27 chris :-)
01:27 chris perl mongers on tuesday night too
01:27 chris you can listen to doug
01:27 chris
01:28 richard ah yeah. someone entered it on our staff calendar
01:30 chris and done, appears to have installed fine gmcharlt
01:30 chris at least im not getting any 500's anywhere
01:36 gmcharlt cool
01:41 gmcharlt chris: take a look at process 7413 on bugs
01:41 gmcharlt for some reason prove xt/author/valid-templates.t is hanging on just that particular template
01:41 chris hmmmm
01:42 chris ill go look
01:42 gmcharlt it happily finishes if you kill it, but if you can figure out why it's hanging on marc21_field_007.tmpl, that would be great
01:42 gmcharlt doesn't happen to me on Debian
01:43 robin Of course, _now_ I find a patch I meant to send in but forgot to.
01:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev <[…]2462ef3f08fb840a6>
01:43 chris heh
01:43 chris gmcharlt: will do
01:43 gmcharlt thanks
01:44 chris or at lest will attempt too
01:51 chris that is weird
01:51 chris i wonder what it is blocking on
01:54 hudsonbot Project Koha build (61): SUCCESS in 45 min:
01:54 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: defer rotating collections
01:54 hudsonbot Starting build 62 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:54 chris_n gmcharlt++
02:01 * chris_n ssh's in to get the latest scoop on his production box
02:03 chris interesting
02:04 hudsonbot Project Koha build (62): SUCCESS in 9 min 41 sec:
02:04 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:04 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev
02:04 chris xt/author/valid-templates.t .. 1/?
02:04 chris it hung on the first one that time
02:04 chris ctrl-c
02:04 chris and then it hung on 15/
02:04 chris on my ubuntu box at work, its currently hung on 70
02:05 chris ohhh it got to 18/? that time
02:05 chris chris_n: got an ubuntu machine handy?
02:05 robin aren't non-deterministic bugs fun?
02:05 chris_n several aamof
02:05 chris in a koha checkout
02:05 chris try running
02:05 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:06 chris i wonder if its ram
02:06 chris_n running now
02:07 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "prove xt/author/valid-templates.t" (13 lines) at
02:07 chris_n and we're hung
02:07 chris yeah it does seem to be an ubuntu thing
02:09 chris hm or maybe not, it just did it on a lenny box for me too
02:10 * robin prepares packages
02:11 chris gmcharlt: well on 3 different machiens, 2 lucid one lenny, i can get it to hang .. at random places .. i have no idea what its doing
02:11 gmcharlt heh - and yet it never hangs for me
02:11 * chris_n gets bit by the new dep again :-\
02:12 chris_n hung on lucid for me
02:12 chris if i try running it this way
02:13 chris perl xt/author/valid-templates.t
02:13 chris ok 97 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_140.tmpl
02:13 chris is where it seems to be stopping
02:13 chris on my desktop
02:14 * chris_n wonders if he is the first one to have the RC in production use ;-)
02:14 chris ok 20 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_100.tmpl
02:14 chris on bugs
02:16 chris_n hmm
02:16 chris_n fails on 247
02:16 chris_n 249
02:16 chris_n and hangs on
02:16 chris yeah its random :)
02:16 chris_n 262
02:17 chris_n fails the same every run on this box
02:17 chris oh so it does
02:17 chris but different on every box :)
02:18 chris gmcharlt: want me to update ?
02:18 gmcharlt chris: just a moment
02:18 chris nengard made a point of telling me i had to update it :-)
02:20 chris_n fails on value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl
02:20 chris_n weirdness
02:20 * chris_n is off to drink coffee with his wife
02:20 chris right thats what gmcharlt said
02:20 chris so yeah its that file
02:20 * chris tries an expirement
02:21 chris yeah, mved the file .. it completed fine
02:24 chris it is one of the bigger templates
02:25 chris 322k
02:25 chris K even
02:25 gmcharlt chris_n: isn't it a bit late to be drinking coffee? :)
02:26 chris yeah nothing (including the xslt) comes close to the same size
02:26 chris i wonder if its just that
02:30 robin woah, I just had a huge bunch of tests fail.
02:30 robin oh. missing module.
02:30 robin hmm
02:31 chris Business::ISBN ?
02:31 chris thats a new one
02:32 robin yeah, that's the one
02:39 chris_n gmcharlt: never too late to drink coffee with my wife ;-)
02:41 chris ahh it gets stuck in here
02:41 chris while (<CHILD_ERR>) {
02:42 jcamins_a That's an ironic juxtaposition.
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02:43 jcamins Is chris_n Jr teething? ;)
02:43 robin for the interested, these are the dep changes: + libbusiness-isbn-perl,
02:43 robin + libnet-server-perl,
02:43 robin - libtest-harness-perl | perl-modules,
02:43 robin + libuniversal-require-perl,
02:43 chris_n jcamins: after four there will be no more teething in this house unless it is grandchildren and then they will be promptly sent home :-)
02:44 jcamins chris_n: fair enough.
02:45 chris with licorice
02:45 chris_n jcamins: our oldest is 15 and youngest is 4 and each one is very dear
02:46 chris_n actually our oldest daughter takes care of putting the youngest daughter to bed each night, so that explains why we were having coffee
02:46 chris :)
02:46 chris my two are at the annoy each other phase
02:47 chris  even when sick .. you must poke your sleeping brother in the nose
02:47 chris_n still happens around here on occasion
02:48 chris_n that is funny :)
02:49 * chris_n wonders if the test failure has anything to do with that line ending in '--gmc'... ;-)
02:53 chris_n check this out
02:53 chris_n ./ ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/c​ataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl
02:53 chris_n Pro.xs: non-zero exit code 3 at /usr/lib/perl5/HTML/Template/ line 200.
02:54 * chris_n wonders why that does not come in <CHILD_ERR>?
02:55 chris yeah it seems to get stuck in that while loop forever
02:57 darling happy 3.2.0 everybody
02:57 Topic for #koha is now Happy 3.2.0 Release Candidate day
02:59 chris_n I think that error is being pushed out CHILD_OUT rather than CHILD_ERR
03:04 gmcharlt chris_n: the third argument is missing
03:05 gmcharlt it should be something like
03:05 gmcharlt ./ ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/c​ataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/
03:05 chris_n interesting
03:05 gmcharlt or second argument rather
03:05 chris_n if I just parse through the contents of the CHILD_OUT handle, the test runs fine
03:05 gmcharlt it's the path to the include dir
03:05 chris_n right
03:05 robin Hey folks, new Koha packages uploaded!
03:05 gmcharlt robin++
03:06 chris_n chris: try this and see if things fly ok
03:06 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "return sub { return unless -f" (28 lines) at
03:08 chris_n gmcharlt: running with the include path yields this:
03:08 chris_n built-in find_file: can't find file (included from ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/c​ataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl) with path = [ 'koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes' ]
03:09 chris_n opps
03:09 chris_n runs fine now
03:09 * chris_n scratches his head
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03:10 robin gmcharlt: just added an installation patch on bug #5288
03:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency
03:10 gmcharlt chris_n: is relevant here
03:11 gmcharlt perldoc IPC::Open3 indicates that we need to be more careful with the IO, since we've set readers for both stdout and stderr in the open3 call
03:11 chris ahh yeah
03:11 gmcharlt your
03:11 gmcharlt paste helps by ensuring that stdout is read
03:11 gmcharlt but I think it would still be subject to the possiblity of deadlock
03:13 chris yeah
03:13 chris i think that is what is happening, some kinda deadlock, possibly triggered by the length of the file
03:15 gmcharlt robin: patch pushed
03:15 robin gmcharlt: sweet :)
03:16 chris_n so is reading stdout an acceptable workaround for the time being?
03:16 gmcharlt for the moment, but stick in a big fat FIXME, please
03:16 chris :)
03:16 * gmcharlt is going to bed
03:16 gmcharlt good night
03:17 chris yeah that will stop hudson hanging for the moment
03:17 chris thanks heaps gmcharlt
03:17 chris sleep well you earned it
03:18 chris_n g'night gmcharlt
03:19 robin cya
03:21 chris_n still fails 2 tests, but does finish now
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03:22 hudsonbot Starting build 63 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details <[…]80796fb53eb2bee9a>
03:24 chris_n gmcharlt: patch sent to the list
03:26 chris_n ok, off to bed
03:27 chris night chris_n
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03:56 chris
03:59 Braedon *cough* sun/oracle *cough*
04:01 * Braedon wonders how one would say 'slash' while covering with a cough...
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05:17 chris heh
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05:32 fredericd Thanks all for the today RC
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06:44 magnus woohoo!
06:45 chris heh
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07:01 chris hi hdl happy 3.2.0 day ;)
07:01 hdl chris: wOOOt
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07:10 kf good morning #koha :)
07:10 chris hiya kf
07:12 kf morning chris :)
07:12 kf nice to wake up to rc 1 :)
07:13 chris yup ;)
07:20 magnus guten morgen, kf
07:20 kf morning magnus :)
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07:22 kf chris: BSZ-DW?
07:22 tance hello
07:22 magnus hi tance
07:22 chris its picked that up from your email
07:23 kf can you change to BSZ-BW? BW is for the state baden württemberg :)
07:23 chris yup will do
07:23 tance i have a problem with koha permisions
07:23 kf thx :)
07:24 tance i have bullt a koha for diferent libraires
07:24 tance i have turn on independentBranch on
07:24 kf ah, the translation is pushing us - I wondered why we are ranked so high
07:25 tance but users can modify delete books of the aother libraries
07:25 tance try it
07:25 tance
07:25 tance usr demo
07:25 tance pass demo
07:26 tance make a search with the letter 'a'
07:26 tance and you will see what im saying
07:26 chris kf: better now?
07:27 kf tance: I cant delete them from edit items screen, the links are missing
07:28 kf chris: yes, much better, thx!
07:28 kf tance: but I am not sure I should try out 'delete all items'
07:29 tance did you try in my site?
07:29 kf yes
07:29 kf I searched for a, opened the first book with edit items
07:29 tance is the option to delete all items
07:30 tance and then you can delete and the recordù
07:30 tance record
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07:32 tance any idea
07:32 tance ?????
07:32 kf delete item is a quite new feature
07:32 kf I can imagine it is a bug
07:32 ivanc hallo  #koha
07:32 kf delete all items
07:33 kf hi ivanc
07:33 ivanc guten morgen kf
07:34 tance Wie geht's!
07:34 kf gut ;)
07:36 ivanc gut
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07:39 tance how to fix this bug
07:39 tance does any body know??????
07:40 kf tance: which version of koha are you using?
07:41 tance koha 3.06
07:41 kf tance: you could hide the link with jquery until the bug is fixed - and to get it fixed you should file a bug report, naming the version of koha you are using and your settings
07:41 kf 3.2 is really near - but I am not sure how this works there
07:50 tance you mean version 3.00.02 or 3.2
07:55 kf I mean 3.2
07:56 kf you are using 3.00.06
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08:17 tance but 3.2 is not stable version
08:23 chris release candidate released today
08:23 chris its in use in numerous libraries in production already
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08:25 CGI818 hi ALL
08:26 CGI818 can I know why after I success installed koha. but i cannot search the book title from catalog after I add one record in cataloging
08:26 chris what version of koha?
08:26 CGI818 3.0.6
08:27 hdl zebra not launched ?
08:27 CGI818 how i can check it is launched or set it from ?
08:27 chris did you follow the instructions for setting up zebra?
08:28 CGI818 related to Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25?
08:29 chris no
08:29 chris what version of linux are you running ?
08:30 CGI818 ubuntu 10
08:30 chris in the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions its section 5
08:31 chris 10.10 ? or 10.04?
08:31 chris section 5 in  INSTALL.ubuntu too
08:33 CGI818 10.04
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09:03 CGI124 tq christ. i can search catolog now after i configure zebra and reboot
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09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM
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09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM
09:59 hdl CGI124: it is the search query and get results package
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10:58 larsw oh, wow, I'm mentioned in the RC announcement
10:59 * larsw suspects it is good for karma to make large numbers of very small commits :)
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11:04 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates <[…]66e9623af92b2ad62>
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11:32 chris_n @later tell chris hudson is hung up
11:32 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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11:39 hudsonbot Project Koha build (63): ABORTED in 8 hr 16 min:
11:39 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details
11:39 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency
11:39 hudsonbot Starting build 64 for job Koha (previous build: ABORTED -- last ABORTED #63 8 hr 17 min ago)
11:41 chris_n @later tell chris fixed hudson
11:41 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
11:47 hudsonbot Project Koha build (64): SUCCESS in 7 min 48 sec:
11:47 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates
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12:18 druthb hi, owen. :)
12:19 owen Hi druthb and #koha
12:20 gmcharlt good morning
12:21 jwagner morning all.  Looks like gmcharlt has been busy :-)
12:21 jwagner Is it in final stage yet?  i.e., ready to do a git pull?
12:22 gmcharlt yep
12:23 owen "Pending confirmation of successful installations and upgrades, this will become the general release of 3.2.0"
12:23 owen As someone once said
12:23 gmcharlt note that there's a new Perl dependency, Business::ISBN, that you'll need to install when you upgrade
12:23 gmcharlt owen: I wonder who that might have been
12:23 owen A wise man.
12:23 jwagner Yeah, I've already run into that one.  But given that hudson still seems to be churning away, I wasn't sure things were really done.
12:24 * owen doesn't think there is ever a done
12:24 * chris_n fixed hudson earlier
12:24 * gmcharlt should have written a test case for the test case ;)
12:24 chris_n he was hung on the template test deadlock issue
12:25 chris_n which is now fixed
12:25 * chris_n runs away screaming.... tests of tests.... aaaahhhhh!
12:26 * druthb sets up the "infinite recursion" warning flag.
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12:31 * gmcharlt writes a test case for infinite recursion
12:33 kf hi druthb and jwagner
12:33 jwagner Guten tag, kf
12:34 druthb hi, kf. :)
12:38 * owen finishes reading the log from last night and now has the Portal song in his head
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12:38 briceSanc hello
12:43 briceSanc My Koha is connected to the Koha Git community and since yesterday nothing works, however Git tells me that I am already up to date. Any idea of the problem?
12:43 briceSanc The main error is : Can't locate Business/ in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha/var/sites/ /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha/var/sites/master.ko​ line 27.
12:43 briceSanc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/var/sites/master.ko​ line 27.
12:43 owen briceSanc: Business/ is a new dependency
12:44 briceSanc ok what do i need to do ?
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12:45 magnus briceSanc: sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl
12:46 briceSanc it seems to work
12:46 briceSanc Koha ask me to update the database
12:46 briceSanc thanks owen and magnus !
12:48 jwagner gmcharlt, one minor puzzlement -- the version number after a git pull now says  Will that change to 3.2 at some point?
12:49 gmcharlt it will flip to (or, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release
12:49 jwagner OK, I wondered if that was the "flipping" point.  Thanks.
12:50 jwagner er, did you mean
12:51 gmcharlt ah, yes
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12:51 jwagner Been a long couple of days, huh :-)
12:53 briceSanc is there a changelog for this new version of Koha?
12:54 owen briceSanc: I don't think there is yet. Usually it comes with the official release
12:55 gmcharlt briceSanc: full release notes for 3.0->3.2 are still in process; as far as the beta->RC is concerned, changes have mostly been bugfixes
12:55 briceSanc ok because i search what is modified in the database
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13:26 owen sekjal: I think everyone's hung over
13:28 sekjal owen: fair enough, I suppose.  it's been a long time comin'.
13:28 sekjal well, time to work on 3.2.1
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13:28 jcamins Morning, 3koha
13:29 * owen is curious what kinds of bug-fix patches will make it into 3.2.1
13:29 sekjal owen: I've got a list I'm targeting
13:29 jcamins That was supposed to be #koha, by the way.
13:35 kf morning jcmains :)
13:36 kf I am working on the record samples - hope to have it ready tomorrow
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13:41 chris_n owen: any bug-fixes which make it into stable HEAD will be applied to 3.2.x
13:41 owen At what point does HEAD become 3.4.x ?
13:42 chris_n once 3.4 is released
13:42 chris_n we are shooting for keeping HEAD stable going forward
13:43 chris_n 3.2.x will not diverge from HEAD with the exception of new features
13:43 sekjal so 3.2.x will have new features that aren't in HEAD?
13:43 chris_n no
13:43 owen Oh now I'm really confused
13:44 chris_n 3.2.x will not have new features which may end up in HEAD
13:44 sekjal it seems to me that 3.2.x should be a proper subset (when looking at commits) of what's in HEAD
13:44 chris_n simply put, I will be cherry-picking bug-fixes from HEAD back into 3.2.x
13:45 chris_n correct
13:45 sekjal okay, good
13:45 chris_n only new features will not appear in 3.2.x
13:45 chris_n bug-fixes and things that are truly enhancements to existing features will appear in 3.2.x
13:45 sekjal and new features should all have their own branches, based of HEAD (or close to), right?
13:46 chris_n yup
13:46 sekjal why not add new features to 3.2.x, if they're ready in master?
13:46 chris_n new features should only make it into HEAD *after* they are stable
13:47 ebegin Hey!  Why do we need to call zebraqueue deamon when the ModZebra function is called when a bib is modified?
13:47 chris_n sekjal: so we don't compete with 3.4 as well as the administrative burden of major changes often introduced by new features
13:48 sekjal chris_n:  ah... I think I get it
13:48 sekjal it would be best not to have to retrain librarians when the upgrade from 3.2.0 to 3.2.1
13:48 ebegin sekjal, and new features as high probability to add new bugs
13:49 ebegin s/as/have/
13:49 sekjal but upgrading 3.2.2 to 3.4, it makes sense to do more training
13:50 sekjal ebegin: but we're all going to write flawless code this time around, right?
13:50 * gmcharlt *snorts*
13:50 owen sekjal: What did you mean by a list you were "targeting"
13:51 sekjal owen: I've got several bugs on my to-tackle list that I'm hoping to have ready before 3.2.1 would be ready for release
13:51 owen gmcharlt: Aren't we agile enough?
13:51 sekjal bug 4945, for one
13:51 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
13:51 ebegin yep, that why new features shouldn't be introduced in the beta/RC stage
13:51 sekjal bug 5266 is another
13:51 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results
13:51 chris_n perfect code!
13:52 ebegin We wish... Even the NASA, who spends thousands of $ in multistages of code review/approval, has bugs
13:52 owen That's the reason LEK has never been made public. The code is so perfect we'd go blind from gazing upon it.
13:53 ebegin A computer does what you tell it to do, not what you thing you tell it to do ;)
13:53 ebegin s/thing/think/
13:54 sekjal owen: LEK is what's in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction
13:54 owen :D
13:54 ebegin about my question... why do we need to call rebuild_zebra every once a while again?
13:55 owen Which, incidentally, is how certain people can have been involved in open source ilses for "15 years"
13:56 sekjal Mercurian years?
13:56 gmcharlt ebegin: ModZebra just adds an entry to zebraqueue signalling that the record needs to be reindexed
13:56 gmcharlt it's -z that actually does the indexing
13:56 ebegin gmcharlt, was it always like that?
13:57 gmcharlt yes - there has never been instantaneous direct updates of the zebra index
13:57 sekjal ... actually, Mercurian years would be about right, I think....
13:57 gmcharlt are you thinking of NoZebra mode, perchance?
13:58 ebegin nope.  in zebra mode...
13:59 ebegin I was using zebraqueue deamon for a while.  I stopped it and when I save a record, the changes are indexed right away
13:59 ebegin what king of amazed me...
13:59 ebegin what kind of amazed me...
14:00 jwagner owen, as I stated yesterday and has been stated previously, the LEK code release is controlled by the terms of a contract we inherited.  When the terms of that contract are fulfilled, the code will be released.  I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to believe that simple statement of fact.
14:00 jwagner It's not something we can change.
14:01 owen jwagner: I'm just riffing on the statements made by Liblime's previous head, who condemned the entire open source Koha project as incompetent compared to Liblime's fabulous code
14:02 ebegin gmcharlt, but you are right, the ModZebra code just updates the zebraqueue table... what else coud force the update then...?!?
14:02 jwagner "Liblime's previous head" -- was not apparent from your comments.  Thus, anyone who reads it would assume you were referring to us.  This disturbs me.
14:03 jwagner As has also been said on multiple occasions, PTFS had no control over any of Liblime's actions before the purchase.  Many of those actions were specifically hostile to us, in fact.  We are now trying to repair the damage as well as supporting our current clients.
14:08 owen jwagner: Promises were made to me by Joshua Ferraro. Promises which are still unfulfilled. PTFS "bought" those promises along with Liblime.
14:08 owen One of those promises was: LEK will be released "soon" to the public
14:11 jwagner see statement above about contract status -- the client has to accept everything done under that contract before any of it can be released.  We'd like very much to release what's already done, but we are not legally permitted to.
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14:18 * druthb would love to settle all this business with a couple of "git push"es...but resuming homelessness and unemployment are not in her career goals.
14:21 owen druthb: I hope for PTFS developers' sake that someone is keeping a LEK repo synced with HEAD
14:21 owen But "Harley" suggests that this is not the case
14:22 druthb LEK is quite a bit farther behind.  An artifact that we inherited in an already-bad state, and getting progressively worse.  It's an issue I raise very regularly--for both repos--in our dev meetings.
14:23 owen I'm glad you're keeping the issue on the table
14:24 druthb getting either one up to a 3.2 base is going to be a non-trivially-hard bit of work, that will take our seriously-underpowered dev team a good bit of effort to do.  I keep saying so...
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14:35 SJeffery Alright, where is that page that lists all of the Koha demo sites?
14:35 owen[…]ha_Demo_Databases
14:37 owen Does Liblime even support "Koha Community" anymore?
14:37 SJeffery In what sense?
14:37 owen It's not important SJeffery, just musing.
14:38 SJeffery It is important:)
14:39 owen At one time Liblime offered its customers an out-of-date version of the official Koha release, calling it "Koha Community"
14:39 owen an alternative to their Koha forks.
14:40 owen I know some Liblime customers are now on "Harley", so I assumed that "Koha Community" was being phased out
14:40 SJeffery Ah. I will find out in the very near future, we are supposed to start using them in the very near future and will need to talk to them about available versions.
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14:52 owen Hi nengard
14:53 nengard howdy all
14:53 druthb hi, nengard
14:53 nengard just got back from PT and am happy to get to just sit here and not move my legs!! :)
14:57 SJeffery I know that feeling.
14:58 nengard i'd rather be napping ... but hey i'll take sitting :) hehe
14:59 SJeffery I'd rather be napping, but I am at work, grr.
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15:09 cyrixbmx I have a question.  I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english.  Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file?  Excuse me f
15:09 cyrixbmx or my poor english.
15:10 briceSanc[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281
15:10 munin Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time
15:10 briceSanc the fix for bug 5281 is out !
15:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time
15:11 jcamins SJeffery: interesting message in response to your message on AUTOCAT.
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15:13 jcamins I am still inclined to use a 773/774 combination, with kf's awesome linking enhancements, though. If you treat analytics as a series, you have a problem with item records (assuming you want item records, of course).
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15:15 mib_0obl6 Hello all - I get the error below when I enable XSLDetailDisplay and XSLResultsDisplay, they problem I think is the "koha-tmpl" path, any ideas?
15:16 mib_0obl6 Could not create file parser context for file "../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/x​slt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl": No such file or directory at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 16
15:16 owen What version mib_0obl6 ?
15:17 mib_0obl6 3.06
15:18 wizzyrea o yes, this seems familiar to me
15:18 mib_0obl6 me too - :-)
15:18 wizzyrea does the file exist?
15:20 wizzyrea if it doesn't, you might be able to put in the version from git, I recall having this problem a few months ago myself
15:20 mib_0obl6 nope, not in koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt but just ../opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt
15:20 mib_0obl6 but can find where or why its looking to that path
15:21 wizzyrea what is the directory above opac-tmpl
15:21 wizzyrea in your install
15:22 mib_0obl6 htdocs
15:23 mib_0obl6 which I think is the norm....isn't it?
15:23 wizzyrea hm. Did you do the dev install or standard install?
15:23 mib_0obl6 was an upgrade thought, from 3.05, which is concerning me a little
15:24 mib_0obl6 so the original install was standard
15:24 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, still working through it. I am creating a record in OCLC for a proceedings (the 4th in this series) right now, then will do an analytic of one of the articles as an example. I have everything done but the series stuff right now. Btw, do you have any examples of how Koha displays an enhanced 505? Trying to figure out if it is worth doing enhance
15:24 wizzyrea hm shouldn't matter (shouldn't)
15:24 jcamins SJeffery: at the moment Koha doesn't really do enhanced 505s.
15:25 SJeffery *sigh* Adds that to the list
15:25 SJeffery Does it at least display them?
15:25 jcamins I'm not sure.
15:25 jcamins Let me check.
15:25 * chris_n moves over Release Team pages from the old wiki:[…]i/Community_Roles
15:25 SJeffery Having a hell of a time with all the demo sites out there for some reason, might just be our proxy though.
15:26 chris_n I've also begun moving over the current release team proposals; they are linked to in the aforementioned page
15:26 mib_0obl6 wizzyrea: do you know where the parser gets the path from?
15:26 jcamins SJeffery: it shows $t only.
15:26 jcamins However, that would be a really easy fix.
15:27 jcamins Actually, complete support for enhanced 505s would be very easy.
15:27 wizzyrea I don't,  actually. a temporary way around it is to turn off xslt for the OPAC
15:27 wizzyrea not as purty, but at least functional
15:27 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, not sure why it isn't already in there. Just a formatted display would be easy enough.
15:27 mib_0obl6 I know, but I need the XSLT on to get the display the way I want
15:28 jcamins SJeffery: I suspect because so few libraries enhance their 505s.
15:28 jcamins mib_0obl6: let me check something. Hold on.
15:28 mib_0obl6 sure
15:30 SJeffery jcamins: I don't get that...I mean, if you are spending the time to put in a 505 it should be only add a little bit more time to do it enhanced (compared to the overall record creation time), and it isn't like more than .1% of books would ever need it.
15:30 jcamins intrahtdocs
15:30 owen OPAC XSLT is working for me in my 3.0.x test install
15:30 LBA Just popped in and saw the happy news!  Congrats to all!
15:30 owen It's ahead of 3.0.6, but I'm not sure what's different
15:30 jcamins mib_0obl6: that was in answer to your question.
15:31 owen Thanks LBA!
15:31 jcamins mib_0obl6: actually, make that opachtdocs
15:32 mib_0obl6 opachtdocs ?
15:32 jcamins SJeffery: if you don't collect conference proceedings, you don't need any fields other than $t.
15:32 jcamins It looks like that's the syspref... not that I can figure out how to edit it.
15:33 SJeffery Jcamins: It is like finding out the easter bunny is not real....that "professional catalogers" take shortcuts and make mistakes in records like the rest of us.
15:34 jcamins SJeffery: heh. I suppose a bit.
15:34 gmcharlt SJeffery: yep, alas, the typo-free cataloging gods no longer live among us
15:35 jcamins Did they ever?
15:35 mib_0obl6 I think I might be onto something. The syspref.sql that is run from the installer has that path above (koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xs​lt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl)
15:35 mib_0obl6 at least I can see where it came from now
15:36 jcamins Anyway, my wife's here to join me for lunch (she's been staying with my parents all week, so I haven't seen her since Sunday), so I will rejoin this conversation a bit later.
15:36 SJeffery Cya
15:37 mib_0obl6 slán
15:42 kf bye all
15:42 chris_n sekjal: for an outline of my plans for 3.2.x maintenance, see[…]elease_Maintainer
15:43 kf chris_n: why do you have to post that now? I can't leave if interesting things happen :)
15:43 gmcharlt chris_n++
15:43 chris_n kf: I only moved it over from the old wiki
15:44 chris_n many good things are still over there which need to be moved
15:44 sekjal thanks, chris_n!
15:44 kf I am not sure I ge the time frame
15:45 kf From 3.2.stable to 3.4.stable  Release once every 30 days or as bug fixes are available whichever is longer.
15:45 kf so 3.2.x are released every 30 days?
15:45 chris_n correct
15:45 kf From 3.4.stable to X.X.stable ?
15:45 chris_n assuming there are bug-fixes in that timeframe
15:45 kf yep
15:46 LBA Picking up on someone else's question about whether PTFS/Liblime supports ANY clients on official Koha...I've asked John Yokley AND Northwest Arkanasa Community College whether they were actually on official Koha or Harley or LEK but have not gotten a clear answer.  Marshall Breeding report states "...Liblime is the provider for their neew ILS of choice, Koha."  I asked Marshall...he doesn't know either.
15:46 kf what about the second line?
15:46 chris_n X is unknown
15:46 chris_n "to be decided"
15:46 kf ?
15:47 chris_n will it be 3.6 or 3.8... we will make that decision at a later point in time
15:47 jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg
15:47 chris_n basically it will be determined by how long we decide that 3.2.x should be maintained
15:47 kf so you aim for a 90 days cycle between major releases?
15:47 chris_n correct
15:47 kf ah
15:47 kf thx :)
15:47 chris_n at some point we will end-of-life 3.2.x
15:48 owen LBA: That's one of the problems with Marshall Breeding's announcements, he doesn't ask questions about actual versions in use
15:48 owen If PTFS says "Koha," he reports Koha.
15:48 cyrixbmx I have a question.  I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english.  Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file?  Excuse me f
15:48 cyrixbmx or my poor english.
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15:48 kf ok. leaving now :) bye al!
15:48 kf left #koha
15:49 LBA If it says "Koha" it had better not be LEK or Harley...just sayin'
15:49 owen LBA: I'd be surprised if any of the "Koha" migrations PTFS has announced are real Koha installations
15:51 wizzyrea afaik LEK is only in use by current customers, new folks are using PTFS Master (but I don't work there, I don't really know)
15:52 owen And "PTFS Master" is built on Harley?
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15:55 wizzyrea that would be my experience, yes.
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16:09 brendan morning all
16:09 rhcl_away hi brendan
16:09 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
16:12 nengard keep forgetting the -s in my sign off patches
16:12 nengard so they're not really signed off on
16:12 nengard sorry for the duplicate emails all
16:14 mib_0obl6 Hi, again.....I have managed to find my problem with the XSLTDisplay and Results page. The systempreference table has a path to the XSL file which was incorrect, however, I can't seem to figure out what path it should be
16:14 mib_0obl6 pointing to....any ideas?
16:18 mag_away is now known as magnus
16:22 mib_0obl6 Ah - never mind, fixed it without using relative paths, for some reason it didn't like them, so used absolute paths instead....working now!
16:30 SJeffery Jcamins: Back yet? Have an interesting cataloging question :)
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16:34 cait hi #koha
16:35 * druthb hides behind cait.
16:35 cait hey :)
16:35 SJeffery mornin
16:35 cait *turns around so she is hiding behind druthb*
16:35 cait SJeffery not morning in my case - dinner time :)
16:36 owen Not morning, not dinner time, lunch time!
16:36 cait :)
16:37 magnus guten abend, cait & #koha
16:38 wizzyrea nengard: limesurvey is neat
16:38 nengard I KNOW!!!
16:38 nengard :) hehe
16:39 nengard I love it, it was one of the best open source finds in my book
16:39 cait hi magnus :)
16:41 fredericd gmcharlt: warning, 3.2 RC has indicating a version
16:42 fredericd
16:42 owen gmcharlt said earlier, "it will flip to (or, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release"
16:43 fredericd thks owen
16:44 * magnus hopes nengard's book arrives before the trip to kohacon ;-)
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16:51 nengard magnus - nengard hopes her book arrives before the trip as well :(
16:51 nengard yes that's right - the author still hasn't seen the book!!!
16:51 magnus ouch!
16:51 nengard i haven't seen it in print that is - of course I've editing it electronically
16:52 SJeffery What book?
16:52 nengard
16:52 nengard Practical Open Source Software for Libraries
16:52 magnus heh, you could have had a ghost writer, i guess ;-)
16:53 nengard not me - i'm too much of a control freak :)
16:54 jcamins SJeffery: now I'm back.
16:55 SJeffery Jcamins: Hey, just trying to figure out cataloging of the proceedings itself as a monograph. So if the conferece is the 111, should the exact same name be duplicated in the 490, 611, AND 811?
16:55 jcamins I would do the following:
16:56 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811.
16:59 jcamins Sorry, got called away for a moment.
17:00 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811. 490 would be the commonly-used name (for example "Coinage of the Americas Conference ; v. 10."
17:00 jcamins I probably would not put the conference in 611.
17:04 SJeffery The conference name is one of those two-parters with an acronym (MININ 2010 International Conference on Mining Innovation). Everything else I was putting under "International Conference on Mining Innovation" but put "MININ" for the 490?
17:05 jcamins That's what I'd probably do.
17:05 jcamins But with numismatics, people are more likely to *recognize* the abbreviation than the actual name.
17:08 SJeffery About 50/50 from what I have seen in mining
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17:09 jcamins You could also use "International Conference on Mining Innovation" for the 490, of course.
17:13 chris morning
17:13 chris chris_n: thanks for the hudson fix
17:16 cait morning chris
17:19 SJeffery So I am thinking 111, 490, and 811 for the monograph record, then the same 490 and 811 + 773 for the in analytic records. That should display something almost sensible.
17:20 jcamins Yes.
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17:24 jcamins SJeffery: make sure you use unique ID numbers of some sort (accession numbers are good).
17:24 reva Hi all, I just added a new shelving location in my Koha. Is there a two-step process to do that? : select the records to move and move them all in one go to the newly created shelving location? Thanks
17:25 jcamins At least per-volume, so you can link the 773 directly.
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17:26 SJeffery Yeah, that is the plan. They will link in 773 to the OCLC number so should all be good (part of the reason I am creating the proceedings volume record first).
17:26 magnus morning chris
17:27 drb_food is now known as druthb
17:27 chris 12 days now magnus ?
17:27 SJeffery Heh, I left the huge 505 field in title case from the copying and pasting. Rather than spend 30 minutes changing it I think I will call it good enough:D
17:27 nengard 13 days here!
17:28 magnus lemme see, 7 workdays, 4 weekenddays = 11 days!
17:28 reva Anyone, is there a global way to move selected records to the newly created shelving location?
17:29 owen reva: Batch modification, under Tools
17:29 jcamins SJeffery: if you're familiar with ViM, it's really easy to change case in vi. ~ ;)
17:29 SJeffery Sadly, I am not.
17:29 cait 12 days :)
17:29 jcamins Of course, if you don't know vi, that's not a helpful suggestion.
17:29 * jcamins is very jealous of everyone who is going to NZ.
17:30 * owen too
17:30 magnus cait: you leave on tuesday too? i didn't count today...
17:31 cait flying on 19th
17:31 magnus cait: yup me too
17:31 cait ok, so it is 11 :)
17:31 chris means you get here on the 21st eh?
17:31 cait panic!
17:31 magnus chris: yeah!
17:31 cait chris: yes
17:32 cait will force magnus to have dinner with me (although he doesn't know yet... ;) )
17:32 chris hehe
17:32 chris your hotel is in auckland city?
17:32 magnus will probably not be very hard to force...
17:32 cait magnus: perhaps you will want to sleep
17:32 reva Also, is there a way to order the z39.50 targets by the name? (It right now sorts by the addresses entered under Host Name).
17:32 magnus cait: who knows? ;-)
17:33 chris reva you can order them by rank
17:33 magnus chris: i guess we are staying at the hotel jo set up for the starting point of the road trip
17:33 chris ah righto
17:33 cait I still need to print out maps, timetables and such..
17:33 chris my advice is try not to sleep until its actually sleep time if you can
17:33 magnus don't remember the name, better figure that out before we leave... ;-)
17:33 chris hehe yes
17:34 nengard we got a flight into Wellington - no stop in aukland so we're skipping the road trip
17:34 magnus someone said not to sleep the night before leaving too?
17:34 nengard what???
17:34 nengard I'm sleeping the night before
17:34 chris oh, i dont do that
17:34 chris yeah
17:34 nengard and i'm sleeping between the flight to CA and the one to NZ
17:34 chris you dont wanna miss your flight cos you fall asleep hehe
17:35 chris but trying to get onto nz time as soon as you can
17:35 chris helps
17:35 jcamins magnus: I thought it was the other direction that you're supposed to stay up the night beore?
17:35 jcamins *before
17:35 * cait is getting confused now
17:35 imp :D
17:35 * magnus me too
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17:35 cait thx imp
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17:36 * cait pokes imp
17:36 imp cait: you'll have nearly 2x 12h to sleep while flying
17:36 * nengard says to sleep when you need to sleep :)
17:36 reva Ok cait, got it. How about my question for moving a batch of records to a newly created location?
17:36 * jcamins agrees with nengard
17:36 cait ?
17:36 magnus so then it's get up at 0500 on the 19th and try not to sleep until the evening of the 21st... yeah, right ;-)
17:36 nengard i'm sitting mr nengard next to sekjal on the plane so that the boys can talk while i sleep :)
17:37 reva sorry, i read it as cait, Thanks chris.
17:37 jcamins magnus: no, I don't think that's right.
17:37 magnus jcamins: no don't sound quite right... ;-)
17:37 druthb nengard: as long as you don't snore or do something amusing looking while you sleep, that's a good plan.  if you do, they'll be talking *about you* for all those hours..
17:38 druthb not to make you paranoid or anything...
17:38 chris what i do, and this works for me, so take it or leave it
17:38 nengard druthb they can talk about whatever they want as long as i get to sleep :) hehe
17:38 chris is set my watch to destination time as soon as im on the plane
17:38 cait druthb: but will you ever see those people again? probably not, so they can talk all tehy want
17:38 nengard cait, my hubby and sekjal - i'll see them a lot :)
17:39 druthb her husband and teammate?
17:39 chris and try to match with that
17:39 jcamins I'm looking it up, but isn't 0500 in Europe late afternoon in NZ?
17:39 nengard chris that makes sense
17:39 cait perhaps there is one advantage of flying alone
17:39 chris and i wouldnt do it until i left LA
17:39 chris if i was coming from europe
17:39 magnus cait: ,-)
17:39 nengard i think i might go sitr crazy if i have to fly 20 hours alone ...
17:40 magnus chris: yeah, i think that sounds like good advice
17:40 cait 19:48 here now
17:40 cait nengard: hmpf!
17:40 jcamins Yes, 0500 in Copenhagen is 1600 in Auckland.
17:40 cait don't make me stay here last minute
17:40 nengard LOL- cait you'll be fine!!!
17:40 hdl good time of day.
17:40 druthb wait...nengard, you mean you're not *already* stir-crazy?
17:40 hdl see you
17:41 cait I will get crazy and magnus will be the first person having to deal with it ;)
17:41 magnus oh no
17:41 chris hdl: cya later
17:41 nengard druthb - this is true - but imagine all my energy stuck on a plane???
17:41 druthb lucky magnus!
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17:41 druthb nengard:  the same cure as works for small children would do nicely; you're not very big, after all.
17:42 magnus i arrive early on the 21st, and cait arrives much later, i think, so i will have some time to find good places in auckland to hide...
17:42 chris magnus: if you find out the hotel name, i can tell you if you can take the cheap bus into town to get to it :)
17:43 nengard druthb - what's that?  i dose myself with dramamine and it knocks me out - but not for that long a flight
17:43 druthb Duct tape, nengard.  It's the ultimate cure-all.
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17:43 * cait pouts
17:44 druthb magnus is lucky, cait, because he gets to see you at all.  I, unfortunately, do not.
17:44 jcamins druthb: heh.
17:44 magnus druthb: hee hee
17:44 nengard druthb that's just mean!! - for me - not for the kids - go ahead and duck tape the kids!!
17:45 chris kids are never the problem on the plane
17:45 * druthb chuckles evilly.
17:45 chris rude adults are ten times worse
17:45 magnus chris: says Mercure here: but i wonder if that was changed...
17:45 chris arm rest hoggers!!!
17:45 cait druthb: kohacon in washington next year? ;)
17:45 chris i hate thm
17:46 nengard i have like 4 conferences in washington a year
17:46 cait magnus: thre was a blog comment from jo
17:46 druthb I'd be all over that, cait.  local tour guide girl, me!
17:46 jcamins I've only been to DC a half dozen times.
17:47 chris magnus:
17:47 druthb nengard:  s/conferences in washington/chances to get picked on by druthb/
17:47 * magnus has never been to the US at all...
17:47 jwag_mtg is now known as jwagner
17:47 nengard magnus you so have to come to a US Kohacon then!!!
17:47 jcamins Not counting the two times I sat on a train in DC while they changed engines.
17:47 nengard druthb --- tempting
17:47 jwagner Come on over!  I have a spare bed or two...
17:47 wizzyrea I don't think any of you are on the plane with us... lucky for you probably ;)
17:47 chris magnus: reason 2 is great
17:47 chris wizzyrea: you are an arm rest hogger?
17:48 wizzyrea lol no, I have a 2 year old ;)
17:48 nengard wizzyrea your spud is adorable - that's a kid I don't mind being stuck on a plane with
17:48 nengard :)
17:48 wizzyrea and I'd rather not duct tape him
17:48 wizzyrea now, dramamine... we might have something there.
17:48 wizzyrea ;)
17:49 chris magnus: the airbus will save you about 40$
17:49 druthb oh, sure, she won't use The Force on her child, but she will use drugs.
17:49 cait chris: I think it's
17:49 chris ah ha
17:49 magnus chris: tripit says "Best Western President Hotel Lodging"
17:50 wizzyrea Oh, I use the force on him all the time: "your eyes are getting heavy, you are drifting off to dreamland..." repeat x100
17:50 chris cool looking up the timetables now
17:51 jcamins wizzyrea: does it work?
17:51 druthb hee hee...that's the weak forces of the universe...The Force is duct tape:  it has a light side, and a dark side, and it binds the galaxy together.
17:52 magnus the force is duct tape and the duct tape is Perl, right?
17:52 chris yeah you can do it by bus :)
17:53 magnus chris: cool
17:54 chris
17:56 cait cool
17:56 chris will cost $16nz
17:56 chris taxi would be more like $60nz
17:56 chris at least
17:57 magnus chris: wow, thanks, that is so cool!
17:57 imp no pickup service from the hotel?
17:57 chris some of the 5stars do that
17:57 chris however you are definitely paying for it, in you 8 million a night room
17:58 imp :D
17:58 chris magnus: i always just ask the driver to tell me when its my stop
17:58 imp hm, pickup service was from the rent-a-car-thingy *remembers*
17:59 chris and sit up near them, they are pretty friendly
18:00 magnus chris: sounds doable
18:00 chris more money for sightseeing that way :)
18:01 chris or buying caits dinner :-)
18:02 magnus but that's what the expense account is for, you know...
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18:04 chris business dinner huh :)
18:04 chris hey nate
18:04 cait ;)
18:04 cait hi Nate
18:05 chris whats crackalacking ?
18:05 Nate hi everyone demonstrating the
18:05 Nate irc
18:05 * chris has no idea what that actually means, but it sounds good
18:05 Nate koha chat at the ILA conference
18:05 wizzyrea jcamins: sometimes :)
18:05 chris ahh cool
18:05 sekjal hello Idaho librarians!
18:05 chris hello from new zealand
18:05 wizzyrea hi from kansas, idahoans!
18:06 owen Hi from Ohio!
18:06 Nate everyone says
18:06 nengard hi from PA
18:06 Nate hi
18:06 cait hi from Germany :)
18:06 wizzyrea hm, today we are somewhat lacking in super vexing issues we are trying to solve :)
18:07 jcamins Shall we discuss series tracings?
18:07 nengard all too busy thinking about our NZ trips
18:07 owen the person who isn't going to NZ noticed :P
18:07 * wizzyrea shudders.
18:07 chris hehe
18:07 wizzyrea can we not and say we did?
18:07 sekjal working on a new development, but keeping my eyes in #koha
18:07 jcamins I thought that would inspire recollection of other issues. ;)
18:07 chris jcamins: can i make you think about it, so i dont have to?
18:07 wizzyrea I'm getting ready to do a clean standard install of koha from the tarball
18:07 SJeffery Oh yes, lets discuss series tracings:D
18:07 chris yay
18:08 chris i did one yesterday that worked smooth
18:08 jcamins chris: I'll do it out loud in #koha though. :P
18:08 SJeffery Lets wait until I get home and can consume a certain refreshment though:D
18:08 LBA Hi Nate, IRC is awhirl with 3.2 excitement
18:08 cait my solution is here:
18:08 SJeffery I still don't even understand sreies tracings:D
18:08 cait[…]ree/bug_4506_xslt
18:08 chris oh look caits already fixed it
18:08 cait comments welcome ;)
18:09 jcamins SJeffery: probably wise.
18:09 cait I will have sample records ready by tomorrow
18:09 brendan Hi Nate - from California
18:09 chris cait: you should put your repo on the list on the koha wiki (unless you have already)
18:10 cait no, I haven't
18:10 cait but I would have to edit a mediawiki site to do that...
18:10 chris ill do it for you then :)
18:11 chris but now i have to go have breakfast before work
18:11 chris bbiab
18:11 cait *sighs* now I feel guilty enough to add it myself
18:12 magnus cait: it's fun!
18:13 cait I am a dokuwiki person
18:13 magnus cool, i'm definitely a mediawiki person ;-)
18:14 magnus just copy one of the others...
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18:16 magnus cait: well done!
18:16 cait hmpf!
18:16 wizzyrea lol you two crack me up
18:17 cait ;)
18:19 magnus oh no, wizzyrea is craking up, get the duct tape!
18:19 cait lol
18:20 wizzyrea super glue might work better
18:20 cait never ever give me super glue
18:20 magnus ?
18:21 cait clumsy
18:21 cait will glue myself to things
18:21 cait :)
18:21 cait duct tape is much more secure
18:23 wizzyrea ...what are you trying to fix exactly!!
18:23 chris_n can anyone confirm that the JS on is screwed up?
18:23 chris_n in the latest HEAD that is
18:23 owen What are you seeing chris_n?
18:23 chris_n cait++ # duct tape :)
18:24 chris_n owen: no tabs, z3950 button does not work, etc
18:24 chris_n hmm...
18:24 chris_n catch w/o any try
18:24 chris_n js error
18:24 * owen isn't seeing any problem
18:24 owen What triggers the problem?
18:24 chris_n line 1886
18:25 chris_n just loading the page here
18:25 * owen is sorry he didn't take Spanish now
18:25 chris_n heh
18:25 jcamins Likewise.
18:27 wizzyrea ooOOoo
18:28 wizzyrea popped into the limesurvey channel to thank them for their work (limesurvey is cool, y'all) and they have a NIFTY bot
18:28 wizzyrea Check this out:
18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p] c_schmitz:
18:28 wizzyrea update?
18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p]
18:28 wizzyrea limebot
18:28 wizzyrea :
18:28 wizzyrea Instructions for upgrading your installation can be found at[…]+previous+version
18:28 wizzyrea it's automatic!
18:29 wizzyrea if we had a bot that returned the faq for searching everytime someone typed "have you looked at the search faq?" that would roxxor my soxxors.
18:30 jcamins That would be pretty nice.
18:33 chris_n well, it works fine on my dev install, but is busted on the production box
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18:37 chris_n ahh... syntax... my patch for bug 4867 adds an extra bracket
18:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4867 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness
18:37 chris happily enough, our resident spanish speaker, is the Koha team project manager and she is also an alfresco whiz
18:37 chris definitely will respond to that
18:37 owen Wow, meant to be
18:38 * chris_n sees that owen caught it and fixed it in the signed-off version which made it into head
18:38 chris_n owen++
18:38 chris :)
18:39 * owen loves having done good stuff he no longer remembers doing
18:39 nengard wizzyrea that is pretty cool!
18:39 chris coopetition++
18:39 wizzyrea nengard: i just told the limesurvey people about your book
18:39 wizzyrea :P
18:40 chris and chris_n and owen for demonstarting exactly the way sign offs should work
18:40 nengard aww shucks :) thanks
18:40 wizzyrea I figured they'd be interested to know that their tool had been featured in an actual published work
18:40 wizzyrea :)
18:41 chris by getting fix and signed off, it makes it into master .. otherwise it gets sent back to be fixed and resubmited, saved a bunch of time/work
18:41 chris owen++
18:41 chris chris_n++
18:41 chris also wizzyrea and nicole for the patch they did, it didnt need to bother the rm, until it was tested to apply clean
18:42 wizzyrea \o/
18:45 chris bus time, back from the bus shortly
18:46 chris oh, and btw alfresco is cool
18:46 chris check it out
18:46 * chris wanders off
18:47 * owen had never heard of it before
18:48 magnus ooh, enterprise...
18:50 wizzyrea interesting that they have an enterprise and community version >.>
18:51 jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg
18:52 chris iirc its all around support levels
18:52 chris Like redhat
18:52 chris It does do good records management, and document management
18:53 chris Has lucence in the back
18:53 chris And has a ton of interfaces including cifs
18:53 chris So you can mount a store as a shared drive etc
18:54 chris It also can pretend to be sharepoint
18:56 chris But the bit I like best for my use
18:57 chris_n actually it was a bad tidy patch
18:57 chris Is it provides version control for docs in a nice interface and means working on rfp responses etc is a lot easier
18:57 wizzyrea ^^ that is hand
18:57 wizzyrea y
18:57 * chris_n must remember that you should not tidy tmpl files
18:58 chris And also the search .. I know I answered that in some rfp .. search found it
18:59 chris by making that easier for the ba's and pm's means less writing for me :)
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19:00 chris Oh hey
19:00 cait chris: ba?
19:00 chris Business analyst
19:00 cait thx
19:01 chris think of them as a translator
19:01 chris To help make a spec both devs and client understand
19:02 chris That's what good ones do anyway
19:02 chris Bad ones just make more confusion :)
19:02 * LBA stepping away.  Keep up the good work, all!
19:03 cait :)
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19:09 wizzyrea chris_n, you rewrote the debian install instructions?
19:10 wizzyrea < is following them to the letter, we need to remember to add sudo apt-get update as one of the steps
19:11 wizzyrea at... 1.3
19:11 * wizzyrea will do it, if you like
19:11 Drl-Ulm Hello
19:11 wizzyrea heya
19:12 wizzyrea I am totally loving this new package installer thingie. WOWIE.
19:12 Drl-Ulm Really? I need to check that out.
19:13 wizzyrea mostly for new installs, but it's a lot easier than it used to be.
19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: that'd be great
19:13 wizzyrea (but, granted, it's been a while since I've done a completely cold install on a brand new server)
19:14 * magnus wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day of their choice
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19:14 * wizzyrea is reminded of the movie ratatouille... "eet ees our job to 'follow zee recipee!'"
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19:18 wizzyrea hmm. I am pondering adding "tweet this" to koha-community. Passé?
19:18 jcamins nengard is a big fan of Tweet this.
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19:21 CGI849 Hola
19:22 CGI849 Quisiera hacer una consulta sobre koha 3.0 y Nozebra
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19:22 SJeffery jcamins: OCLC 669060876 :D
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19:23 CGI849 Hi, all
19:24 CGI849 Some speak spanish?
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19:27 jcamins SJeffery: very nice.
19:27 jcamins What's it look like in Koha?
19:27 cait good night all :)
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19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you have OCLC
19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you are able to spend the time to create records that nice
19:29 chris back
19:29 SJeffery jcamins: No clue, I don't have Koha yet (waiting on our accounting group).
19:29 SJeffery That one took me about six hours...have not done MARC cataloging in a year.
19:29 SJeffery I have no idea why the series link doesn't show in Worldcat though
19:30 SJeffery 811 that is
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19:33 richard hi
19:33 * chris_n greets richard
19:33 richard hiya chris_n
19:34 chris hiya richard
19:34 richard and chris :)
19:34 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:34 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 27.0�C (3:18 PM EDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
19:34 chris_n wonderful day
19:35 wizzyrea chris_n: is there some reason we took out the part about *how* you need to edit ParserDetails.ini?
19:35 * wizzyrea knows that the right entry goes at the bottom, but not everyone would get that
19:36 * owen thunders, Ye who cannot edit ParserDetail.ini shall not enter!
19:36 * wizzyrea cowers in fear of owen
19:36 * chris_n does not remember removing anything
19:36 wizzyrea hrm. I swear I added that earlier this year.
19:36 chris_n does git blame it on me :)
19:36 wizzyrea lol, good question
19:37 chris_n josh wrote the debian stuff
19:37 * chris_n only updated the urls
19:37 wizzyrea maybe my fix never got in!
19:37 wizzyrea because I don't see it in there either
19:37 chris_n[…]b6672834c;hb=HEAD
19:37 jcamins I think it was missing all along.
19:38 * chris_n does not see liz in the list
19:38 * sekjal is coding up a barcode namespaces enhancement, and has met with success for patron barcodes.  on to items...
19:38 chris_n cool
19:38 chris wizzyrea: if you can find it, resend it
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19:38 * chris_n hands sekjal an icecream cone
19:38 jcamins Oh no! A kitten died?!?
19:39 gmcharlt never made the trip, as far as I can see
19:39 wizzyrea I will see if I still have it
19:39 sekjal mmmm, ice cream
19:39 chris_n seems some kittens die of lack of attention
19:40 jcamins Will saying "I believe in kittens" bring them back to life?
19:41 wizzyrea aha!
19:41 wizzyrea feb 10 2010
19:41 wizzyrea I sent it
19:41 * jcamins pictures zombie kittens roaming about mewing "brains, brains"
19:42 wizzyrea buuut from that far back, will it apply?
19:42 wizzyrea if I send it again?
19:42 wizzyrea granted that was right before the great list migration
19:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sec
19:42 wizzyrea there were about 4 of them
19:43 wizzyrea that addressed this exact issue, I admit that I never went back and checked that they made it in
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19:43 * wizzyrea hangs her head in shame
19:43 gmcharlt still not finding it
19:44 wizzyrea ok, I will send it again
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19:44 * chris_n pats wizzyrea on the shoulder and tells her it's ok
19:44 chris it might have gone to and not made it .. it did happen
19:44 chris not often, but sometimes the spam thing caught them
19:45 jcamins Time to close up.
19:45 jcamins Good night, #koha
19:45 chris cya jcamins
19:46 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
19:46 wizzyrea haha, and I added the bit about the apt sources in feb too.
19:46 * wizzyrea facepalms.
19:46 SJeffery argh, second building evac for a fire alarm this week...why does it only happen when I am on the phone with a vendor?
19:46 wizzyrea ... depends on the vendor, maybe the universe is telling you something
19:47 SJeffery Vendor this time was OCLC, so probably that I am going to burn in hell.
19:47 jcamins_a Sounds about right. (and now I'm really going)
19:47 * chris_n takes his headache and heads home
19:49 * gmcharlt barely resists temptation to add SJeffery's last statement to the quotes database
19:49 SJeffery Be nice or I won't contribute code enhancements related to series and analytics to the repository.
19:51 gmcharlt heh
19:51 chris @quote show 95
19:51 munin chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
19:51 chris @quote get 95
19:51 munin chris: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
19:51 wizzyrea @quote get 95
19:51 munin wizzyrea: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
19:51 chris i still like that one :)
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009)
19:52 SJeffery Worse, I will start asking cataloging questions and having discussions about trivial cataloging topics with jcamins all day long.
19:52 wizzyrea hehe, i forgot about that one
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 11:13 AM, October 16, 2009)
19:52 wizzyrea @quote random
19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #71: "cait: hm it works now and I have no idea why :)" (added by chris at 03:47 PM, April 08, 2010)
19:53 wizzyrea @quote random
19:53 munin wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009)
19:53 owen ??
19:53 wizzyrea ah, those were the days
19:53 wizzyrea dunno owen, that was added like, a year ago
19:54 wizzyrea @quote random
19:54 munin wizzyrea: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 11:50 AM, July 31, 2009)
19:56 wizzyrea should I be concerned that the first line after running the Makefile is "unable to locate koha-conf.xml at <path>? Is that informational or an error?
19:56 wizzyrea (it looks like an error)
19:56 chris interesting, i never got that
19:56 wizzyrea this is from the tarball
19:57 wizzyrea not git
19:57 chris and thats running perl Makefile.PL eh
19:57 wizzyrea
19:57 wizzyrea yes sir
19:57 chris ill try again
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20:00 wizzyrea fwiw I have been following the instructions to the letter (only deviating when there is something left out, such as apt-get update
20:01 owen wizzyrea++ # for following instructions to the letter ;)
20:01 wizzyrea well, I want to know if new users can do it :P
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20:02 chris interesting
20:03 chris ah yeah, thats ignorable
20:03 chris i must have just done that
20:03 wizzyrea k good
20:03 wizzyrea ONWARD!
20:03 owen But it indicates a problem with the install process?
20:04 chris sort of
20:04 chris but not really
20:04 chris C4::Context always looks for a config file
20:04 wizzyrea is it looking for a config file it hasn't generated yet?
20:04 chris yes
20:04 owen Some might take such an error to mean that they should reinstall the operating system
20:05 chris but trapping it would mean that when using it later, it will not error when it should
20:05 chris its a warn
20:05 chris ends up in apache logs usually
20:05 wizzyrea hrm.
20:05 chris but on your screen in this case
20:06 chris warn "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml"
20:06 chris is the precise bit
20:06 chris we could take that warn out
20:07 chris but its actually pretty handy all the time
20:07 chris except the install
20:07 wizzyrea Maybe just make an additional text note in Makefile.PL
20:07 wizzyrea ?
20:08 chris im wondering how long it has been doing it
20:08 wizzyrea "We can't find it because it's not created yet!"
20:08 wizzyrea I have never noticed it, but I admit that I haven't been paying *that* close of attention
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20:09 wizzyrea most new users choose standard, because it's the default, correct?
20:09 chris yep
20:10 chris and because they wont have a git repo
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20:41 ebegin I know that question come back over and over again, but how the tmp_holdqueue table gets populated?
20:41 gmcharlt ebegin: misc/cronjobs/holds/
20:42 wizzyrea ebegin: thanks for asking that question, I had the same one from the other end: I wanted to know where build_holds_queue kept it's data
20:43 * wizzyrea formulates an evil plan
20:43 ebegin hehe :)
20:44 chris :)
20:47 ebegin Is there a reason why we are not using the reserves table? performance issue?
20:47 chris we do, for actual reserves
20:48 chris this is just a report
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21:50 SJeffery Don't you love it when you notice the conversations started with you over the last six hours that you totally did not notice.
21:57 chris heh
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