IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-08

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02:11 chris_n g'night #koha peps
02:12 chris night chris_n
02:46 chris @marc 088
02:46 munin chris: A report number that is not a Standard Technical Report Number (field 027) (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8]
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04:02 schuster brendan here?
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04:07 Amit heya chris
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04:57 sekjal chris: thanks for the book recommendation. I'm really enjoying it so far, and feeling a little more prepared for the Levin trip
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05:23 wasabi i like owen's twitter
05:23 wasabi "If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really #koha."
05:23 wasabi @quote add < owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha.
05:23 munin wasabi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
05:25 wasabi wha?
05:27 wasabi how do i register?
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05:32 cait morning #koha
05:37 wasabi @quote add < owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha.
05:37 munin wasabi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
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05:48 wasabi aaah, i got it....
05:48 wasabi @quote get 96
05:48 munin wasabi: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 01:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
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06:53 magnus g'day #koha
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06:59 kf good morning #koha
06:59 magnus guten tag, kf
07:00 kf hi magnus :)
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07:03 Amit heya jai
07:03 jai hi
07:04 kf hi Amit, hi jai
07:04 jai i have doubt in managing suggesion.
07:04 Amit heya kf
07:04 jai any one help
07:04 jai me
07:05 jai hi amit
07:05 jai hi kf
07:06 jai i send  purchase suggestion from opac , but that wont seems in intranet staff client
07:07 jai , when i click the button manage suggestion that show the msg like  "No pending suggestion"
07:07 kf and you can't see the purchase suggestion in the patron account either?
07:09 jai i can see the purchase suggestion in my patron accoutn
07:09 jai but cant see at intranet
07:11 jai in intranet i can see "1 pending suggestion " , but when i click the manage suggestion , that wont list the purchase suggestion send by patron
07:17 kf weird
07:17 kf which version are u using?
07:17 jai 3.00.006
07:19 jai
07:21 kf I am sorry, I have no test installation for this version
07:21 kf so I can't check
07:23 jai how in a module fetch  value from database
07:34 kf sorry, I don't understand
07:35 kf you can check if your suggestion was saved to the database in the table suggestions
07:52 jai yes i checked
07:52 jai it was in databases.
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07:58 kf jai: sorry jai - sounds like a bug
08:03 jai okey kf
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08:38 kf why is there no option to limit search to serials?
08:39 kf Or am I only not seeing it?
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08:56 ivanc hi #koha
09:02 magnus hi ivanc
09:02 ivanc hi magnus
09:03 magnus kf: can't you limit by any and all item types in advanced search?
09:04 kf they use collections in advanced search...
09:04 kf and you will only find serials with items
09:04 kf what I miss is a limit from the coded fields, you can limit to filmographies but not to serials?
09:05 kf hi ivanc
09:05 ivanc guten morgen kf
09:08 kf magnus: hmpf :)
09:08 magnus kf: :-) i never looked much at those options before, so i'm not much help i'm afraid...
09:09 kf that's ok - I will write an enhancement request
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10:24 dritan does any body know witch is AmazonAssocTag
10:24 dritan i have created e amazon acount
10:26 dritan i see only Access Key ID
10:26 dritan and Secret Access Key
10:27 dritan but not AmazonAssocTag
10:27 dritan help?????????????????
10:29 magnus dritan:[…]hp?ch=c19#AEN1126
10:29 magnus AmazonAssocTag is if you want to earn money from referrals
10:29 magnus you have to sign up for their associate programme, i think
10:30 magnus Access Key ID = syspref AWSAccessKeyID
10:30 magnus Secret Access Key = syspref AWSPrivateKey
10:31 magnus signing up here will give you the associate tag you need for AmazonAssocTag
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11:21 magnus g'day jwagner and nengard
11:22 nengard howdy magnus
11:23 jwagner Hi magnus
11:23 magnus early birds, out to get the worm? ;-)
11:24 jwagner Out to beat the DC rush hour traffic :-(
11:24 * jwagner notes that just because I'm in the office at this hour does NOT mean I'm awake!
11:26 magnus hehe
11:27 jwagner You've heard of sleep-driving, right?  Similar to sleep-walking?
11:28 magnus yeah, sure
11:28 magnus and it makes me glad i don't have to commute... ;-)
11:29 * jwagner is jealous
11:29 jwagner Although I do frequently work from home.  It's a nice option to have.
11:30 magnus i betcha
11:33 gmcharlt jwagner: surely sleep-Metro-riding is safer?
11:33 jwagner Not necessarily, given some of the crime problems on metro lately.  Also, it would take twice as long to get from home to the office by public transit as it does to drive, even with rush hour traffic.  "You can't get there from here."
11:36 jwagner The original DC Metro system (subway, not the busses) was designed to move people from the suburbs to downtown DC.  It doesn't seem to have ever crossed anyone's mind that people might like to go from one suburb to another....
11:39 magnus nah, why would you want that? ;-)
11:40 jwagner There are some proposals out for some cross-suburb rail lines now, but they've been studying those for years.  Probably won't get built until long after I've retired.
11:41 gmcharlt same thing in Chicago
11:41 jwagner I've never been to LA, but I hear it's even worse.  Guess I can be thankful I don't live there :-)
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11:53 jwagner A puzzlement -- a new site has no circ rules set up anywhere, but items are checking out with a three-week duedate anyway.  ceilingDueDate syspref is not set.  What else could be allowing checkouts like this?
11:54 paul_p jwagner, hello. In old versions, there was a default set to 21 iirc. I thought is has been removed, but maybe not
11:54 jwagner You mean hardcoded somewhere?
11:54 paul_p (default set to 21 => default hardcoded to 21)
11:54 paul_p yep, in C4/
11:55 jwagner OK, I'll take a look there.  Thanks much!
11:58 jwagner Yes, that line is still there in current head.  Should it be removed?
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12:01 chris_n jwagner: I think so
12:01 chris_n hardcoded foo is bad
12:01 paul_p jwagner, afaik, we have removed it in our 3.2-4 version (I mean it has been removes by our stuff done on issuing rules management)
12:02 paul_p[…]a_3.4#Circulation
12:03 jwagner So I don't need to open a bug report on it -- it's already in process?
12:03 * chris_n wonders if the advanced item due notice should really be generating per item notices rather than per patron notices?
12:04 chris_n a patron with 10 items receives 10 notices as it stands presently
12:04 gmcharlt per patron, I would think - why spam their inboxes?
12:04 chris_n seems a bit much
12:04 paul_p jwagner, I think so, but it will be only for 3.4 If you think it's needed for 3.2, then file a bug. But everybody lives with this since years, so I don't think it must be fixed urgently
12:04 * chris_n will open a bug for it and fix it
12:04 paul_p (and it was considered as a feature -a mistake, I agree-)
12:04 jwagner I don't think so either, as long as we know it's there.
12:04 gmcharlt jwagner: and if nothing else, it means that somebody installing Koha out of the box will be able to test circulation right away
12:05 jwagner That was probably the original idea (putting on my time-travel cap to see into the past).
12:05 jwagner As long as we know it's there, it's not a problem.  It was just a surprise on a brand new install :-)
12:05 * chris_n wants to borrow that cap sometime :)
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12:05 * jwagner will loan it when chris_n finishes that cloning module he's been working on.
12:06 chris_n lol
12:06 gmcharlt hey - not so fast - chris_n is supposed to finish warp drive for me first!
12:06 jwagner And what about teleportation?
12:06 chris_n sorry folks, the cookie supply has slowed down and so has my motive to work on those features ;-)
12:07 * jwagner makes a mental note to bake cookies
12:07 gmcharlt chris_n: humansnack 1 dz cookies?
12:07 chris_n hehe
12:07 magnus ooh, teleportation would be so cool, especially if it was finnished within the next week
12:10 jwagner As someone who loves to travel but hates to fly, I can definitely agree with you, magnus :-)
12:10 magnus :-)
12:11 chris_n $teleport->(person => 'mangus', destination => 'New Zeland');
12:11 * chris_n wonders if magnus is now in nz-land
12:12 magnus um, lemme check
12:13 magnus no, the view looks pretty familiar... but then i have a feeling nz will look somewhat familiar, so who knows?
12:13 jwagner No, because chris_n sent mangus
12:13 jwagner to New Zeland
12:13 * jwagner puts on spell-checker hat :-)
12:13 chris_n HA!
12:13 chris_n talk about a bug
12:13 magnus ah, that explains it, then
12:14 chris_n back to the drawing board
12:15 magnus @wunder bodo norway
12:15 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 13.0�C (2:00 PM CEST on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
12:15 magnus wunder wellington new zealand
12:15 magnus wunder wellington, new zealand
12:18 gmcharlt @wunder wunder wellington, new zealand
12:18 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (1:00 AM NZDT on October 09, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
12:22 magnus quite similar - perhaps chris_n was onto something...
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12:33 kf chris_n: I think it has always been like that - that's why we use the digest where you can use <<count>>
12:33 kf oh, forgt to scroll down
12:35 kf @wunder Konsatnz
12:35 munin kf: Error: No such location could be found.
12:35 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:35 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1�C (2:44 PM CEST on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
12:35 kf time for my vacation
12:36 chris_n vacation++
12:36 chris_n @wunder 28334
12:36 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 13.7�C (8:41 AM EDT on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady).
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13:09 votanavor Searching for a shareware/freeware program and wondering about koha's hardware requirements.  We are a small library in a developing country.
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13:14 gmcharlt votanavor: how large is your collectin?
13:15 votanavor At this point only 11,000 volumes, but we hope to begin adding again.
13:16 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:16 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:18 kf good morning jcamins :)
13:19 gmcharlt votanavor: for that small a collection, Koha's requirements are modest; any PC built in the last 3-4 years would handle it comfortable as long is it can install Debian or the like
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13:24 votanavor "Z39.50 client for downloading bibliographic records does not work on Windows" according to a document dated 2005.  Is this still true or can I download MARC records?
13:25 jcamins votanavor: you should not run Koha on Windows.
13:25 gmcharlt votanavor: it works fine in current versions of Koha, but note that Koha for Windows is a pretty ancient version; if you can use Linux as the OS for the Koha installation, that would work better
13:26 jcamins It doesn't matter what operating system you run the client under, though, since it runs in a web browser.
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13:31 mib_4bp7l Got logged out: how do I get back to the chat about System requirements.  Does Z39.50 client for downloading bibliographic records  work on Windows?
13:33 jcamins mib_4bp7l: you probably should not run Koha under Windows, but if you have a Linux server, you can use the client under any operating system you want (the client just runs in a web browser).
13:34 jcamins wizzyrea wizzyrea wizzyrea (testing whether saying her name three times will summon her)
13:34 jcamins wizzyrea: do we have a FAQ on system requirements for Koha? I can't find it.
13:34 mib_4bp7l How do I log in again under the same nickname?
13:34 jcamins mib_4bp7l: mibbit probably gives you some option to change your nickname.
13:35 mib_4bp7l Does it give me an option to log in again (on a different occasion) with the old nickname?
13:35 jcamins Just change your nickname to what it was before.
13:36 jcamins IRC nicknames aren't like user accounts.
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13:39 reva Hi anyone, is there a way to have the deleted records not show in the search list in OPAC. Right now, it shows up, and when you click the link, it goes to Error 404 message.
13:40 votanavor Thanks jcamins and gmcharlt.  Very helpful info.
13:40 jcamins reva:[…]faq/searching/#20
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13:44 jcamins Good morning, sekjal
13:44 sekjal morning, jcamins!
13:45 reva thanks jcamins, but, what is setting up cron job under kohauser?
13:46 reva jcamins, step by step please.
13:47 jcamins reva: cron is a standard utility in Linux.
13:47 jcamins I am sure if you Google it, you will be able to find instructions on how to use it.
13:48 reva ok, will try. Thanks again jcamins.:)
13:50 reva jcamins, is it just a matter of time before zebra rebuilds the index (so that I do not have to mess with it; because my search results have been ok so far.)
13:50 jcamins reva: that depends how you have it set up, but probably.
13:51 sekjal reva: yes, you should have a line in your crontab to run -a -b -z, and that should happen every 1 to 10 minutes
13:52 sekjal you'll want to adjust that frequency depending on the available resources on your machine.
13:53 reva let me see if shutting and restarting koha does it by itself before doing any of this. Also, is crontab a file I can edit to include the lines you have given?
13:54 sekjal reva: to access the cron jobs, I run the command 'crontab -e' as the koha user.  that'll open up your editor of choice, and can add/update the jobs as you like
13:55 reva ok, sekjal, I will try it and report/ask questions. Thanks.
13:55 cyrixbmx why some words do not translate into koha while the translation exists in the file. po?
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14:01 kf cyricbmx: do you have an example?
14:01 kf there can be a lot of reasons
14:02 cyrixbmx this term is not traduct in the intranet interface.
14:02 cyrixbmx #: /home/chris/git/koha.git/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/p​rog/en/modules/help/circ/circulation-home.tmpl:13
14:02 cyrixbmx msgid "Fast Cataloging"
14:03 cyrixbmx #: /home/chris/git/koha.git/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/p​rog/en/modules/help/circ/circulation-home.tmpl:13
14:03 cyrixbmx #, fuzzy
14:03 cyrixbmx msgid "Fast Cataloging"
14:03 cyrixbmx msgstr "Catalogage"
14:03 cyrixbmx in files : fr-CA-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po
14:03 cyrixbmx ok I find
14:03 kf it's fuzzy
14:04 cyrixbmx thanks :)
14:04 kf no problem
14:05 reva sekjal, is it supposed to open a brand new file? it is not giving me an existing crontab file to edit. (I am sorry for asking basic questions.)
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14:06 jcamins Ooh!
14:06 jcamins We are missing a Debian package.
14:06 wizzyrea yup, I'm working on getting that added now (you are referring to Business::ISBN?"
14:06 wizzyrea )
14:06 wizzyrea and good morning
14:06 jcamins Nope.
14:06 jcamins perl-doc
14:06 wizzyrea ooo
14:06 wizzyrea you add that one then ;)
14:07 jcamins I don't think it's been added yet.
14:07 jcamins (I didn't do a clean install, I just discovered that perl-doc is missing on my previous install)
14:09 reva I see the crontab file. is it to be opened with a text editor?
14:09 jcamins reva:[…]/unix/cron-1.html
14:09 sekjal thanks, jcamins... sorry, reva, I was afk
14:11 reva jcamins thanks, can i open the cron tab with gedit? meaning is it to be opened with a text editor?
14:11 jcamins reva: no, you follow sekjal's instructions and run crontab -e
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14:13 sekjal reva: do you use vi, vim or nano at all?
14:13 jwagner gmcharlt, note my update on Bug 3597
14:13 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3597 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, "Delete all items" doesn't check issues
14:14 jcamins Is there any way to pull the latest version of a single file only?
14:14 gmcharlt noted
14:14 reva ok, actually I made a little mistake; I went into root and when I did the crontab -e it put up a new file to edit. I closed the terminal. (I noticed the readme.txt for my Koha Live CD on my desktop is now not proper text file anymore.)
14:14 wizzyrea i'm looking at the install documentation, does this make sense?
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14:14 gmcharlt jcamins: you can browse the files on and download the 'blob' of the file you're interested in
14:14 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "apache2 note" (4 lines) at
14:14 jcamins wizzyrea: ooh, while you're updating them, any chance you could fix the numbering?
14:15 reva sekjal, I can use vi. :)
14:15 wizzyrea specifics, plox
14:15 wizzyrea :)
14:15 wizzyrea (but sure.
14:15 wizzyrea )
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14:15 sekjal reva:  cool, you've got one up on me.  I prefer nano
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14:15 gmcharlt wizzyrea: maybe add a link to the Apache vhost documentation?
14:15 kf bye all :)
14:15 wizzyrea I can do that!
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14:16 jcamins wizzyrea: there's step 5, then 1.1, 1.2, 1.1, and 1.2 again.
14:16 wizzyrea oh, you mean the zebra stuff
14:16 jcamins It should be 5.1(a)-5.2(a) and 5.1(b)-5.2(b)
14:16 jcamins Or something like that.
14:16 reva sekjal, but being able to use vi is one thing, but knowing the syntax and semantics of the cryptic commands to edit into crontab is another. Sigh:(
14:16 wizzyrea yup I'm just about to embark on that sections
14:16 wizzyrea section*
14:16 sekjal if you run crontab -e from the command line as the koha user, you'll open up the cron file in vi (most likely), and be able to update it there
14:17 jcamins Yay!
14:17 jcamins wizzyrea++
14:17 jcamins wizzyrea: if you're currently working on a patch for, any chance you could just add perl-doc to the list?
14:18 Barc export EDITOR=nano then crontab -e will open it in nano
14:18 wizzyrea I can do that too, sure
14:18 jcamins Yay!
14:18 * jcamins sends wizzyrea some coconut fudge
14:19 wizzyrea ooh
14:19 wizzyrea I've also removed the dupes from that script (
14:19 wizzyrea they're harmless but unnecessary
14:19 jcamins I wonder, does the package install perl-doc?
14:20 * jcamins is looking
14:20 jcamins No.
14:20 jcamins Maybe it's installed by perl-modules?
14:21 wizzyrea well there is a perl-doc package...
14:21 * wizzyrea loves debian
14:21 * wizzyrea gives debian a big hug
14:22 jcamins Yeah, I know. That's the one that isn't installed by
14:22 jcamins But it's not installed by the package, either, which means that I should probably report a bug.
14:22 wizzyrea it wasn't in the list, fwiw
14:23 jcamins Does anyone have a clean installation of Debian with Koha installed from the package?
14:23 wizzyrea I am about to
14:23 jcamins :)
14:24 sekjal when I get some time, I'm going to try it, too
14:24 wizzyrea ooo
14:24 jcamins Oh, I just remembered why I found out about the missing package.
14:24 jcamins I'm in the middle of importing MARC records.
14:24 wizzyrea can I send you these instructions sekjal to try them by fire before I send them in?
14:25 sekjal wizzyrea:  sure thing... but I can't guarantee how quickly I can get to them
14:25 sekjal hopefully by Tuesday, but...
14:25 wizzyrea hmm. Here's what I'll do I think
14:26 wizzyrea I"ll send the patch with the full modified instructions attached
14:26 wizzyrea or something
14:27 reva sekjalsekjal, no luck. I am on a Live CD set up. There is only one user set up in the Ubuntu server which has the Koha set up. when I type the command crontab -e on the command line it creates a new file for me to edit.
14:27 sekjal reva: if you haven't added any cron jobs before, the file would be blank.  You can add the lines from misc/cronjobs/crontab.example to get started
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14:31 reva Ok, will do that. No I shut down the VirtualBox (where my Koha appliance is) and when I search on the OPAC, it does not show the deleted record. :) I did not create any crontab file. So there is a considerable time lag between deleting records and the effect showing up in search results.
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14:34 reva Great I did not have to do any of that, sekjal. (And readme text file got corrupted because one of the trainees had saved a Raw MARC record into it by mistake.) relief!
14:37 reva sekjal, what I meant was I shut down my Koha/VirtualBox and restarted and it is now ok--i.e., not showing the deleted records. (When I am just editing records it rebuilds the index almost instantaneously though).
14:39 sekjal reva: good!  I've been meaning to pull the Live CD, and give it a whirl.  Or I may mix my own off a fresh Debian install. I just like the idea of having a Koha appliance I can beat into pieces, then load fresh again
14:39 wizzyrea is the assumption in the install docs that the logged in user is your koha user?
14:39 wizzyrea I'm wondering if we need/want to make that explicit.
14:40 wizzyrea (would certainly avoid several common issues, if we did)
14:40 jcamins wizzyrea: the assumption used to be that you were in group wheel, and there was a note that you had to change to kohauser for the zebra stuff.
14:40 jcamins That assumption is gone.
14:41 jcamins Actually, there's no group wheel under Debian, either.
14:41 jcamins So, yeah, it should be explicit.
14:41 moodaepo @wunder 56001
14:41 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 17.6�C (9:50 AM CDT on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Steady).
14:43 wizzyrea never mind. I see what he did here.
15:01 reva sekjal, when you build your own with Debian with 3.2, let us know. I was not able to install the 3.2 on the Debian as instructed. So we could use that instead. I had asked the Live CD developer to give instructions for making update to the 3.0.6.
15:02 sekjal reva: definitely
15:03 reva What he said is at the bottom of this page:
15:04 reva ok, can you do that befor I leave the post here (November 18th)?:) (Just kidding; as I know it would take a lot of testing and all from Mizst's comment in his page.)
15:04 sekjal reva: I wish I could crank it out by then, but I'll be at KohaCon for a couple weeks between then and now
15:05 sekjal maybe it can be a plane-project
15:05 wizzyrea blerg, crontab.example needs some srs help.
15:05 wizzyrea it's soul is in the right place.
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15:05 sekjal wizzyrea: yeah, I imagine it's pretty out of date; I don't recall any updates to it in a while
15:06 wizzyrea not so much out of date, just kind of detached from reality
15:06 wizzyrea[…]07ba48f8b;hb=HEAD
15:06 sekjal ah, I see
15:07 * wizzyrea puts it on the list
15:07 jcamins I've got them on the list! They'll none of them be missed, they'll none of them be missed!
15:07 wizzyrea well, and it implies a dev install
15:07 reva yeah, sekjal, that is if they are not showing a movie you have not seen during flight:). Thanks I will cut and past the instructions on crontab for the people here anyway. I am collecting odd and unrelated bits of fixes in a file.
15:08 * chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond
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15:08 jcamins reva: I think the staff at the Standards Bureau is going to have so much work to do to maintain Koha that they're not going to have the opportunity to do anything with standards!
15:09 jcamins chris_n: what did they do this time?
15:09 chris_n exist
15:09 jcamins It's not Tuesday...
15:09 cait ?
15:09 cait hi all :)
15:09 jcamins Hello.
15:09 chris_n cait: * chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond
15:11 jcamins chris_n: so are you working on your Win32 Koha installation?
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15:12 * LBA waves howdy
15:12 chris_n jcamins: no, rather trying to fix my samba file server
15:12 * chris_n waves back at LBA
15:12 wizzyrea @quote add chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond
15:12 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #97 added.
15:13 jcamins chris_n: another good reason for fist shaking.
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15:13 chris_n for some reason it has gone to making root the owner of everybody's files on a general use network share :-P
15:14 chris_n anyhow, back to tearing out hair and such
15:14 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "crontab section of install.debian" (10 lines) at
15:14 wizzyrea thoughts?
15:14 jcamins Looks good.
15:16 jcamins More generally, I'm thinking that my predecessors should be ashamed of themselves, but I'm pretty sure I answered your question the first time.
15:16 SJeffery Friday morning and everything at the office is not working, go figure.
15:17 reva jcamins, I will tell that to my counterpart, I can see her chuckling. I have told her to establish contacts with the government IT department people. You know they cannot do less than that if they want to manage their library. In fact, Koha is more user friendly; Evergreen is for institutions with cataloging department and technical processing staff.
15:18 jcamins SJeffery: getting a jump on next week, are you?
15:19 SJeffery Something like that. Fridays mornings are our most busy time, go figure it is when any outages tend to happen.
15:20 reva jcamins, I had demo tested Evergreen, Koha, Open Biblio. Open Biblio is too basic for them to use when they move to the Regional Information Network (CROSQ under CARICOM).
15:21 SJeffery Oh, and 669080236 is the analytic for that earlier parent:D
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15:26 Drl-Ulm Hello, question for patches news group maintainer ?
15:26 Drl-Ulm And or Galen? :)
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15:27 chris_n Drl-Ulm: that would be hdl iirc
15:27 Nate Morning Everyone
15:27 chris_n heya Nate
15:28 Drl-Ulm I submit patches to but they do not go through --- yep, I am and have been a subscriber
15:28 nengard anyone who knows about setting up git to send patches probably can help
15:28 chris_n yup, that would be hdl
15:28 Drl-Ulm chris_n hdl ?
15:28 rhcl hi nate
15:29 Nate hiya chris_n and rhcl
15:29 jcamins Think I could summon hdl by saying his name three times?
15:29 cait you can try :)
15:29 cait but better try it with 3 cookies
15:29 Drl-Ulm You mean High-density lipoprotein = hdl
15:29 chris_n Drl-Ulm:  Henri-Damien
15:29 chris_n of Biblibre
15:30 chris_n they handle the listserver
15:30 chris_n his nick is hdl
15:30 sekjal morning, Nate
15:30 jcamins hdl hdl hdl <-- cookie cookie cookie
15:30 jcamins :)
15:30 Drl-Ulm Ha, I got you. Well what could I be doing wrong? Could a cc: to a different address goof it up?
15:30 chris_n you could test by omitting the cc
15:30 Drl-Ulm Yes, I can do that
15:31 Drl-Ulm dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
15:31 jcamins Drl-Ulm: sorry, I tried summoning hdl with no luck. ;)
15:31 chris_n but I think that git send-email automatically cc's the sender's address
15:32 Nate hey sekjal
15:32 jcamins wizzyrea: what I wanted to ask you before was, is there any page with the system requirements for Koha on the website?
15:32 Drl-Ulm Yeah it does and my machine is called "koha" (imagine that) so it CCs to
15:32 Drl-Ulm Still it worked before (some while ago)
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15:34 Drl-Ulm ok I just created a koha user on the google domain. Perhaps the mail relay bounces it if the CC is no good
15:34 Drl-Ulm Although when I git send-email to myself it works fine
15:36 briceSanc hello
15:36 Drl-Ulm I am bamboozled!
15:38 * paul_p sees hdl is called.
15:38 * paul_p tries to make hdl appear :D
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15:39 Drl-Ulm Hello
15:39 Drl-Ulm hdl: what am I doing wrong on the git send-email?
15:39 paul_p tada ! /me is a BIG MAGICIAN ! I make ppl appear on the channel :D
15:39 hdl i am not on your back.
15:40 * jcamins gives hdl the three cookies he was promised
15:40 hdl hi jcamins....
15:40 hdl thx
15:40 hdl what's up ?
15:40 briceSanc i've a barcode problem, i have a book name 'X19713929' (UQAM barcode format). When i scan it, the scanner return the text '01971392x' and the old SIGB can find the book with recalculating 01971392x to X19713929, How can i do the same calculation in Koha ?
15:40 chris_n hey hdl, Drl-Ulm seems to have some problems with patches email
15:41 sekjal briceSanc:  you'll need to write a custom barcode filter
15:41 hdl What is it telling you ?
15:41 hdl Drl-Ulm: ?
15:42 briceSanc sekjal, yes !
15:42 briceSanc in C4/Barcodes ?
15:42 sekjal briceSanc:  look at, around line 118
15:43 briceSanc ok
15:43 sekjal function barcodedecode
15:44 sekjal you'll also need to modify the barcode filter system preference to so the new filter's name (whatever you want to call it) is an option in the Sys Pref editor
15:44 cait briceSanc: can't you reprogram your scanner?
15:44 cait brice_
15:44 cait not to deliver the last number
15:44 wizzyrea question about that, sekjal: it does it for all barcodes or only ones that match the criteria?
15:45 wizzyrea probalby could be told to do it either way, I suppose.
15:45 sekjal wizzyrea:  once the filter is selected, yes, it can be programmed to do whatever you like
15:45 sekjal the existing filters only change the barcodes that match criteria
15:45 cait briceSanc: we  did that for our library, koha has only 7 numbers, the real barcode is eight, the barcode scanner checks the last digit, but does not deliver it
15:46 jcamins hdl: did you just manually release Drl-Ulm's patch?
15:46 hdl jcamins: I just did NOTHING ;)
15:46 jcamins Okay.
15:46 jcamins Drl-Ulm: that did it.
15:46 Drl-Ulm Ok, it is something with registration auth. I just sent 2 to the patch email
15:47 wizzyrea cool, thanks for the info on that :)
15:47 cait your patch reads: From: koha <>
15:47 cait perhaps change that?
15:47 Drl-Ulm hdl: I was talking to jcamins
15:48 Drl-Ulm hdl: I think he figured it out, the email has 2 headers
15:48 nengard drl-ulm you might want to change the name to yours - but i did get the emails :)
15:48 Drl-Ulm cait: So you saw it come across to the actual patch newsgroup? I just sent them so they should go.
15:48 nengard you should also attach patches to bugs and change the status to 'patch-sent' on them
15:49 cait 2 patches came through
15:49 Drl-Ulm nengard: yep been doing that
15:49 cait but I think you should change that, becase this way your name will not appear on the list, only koha
15:49 Barc Hey -  settle a bet!? Difference between Holds Queuel and Pull List? Should there be the same items on both list?
15:49 cait I think it's one of those git settings I did at the beginning
15:49 Drl-Ulm cait: Ok you saw them. It is this exim4, fun to configure! :)
15:50 nengard Barc i've been told that they are the same and that the queue shouldn't used that the pull list is better ... or is more efficient - or something
15:50 Barc Yeah, its a little confusing, isn't it!
15:52 Drl-Ulm OK, I just sent them again, that *should* fix it w/ my name and all
15:52 cait it looks better
15:52 cait but the line is still in the patch
15:53 Drl-Ulm cait: what is the line. My name came through but some other line?
15:53 cait try that: git config --global "<name>" git config --global "<email>"
15:53 cait the first line of your patch message: From: koha <>
15:55 nengard anyone know of a bug report about emails not going to the librarian when a hold is placed?
15:55 nengard i'm not finding it - but it must have been reported
15:56 Drl-Ulm cait: OK, I just re-sent after the changes you typed. Look any better? :)
15:56 cait nengard: I don't remember it
15:56 nengard hmmm
15:56 cait not sure, the one I see is no different
15:56 nengard k - i'm going to report it and if someone finds the original feel free to mark mine a dup
15:56 Drl-Ulm Drat
15:56 nengard drl-ulm it's different for me
15:56 nengard i see your name
15:57 cait nengard: in the patch?
15:57 Drl-Ulm nengard: right, but I think cait is saying that another line is in there somewhere
15:57 cait ah
15:57 nengard on - no - just on the from line ... got it
15:57 cait I think you must make a new patch
15:57 cait file
15:57 cait to make it change
15:58 Drl-Ulm cait: ok
15:58 Drl-Ulm cait: sec
15:58 cait you can check the git settings with:  git config --list and
15:58 cait git config --global --list
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15:59 Drl-Ulm cait: yep, looks ok
16:00 nengard Bug 5297 reported
16:00 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5297 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced does nothing
16:02 Drl-Ulm cait: OK, Just reconfabulated them and re-sent
16:02 Drl-Ulm cait: wait, I see the line, still not correct.
16:02 cait it did not change dit you do git format-patch again?
16:02 cait I am sorry, I have to leave now
16:02 cait cooking course :)
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16:03 reva Hi again, I have another question. In the OPAC, there is no seperator between the Current Location and Shelving Location, so that they are running together in the same column. Very confusing display if you have a long library name, especially.
16:03 Drl-Ulm cait: well the next ones that come through will be OK
16:03 Drl-Ulm thanks!
16:05 cait no problem
16:05 cait bye all
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16:16 jwagner reva, I wrote a patch to set off shelving location -- see Bug 3789
16:16 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3789 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Set off Shelving Location in staff and OPAC title display
16:17 Drl-Ulm The new patches are fixed. Well, better to do it right.
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16:27 reva hi jwagner, and munin, thanks: I will get it.
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16:38 reva also,  is the item record getting the "date last seen" from 005 field? Because, I just corrected a bib record 005 to today's date (just to give us a cut-off date for our records to be exported) but the item record is still showing the older date as Date last seen. Or is it the indexing lagging behind?
16:38 jcamins reva: date last seen has nothing to do with the bib record.
16:39 jcamins I believe it is the last time you changed the status of the item.
16:39 jcamins It is the date the *physical item* was last seen.
16:39 jcamins It's useful for inventorying and shelfreading, and that sort of thing.
16:40 reva ok then jcamins. (I recall you saying Koha does not use the control fields at all.) So where do I change the "date last seen"? I do not see anyway I can change it in edit.
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16:40 jcamins reva: check it out.
16:40 jcamins Or check it in.
16:41 wizzyrea nengard: about?
16:42 nengard yuh huh
16:43 reva ok, i will try that. This ruse is so that we know which bib records and item records to export to our hard drive install of the Live CD. (I still have not given up on the 3.2/Debian install. In the meantime we are inputting records into our Live CD  VirtualBox install of 3.0.6 so that we can take it with us
16:46 nengard wizzyrea?
16:46 wizzyrea oh s oryr
16:46 wizzyrea sorry
16:46 nengard :)
16:46 wizzyrea can I send you a patch for 1. proofread and 2. sign off :)
16:46 wizzyrea pleeeeez
16:47 nengard yes
16:47 nengard :)
16:47 wizzyrea (it's docs stuff)
16:47 wizzyrea INSTALL.lenny, to be precise
16:47 wizzyrea k sent
16:47 nengard i won't know if it's accurate - but i can proofread ....
16:47 wizzyrea ty ty
16:48 wizzyrea I really just want another set of eyes on it before I send it out widely
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17:04 reva hi is there a patch for the 780 and 785 field showing? (The serial continues and continued by; I see a bug report for it; but no attachment.)
17:05 yhager I am working on installing koha on archlinux. I have to create a lot of packages for the perl modules. Is this something that you think would be valuable to donate back?
17:05 jcamins yhager: I would think so, yes.
17:06 jcamins I don't use Arch, so I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that any porting you do is porting that someone else doesn't have to do.
17:07 yhager jcamins: cool. I will create the perl packages, then create a koha-dependencies package that depends on all those.
17:07 yhager It is a real pain to install each package manually, so I hope someone else will benefit :)
17:08 reva also, do I just download save and run the attachment fi they are present on the bugpages.?
17:10 jcamins reva: those are patches. You will need to learn how to use patches.
17:12 jcamins I would suggest looking online for documentation on patches and diffs.
17:13 reva jcamins, yes; but I was wanting to know whether they are the final versions of the patches if they are attached to the page. Ok, I kind of know the diff function from my Unix life.
17:13 yhager We just finished a short pilot for our library with the latest stable 3.0. Today I am installing the real server - I guess it is safe to go with 3.2 now, right?
17:14 jcamins yhager: yes, I'd say so. A lot of people have been using 3.2 in production for a while.
17:14 reva Cait oncegave me here a link to a patch for showing place of publication in OPAC. I am not able to find it  by searching. And the serials Continues and Continued by , is there a patch for showing them?
17:17 yhager jcamins: I thought so. Thanks for reassuring!
17:18 jcamins We've had 3.2 since... ummm... whenever we started using Koha.
17:18 jcamins June?
17:18 jcamins Anyway, it works well.
17:18 jcamins yhager: also, if you wanted to write up instructions for installing Koha on Arch, that would be great.
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17:22 briceSanc sekjal, cait, I'm sorry, I had an impromptu meeting
17:23 reva jcamins, I have found the link:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5187. But the patch attachment is not a file I can save and run diff (and do whatever else). It looks like an html page with the source code in it.
17:23 sekjal no worries, briceSanc.  those happen
17:23 munin Bug 5187: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Show place of publication (260$a) in OPAC/Staff
17:25 reva munin, see my comment about no attachment I can download/save and do whatever.
17:25 munin reva: Error: "see" is not a valid command.
17:25 reva munin?? Please see.
17:25 munin reva: Error: "Please" is not a valid command.
17:26 reva ??? I am not getting your lines munin:()
17:26 jcamins reva: munin is a bot.
17:26 jcamins Not a person.
17:26 reva seriously, jcamins?
17:26 jcamins Yes.
17:27 jcamins @wunder 11105
17:27 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 22.4�C (1:35 PM EDT on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
17:27 sekjal @define munin
17:27 munin sekjal: Error: "define" is not a valid command.
17:27 sekjal @whatis munin
17:27 munin sekjal: "munin" could be (#1) purveyor of all wisdom, or (#2) your chatbot pal who's fun to be with
17:27 chris_n @dict munin
17:27 munin chris_n: No definition for "munin" could be found.
17:27 reva jcamins, do I feel stupider and stupider in this forum:) But I am stubborn.
17:27 chris_n hudsonbot: botsnack popcorn
17:27 hudsonbot chris_n: yummy! I really like that popcorn
17:27 jcamins reva: there's a proposed patch attached.
17:29 reva jcamins. you mean In the link I just sent you? When I try to save from the link it opens a web page showing the code. who else is a robot in this irc? owen?
17:29 jcamins No, owen's a real person.
17:29 jcamins Just munin, hudsonbot, logbot, and I think that's it.
17:29 sekjal pastebot
17:30 jcamins Oh yeah.
17:30 reva that is good to know that abt owen. I can feel the tetchiness in his responses and that should have told me that he is a real person.
17:30 * gmcharlt giggles - but surely owen is just a patch-writing machine
17:31 gmcharlt ;)
17:31 jcamins Oh, well, by that definition, gmcharlt is a patch-applying machine. ;)
17:32 reva jcamins did you actually click on the attachment?
17:32 chris_n owenbot.... ;-)
17:32 jcamins reva: yes I did.
17:32 jcamins It is a patch for an XSLT stylesheet.
17:32 jcamins So the reason it looks like HTML is that it's XML.
17:33 chris_n $self->morph_to_bot(/me)... maybe?
17:33 reva jcamins, so what do i do with it?
17:33 jcamins
17:34 reva boy jcamins, have I got my reading cut out for me for the weekend!!:)
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17:36 jcamins reva: I would encourage you to read this as well:
17:37 reva jcamins, what I meant was when I got the link to the patch for the Location display enhancement just now, it was a file I could save. This one for the Show Place of Publication was not like that.
17:38 jcamins reva: see where it says "proposed patch"?
17:38 reva jcamins, you gave me that one yesterday, and I went home and have made a determined start on it (the adverb is directly from Amis' Lucky Jim novel.)
17:38 reva ok, I see it.
17:39 jcamins That is the patch.
17:39 reva ok, I am kind of getting it.
17:41 reva jcamins, I meant you gave me the link to linux intro. But today's is a new one. Thanks.
17:41 jcamins You're welcome.
17:46 jcamins Drl-Ulm: I think you sent the wrong patch just now.
17:51 Drl-Ulm I sure did
17:51 Drl-Ulm !
17:51 Drl-Ulm :)
17:51 Drl-Ulm Either I did a password change code a while ago or someone else did. If that is the case at least one of my patches in the past was used - which is nice to know.
17:52 Drl-Ulm I've been out of the loop for awhile, we got a > $100,000 grant and everything has been setting all that stuff up
17:52 Drl-Ulm Well glad it is in there regardless
17:54 Drl-Ulm I was confused on this because we are running an *early* version of 3.0 with lots of patches in it, and I am trying to clear them out. I wonder if they are the same code: Yeah same code. I think I forgot I submitted it. 50 computers setup with Win 7 and news servers later and I am out of the loop
17:55 Drl-Ulm Let's laugh about it and move on, shall we.... heh
17:57 Drl-Ulm Wait, no...I never submitted that one. I have one to add an email account or change an email account. Sheesh. I *have* been out of the loop. What was I thinking.
17:58 Drl-Ulm This is what happens when you have to setup Windows stuff for 6 months. Errr
17:58 Drl-Ulm Sorry everyone!
17:58 jcamins wizzyrea: you have a merge conflict.
17:59 wizzyrea ugh I can not do this right
17:59 * wizzyrea sulks away and kicks git.
17:59 nengard :(
17:59 nengard anything we can help with?
18:00 wizzyrea can you make me stop sending stupid patches to the list? because that's really what I want.
18:00 * jcamins offers wizzyrea a cookie
18:03 * jwagner offers wizzyrea a stiff drink
18:03 * jcamins could use one of those too
18:03 Drl-Ulm I need sleep, running on 3 hours.
18:03 Drl-Ulm I have a change which would allow a patron to add or change their EMAIL. I have no idea why I commited the other code. Tired!
18:04 Drl-Ulm Also the question is would anyone even want that? :)
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18:14 wizzyrea I think that would be good, except that for the most part koha requres librarian intervention to change essential contact information
18:14 wizzyrea (do we classify "email" as essential contact information?)
18:14 jcamins Question: once 3.2 is released, HEAD will become the development branch for 3.4. So there will be a separate branch for 3.2, right?
18:14 jcamins If my understanding is correct, do we know what that branch will be called?
18:15 Drl-Ulm wizzyrea: do we? I mean this could be pref.
18:16 Drl-Ulm wizzyrea: Or I can lump it in with the OpacPasswordChange preference
18:16 reva jcamins, since we are not a circulating library, i have not assigned any barcode to my item records (neither system generated nor "manually created">) Do I have to do that before I can checkouook? Or is there a way to bypass giving items barcodes?
18:17 jcamins reva: why do you need to check out a book then?
18:19 jcamins I have no idea what the answer to your question is, but I don't see why you'd need to check out a book if you're non-circulating.
18:20 jcamins I guess statistics?
18:20 gmcharlt jcamins: 3.2.x
18:20 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks.
18:20 reva oh, because I wanted to change the date last seen in the item record. (we have assigned a cut-off date for exporting our good records, so I need the corresponding item records to show that date or later.)
18:20 jcamins reva: I see. I have no idea.
18:22 jcamins I would speculate that you might be better off setting the accession date rather than the "date last seen," though.
18:22 reva ok, I suppose, I can set the export to include item records and see what happens. When I was staging and importing bib records into the database, it gave me that choice. I will have to experiment with that.
18:23 wizzyrea well I do think that falls in the "librarians should decide what is essential information" discussion
18:23 wizzyrea sorry, I was distracted
18:23 wizzyrea I just realized I had accidentally ignored jcamins... and I am sorry :(
18:23 reva ok, I will reset the acquired (is that the accession you mean) date. But see I will be setting it today's date (say) but the Last seen will show 10/01/2010 which is when the item record was created.
18:23 wizzyrea I like him and his cookies
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18:26 drulm Oh, we have a release candidate!? Wow I just saw this! Awesome!
18:27 wizzyrea :)
18:32 jcamins The git web page has sections on "Remotey commands," "Branch commands," and "Patchy commands."
18:32 jcamins That amuses me.
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19:01 chris_n is it friday or what?
19:05 drulm Yes it is.
19:05 drulm TGIF = Thank Galen It's Friday
19:06 wizzyrea haha!
19:06 wizzyrea @quote add drulm: TGIF=Thank Galen It's Friday
19:06 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #98 added.
19:06 drulm Well that all depends as to how everyone around here refers to Galen, but he is the R.M.
19:07 jcamins gmcharlt: Thank you!
19:07 jcamins If I need to recommend a basic book on HTML, what book should it be?
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19:07 * gmcharlt blushes, and disclaims any responsibility for make the earth rotate
19:07 * wizzyrea can imagine worse dieties
19:07 * wizzyrea can imagine few better ones.
19:08 jcamins (to clarify, this is "HTML so you can deal with customizing Koha" not "HTML for writing general-purpose web pages")
19:08 gmcharlt jcamins: owen's blog, actually - not a book, I know
19:08 jcamins Ah, good call, thanks!
19:11 wizzyrea owen should write a book from his blog
19:11 wizzyrea he really should
19:11 jcamins I agree!
19:11 chris yeah
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19:12 wizzyrea @later tell owen you should write a book about Koha from your blog
19:12 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
19:12 nengard did he post something new?
19:12 wizzyrea no, but think about all the posts he's written
19:12 wizzyrea and how helpful each and every one is
19:13 chris_n "Choice Selections from Owen's Koha Blog"
19:13 nengard oh i agree with you all - jsut wondering if there was something new and awesome i missed
19:14 chris :)
19:14 jcamins I'm writing a "required reading" list for someone who wants to get up to speed on Koha fast.
19:14 jcamins And I asked what to suggest for "HTML as it applies to Koha."
19:14 nengard got it
19:15 drulm nengard: I fell over from lack of sleep and my face hit the keyboard - but luckily nobody saw it
19:16 nengard but now everyone knows about it
19:16 wizzyrea back in a few
19:16 wizzyrea (gotta get the kiddo)
19:16 drulm nengard: Oh darn! You are right! Drat!
19:20 chris_n thd is the master of completeness
19:20 chris he is
19:22 jcamins I'll say.
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19:36 drulm Zap. There is another patch you can all mock! Thank you, thank you very much.
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19:38 reva Hi, I just wanted to mention that setting the OPACBaseURL as suggested here a few days ago (to http://localhost/, which is our OPAC address) did not create a link in my staff client for me. Why?
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19:46 jcamins If anyone wants a sense of how much they know, I have a reading list for "what you need to know to work with Koha."
19:49 chris oh yeah?
19:49 chris you should do a blog post :)
19:49 jcamins It's a good idea.
19:49 jcamins Of course, it might scare people away from Koha.
19:49 reva yo'all have a good weekend Bye jcamins:)
19:49 jcamins Maybe if I do one post on each technology.
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19:50 jcamins Something like "learning to deal with git so you can work with Koha," "learning to deal with Perl so you can work with Koha..."
19:50 jcamins That might be kind of useful.
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19:51 chris yeah good idea
19:51 jcamins It would save me pasting the same half dozen links into this channel over and over.
19:51 chris :)
19:51 wizzyrea_ lol, we need a bot like limesurvey has that when someone says
19:51 wizzyrea_ update instructions
19:52 wizzyrea_ it comes back with the link
19:52 jcamins Yeah, I really like that idea.
19:52 jcamins Actually, that's partly where the idea of writing out the reading list came from.
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19:53 jcamins That and realizing that most people probably have no idea what I'm talking about when I say "you need to frozzle your XSLT stylesheet to foo your MARC." ;)
19:58 jcamins Hey, what's the oldest version of Firefox that is believed to work with Koha?
19:59 chris 2 words
20:00 chris works even
20:00 chris for the opac at least
20:00 chris not sure about staff side
20:01 jcamins Okay. Thanks.
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20:14 sekjal have a good weekend, all!
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20:23 jcamins Okay, it's weekend-y.
20:23 jcamins Have a good weekend, #koha
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21:30 jwagner Grump.  Stupid jquery can't read my mind....
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22:20 chris_n ptfs needs to get a real life
22:24 moodaepo chris_n: Now what?
22:24 wizzyrea_ it'd probably be better to leave this one for now
22:25 moodaepo ptfs-- <!++
22:25 * moodaepo just for good measure
22:25 moodaepo @wunder 56001
22:25 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 30.9�C (5:34 PM CDT on October 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 28.90 in 978.6 hPa (Steady).
22:26 * moodaepo goes out
22:26 chris_n wizzyrea_: I think it may be too late... sadly
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22:31 cait hi #koha
22:31 chris_n heya cait
22:31 cait hi chris_n
22:31 cait :)
22:35 chris_n ptfs--
22:35 chris_n bbl
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22:54 cait did I miss something?
22:57 cait found it
22:58 cait I think it's a good idea to go to bed now
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23:45 chris @wunder wellington,nz
23:45 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 09, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
23:45 jcamins_a Is it fair to say "any reasonably high-end computer from the last five years could run Koha"?
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23:51 jwagner jcamins, it probably depends on the size of the collection.  druthb got Koha running on a netbook -- slow and small, but it worked.
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23:57 jcamins jwagner: thanks! That's what I thought.
23:58 jwagner But the more memory and processors you can throw at it, the happier you'll be.  (You the person trying to install, of course)
23:58 jwagner And good high-end PCs aren't that expensive any more.
23:58 jcamins Right.
23:59 jcamins I'm writing a blog post with reading suggestions for learning enough to handle Koha.
23:59 jcamins Right now I'm working on the Debian GNU/Linux part.

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