Time Nick Message 00:36 chris man, still going, gmcharlt is a machine 00:36 gmcharlt and about to inflict yet more ugliness on TmplTokenizer to get the translatable-templates test case to pass 00:37 chris i have a student who is dead keen to rewrite that, once he has template::toolkitted the templates so the ugliness shouldnt need to last too long :) 00:50 gmcharlt oops 00:51 gmcharlt just a sec 00:54 gmcharlt hudsonbot: build Koha 00:54 hudsonbot gmcharlt: job Koha build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds 00:54 hudsonbot Starting build 60 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:03 munin New commit(s) kohagit: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef5279b47c6ec7b6252527c49b1576671be12575> 01:09 hudsonbot Project Koha build (60): SUCCESS in 14 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/60/ 01:09 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: translator hack to avoid failure on opac-opensearch.tmpl 01:09 hudsonbot Starting build 61 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:09 gmcharlt chris: hudson now runs some of the author tests 01:10 gmcharlt in particular, it will now complain about broken or unstranslatable templates 01:10 chris awesome :) 01:10 chris gmcharlt++ 01:11 wasabi thanks galen! 01:12 gmcharlt ok, who wants to grab a tarball from git and do a fresh install on a clean box? 01:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: defer rotating collections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b88131f80d9841aa6a0df35a4ad881f041beb22> 01:13 chris can do 01:13 gmcharlt thanks 01:17 chris downloading now 01:19 chris running perl Makefile.PL 01:20 chris cool it checked for Business::ISBN 01:23 chris ok, up to making now 01:23 robin while that other thing is being looked into, I may have to read through those commits and start prepping new packages. 01:23 chris (it helps having a fresh squeeze instance handy) 01:24 chris *nod* 01:24 chris ok make install 01:25 pastebot "chris" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Koha's files have now been ins" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/74 01:25 chris so far so good 01:26 * richard plans to set up a koha on my box at home this weekend - if it's raining 01:27 richard might even dust off my copy of 'teach yourself perl in 21 days' 01:27 chris :-) 01:27 chris perl mongers on tuesday night too 01:27 chris you can listen to doug 01:27 chris http://wellington.pm.org/ 01:28 richard ah yeah. someone entered it on our staff calendar 01:30 chris and done, appears to have installed fine gmcharlt 01:30 chris at least im not getting any 500's anywhere 01:36 gmcharlt cool 01:41 gmcharlt chris: take a look at process 7413 on bugs 01:41 gmcharlt for some reason prove xt/author/valid-templates.t is hanging on just that particular template 01:41 chris hmmmm 01:42 chris ill go look 01:42 gmcharlt it happily finishes if you kill it, but if you can figure out why it's hanging on marc21_field_007.tmpl, that would be great 01:42 gmcharlt doesn't happen to me on Debian 01:43 robin Of course, _now_ I find a patch I meant to send in but forgot to. 01:43 munin New commit(s) kohagit: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev 3.01.00.999 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f3d93bd417d10efa22cc0d2462ef3f08fb840a6> 01:43 chris heh 01:43 chris gmcharlt: will do 01:43 gmcharlt thanks 01:44 chris or at lest will attempt too 01:51 chris that is weird 01:51 chris i wonder what it is blocking on 01:54 hudsonbot Project Koha build (61): SUCCESS in 45 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/61/ 01:54 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: defer rotating collections 01:54 hudsonbot Starting build 62 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:54 chris_n gmcharlt++ 02:01 * chris_n ssh's in to get the latest scoop on his production box 02:03 chris interesting 02:04 hudsonbot Project Koha build (62): SUCCESS in 9 min 41 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/62/ 02:04 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t 02:04 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: mark 3.2.0 release candidate - DBrev 3.01.00.999 02:04 chris xt/author/valid-templates.t .. 1/? 02:04 chris it hung on the first one that time 02:04 chris ctrl-c 02:04 chris and then it hung on 15/ 02:04 chris on my ubuntu box at work, its currently hung on 70 02:05 chris ohhh it got to 18/? that time 02:05 chris chris_n: got an ubuntu machine handy? 02:05 robin aren't non-deterministic bugs fun? 02:05 chris_n several aamof 02:05 chris in a koha checkout 02:05 chris try running 02:05 chris prove xt/author/valid-templates.t 02:06 chris i wonder if its ram 02:06 chris_n running now 02:07 pastebot "chris_n" at 184.0.137.59 pasted "prove xt/author/valid-templates.t" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75 02:07 chris_n and we're hung 02:07 chris yeah it does seem to be an ubuntu thing 02:09 chris hm or maybe not, it just did it on a lenny box for me too 02:10 * robin prepares packages 02:11 chris gmcharlt: well on 3 different machiens, 2 lucid one lenny, i can get it to hang .. at random places .. i have no idea what its doing 02:11 gmcharlt heh - and yet it never hangs for me 02:11 * chris_n gets bit by the new dep again :-\ 02:12 chris_n hung on lucid for me 02:12 chris if i try running it this way 02:13 chris perl xt/author/valid-templates.t 02:13 chris ok 97 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_140.tmpl 02:13 chris is where it seems to be stopping 02:13 chris on my desktop 02:14 * chris_n wonders if he is the first one to have the RC in production use ;-) 02:14 chris ok 20 - no errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_100.tmpl 02:14 chris on bugs 02:16 chris_n hmm 02:16 chris_n fails on 247 02:16 chris_n 249 02:16 chris_n and hangs on 02:16 chris yeah its random :) 02:16 chris_n 262 02:17 chris_n fails the same every run on this box 02:17 chris oh so it does 02:17 chris but different on every box :) 02:18 chris gmcharlt: want me to update http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ ? 02:18 gmcharlt chris: just a moment 02:18 chris nengard made a point of telling me i had to update it :-) 02:20 chris_n fails on value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl 02:20 chris_n weirdness 02:20 * chris_n is off to drink coffee with his wife 02:20 chris right thats what gmcharlt said 02:20 chris so yeah its that file 02:20 * chris tries an expirement 02:21 chris yeah, mved the file .. it completed fine 02:24 chris it is one of the bigger templates 02:25 chris 322k 02:25 chris K even 02:25 gmcharlt chris_n: isn't it a bit late to be drinking coffee? :) 02:26 chris yeah nothing (including the xslt) comes close to the same size 02:26 chris i wonder if its just that 02:30 robin woah, I just had a huge bunch of tests fail. 02:30 robin oh. missing module. 02:30 robin hmm 02:31 chris Business::ISBN ? 02:31 chris thats a new one 02:32 robin yeah, that's the one 02:39 chris_n gmcharlt: never too late to drink coffee with my wife ;-) 02:41 chris ahh it gets stuck in here 02:41 chris while (<CHILD_ERR>) { 02:42 jcamins_a That's an ironic juxtaposition. 02:43 jcamins Is chris_n Jr teething? ;) 02:43 robin for the interested, these are the dep changes: + libbusiness-isbn-perl, 02:43 robin + libnet-server-perl, 02:43 robin - libtest-harness-perl | perl-modules, 02:43 robin + libuniversal-require-perl, 02:43 chris_n jcamins: after four there will be no more teething in this house unless it is grandchildren and then they will be promptly sent home :-) 02:44 jcamins chris_n: fair enough. 02:45 chris with licorice 02:45 chris_n jcamins: our oldest is 15 and youngest is 4 and each one is very dear 02:46 chris_n actually our oldest daughter takes care of putting the youngest daughter to bed each night, so that explains why we were having coffee 02:46 chris :) 02:46 chris my two are at the annoy each other phase 02:47 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/4985102611/ even when sick .. you must poke your sleeping brother in the nose 02:47 chris_n still happens around here on occasion 02:48 chris_n that is funny :) 02:49 * chris_n wonders if the test failure has anything to do with that line ending in '--gmc'... ;-) 02:53 chris_n check this out 02:53 chris_n ./test_template.pl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl 02:53 chris_n Pro.xs: non-zero exit code 3 at /usr/lib/perl5/HTML/Template/Pro.pm line 200. 02:54 * chris_n wonders why that does not come in <CHILD_ERR>? 02:55 chris yeah it seems to get stuck in that while loop forever 02:57 darling happy 3.2.0 everybody 02:59 chris_n I think that error is being pushed out CHILD_OUT rather than CHILD_ERR 03:04 gmcharlt chris_n: the third argument is missing 03:05 gmcharlt it should be something like 03:05 gmcharlt ./test_template.pl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/ 03:05 chris_n interesting 03:05 gmcharlt or second argument rather 03:05 chris_n if I just parse through the contents of the CHILD_OUT handle, the test runs fine 03:05 gmcharlt it's the path to the include dir 03:05 chris_n right 03:05 robin Hey folks, new Koha packages uploaded! 03:05 gmcharlt robin++ 03:06 chris_n chris: try this and see if things fly ok 03:06 pastebot "chris_n" at 184.0.137.59 pasted "return sub { return unless -f" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/76 03:08 chris_n gmcharlt: running with the include path yields this: 03:08 chris_n built-in find_file: can't find file popup-bottom.inc (included from ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_007.tmpl) with path = [ 'koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes' ] 03:09 chris_n opps 03:09 chris_n runs fine now 03:09 * chris_n scratches his head 03:10 robin gmcharlt: just added an installation patch on bug #5288 03:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency 03:10 gmcharlt chris_n: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=150748 is relevant here 03:11 gmcharlt perldoc IPC::Open3 indicates that we need to be more careful with the IO, since we've set readers for both stdout and stderr in the open3 call 03:11 chris ahh yeah 03:11 gmcharlt your http://paste.koha-community.org/76 03:11 gmcharlt paste helps by ensuring that stdout is read 03:11 gmcharlt but I think it would still be subject to the possiblity of deadlock 03:13 chris yeah 03:13 chris i think that is what is happening, some kinda deadlock, possibly triggered by the length of the file 03:15 gmcharlt robin: patch pushed 03:15 robin gmcharlt: sweet :) 03:16 chris_n so is reading stdout an acceptable workaround for the time being? 03:16 gmcharlt for the moment, but stick in a big fat FIXME, please 03:16 chris :) 03:16 * gmcharlt is going to bed 03:16 gmcharlt good night 03:17 chris yeah that will stop hudson hanging for the moment 03:17 chris thanks heaps gmcharlt 03:17 chris sleep well you earned it 03:18 chris_n g'night gmcharlt 03:19 robin cya 03:21 chris_n still fails 2 tests, but does finish now 03:22 hudsonbot Starting build 63 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=292c618572b1a69d5ab935d80796fb53eb2bee9a> 03:24 chris_n gmcharlt: patch sent to the list 03:26 chris_n ok, off to bed 03:27 chris night chris_n 03:56 chris http://twitter.com/thesethings/status/26609256654 03:59 Braedon *cough* sun/oracle *cough* 04:01 * Braedon wonders how one would say 'slash' while covering with a cough... 05:17 chris heh 05:32 fredericd Thanks all for the today RC 06:44 magnus woohoo! 06:45 chris heh 07:01 chris hi hdl happy 3.2.0 day ;) 07:01 hdl chris: wOOOt 07:10 kf good morning #koha :) 07:10 chris hiya kf 07:12 kf morning chris :) 07:12 kf nice to wake up to rc 1 :) 07:13 chris yup ;) 07:20 magnus guten morgen, kf 07:20 kf morning magnus :) 07:22 kf chris: BSZ-DW? 07:22 tance hello 07:22 magnus hi tance 07:22 chris its picked that up from your email 07:23 kf can you change to BSZ-BW? BW is for the state baden württemberg :) 07:23 chris yup will do 07:23 tance i have a problem with koha permisions 07:23 kf thx :) 07:24 tance i have bullt a koha for diferent libraires 07:24 tance i have turn on independentBranch on 07:24 kf ah, the translation is pushing us - I wondered why we are ranked so high 07:25 tance but users can modify delete books of the aother libraries 07:25 tance try it 07:25 tance http://shkollaime.com:8080 07:25 tance usr demo 07:25 tance pass demo 07:26 tance make a search with the letter 'a' 07:26 tance and you will see what im saying 07:26 chris kf: better now? 07:27 kf tance: I cant delete them from edit items screen, the links are missing 07:28 kf chris: yes, much better, thx! 07:28 kf tance: but I am not sure I should try out 'delete all items' 07:29 tance did you try in my site? 07:29 kf yes 07:29 kf I searched for a, opened the first book with edit items 07:29 tance is the option to delete all items 07:30 tance and then you can delete and the recordù 07:30 tance record 07:32 tance any idea 07:32 tance ????? 07:32 kf delete item is a quite new feature 07:32 kf I can imagine it is a bug 07:32 ivanc hallo #koha 07:32 kf delete all items 07:33 kf hi ivanc 07:33 ivanc guten morgen kf 07:34 tance Wie geht's! 07:34 kf gut ;) 07:36 ivanc gut 07:39 tance how to fix this bug 07:39 tance does any body know?????? 07:40 kf tance: which version of koha are you using? 07:41 tance koha 3.06 07:41 kf tance: you could hide the link with jquery until the bug is fixed - and to get it fixed you should file a bug report, naming the version of koha you are using and your settings 07:41 kf 3.2 is really near - but I am not sure how this works there 07:50 tance you mean version 3.00.02 or 3.2 07:55 kf I mean 3.2 07:56 kf you are using 3.00.06 08:17 tance but 3.2 is not stable version 08:23 chris release candidate released today 08:23 chris its in use in numerous libraries in production already 08:25 CGI818 hi ALL 08:26 CGI818 can I know why after I success installed koha. but i cannot search the book title from catalog after I add one record in cataloging 08:26 chris what version of koha? 08:26 CGI818 3.0.6 08:27 hdl zebra not launched ? 08:27 CGI818 how i can check it is launched or set it from ? 08:27 chris did you follow the instructions for setting up zebra? 08:28 CGI818 related to Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25? 08:29 chris no 08:29 chris what version of linux are you running ? 08:30 CGI818 ubuntu 10 08:30 chris in the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions its section 5 08:31 chris 10.10 ? or 10.04? 08:31 chris section 5 in INSTALL.ubuntu too 08:33 CGI818 10.04 09:03 CGI124 tq christ. i can search catolog now after i configure zebra and reboot 09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM 09:16 CGI124 can i know what is the purpose for Net::Z3950::ZOOM 09:59 hdl CGI124: it is the search query and get results package 10:58 larsw oh, wow, I'm mentioned in the RC announcement 10:59 * larsw suspects it is good for karma to make large numbers of very small commits :) 11:04 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b647f01f51883a0e0596a9e66e9623af92b2ad62> 11:32 chris_n @later tell chris hudson is hung up 11:32 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 11:39 hudsonbot Project Koha build (63): ABORTED in 8 hr 16 min: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/63/ 11:39 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Bug 5288 - Update package dependencies, control source details 11:39 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5288 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Business::ISBN isn't specified as a dependency 11:39 hudsonbot Starting build 64 for job Koha (previous build: ABORTED -- last ABORTED #63 8 hr 17 min ago) 11:41 chris_n @later tell chris fixed hudson 11:41 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 11:47 hudsonbot Project Koha build (64): SUCCESS in 7 min 48 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/64/ 11:47 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: Adding a temporary workaround to keep template tests from borking on very large templates 12:18 druthb hi, owen. :) 12:19 owen Hi druthb and #koha 12:20 gmcharlt good morning 12:21 jwagner morning all. Looks like gmcharlt has been busy :-) 12:21 jwagner Is it in final stage yet? i.e., ready to do a git pull? 12:22 gmcharlt yep 12:23 owen "Pending confirmation of successful installations and upgrades, this will become the general release of 3.2.0" 12:23 owen As someone once said 12:23 gmcharlt note that there's a new Perl dependency, Business::ISBN, that you'll need to install when you upgrade 12:23 gmcharlt owen: I wonder who that might have been 12:23 owen A wise man. 12:23 jwagner Yeah, I've already run into that one. But given that hudson still seems to be churning away, I wasn't sure things were really done. 12:24 * owen doesn't think there is ever a done 12:24 * chris_n fixed hudson earlier 12:24 * gmcharlt should have written a test case for the test case ;) 12:24 chris_n he was hung on the template test deadlock issue 12:25 chris_n which is now fixed 12:25 * chris_n runs away screaming.... tests of tests.... aaaahhhhh! 12:26 * druthb sets up the "infinite recursion" warning flag. 12:31 * gmcharlt writes a test case for infinite recursion 12:33 kf hi druthb and jwagner 12:33 jwagner Guten tag, kf 12:34 druthb hi, kf. :) 12:38 * owen finishes reading the log from last night and now has the Portal song in his head 12:38 briceSanc hello 12:43 briceSanc My Koha is connected to the Koha Git community and since yesterday nothing works, however Git tells me that I am already up to date. Any idea of the problem? 12:43 briceSanc The main error is : Can't locate Business/ISBN.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src/C4/Koha.pm line 27. 12:43 briceSanc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/var/sites/master.koha.sys-tech.net/src/C4/Koha.pm line 27. 12:43 owen briceSanc: Business/ISBN.pm is a new dependency 12:44 briceSanc ok what do i need to do ? 12:45 magnus briceSanc: sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl 12:46 briceSanc it seems to work 12:46 briceSanc Koha ask me to update the database 12:46 briceSanc thanks owen and magnus ! 12:48 jwagner gmcharlt, one minor puzzlement -- the version number after a git pull now says 3.01.00.999. Will that change to 3.2 at some point? 12:49 gmcharlt it will flip to 3.01.00.000 (or 3.01.00.001, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release 12:49 jwagner OK, I wondered if that was the "flipping" point. Thanks. 12:50 jwagner er, did you mean 3.02.00.000? 12:51 gmcharlt ah, yes 12:51 jwagner Been a long couple of days, huh :-) 12:53 briceSanc is there a changelog for this new version of Koha? 12:54 owen briceSanc: I don't think there is yet. Usually it comes with the official release 12:55 gmcharlt briceSanc: full release notes for 3.0->3.2 are still in process; as far as the beta->RC is concerned, changes have mostly been bugfixes 12:55 briceSanc ok because i search what is modified in the database 13:15 * sekjal throws confetti as he walks in 13:26 owen sekjal: I think everyone's hung over 13:28 sekjal owen: fair enough, I suppose. it's been a long time comin'. 13:28 sekjal well, time to work on 3.2.1 13:28 jcamins Morning, 3koha 13:29 * owen is curious what kinds of bug-fix patches will make it into 3.2.1 13:29 sekjal owen: I've got a list I'm targeting 13:29 jcamins That was supposed to be #koha, by the way. 13:35 kf morning jcmains :) 13:36 kf I am working on the record samples - hope to have it ready tomorrow 13:41 chris_n owen: any bug-fixes which make it into stable HEAD will be applied to 3.2.x 13:41 owen At what point does HEAD become 3.4.x ? 13:42 chris_n once 3.4 is released 13:42 chris_n we are shooting for keeping HEAD stable going forward 13:43 chris_n 3.2.x will not diverge from HEAD with the exception of new features 13:43 sekjal so 3.2.x will have new features that aren't in HEAD? 13:43 chris_n no 13:43 owen Oh now I'm really confused 13:44 chris_n 3.2.x will not have new features which may end up in HEAD 13:44 sekjal it seems to me that 3.2.x should be a proper subset (when looking at commits) of what's in HEAD 13:44 chris_n simply put, I will be cherry-picking bug-fixes from HEAD back into 3.2.x 13:45 chris_n correct 13:45 sekjal okay, good 13:45 chris_n only new features will not appear in 3.2.x 13:45 chris_n bug-fixes and things that are truly enhancements to existing features will appear in 3.2.x 13:45 sekjal and new features should all have their own branches, based of HEAD (or close to), right? 13:46 chris_n yup 13:46 sekjal why not add new features to 3.2.x, if they're ready in master? 13:46 chris_n new features should only make it into HEAD *after* they are stable 13:47 ebegin Hey! Why do we need to call zebraqueue deamon when the ModZebra function is called when a bib is modified? 13:47 chris_n sekjal: so we don't compete with 3.4 as well as the administrative burden of major changes often introduced by new features 13:48 sekjal chris_n: ah... I think I get it 13:48 sekjal it would be best not to have to retrain librarians when the upgrade from 3.2.0 to 3.2.1 13:48 ebegin sekjal, and new features as high probability to add new bugs 13:49 ebegin s/as/have/ 13:49 sekjal but upgrading 3.2.2 to 3.4, it makes sense to do more training 13:50 sekjal ebegin: but we're all going to write flawless code this time around, right? 13:50 * gmcharlt *snorts* 13:50 owen sekjal: What did you mean by a list you were "targeting" 13:51 sekjal owen: I've got several bugs on my to-tackle list that I'm hoping to have ready before 3.2.1 would be ready for release 13:51 owen gmcharlt: Aren't we agile enough? 13:51 sekjal bug 4945, for one 13:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library 13:51 ebegin yep, that why new features shouldn't be introduced in the beta/RC stage 13:51 sekjal bug 5266 is another 13:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results 13:51 chris_n perfect code! 13:52 ebegin We wish... Even the NASA, who spends thousands of $ in multistages of code review/approval, has bugs 13:52 owen That's the reason LEK has never been made public. The code is so perfect we'd go blind from gazing upon it. 13:53 ebegin A computer does what you tell it to do, not what you thing you tell it to do ;) 13:53 ebegin s/thing/think/ 13:54 sekjal owen: LEK is what's in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction 13:54 owen :D 13:54 ebegin about my question... why do we need to call rebuild_zebra every once a while again? 13:55 owen Which, incidentally, is how certain people can have been involved in open source ilses for "15 years" 13:56 sekjal Mercurian years? 13:56 gmcharlt ebegin: ModZebra just adds an entry to zebraqueue signalling that the record needs to be reindexed 13:56 gmcharlt it's rebuild_zebra.pl -z that actually does the indexing 13:56 ebegin gmcharlt, was it always like that? 13:57 gmcharlt yes - there has never been instantaneous direct updates of the zebra index 13:57 sekjal ... actually, Mercurian years would be about right, I think.... 13:57 gmcharlt are you thinking of NoZebra mode, perchance? 13:58 ebegin nope. in zebra mode... 13:59 ebegin I was using zebraqueue deamon for a while. I stopped it and when I save a record, the changes are indexed right away 13:59 ebegin what king of amazed me... 13:59 ebegin what kind of amazed me... 14:00 jwagner owen, as I stated yesterday and has been stated previously, the LEK code release is controlled by the terms of a contract we inherited. When the terms of that contract are fulfilled, the code will be released. I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to believe that simple statement of fact. 14:00 jwagner It's not something we can change. 14:01 owen jwagner: I'm just riffing on the statements made by Liblime's previous head, who condemned the entire open source Koha project as incompetent compared to Liblime's fabulous code 14:02 ebegin gmcharlt, but you are right, the ModZebra code just updates the zebraqueue table... what else coud force the update then...?!? 14:02 jwagner "Liblime's previous head" -- was not apparent from your comments. Thus, anyone who reads it would assume you were referring to us. This disturbs me. 14:03 jwagner As has also been said on multiple occasions, PTFS had no control over any of Liblime's actions before the purchase. Many of those actions were specifically hostile to us, in fact. We are now trying to repair the damage as well as supporting our current clients. 14:08 owen jwagner: Promises were made to me by Joshua Ferraro. Promises which are still unfulfilled. PTFS "bought" those promises along with Liblime. 14:08 owen One of those promises was: LEK will be released "soon" to the public 14:11 jwagner see statement above about contract status -- the client has to accept everything done under that contract before any of it can be released. We'd like very much to release what's already done, but we are not legally permitted to. 14:18 * druthb would love to settle all this business with a couple of "git push"es...but resuming homelessness and unemployment are not in her career goals. 14:21 owen druthb: I hope for PTFS developers' sake that someone is keeping a LEK repo synced with HEAD 14:21 owen But "Harley" suggests that this is not the case 14:22 druthb LEK is quite a bit farther behind. An artifact that we inherited in an already-bad state, and getting progressively worse. It's an issue I raise very regularly--for both repos--in our dev meetings. 14:23 owen I'm glad you're keeping the issue on the table 14:24 druthb getting either one up to a 3.2 base is going to be a non-trivially-hard bit of work, that will take our seriously-underpowered dev team a good bit of effort to do. I keep saying so... 14:35 SJeffery Alright, where is that page that lists all of the Koha demo sites? 14:35 owen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases 14:37 owen Does Liblime even support "Koha Community" anymore? 14:37 SJeffery In what sense? 14:37 owen It's not important SJeffery, just musing. 14:38 SJeffery It is important:) 14:39 owen At one time Liblime offered its customers an out-of-date version of the official Koha release, calling it "Koha Community" 14:39 owen ...as an alternative to their Koha forks. 14:40 owen I know some Liblime customers are now on "Harley", so I assumed that "Koha Community" was being phased out 14:40 SJeffery Ah. I will find out in the very near future, we are supposed to start using them in the very near future and will need to talk to them about available versions. 14:52 owen Hi nengard 14:53 nengard howdy all 14:53 druthb hi, nengard 14:53 nengard just got back from PT and am happy to get to just sit here and not move my legs!! :) 14:57 SJeffery I know that feeling. 14:58 nengard i'd rather be napping ... but hey i'll take sitting :) hehe 14:59 SJeffery I'd rather be napping, but I am at work, grr. 15:09 cyrixbmx I have a question. I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english. Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file? Excuse me f 15:09 cyrixbmx or my poor english. 15:10 briceSanc http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281 15:10 munin 04Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time 15:10 briceSanc the fix for bug 5281 is out ! 15:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time 15:11 jcamins SJeffery: interesting message in response to your message on AUTOCAT. 15:13 jcamins I am still inclined to use a 773/774 combination, with kf's awesome linking enhancements, though. If you treat analytics as a series, you have a problem with item records (assuming you want item records, of course). 15:15 mib_0obl6 Hello all - I get the error below when I enable XSLDetailDisplay and XSLResultsDisplay, they problem I think is the "koha-tmpl" path, any ideas? 15:16 mib_0obl6 Could not create file parser context for file "../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl": No such file or directory at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/XSLT.pm line 16 15:16 owen What version mib_0obl6 ? 15:17 mib_0obl6 3.06 15:18 wizzyrea o yes, this seems familiar to me 15:18 mib_0obl6 me too - :-) 15:18 wizzyrea does the file exist? 15:20 wizzyrea if it doesn't, you might be able to put in the version from git, I recall having this problem a few months ago myself 15:20 mib_0obl6 nope, not in koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt but just ../opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt 15:20 mib_0obl6 but can find where or why its looking to that path 15:21 wizzyrea what is the directory above opac-tmpl 15:21 wizzyrea in your install 15:22 mib_0obl6 htdocs 15:23 mib_0obl6 which I think is the norm....isn't it? 15:23 wizzyrea hm. Did you do the dev install or standard install? 15:23 mib_0obl6 standard.....it was an upgrade thought, from 3.05, which is concerning me a little 15:24 mib_0obl6 so the original install was standard 15:24 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, still working through it. I am creating a record in OCLC for a proceedings (the 4th in this series) right now, then will do an analytic of one of the articles as an example. I have everything done but the series stuff right now. Btw, do you have any examples of how Koha displays an enhanced 505? Trying to figure out if it is worth doing enhance 15:24 wizzyrea hm shouldn't matter (shouldn't) 15:24 jcamins SJeffery: at the moment Koha doesn't really do enhanced 505s. 15:25 SJeffery *sigh* Adds that to the list 15:25 SJeffery Does it at least display them? 15:25 jcamins I'm not sure. 15:25 jcamins Let me check. 15:25 * chris_n moves over Release Team pages from the old wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Community_Roles 15:25 SJeffery Having a hell of a time with all the demo sites out there for some reason, might just be our proxy though. 15:26 chris_n I've also begun moving over the current release team proposals; they are linked to in the aforementioned page 15:26 mib_0obl6 wizzyrea: do you know where the parser gets the path from? 15:26 jcamins SJeffery: it shows $t only. 15:26 jcamins However, that would be a really easy fix. 15:27 jcamins Actually, complete support for enhanced 505s would be very easy. 15:27 wizzyrea I don't, actually. a temporary way around it is to turn off xslt for the OPAC 15:27 wizzyrea not as purty, but at least functional 15:27 SJeffery jcamins: Yeah, not sure why it isn't already in there. Just a formatted display would be easy enough. 15:27 mib_0obl6 I know, but I need the XSLT on to get the display the way I want 15:28 jcamins SJeffery: I suspect because so few libraries enhance their 505s. 15:28 jcamins mib_0obl6: let me check something. Hold on. 15:28 mib_0obl6 sure 15:30 SJeffery jcamins: I don't get that...I mean, if you are spending the time to put in a 505 it should be only add a little bit more time to do it enhanced (compared to the overall record creation time), and it isn't like more than .1% of books would ever need it. 15:30 jcamins intrahtdocs 15:30 owen OPAC XSLT is working for me in my 3.0.x test install 15:30 LBA Just popped in and saw the happy news! Congrats to all! 15:30 owen It's ahead of 3.0.6, but I'm not sure what's different 15:30 jcamins mib_0obl6: that was in answer to your question. 15:31 owen Thanks LBA! 15:31 jcamins mib_0obl6: actually, make that opachtdocs 15:32 mib_0obl6 opachtdocs ? 15:32 jcamins SJeffery: if you don't collect conference proceedings, you don't need any fields other than $t. 15:32 jcamins It looks like that's the syspref... not that I can figure out how to edit it. 15:33 SJeffery Jcamins: It is like finding out the easter bunny is not real....that "professional catalogers" take shortcuts and make mistakes in records like the rest of us. 15:34 jcamins SJeffery: heh. I suppose a bit. 15:34 gmcharlt SJeffery: yep, alas, the typo-free cataloging gods no longer live among us 15:35 jcamins Did they ever? 15:35 mib_0obl6 I think I might be onto something. The syspref.sql that is run from the installer has that path above (koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl) 15:35 mib_0obl6 at least I can see where it came from now 15:36 jcamins Anyway, my wife's here to join me for lunch (she's been staying with my parents all week, so I haven't seen her since Sunday), so I will rejoin this conversation a bit later. 15:36 SJeffery Cya 15:37 mib_0obl6 slán 15:42 kf bye all 15:42 chris_n sekjal: for an outline of my plans for 3.2.x maintenance, see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3_2_x_Release_Maintainer 15:43 kf chris_n: why do you have to post that now? I can't leave if interesting things happen :) 15:43 gmcharlt chris_n++ 15:43 chris_n kf: I only moved it over from the old wiki 15:44 chris_n many good things are still over there which need to be moved 15:44 sekjal thanks, chris_n! 15:44 kf I am not sure I ge the time frame 15:45 kf From 3.2.stable to 3.4.stable Release once every 30 days or as bug fixes are available whichever is longer. 15:45 kf so 3.2.x are released every 30 days? 15:45 chris_n correct 15:45 kf From 3.4.stable to X.X.stable ? 15:45 chris_n assuming there are bug-fixes in that timeframe 15:45 kf yep 15:46 LBA Picking up on someone else's question about whether PTFS/Liblime supports ANY clients on official Koha...I've asked John Yokley AND Northwest Arkanasa Community College whether they were actually on official Koha or Harley or LEK but have not gotten a clear answer. Marshall Breeding report states "...Liblime is the provider for their neew ILS of choice, Koha." I asked Marshall...he doesn't know either. 15:46 kf what about the second line? 15:46 chris_n X is unknown 15:46 chris_n "to be decided" 15:46 kf ? 15:47 chris_n will it be 3.6 or 3.8... we will make that decision at a later point in time 15:47 chris_n basically it will be determined by how long we decide that 3.2.x should be maintained 15:47 kf so you aim for a 90 days cycle between major releases? 15:47 chris_n correct 15:47 kf ah 15:47 kf thx :) 15:47 chris_n at some point we will end-of-life 3.2.x 15:48 owen LBA: That's one of the problems with Marshall Breeding's announcements, he doesn't ask questions about actual versions in use 15:48 owen If PTFS says "Koha," he reports Koha. 15:48 cyrixbmx I have a question. I uploaded the file "fr-CA-pref.po" who have a size of 146 000 bytes in the folder "src/misc/translator/po" and after I execute this command "./translate -p install fr-CA" but the command change my file "fr-CA-pref.po" and the new file have 89 000 bytes and have no traduction. Since the file "fr-CA-pref.po" have no traduction then my interface is in english. Why the command "./translate -p install fr-CA" change my file? Excuse me f 15:48 cyrixbmx or my poor english. 15:48 kf ok. leaving now :) bye al! 15:49 LBA If it says "Koha" it had better not be LEK or Harley...just sayin' 15:49 owen LBA: I'd be surprised if any of the "Koha" migrations PTFS has announced are real Koha installations 15:51 wizzyrea afaik LEK is only in use by current customers, new folks are using PTFS Master (but I don't work there, I don't really know) 15:52 owen And "PTFS Master" is built on Harley? 15:55 wizzyrea that would be my experience, yes. 16:09 brendan morning all 16:09 rhcl_away hi brendan 16:12 nengard keep forgetting the -s in my sign off patches 16:12 nengard so they're not really signed off on 16:12 nengard sorry for the duplicate emails all 16:14 mib_0obl6 Hi, again.....I have managed to find my problem with the XSLTDisplay and Results page. The systempreference table has a path to the XSL file which was incorrect, however, I can't seem to figure out what path it should be 16:14 mib_0obl6 pointing to....any ideas? 16:22 mib_0obl6 Ah - never mind, fixed it without using relative paths, for some reason it didn't like them, so used absolute paths instead....working now! 16:30 SJeffery Jcamins: Back yet? Have an interesting cataloging question :) 16:34 cait hi #koha 16:35 * druthb hides behind cait. 16:35 cait hey :) 16:35 SJeffery mornin 16:35 cait *turns around so she is hiding behind druthb* 16:35 cait SJeffery not morning in my case - dinner time :) 16:36 owen Not morning, not dinner time, lunch time! 16:36 cait :) 16:37 magnus guten abend, cait & #koha 16:38 wizzyrea nengard: limesurvey is neat 16:38 nengard I KNOW!!! 16:38 nengard :) hehe 16:39 nengard I love it, it was one of the best open source finds in my book 16:39 cait hi magnus :) 16:41 fredericd gmcharlt: warning, 3.2 RC has kohaversion.pl indicating a 3.01.00.999 version 16:42 fredericd http://tinyurl.com/23toymx 16:42 owen gmcharlt said earlier, "it will flip to 3.02.00.000 (or 3.02.00.001, etc., in the unlikely event that DB updates are needed) upon general release" 16:43 fredericd thks owen 16:44 * magnus hopes nengard's book arrives before the trip to kohacon ;-) 16:51 nengard magnus - nengard hopes her book arrives before the trip as well :( 16:51 nengard yes that's right - the author still hasn't seen the book!!! 16:51 magnus ouch! 16:51 nengard i haven't seen it in print that is - of course I've editing it electronically 16:52 SJeffery What book? 16:52 nengard http://opensource.web2learning.net 16:52 nengard Practical Open Source Software for Libraries 16:52 magnus heh, you could have had a ghost writer, i guess ;-) 16:53 nengard not me - i'm too much of a control freak :) 16:54 jcamins SJeffery: now I'm back. 16:55 SJeffery Jcamins: Hey, just trying to figure out cataloging of the proceedings itself as a monograph. So if the conferece is the 111, should the exact same name be duplicated in the 490, 611, AND 811? 16:55 jcamins I would do the following: 16:56 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811. 16:59 jcamins Sorry, got called away for a moment. 17:00 jcamins Conference in 111 and 811. 490 would be the commonly-used name (for example "Coinage of the Americas Conference ; v. 10." 17:00 jcamins I probably would not put the conference in 611. 17:04 SJeffery The conference name is one of those two-parters with an acronym (MININ 2010 International Conference on Mining Innovation). Everything else I was putting under "International Conference on Mining Innovation" but put "MININ" for the 490? 17:05 jcamins That's what I'd probably do. 17:05 jcamins But with numismatics, people are more likely to *recognize* the abbreviation than the actual name. 17:08 SJeffery About 50/50 from what I have seen in mining 17:09 jcamins You could also use "International Conference on Mining Innovation" for the 490, of course. 17:13 chris morning 17:13 chris chris_n: thanks for the hudson fix 17:16 cait morning chris 17:19 SJeffery So I am thinking 111, 490, and 811 for the monograph record, then the same 490 and 811 + 773 for the in analytic records. That should display something almost sensible. 17:20 jcamins Yes. 17:24 jcamins SJeffery: make sure you use unique ID numbers of some sort (accession numbers are good). 17:24 reva Hi all, I just added a new shelving location in my Koha. Is there a two-step process to do that? : select the records to move and move them all in one go to the newly created shelving location? Thanks 17:25 jcamins At least per-volume, so you can link the 773 directly. 17:26 SJeffery Yeah, that is the plan. They will link in 773 to the OCLC number so should all be good (part of the reason I am creating the proceedings volume record first). 17:26 magnus morning chris 17:27 chris 12 days now magnus ? 17:27 SJeffery Heh, I left the huge 505 field in title case from the copying and pasting. Rather than spend 30 minutes changing it I think I will call it good enough:D 17:27 nengard 13 days here! 17:28 magnus lemme see, 7 workdays, 4 weekenddays = 11 days! 17:28 reva Anyone, is there a global way to move selected records to the newly created shelving location? 17:29 owen reva: Batch modification, under Tools 17:29 jcamins SJeffery: if you're familiar with ViM, it's really easy to change case in vi. ~ ;) 17:29 SJeffery Sadly, I am not. 17:29 cait 12 days :) 17:29 jcamins Of course, if you don't know vi, that's not a helpful suggestion. 17:29 * jcamins is very jealous of everyone who is going to NZ. 17:30 * owen too 17:30 magnus cait: you leave on tuesday too? i didn't count today... 17:31 cait flying on 19th 17:31 magnus cait: yup me too 17:31 cait ok, so it is 11 :) 17:31 chris means you get here on the 21st eh? 17:31 cait panic! 17:31 magnus chris: yeah! 17:31 cait chris: yes 17:32 cait will force magnus to have dinner with me (although he doesn't know yet... ;) ) 17:32 chris hehe 17:32 chris your hotel is in auckland city? 17:32 magnus will probably not be very hard to force... 17:32 cait magnus: perhaps you will want to sleep 17:32 reva Also, is there a way to order the z39.50 targets by the name? (It right now sorts by the addresses entered under Host Name). 17:32 magnus cait: who knows? ;-) 17:33 chris reva you can order them by rank 17:33 magnus chris: i guess we are staying at the hotel jo set up for the starting point of the road trip 17:33 chris ah righto 17:33 cait I still need to print out maps, timetables and such.. 17:33 chris my advice is try not to sleep until its actually sleep time if you can 17:33 magnus don't remember the name, better figure that out before we leave... ;-) 17:33 chris hehe yes 17:34 nengard we got a flight into Wellington - no stop in aukland so we're skipping the road trip 17:34 magnus someone said not to sleep the night before leaving too? 17:34 nengard what??? 17:34 nengard I'm sleeping the night before 17:34 chris oh, i dont do that 17:34 chris yeah 17:34 nengard and i'm sleeping between the flight to CA and the one to NZ 17:34 chris you dont wanna miss your flight cos you fall asleep hehe 17:35 chris but trying to get onto nz time as soon as you can 17:35 chris helps 17:35 jcamins magnus: I thought it was the other direction that you're supposed to stay up the night beore? 17:35 jcamins *before 17:35 * cait is getting confused now 17:35 imp :D 17:35 * magnus me too 17:35 cait thx imp 17:36 * cait pokes imp 17:36 imp cait: you'll have nearly 2x 12h to sleep while flying 17:36 * nengard says to sleep when you need to sleep :) 17:36 reva Ok cait, got it. How about my question for moving a batch of records to a newly created location? 17:36 * jcamins agrees with nengard 17:36 cait ? 17:36 magnus so then it's get up at 0500 on the 19th and try not to sleep until the evening of the 21st... yeah, right ;-) 17:36 nengard i'm sitting mr nengard next to sekjal on the plane so that the boys can talk while i sleep :) 17:37 reva sorry, i read it as cait, Thanks chris. 17:37 jcamins magnus: no, I don't think that's right. 17:37 magnus jcamins: no don't sound quite right... ;-) 17:37 druthb nengard: as long as you don't snore or do something amusing looking while you sleep, that's a good plan. if you do, they'll be talking *about you* for all those hours.. 17:38 druthb not to make you paranoid or anything... 17:38 chris what i do, and this works for me, so take it or leave it 17:38 nengard druthb they can talk about whatever they want as long as i get to sleep :) hehe 17:38 chris is set my watch to destination time as soon as im on the plane 17:38 cait druthb: but will you ever see those people again? probably not, so they can talk all tehy want 17:38 nengard cait, my hubby and sekjal - i'll see them a lot :) 17:39 druthb her husband and teammate? 17:39 chris and try to match with that 17:39 jcamins I'm looking it up, but isn't 0500 in Europe late afternoon in NZ? 17:39 nengard chris that makes sense 17:39 cait perhaps there is one advantage of flying alone 17:39 chris and i wouldnt do it until i left LA 17:39 chris if i was coming from europe 17:39 magnus cait: ,-) 17:39 nengard i think i might go sitr crazy if i have to fly 20 hours alone ... 17:40 magnus chris: yeah, i think that sounds like good advice 17:40 cait 19:48 here now 17:40 cait nengard: hmpf! 17:40 jcamins Yes, 0500 in Copenhagen is 1600 in Auckland. 17:40 cait don't make me stay here last minute 17:40 nengard LOL- cait you'll be fine!!! 17:40 hdl good time of day. 17:40 druthb wait...nengard, you mean you're not *already* stir-crazy? 17:40 hdl see you 17:41 cait I will get crazy and magnus will be the first person having to deal with it ;) 17:41 magnus oh no 17:41 chris hdl: cya later 17:41 nengard druthb - this is true - but imagine all my energy stuck on a plane??? 17:41 druthb lucky magnus! 17:41 druthb nengard: the same cure as works for small children would do nicely; you're not very big, after all. 17:42 magnus i arrive early on the 21st, and cait arrives much later, i think, so i will have some time to find good places in auckland to hide... 17:42 chris magnus: if you find out the hotel name, i can tell you if you can take the cheap bus into town to get to it :) 17:43 nengard druthb - what's that? i dose myself with dramamine and it knocks me out - but not for that long a flight 17:43 druthb Duct tape, nengard. It's the ultimate cure-all. 17:43 * cait pouts 17:44 druthb magnus is lucky, cait, because he gets to see you at all. I, unfortunately, do not. 17:44 jcamins druthb: heh. 17:44 magnus druthb: hee hee 17:44 nengard druthb that's just mean!! - for me - not for the kids - go ahead and duck tape the kids!! 17:45 chris kids are never the problem on the plane 17:45 * druthb chuckles evilly. 17:45 chris rude adults are ten times worse 17:45 magnus chris: says Mercure here: http://koha-community.org/kohacon2010-roadtrip/ but i wonder if that was changed... 17:45 chris arm rest hoggers!!! 17:45 cait druthb: kohacon in washington next year? ;) 17:45 chris i hate thm 17:46 nengard i have like 4 conferences in washington a year 17:46 cait magnus: thre was a blog comment from jo 17:46 druthb I'd be all over that, cait. local tour guide girl, me! 17:46 jcamins I've only been to DC a half dozen times. 17:47 chris magnus: http://www.airbus.co.nz/ 17:47 druthb nengard: s/conferences in washington/chances to get picked on by druthb/ 17:47 * magnus has never been to the US at all... 17:47 nengard magnus you so have to come to a US Kohacon then!!! 17:47 jcamins Not counting the two times I sat on a train in DC while they changed engines. 17:47 nengard druthb --- tempting 17:47 jwagner Come on over! I have a spare bed or two... 17:47 wizzyrea I don't think any of you are on the plane with us... lucky for you probably ;) 17:47 chris magnus: reason 2 is great 17:47 chris wizzyrea: you are an arm rest hogger? 17:48 wizzyrea lol no, I have a 2 year old ;) 17:48 nengard wizzyrea your spud is adorable - that's a kid I don't mind being stuck on a plane with 17:48 nengard :) 17:48 wizzyrea and I'd rather not duct tape him 17:48 wizzyrea now, dramamine... we might have something there. 17:48 wizzyrea ;) 17:49 chris magnus: the airbus will save you about 40$ 17:49 druthb oh, sure, she won't use The Force on her child, but she will use drugs. 17:49 cait chris: I think it's http://www.presidenthotel.co.nz/index.html 17:49 chris ah ha 17:49 magnus chris: tripit says "Best Western President Hotel Lodging" 17:50 wizzyrea Oh, I use the force on him all the time: "your eyes are getting heavy, you are drifting off to dreamland..." repeat x100 17:50 chris cool looking up the timetables now 17:51 jcamins wizzyrea: does it work? 17:51 druthb hee hee...that's the weak forces of the universe...The Force is duct tape: it has a light side, and a dark side, and it binds the galaxy together. 17:52 magnus the force is duct tape and the duct tape is Perl, right? 17:52 chris yeah you can do it by bus :) 17:53 magnus chris: cool 17:54 chris http://tinyurl.com/26fbx96 17:56 cait cool 17:56 chris will cost $16nz 17:56 chris taxi would be more like $60nz 17:56 chris at least 17:57 magnus chris: wow, thanks, that is so cool! 17:57 imp no pickup service from the hotel? 17:57 chris some of the 5stars do that 17:57 chris however you are definitely paying for it, in you 8 million a night room 17:58 imp :D 17:58 chris magnus: i always just ask the driver to tell me when its my stop 17:58 imp hm, pickup service was from the rent-a-car-thingy *remembers* 17:59 chris and sit up near them, they are pretty friendly 18:00 magnus chris: sounds doable 18:00 chris more money for sightseeing that way :) 18:01 chris or buying caits dinner :-) 18:02 magnus but that's what the expense account is for, you know... 18:04 chris business dinner huh :) 18:04 chris hey nate 18:04 cait ;) 18:04 cait hi Nate 18:05 chris whats crackalacking ? 18:05 Nate hi everyone demonstrating the 18:05 Nate irc 18:05 * chris has no idea what that actually means, but it sounds good 18:05 Nate koha chat at the ILA conference 18:05 wizzyrea jcamins: sometimes :) 18:05 chris ahh cool 18:05 sekjal hello Idaho librarians! 18:05 chris hello from new zealand 18:05 wizzyrea hi from kansas, idahoans! 18:06 owen Hi from Ohio! 18:06 Nate everyone says 18:06 nengard hi from PA 18:06 Nate hi 18:06 cait hi from Germany :) 18:06 wizzyrea hm, today we are somewhat lacking in super vexing issues we are trying to solve :) 18:07 jcamins Shall we discuss series tracings? 18:07 nengard all too busy thinking about our NZ trips 18:07 owen the person who isn't going to NZ noticed :P 18:07 * wizzyrea shudders. 18:07 chris hehe 18:07 wizzyrea can we not and say we did? 18:07 sekjal working on a new development, but keeping my eyes in #koha 18:07 jcamins I thought that would inspire recollection of other issues. ;) 18:07 chris jcamins: can i make you think about it, so i dont have to? 18:07 wizzyrea I'm getting ready to do a clean standard install of koha from the tarball 18:07 SJeffery Oh yes, lets discuss series tracings:D 18:07 chris yay 18:08 chris i did one yesterday that worked smooth 18:08 jcamins chris: I'll do it out loud in #koha though. :P 18:08 SJeffery Lets wait until I get home and can consume a certain refreshment though:D 18:08 LBA Hi Nate, IRC is awhirl with 3.2 excitement 18:08 cait my solution is here: 18:08 SJeffery I still don't even understand sreies tracings:D 18:08 cait http://github.com/kfischer/Koha/tree/bug_4506_xslt 18:08 chris oh look caits already fixed it 18:08 cait comments welcome ;) 18:09 jcamins SJeffery: probably wise. 18:09 cait I will have sample records ready by tomorrow 18:09 brendan Hi Nate - from California 18:09 chris cait: you should put your repo on the list on the koha wiki (unless you have already) 18:10 cait no, I haven't 18:10 cait but I would have to edit a mediawiki site to do that... 18:10 chris ill do it for you then :) 18:11 chris but now i have to go have breakfast before work 18:11 chris bbiab 18:11 cait *sighs* now I feel guilty enough to add it myself 18:12 magnus cait: it's fun! 18:13 cait I am a dokuwiki person 18:13 magnus cool, i'm definitely a mediawiki person ;-) 18:14 magnus just copy one of the others... 18:16 magnus cait: well done! 18:16 cait hmpf! 18:16 wizzyrea lol you two crack me up 18:17 cait ;) 18:19 magnus oh no, wizzyrea is craking up, get the duct tape! 18:19 cait lol 18:20 wizzyrea super glue might work better 18:20 cait never ever give me super glue 18:20 magnus ? 18:21 cait clumsy 18:21 cait will glue myself to things 18:21 cait :) 18:21 cait duct tape is much more secure 18:23 wizzyrea ...what are you trying to fix exactly!! 18:23 chris_n can anyone confirm that the JS on addbiblio.pl is screwed up? 18:23 chris_n in the latest HEAD that is 18:23 owen What are you seeing chris_n? 18:23 chris_n cait++ # duct tape :) 18:24 chris_n owen: no tabs, z3950 button does not work, etc 18:24 chris_n hmm... 18:24 chris_n catch w/o any try 18:24 chris_n js error 18:24 * owen isn't seeing any problem 18:24 owen What triggers the problem? 18:24 chris_n line 1886 18:25 chris_n just loading the page here 18:25 * owen is sorry he didn't take Spanish now 18:25 chris_n heh 18:25 jcamins Likewise. 18:27 wizzyrea ooOOoo 18:28 wizzyrea popped into the limesurvey channel to thank them for their work (limesurvey is cool, y'all) and they have a NIFTY bot 18:28 wizzyrea Check this out: 18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p] c_schmitz: 18:28 wizzyrea update? 18:28 wizzyrea [1:36p] 18:28 wizzyrea limebot 18:28 wizzyrea : 18:28 wizzyrea Instructions for upgrading your installation can be found at http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php?page=Upgrading+from+a+previous+version 18:28 wizzyrea it's automatic! 18:29 wizzyrea if we had a bot that returned the faq for searching everytime someone typed "have you looked at the search faq?" that would roxxor my soxxors. 18:30 jcamins That would be pretty nice. 18:33 chris_n well, it works fine on my dev install, but is busted on the production box 18:37 chris_n ahh... syntax... my patch for bug 4867 adds an extra bracket 18:37 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness 18:37 chris happily enough, our resident spanish speaker, is the Koha team project manager and she is also an alfresco whiz 18:37 chris definitely will respond to that 18:37 owen Wow, meant to be 18:38 * chris_n sees that owen caught it and fixed it in the signed-off version which made it into head 18:38 chris_n owen++ 18:38 chris :) 18:39 * owen loves having done good stuff he no longer remembers doing 18:39 nengard wizzyrea that is pretty cool! 18:39 chris coopetition++ 18:39 wizzyrea nengard: i just told the limesurvey people about your book 18:39 wizzyrea :P 18:40 chris and chris_n and owen for demonstarting exactly the way sign offs should work 18:40 nengard aww shucks :) thanks 18:40 wizzyrea I figured they'd be interested to know that their tool had been featured in an actual published work 18:40 wizzyrea :) 18:41 chris by getting fix and signed off, it makes it into master .. otherwise it gets sent back to be fixed and resubmited, saved a bunch of time/work 18:41 chris owen++ 18:41 chris chris_n++ 18:41 chris also wizzyrea and nicole for the patch they did, it didnt need to bother the rm, until it was tested to apply clean 18:42 wizzyrea \o/ 18:45 chris bus time, back from the bus shortly 18:46 chris oh, and btw alfresco is cool 18:46 chris check it out 18:46 * chris wanders off 18:47 * owen had never heard of it before 18:48 magnus ooh, enterprise... 18:50 wizzyrea interesting that they have an enterprise and community version >.> 18:52 chris iirc its all around support levels 18:52 chris Like redhat 18:52 chris It does do good records management, and document management 18:53 chris Has lucence in the back 18:53 chris And has a ton of interfaces including cifs 18:53 chris So you can mount a store as a shared drive etc 18:54 chris It also can pretend to be sharepoint 18:56 chris But the bit I like best for my use 18:57 chris_n actually it was a bad tidy patch 18:57 chris Is it provides version control for docs in a nice interface and means working on rfp responses etc is a lot easier 18:57 wizzyrea ^^ that is hand 18:57 wizzyrea y 18:57 * chris_n must remember that you should not tidy tmpl files 18:58 chris And also the search .. I know I answered that in some rfp .. search found it 18:59 chris by making that easier for the ba's and pm's means less writing for me :) 19:00 chris Oh hey 19:00 cait chris: ba? 19:00 chris Business analyst 19:00 cait thx 19:01 chris think of them as a translator 19:01 chris To help make a spec both devs and client understand 19:02 chris That's what good ones do anyway 19:02 chris Bad ones just make more confusion :) 19:02 * LBA stepping away. Keep up the good work, all! 19:03 cait :) 19:09 wizzyrea chris_n, you rewrote the debian install instructions? 19:10 wizzyrea < is following them to the letter, we need to remember to add sudo apt-get update as one of the steps 19:11 wizzyrea at... 1.3 19:11 * wizzyrea will do it, if you like 19:11 Drl-Ulm Hello 19:11 wizzyrea heya 19:12 wizzyrea I am totally loving this new package installer thingie. WOWIE. 19:12 Drl-Ulm Really? I need to check that out. 19:13 wizzyrea mostly for new installs, but it's a lot easier than it used to be. 19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: that'd be great 19:13 wizzyrea (but, granted, it's been a while since I've done a completely cold install on a brand new server) 19:14 * magnus wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day of their choice 19:14 * wizzyrea is reminded of the movie ratatouille... "eet ees our job to 'follow zee recipee!'" 19:18 wizzyrea hmm. I am pondering adding "tweet this" to koha-community. Passé? 19:18 jcamins nengard is a big fan of Tweet this. 19:21 CGI849 Hola 19:22 CGI849 Quisiera hacer una consulta sobre koha 3.0 y Nozebra 19:22 SJeffery jcamins: OCLC 669060876 :D 19:23 CGI849 Hi, all 19:24 CGI849 Some speak spanish? 19:27 jcamins SJeffery: very nice. 19:27 jcamins What's it look like in Koha? 19:27 cait good night all :) 19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you have OCLC 19:28 * jcamins is jealous that you are able to spend the time to create records that nice 19:29 chris back 19:29 SJeffery jcamins: No clue, I don't have Koha yet (waiting on our accounting group). 19:29 SJeffery That one took me about six hours...have not done MARC cataloging in a year. 19:29 SJeffery I have no idea why the series link doesn't show in Worldcat though 19:30 SJeffery 811 that is 19:33 richard hi 19:33 * chris_n greets richard 19:33 richard hiya chris_n 19:34 chris hiya richard 19:34 richard and chris :) 19:34 chris_n @wunder 28334 19:34 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 27.0�C (3:18 PM EDT on October 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 19:34 chris_n wonderful day 19:35 wizzyrea chris_n: is there some reason we took out the part about *how* you need to edit ParserDetails.ini? 19:35 * wizzyrea knows that the right entry goes at the bottom, but not everyone would get that 19:36 * owen thunders, Ye who cannot edit ParserDetail.ini shall not enter! 19:36 * wizzyrea cowers in fear of owen 19:36 * chris_n does not remember removing anything 19:36 wizzyrea hrm. I swear I added that earlier this year. 19:36 chris_n does git blame it on me :) 19:36 wizzyrea lol, good question 19:37 chris_n josh wrote the debian stuff 19:37 * chris_n only updated the urls 19:37 wizzyrea maybe my fix never got in! 19:37 wizzyrea because I don't see it in there either 19:37 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=INSTALL.debian;h=cb38921d77213b07f09cc942a239f88b6672834c;hb=HEAD 19:37 jcamins I think it was missing all along. 19:38 * chris_n does not see liz in the list 19:38 * sekjal is coding up a barcode namespaces enhancement, and has met with success for patron barcodes. on to items... 19:38 chris_n cool 19:38 chris wizzyrea: if you can find it, resend it 19:38 * chris_n hands sekjal an icecream cone 19:38 jcamins Oh no! A kitten died?!? 19:39 gmcharlt never made the trip, as far as I can see 19:39 wizzyrea I will see if I still have it 19:39 sekjal mmmm, ice cream 19:39 chris_n seems some kittens die of lack of attention 19:40 jcamins Will saying "I believe in kittens" bring them back to life? 19:41 wizzyrea aha! 19:41 wizzyrea feb 10 2010 19:41 wizzyrea I sent it 19:41 * jcamins pictures zombie kittens roaming about mewing "brains, brains" 19:42 wizzyrea buuut from that far back, will it apply? 19:42 wizzyrea if I send it again? 19:42 wizzyrea granted that was right before the great list migration 19:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sec 19:42 wizzyrea there were about 4 of them 19:43 wizzyrea that addressed this exact issue, I admit that I never went back and checked that they made it in 19:43 * wizzyrea hangs her head in shame 19:43 gmcharlt still not finding it 19:44 wizzyrea ok, I will send it again 19:44 * chris_n pats wizzyrea on the shoulder and tells her it's ok 19:44 chris it might have gone to patches@koha.org and not made it .. it did happen 19:44 chris not often, but sometimes the spam thing caught them 19:45 jcamins Time to close up. 19:45 jcamins Good night, #koha 19:45 chris cya jcamins 19:46 wizzyrea haha, and I added the bit about the apt sources in feb too. 19:46 * wizzyrea facepalms. 19:46 SJeffery argh, second building evac for a fire alarm this week...why does it only happen when I am on the phone with a vendor? 19:46 wizzyrea ... depends on the vendor, maybe the universe is telling you something 19:47 SJeffery Vendor this time was OCLC, so probably that I am going to burn in hell. 19:47 jcamins_a Sounds about right. (and now I'm really going) 19:47 * chris_n takes his headache and heads home 19:49 * gmcharlt barely resists temptation to add SJeffery's last statement to the quotes database 19:49 SJeffery Be nice or I won't contribute code enhancements related to series and analytics to the repository. 19:51 gmcharlt heh 19:51 chris @quote show 95 19:51 munin chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. 19:51 chris @quote get 95 19:51 munin chris: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010) 19:51 wizzyrea @quote get 95 19:51 munin wizzyrea: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010) 19:51 chris i still like that one :) 19:52 wizzyrea @quote random 19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009) 19:52 SJeffery Worse, I will start asking cataloging questions and having discussions about trivial cataloging topics with jcamins all day long. 19:52 wizzyrea hehe, i forgot about that one 19:52 wizzyrea @quote random 19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 11:13 AM, October 16, 2009) 19:52 wizzyrea @quote random 19:52 munin wizzyrea: Quote #71: "cait: hm it works now and I have no idea why :)" (added by chris at 03:47 PM, April 08, 2010) 19:53 wizzyrea @quote random 19:53 munin wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) 19:53 owen ?? 19:53 wizzyrea ah, those were the days 19:53 wizzyrea dunno owen, that was added like, a year ago 19:54 wizzyrea @quote random 19:54 munin wizzyrea: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 11:50 AM, July 31, 2009) 19:56 wizzyrea should I be concerned that the first line after running the Makefile is "unable to locate koha-conf.xml at <path>? Is that informational or an error? 19:56 wizzyrea (it looks like an error) 19:56 chris interesting, i never got that 19:56 wizzyrea this is from the tarball 19:57 wizzyrea not git 19:57 chris and thats running perl Makefile.PL eh 19:57 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/EOmvHQelh9m 19:57 wizzyrea yes sir 19:57 chris ill try again 20:00 wizzyrea fwiw I have been following the instructions to the letter (only deviating when there is something left out, such as apt-get update 20:01 owen wizzyrea++ # for following instructions to the letter ;) 20:01 wizzyrea well, I want to know if new users can do it :P 20:02 chris interesting 20:03 chris ah yeah, thats ignorable 20:03 chris i must have just done that 20:03 wizzyrea k good 20:03 wizzyrea ONWARD! 20:03 owen But it indicates a problem with the install process? 20:04 chris sort of 20:04 chris but not really 20:04 chris C4::Context always looks for a config file 20:04 wizzyrea is it looking for a config file it hasn't generated yet? 20:04 chris yes 20:04 owen Some might take such an error to mean that they should reinstall the operating system 20:05 chris but trapping it would mean that when using it later, it will not error when it should 20:05 chris its a warn 20:05 chris ends up in apache logs usually 20:05 wizzyrea hrm. 20:05 chris but on your screen in this case 20:06 chris warn "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml" 20:06 chris is the precise bit 20:06 chris we could take that warn out 20:07 chris but its actually pretty handy all the time 20:07 chris except the install 20:07 wizzyrea Maybe just make an additional text note in Makefile.PL 20:07 wizzyrea ? 20:08 chris im wondering how long it has been doing it 20:08 wizzyrea "We can't find it because it's not created yet!" 20:08 wizzyrea I have never noticed it, but I admit that I haven't been paying *that* close of attention 20:09 wizzyrea most new users choose standard, because it's the default, correct? 20:09 chris yep 20:10 chris and because they wont have a git repo 20:41 ebegin I know that question come back over and over again, but how the tmp_holdqueue table gets populated? 20:41 gmcharlt ebegin: misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl 20:42 wizzyrea ebegin: thanks for asking that question, I had the same one from the other end: I wanted to know where build_holds_queue kept it's data 20:43 * wizzyrea formulates an evil plan 20:43 ebegin hehe :) 20:44 chris :) 20:47 ebegin Is there a reason why we are not using the reserves table? performance issue? 20:47 chris we do, for actual reserves 20:48 chris this is just a report 21:50 SJeffery Don't you love it when you notice the conversations started with you over the last six hours that you totally did not notice. 21:57 chris heh