IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-28

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00:00 chris_n darling: looks like he's brendan_l atm
00:00 darling ah
00:00 darling thanjks
00:01 darling brendan_l,  does bywater have a voip phone system by any chance?
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00:18 brendan_l at the moment we don't
00:19 brendan_l @wunder 93117
00:19 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 33.9�C (5:23 PM PDT on September 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling).
00:19 wasabi darling: does skype count? :)
00:19 brendan_l darling we don't have voip - we do use skype ;)
00:20 brendan_l bywater just has a 1800 number that we forward to cell phones
00:21 darling brendan_l, i guess there's worse things than skype
00:21 darling we're wanting to probably get a phone call together tomorrow if possible
00:21 darling I'll send you mail to explain
00:22 brendan_l cool
00:22 brendan_l
00:22 darling so -- you're in western US?
00:22 brendan_l I am about 5hours ahead of NZ on the clock but 19 hours behind by date
00:22 darling right
00:23 darling and we just had a time change here
00:23 darling hate that
00:23 darling my wife blames Reagan
00:23 brendan_l ah how recent was that?
00:23 darling night before last
00:23 brendan_l maybe we are only fours hours now
00:24 brendan_l it's 5:30 pm
00:24 darling she's never liked Reagan but I'm with her on that
00:24 brendan_l agreed
00:24 darling ok, cool - is 1:30pm here right now
00:24 darling do you think Nicole would be available also?
00:25 darling I'll drop you a note and you can decide what makes sense.
00:25 brendan_l we just recently went to his presidential  library nearby -  cooliest thing was the had an old air-force one airplane there
00:26 darling nice
00:26 brendan_l but besides that we didn't like all the other stuff
00:26 darling i guess they do have to swap those out from time to time -- always think of it as one plane
00:26 darling hehe
00:26 brendan_l time to enjoy the sun for a bit
00:27 darling g'nite
00:27 * brendan_l will look for the email - when I'm back
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02:47 wasabi a bouncy net day for TCL-NZ users...
02:51 darling like every other day for TCL-NZ peeps?
02:51 brendan_l so is "The Hobbit" ever going to start filming?
02:51 darling heh
02:51 darling maybe
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03:19 brendan_l hey amit
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04:07 cait good morning #koha
04:07 brendan_l heya cait
04:08 cait hi brendan
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04:15 wasabi brendan_l: my friend started working on hobbit furniture stuff this week...
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06:15 cait @karma xslt
06:15 munin cait: Karma for "xslt" has been increased 2 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -2.
06:16 cait xslt++
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06:34 chris awesome, i was trying to keep up with reading emails and i still have 164 new ones to read
06:40 cait hi chris
06:40 cait I got up at 6 am today to finish my record control number links ;)
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06:41 cait almost finished now
06:42 cait :)
06:42 cait ok, work time -bbl!
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07:17 ivanc good morning #koha
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07:40 kf hi #koha
07:41 ivanc hi kf
07:41 kf hi ivanc
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07:47 kf morning magnus
07:48 magnus guten morgen kf & #koha
07:51 ivanc hi magnus
07:51 magnus hiya ivanc
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09:31 chris *sigh*
09:36 magnus ouch?
09:38 chris another harley question on the list
09:38 magnus yeah, saw that...
09:39 slef one day I will catch up with the list, but I got tired of posting variations on "what does it say on your about page?"
09:39 slef At least has the decency to support our own fork until it is merged back into mainline... which I really need to progress on, once this bloody hardware stops messing me about.
09:45 chris i hate hardware
09:47 magnus ditto
09:51 mib_sq7uz I am trying to figure out how Koha all hangs's difficult......does anyone know if I can get to the raw data before the stylesheet is applied?
09:52 mib_sq7uz e.g. <xsl:for-each select="$available_items[generate-id() = generate-id(key('item-by-status-and-branch', concat(items:status, ' ', items:homebranch))[1])]">
09:53 mib_sq7uz how can I get to the place that defines the $available_items etc?
09:54 slef chris: the co-op is very much the hardware supplier of last resort. Other suppliers were only willing to provide Windows black box systems.
09:54 slef mib_sq7uz: read the code?
09:55 mib_sq7uz slef: :-)
09:56 slef mib_sq7uz: seriously: grep -rn available_items catalogue # or whatever bit of koha is using that.
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10:00 kf mib_sq7uz: you are looking at an xslt variable, it is defined somewhere in the xslt stylesheet
10:00 kf not sure what you are searching for
10:06 magnus mib_sq7uz: might help
10:07 slef I think mib_sq7uz is hoping for an schema or something which would allow its definition.
10:07 slef for the input to the xslt
10:26 mib_sq7uz caught up on something there.......slef: That is what I was hoping for, a document base which might reference that sort of thing.
10:26 mib_sq7uz I realise you guys are doing enough work building the app so I don';t mean to sound ungreatful
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11:32 kf Error -1?
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11:56 mib_sq7uz just noticed that when adding multiple tags with the same subtag, e.g 650 $a, that Koha doesn't repeat the 650 tag, instead adds it to the existing one. This is a bug.....has anyone else noticed it, not in the bugs database#
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12:22 kf chris_n: around?
12:29 owen It says a lot about PTFS's actual willingness to play nice with the community that still promotes Harley as Koha.
12:30 chris_n heya kf
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12:44 kf chris_n: ah sorry
12:45 chris_n np, still here
12:45 kf chris_n: I was trying to create patron cards from the module, using the sample template and layout
12:46 kf but I always get an error or a pdf file I can't open :(
12:47 chris_n kf: open the pdf with a text editor and tell me the error indicated there
12:47 kf I am testing on my dev install now, I have a batch of patrons, HB-PC0001 and Test Layout, starting with 1
12:47 chris_n most likely you need the following two patches
12:47 chris_n[…]/heads/k_bug_5182
12:47 kf An Error has Occurred!     Error 500
12:47 chris_n[…]/heads/k_bug_5183
12:47 kf the koha error message
12:47 chris_n hmm
12:48 chris_n I've not seen that one
12:48 chris_n and that is what is inside of the corrupted pdf?
12:48 kf no, that's what happens in my dev install
12:48 kf my other install had the samples fiels not installed, so I added them manually
12:48 kf there the pdf can't be opened
12:49 kf I have not saved the file, let me redo it
12:49 chris_n yes, but open the pdf with a text editor such as vim
12:50 kf ok
12:50 kf hm
12:51 kf can't create it now, after I click on the pdf icon... nothing happens
12:51 kf the browser tab shows busy, but I get no result until our proxy timeout
12:52 chris_n I'm not sure what's wrong there; when I export a patron card batch using that template on HEAD, perl throws a hash ref related error
12:53 chris_n this is fixed by the patches I refer to above
12:53 kf ok
12:53 chris_n the error is inside the corrupted pdf
12:54 chris_n specifically it is: Not a HASH reference at /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.​3.2.labels\/patroncards/ line 144.
12:54 chris_n opps
12:54 chris_n an extra slash in there after 'labels', but you get the idea
12:55 kf chris_n: no pdf creation here - so perhaps a different problem :(
12:55 chris_n I cannot account for the 500 error
12:55 kf I am checking the logs now
12:55 chris_n maybe a file permission problem
12:56 kf hm perhaps graphics magick
13:03 mib_sq7uz anyone know how to stop the Collection description being truncated in the Item Details page? E.g collection  "Printable Collection A". Displays as "Printable C"
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13:10 owen Okay that one was just crappy internet
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13:12 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5183' into to-push <[…]c12bfa881e94b208f> / Merge remote branch 'koha-fbc/k_bug_5182' into to-push <[…]c6981cd3f602c138e> / Bug 5183 Incorrect hash dereferencing syntax causes an error to be thrown when attemp... <http://git
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13:14 * chris_n wonders if owen has taken up logbot's habits
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13:15 owen I seem to have. Similarly, I record everything everyone says for later reference.
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13:15 chris_n HA!
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13:46 OpenUser Afternoon....My Koha 3.06 has a problem with the Availability showing differently on the compared to the opac-detail screen. The former showing an item checked out, the latter as checked in. It should be Checked In.
13:46 OpenUser Any ideas where to start?
13:47 sekjal OpenUser: is you Zebra cronjob running, and if so, how often?
13:47 OpenUser yep, every 2 mins
13:48 sekjal and the zebrasrv process is running?
13:49 OpenUser yep: ps -ef > /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
13:51 sekjal do other changes reflect themselves?  If you added a title, say, and waited two minutes, would you be able to retrieve it with search?
13:52 OpenUser yeah, in fact, it would update itself sooner that the 2 minutes
13:53 sekjal in
13:53 OpenUser Yes.
13:54 sekjal huh
13:54 sekjal well, then it doesn't seem to be a zebra issue, which is the most common explanation for such behavior
13:54 OpenUser It's a little strange, isn't it?
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14:12 OpenUser even a complete rebuild of the indexes didn't solve the problem.....
14:13 kf1 OpenUser: did you change something in your items table, using sql?
14:15 OpenUser now that you mention it, yeah. Couple weeks ago I updated the homebranch as it's a Single Branch site and there was NULL values there. I ran the mainteaince script after though....
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14:16 kf ok, so this does not really explain your problem than
14:16 kf we have used the sync script too a couple of times and it worked without problems
14:17 OpenUser would you expect to see this problem if I did update the items table and didn't run the script?
14:17 kf I think if the items tabel adn the marc_xml part differ, you can see such things
14:18 kf koha someties uses the xml for display and sometimes the items table information
14:18 sekjal what does your items.onloan value say for the item in question, and is it the same as the biblioitem.marcxml's 952 field for that item?
14:18 OpenUser one minute.....I'll check
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14:20 jcamins Morning, #koha
14:20 kf hi jcamins
14:20 kf all cards printed?
14:21 jcamins No, but we planned them.
14:21 jcamins I'm printing them letterpress, so it'll take a while.
14:22 OpenUser items.onloan says it was onload back in June.......
14:24 OpenUser " biblioitem.marcxml's 952 field for that item".....can you help me out here? If I edit the same item the checked out date is the same as items.onloan and the type is LOANABLE
14:26 sekjal so the date in the 952$q is the same as the date in items.onloan?
14:28 OpenUser Sorry, I am a little confused. The bib for this record doesn't have a 952 tag. The item information (Bib>Edit>Item) shows the checked out date the same as the onloan date. Which is the last time it was checked out, but it has been checked back in since!
14:28 OpenUser or do you mean the biblioitem table?
14:28 jcamins Hm. The "Cataloging" tab is giving me an error.
14:28 kf biblioitems.marc_xml
14:29 sekjal I mean the biblioitem table, viewing the raw MARCXML
14:29 OpenUser yeah, just twigged that's what you meant now, once sec
14:29 OpenUser one sec
14:31 jcamins Okay, weird.
14:31 jcamins The error is only when I go from Local Use to Cataloging.
14:31 jcamins Ah.
14:31 jcamins Typo.
14:32 jcamins Should be "Cataloguing."
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14:32 OpenUser OK.....biblioitems.marcxml 952 $q = items.onloan
14:32 jcamins Someone remind me to write a patch tonight.
14:32 sekjal yes
14:32 kf jcamins: you want to have some fun? :)
14:32 jcamins :)
14:32 OpenUser So it that good or bad?
14:33 sekjal OpenUser: that's the correct mapping.
14:33 sekjal OpenUser:  what is the actual value for that specific item?
14:33 kf sekjal, jcamins: I have a branch with a lot of xslt work on $w links in records - I will try to get it in the public on the weekend
14:33 jcamins kf++
14:33 OpenUser <subfield code="q">2010-07-06</subfield>
14:34 sekjal OpenUser: and that's the same as your items.onloan value, I take it?
14:34 kf not sure it will work for others like for us, so I would really like it if you could look and make suggestions
14:34 OpenUser yes, exactly.
14:34 sekjal okay, so it's not a sync issue
14:34 sekjal and everything else updates normally... so it's not a Zebra issue
14:35 sekjal I'm really not sure what could be up with this.
14:35 OpenUser You can view it, if that helps!?
14:35 OpenUser Imean the OPAC
14:36 sekjal what's your OPACResultsXSLT system preference set to?
14:37 OpenUser It's set to ON
14:37 OpenUser Do you mean: XSLTResultsDisplay
14:37 OpenUser in OPAC
14:37 kf wizzyrea: around?
14:37 sekjal OpenUser, ah, I mean OPACXSLTResultsDisplay
14:37 sekjal though, that patch may not be in 3.0.6...
14:38 sekjal if not, then yes, I mean XSLTResultsDisplay
14:38 OpenUser Doesn't exist, 3.06?
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14:38 OpenUser OK, it's set to ON for XSLTResultsDisplay
14:38 sekjal link to OPAC?
14:39 OpenUser
14:39 OpenUser Search for "Architecture" then look at item 9
14:41 kf an outline of european architecture?
14:41 kf is available for me
14:41 sekjal okay, well, there is a logical inconsistency in your item data:  your date acquired is after the onloan date.
14:41 kf oh, that was number 8
14:41 * kf hides
14:41 OpenUser LOL
14:41 kf sorry :(
14:41 sekjal your system may think you lent the item before you every actually had it
14:42 OpenUser How's that?
14:42 sekjal the Date Acquired value (952$d) is 2010-09-07
14:43 sekjal so, your MARC record is showing the item was acquired in September, but was loaned in June and due in July
14:43 sekjal that doesn't make any sense, at least when thinking like a machine
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14:44 OpenUser OK....this DB was migrated from another system, so I can't guarentee the source. However, and this might sound silly, but does Koha look in that much detail when, i.e the MARC data tag of Purchased Date, before allowing circ rules etc......
14:44 OpenUser What I mean is, if I update this BIB to a purchased date in the past, do you think this will solve the problem!?
14:44 sekjal OpenUser: perhaps
14:45 sekjal it's the only thing I can think of right now
14:45 OpenUser OK..... I shall try it with this one I need to run anything other that Zebra when I make the change?
14:46 sekjal if you make the change with SQL, you'll need to sync
14:46 sekjal if you do it through the staff client, no
14:46 sekjal your cron will take care of it
14:46 OpenUser But thought Marc editor in the Staff?
14:46 OpenUser Actually, forget that last line!
14:52 owen What eerily familiar story:[…]ion-and-fork/7445
14:55 jcamins Who owns
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14:55 wizzyrea the document foundation
14:55 wizzyrea
14:55 wizzyrea kf: now I am
14:55 wizzyrea sup?
14:55 jcamins I was referring to the fact that their official website is .com.
14:55 jcamins But they own both.
14:56 wizzyrea I love this
14:56 wizzyrea A: LibreOffice is The Document Foundation's reason for existence. We do not have and will not have a commercial product which receives preferential treatment. We only have one focus - delivering the best free office suite for our users - LibreOffice.
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15:00 jcamins Welcome back, logbot.
15:01 OpenUser So, I updated the Purchased Date, ran the sync script, rebuild the zebra index and the problem remains......
15:02 owen Thanks for that OpenOffice link wizzyrea. It's a hard lesson, realizing you can't be beholden to any company even if their intentions seem to be good
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15:16 wizzyrea a lot of the rest are "not for loan"
15:16 wizzyrea owen: I thought it was instructive
15:17 wizzyrea and LibreKoha has kind of a nice ring to it ;)
15:17 wizzyrea though KohaLibre reminds me uncomfortably of a chubby man in a leotard.
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15:32 kf has someone a link to the git stats for 3.2? I think chris did something like that
15:32 kf looking for a picture to show how many people are involved
15:35 rhcl_away  <-- very interesting. I wasn't aware of these recent organizational developments. I've just finished installing OxygenOffice everywhere.
15:40 owen Q: And why are you calling the software "LibreOffice" instead of ""?
15:40 owen A: The trademark is owned by Oracle Corporation. Our hope is that Oracle will donate this to to the Foundation, along with the other assets it holds in trust for the Community
15:44 rhcl_away I'd be interested in a diff of the two codebases (OOo vs LO)
15:45 wizzyrea i'm about to install LO
15:45 wizzyrea icon's the same >.>
15:46 rhcl_away KohaLibre and LibreKoha are both hard to pronounce. I like Tiger Koha much better.
15:46 owen Tiger?
15:47 rhcl_away Strong imagery.
15:47 rhcl_away Mean
15:47 rhcl_away Tough
15:47 rhcl_away Dangerous
15:47 rhcl_away Wild
15:47 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
15:49 rhcl Of course, there is also IBM's Lotus Symphony.[…]ony/home.nsf/home
15:49 rhcl Played with it once, seemed a little slow. I though it was GPL'd, but the current license isn't immediately apparent to me from IBMs web site.
15:51 OpenUser Still struggling.......if I check the item out then back in again it updates something* and the two screens (results and details) now match. Weird!
15:54 OpenUser Anyway.....last one for the day! Any easy way to get the collection code on the OPAC results screen?
16:01 owen OpenUser: No
16:02 owen Collection code is generally considered to be an item-level piece of information
16:03 owen And the results screen shows mostly biblio-level information
16:03 jcamins Hey, when y'all are reminding me to write a patch for the sysprefs, remind me to investigate the authorities linking.
16:05 OpenUser Thanks Owen....
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16:10 wizzyrea ooh, they've already made some nice changes to the libreoffice interface
16:10 wizzyrea it's purtier
16:10 chris_n libreoffice...??
16:10 wizzyrea and faster
16:11 chris_n pretty and fast is nearly as nice as pretty and good :)
16:11 wizzyrea[…]ion-and-fork/7445
16:11 jcamins chris_n:
16:13 * chris_n wonders if he is hearing an echo or a prophecy here
16:13 * wizzyrea wondered it too
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16:14 * chris_n lowers his opinion of a foundation one more notch
16:15 chris_n "It was created in the belief that the culture born of an independent Foundation brings out the best in contributors and will deliver the best software for users."
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16:16 chris_n note the operative term here is "independent"
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16:25 kf jcamins: we have a lot of linked authorites
16:26 kf jcamins: or better a lot of authorities linked by $9 to the records
16:26 jcamins Right.
16:26 jcamins The problem I have is that the authority record contains fields that authority records shouldn't contain.
16:27 jcamins (subfield 'e' for personal names, for example)
16:29 jcamins And it'd be really nice if we supported subfield authorities.
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16:30 jcamins Is there any way to change the 003 field in all the records in my catalog at once?
16:31 jcamins Oh, I guess I could export them all, change them, and reimport.
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16:47 wizzyrea no facility in batch item edit to unset a status like "not for loan"
16:47 wizzyrea ?
16:47 wizzyrea or change it to <null>
16:48 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, created an authorized value, and make one of the options 0.
16:48 jcamins :)
16:48 wizzyrea OOOO
16:48 wizzyrea karma for you if that works
16:49 jcamins I think the batch edit doesn't work for one of the item fields, unfortunately.
16:49 wizzyrea mmm
16:49 jcamins Let's hope it's not the field you need to change.
16:50 wizzyrea no, I just need to change not for loan to loanable
16:51 wizzyrea alas
16:51 wizzyrea that doesn't work
16:51 jcamins :(
16:55 wizzyrea hmm
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17:07 reva Good afternoon y'all. I have a question regarding 245c in Koha 3.2. On the OPAC, does it show Title / Statement of Responsibility ? Because in my 3.0.6, 245c is set to show; but is showing only when I do the Card view (OPAC) and ISBD view (Staff side). The customary practice seems to be to have it show in the normal view also(Look at LCCN : 95169646 )
17:08 jcamins reva: it does not seem to show, no.
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17:10 reva Hi jcamins: maybe it is buggy? Because it is normal to show it at the head of the record even in Normal View.
17:10 jcamins reva: perhaps so, yes.
17:11 jcamins I would suggest filing a bug report, if one hasn't already been filed.
17:11 reva Yes, I will file it as suggestion then in the bug site, if there is no mention of it yet.
17:16 reva jcamins: would you ask (if you do not know it) about this?: In a set of search results, how do I set it so it shows "see also" references?
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17:22 jcamins reva: I have no idea how to get See Also references to show in the OPAC.
17:22 jcamins I don't think you can.
17:23 reva jcamins: another thing I noticed: I have a 100 (Main entry-personal name) and a 710 (Added entry-corporate name), I have the proper MARC/ISBD paragraph punctuation: Taylor, B.N. But in the OPAC display it squished the semantic elements together from the 100 and 710 fields.
17:23 jcamins It'd be a very nice feature.
17:24 reva jcamins: do the "see also "see from" references show for you in staff side?
17:24 jcamins I don't think I have any authority records with See references.
17:24 jcamins Oh, they show up when I'm searching for an authority.
17:25 jcamins (to link)
17:26 reva yes, for me to; but the other functionality of an authority is to lead the CATALOG user to other forms of the name, etc. Anyhow, about the other issue I just mentioned: 100, 710 entries squishing is for the very LCCN record: 95169646. You can import into your database and see for yourself
17:27 kf reva: you can activate authority search for opac too
17:28 reva how do I activitate Authorites in OPAC? from where in the admin module?
17:28 kf there it shows the see also forms, I don't think showing them in the catalog directly is very user friendly
17:28 kf I dont know the right sys pref name
17:28 kf search for authorities
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17:29 kf and a click on an author in the opac will find all titles - if there is an authority behind it
17:29 kf I have to go now, quite late here
17:29 kf bye all!
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17:30 reva ok, I will search authorities in sys pref. But as far as I can see, the only option among the four in that module that might do this is: AuthDisplayHierarchy. Could it be the one? (It is currently off in my settings.)
17:32 jcamins Maybe. Why don't you try it?
17:32 jcamins The worst thing that will happen is that things will stop working, and then you can just disable it again.
17:33 reva jcamins: ok, :) here it goes.
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17:38 reva well what kf just wrote about clicking the links in OPAC and bringing up other works by the same author already worked for me. But I am not sure what turning on the AuthDisplayHierarchy did. Could you point me to a couple of good records in LC for testing the "see also" and "see from"?
17:41 jcamins Not really, no.
17:42 jcamins Maybe search for Mark Twain?
17:42 jcamins And Samuel Clemens?
17:42 reva ok, I will look under the fail-proof Clemens, Samuel Longhorn.:)
17:42 jcamins That's the only example that comes to mind.
17:44 reva believe it or not, even before I got into the bowels of this, mark twain was the choice for me; I did not know then that he was a staid search authority search for developers. And without any exposure, another author I always input tested was Thomas Mann.
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18:12 wizzyrea can I say I really appreciate whoever wrote the
18:12 wizzyrea it's easy to read.
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18:26 cait hi #koha
18:26 rhcl hi cait
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18:38 chris Morning
18:38 chris_n g'morning chris
18:41 rhcl afternoon
18:42 jcamins Hello.
18:42 jcamins By the way, who wants to sign off on the patch I'm going to write to fix the link between the Local Use and Cataloging tabs in sysprefs?
18:43 chris If you email it to me, I will
18:44 jcamins Okay. Thanks.
18:44 jcamins I will send it to you as soon as I write the patch. :)
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18:45 chris Sweet
18:52 jcamins Huh.
18:52 jcamins I just looked at the offending code.
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18:53 chris Heh
18:54 jcamins Perhaps I will try to eliminate the redundant include.
18:55 chris If it just does the local use ones it would make more sense
18:56 chris The others are all covered by the new sysprefs code and are translatable
19:02 chris Ok my stop
19:02 chris Bbiab
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19:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:29 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.8�C (9:36 PM CEST on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
19:32 brendan @wunder 93117
19:32 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 29.9�C (12:36 PM PDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
19:32 brendan wow another record breaking "indian-summer" day here - no sleep for me tonight
19:32 * cait is envious
19:32 jcamins @wunder 11105
19:33 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 23.2�C (3:35 PM EDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Steady). Tornado Watch 686 in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening...
19:33 jcamins _Another_ tornado watch?
19:39 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
19:39 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 24.4�C (2:46 PM CDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling).
19:39 wizzyrea just about perfect.
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19:44 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:44 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 27.0�C (3:39 PM EDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
19:46 reva what does @wunder mean? Just curious.
19:47 jcamins It looks up the weather with
19:48 reva thanks jcamins:
19:48 collum @wunder 41017
19:48 munin collum: The current temperature in Taylor Mill, Taylor Mill, Kentucky is 16.8�C (3:51 PM EDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising).
19:49 jcamins reva: incidentally, IRC nicknames do not include ':'
19:51 reva ok jcamins thanks.I always saw them as part of the name, hee hee. I am ignorant in a lot of urban/techie things, sigh.
19:51 rhcl @wunder Turks and Caicos
19:51 munin rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
19:51 rhcl @wunder 'Turks and Caicos'
19:51 munin rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
19:52 reva chris, they are an overseas possession  of Britain int he caribbean; actually northeast of Puerta Rico.
19:52 jcamins @wunder Turks Islands
19:52 munin jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
19:52 reva I meant munin of course.
19:53 jcamins @wunder Providenciales, Turks Islands
19:53 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Providenciales, Turks Islands is 31.0�C (3:00 PM EDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
19:53 jcamins rhcl: ^^
19:54 collum @wunder pls
19:54 munin collum: The current temperature in Providenciales, Turks Islands is 31.0�C (4:00 PM EDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
19:54 rhcl @wunder 21°30′18″N 71°45′14″W
19:54 munin rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
19:54 rhcl :(
19:54 collum airport code
19:54 rhcl I wanna do it my way. Ain't this Burger King?
19:55 jcamins rhcl: that came through completely warped. Perhaps munin can't understand UTF-8?
19:56 rhcl @wunder nca
19:56 munin rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
19:56 rhcl Uhhh ooohhh, I'm in big trouble now.
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20:00 jcamins CGI684: did you take a look a the FAQ?[…]on/faq/searching/
20:01 jcamins I can't remember which of those is the usual culprit, but I do remember that one of the procedures there often fixes that problem.
20:01 jcamins What version of Koha are you using?
20:02 CGI684 oh wow, i have never seen this faq
20:02 CGI684 i don't think there's a link to it on the site
20:03 chris thats because the site isnt the official koha website anymore
20:03 CGI684 i'm on the latest git
20:03 chris and is unmaintainable by the koha community
20:03 CGI684 oh..
20:03 chris (we dont have access to it)
20:03 CGI684 i've been living under a rock then lol
20:03 chris <-- the real koha site
20:03 chris (it explains why we had to move too)
20:04 chris and is kept up to date ... tell your friends :-)
20:04 CGI684 woohoo
20:04 CGI684 i'll go read through this faq and see if that can't resolve my problem
20:04 CGI684 thanks guys
20:04 chris np
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20:06 reva hi anyone, what do you use the shelving control number for? It is unfamiliar to me from my previous incarnations:)
20:07 jcamins For example for microfilms that are just shelves from 1 to whatever.
20:07 jcamins *shelved
20:09 reva thanks jcamins. I did not use colon, see:)
20:12 jcamins Someone else can respond to Janusz. I'm too tired.
20:12 jcamins On which note, so long, #koha.
20:13 chris cya jcamins
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20:32 Joe Does anyone here, use EOS GLAS Serials Module?
20:33 chris not me
20:33 Joe I am wanting to switch from that to KOHA Serials, but I would ideally be able to transfer our current holdings from our current Serials program.
20:33 chris does it  have an export feature?
20:34 chris (ps its Koha, not KOHA its a maori word not an acronym ... pet peeve of mine :))
20:34 Joe I don't think so, but I found what looks like a CSV file.
20:34 Joe Ah, thanks for the note. :-)
20:34 chris oh if you can get it out to CSV, you are most of the way along
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20:35 Joe Is there a good tutorial on importing the data to Koha Serials?
20:35 chris nope, you'd be the first doing it for EOS GLAS afaik
20:35 chris so most of the work would be matching fields up
20:37 Joe Is there a good place to go for a bit of guidance on importing data into Koha Serials?
20:37 chris if anything exists and I dont think it does, it would be on
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20:38 chris basically you need to take a look at the serials table, in the koha db
20:38 Joe Gotcha.
20:39 chris serial, subscription, subscriptionhistory, and subscriptionroutinglist
20:39 chris would be the ones
20:40 Joe Those would be files in folders or can I get to those via the website interface?
20:40 chris do you have access to your database?
20:40 Joe I have Koha Setup on my machine as a trial run.
20:40 Joe I have it installed on Ubuntu.
20:40 chris if you jump into mysql
20:41 chris mysql -uusername -p koha
20:41 chris (it will prompt for your password)
20:41 chris then
20:41 chris describe serial;
20:41 chris etc
20:41 chris brb
20:41 Joe Gotcha, dredging up my Database Class in college. hehe. :-)
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20:56 Joe I got it. Looks like this isn't going to be easy. hehe. :-( Ah well, what's worth doing isn't necessarily easy. hehe. :-)
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21:00 lgw_wrt ok...thanks.
21:00 lgw_wrt also, any good tutorials on creating a custom MARC?  the ones i've seen linked to seem complex for a newbie to the MARC idea
21:00 chris (it doesnt seem to happen when running from git or the tarball .. but we try to use the debian jquery library, instead of the one bundled with koha in the packages)
21:01 chris hmm i dont know of any, maybe ask on the main mailing list
21:01 lgw_wrt ok...thanks.  i'l have to sign up on that, but i have to run to catch a train
21:01 lgw_wrt thanks
21:01 chris no worries
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21:47 robin lgw_wrt: ah, yeah, package error: it uses the system jquery rather than the built in one and things get hinky due to version mis-matches.
21:48 robin I haven't figured out the exact cause, but I'll see about building a new package without the issue, I fixed it in our internal deployment, but the ones track master, and this patch hasn't been pulled into there yet.
21:51 robin The patch is in bug 5184 - bit it's a bit of a bandaid.
21:51 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Upgrade to support jQuery 1.4.2
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22:24 robin lgw_wrt and anyone else interested: I've just published new versions of the packages which should fix that issue.
22:25 robin and incorporate the new fixes from master
22:26 chris yay!
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22:43 jcamins_a Are template variable names not case-sensitive?
22:43 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
22:43 chris no
22:43 chris not in html::template anyway
22:43 jcamins Ah.
22:44 jcamins That would explain why this seems to work other than the misspelling.
22:44 jcamins Well, not entirely.
22:45 jcamins I'm still not seeing where these variables are set.
22:45 CGI581 iam new to koha....need help on installation and configuartion
22:47 jcamins Oh, stupid! Of course I'm not seeing it. We don't use for anything other than Local Use.
22:48 * chris thought he said that :)
22:48 jcamins Yes, and I knew that.
22:48 jcamins I was trying to determine I was in the right file by searching for "Acquisitions" (it's first alphabetically).
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22:51 wasabi robin++
22:54 jcamins Hm.
22:54 jcamins Does anyone else experience the following:
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22:55 jcamins When you click on the link to go to System Preferences from the main Admin screen, it brings you to the Local Use tab but with
22:55 jcamins (so it says there are no variables)
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23:50 brendan_l @wunder 93117
23:50 munin brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 28.9�C (4:52 PM PDT on September 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).

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