IRC log for #koha, 2010-09-29

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00:04 jcamins Anyone know where the patch for bug 5101 got to?
00:04 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5101 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Creators tab isn't highlighted when selected
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00:14 chris_n[…]4c6b292f1657de488
00:14 chris_n or
00:14 chris_n[…]org/msg00464.html
00:14 chris_n per google
00:15 jcamins Oh, sorry, that wasn't a literal "where is the patch" question.
00:15 jcamins It was more of a "where in the process is the patch" question.
00:21 chris_n its marked for HEAD, so it will probably appear in the 3.4 branch when it appears
00:21 jcamins Okay.
00:21 jcamins Thanks.
00:22 chris_n np
00:22 jcamins How do I make sure that a file deletion shows up in my patch?
00:22 jcamins I think you have to do something special?
00:22 chris_n git rm <file-to-remove>
00:23 jcamins Thanks.
00:24 chris_n good luck wasabi
00:25 jcamins Heh.
00:25 wasabi no, good luck to the current site-admins of
00:25 jcamins It could happen.
00:25 * chris_n holds his breath
00:26 wasabi ... its currently *their* stupid problem, not mine
00:26 chris_n fortunately it is impossible to hold one's breath to the point of death :-)
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00:28 wasabi a problem with a rather obvious solution too
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00:30 jcamins Hm.
00:30 jcamins I guess there's no way to e-mail a patch to the bugzilla to attach to a bug?
00:31 chris_n I'm not sure... chris would probably know
00:31 jcamins In the meantime I guess I'd better download my patch so I can upload it...
00:34 jcamins Oh, you can attach by URL.
00:34 wasabi aah, thats way cool
00:35 jcamins git send-email isn't a git command?
00:35 jcamins What?
00:36 * jcamins bangs his head on the table
00:37 jcamins Why doesn't git send-email work on Debian?
00:38 wasabi its a separate package
00:38 jcamins Ah.
00:38 jcamins Any idea what the package is?
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00:38 wasabi mason@xen1:~/koha$ dpkg -l|grep git-email
00:38 wasabi ii  git-email                          1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1        fast, scalable, distributed revision control
00:39 jcamins It says it's broken. :(
00:39 wasabi
00:40 wasabi ive got the backports version...
00:40 wasabi[…]ckports/git-email
00:41 jcamins I think I am very unimpressed with Debian's packaging system.
00:41 jcamins However, I think that did it.
00:41 jcamins Thanks.
00:42 wasabi well, its about 10,00 times faster than my lappy's darwin-ports
00:42 jcamins Woohoo! git send-email works!
00:43 wasabi alias git-email='git send-email --to'
00:44 jcamins chris: I sent you a patch for bug 5261 to sign off on.
00:44 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5261 enhancement, P5, ---, koha, ASSIGNED, Can't get to Cataloging sysprefs from Local Use
00:44 jcamins wasabi: Ooh, good idea.
00:47 jcamins Where are all the patches that need sign-offs?
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01:00 chris[…]  <-- trick
01:05 jcamins Okay, that's just weird.
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01:20 jcamins Is there any way to download a patch from the mailing list archives?
01:28 chris yup
01:31 chris hmm at least i thought there was
01:34 chris hmm looks like only the whole mailbxo
01:34 chris http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ail/koha-patches/
01:39 chris nice work on the signoff ;)
01:41 jcamins :) Thanks.
01:41 jcamins Oh, speaking of which.
01:42 jcamins wasabi: when you change your OpacNotPublic patch to an OpacPrivate patch, let me know and I'll sign off on it.
01:49 jcamins @later tell owen Do you want me to sign-off on your patch for bug 3013?
01:49 munin jcamins: The operation succeeded.
01:51 jcamins Okay, bed time.
01:51 jcamins Good night, #koha
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03:02 brendan heya amit
03:02 Amit heya brendan
03:05 brendan chris_n around?
03:56 wasabi oops, TCL fail...
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04:01 robin wasabi: so, situation normal then...
04:02 wasabi a minor blip, im not complaining :)
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04:12 robin wonder if that was a big quake somewhere else, or a small one here.
04:16 robin ah, big one somewhere else. Only looks like a 6 though
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07:17 chris hi magnus
07:17 magnus g'day chris
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09:39 ivanc hallo #koha
09:45 magnus hi ivanc
09:45 ivanc hi magnus
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10:25 wasabi[…]s-Gosling-Unloads
10:37 wasabi ...very interesting stuff
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11:44 Braedon apparently google can
11:44 Braedon can't find you in a valley in new zealand... :P
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11:55 druthb mornin'.
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11:58 magnus hiya druthb
11:58 druthb :)
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12:04 kmkale hi all
12:05 druthb hi, kmkale. :)
12:05 kmkale hi druthb
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13:05 schuster Look out Ruth's in the house!
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13:06 jcamins Morning, #koha
13:10 * druthb hides from schuster.
13:10 jwagner No, no -- it's your turn!  I had to hide from him yesterday :-)
13:11 * jwagner hides from everyone....
13:11 * druthb wants to hide a lot, lately.
13:11 owen #koha is a good place to hide
13:12 druthb That depends on what you're hiding *from*, owen.  It's about as good a place to hide as the middle of a football field, for me.
13:13 owen This place is so quiet lately though
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13:15 lgw_wrt looks like last night's fixes are working
13:15 lgw_wrt but i could still use some MARC help if anyone is willing to provide it...
13:17 jcamins lgw_wrt: I can't promise anyone will be able to help, but if you ask your question, someone might be able to at least suggest where to look for the answer.
13:18 lgw_wrt i here goes
13:19 lgw_wrt I've never created MARC records before, and they appear to be very overwhelming.
13:19 lgw_wrt I'd like to create something for my organization that represents our CD/DVD/BD archives
13:19 lgw_wrt Some discs have one project, some have many.  FIle listings would be great in the description.
13:19 lgw_wrt I just don't know where to start that is not as confusing as the templates i've seen online
13:22 jcamins Ah. Unfortunately I mostly avoid cataloging non-book formats.
13:24 jcamins Well, that's fortunate for me, but not so fortunate for you. ;)
13:24 lgw_wrt :)
13:25 lgw_wrt would Koha not be the right solution for what I want?
13:25 owen lgw_wrt: We have CD-ROMs in our collection, but a quick look doesn't turn up any examples which include a file listing.
13:25 owen[…]it=mc-ccode%3ACDR
13:25 owen I'm not a cataloger, so I can't tell you any more than that.
13:26 jcamins lgw_wrt: no, it probably would be, I just don't have any advice more helpful than "the MARC format documentation describes the 007 field (and all the others)."
13:28 owen lgw_wrt: Any sane person would be asking "is MARC the right solution for what I want?"
13:28 jcamins lgw_wrt: actually, I guess it depends. If all you want is a finding aid, you might be better off using Archivist's Toolkit.
13:28 owen But library people are not sane.
13:28 jcamins owen: you noticed? :)
13:29 lgw_wrt i'll take a look at both and see what looks right
13:29 collum lgw_wrt: We are not on Koha, but it looks like our catalogers put the contents in the 505 field.
13:29 jcamins lgw_wrt:
13:30 jcamins Do you have materials other than the disk archive?
13:30 lgw_wrt not right now
13:30 jcamins Do you lend the disks out?
13:31 lgw_wrt we do
13:31 lgw_wrt that's why we're looking at this type of system.  we keep losing track on our hand-written sheets
13:31 jcamins Okay. I'm not sure how AT does with lending.
13:31 schuster Are the disks proprietary stuff or comercially produced stuff?
13:31 lgw_wrt proprietary
13:31 * collum is looking for CDRoms with file contents
13:32 lgw_wrt be back in a bit...
13:32 schuster Do the files have to be on disks or could you store them on servers?
13:32 lgw_wrt on discs...we archive to regain space.
13:32 lgw_wrt i have to go handle another issue.  i'll be back in a while.  i'lll keep this open and check for comments when i get back
13:34 schuster lgw_wrt - yes the 505 - content note would be your best bet at first look on where to put file names.  The problem becomes if they cover different concerns.
13:34 schuster Then you almost need to analytically catalog each file and indicate which disk it would be on and relate all of the titles.
13:35 schuster A lot of it depends on the down the road what is your goal, and how much time you have to do the cataloging as it all looks like original cataloging.
13:36 schuster You could probably pay a good cataloger to create a template so then you only have to put in a "FEW" of the tags rather than starting from scratch every time.
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13:52 lgw_wrt each disc is for a specific archive, although some hold multiples.    cataloging each disc is relatively simple
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14:10 lgw_wrt i'm thinking this may be beyond what i can do with my allotted resources.  i have no funding for this project, and no staff assistance (our IT dept is 2 people for 150 )
14:14 jcamins lgw_wrt: yeah, Koha might not be the right thing for you.
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14:24 ebegin Anybody has problem with the Year limit?
14:25 ebegin As soon as I use a date limit, nothing is found...  I would like to find in the pubdate (260$c) field.
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14:40 Braedon ebegin: using zebra?
14:41 * druthb waves to kmkale and wizzyrea_
14:41 kmkale hi wizzyrea_
14:42 wizzyrea_ hi kmkale!
14:42 wizzyrea_ hi druthb!
14:47 Braedon ebegin: i have to run (and by run i mean sleep), but if you are using nozebra indexing, that could well be your problem. If you are using zebra, no clue sorry.
14:48 jcamins ebegin: the problem may be that you don't have dates in the 008 field.
14:48 lgw_wrt just imported a record created using "Archivist's Toolkit".  It imported successfully, but I can't seem to search for it.  Any advice?
14:48 Braedon is a zebra indexing job running?
14:49 lgw_wrt how do i check?
14:49 jcamins lgw_wrt: I've never used AT, I just know that it is good for archival collections.
14:50 lgw_wrt i created the MARC record using AT so I could have a "template" to work with
14:50 Braedon (the answer to all search related issues is blame zebra or nozerbra :P)
14:50 lgw_wrt the import into koha was successful, but i can't search for my record
14:50 jcamins Braedon: good night.
14:50 jcamins lgw_wrt: try reindexing?
14:50 lgw_wrt how?
14:50 jcamins
14:51 Braedon but alas i really should get to bed, being 4am and all. sorry lgw_wrt, look on the wiki for zebra script stuffs
14:51 Braedon night jcamins
14:52 jcamins lgw_wrt: do you have any records in Koha?
14:52 jcamins Other than the one you just added, I mean.
14:52 lgw_wrt no.  that's where i've been struggling
14:52 jcamins Okay.
14:53 lgw_wrt error on rebuild_zebra...missing a perl module.  installing that right now
14:53 jcamins[…]on/faq/searching/
14:55 wizzyrea_ is there something odd about the withdrawn authorized value?
14:55 wizzyrea_ something different from the other authorized values?
14:56 jcamins Well, we don't have any category for it, but I am imagining that's a misconfiguration on our part.
14:57 wizzyrea_ hmmm
14:58 lgw_wrt the debian install never created a kohauser, so scripts can't run under that user
14:58 jcamins lgw_wrt: how did you install Koha?
14:59 lgw_wrt sqeeuze/koha apt source
14:59 jcamins Hm.
14:59 jcamins When I did that it created a Koha user.
15:00 jcamins I think it was koha-[something].
15:00 lgw_wrt scripts also can't find c4 perl modules.
15:00 lgw_wrt i'm thinking this is more of a headache than i need right now
15:00 lgw_wrt i love the power of koha, but it's just too frustrating right now to get up and running for my environment
15:01 jcamins lgw_wrt: the FAQ gives you the command to put the C4 modules in your environment.
15:02 jcamins PERL5LIB=/wherever/koha/is
15:02 jcamins export PERL5LIB
15:02 jcamins Oh, you also need:
15:02 jcamins KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
15:02 jcamins export KOHA_CONF
15:03 jcamins However, since you have no resources for this project, I (personally) would probably tend to agree that administering Koha might be a bit much.
15:04 lgw_wrt maybe again in the future.
15:04 lgw_wrt thanks to all for the assistance
15:06 jcamins You're welcome.
15:06 jcamins Good luck.
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15:19 ebegin jcamins, sorry, I had to step away.  Concerning the search on the year, you are correct, i don't have data in the 008 field, the data I want to search is in the 260$c, which is the copydate index
15:21 jcamins ebegin: yeah, you can't limit on that.
15:21 jcamins However, it is possible to search on copydate.
15:22 jcamins If I can remember how...
15:22 ebegin Oh, that is why the seach on it works but not the limit
15:22 ebegin s/seach/search
15:23 ebegin Where are set the fields for the limit?
15:23 jcamins 008.
15:24 jcamins I don't know how to change that.
15:42 ebegin ok, thanks for the hint jcamins, i'll look into it
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15:48 nengard question about the items table - what is stored in the reserves field? the current number of holds or all the holds ever placed on the item?
15:48 wizzyrea_ the 2nd
15:48 nengard ick
15:48 wizzyrea_ er
15:48 wizzyrea_ no, sorry I misunderstood
15:48 wizzyrea_ the current holds
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15:48 nengard :) woo hoo
15:48 nengard thanks
15:48 wizzyrea_ the old holds go to the deleted reserves
15:48 wizzyrea_ or old reserves
15:48 wizzyrea_ can't remember
15:48 wizzyrea_ but they move on outta there
15:49 wizzyrea_ had a situation just yesterday where I had to look up an accidentally deleted hold and sho nuff it was in the old reserves
15:52 nengard k - so when it moves to old it subtracts one from 'reserves'
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16:01 nengard need help
16:01 wizzyrea_ yep
16:01 nengard writing a report to show items that are overdue that have holds on them ... i want it to show who has the book out so i cna call them and say give us the book cause it has holds on it
16:01 nengard this is what i have - it's wrong
16:02 nengard and my brain is tired
16:02 nengard SELECT borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.firstname,, borrowers.address,, borrowers.zipcode, issues.date_due, (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) AS 'days overdue', items.itype, biblio.title,, items.itemcallnumber, items.barcode, COUNT(reserves.biblionumber) AS 'holds' FROM borrowers LEFT JOIN issues ON (borrowers.borrowernumber=issues.borrowernumber) LEFT JO
16:02 nengard IN items ON (issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio ON (items.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) LEFT JOIN reserves ON (biblio.biblionumber=reserves.biblionumber)
16:02 nengard GROUP BY reserves.biblionumber WHERE issues.branchcode = 'VSN5' AND holds >= 1 ORDER BY borrowers.surname ASC, issues.date_due ASC
16:02 wizzyrea_ zounds
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16:04 nengard first it was in the wrong order a bit
16:04 nengard so here it is again:
16:04 nengard SELECT borrowers.cardnumber, borrowers.surname, borrowers.firstname,, borrowers.address,, borrowers.zipcode, issues.date_due, (TO_DAYS(curdate())-TO_DAYS( date_due)) AS 'days overdue', items.itype, biblio.title,, items.itemcallnumber, items.barcode, COUNT(reserves.biblionumber) AS 'holds' FROM borrowers LEFT JOIN issues ON (borrowers.borrowernumber=issues.borrowernumber) LEFT JO
16:04 nengard IN items ON (issues.itemnumber=items.itemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio ON (items.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) LEFT JOIN reserves ON (biblio.biblionumber=reserves.biblionumber) WHERE issues.branchcode = 'VSN5' AND holds >= 1 GROUP BY reserves.biblionumber ORDER BY borrowers.surname ASC, issues.date_due ASC
16:04 nengard i tried querying items.reserves - but that didn't work
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16:13 reva hi all again, there is a .pl script called bulkauthorityimport in the same folder as the bulkmarcimport; has anyone here tried it? Also, do I pick "run" option in the options that come up when I "open"? (I mean does it run a GUI version of it as opposed to "run in terminal" option?
16:15 nengard sekjal helped me - report going to the wiki as soon as i eat
16:17 reva Just FYI: the link to the 3.2 manual on this page seems broken or something:[…]/faq/authorities/
16:18 reva The link appears here: For more information, navigate to the 3.2 Manual and scroll down to section and see the entry on ‘Thesaurus.’
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16:28 owen Hi rhcl, did you get my reply to your patron search message?
16:36 reva hi anyone, as you know I run a Live CD version of Koha 3.0.6. It has gotten quite a few records, all done by trainee staff for practice. It would be too much work to correct them all. So I would like to reinstall the Koha part alone without starting from scratch (i.e., leave the ubuntu server untouched in ubuntu/koha appliance). Is there a way to do it?
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16:36 rhcl owen: was away from desk for a sec, lemme look
16:37 reva Oh, I forgot to mention, my Live CD is right now in the VirtualBox.
16:38 jcamins reva: you need to run the scripts from the command line.
16:39 jcamins And why don't you just delete all the records, if that's what you want to do?
16:39 reva ok, I am game. But are you answering the question running the perl scripts?
16:40 jcamins I have never used bulkauthorityimport, but I do know that you can't run the scripts by double-clicking.
16:40 jcamins They won't work without the appropriate arguments.
16:41 reva I suppose I can delete the records, but deleting does not get rid of the log entries for them. So looking at the log is messy.
16:43 jcamins Hm.
16:43 jcamins I would suggest that is probably a better option than trying to reinstall Koha.
16:44 jcamins Wait, why can't you just reinstall the entire system?
16:44 jcamins It's a LiveCD, so it's preconfigured.
16:44 reva jcamins, this is in regards to running perl scripts: when I right clicked on one of them, it gave me two options: one to "Open" and another to "Open with other application"; when I clicked to "Open" it came up with further option to "display", "run" or "run in terminal". That was why I asked as to what exactly "run" does as opposed to "run in termina".
16:45 jcamins reva: you shouldn't be right-clicking them at all. You need to open up a terminal and run them from the terminal.
16:45 jcamins So you open the terminal, change to the directory they are in, and run them from there.
16:45 jcamins reva: http://www.freesoftwaremagazin[…]ommand_line_intro
16:46 reva jcamins, I can; but I did not have to go through running all those commands for clipboard/desktop integration. (Braedon walked me through that; I have the instructions saved; but it is a pain.)
16:47 reva jcamins, I will look at the link you have given here.
16:48 jcamins I would suggest just deleting the records and dealing with the data in the log.
16:48 jcamins Just always make sure you look at the log starting September 29.
16:50 reva jcamins, Yeah, I suppose I can mark the cut off date and the bib and item record numbers where we start "serious" input.:)
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16:53 reva Anyway, we will be installing the 3.2 directly on the hard drive with Debian. I am leaving the Live CD in the VirtualBox (just in case situation to serve as a template and for future training in case of staff change).
16:54 jcamins reva: in that case why does it matter at all?
16:54 nengard[…]ith_Holds_Waiting
16:54 reva I know; it should not jcamins; but I am a tidiness freak.
16:57 jcamins My rule of thumb is that anything that doesn't significantly impact my patrons or my productivity doesn't matter. It means I'm only surprisingly gray and not entirely gray. ;)
16:57 reva what do you mean? as in mature?
16:58 reva I meant about the word "grey" in your comment. But I saw your avatar picture in one of the FAQ comments. You do not have grey hair:)
16:59 reva I will try to be mature too about being obsessive with behind the scenes things, jcamins:0
16:59 jcamins reva: no, everyone in my family goes gray young, and I blame it on dealing with MARC. ;)
17:00 jcamins That's a very old picture.
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17:01 reva So vain to put in a very old picture:). And I can very well see a direct cause and effect association with MARC tags and going grey early.
17:04 jcamins Actually, I just didn't have any other good pictures of myself in digital format. ;)
17:07 reva ok, ok, take that comment back about vanity. I am reading the contents on the page you just pointed me to; it starts me off at an elementary level: I have to say, my minor was Computer Science and that was when there were only Unix terminals:P and gnu debuggers, emacs and vi editor>
17:08 jcamins Oh, then just pull up a terminal, and go to. :)
17:12 reva Ok, I will get back with more questions, I am sure. Thanks jcamins.
17:36 rhcl munin - bug 5266
17:36 munin rhcl: Error: "-" is not a valid command.
17:36 rhcl deal with it dude
17:36 rhcl bug 5266
17:36 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5266 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron Search Produces Incorrectly Sorted and Missing Results
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18:02 owen nengard around?
18:02 nengard 1/2
18:03 owen nengard I don't understand Bug 5267
18:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5267 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, koha logo shouldn't be on authorities page
18:03 owen The koha logo is on almost every staff client page
18:03 owen Any page which has a search box at the top has the Koha logo
18:04 nengard you know what - my brain is so wiped out - it's that the search box is below the logo instead of to the right of it that made it look funny
18:04 nengard and that might be that i was zoomed in
18:04 nengard hang on
18:04 owen I see, the layout does break if your browser window is too small
18:05 owen The authorities search form is wider than most
18:08 nengard closed as invalid - i have been going nonstop since last sunday so my brain has no more power in it and i'm doing silly/stupid things
18:09 owen Thanks for clarifying nengard
18:10 nengard no prob - thanks for pointing it out to me
18:11 owen Bug 5265 is a good one though :)
18:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5265 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, error message on lists is misleading
18:23 nengard :)
18:23 nengard i do have 1/2 a brain today
18:23 * owen looks forward to reading 50% of your bug reports today
18:24 nengard LOL
18:24 nengard i'm done
18:24 nengard i'm going to the airport now!! home for a rest of the brain
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18:40 chris Morning
18:40 owen Hi chris
18:41 chris Hey owen how's things?
18:42 owen Not bad. Been fighting with Drupal for the last few days.
18:42 * chris_n greets chris
18:42 chris_n and hands owen a bigger stick
18:43 owen Thanks chris_n, I'm wearing Drupal down through perseverance
18:43 chris Owen: shiny knows craploads about drupal
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18:44 chris If you get stuck pester her :)
18:45 owen Usually if I get stuck I just work on Koha for a few weeks ;)
18:45 chris Heh
18:46 hdl hi
18:47 chris Hi hdl
18:47 chris Started packing yet?
18:47 chris :)
18:48 wizzyrea_ /me has started packing
18:48 wizzyrea_ srs.
18:49 chris heh
18:49 chris Based on today, bring a rain coat
18:52 chris Ok my stop
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19:10 briceSanc hello
19:11 chris back
19:14 briceSanc We have to change the default Koha template for our client's needs. With your experience, what is the best approach to not be too upset when Koha be updated ?
19:14 owen briceSanc: Are you *sure* you need to change the template?
19:15 briceSanc I'm sure
19:15 chris what do you need it to do?
19:15 briceSanc not the template engine but the design
19:16 briceSanc am�liorations ergonomiques, nouvelles couleurs, ...
19:16 briceSanc oops
19:16 ebegin hehe :)
19:16 briceSanc ergonomic improvements, new colors ...
19:17 owen briceSanc: I'd be happy to advise you on changes which can be made via CSS if you can share specifics
19:17 briceSanc ctrl+c,v problem :)
19:17 owen Colors are an obvious thing which don't require a new template
19:17 ebegin There is no really easy way other than limiting your modification of the .tmpl file.  When a new verison is release, compare the previous community-release to the new one and adapt your template accordingly
19:17 chris yeah you can probably do a lot of that with jquery and css
19:18 chris so yeah do as much as you possibly can that way, otherwise you just make upgrading harder and harder
19:18 wizzyrea_ < was in the template updating trap
19:18 wizzyrea_ I escaped with jquery
19:18 chris ohh way cool
19:18 chris check out the latest message to the list
19:18 chris[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5260
19:18 munin Bug 5260: enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, It would be nice if Koha's Acquisition module could order by email
19:18 wizzyrea_ OOOOO
19:19 wizzyrea_ oooOOOooo
19:19 wizzyrea_ that's a good one
19:19 chris with a patch to test out
19:19 chris i need 6 more hands
19:19 sekjal chris: I hear you on that; want to test, don't have so much the time right now
19:19 wizzyrea_ I might get to it in a couple of days
19:19 ebegin when you mean with jquery, you mean that you are updating the site DOM with JQuery function?
19:19 wizzyrea_ I have a couple of libraries who migt want that
19:20 owen ebegin: You can use system prefs to embed jQuery which changes HTML on the page
19:20 chris ill reply and say, very cool, #koha on irc got quite excited
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19:20 ebegin owen: what about the  performances?
19:20 cait hi #koha
19:21 sekjal gtg.  later, #koha
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19:21 wizzyrea_ bye i... oh bother
19:21 owen ebegin: The only answer to that question is test it
19:21 briceSanc ok thanks for your answers
19:21 ebegin :)
19:21 chris ebegin: firefox and chromium are fast, ie 7 .... not so much
19:21 ebegin briceSanc, there is another option...
19:22 ebegin Make such a kick ass template that the whole community will adopt it ;)
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19:22 briceSanc :)
19:22 briceSanc it would be nice
19:22 briceSanc i want but i don't know for my client...
19:23 chris right, emailed edgar
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19:29 briceSanc bye everyone, i return to the hourly loan
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19:29 owen Missed opportunity
19:30 jcamins owen: what opportunity?
19:30 owen To preach the customization gospel of CSS and jQuery
19:30 chris :)
19:30 jcamins Oh, well, I'm converted.
19:31 owen Or at the very least to be able to say "Yeah, you need a new template for that, sucks to be you" ;)
19:31 jcamins Of course, I mostly want to add new pages, not modify existing ones.
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19:34 slef morning
19:34 chris hi slef
19:35 slef it's all go here this week... bones on the beach Monday, hotel on fire tonight
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19:35 chris yikes!
19:35 chris human bones?
19:36 slef yes... let me get the link from
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19:36 slef[…]somerset-11418528
19:36 slef hotel on fire is[…]-bristol-11439046
19:36 chris we've just got whales :(
19:37 chris[…]news-environment/
19:37 slef yeah, something I wondered... instead of NZ pushing them back into the sea and Japan dodgily hunting "for scientific research", why doesn't NZ export the stupid ones to Japan?
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19:37 chris heh
19:37 chris is the hotel near you?
19:38 slef not massively, but I go past it on my way into town
19:38 chris happy whale
19:38 chris
19:38 wizzyrea_ oo, whale watching
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19:38 slef Kewstoke Toll Road is closed, which is my usual route in
19:40 chris[…]e-entangled-whale  <-- and good whale news
19:43 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:43 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 21.1�C (3:49 PM EDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday afternoon...
19:43 * chris_n goes after his canoe
19:43 chris :)
19:44 chris_n although "Light Rain" is a bit of an understatement
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19:46 jcamins @wunder 11105
19:46 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 25.0�C (3:51 PM EDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect from late tonight through late Friday night...
19:47 jcamins What, now that the threat of tornado is past we have to worry about flooding?
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19:47 slef jcamins: yep, if the rain doesn't get you from above, it will from below.
19:49 jcamins Lucky us.
19:52 jcamins owen: I won't be doing it tonight, but would you like me to sign-off on your patch for the 006 builder?
19:53 cait jcamins++
19:53 owen Sure jcamins, if it looks good to you. Thanks
19:53 cait thx for signing-off my patch!
19:53 jcamins cait: you're welcome.
19:54 jcamins cait: oh, that reminds me. Is there any chance you could send your patch for the ohloh links directly to me? Apparently you can't download just one message from the archives, and our mail server ran out of room so I had to delete my local archives.
19:54 jcamins I'll sign off on it.
19:55 jcamins I'm feeling sign-off-y, probably because this allows me to avoid my own development for a while.
19:55 cait jcamins: no problem
19:56 cait will try to do it tomorrow
19:56 jcamins Thanks.
19:56 ebegin Am i correct when I state that we cannot delete a vendor?
19:57 ebegin (other than removing it from the db)
19:57 owen ebegin: Yes
19:57 owen But you can make it inactive
19:57 ebegin Is there a reason?
19:58 owen Because you might have past orders in the system from that vendor
19:59 chris yeah if you ahve ever ordered anything from that vendor, the item will be linked to it
19:59 chris but we should allow ppl to delete ones that have never been used
19:59 ebegin that what I was about to suggest.
19:59 chris interviewee is late ... not a good start
20:00 slef chris: depends on the explanation.
20:00 chris true
20:00 owen "Found bones on the beach on way to interview"
20:00 slef "my bus got stuck under a whale" might pass, for example
20:00 cait ebegin: i wrote a bug report for " can not delete vendor "
20:00 slef but they should have emailed
20:00 cait it's somewhere in bugzilla
20:00 slef assuming the whale had wifi
20:01 ebegin ok, thanks cait!
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22:22 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4084: remove \r from header line for sake of consistency <[…]933c93747e2fe30f6> / (bug #4084) fix offline circ <[…]2acbab29f530c35e7>
23:07 brendan @wunder 93117
23:07 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 26.3�C (4:10 PM PDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Falling).
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