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chris |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]b/Koha/lastBuild/ |
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chris |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/29/HTML_Report/? |
| 00:20 |
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chris |
good to see hudson is still on the job |
| 00:20 |
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richard |
chris: those reports are pretty cool |
| 00:21 |
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chris |
yeah, it just automatically runs the tests everytime a commit is pushed |
| 00:21 |
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chris |
certainly easy to spot where we are lacking tests |
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brendan_l |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 23.6�C (6:20 PM PDT on September 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Steady). |
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wasabi |
wow, how clever is chris.c! |
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chris |
? |
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wasabi |
quite clever.... |
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wasabi |
twas was a rhetorical question |
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chris |
heh |
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wasabi |
the hudson,chan-ops and commit-msg stuff in #koha is great |
| 02:05 |
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chris |
ahh gmcharlt did the commit-msg stuff |
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wasabi |
yes, he is also great |
| 02:08 |
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wasabi |
a little paws for our tireless RMs |
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wasabi |
http://bit.ly/cbR9Io |
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brendan_l |
heya Amit |
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brendan_l |
night all ;) |
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ivanc |
hallo #koha |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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magnus |
guten morgen kf |
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magnus |
hiya davi |
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magnus |
wow, wizzyrea was on a roll on twitter yesterday ;-) |
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ivanc |
guten morgen kf |
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ivanc |
hi magnus |
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magnus |
hi ivanc |
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davi |
hi magnus |
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kf |
hi ivanc |
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chris |
heh |
| 08:27 |
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magnus |
chris? |
| 08:29 |
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chris |
oh just laughing at myself |
| 08:30 |
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chris |
http://coffeecode.net/archives[…]roject.html#c2984 |
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magnus |
ah... |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7�C (12:37 PM CEST on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
@wunder Wellington |
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munin |
kf: Error: No such location could be found. |
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kf |
@wunder Wellington NZ |
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munin |
kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (11:00 PM NZDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:53 |
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magnus |
@wunder bodo norway |
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munin |
magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 25.1�C (7:24 AM EDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through this afternoon... |
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* chris_n |
drags out more floaties |
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chris_n |
fwiw: if you would like to change the tracking branch of a bare git repo you can do 'git symbolic-ref HEAD refs/heads/foo' |
| 11:58 |
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* chris_n |
greets jwager |
| 11:59 |
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chris_n |
jwagner: it seems that the mods to the advance due notices worked well... last night's round of notices presented nicely formatted due dates for each item |
| 12:00 |
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jwagner |
Hi chris_n. Did I miss something? Not tracking too well today... |
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| 12:01 |
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chris_n |
I noticed you had subscribed to bug 5263 and thought you might like to know how the first production run of that mod went |
| 12:01 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5263 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due notices |
| 12:02 |
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jwagner |
Oh, I thought you were referring to something I'd done, and I hadn't done anything with notices :-) That's good to hear -- it would be a nice addition to functionality. |
| 12:03 |
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jwagner |
Speaking of functionality (I think I've asked this before), do you have a git site or someplace where _all_ your label creator patches & commits are gathered together? I think we're missing one or two. |
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chris_n |
I currently publish all of my work either here: |
| 12:07 |
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chris_n |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fbc.git;a=summary |
| 12:07 |
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chris_n |
or here: |
| 12:07 |
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chris_n |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]s_n.git;a=summary |
| 12:08 |
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chris_n |
the label/patron card stuff is in the first one |
| 12:09 |
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chris_n |
I use a branch-per-bug |
| 12:10 |
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chris_n |
there were two bugs which rendered the patron card creator non-functional |
| 12:10 |
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chris_n |
they were committed to HEAD yesterday or so, so you should get them when you rebase |
| 12:11 |
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chris_n |
for your reference, they are bug 5182 and bug 5183 |
| 12:11 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5182 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Attempting to export a patron card with no text causes an error to be thrown |
| 12:11 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5183 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Incorrect hash dereferencing syntax causes an error to be thrown when attempting to export patron cards |
| 12:13 |
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jwagner |
I saw those, but I think we missed an earlier one somewhere. I'll poke around. Thanks. |
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chris_n |
jwagner: the production branch is what we presently run in production here |
| 12:14 |
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chris_n |
it has all of the labels and patron cards work to date in it |
| 12:14 |
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chris_n |
heya owen |
| 12:14 |
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owen |
Hi |
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jwagner |
Great, thanks! |
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Topic for #koha is now Topic for #koha is Koha ILS | Don't ask to ask, just ask! | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org |
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brendan |
morning all |
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kf |
morning brendan |
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brendan |
heya kf |
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* druthb |
strolls in with a song stuck in her head. |
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brendan |
morning druthb |
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druthb |
Hi, brendan! :) |
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kf |
hi druthb :) |
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* kf |
waves |
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druthb |
Hi, kf! :) |
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* kf |
shares a cookie with druthb |
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druthb |
yay! |
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* jwagner |
gets jealous |
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* druthb |
munches on the cookie. |
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magnus |
mmm, cookies... |
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* kf |
hands out one mor cookie for jwagner and magnus to share |
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kf |
cookie shortage here, must ration them ;) |
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magnus |
oooh, thanks |
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* jwagner |
feels better :-) |
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* druthb |
had not heard of a regional cookie shortage in Europe. That's baaaad. |
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druthb |
Congress is just down the road; I'll whistle them up and see about an aid package. |
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* jwagner |
was thinking about baking cookies this weekend, but doesn't have the energy |
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kf |
druthb: ... perhaps.. someone has eaten all the cookies? |
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druthb |
I might bake some. I have some cooking and maybe some canning to do anyway. |
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druthb |
don't blame *me*, kf! |
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kf |
I was not talking about you ;) |
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druthb |
All right...good. :P |
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wizzyrea_ |
hmm I think my signoff of chris's patch for + signs in patron barcodes got held for moderation |
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wizzyrea_ |
I just now noticed it |
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CGI112 |
hello everybody |
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CGI112 |
witch is the difference between koha and liblime |
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CGI112 |
tarley |
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owen |
CGI112: You should go to http://www.koha-community.org for information about the Koha project |
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owen |
koha.org is under the control of Liblime |
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owen |
Harley is their fork of Koha, with some bug-fixes and improvements but is months behind the main Koha project in many respects |
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owen |
CGI112: Harley installations are not supported by the community |
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mib_0zoee |
Alrighty.....silly question of the day time......how long do you guys reckon it would take a complete programming n00b (but IT literate person) to be proficient enough in Perl to contribute to Koha.. |
| 15:15 |
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owen |
mib_0zoee: It depends entirely on how hard you study I suppose :) |
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sekjal |
mib_0zoee: what percentage of this person's hours are available to dedicate? |
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mib_0zoee |
Yeah, it is realative I suppose......assume a couple of hours a day |
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mib_0zoee |
that is 2 hours! |
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sekjal |
mib_0zoee: small bug fixes within a month, I'd say. bigger developments within 3-6 months, depending on what exactly they were, circumstances, etc. |
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sekjal |
these are just my off-the-cuff guesses, of course |
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mib_0zoee |
Seriously? I would have thought a lot longer.....anyway, it is what I have tasked myself to do, so hopefully I will get there.....I suppose there are other parts too though, of Koha, like........ |
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mib_0zoee |
XML, XSLT, Perl Templates etc |
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owen |
HTML, CSS, JavaScript |
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mib_0zoee |
Well, HTML and CSS I have reasonably covered.....JavaScript - not so much!!! |
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CGI112 |
can i install the harley version in my server |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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owen |
CGI112: You can, but I don't recommend it |
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CGI112 |
hareley has more features than koha ? |
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wizzyrea_ |
I have reasons to believe that you really should not install it. |
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mib_0zoee |
I can vouche for not installing it (Harley)......spent hours before I realised that it, well, how can I put this.....has some short comings..... |
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sekjal |
CGI122: no, Koha has more features in total |
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owen |
CGI112: PTFS/Liblime calls Harley as a "release," where it really should have been offered only as a development branch |
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sekjal |
but Harley does have features that Koha has not yet integrated (for a variety of reasons) |
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ivanc |
hi cait |
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* druthb |
waves to cait and wizzyrea. |
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cait |
:) |
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* wizzyrea |
waves to druthb |
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ivanc |
:) |
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paul_p |
hello world ! |
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wizzyrea |
hey paul_p |
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cait |
hey paul_p |
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jcamins |
Hey there, #koha |
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jcamins |
Did I miss anything exciting? |
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sekjal |
jcamins: someone asked us the difference between koha and liblime |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I saw that. |
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sekjal |
other than that, I'm working on parsing MFHD |
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SJeffery |
Do you have a designated place on your desk or wall to bang your head against every time you get asked a question like that? |
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jcamins |
mib_0zoee: I think sekjal's estimate of how long it would take to learn Perl is reasonable, *but* that's not the only way to contribute to Koha. |
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SJeffery |
<--Had to explain the difference four times to his bosses, and expects to have to repeat it many more times. |
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jcamins |
sekjal: you have my condolences. And, of course, my deepest respect. |
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sekjal |
SJeffery: the trick is explaining the difference clearly and concisely without letting my personal feelings on the whole matter color anything I say. |
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sekjal |
jcamins: yeah, with any luck the work I do for this project can be merged back into the Koha importers |
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sekjal |
let us import/export our serials holdings a little easier |
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mib_0zoee |
What else could I do....? - eager beaver..... |
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owen |
mib_0zoee: I got started by working on templates. All it took was knowledge of HTML and CSS |
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owen |
Documentation is ALWAYS appreciated :) |
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jcamins |
mib_0zoee: testing, helping with documentation, fixing problems with templates (you said you knew HTML and CSS)... |
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jcamins |
Whoops. Apparently I'm getting some lag and owen already suggested two of my ideas. |
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mib_0zoee |
Ah yes, documentation..... well if I ever contribute I will certain document it......yep, HTML and CSS is fine with me, however, I can't say I have found any bugs....yet! |
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jcamins |
mib_0zoee: want a list? http://bugs.koha-community.org/ ;) |
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mib_0zoee |
:-) ^^ But there not just template bugs though! |
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mib_0zoee |
Actually , I did find a strange Marc display bug yesterday, which I meant to log as a bug...... |
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SJeffery |
I think people are going to enjoy the code that we end up having contributed, looking at lots of nifty small features. |
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jcamins |
Go to Search, Advanced Search, and choose "Templates" as the Component. |
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jcamins |
Then roll up your sleeves and have fun. ;) |
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owen |
mib_0zoee: Are you up to speed on using Git? |
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mib_0zoee |
OK.....I see now....plenty to do..... |
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jcamins |
owen: oh, yeah, forgot about that requirement. |
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jcamins |
mib_0zoee: if not, this page is really helpful: wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git |
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mib_0zoee |
Regarding GIT.....no, I have been trying to get my head around it but time has been against me, I have it on my list though! |
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owen |
It's a good place to start since you'll want it set up before you submit patches |
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mib_0zoee |
Cool, will look into it.......gotta go now though, knocking off time where I am.......I'll be back! |
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wizzyrea |
oh, I was oging to point him to http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
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wizzyrea |
nuts. That's what I get for going down the youtube vortex |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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druthb |
hm |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
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druthb |
heh. |
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wizzyrea |
>.> |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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wizzyrea |
<.< |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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druthb |
dang. |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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wizzyrea |
munin likes you today |
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munin |
druthb: *click* |
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munin |
wizzyrea: Error: "likes" is not a valid command. |
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druthb |
guess so. |
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druthb |
pity. |
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wizzyrea |
aw |
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druthb |
I keep hopin' munin will put me out of my misery. But it had a shot, and blew it. |
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owen |
You must seek the munin within to find peace |
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druthb |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
@roulette |
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munin |
wizzyrea: *click* |
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druthb |
@roulette |
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druthb was kicked by munin: BANG! |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
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druthb |
that's better. |
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SJeffery |
It being a web app, is it technically possible to have the printing of labels bypass the output as pdf stage and send it directly to the printer? |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: I think chris_n said something about that not working because Firefox won't let you change the margins. |
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owen |
I don't think that's what SJeffery means |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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owen |
And anyway I think chris_n got his margin problem sorted out |
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jcamins |
Oh, did he? Hooray! |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: so in conclusion, don't listen to me wrt labels. |
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owen |
SJeffery: Do you mean printing directly from the browser? |
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SJeffery |
I mean either have it display a webpage that you can click file->print and have it print correctly when the proper printer is selected or something similar (for example, I believe Zebra printers can have code directly sent to them) |
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owen |
SJeffery: The problem with printing from the browser is that you'll get different results from different browsers |
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owen |
But I suppose it's possible, through trial and error. |
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SJeffery |
I'm going to be starting a project of retroactive cataloging of 5k items, all of which need new labels and book cards, so the less time and frustration it takes the better. |
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wizzyrea |
chris_n might have advice about using the zebra printers |
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wizzyrea |
the other option is to do them in batches: catalog 50, print 50 labels |
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wizzyrea |
apply 50 labels |
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SJeffery |
Yeah, doable (as long as you keep them in order), but PDFs have their own problems with printing to Zebras. |
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SJeffery |
Is there already a template or function to print book/circulation cards in Koha? |
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wizzyrea |
I would use a laser for a project like that, honestly |
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wizzyrea |
but maybe I'm underestimating the awesomeness of the zebra printers |
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mib_f0dw8 |
i want to show certain marc fields like 041a "language code", 952p "barcode" in search results or on item details in the opac similar to how the "Physical Description" is displayed when the 300a field exists. i thought this might be in koha to marc mapping but it seems that's not what i'm looking for |
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wizzyrea |
I don't think there's a template for that |
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wizzyrea |
but it shouldn't be too hard to do |
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jcamins |
mib_f0dw8: in order to do that you'd need to edit the template by hand. |
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wizzyrea |
if you can measure. |
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wizzyrea |
(I'm sure you can) |
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jcamins |
mib_f0dw8: what version of Koha are you on? |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: the latest git |
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SJeffery |
Wizzyrea, I have a laser for the circulation cards and a Zebra for barcodes and spine labels. |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: sorry, i dont think i understand what you mean by the template |
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jcamins |
mib_f0dw8: do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC? |
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mib_f0dw8 |
mib_f0dw8: MARC21 |
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mib_f0dw8 |
whoops |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: MARC21 |
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jcamins |
Okay, the files you'll need to edit are koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl and MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl in the same directory and... |
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jcamins |
koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl |
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jcamins |
Those are XSLT stylesheets that are used for the OPAC Detail page, OPAC Results page, and Intranet Detail page, respectively. |
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jcamins |
*used to format those pages |
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mib_f0dw8 |
ahh i see now how this is going to work |
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owen |
Welcome CGI415, have you seen the new home of the Koha project? http://www.koha-community.org |
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CGI415 |
hola |
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CGI415 |
alguien me puede auadar? |
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CGI415 |
ayudar |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: thanks a bunch |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: also, just another question. is there anything like amazon aws for DVDs? |
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CGI415 |
anyone can help me whit a question? |
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owen |
Give us a try CGI415, we don't know the question! |
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CGI415 |
about save a record! |
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jcamins |
mib_f0dw8: you mean for covers? I'm not sure. Not to my knowledge. |
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CGI415 |
a need enable |
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mib_f0dw8 |
jcamins: yeah , oh well, it was worth a shot |
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CGI415 |
a need enable "save a record in the opac |
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CGI415 |
sorry, no enable "save a record" in the opac |
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owen |
CGI415: The "save record" feature is enabled by default in the OPAC |
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jcamins |
CGI415: what do you mean? By default there's an option to save records as BIBTEX, MARC, MARCXML, MODS, etc. |
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CGI415 |
yes, but i cant not enable? |
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jcamins |
CGI415: you mean you want to disable it so that it is not visible? |
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CGI415 |
es |
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CGI415 |
yes |
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owen |
CGI415: You could add custom CSS to your OpacUserCSS preference: #export { display: none; } |
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CGI415 |
on value? |
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CGI415 |
owen.... i dont understand....explain me please |
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owen |
In Koha's system preferences, look for one named "OpacUserCSS" |
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CGI415 |
ok |
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CGI415 |
and... |
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owen |
Edit that preference, and add this as the value: |
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owen |
#export { display: none; } |
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CGI415 |
and variable type? |
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owen |
Don't change anything else |
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CGI415 |
ok |
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CGI415 |
value : #export { display: none; } |
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CGI415 |
only #export or #export { display: none; } |
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owen |
#export { display: none; } |
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CGI415 |
ok |
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CGI415 |
owen) |
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CGI415 |
i have other quiestion...do you can help me owen |
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jcamins |
CGI415: ask your question, and we'll see if anyone can help. |
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CGI415 |
i need to do the same whit the "Search for this title in:" i want disable, not visible in the opac |
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owen |
CGI415: What version are you running? |
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CGI415 |
3.0.2 |
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owen |
#further { display: none; } |
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owen |
Add that to OpacUserCSS as well |
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CGI415 |
ok |
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CGI415 |
thank you |
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owen |
Lots of traffic from koha.org today |
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CGI594 |
how can get the koha enterprise |
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owen |
Welcome CGI594, have you seen the new home of the Koha project? http://www.koha-community.org |
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owen |
CGI594, if you're referring to "Liblime Enterprise Koha," you'll have to ask Liblime. It's not really Koha, so we don't deal with it here. |
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CGI578 |
mum thew me nd dad out *we got 28 days can some one help with htis eroor |
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CGI578 |
can some one help with an error plz |
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CGI578 |
The following fatal error has occurred: Modification of non-creatable array value attempted, subscript -4 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/z3950_search.pl line 196. |
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CGI578 |
anyone ? |
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owen |
What version are you using CGI578, and what led to the error? |
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owen |
Glad we were so much help CGI578 |
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rhcl |
Probably needs to find lodging for the night. |
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CGI415 |
owen i need delete "Publication Date Range" in the opac advanced seach |
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owen |
yeah, rhcl, my mom only kicked me out for a week when my Koha installation went down. |
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owen |
CGI415: Try #pubrange { display: none; } |
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rhcl |
:) |
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CGI415 |
and the same whit "Limit to any of the following:" |
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owen |
#advsearch-itemtype { display : none; } |
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CGI415 |
yeaap thank you |
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CGI415 |
other question.....how do i can the words "and" "or" "not" to spanish words "y" "o" "no" |
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CGI415 |
change |
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CGI415 |
sorry |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
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CGI415 |
only need change from "search for" |
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CGI415 |
spanish and english is the same... |
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CGI415 |
and, or, not |
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CGI415 |
i need change it for y, o , no |
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owen |
CGI415: Why not use a fully translated template? |
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owen |
@wunder 45701 |
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munin |
owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 22.8�C (2:30 PM EDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Steady). |
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owen |
Beautiful day out there. Here's to offices with windows that open! |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder 66049 |
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munin |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 23.1�C (1:32 PM CDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling). |
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wizzyrea |
yep, similarly perfect here |
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CGI415 |
ok....owen the same to "Subtype limits" delete it in the opac |
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owen |
#subtypes { display : none; } |
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CGI415 |
thanks |
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owen |
You're not going to have a lot left CGI415 :) |
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tries to crawl out from under a major ac outage which has caused his gateway server to crash :-P |
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richard |
hi |
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chris_n |
one dhcp and bind fix later... the natives are happy again |
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chris |
:) |
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rhcl |
was it your ac power or air conditioning? |
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jcamins_a |
Is it just me or has this been a strange day in #koha? |
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SJeffery |
Strange here? Not as far as I have sene. Then again, I have been buried in a literature search for five hours. |
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jcamins |
I guess by "strange" I meant "an unusual number of people from koha.org, including one who was apparently kicked out of his/her house." |
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* SJeffery |
checks whether it is a full moon tonight |
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chris |
hehe |
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chris |
yeah there were a lot of hte CGI ppl |
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sekjal |
perhaps it's people gearing up for tomorrow's WEBCAST |
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jcamins |
What's tomorrow's WEBCAST? |
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SJeffery |
There's a webcast? |
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chris |
another one? |
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jcamins |
What was the first one? |
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sekjal |
LibLime is sponsoring a webcast, like they did a few weeks ago |
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sekjal |
apparently there is a Fall Series |
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chris |
about how not to do open source? |
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chris |
they are experts in that |
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sekjal |
the title, I think, is "Exploring KOHA" |
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chris |
</friday_snarkiness> |
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sekjal |
it seems to cover the "evolution of Koha" |
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chris |
heh, that'll be interesting |
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sekjal |
By attending this Webcast you will learn: |
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sekjal |
Koha Then and Now |
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sekjal |
The Evolution of Koha Support Companies |
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sekjal |
Who is using Koha? See their systems |
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sekjal |
Explore patron and staff client capabilities of Koha |
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sekjal |
tomorrow, at 11am EDT |
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chris |
if anyone goes id love a report |
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chris |
i suspect a lot of history will be rewritten |
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jcamins |
I wasn't invited. |
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jcamins |
At least, I don't think I was. |
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chris |
some librarians in nz were |
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sekjal |
Please RSVP to ksherman liblime.com on or before Wednesday September 29, as space is limited |
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sekjal |
I'd love to sit in on it, but I have work to do. |
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chris |
*nod* |
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chris |
id just like to point people at |
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chris |
http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/sponsors/ |
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chris |
and http://koha-community.org/about/history/ |
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chris |
but its friday .. ill be happy again now :) |
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sekjal |
oh, wow, I'm really off by a day... |
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sekjal |
I think I need a weekend |
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SJeffery |
I insist that it is Thursday and you crazy kiwis have it all wrong. |
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chris |
heh |
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richard |
definately friday on my calendar :) |
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chris |
its precisely 6 hours and 8 minutes until beer oclock |
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jcamins |
Heh. Lucky. |
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chris |
sekjal: you booked hotel and stuff eh? |
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sekjal |
haven't done the hotel yet; it's just been bumped up my list |
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sekjal |
my very long, ever-growing list |
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sekjal |
::sigh:: |
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chris |
:) |
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sekjal |
but I'm registered, and going on the Levin trip |
| 20:49 |
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chris |
they are starting to fill up |
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cait |
sekjal: don't wait too long |
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chris |
yay!! |
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chris |
what cait said |
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cait |
hi chris and sekjal :) |
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chris |
i cant have too many ppl on my floor |
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cait |
jcamins around? |
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chris |
:) |
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sekjal |
I'm really excited to learn more about Maori culture; I don't know nearly as much as I feel I should |
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sekjal |
chris: any books you'd recommend for some pre-reading? |
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chris |
you'll be learning a song on the bus on the way up :) |
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chris |
hmm yeah 2 secs |
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* chris |
calls his dad |
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jcamins |
cait: Yes I am. |
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cait |
sekjal: I am staying at travelodge, I think some others are at west plaza and magnus is at book lovers |
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cait |
still interested in my ohloh patch? :) |
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chris_n |
rhcl: either one could be equally devastating, but this was a total power outage for about 1.5 hours |
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cait |
I thought I had it in my installation at workt... but it was on the laptop all the time |
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chris_n |
long enough to kill every ups on the place |
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jcamins |
cait: Sure, signing things off is a good way to start accomplishing things this evening. |
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chris_n |
that particular box had been up for over 700 days |
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sekjal |
hopefully I'll have a little time tomorrow to get my accomodations squared away |
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sekjal |
it's been a crazy week |
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cait |
cool, can you pm me your mail adress? |
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cait |
my organisation lacks a bit today |
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cait |
sekjal: definitely |
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* chris_n |
wants to see a windows box do that |
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chris |
http://www.librarything.com/work/735669 |
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chris |
thats a good one sekjal |
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sekjal |
thanks, chris. Added to my list. |
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chris_n |
bbl |
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* wizzyrea |
moaned the day she took down her KanGuard server that had an uptime of 1500 days |
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wizzyrea |
plenty of squid restarts for config changes, but no crashes. |
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chris |
no kernel upgrades .. thats crazy talk :) |
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wizzyrea |
I inherited it... I was half afraid if I turned it off it would die >.> |
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wizzyrea |
I iprobably won't ever have one that goes on that long ever again, sadly. |
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chris |
yeah theres always the danger the disks wont spin up again |
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SJeffery |
Does Koha link through the 773 field? |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: kind of. |
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jcamins |
cait's working on some super linking code, though. :) |
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jcamins |
cait++ |
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cait |
SJeffery: yep, I am working on something, using $w and Control number from 001 |
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jcamins |
cait++ # the linking code is so awesome she needs double karma |
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SJeffery |
cait, any estimate on when it will be done? |
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cait |
I hope to send something out on the weekend |
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cait |
for qa and comments |
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* jcamins |
is absolutely thrilled and amazed |
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chris |
not a developer my butt |
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cait |
my plan is to implement a sys pref to turn it off and on and push it to a public repo for chris to pull from |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
cati++ |
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chris |
heh and |
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chris |
cait++ |
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cait |
chris? |
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chris |
yes? |
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cait |
hm, scroll down first... |
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SJeffery |
sweet, glad to hear it cait...doing some planning with our project to start cataloging 1000+ "in analytics" per year and adding them to our catalog. |
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cait |
my ? was about your butt and developer comment :) |
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chris |
ahh |
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SJeffery |
And a lack of linking makes it suck\ |
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chris |
theres no way you can pretend you arent a developer now :) |
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cait |
we have a lot more links, but I hope my code will be useful for others too |
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SJeffery |
cait, are you doing from the child to the parent, parent to the child, or both? |
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cait |
jcamins: all you see is in staff too |
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cait |
including your article icon :) |
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cait |
i did article to serial, but not seral to article |
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sekjal |
okay, #koha, this is my stop. Have a great rest of the day/night/weekend, wherever you all are |
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cait |
it will produce no results most of the time, not many articles in our catalogs |
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cait |
SJeffery: sekjal has a RFC on the wiki about analytics |
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SJeffery |
cait, not really useful for journals, but we deal with a lot of conference papers where it could come in handy |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
I think you can find out how many results there wil be with jquery, but a server side solution would be better |
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cait |
perhaps we could make it a sys pref |
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cait |
if the top down links for analytics show |
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jcamins |
cait: All signed off. |
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SJeffery |
Yep. Could also limit it to certain types (as in don't show for magazines but show for X) |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
can be more difficult |
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SJeffery |
Once I get our test instance up (*crosses fingers that it will actually be before the end of October*) analytics will be our main focus, so I will start doing some planning on it. |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
SJeffery: I would appreciate your comments on my work - really want to build something that chris will include in 3.4 :) |
| 21:31 |
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SJeffery |
Though really, FRBR makes defining these relationships a lot easier, but as RDA is looking to be implemented it will be really messy. |
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cait |
our goal is to have no local customizations in our installations :) |
| 21:34 |
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SJeffery |
sure cait. Just let me know when and how:D |
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SJeffery |
Doh. I was just shown why I hate bugzilla. |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: why's that? |
| 21:36 |
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SJeffery |
You can't silently add yourself to the CC list. |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
Yes, I see you added yourself as a CC on one of my bugs. |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
I need to update that bug, actually. |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
SJeffery: bug 4506 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w |
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cait |
that's what my work is about |
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SJeffery |
Ah, ok. I just did a search for analytics and that was the only one that came up, so I added to that |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
Oh, I already updated it. |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
That was smart of me. |
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SJeffery |
heh |
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SJeffery |
I prefer Mantis over Bugzilla, but at least the interface has improved over the last five years. |
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SJeffery |
Cait, did you look at the (what there is) existing RDA documentation for how linking will change and whether 773 is going to be used for that? |
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cait |
SJeffery: I am sorry, i have not looked at RDA yet |
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cait |
I was trying to build something that will work with our existing data |
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jcamins |
(zing!) |
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cait |
but RDA is discussed here in Germany too and one of my coworkers is kind of an expert, I can try to get some information from her |
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cait |
zing? |
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jcamins |
One way to interpret that statement is that RDA doesn't work with the existing data. ;) |
| 21:42 |
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SJeffery |
What FRBR does (and RDA does a poor job of implementing) is add the concept of relationships between items/works/whatever...more than just the existing effectively unlabeled 773 field. So for example, you could define that X is a summary of Y, or included in, a part of, annotated by, etc. I just have not looked at the latest RDA stuff to see if they |
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SJeffery |
implemented it using the 773 or what they did. |
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chris |
RDA is a pile of mess |
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chris |
thrown on top another pile of mess |
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chris |
in the hopes that they will cancel each other out |
| 21:43 |
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SJeffery |
I love FRBR and have worked a lot with it, but RDA is the result of too many compromises. They tried to make it as compatible as possible with existing MARC records instead of just coming out with a completely new standard. |
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chris |
yeah exactly |
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chris |
koha 1.0 was frbrish without any idea what frbr was/is |
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SJeffery |
Even worse, they continued the tradition of making nightmarishly complex and long documentation that doesn't really provide any assistance. |
| 21:44 |
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SJeffery |
RDA documentation = just as bad as AACR2 |
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chris |
its moved further away as native MARC support was added |
| 21:45 |
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SJeffery |
I almost wonder if it would be worth adding all of the linking functionality on top of MARC and within Koha (independant of the records) to give all of the great linking/relationship options present in FRBR. |
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* SJeffery |
cringes as hordes of angry catalogers start running in his direction |
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cait |
jcamins: oh, not intended. |
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jcamins |
cait: well, _I_ probably would have intended it. ;) |
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cait |
after all teh karma I got today... is it a good time to mention my not signed-off bug list? |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
bug 5194 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5194 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Patron notification on new issues not working |
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wizzyrea |
http://twitter.com/#!/jlongipl/status/26003375344 |
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chris |
http://twitter.com/#!/wizzyrea/status/26005210768 |
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jcamins |
cait: I signed off on all the patches I could. |
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cait |
and I am grateful for that jcamins :) |
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cait |
jcamins## |
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cait |
jcamins++ |
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cait |
@karma jcamins |
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munin |
cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18. |
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jcamins |
Ooh, that's a lot of karma. :) |
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jcamins |
@karma cait |
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munin |
jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26. |
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jcamins |
@karma kf |
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munin |
jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29. |
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cait |
29 cookies + 26 cookies = .... yum |
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Braedon |
now if only munin would start sending people cookies |
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* Braedon |
would prefer muffins (blueberry) if anyone wants to start this |
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jcamins |
munin: I would prefer chocolate chip cookies. |
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munin |
jcamins: Error: "I" is not a valid command. |
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Braedon |
@karma Braedon |
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munin |
Braedon: Karma for "Braedon" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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Braedon |
woo, one for me |
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robin |
@karma zebra |
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munin |
robin: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 3 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 0. |
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robin |
sounds about right :) |
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Braedon |
@karma nozebra |
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munin |
Braedon: nozebra has neutral karma. |
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Braedon |
nozebra- |
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chris |
yeah when zebra works its awesome, when it doesnt, its hard to figure out why |
| 22:13 |
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chris |
but usually its our fault |
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chris |
C4::Search-- |
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Braedon |
@karma nozebra |
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munin |
Braedon: nozebra has neutral karma. |
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Braedon |
damn, forgot the second - didn't i |
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Braedon |
nozebra-- |
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jcamins |
regional_cookie_shortages-- |
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SJeffery |
Boy would it be nice if I didn't have to do original cataloging for every single thing I receive. |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: I can wholeheartedly relate to that. |
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jcamins |
What does your library relate to? |
| 22:17 |
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SJeffery |
Received five conference proceedings, all are lacking records, only one has had any previous conference in LC, and all will need analytics for each paper. |
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SJeffery |
jcamins, we are one of the larger mining companies |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's pretty specialized. |
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jcamins |
If you want to feel better about the state of your cataloging records... http://donum.numismatics.org/ |
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jcamins |
Do a search by item type AR (Article). |
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SJeffery |
jcamis, I think that page needs an explanation of what numastics is :D |
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jcamins |
Heh. The study of coins. |
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jcamins |
But I was just referring to the... |
| 22:20 |
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jcamins |
Oh, wait, yes, it should. |
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jcamins |
I see what you mean. |
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jcamins |
120388 in-analytics. |
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SJeffery |
And if you want to feel better, every single one of our records is created in a system that does not support MARC and in fields that are 100% uncontrolled and by people with no training as a librarian. |
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SJeffery |
Ouch, we are only at somewhere around 15k. |
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jcamins |
And it's been over a year since we suspended indexing. |
| 22:22 |
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SJeffery |
Grr, and the logo in the top left should be clickable to the society |
| 22:22 |
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jcamins |
It should also not be horribly pixelated, and the colors should match on the OPAClogo. |
| 22:22 |
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SJeffery |
And don't forget blinking...it definitely needs to blink |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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jcamins |
At least the HTML seems to be basically standard-compliant now. |
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jcamins |
closing_tags++ |
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SJeffery |
What are these standards you speak of? I do not think my organization is familiar with them:D |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Maybe we should have a support group... ;) |
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SJeffery |
Your analytics link back to a search of just the title? Ouch. (reason I am excited others are doing work on the Koha code for them) |
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jcamins |
Some of the analytics link to a search by ISSN/etc. |
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SJeffery |
Sure, but our meetings will have to be scheduled around my support group for librarians who have been told by their IT department that their library catalog needs to be put into SharePoint instead because it can do everything and is the standard. |
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* jcamins |
giggles - sorry, I totally understand that |
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robin |
SJeffery: that..that happens? |
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robin |
tell me you made that up |
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robin |
please |
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SJeffery |
Three times in five years. |
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SJeffery |
Most recently in February |
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robin |
:< |
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SJeffery |
At least this time it didn't get to the SVP of the 25,000 person company. |
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cait |
jcamins: I have not added a fallback to issn yet :( |
| 22:31 |
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cait |
and yes, I am still awake... hmpf. |
| 22:31 |
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jcamins |
cait: that's okay. Our fallback to issn doesn't really work. |
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SJeffery |
ISSN wouldn't really work for us either, about half would not have them. |
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* jcamins |
sighs -- he's not accomplishing anything this evening |
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* chris_n1 |
hands cait a pillow |
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cait |
chris_n thx :) |
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SJeffery |
jcamis do you think of proceedings as being a serial record or a monograph record? |
| 22:35 |
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robin |
anyone happen to know the purpose of 'notify_id' in the accountlines table? Trying to work it out from the code is tricky, and the documentation isn't helpful |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
robin: a features that was once there |
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cait |
not anymore |
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robin |
ah, good, I'll ignore it then, ta |
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cait |
there are more leftovers in other tables, code and even templates |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
like the overdue reports in staff |
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cait |
I think chris will know more |
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robin |
we should see about getting a "negative lines of code added" for 3.4 :) |
| 22:36 |
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robin |
he has no idea |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: monograph. |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
hm, I remember talking to him about that :P |
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chris |
there will be public floggings for removing features without good documentation as to why |
| 22:36 |
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robin |
maybe he's forgotten :) |
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cait |
something about another system of fines and notices |
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chris |
notify_id is not something i did |
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chris |
not understanding how something works is not a good enough reason to remove it |
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cait |
I believe you :) |
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* chris_n1 |
thinks notices needs to be entirely overhauled |
| 22:37 |
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cait |
chris_n++ |
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SJeffery |
jcamis, k, glad I am not the only one. The official practice seems to be serials, but from the practical perspective it seems like you have to do them as monographs to embed TOCs and such. |
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chris_n1 |
its sort of hacky atm |
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robin |
(/me is reimplementing refunds for a client, as they got removed in 3.0) |
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chris |
reimplementation is fine, but no turning the feature off until its replaced |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: if you really wanted you could have a serial record for the conference, an analytic for each *volume* and then analytics for each *article*, but that sounds... icky. |
| 22:38 |
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chris |
security would be the one exception to that rule |
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* cait |
immediately things about the nice links in the budgets table on acq homepage |
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cait |
s/things/thinks |
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chris |
cait: exactly like that |
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cait |
we have our first ever acq training on monday |
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* jcamins |
sighs -- it's official- he hasn't accomplished anything this evening. |
| 22:39 |
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cait |
and serials on tuesday... |
| 22:39 |
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SJeffery |
jcamis: That is something I have been considering, at least in cases where the conference name has either changed a lot or is confusing |
| 22:39 |
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cait |
jcamins: you spend time with us and signed off on my patch :) |
| 22:40 |
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jcamins |
cait: true. |
| 22:40 |
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cait |
jcamins: perhaps a set like we have? |
| 22:40 |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: once kf's analytic patches are in, that will work better. |
| 22:40 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 22:40 |
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cait |
look at handbuch der religionspädagogik |
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SJeffery |
I do hope so |
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cait |
it's a work with 3 volumes |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: my personal bias is to have a 490/811. |
| 22:41 |
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jcamins |
Well, actually I always use 810. |
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cait |
and a set record (I took the word set from the marc21 documentation, not sure if it's correct) |
| 22:41 |
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cait |
it will work for 800/810/811 and 830 (if I remember correctly) |
| 22:42 |
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cait |
perhaps needs some more subfields added to show, I did not have time to find an example for each |
| 22:42 |
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jcamins |
cait: yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of. |
| 22:43 |
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SJeffery |
I still need to find some good examples of journal article and conference paper analytic records in OCLC that I can use as a template...have not had much experience with them as marc records. |
| 22:43 |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: I don't think analytics are supposed to be uploaded to OCLC. |
| 22:44 |
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SJeffery |
they are |
| 22:44 |
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SJeffery |
It just is not that common, but I have been noticing more and more as some of the databases out there have been imported into worldcat |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
I think ours might be there to |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
o |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
but we had to remove all the nice links and new things... |
| 22:46 |
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SJeffery |
The real problem with them in worldcat is the holdings information is useless as only the original library ever has holdings and OCLC does not sync it with those that have the issuing publication. |
| 22:47 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 22:47 |
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SJeffery |
this is the response I got from OCLC in July about analytic records : |
| 22:47 |
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SJeffery |
In WorldCat.org, OCLC has loaded analytic records with the WorldCat bib records to show users all the items available on the topics they are searching. This shows up only in WorldCat.org, not in the cataloging view of the database. I am not sure how many analytic records appear in WorldCat through Connexion. |
| 22:48 |
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SJeffery |
So relatively rare, but allowed (they even have posted guidelines for them). |
| 22:49 |
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SJeffery |
On the plus side, OCLC will be paying us for using their services since we will end up creating far more records than we download (after the initial conversion). |
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jcamins |
That's very nifty. |
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jcamins |
Sadly our cataloging historically has been so abysmal that pretty much none of our records could be uploaded to OCLC. |
| 22:53 |
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SJeffery |
Same here, but new records are another matter, though since I am the one that will have to do them I am not particularly delighted with that. |
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SJeffery |
And on that note, time to get away from the office |
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