IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-01

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00:52 brendan @wunder 93117
00:52 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.6�C (5:55 PM PDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).
00:52 chris @wunder wellington, nz
00:52 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
00:53 chris its pretty much always wrong
00:53 chris :)
00:53 chris i guess cos its out at the airport
00:53 robin chris: although, that's about right
00:53 brendan heh
00:54 brendan 16 would be unseasonable warm eh?
00:54 chris cept for the clouds bit
00:54 chris nope its at least 16 out
00:54 brendan ah
00:54 chris which is about right for october
00:54 chris its hard to know in town tho, cos all the glass and concrete reflect the heat around
00:56 chris if its weather like this for the conference ill be happy
00:59 * chris just realised this is his 12th day in a row working, cos i did the go live last weekend, no wonder im having trouble concentrating
01:11 robin chris: you should take tomorrow off
01:12 chris heh
01:12 chris i think ill finish at 4pm today
01:13 brendan yeah take tomorrow off dude
01:26 * chris_n1 finds a blundering error in the labels code :-P
01:27 chris_n1 0.01 is *not* 10%
01:35 chris :)
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03:14 Amit hi chris
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03:47 brendan heya Amit
03:48 Amit heya brendan
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05:25 REFORMER debian did not recognized my pc's ethernet card and wifi, now I want to move ubuntu
05:26 REFORMER is Installation " KOHA-ILS " on Ubuntu is same as on debian-lenny,  I want to install ubuntu via window installer
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07:07 kf good morning #koha
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07:13 kmkale hi kf, hdl
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07:28 kf hi ivanc
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07:42 hdl hi all
07:42 kf hi chris_n1
07:42 kf isn't it too early for you?
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07:52 magnus g'day #koha
07:57 kf hi magnus :)
07:57 kf 18 days!!
07:58 magnus hi kf - that's like almost nothing! ;-)
07:58 kf still have to buy a lot of things... uh
07:58 kf it's really like nothing
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11:24 druthb mornin'.
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11:29 kf good morning druthb :)
11:30 druthb hiya, kf. :)
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11:38 kmkale hi druthb
11:39 druthb hi, kmkale! :)
11:39 magnus hiya druthb, paul_p, chris_n, kmkale et al
11:40 paul_p hi magnus
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11:43 jwagner Hi magnus
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11:48 kf hi jwagner :)
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12:27 owen jwagner and druthb you really start early!
12:27 kf hi owen
12:28 druthb owen:  yep; usually around 07:30, local time.  I catch a 6:30 bus to get here.
12:28 owen I hope that means you're not working til 5PM
12:29 druthb no, I usually leave here on a 15:30 bus, and do some evening work occasionally.
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12:32 jwagner The traffic isn't as bad that early -- I'd rather get to work at 7:30 half-awake than deal with the traffic that would be in place if I tried coming in at 8:30.
12:33 * owen likes coming to work early when it's quiet
12:36 druthb it's *never* terribly quiet here, unfortunately.  my office is directly across from the breakroom, and jwagner's is very close to the copier/printer/scanner for this end of the building.
12:37 jwagner And in both places, people tend to converse at the tops of their little lungs :-(
12:37 druthb Yes.  The notion of "inside voices" never seemed to catch on among certain people here.
12:38 jwagner Fortunately, our boss is quite open to the concept of working from home :-)
12:38 larsw what you need is noise-activated sprinklers
12:38 owen druthb: Tell it to my kids!
12:39 owen Man if I had a nickel for every time I opened up expecting to find something useful...
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12:40 druthb larsw:  I have discovered that a moderately-well-powered slam of my door disrupts them for a little bit.
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12:50 hdl hi all.
12:50 hdl I am having quite surprising answers using scan indexes. Anyone who played with that ?
12:52 hdl a) it is not taking into account any truncation attribute... That is you cannot scan for something which is NOT the beginning of the subfield
12:52 hdl b) when you search for "Dun" you can get things like "duo"....
12:54 kf hdl: I have played with it, the display is broken for some characters, like ß and umlauts
12:56 kf hdl: your description sounds ok to me - because that's what I expect from an index search
12:56 kf starting at the beginning
12:56 kf do you have dun in your database?
12:56 hdl Yes.
12:56 hdl I get some.
12:56 kf ah ok
12:57 hdl But also other things.
12:57 kf yeah, taht seems normal to me
12:57 kf it's like a book of workds
12:57 kf words
12:57 hdl first point is not normal to me.
12:57 kf so you see what is before and after your search too
12:58 kf I am not sure I can explain right what I meant :(
12:58 hdl I expected to be able to input any part of a subfield... And it would search that.
12:58 kf I think we have different expectations
12:59 kf what I know from horizon about alphabetic indexes is very similar to the koha thing, what I miss is a pagination
12:59 kf to go back and forth
12:59 kf see what is around my search term in the alphabetic index
12:59 hdl For instance if I type diable with a scan @attr 1=7 @attr 5=3 @attr 6=3 Diable
12:59 hdl I would like to get "Au Diable vauvert"
13:00 kf hm
13:00 kf I think the thing is is that I have an alphabetic index in mind and you a keyword index
13:00 kf not sure what koha's index search is supposed to be :)
13:01 hdl well, atm maybe you are right.
13:01 hdl information about scan and yaz are very scarce.
13:03 kf I see 3 bugs in bugzilla for scan index
13:03 kf bug 3630
13:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3630 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, probleme with scan indexes
13:03 kf bug 4393
13:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4393 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Searching with scan indexes and sort by title fails
13:03 kf bug 4397
13:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search
13:04 kf hm fredericd send a patch adding pagination - but seems not to be pushed
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13:15 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:16 jcamins hdl: I'm pretty sure the Zebra scan index is left-anchored, but I think there's some way to make it do a keyword index. I'll see if I can locate that.
13:18 Braedon good morn jcamins
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13:26 reva Good morning all, what happens when I set a OpacBaseUrl? (We are just on a peer network (no provider for a host or anything)). And what happens with StaffBaseUrl? Basically under what kind of networking situations would I set these options? Thanks.
13:27 jcamins hdl: I cannot find the reference to non-left-anchored scans.
13:28 reva So, basically right now whenever I use my staff client, I type http://localhost:8080; and for the OPAC, I type is http://localhost.
13:30 owen reva:[…]hp?ch=c19#AEN1771
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13:36 reva so I can set my OPACBaseURL to http://localhost and it will display a link to the OPAC version of a record I am in (or working on) in the staff side, correct? But I do not understand the function of StaffclientBaseURL. First where would that link show?
13:37 reva Thanks owen: Because I was reading the Wayne state manual (for the 3.0) and it was too cryptic.:)
13:37 owen reva: Where did you find the link to the Wayne state manual?
13:38 reva It was in the community site. I have downloaded the pdf from the link there.
13:38 owen I see
13:39 owen Yeah, I would say the Wayne State manual is inaccurate on this particular point
13:40 owen It makes it sound like you can set OPACBaseURL to what you *want* your opac's url to be
13:40 owen That's not true
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13:43 reva owen, I could not say if it was accurate or not as I found it was not explaining much on this point.  Moving to setting the StaffClientBaseURL: let us say in our case I set my StaafclientBaseURL to http://localhost:8080  (which is our staff url), where would the link be displayed?
13:44 owen Koha would use that setting whenever it needed to form an absolute URL to the staff client. This would only happen during operation of the staff client itself, not the OPAC
13:45 reva ok, this is a regression routine:) I am not sure I understand absolute URL (though I have heard the term used before.)
13:46 owen An absolute URL is a full URL. A relative URL is one which only works in reference to the current page.
13:46 owen ../catalogue/ is a relative URL.
13:46 owen http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]talogue/ is a full or absolute URL
13:48 reva owen, got it: so you are giving the full path from the root when you use the absolute URL. But what is the StaffClientBaseURL function? I mean what are the situations I would set this?
13:49 owen I don't know offhand, but as far as I know it is recommended that you do.
13:53 jcamins Load testing only, it looks like.
13:53 jcamins reva: I'd set it anyway. There's no disadvantage.
13:55 reva owen, so in my case I would append the rest of the path to http://localhost:8080 (where ever my is for the catalog module), correct? So the question now is should it be set to the catalog/ Hi jcamins.
13:55 owen reva that was just an example
13:56 jcamins reva: set it to 'localhost:8080'
13:56 jcamins Wait, 'localhost:8080/'
13:56 reva owen thanks. because sometimes I am too literal:). jcamins, what is load testing?
13:56 jcamins I have no idea, but that's what it's used for. I guess maybe checking lots of books out simultaneously, and seeing if anything breaks?
13:57 kf performance tests
13:57 owen ...or seeing if your server bursts into flames
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14:00 reva ok, I will set it it to http://localhost:8080 and my OPAC to http://localhost. Owen, I hope we won't break Koha that way. But the test records (done by the trainees of course) are all wrong, so they may break it and the server.
14:01 reva Thanks jcamins, owen, and kf.
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14:04 kf the opacbaseurl is used for links in sent carts and "show in opac"links in staff
14:04 kf afaik
14:04 kf perhaps the staffurl is also used for sending carts from staff
14:04 mib_syff8 I'm having some search problems. I have rebuild my index and if I run zebrasrv in console mode I can see the search query but getting no hits, 1000's of bib there....anyone?
14:04 kf links to the records in the mail
14:06 jcamins mib_syff8:[…]on/faq/searching/
14:06 jcamins Try the third question.
14:06 mib_syff8 can't search staff either though....
14:06 jcamins mib_syff8: wait, I think I misunderstood your question.
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14:07 jcamins When you say "console mode," do you mean you're able to do the search from the console?
14:07 jcamins That's what I thought you said.
14:07 jcamins My new guess is that when you rebuilt the index you didn't do it as the koha user.
14:08 mib_syff8 sorry no, I was thinkg of try YAZ client next.....I mean just running "zerbrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" and seeing the output
14:08 jcamins I'd try the YAZ client.
14:09 mib_syff8 I was koha user alright, that user is the only one I have setup with the correct env to run the rebuild script.......I'll try YAZ !!
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14:23 mib_syff8 YAZ giving me this--->     [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default'
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14:23 schuster no wizzyrea...
14:23 schuster :(
14:24 schuster I was going to ask her about the widget she has on the koha-community with the email feed...  Anyone know anything about that?
14:29 owen schuster: You have to chant her name three times for her to appear
14:29 * owen wonders, "Or is it thirteen?"
14:31 kf wizzyrea
14:32 kf wizzyrea
14:32 kf wizzyra
14:32 kf wizzyrea
14:32 kf hm. or was it beetlejuice?
14:33 * sekjal turns towards the nearest mirror and chants "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees"
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14:49 reva Thanks kf; for the extra info on the Base URLS.
14:50 LibraryGu Hello
14:50 Braedon Hello
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14:53 wizzyrea I'm here!
14:53 wizzyrea yikes
14:53 jcamins Ha!
14:53 jcamins owen was right
14:53 wizzyrea sorry I was absorbed in a discussion of social engineering
14:54 wizzyrea >.>
14:54 jcamins I just typed your name ten times and was about to hit enter when you appeared.
14:54 jcamins Just 'cause I was curious whether it was true.
14:54 wizzyrea lol
14:54 wizzyrea schuster: which email feed?
14:55 wizzyrea < has a strange and wonderful job sometimes
14:55 Dulm Hello all
14:56 wizzyrea hey dulm
14:56 jcamins owen++ # wow! I can't wait to try that patch
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14:56 wizzyrea it was actually you thinking of me that made me appear, jcamins
14:57 jcamins Oh, not writing your name 10 times?
14:57 Dulm Patch? A nice patch?
14:57 jcamins Dulm: yeah, owen's patch reformatting lists.
14:58 * Braedon saying hello made LibraryGu disappear - that's close right?
14:59 * jcamins wonders if the person he's thinking about now will sense his thoughts and make an appearance in #koha
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15:00 billymays DID YOU SUMMON ME?
15:01 Dulm Sounds cool. How does it reformat? :)
15:01 Braedon nooo, send him back jcamins!
15:01 * billymays disappears in a puff of smoke
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15:01 Braedon that was close
15:01 jcamins I guess I need to work on my summoning powers a bit more. ;)
15:02 Braedon please do. you gave me quite a scare. things could have gotten messy
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15:05 Dulm I am still working on a collection call mapping add-on like that NEU library in Turkey - using Javascript graphics tools so only one or a few maps need used per building and the javascript graphics draw the rest - NEU created countless animated GIFs for each location
15:05 * jwagner is impressed that jcamins can summon the dead....
15:05 Dulm Fun if I can get the time to finish it. :)
15:09 wizzyrea very fun dulm
15:09 wizzyrea so schuster left?
15:11 reva hi again, we will be installing Koha 3.2 on our hard drive today. I have downloaded Debian as instructed. (And of ourse the Koha 3.2 tar.gz). But do I download the MySQL, Perl, and Apache from inside debian after stating Koha install? I am trying to follow instructions on this page:[…]STALL.debian;h=24
15:11 schuster Sorry on other websites...
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15:11 Dulm It is, anybody try to map their library with Google Sketch-Up? I'm finding by overlaying onto a blue-print image it is really pretty easy, looks nice too - then for creating maps at different angles one just needs to change the camera. There are just too many good tools these days!
15:12 reva I am not sure though it is Debian Etch that I downloaded. It is the latest stabl Debian though that I have downloaded.
15:12 jcamins Weird. Apparently signing on with mibbit inspired my internet connection to start working again.
15:12 wizzyrea That was me, I was thinking about your internet connection.
15:12 jcamins reva: the correct version of Debian is Lenny.
15:13 schuster wizzyrea - the latest posts from the email listserv on the support page.
15:13 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, thanks!
15:13 reva Yes, Lenny is what I downloaded jcamins.
15:13 wizzyrea oh, right, what did you need to know?
15:13 Braedon jcamins: perhaps billy mays was trying to get through again?
15:14 wizzyrea you mean here:[…]ha-mailing-lists/
15:14 jcamins Braedon: I suppose it's possible. Ah-ha! I'll just go out and buy some Zombie-B-Gone, As Seen On TV!
15:14 schuster wizzyrea yes.
15:14 schuster Is that a wordpress plugin or???
15:14 wizzyrea yep, it's a plugin. Sec and I'll find the one I"m using.
15:14 jcamins reva: if you follow the instructions in that document, I'm pretty sure it installs Apache and MySQL.
15:16 wizzyrea[…]in/ is the one I"m using.
15:16 wizzyrea apparently when I was working on the site, I knew german? or knew a google that did, anyway
15:16 jcamins reva: and by "pretty sure" I mean "it does."
15:18 jcamins wizzyrea: perhaps kf was thinking German-comprehension thoughts at you. :)
15:18 wizzyrea ooh, good point
15:18 reva ok, jcamins. It is just that I do not see a command in the instruction where it goes to fetch Apache or MySQL from outside sites? Or does Debian come with all these pre-installed?
15:19 jcamins reva: the instructions tell you to install all the packages that Koha requires. Koha requires Apache and MySQL. ;)
15:19 kf hm?
15:20 jcamins The script is something like apt_get_install_packages_on_lenny. But just run whichever script the documentation tells you to.
15:20 wizzyrea reva: sudo apt-get install apache2
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15:21 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-clien
15:21 jcamins To clarify, the script installs *everything* Koha requires, which includes Apache and MySQL.
15:21 wizzyrea sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
15:21 wizzyrea oo, I didn't know it did that now >.>
15:21 wizzyrea neat!
15:21 jcamins At least, that was my experience when we installed from scratch on Debian.
15:21 * wizzyrea doesn't know lots of stuff.
15:22 reva so ok, what is the sites-available in this command substituted with? sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha Ok, wizzyrea. In which case which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL should I have downloaded
15:22 wizzyrea BUT if you were to need to install apache and/or mysql
15:22 wizzyrea ...the apt packages are the most up to date. Just use apt
15:22 jcamins wizzyrea: the script uses apt.
15:23 wizzyrea ^^ or do what he said, and use the script
15:24 jcamins_m reva: that's step 4. First you need to do steps 1-3.
15:24 jcamins_m well, 1.5-3, actually.
15:25 jcamins Please ignore the fact that I'm using two different nicks. My internet connection is being troublesome.
15:25 * wizzyrea thinks harder about jcamins' internet
15:26 * druthb wonders if the cloning machine would work on wizzyrea, nengard, and gmcharlt.  More of those folks around would be nice.
15:26 * wizzyrea shudders at the thought of more than one wizzyrea. The world is scary enough.
15:27 * jcamins agrees with druthb, and thinks it would be a great idea
15:29 reva ok jcamins. Got that about following 1.5 - 3. But I guess I am asking now do I download and Apache, Perl, and MySQL and save them, so that I can instruct Debian to install them? If yes to this last question, which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL? Do I take the latest versions from the respective sites?
15:29 kf @later tell ivanc mail sent
15:29 munin kf: The operation succeeded.
15:29 nengard awww shucks thanks druthb
15:29 jcamins reva: no, just follow the instructions, and run the script in step 1.5
15:29 jcamins The only thing you should download manually is Koha.
15:29 jcamins Then you will run the script in 1.5.
15:30 jcamins Then you run the command in 1.6.
15:31 jcamins And then you should have everything installed.
15:33 * druthb cobbles a cloning device up, but needs software for it.
15:35 rhcl print me off a few tech assistants please...
15:35 reva ok, jcamins. Thanks.So when I come here :  $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages, it will give me choices for installing or not installing several dependencies. (i.e. Apache, Perl, MySQL all come built in).
15:35 reva Ok, relief and sigh:) Thanks
15:37 * druthb wants to see if rhcl will be the crash-test dummy for this new gadget.  An extra one or two of him wouldn't be bad, either.
15:40 jcamins reva: what documentation are you looking at?
15:41 jcamins The document you linked to earlier doesn't use dpkg.
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15:47 reva jcamins: i have the link only for that one (I am talking about the git.koh-community one). Would you give me the link for the correct documentation?
15:48 jcamins The link you gave is correct.
15:48 jcamins However, the step you mentioned doesn't seem to be in that document.
15:48 jcamins[…];f=INSTALL.debian
15:49 jcamins Which is very confusing.
15:49 jcamins Step 1.5 is: sudo install_misc/
15:50 jcamins reva: take me through the steps you went through to download Koha 3.2.
15:51 jcamins In your own words.
15:51 wizzyrea please.
15:51 jcamins Sorry, I thought "please" would be implied. Please.
15:52 wizzyrea I'm helping!
15:52 wizzyrea ^.^
15:52 jcamins :)
15:52 wizzyrea (that's what my 2 yr old says when he's helping... but not really helping)
15:53 reva ok, jacamins: No, I downloaded the koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz separately by going to koha-community download page and saved it.
15:53 jcamins Hm.
15:54 Dulm You'll get it
15:54 jcamins That seems right. I wonder why the document you're looking at is different.
15:55 reva and I have burned ther Debian Lenny as an ISO CD. so I am carrying my Koha download on a flash (as it is only 39 mega).
15:57 jcamins Ah-ha!
15:57 jcamins Mystery solved.
15:57 Dulm See!
15:57 jcamins The documentation you need on the Koha beta is called INSTALL.debian-lenny :)
15:58 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for pointing out what was going on
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15:59 reva Now I am looking at the page you just gave me ([…]f=INSTALL.debian). I can extract the tar.gz file using WinRar in my XP and take the folder full of Koha stuff with me and just copy it to a folder inside the partition for debian.
16:00 jcamins Right, so you can follow the online version and it'll work properly.
16:00 reva jcamins: where do I find the Install Debian-Lenny page?
16:00 jcamins Better to just use the one I linked to.
16:01 jcamins The two documents are the same, except the one I linked to is newer and has some slightly clearer instructions.
16:01 reva Ok, that is good. I see it was updated 2010 by chris.
16:02 jcamins Yup.
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16:05 * druthb waves to brendan_l
16:05 reva Thanks jcamins: will get back later. Is ther a way to transfer my this chat session to another machine in the mibbit?
16:06 kf ok, time to leave - have a nice weekend all!
16:06 jcamins No, but you can just log in from another computer.
16:06 jcamins The log is at[…]g/koha/2010-10-01
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16:06 wizzyrea bye kf... bother.
16:07 reva Ok, got it. Thanks again.
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16:49 brendan_l heya druthb :)
16:49 cait hi again #koha
16:49 brendan_l hey cait
16:55 druthb welcome back, cait. :)
17:00 ivanc hi cait
17:00 cait hi ivanc
17:15 ivanc \server
17:16 druthb @roulette
17:16 druthb was kicked by munin: BANG!
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17:16 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
17:17 * druthb does a happy dance
17:17 jcamins Heh.
17:17 cait @roulette
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17:17 munin cait: *click*
17:17 jcamins @roulette
17:17 cait puh
17:17 munin jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins @roulette
17:17 munin jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins @roulette
17:17 munin jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins @roulette
17:17 munin jcamins: *click*
17:17 cait hm jcamins?
17:17 * cait takes the gun from jcamins
17:18 jcamins Aww.
17:19 jcamins munin: I'm not giving you a cookie.
17:19 munin jcamins: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command.
17:19 rhcl cait, are you going to the opensuse conference in Nürnberg?
17:19 cait rhcl: ah no
17:19 cait I am not really a linux user (yet)
17:20 * jcamins stares in shock - the umlaut showed up under Windows!
17:20 Dulm "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."
17:20 cait jcamins: I am using umlauts in Windows all teh time - they are not that bad
17:20 rhcl windows?
17:20 rhcl Microsoft Windows?
17:20 cait yes
17:20 rhcl I need a drink. brb
17:20 jcamins cait: generally umlauts are fine. However, I'm running irssi on a Debian server and SSHed in using Cygwin.
17:20 cait *sighs*
17:21 * cait outs herself as a windows user
17:21 Dulm West of House: You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
17:21 jcamins rhcl: don't do it! You're going to turn into my predecessors!
17:22 rhcl it's only gonna be wine, a tall glass perhaps, but just wine
17:22 Dulm "open mailbox"
17:22 rhcl as long as it's not Tennessee distilled corn we're ok
17:22 jcamins rhcl: okay, that's not nearly strong enough to turn you into one of my predecessors.
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17:24 Dulm << From Zork I Anyone? :) >>
17:27 cait rhcl: are you going to nürnberg?
17:27 owen Here you go Dulm:
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17:31 cait zork?
17:32 jcamins cait:[…]NZT/zorkhist.html
17:32 Dulm Yes!
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17:33 Dulm Perhaps we can build Zork I into Koha - To get any work done people must solve text based adventure puzzles  ;)
17:35 owen It would be a great Easter egg
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17:35 Dulm Yeaaaah...
17:36 jcamins Try to check out a certain number of non-circulating books, return a certain number of circulating books, create and delete a new item record, and you're in the midst of Zork?
17:41 rhcl cait: no, but if I lived in Germany I would
17:41 wizzyrea can someone tell me if indexing has anything to do with the holds queue report?
17:41 wizzyrea and if it does, what exactly?
17:43 wizzyrea owen++ : for proposing recent comments
17:45 cait rhcl: is being at kohaconf a good excuse? :)
17:45 Dulm In could be done
17:45 Dulm Or Koha-Vaders
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17:46 Dulm A Koha logo could be the ship, and the invaders would be....hmmmm...what would a Koha fire at?
17:46 wizzyrea it wouldn't
17:48 owen-away is now known as owen
17:49 owen wizzyrea: Why the question about indexing and the holds queue?
17:49 rhcl cait: hummm, I guess that might have priority
17:49 owen the only connection I see is that the holds queue is a process that runs on a schedule just like indexing does
17:49 rhcl kohacon I mean
17:49 owen But they're not connected
17:49 cait :)
17:50 jcamins Dulm: the Koha logo could fire enlightement at previously unenlightened library systems. :)
17:55 Dulm Ah the anti-Koha
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18:10 chris morning
18:10 jwagner chris_n or chris_n1 (whoever you are today), online?
18:11 chris_n heh... "we're" here... :-)
18:11 Dulm L8er
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18:11 * chris_n glares at chris_n1
18:11 chris_n get to work over there
18:11 jwagner I'm being told about 3rd or 4th hand that entering slashes in the call number will make the spine label printing break at those points.  Is that true for any value of Koha, especially for your label creator?
18:12 chris_n not that I know of
18:13 chris_n I did have some code very early on that did that
18:13 jwagner Didn't think so -- I'd never heard of it, anyway.
18:13 chris_n but it has since been removed and replaced with splitting regexps
18:14 chris_n which always need tuning, so feel free to update bug 2500 with any numbers that will not split correctly
18:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/
18:14 jwagner OK, I'll whisper that back down the rumor chain.  Thanks.
18:15 jwagner Unrelated (mostly) question -- I got asked today how Koha would handle NLM or SUDOC call number sorts.  Anyone have any idea?
18:15 nengard NLM is very close to LOC so I have set it up and haven't had any complaints from those using it
18:15 cait morning chris
18:19 chris heya cait, hows the packing? :)
18:19 cait don't ask
18:19 cait but I realized today, that I have only 3 work days left
18:19 cait before nz, and only four before my next presentation
18:21 chris wow, not long
18:21 cait no. not reall
18:21 cait y
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18:31 jcamins Wow. Our authorities sure are a mess.
18:31 * jcamins sobs quietly to himself.
18:31 * jwagner offers jcamins a blankie
18:31 jcamins Cookie?
18:32 jcamins Oh, blankie.
18:32 jcamins Thanks!
18:32 jwagner cookie and warm milk are the next stage, when sobbing goes from quiet to loud :-)
18:32 jcamins Ah.
18:32 jcamins I think maybe I'll make fudge tonight.
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18:36 jcamins There should be a way to merge authority records in the staff client.
18:37 nengard jcamins - i just wrote that in notes from my training
18:37 reva how do you type in the umlaut. I mean the key map sequence.
18:37 nengard i'm about to put a enhancement request in for that - the merge authorities
18:38 jcamins nengard: it would be really helpful, especially for hosted installations!
18:38 jcamins nengard++ # for posting enhancement requests so I don't have to
18:38 owen Don't forget to sprinkle the bug with pixie dust nengard
18:38 nengard what's the pixie dust for?
18:39 owen Usually it takes some magic to get enhancements done
18:39 nengard hehe - got it
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18:41 reva ok another bug I noticed: in the 007 field builder, say I have picked some choices from the dropdown list (such as optical disc, multicolor, etc.), but I hit ok; and then I want to do some changes and I open the builder again, the choice for Specific Material Designation reverts back to Tape cartridge.
18:42 reva If you do not notice the reversion, you will be saving it as a Tape Cartridge.
18:43 jcamins reva: you got Koha all working already? Wow, that was fast!
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18:44 jcamins reva: which 007 type?
18:45 reva No, no, I am still internalizing the instruction. For example, where it says <password>, do I put in the password of my choice in double-quotes in the script? Taking a big break, that is all:).
18:46 jcamins I see, electronic resources.
18:46 jcamins Yeah, I can confirm that bug.
18:46 jcamins You should report it.
18:47 reva I was doing a bib record for a CD-ROM. So I picked electronic (instead of the default Text) and then it gives me further dropdowns. So I picked Optical media (cannot remember the exact label) and picked 4 and 3/4 as the size.
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18:47 jcamins reva: report a bug at
18:48 reva ok, thanks. I will report it. But the other day, I reported one, I do not see it in the new bug list. So I am not sure I understand the second scree that comes up after I report the bug.
18:49 reva What I will, but shouldn't I see it in the new bugs reported?
18:50 jcamins If you save the bug you should be able to find it again when you search for it.
18:52 reva jcamins: the other bug I reported was the one about no title in the headers (under normal view either in OPAC or in Staff side) when you look at a record.  Maybe it is considered an enhancement?
18:53 jcamins Both should show up.
18:53 jcamins As long as you save the bug, I'm sure it's getting in there.
18:53 jcamins Bugzilla is very straightforward to use.
18:54 reva and the 245c becoming useless because it is not seen except in the ISBD view on either side. Ok, I will try the 007 in the bug report and check to see if I actually "reported" it.
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19:11 chris sekjal: ... book your hotel!
19:11 chris :)
19:11 sekjal thanks, chris
19:13 cait :)
19:13 chris i cant recall who it is, but someone is staying at the trinity hotel, (which is right next to my work)
19:13 chris ahh yes i recall now, its the librarians from Hauraki
19:13 chris they got a good deal, so might be worth checking it out
19:14 reva jcamins: you tested the 007 bug I just talked about in 3.2, correct? This is so I can pick that as the version when I am reporting.
19:15 jcamins Choose 3.4.
19:15 reva ok, I will; thanks.
19:15 jcamins That's the version the change will be going into.
19:16 cait wow
19:16 jcamins Are they kidding me?!?!?!?
19:17 jcamins This record has no information at all.
19:17 jcamins How am I supposed to find this book?
19:18 jcamins[…]blionumber=175690 <-- possibly a new low for our catalog
19:18 jcamins Ooh, but it does have an LCCN.
19:19 cait and an author
19:19 jcamins Yeah, but that author brings up...
19:19 jwagner What more do you want?
19:19 jcamins 217 results.
19:20 jcamins reva: your bug report went through properly. :)
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19:22 reva Thanks, jcamins. But I still do not see my first one I did a few days ago. I did a search using terms I had used  in the report. Woud it be ok to file that again?
19:22 jcamins Bug 5259
19:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5259 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 245 $c not displaying except in Card?ISBD View (OPAC) and ISBD View (Stafff side)
19:22 jcamins That one?
19:24 reva yeah:) jcamins, you are brilliant. I the author could not find it:(
19:24 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
19:30 reva Bye jcamins for the weekend. I will get back to installation on Monday and report on how it is going and ask questions.:)
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19:30 briceSanc hello
19:32 jcamins Is there some way to delete all unused authorities?
19:33 briceSanc do you have the same problem in "Home � Circulation � Checkouts � briceSanc" . I'm unable to check "Renew" then "Check in" in the same time (i think its normal) but i'm able to check "Check in" then "Renew"
19:36 briceSanc i'm speaking about the checkboxs in the 'Checkout(s)' html table
19:38 sekjal hotel (rather, hostel) booked
19:41 owen briceSanc: I confirm you observation
19:41 owen briceSanc: Can you please file a bug report for it?
19:43 briceSanc ok
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19:43 chris sekjal: nomad? or base?
19:44 sekjal chris: nomad
19:44 chris sweet
19:44 briceSanc owen, Is it normal to have difficulties to reveal the renewal form inside the Renew checkbox ?
19:44 chris you can wake up at 7.59am and be at the conf by 8am :)
19:44 chris its pretty much as close as you can get
19:45 chris and the cafe on the corner does good coffee
19:45 owen briceSanc: Bug 5051 perhaps?
19:45 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
19:45 sekjal I'm wondering how the whole waking/sleeping thing is going to work... I'll try to sync up on the plane, but this is the furthest I've flown
19:45 jcamins Does unlink authorities that it thinks do not match?
19:46 chris sekjal: yeah it does mess with you a bit
19:47 jcamins Okay, this is weird.
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19:47 jcamins And you know what?
19:47 jcamins I'm going to pretend I didn't notice.
19:47 chris but the trick i find is not to give in to the desire for an earlynight, or a nap, even if you body is trying to make you, cos then you wake up at 3am :)
19:48 chris ok who the hell weedeats at 8.55am on a saturday morning
19:48 chris jeeze
19:58 * chris yells out the window "you kids get off my lawn"
20:01 briceSanc owen, Ok, I think the "Renewal due date" should appear when we click on "renew" !?
20:02 owen briceSanc: I guess I don't understand your question
20:06 briceSanc I rephrase : i think, in normal time, the renewal form appear when we check the renew checkout ?
20:07 briceSanc not checkout = checkbox
20:07 owen What renew checkbox? On the circulation page?
20:07 briceSanc yes
20:07 owen No, no renewal form appears
20:08 owen Under normal conditions there are 1) the renwal checkboxes, and 2) the renewal due date form field
20:08 owen Bug Bug 5051 prevents the renewal due date field from appearing unless there are checkouts from today.
20:08 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
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20:09 briceSanc ok
20:09 briceSanc i will work on those bugs
20:09 briceSanc have a good weekend
20:09 owen briceSanc: Bug 5051 has a pending patch for it already
20:09 briceSanc oh ok
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20:24 reva jcamins, you can delete unused authorities by going into authorities module. The ones with 0 (zero) biblios have a delete option on the last column. (search with a blank string to bring up all the authorities so you can clean up). I am stillherre.
20:25 wizzyrea so am I to understand that in 3.2 batch mod, to clear a user enterable field you need to insert a space in it? Is that right?
20:25 jcamins reva: yes, but that's one at a time.
20:26 jcamins I need to delete thousands.
20:26 jcamins There's a script for deleting unused authorities.
20:27 wizzyrea ok, I'm going to take that as truth, because that's what I have experienced. It's not terribly intuitive though.
20:27 jcamins wizzyrea: no, not intuitive at all.
20:28 wizzyrea I think my next project will be to add a checkbox for "clear" to those.
20:28 wizzyrea better ideas?
20:29 wizzyrea oh right the east coast is dropping off
20:29 wizzyrea :)
20:29 wizzyrea it's the weekend!
20:30 jcamins Yes it is.
20:30 jcamins In five minutes!
20:30 jcamins And boy oh boy do I want those five minutes to pass.
20:30 wizzyrea the youtube vortex: look up hot air balloons
20:30 wizzyrea click any one
20:31 wizzyrea turn on groove salad on itunes radio
20:31 wizzyrea space.
20:31 jcamins Heh.
20:31 wizzyrea (oh,mute the video)
20:33 SJeffery wizzy, at least the east coast isn't like those aussies and kiwis who think it is Saturday already
20:35 jcamins Ah, what a glorious sound.
20:35 jcamins Have a good weekend, #koha
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20:36 wizzyrea true
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21:31 wizzyrea sekjal's quits always make me giggle.
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21:54 wizzy_fre later peps
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