Time  Nick        Message
00:52 brendan     @wunder 93117
00:52 munin       brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.6�C (5:55 PM PDT on September 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady).
00:52 chris       @wunder wellington, nz
00:52 munin       chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
00:53 chris       its pretty much always wrong
00:53 chris       :)
00:53 chris       i guess cos its out at the airport
00:53 robin       chris: although, that's about right
00:53 brendan     heh
00:54 brendan     16 would be unseasonable warm eh?
00:54 chris       cept for the clouds bit
00:54 chris       nope its at least 16 out
00:54 brendan     ah
00:54 chris       which is about right for october
00:54 chris       its hard to know in town tho, cos all the glass and concrete reflect the heat around
00:56 chris       if its weather like this for the conference ill be happy
00:59 * chris     just realised this is his 12th day in a row working, cos i did the go live last weekend, no wonder im having trouble concentrating
01:11 robin       chris: you should take tomorrow off
01:12 chris       heh
01:12 chris       i think ill finish at 4pm today
01:13 brendan     yeah take tomorrow off dude
01:26 * chris_n1  finds a blundering error in the labels code :-P
01:27 chris_n1    0.01 is *not* 10%
01:35 chris       :)
03:14 Amit        hi chris
03:47 brendan     heya Amit
03:48 Amit        heya brendan
05:25 REFORMER    debian did not recognized my pc's ethernet card and wifi, now I want to move ubuntu
05:26 REFORMER    is Installation " KOHA-ILS " on Ubuntu is same as on debian-lenny,  I want to install ubuntu via window installer
07:07 kf          good morning #koha
07:09 kf          good morning hdl
07:13 kmkale      hi kf, hdl
07:13 kf          hi kmkale
07:13 kmkale      hi Amit, chris
07:13 Amit        hi kmkale
07:14 Amit        heya kf
07:15 kf          hi Amit
07:18 ivanc       good morning #koha
07:28 kf          hi ivanc
07:28 ivanc       hi kf
07:42 hdl         hi all
07:42 kf          hi chris_n1
07:42 kf          isn't it too early for you?
07:52 magnus      g'day #koha
07:57 kf          hi magnus :)
07:57 kf          18 days!!
07:58 magnus      hi kf - that's like almost nothing! ;-)
07:58 kf          still have to buy a lot of things... uh
07:58 kf          it's really like nothing
11:24 druthb      mornin'.
11:29 kf          good morning druthb :)
11:30 druthb      hiya, kf. :)
11:38 kmkale      hi druthb
11:39 druthb      hi, kmkale! :)
11:39 magnus      hiya druthb, paul_p, chris_n, kmkale et al
11:40 paul_p      hi magnus
11:40 kmkale      hi magnus
11:42 magnus      hi jwagner
11:43 jwagner     Hi magnus
11:44 kmkale      hi jwagner
11:45 jwagner     hi kmkale
11:48 kf          hi jwagner :)
11:49 jwagner     Hi kf
12:27 owen        jwagner and druthb you really start early!
12:27 kf          hi owen
12:28 druthb      owen:  yep; usually around 07:30, local time.  I catch a 6:30 bus to get here.
12:28 owen        I hope that means you're not working til 5PM
12:29 druthb      no, I usually leave here on a 15:30 bus, and do some evening work occasionally.
12:32 jwagner     The traffic isn't as bad that early -- I'd rather get to work at 7:30 half-awake than deal with the traffic that would be in place if I tried coming in at 8:30.
12:33 * owen      likes coming to work early when it's quiet
12:36 druthb      it's *never* terribly quiet here, unfortunately.  my office is directly across from the breakroom, and jwagner's is very close to the copier/printer/scanner for this end of the building.
12:37 jwagner     And in both places, people tend to converse at the tops of their little lungs :-(
12:37 druthb      Yes.  The notion of "inside voices" never seemed to catch on among certain people here.
12:38 jwagner     Fortunately, our boss is quite open to the concept of working from home :-)
12:38 larsw       what you need is noise-activated sprinklers
12:38 owen        druthb: Tell it to my kids!
12:39 owen        Man if I had a nickel for every time I opened up opac-shelves.pl expecting to find something useful...
12:40 druthb      larsw:  I have discovered that a moderately-well-powered slam of my door disrupts them for a little bit.
12:50 hdl         hi all.
12:50 hdl         I am having quite surprising answers using scan indexes. Anyone who played with that ?
12:52 hdl         a) it is not taking into account any truncation attribute... That is you cannot scan for something which is NOT the beginning of the subfield
12:52 hdl         b) when you search for "Dun" you can get things like "duo"....
12:54 kf          hdl: I have played with it, the display is broken for some characters, like ß and umlauts
12:56 kf          hdl: your description sounds ok to me - because that's what I expect from an index search
12:56 kf          starting at the beginning
12:56 kf          do you have dun in your database?
12:56 hdl         Yes.
12:56 hdl         I get some.
12:56 kf          ah ok
12:57 hdl         But also other things.
12:57 kf          yeah, taht seems normal to me
12:57 kf          it's like a book of workds
12:57 kf          words
12:57 hdl         first point is not normal to me.
12:57 kf          so you see what is before and after your search too
12:58 kf          I am not sure I can explain right what I meant :(
12:58 hdl         I expected to be able to input any part of a subfield... And it would search that.
12:58 kf          I think we have different expectations
12:59 kf          what I know from horizon about alphabetic indexes is very similar to the koha thing, what I miss is a pagination
12:59 kf          to go back and forth
12:59 kf          see what is around my search term in the alphabetic index
12:59 hdl         For instance if I type diable with a scan @attr 1=7 @attr 5=3 @attr 6=3 Diable
12:59 hdl         I would like to get "Au Diable vauvert"
13:00 kf          hm
13:00 kf          I think the thing is is that I have an alphabetic index in mind and you a keyword index
13:00 kf          not sure what koha's index search is supposed to be :)
13:01 hdl         well, atm maybe you are right.
13:01 hdl         information about scan and yaz are very scarce.
13:03 kf          I see 3 bugs in bugzilla for scan index
13:03 kf          bug 3630
13:03 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3630 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, probleme with scan indexes
13:03 kf          bug 4393
13:03 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4393 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Searching with scan indexes and sort by title fails
13:03 kf          bug 4397
13:03 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4397 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, display problems (umlauts, ß) with scan index in advanced search
13:04 kf          hm fredericd send a patch adding pagination - but seems not to be pushed
13:15 jcamins     Good morning, #koha
13:16 jcamins     hdl: I'm pretty sure the Zebra scan index is left-anchored, but I think there's some way to make it do a keyword index. I'll see if I can locate that.
13:18 Braedon     good morn jcamins
13:26 reva        Good morning all, what happens when I set a OpacBaseUrl? (We are just on a peer network (no provider for a host or anything)). And what happens with StaffBaseUrl? Basically under what kind of networking situations would I set these options? Thanks.
13:27 jcamins     hdl: I cannot find the reference to non-left-anchored scans.
13:28 reva        So, basically right now whenever I use my staff client, I type http://localhost:8080; and for the OPAC, I type is http://localhost.
13:30 owen        reva: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/index.php?ch=c19#AEN1771
13:36 reva        so I can set my OPACBaseURL to http://localhost and it will display a link to the OPAC version of a record I am in (or working on) in the staff side, correct? But I do not understand the function of StaffclientBaseURL. First where would that link show?
13:37 reva        Thanks owen: Because I was reading the Wayne state manual (for the 3.0) and it was too cryptic.:)
13:37 owen        reva: Where did you find the link to the Wayne state manual?
13:38 reva        It was in the community site. I have downloaded the pdf from the link there.
13:38 owen        I see
13:39 owen        Yeah, I would say the Wayne State manual is inaccurate on this particular point
13:40 owen        It makes it sound like you can set OPACBaseURL to what you *want* your opac's url to be
13:40 owen        That's not true
13:43 reva        owen, I could not say if it was accurate or not as I found it was not explaining much on this point.  Moving to setting the StaffClientBaseURL: let us say in our case I set my StaafclientBaseURL to http://localhost:8080  (which is our staff url), where would the link be displayed?
13:44 owen        Koha would use that setting whenever it needed to form an absolute URL to the staff client. This would only happen during operation of the staff client itself, not the OPAC
13:45 reva        ok, this is a regression routine:) I am not sure I understand absolute URL (though I have heard the term used before.)
13:46 owen        An absolute URL is a full URL. A relative URL is one which only works in reference to the current page.
13:46 owen        ../catalogue/detail.pl is a relative URL.
13:46 owen        http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl is a full or absolute URL
13:48 reva        owen, got it: so you are giving the full path from the root when you use the absolute URL. But what is the StaffClientBaseURL function? I mean what are the situations I would set this?
13:49 owen        I don't know offhand, but as far as I know it is recommended that you do.
13:53 jcamins     Load testing only, it looks like.
13:53 jcamins     reva: I'd set it anyway. There's no disadvantage.
13:55 reva        owen, so in my case I would append the rest of the path to http://localhost:8080 (where ever my detail.pl is for the catalog module), correct? So the question now is should it be set to the catalog/details.pl? Hi jcamins.
13:55 owen        reva that was just an example
13:56 jcamins     reva: set it to 'localhost:8080'
13:56 jcamins     Wait, 'localhost:8080/'
13:56 reva        owen thanks. because sometimes I am too literal:). jcamins, what is load testing?
13:56 jcamins     I have no idea, but that's what it's used for. I guess maybe checking lots of books out simultaneously, and seeing if anything breaks?
13:57 kf          performance tests
13:57 owen        ...or seeing if your server bursts into flames
14:00 reva        ok, I will set it it to http://localhost:8080 and my OPAC to http://localhost. Owen, I hope we won't break Koha that way. But the test records (done by the trainees of course) are all wrong, so they may break it and the server.
14:01 reva        Thanks jcamins, owen, and kf.
14:04 kf          the opacbaseurl is used for links in sent carts and "show in opac"links in staff
14:04 kf          afaik
14:04 kf          perhaps the staffurl is also used for sending carts from staff
14:04 mib_syff8   I'm having some search problems. I have rebuild my index and if I run zebrasrv in console mode I can see the search query but getting no hits, 1000's of bib there....anyone?
14:04 kf          links to the records in the mail
14:06 jcamins     mib_syff8: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
14:06 jcamins     Try the third question.
14:06 mib_syff8   can't search staff either though....
14:06 jcamins     mib_syff8: wait, I think I misunderstood your question.
14:07 jcamins     When you say "console mode," do you mean you're able to do the search from the console?
14:07 jcamins     That's what I thought you said.
14:07 jcamins     My new guess is that when you rebuilt the index you didn't do it as the koha user.
14:08 mib_syff8   sorry no, I was thinkg of try YAZ client next.....I mean just running "zerbrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" and seeing the output
14:08 jcamins     I'd try the YAZ client.
14:09 mib_syff8   I was koha user alright, that user is the only one I have setup with the correct env to run the rebuild script.......I'll try YAZ !!
14:23 mib_syff8   YAZ giving me this--->     [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default'
14:23 schuster    no wizzyrea...
14:23 schuster    :(
14:24 schuster    I was going to ask her about the widget she has on the koha-community with the email feed...  Anyone know anything about that?
14:29 owen        schuster: You have to chant her name three times for her to appear
14:29 * owen      wonders, "Or is it thirteen?"
14:31 kf          wizzyrea
14:32 kf          wizzyrea
14:32 kf          wizzyra
14:32 kf          wizzyrea
14:32 kf          hm. or was it beetlejuice?
14:33 * sekjal    turns towards the nearest mirror and chants "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees", "Guy made of bees"
14:49 reva        Thanks kf; for the extra info on the Base URLS.
14:50 LibraryGu   Hello
14:50 Braedon     Hello
14:53 wizzyrea    I'm here!
14:53 wizzyrea    yikes
14:53 jcamins     Ha!
14:53 jcamins     owen was right
14:53 wizzyrea    sorry I was absorbed in a discussion of social engineering
14:54 wizzyrea    >.>
14:54 jcamins     I just typed your name ten times and was about to hit enter when you appeared.
14:54 jcamins     Just 'cause I was curious whether it was true.
14:54 wizzyrea    lol
14:54 wizzyrea    schuster: which email feed?
14:55 wizzyrea    < has a strange and wonderful job sometimes
14:55 Dulm        Hello all
14:56 wizzyrea    hey dulm
14:56 jcamins     owen++ # wow! I can't wait to try that patch
14:56 wizzyrea    it was actually you thinking of me that made me appear, jcamins
14:57 jcamins     Oh, not writing your name 10 times?
14:57 Dulm        Patch? A nice patch?
14:57 jcamins     Dulm: yeah, owen's patch reformatting lists.
14:58 * Braedon   saying hello made LibraryGu disappear - that's close right?
14:59 * jcamins   wonders if the person he's thinking about now will sense his thoughts and make an appearance in #koha
15:00 billymays   HELLO BILLY MAYS HERE LOOKING FOR JCAMINS!
15:00 billymays   DID YOU SUMMON ME?
15:01 Dulm        Sounds cool. How does it reformat? :)
15:01 Braedon     nooo, send him back jcamins!
15:01 * billymays disappears in a puff of smoke
15:01 Braedon     that was close
15:01 jcamins     I guess I need to work on my summoning powers a bit more. ;)
15:02 Braedon     please do. you gave me quite a scare. things could have gotten messy
15:05 Dulm        I am still working on a collection call mapping add-on like that NEU library in Turkey - using Javascript graphics tools so only one or a few maps need used per building and the javascript graphics draw the rest - NEU created countless animated GIFs for each location
15:05 * jwagner   is impressed that jcamins can summon the dead....
15:05 Dulm        Fun if I can get the time to finish it. :)
15:09 wizzyrea    very fun dulm
15:09 wizzyrea    so schuster left?
15:11 reva        hi again, we will be installing Koha 3.2 on our hard drive today. I have downloaded Debian as instructed. (And of ourse the Koha 3.2 tar.gz). But do I download the MySQL, Perl, and Apache from inside debian after stating Koha install? I am trying to follow instructions on this page: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=24
15:11 schuster    Sorry on other websites...
15:11 Dulm        It is, anybody try to map their library with Google Sketch-Up? I'm finding by overlaying onto a blue-print image it is really pretty easy, looks nice too - then for creating maps at different angles one just needs to change the camera. There are just too many good tools these days!
15:12 reva        I am not sure though it is Debian Etch that I downloaded. It is the latest stabl Debian though that I have downloaded.
15:12 jcamins     Weird. Apparently signing on with mibbit inspired my internet connection to start working again.
15:12 wizzyrea    That was me, I was thinking about your internet connection.
15:12 jcamins     reva: the correct version of Debian is Lenny.
15:13 schuster    wizzyrea - the latest posts from the email listserv on the support page.
15:13 jcamins     wizzyrea: oh, thanks!
15:13 reva        Yes, Lenny is what I downloaded jcamins.
15:13 wizzyrea    oh, right, what did you need to know?
15:13 Braedon     jcamins: perhaps billy mays was trying to get through again?
15:14 wizzyrea    you mean here: http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
15:14 jcamins     Braedon: I suppose it's possible. Ah-ha! I'll just go out and buy some Zombie-B-Gone, As Seen On TV!
15:14 schuster    wizzyrea yes.
15:14 schuster    Is that a wordpress plugin or???
15:14 wizzyrea    yep, it's a plugin. Sec and I'll find the one I"m using.
15:14 jcamins     reva: if you follow the instructions in that document, I'm pretty sure it installs Apache and MySQL.
15:16 wizzyrea    http://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/rss-import.zip is the one I"m using.
15:16 wizzyrea    apparently when I was working on the site, I knew german? or knew a google that did, anyway
15:16 jcamins     reva: and by "pretty sure" I mean "it does."
15:18 jcamins     wizzyrea: perhaps kf was thinking German-comprehension thoughts at you. :)
15:18 wizzyrea    ooh, good point
15:18 reva        ok, jcamins. It is just that I do not see a command in the instruction where it goes to fetch Apache or MySQL from outside sites? Or does Debian come with all these pre-installed?
15:19 jcamins     reva: the instructions tell you to install all the packages that Koha requires. Koha requires Apache and MySQL. ;)
15:19 kf          hm?
15:20 jcamins     The script is something like apt_get_install_packages_on_lenny. But just run whichever script the documentation tells you to.
15:20 wizzyrea    reva: sudo apt-get install apache2
15:21 wizzyrea    sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-clien
15:21 jcamins     To clarify, the script installs *everything* Koha requires, which includes Apache and MySQL.
15:21 wizzyrea    sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
15:21 wizzyrea    oo, I didn't know it did that now >.>
15:21 wizzyrea    neat!
15:21 jcamins     At least, that was my experience when we installed from scratch on Debian.
15:21 * wizzyrea  doesn't know lots of stuff.
15:22 reva        so ok, what is the sites-available in this command substituted with? sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha Ok, wizzyrea. In which case which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL should I have downloaded
15:22 wizzyrea    BUT if you were to need to install apache and/or mysql
15:22 wizzyrea    ...the apt packages are the most up to date. Just use apt
15:22 jcamins     wizzyrea: the script uses apt.
15:23 wizzyrea    ^^ or do what he said, and use the script
15:24 jcamins_m   reva: that's step 4. First you need to do steps 1-3.
15:24 jcamins_m   well, 1.5-3, actually.
15:25 jcamins     Please ignore the fact that I'm using two different nicks. My internet connection is being troublesome.
15:25 * wizzyrea  thinks harder about jcamins' internet
15:26 * druthb    wonders if the cloning machine would work on wizzyrea, nengard, and gmcharlt.  More of those folks around would be nice.
15:26 * wizzyrea  shudders at the thought of more than one wizzyrea. The world is scary enough.
15:27 * jcamins   agrees with druthb, and thinks it would be a great idea
15:29 reva        ok jcamins. Got that about following 1.5 - 3. But I guess I am asking now do I download and Apache, Perl, and MySQL and save them, so that I can instruct Debian to install them? If yes to this last question, which version of Apache, Perl and MySQL? Do I take the latest versions from the respective sites?
15:29 kf          @later tell ivanc mail sent
15:29 munin       kf: The operation succeeded.
15:29 nengard     awww shucks thanks druthb
15:29 jcamins     reva: no, just follow the instructions, and run the script in step 1.5
15:29 jcamins     The only thing you should download manually is Koha.
15:29 jcamins     Then you will run the script in 1.5.
15:30 jcamins     Then you run the command in 1.6.
15:31 jcamins     And then you should have everything installed.
15:33 * druthb    cobbles a cloning device up, but needs software for it.
15:35 rhcl        print me off a few tech assistants please...
15:35 reva        ok, jcamins. Thanks.So when I come here :  $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages, it will give me choices for installing or not installing several dependencies. (i.e. Apache, Perl, MySQL all come built in).
15:35 reva        Ok, relief and sigh:) Thanks
15:37 * druthb    wants to see if rhcl will be the crash-test dummy for this new gadget.  An extra one or two of him wouldn't be bad, either.
15:40 jcamins     reva: what documentation are you looking at?
15:41 jcamins     The document you linked to earlier doesn't use dpkg.
15:47 reva        jcamins: i have the link only for that one (I am talking about the git.koh-community one). Would you give me the link for the correct documentation?
15:48 jcamins     The link you gave is correct.
15:48 jcamins     However, the step you mentioned doesn't seem to be in that document.
15:48 jcamins     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian
15:49 jcamins     Which is very confusing.
15:49 jcamins     Step 1.5 is: sudo install_misc/apt-get-debian-lenny.sh
15:50 jcamins     reva: take me through the steps you went through to download Koha 3.2.
15:51 jcamins     In your own words.
15:51 wizzyrea    please.
15:51 jcamins     Sorry, I thought "please" would be implied. Please.
15:52 wizzyrea    I'm helping!
15:52 wizzyrea    ^.^
15:52 jcamins     :)
15:52 wizzyrea    (that's what my 2 yr old says when he's helping... but not really helping)
15:53 reva        ok, jacamins: No, I downloaded the koha-3.02.00-beta.tar.gz separately by going to koha-community download page and saved it.
15:53 jcamins     Hm.
15:54 Dulm        You'll get it
15:54 jcamins     That seems right. I wonder why the document you're looking at is different.
15:55 reva        and I have burned ther Debian Lenny as an ISO CD. so I am carrying my Koha download on a flash (as it is only 39 mega).
15:57 jcamins     Ah-ha!
15:57 jcamins     Mystery solved.
15:57 Dulm        See!
15:57 jcamins     The documentation you need on the Koha beta is called INSTALL.debian-lenny :)
15:58 jcamins     wizzyrea++ # for pointing out what was going on
15:59 reva        Now I am looking at the page you just gave me (http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=INSTALL.debian). I can extract the tar.gz file using WinRar in my XP and take the folder full of Koha stuff with me and just copy it to a folder inside the partition for debian.
16:00 jcamins     Right, so you can follow the online version and it'll work properly.
16:00 reva        jcamins: where do I find the Install Debian-Lenny page?
16:00 jcamins     Better to just use the one I linked to.
16:01 jcamins     The two documents are the same, except the one I linked to is newer and has some slightly clearer instructions.
16:01 reva        Ok, that is good. I see it was updated 2010 by chris.
16:02 jcamins     Yup.
16:05 * druthb    waves to brendan_l
16:05 reva        Thanks jcamins: will get back later. Is ther a way to transfer my this chat session to another machine in the mibbit?
16:06 kf          ok, time to leave - have a nice weekend all!
16:06 jcamins     No, but you can just log in from another computer.
16:06 jcamins     The log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-10-01
16:06 wizzyrea    bye kf... bother.
16:07 reva        Ok, got it. Thanks again.
16:49 brendan_l   heya druthb :)
16:49 cait        hi again #koha
16:49 brendan_l   hey cait
16:55 druthb      welcome back, cait. :)
17:00 ivanc       hi cait
17:00 cait        hi ivanc
17:15 ivanc       \server
17:16 druthb      @roulette
17:16 * munin     reloads and spins the chambers.
17:17 * druthb    does a happy dance
17:17 jcamins     Heh.
17:17 cait        @roulette
17:17 munin       cait: *click*
17:17 jcamins     @roulette
17:17 cait        puh
17:17 munin       jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins     @roulette
17:17 munin       jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins     @roulette
17:17 munin       jcamins: *click*
17:17 jcamins     @roulette
17:17 munin       jcamins: *click*
17:17 cait        hm jcamins?
17:17 * cait      takes the gun from jcamins
17:18 jcamins     Aww.
17:19 jcamins     munin: I'm not giving you a cookie.
17:19 munin       jcamins: Error: "I'm" is not a valid command.
17:19 rhcl        cait, are you going to the opensuse conference in Nürnberg?
17:19 cait        rhcl: ah no
17:19 cait        I am not really a linux user (yet)
17:20 * jcamins   stares in shock - the umlaut showed up under Windows!
17:20 Dulm        "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."
17:20 cait        jcamins: I am using umlauts in Windows all teh time - they are not that bad
17:20 rhcl        windows?
17:20 rhcl        Microsoft Windows?
17:20 cait        yes
17:20 rhcl        I need a drink. brb
17:20 jcamins     cait: generally umlauts are fine. However, I'm running irssi on a Debian server and SSHed in using Cygwin.
17:20 cait        *sighs*
17:21 * cait      outs herself as a windows user
17:21 Dulm        West of House: You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
17:21 jcamins     rhcl: don't do it! You're going to turn into my predecessors!
17:22 rhcl        it's only gonna be wine, a tall glass perhaps, but just wine
17:22 Dulm        "open mailbox"
17:22 rhcl        as long as it's not Tennessee distilled corn we're ok
17:22 jcamins     rhcl: okay, that's not nearly strong enough to turn you into one of my predecessors.
17:24 Dulm        << From Zork I Anyone? :) >>
17:27 cait        rhcl: are you going to nürnberg?
17:27 owen        Here you go Dulm: http://zorkonline.net/zengine-0.4.3/
17:31 cait        zork?
17:32 jcamins     cait: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/Articles/NZT/zorkhist.html
17:32 Dulm        Yes!
17:33 Dulm        Perhaps we can build Zork I into Koha - To get any work done people must solve text based adventure puzzles  ;)
17:35 owen        It would be a great Easter egg
17:35 Dulm        Yeaaaah...
17:36 jcamins     Try to check out a certain number of non-circulating books, return a certain number of circulating books, create and delete a new item record, and you're in the midst of Zork?
17:41 rhcl        cait: no, but if I lived in Germany I would
17:41 wizzyrea    can someone tell me if indexing has anything to do with the holds queue report?
17:41 wizzyrea    and if it does, what exactly?
17:43 wizzyrea    owen++ : for proposing recent comments
17:45 cait        rhcl: is being at kohaconf a good excuse? :)
17:45 Dulm        In could be done
17:45 Dulm        Or Koha-Vaders
17:46 Dulm        A Koha logo could be the ship, and the invaders would be....hmmmm...what would a Koha fire at?
17:46 wizzyrea    it wouldn't
17:49 owen        wizzyrea: Why the question about indexing and the holds queue?
17:49 rhcl        cait: hummm, I guess that might have priority
17:49 owen        the only connection I see is that the holds queue is a process that runs on a schedule just like indexing does
17:49 rhcl        kohacon I mean
17:49 owen        But they're not connected
17:49 cait        :)
17:50 jcamins     Dulm: the Koha logo could fire enlightement at previously unenlightened library systems. :)
17:55 Dulm        Ah the anti-Koha
18:10 chris       morning
18:10 jwagner     chris_n or chris_n1 (whoever you are today), online?
18:11 chris_n     heh... "we're" here... :-)
18:11 Dulm        L8er
18:11 * chris_n   glares at chris_n1
18:11 chris_n     get to work over there
18:11 jwagner     I'm being told about 3rd or 4th hand that entering slashes in the call number will make the spine label printing break at those points.  Is that true for any value of Koha, especially for your label creator?
18:12 chris_n     not that I know of
18:13 chris_n     I did have some code very early on that did that
18:13 jwagner     Didn't think so -- I'd never heard of it, anyway.
18:13 chris_n     but it has since been removed and replaced with splitting regexps
18:14 chris_n     which always need tuning, so feel free to update bug 2500 with any numbers that will not split correctly
18:14 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
18:14 jwagner     OK, I'll whisper that back down the rumor chain.  Thanks.
18:15 jwagner     Unrelated (mostly) question -- I got asked today how Koha would handle NLM or SUDOC call number sorts.  Anyone have any idea?
18:15 nengard     NLM is very close to LOC so I have set it up and haven't had any complaints from those using it
18:15 cait        morning chris
18:19 chris       heya cait, hows the packing? :)
18:19 cait        don't ask
18:19 cait        but I realized today, that I have only 3 work days left
18:19 cait        before nz, and only four before my next presentation
18:21 chris       wow, not long
18:21 cait        no. not reall
18:21 cait        y
18:31 jcamins     Wow. Our authorities sure are a mess.
18:31 * jcamins   sobs quietly to himself.
18:31 * jwagner   offers jcamins a blankie
18:31 jcamins     Cookie?
18:32 jcamins     Oh, blankie.
18:32 jcamins     Thanks!
18:32 jwagner     cookie and warm milk are the next stage, when sobbing goes from quiet to loud :-)
18:32 jcamins     Ah.
18:32 jcamins     I think maybe I'll make fudge tonight.
18:36 jcamins     There should be a way to merge authority records in the staff client.
18:37 nengard     jcamins - i just wrote that in notes from my training
18:37 reva        how do you type in the umlaut. I mean the key map sequence.
18:37 nengard     i'm about to put a enhancement request in for that - the merge authorities
18:38 jcamins     nengard: it would be really helpful, especially for hosted installations!
18:38 jcamins     nengard++ # for posting enhancement requests so I don't have to
18:38 owen        Don't forget to sprinkle the bug with pixie dust nengard
18:38 nengard     what's the pixie dust for?
18:39 owen        Usually it takes some magic to get enhancements done
18:39 nengard     hehe - got it
18:41 reva        ok another bug I noticed: in the 007 field builder, say I have picked some choices from the dropdown list (such as optical disc, multicolor, etc.), but I hit ok; and then I want to do some changes and I open the builder again, the choice for Specific Material Designation reverts back to Tape cartridge.
18:42 reva        If you do not notice the reversion, you will be saving it as a Tape Cartridge.
18:43 jcamins     reva: you got Koha all working already? Wow, that was fast!
18:44 jcamins     reva: which 007 type?
18:45 reva        No, no, I am still internalizing the instruction. For example, where it says <password>, do I put in the password of my choice in double-quotes in the script? Taking a big break, that is all:).
18:46 jcamins     I see, electronic resources.
18:46 jcamins     Yeah, I can confirm that bug.
18:46 jcamins     You should report it.
18:47 reva        I was doing a bib record for a CD-ROM. So I picked electronic (instead of the default Text) and then it gives me further dropdowns. So I picked Optical media (cannot remember the exact label) and picked 4 and 3/4 as the size.
18:47 jcamins     reva: report a bug at http://bugs.koha-community.org/
18:48 reva        ok, thanks. I will report it. But the other day, I reported one, I do not see it in the new bug list. So I am not sure I understand the second scree that comes up after I report the bug.
18:49 reva        What I will, but shouldn't I see it in the new bugs reported?
18:50 jcamins     If you save the bug you should be able to find it again when you search for it.
18:52 reva        jcamins: the other bug I reported was the one about no title in the headers (under normal view either in OPAC or in Staff side) when you look at a record.  Maybe it is considered an enhancement?
18:53 jcamins     Both should show up.
18:53 jcamins     As long as you save the bug, I'm sure it's getting in there.
18:53 jcamins     Bugzilla is very straightforward to use.
18:54 reva        and the 245c becoming useless because it is not seen except in the ISBD view on either side. Ok, I will try the 007 in the bug report and check to see if I actually "reported" it.
19:11 chris       sekjal: ... book your hotel!
19:11 chris       :)
19:11 sekjal      thanks, chris
19:13 cait        :)
19:13 chris       i cant recall who it is, but someone is staying at the trinity hotel, (which is right next to my work)
19:13 chris       ahh yes i recall now, its the librarians from Hauraki
19:13 chris       they got a good deal, so might be worth checking it out
19:14 reva        jcamins: you tested the 007 bug I just talked about in 3.2, correct? This is so I can pick that as the version when I am reporting.
19:15 jcamins     Choose 3.4.
19:15 reva        ok, I will; thanks.
19:15 jcamins     That's the version the change will be going into.
19:16 jcamins     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:16 cait        wow
19:16 jcamins     Are they kidding me?!?!?!?
19:17 jcamins     This record has no information at all.
19:17 jcamins     How am I supposed to find this book?
19:18 jcamins     http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=175690 <-- possibly a new low for our catalog
19:18 jcamins     Ooh, but it does have an LCCN.
19:19 cait        and an author
19:19 jcamins     Yeah, but that author brings up...
19:19 jwagner     What more do you want?
19:19 jcamins     217 results.
19:20 jcamins     reva: your bug report went through properly. :)
19:22 reva        Thanks, jcamins. But I still do not see my first one I did a few days ago. I did a search using terms I had used  in the report. Woud it be ok to file that again?
19:22 jcamins     Bug 5259
19:22 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5259 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, 245 $c not displaying except in Card?ISBD View (OPAC) and ISBD View (Stafff side)
19:22 jcamins     That one?
19:24 reva        yeah:) jcamins, you are brilliant. I the author could not find it:(
19:30 reva        Bye jcamins for the weekend. I will get back to installation on Monday and report on how it is going and ask questions.:)
19:30 briceSanc   hello
19:32 jcamins     Is there some way to delete all unused authorities?
19:33 briceSanc   do you have the same problem in "Home � Circulation � Checkouts � briceSanc" . I'm unable to check "Renew" then "Check in" in the same time (i think its normal) but i'm able to check "Check in" then "Renew"
19:36 briceSanc   i'm speaking about the checkboxs in the 'Checkout(s)' html table
19:38 sekjal      hotel (rather, hostel) booked
19:41 owen        briceSanc: I confirm you observation
19:41 owen        briceSanc: Can you please file a bug report for it?
19:43 briceSanc   ok
19:43 chris       sekjal: nomad? or base?
19:44 sekjal      chris: nomad
19:44 chris       sweet
19:44 briceSanc   owen, Is it normal to have difficulties to reveal the renewal form inside the Renew checkbox ?
19:44 chris       you can wake up at 7.59am and be at the conf by 8am :)
19:44 chris       its pretty much as close as you can get
19:45 chris       and the cafe on the corner does good coffee
19:45 owen        briceSanc: Bug 5051 perhaps?
19:45 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
19:45 sekjal      I'm wondering how the whole waking/sleeping thing is going to work... I'll try to sync up on the plane, but this is the furthest I've flown
19:45 jcamins     Does link_bibs_to_authorities.pl unlink authorities that it thinks do not match?
19:46 chris       sekjal: yeah it does mess with you a bit
19:47 jcamins     Okay, this is weird.
19:47 jcamins     And you know what?
19:47 jcamins     I'm going to pretend I didn't notice.
19:47 chris       but the trick i find is not to give in to the desire for an earlynight, or a nap, even if you body is trying to make you, cos then you wake up at 3am :)
19:48 chris       ok who the hell weedeats at 8.55am on a saturday morning
19:48 chris       jeeze
19:58 * chris     yells out the window "you kids get off my lawn"
20:01 briceSanc   owen, Ok, I think the "Renewal due date" should appear when we click on "renew" !?
20:02 owen        briceSanc: I guess I don't understand your question
20:06 briceSanc   I rephrase : i think, in normal time, the renewal form appear when we check the renew checkout ?
20:07 briceSanc   not checkout = checkbox
20:07 owen        What renew checkbox? On the circulation page?
20:07 briceSanc   yes
20:07 owen        No, no renewal form appears
20:08 owen        Under normal conditions there are 1) the renwal checkboxes, and 2) the renewal due date form field
20:08 owen        Bug Bug 5051 prevents the renewal due date field from appearing unless there are checkouts from today.
20:08 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
20:09 briceSanc   ok
20:09 briceSanc   i will work on those bugs
20:09 briceSanc   have a good weekend
20:09 owen        briceSanc: Bug 5051 has a pending patch for it already
20:09 briceSanc   oh ok
20:24 reva        jcamins, you can delete unused authorities by going into authorities module. The ones with 0 (zero) biblios have a delete option on the last column. (search with a blank string to bring up all the authorities so you can clean up). I am stillherre.
20:25 wizzyrea    so am I to understand that in 3.2 batch mod, to clear a user enterable field you need to insert a space in it? Is that right?
20:25 jcamins     reva: yes, but that's one at a time.
20:26 jcamins     I need to delete thousands.
20:26 jcamins     There's a script for deleting unused authorities.
20:27 wizzyrea    ok, I'm going to take that as truth, because that's what I have experienced. It's not terribly intuitive though.
20:27 jcamins     wizzyrea: no, not intuitive at all.
20:28 wizzyrea    I think my next project will be to add a checkbox for "clear" to those.
20:28 wizzyrea    better ideas?
20:29 wizzyrea    oh right the east coast is dropping off
20:29 wizzyrea    :)
20:29 wizzyrea    it's the weekend!
20:30 jcamins     Yes it is.
20:30 jcamins     In five minutes!
20:30 jcamins     And boy oh boy do I want those five minutes to pass.
20:30 wizzyrea    the youtube vortex: look up hot air balloons
20:30 wizzyrea    click any one
20:31 wizzyrea    turn on groove salad on itunes radio
20:31 wizzyrea    space.
20:31 jcamins     Heh.
20:31 wizzyrea    (oh,mute the video)
20:33 SJeffery    wizzy, at least the east coast isn't like those aussies and kiwis who think it is Saturday already
20:35 jcamins     Ah, what a glorious sound.
20:35 jcamins     Have a good weekend, #koha
20:36 wizzyrea    true
21:31 wizzyrea    sekjal's quits always make me giggle.
21:54 wizzy_fre   later peps