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heya chris |
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Amit |
heya chris |
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chris |
hiya Amit |
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cait |
morning #koha :) |
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robin |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi robin :) |
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cait |
chris: I have the patch at my computer at work, will resend later - thx! |
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chris |
mein gott |
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chris |
why are you awake? |
| 04:27 |
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cait |
it's not that early |
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richard |
heh |
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cait |
distance study |
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cait |
6:30 |
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chris |
ahh i thought 4.30 |
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cait |
no :) |
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cait |
that would be really early, although I sometimes really get up at 5 |
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chris |
i just wanted to say mein gott really |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
learning German? :) |
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chris |
heh yeah |
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cait |
ah, wondered why you chose those 2 patches |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
the first 2 in my list |
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cait |
time to go to work - bbl :) |
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ivanc |
hi #koha |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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ivanc |
hi kf |
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kf |
guten Morgen ivanc |
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hdl |
hi |
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hdl |
hi chris |
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magnus |
hiya ivanc, kf, hdl et al! |
| 06:48 |
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ivanc |
hi magnus |
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kf |
hi magnus and hdl |
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kf |
chris: still around? |
| 06:51 |
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kf |
@seen chris |
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munin |
kf: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris> heh yeah |
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chris |
kf: you about? |
| 08:21 |
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kf |
here |
| 08:21 |
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chris |
yeah, basically it doesnt need the no strict |
| 08:21 |
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chris |
or the use strict |
| 08:21 |
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chris |
perl -e 'use strict; use Locale::Currency::Format; my $formatted_fine = currency_format("NZD", "10", FMT_SYMBOL); print $formatted_fine; ' |
| 08:22 |
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chris |
$10.00 |
| 08:22 |
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kf |
try EUR :) |
| 08:22 |
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kf |
no, you don't need to |
| 08:22 |
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chris |
€10,00 |
| 08:22 |
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kf |
oh nice :) |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
ok, what do you want me to do? |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
delete those lines? |
| 08:23 |
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chris |
so yeah i think chris_n thought it was a bareword, but FMT_SYMBOL is actually a subroutine |
| 08:23 |
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chris |
in Locale::Currency::Format |
| 08:23 |
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chris |
so either you can, or ill send a follow up patch removing those 2 lines |
| 08:24 |
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chris |
whatever you like |
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kf |
I can do, but perhaps in the afternoon |
| 08:24 |
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kf |
small emergencies everywhere today |
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chris |
ahh |
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chris |
no worries, whenever is fine |
| 08:25 |
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kf |
ok :) |
| 08:25 |
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chris |
ill try to signoff some more tomorrow |
| 08:25 |
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kf |
thx! |
| 08:26 |
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kf |
I think chris_n wanted to take a look at that patch too - forgot to note it in my list |
| 08:26 |
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chris |
cool |
| 08:26 |
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kf |
- but perhaps it's even better now, when we fix one more thing with the patch |
| 08:27 |
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chris |
yup, this isnt a biggy, but it will make the script execute slightly faster |
| 08:27 |
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kf |
cool :) |
| 08:28 |
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kf |
thx for your help and explaining chris |
| 08:28 |
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chris |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/4985102611/ |
| 08:28 |
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chris |
no problem |
| 08:28 |
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chris |
the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe |
| 08:29 |
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magnus |
chris++ |
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kf |
chris++ :) |
| 08:41 |
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magnus |
@quote add <chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe |
| 08:41 |
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munin |
magnus: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 08:42 |
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kf |
@quote add <chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe |
| 08:42 |
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munin |
kf: The operation succeeded. Quote #94 added. |
| 08:44 |
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magnus |
thanks, kf |
| 08:45 |
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magnus |
@quote get 93 |
| 08:45 |
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munin |
magnus: Quote #93: "Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word." (added by wizzyrea at 03:20 PM, September 09, 2010) |
| 08:51 |
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kf |
you think KOHA is bad? I have to fight against KoHa around here |
| 08:53 |
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kf |
hmpf. |
| 08:54 |
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kf |
meeting now, bbl! |
| 09:10 |
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magnus |
it's impressive to see all the activity on the bugs and patches lists these days! |
| 09:12 |
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chris |
yeah things are ticking along |
| 09:13 |
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chris |
good to see the new rfc too |
| 09:13 |
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magnus |
can't wait for 3.2 be done, so we can think about all the goodness that will be in 3.4 ;-) |
| 09:13 |
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magnus |
um, what rfc? |
| 09:16 |
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magnus |
probably this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ISO_CORE_protocol i'm way behind in reading the lists these days - need to spend time on other things than koha... :-( |
| 09:18 |
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Shiny |
what's the [off] mean in your folks' chatting? |
| 09:20 |
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magnus |
Shiny: lines that start with [off] will not show up in the log http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 09:21 |
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Shiny |
thanks magnus |
| 09:22 |
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magnus |
you're welcome! ;-) |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
ahh nope some new ones from osslabs lemme find em |
| 09:27 |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Approvals_Process |
| 09:27 |
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chris |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Payments_Process |
| 09:33 |
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magnus |
yeah, looks good! |
| 09:42 |
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kf |
magnus: I like the activity too :) I think we must look forward and work together |
| 09:43 |
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magnus |
yay! |
| 09:43 |
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chris |
and ignore those who are trying to ruin it |
| 09:43 |
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chris |
we have more people than ever contributing |
| 09:43 |
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kf |
:) |
| 09:44 |
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chris |
theres no need to worry about one hostile company |
| 09:44 |
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magnus |
yeah, the best reaction is to show that the community is stronger and more productive than ever! |
| 09:45 |
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kf |
I like to think we can persuade people to use koha by making it the better product. If we succeed there is no need to worry about one company |
| 09:50 |
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chris |
yep, thats definitely true kf |
| 10:32 |
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wasabi |
um, is this not really curious...? |
| 10:33 |
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wasabi |
http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/ |
| 10:33 |
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chris |
theres crazy people everywhere |
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chris |
hi nengard |
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nengard |
hello |
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Amit |
hi nengard |
| 11:00 |
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nengard |
howdy |
| 11:12 |
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nengard |
question about long overdues |
| 11:12 |
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nengard |
i entered this at the command line: $PERL5LIB/misc/cronjobs/longoverdue.pl --lost 30=2 --charge 1 |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
but it says it's in ### TEST MODE |
| 11:13 |
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nengard |
how do I make it go into 'real' mode? |
| 11:14 |
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chris |
--confirm confirm. without this option, the script will report the number of affected items and return without modifying any records. |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
bingo |
| 11:16 |
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nengard |
missed that line :) |
| 11:17 |
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chris |
always pays to take a look at the script before you run it, eg |
| 11:17 |
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nengard |
i did look at the script - just missed that part of the perldoc |
| 11:17 |
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chris |
WARNING: This script is known to be faulty. It is NOT recommended to use multiple --lost options. See http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2881 |
| 11:17 |
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munin |
Bug 2881: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, RESOLVED FIXED, Default sorting in advanced search |
| 11:17 |
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nengard |
it's first thing monday morning :) |
| 11:18 |
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chris |
wow, that script is horrible |
| 11:18 |
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nengard |
LOL |
| 11:18 |
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chris |
srsly |
| 11:19 |
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chris |
i wouldnt use that in production |
| 11:19 |
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nengard |
k - so we need to add that to the list of things that were screwed up by not knowing how to code |
| 11:19 |
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nengard |
well we need something that does what it's supposed to do - so i was testing |
| 11:19 |
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nengard |
and it didn't work anyway |
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chris |
well, it was never meant to last long, add it to the list of things that would have gotten finished properly if the person writing didnt have a complete jerk for a boss |
| 11:32 |
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chris |
and now bedtime |
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slef |
hi all |
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jwagner |
Hi slef |
| 11:49 |
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Amit |
heya jwagner |
| 11:49 |
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jwagner |
Hi Amit |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
I'm just fixing up our vendors listing entry. Anyone know why the admin is in ISO-8859-1 now? It mangled our accents (which were UTF-8). |
| 11:50 |
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slef |
Anyone want their vendor listing entry updated while I'm in there? |
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jwagner |
slef, where are you talking about? |
| 11:54 |
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slef |
http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
| 12:01 |
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nengard |
slef i don't know for sure, but that might be a byproduct of a change wizzyrea made to make the manuals print right - not sure if they're are connected through |
| 12:01 |
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nengard |
though |
| 12:02 |
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nengard |
if so we'll need to find another work around for the manual |
| 12:03 |
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slef |
nengard: shall I email wizzyrea or will you take it up? |
| 12:04 |
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slef |
Moving from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1 seems a little backwards. |
| 12:04 |
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nengard |
I'll contact her since I know what she did to make the manual work -- the converter for the manual to HTML seems to need ISO or accents in the manual turn into question marks - if I'm understanding right what she did |
| 12:04 |
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nengard |
we did know that something might pop up to show us this move wouldn't work :( |
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slef |
Thanks. If you'd like help, we'd probably need to know what is the converter for the manual to HTML? Where is the manual source? |
| 12:20 |
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owen |
A belated happy birthday to you jwagner! |
| 12:20 |
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jwagner |
Thanks owen |
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magnus |
slef: i guess the source is here? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ocs.git;a=summary |
| 12:37 |
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* chris_n |
wishes jwagner a late happy birthday as well |
| 12:37 |
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nengard |
slef, manual source is in git: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ocs.git;a=summary -- I don't know what converter it is |
| 12:37 |
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chris_n |
owen about? |
| 12:37 |
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owen |
Yes |
| 12:37 |
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nengard |
oh - magnus told you :) |
| 12:38 |
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chris_n |
owen: any idea what RFC822 does with day of week and month abbreviations in languages other than english? |
| 12:38 |
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chris_n |
ie. Sun Mon... etc. |
| 12:38 |
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owen |
No clue! |
| 12:39 |
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chris_n |
well, I've added rfc822 to C4::Dates, but atm it only handles english dow, moy, abbrv's |
| 12:39 |
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* chris_n |
is not sure what to do to internationalize |
| 12:42 |
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slef |
chris_n: rfc2822 requires English - see section 3.3 |
| 12:42 |
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chris_n |
slef: I wondered about that, thanks |
| 12:42 |
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owen |
Thanks slef, that's just what I was about to guess |
| 12:42 |
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slef |
why guess? It's written in the RFC :-) |
| 12:43 |
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chris_n |
owen: I have one fix to push up to my repo and then you can give it a whirl |
| 12:43 |
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* slef |
mutters something about library system developers looking up references ;-) |
| 12:43 |
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* owen |
was perusing the RFC just now :P |
| 12:45 |
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chris_n |
owen: this feature is available here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ads/RFC822_format |
| 12:46 |
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owen |
chris_n++ |
| 12:46 |
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chris_n |
if it looks like it does what you want, I'll submit it for inclusion into 3.4, unless gmcharlt makes a dramatic exception for 3.2 |
| 12:46 |
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chris_n |
atz++ # for looking over it to be sure I did not bust things too badly :-) |
| 12:47 |
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owen |
Thanks chris_n, the feature I'm hankering to use it for certainly won't be in 3.2 |
| 12:48 |
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chris_n |
ok, if it works for you, maybe you can sign off on it and submit it for inclusion in 3.4 |
| 12:49 |
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chris_n |
if/when you do, be sure to pickup the two perltidy patches as well or it will not apply nicely |
| 12:51 |
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owen |
Okay, thanks |
| 12:55 |
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* chris_n |
's comments crash w/owen in bugzilla :-O |
| 12:56 |
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chris_n |
I wonder what that was all about... |
| 12:58 |
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chris_n |
owen: I added you to the cc list for bug 5218 |
| 12:58 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5218 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Add RFC822 Date Formatting to C4::Dates |
| 13:13 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
| 13:13 |
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owen |
? |
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gmcharlt |
http://www.cpbibliography.com/[…]e-koha-community/ |
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magnus |
that's the spirit! |
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nengard |
jcamins++ |
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kf |
jcamins++ |
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slef |
nice to see others imitating http://www.software.coop/info/coopdev.html :-) |
| 13:49 |
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wasabi |
... im gonna put that on my site too |
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jcamins |
My ears are burning. |
| 13:50 |
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jcamins |
Good morning, #koha |
| 13:51 |
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jcamins |
wasabi: any chance you could resend your patch to Bug 4289? |
| 13:51 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4289 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add a syspref 'OpacNotPublic', to hide OPAC search-bar and force authentication on all OPAC pages |
| 13:52 |
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wasabi |
10 mins... |
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jcamins |
Thanks! |
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kf |
jwagner: a belated happy birthday from me too :) |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
jwagner: oh, happy birthday! |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
Late. |
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jwagner |
Thanks kf and jcamins |
| 14:16 |
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wasabi |
jcamins: what are the new patching guidelines/rules? |
| 14:16 |
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wasabi |
"the patch attached to the bug does not have your commit message, so I cannot do that." |
| 14:16 |
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wasabi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4289 |
| 14:16 |
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munin |
Bug 4289: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add a syspref 'OpacNotPublic', to hide OPAC search-bar and force authentication on all OPAC pages |
| 14:17 |
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jcamins |
Oh, chris wants everything to be signed-off. |
| 14:17 |
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jcamins |
Which means I need the git patch. |
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pastebot |
"wasabi" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "zz" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/61 |
| 14:18 |
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wasabi |
i need to add that to the commit? |
| 14:19 |
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wasabi |
my commit description? |
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jcamins |
Yes please. |
| 14:20 |
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kf |
wasabi: it looks like your patch misses some lines at the top, compared to other patches: |
| 14:20 |
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kf |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=2195 |
| 14:20 |
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wasabi |
ah, ok.. |
| 14:21 |
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jcamins |
Oh, we need to ask someone about a version number for the database. |
| 14:21 |
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wasabi |
chris.c told me to leave that as 'X' , so i did... |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
Oh, okay. |
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nengard |
yeah, X is the norm and then the RM puts the right number in |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
Ah. That makes sense. |
| 14:22 |
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jcamins |
That was the only part of the patch that didn't apply cleanly to HEAD. |
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chris_n |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
wasabi: thanks! |
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wasabi |
np, a loong 10 mins... |
| 14:50 |
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wasabi |
and there's the commit in my repo |
| 14:50 |
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wasabi |
http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=ko[…]e66d38cc3c3380a02 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, I could just cherry-pick that, couldn't I? |
| 14:52 |
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wasabi |
l update my github repo 1st... |
| 14:53 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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briceSanc |
Hello ! |
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briceSanc |
Is there a debug function in Koha like "print" in order to show the content of a $var? |
| 15:06 |
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jcamins |
briceSanc: Hi. Can't you just use print? |
| 15:06 |
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ebegin |
briceSanc, you can use warn and the text will show in the logs |
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briceSanc |
jacamins, yes but the template erase the print |
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ebegin |
print will show in the output if you run your perl script from the command line |
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jcamins |
Oh, I was thinking about modifying command-line scripts. Of course you'd need something else for the web interface. Sorry about that. It's Monday. ;) |
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briceSanc |
ebegin, Thanks, i'm searching the log rep |
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ebegin |
/var/log/koha or <kohainstall>/var/log |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell slef please double check the support vendor pages when you have a chance. Thanks :) |
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munin |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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jcamins |
sekjal: before I comment on your analytic record RFC, I have a question for you. Does the RFC require a parent->child link to be present? That could result in excessively large records. |
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sekjal |
jcamins: I was just talking to Savitra about this, but haven't gotten my ideas out beyond that thread |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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sekjal |
I think there should be a concept of 'reciprocal relationships' |
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kf |
sekjal: our idea was to provice a search link |
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kf |
sekjal: and use some jquery magic to show the x first volumes directly in the record |
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sekjal |
that is, if you add a 773 point record A to record B, it will automatically add a 774 from B to A (for example) |
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kf |
parsed from the result page of the search link (not elegant... but my prototype works) |
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sekjal |
or you could turn off the reciprocal, and only have links in one direction |
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kf |
reciprocal will not work for us |
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kf |
we get our data from our union catalog - there is only a link in one direction there |
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kf |
as in marc21 standard |
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jcamins |
I think we'd really like what kf is describing... a virtual reciprocal link, if you will. |
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kf |
the union catalog data would overwrite those reciprocal links with every new import |
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kf |
jcamins: I think the problem with my solution is that you can't tell when to show the search link |
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kf |
it will show always - or perhaps you can hide it if the jquery gets no results |
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sekjal |
kf: hmmm, okay... would it help your solution to consult a table of relationships? |
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sekjal |
that way, if on record didn't relate to any other, you wouldn't have to invoke the jquery |
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jcamins |
We have one journal with 4176+ analytics, which would definitely put us way over the maximum record size limit. |
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sekjal |
I think we need to store the relationships outside of MARC, and make the insertion of MARC fields something configurable depending on library policies/practices/desires |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I like that idea. |
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sekjal |
I'm thinking the same would hold for MFHD support |
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kf |
sorry, afk now, will be back in a few minutes |
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slef |
wizzyrea: thanks. Other vendors will be happy (I switched ours to use entities and work around it). |
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kf |
sekjal: perhaps our problem is unique, not sure. for us the union catalog is the master database for the bibliographic records. If a record is changed, it's imported by a nightly import script and overwrites the record in koha. |
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kf |
sekjal: I am not sure how your table of relationships can be maintained. |
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kf |
if you are not cataloging in koha |
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jcamins |
Parse out 7xx fields? |
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kf |
the import scripts need to learn to do that |
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kf |
in that case |
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kf |
but as you said, the records will get too big |
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kf |
we have records for traced series too |
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jcamins |
Yeah, savitra (I think) wanted to add that feature to mulkmarcimport. |
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jcamins |
bulkmarcimport, even |
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kf |
I had not really time to read all the rfcs :( |
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kf |
will try to do tomorrow |
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* wizzyrea |
is more interested in hulkmarcimiport |
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* wizzyrea |
tee hee hee's |
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kf |
:) |
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* wizzyrea |
scurries away again |
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jcamins |
HULK IMPORT! |
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sekjal |
kf: we'd have to make the triggering of adding a new relationshop to the table be flexible |
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sekjal |
so, when a MARC record comes in with some field, the importer would either add, modify or remove the corresponding entry in the relationships table |
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sekjal |
depending on configs |
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jcamins |
What would the overhead on that be for kf? |
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jcamins |
(just throwing out whatever thoughts come to mind to clarify things for myself) |
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sekjal |
I suppose that would depend on what config options were avaialble |
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kf |
sekjal: we would need that as an option for the staged marc import |
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kf |
sekjal: we do matching by 001 |
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sekjal |
kf: yes! so we'd add lines on what to do about analytics, just like there are options for what to do with items |
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kf |
I am not against a relationship table - but opposed to storing the information in the marc21 records |
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sekjal |
kf: would the information be coming in from the MARC initially? |
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kf |
are you only looking for analytics or other relationships too? |
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kf |
afaik the mother does not know her child records |
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jcamins |
I'm pretty sure MARC specifies that parent->child relationships are optional. |
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sekjal |
you'd configure whatever relationships you want in the system, and tie them to MARC if appropriate |
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kf |
jcamins: which fields do you use in the parent? |
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sekjal |
then the importer would look for relationships, and parse them as appropriate |
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kf |
we have a lot of relationships in our data and we need to make them show - it's a big problem now. |
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kf |
I started some work on $w relationships, but on a different level - just wanting to make them show |
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yhager |
I am trying to install koha - when I try to access myserver:8080, I get an error, and in the log it seems the db tables do not exist. Do I need to create them myself? |
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jcamins |
kf: you _can_ use 774, or 787, but I'm 99% sure that it's not required, or even recommended. |
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kf |
not thinking so much about import and cataloging, because that's not important to us |
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kf |
jcamins: I think it's not required |
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jcamins |
Yeah, here it is. Definitely not required. |
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jcamins |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bd76x78x.html |
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jcamins |
About a third of the way down under "Component Parts/Constituent Units." |
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kf |
we have separate records a work as parent and it's volumes as separate records, traced series as records with relationships, serials with former/later etc., parallel title, a lot of relationhsops |
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kf |
relationships |
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kf |
electronic to print version |
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* jcamins |
wishes that his library's bibliographic database was as nice as kf's. |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
the work of a lot of busy librarians |
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yhager |
should I run "mysql < kohastructure.sql"? it does not appear in the INSTALL file |
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kf |
jcamins: "This bibliographic database [SWB] references all kinds of media of more than 1000 libraries in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Saxony, Saarland, and Rhineland-Palatinate. It contains 47 million holding records for about 12 million titles of mainly scientific literature. These comprise 1.2 million holding records of 350.000 journals." |
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jcamins |
yhager: the installer should take care of that for you. |
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jcamins |
kf: And I am hugely jealous. ;) |
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kf |
;) |
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yhager |
jcamins: I get "production mode - trapped fatal error" when trying to access the installer and lots of errors in the log related to non existing tables |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
I don't really recall the steps for installing Koha. Perhaps someone else remembers? |
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yhager |
jcamins: which is the most suitable mailing list for this kind of question? the devel one? |
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sekjal |
yhager: did you create the koha database, and give your koha mysql account permissions on it? |
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yhager |
sekjal: yes |
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yhager |
I will double check |
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kf |
I think there were several posts about trapped fatal error already, try google first |
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yhager |
re db, it works when I access it using mysql cmd line, and I can create tables |
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wizzyrea |
http://old.nabble.com/producti[…]--td19272321.html |
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yhager |
I have CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml-4.26 installed |
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yhager |
wizzyrea: did you mean I should have 4.21? |
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wizzyrea |
no, I meant that if you didn't have CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml installed you might need to |
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owen |
Hi druthb |
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druthb |
hi, owen. |
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druthb |
:) |
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chris |
morning |
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jcamins |
Morning. |
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wizzyrea |
mornin |
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druthb |
hi, chris! :) |
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* druthb |
waves happily at wizzyrea. |
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wizzyrea |
hey druthb! |
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brendan |
morning |
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chris_n |
owen about? |
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owen |
Yes |
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chris_n |
I think we've found a bug in adding and deleting subfields |
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chris_n |
for example |
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chris_n |
I can add as many 505$t subfields as I like until I delete one of them |
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chris_n |
then the clone control ceases to work |
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chris_n |
can you confirm this by chance? |
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owen |
I've certainly seen similar bugs with cloning and deleting. |
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* owen |
will test |
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* owen |
needs a break from Drupal anyway |
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* chris_n |
hands owen a fresh cup of coffee and a donut as he sits down to Koha ;-) |
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owen |
Yeah, it looks like the delete control for all instances of $t (for instance) reference the original $t. clicking any of them will delete the original, and then you get an error because the original isn't there to delete anymore |
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chris_n |
so this is a js problem? |
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owen |
It's hard to separate the js from the script on this page because much of the js is generated by the script |
| 19:16 |
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owen |
But essentially yes it's a js problem |
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* chris_n |
groans... another marc editor mess |
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chris_n |
so I'll open a bug on it then |
| 19:17 |
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owen |
I think there may already be one. Did you search? |
| 19:17 |
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chris_n |
not yet, I will now |
| 19:17 |
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owen |
Bug 5141 is similar |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5141 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Cannot duplicate subfields after duplicating a field |
| 19:18 |
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chris_n |
bug 4867 also |
| 19:18 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness |
| 19:18 |
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owen |
Yup |
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chris_n |
even bug 3264 |
| 19:18 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3264 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, UnCloneField() / minus button in MARC authorities editor can clear all subfields. |
| 19:18 |
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owen |
They all probably have the same root cause |
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chris_n |
*sigh* |
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owen |
I think cloning and deleting of tags/subfields needs to be re-written. Not only because it's buggy but because it's really slow too |
| 19:19 |
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chris_n |
and that is a subset of why the entire editor needs to be rewritten |
| 19:19 |
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owen |
I've tried a couple of times to get a good handle on the existing functionality, but I haven't succeeded. |
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chris_n |
some sort of ajax driven editor where only the tag you were currently looking at is loaded |
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chris_n |
others load dynamically, etc |
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chris_n |
so reducing the js load on the client side |
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* chris_n |
goes on dreaming |
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owen |
it's too bad the biblios editor was a dead end |
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jcamins |
chris_n: can I add my dream to yours? |
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owen |
Now that Google Gears is dead I don't know how you could begin to resurrect it |
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* chris_n |
invites jcamins in |
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jcamins |
The ability to reorganize fields and subfields! |
| 19:22 |
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owen |
(not that I know whether it's a better choice at all) |
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chris_n |
dare I say 'drag-n-drop'? |
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jcamins |
Yes! |
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chris_n |
owen: what about some of yui's more advanced stuff? |
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chris_n |
heya brandan |
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brendan |
heya chris_n |
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sekjal |
I'd like to see a new html5 based template, parallel to 'prog' |
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chris_n |
sekjal: cool idea |
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* owen |
has to hold his nose to use YUI at all... |
| 19:24 |
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owen |
It would be very useful to write up a spec for how the MARC editor *should* behave |
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chris_n |
sekjal: and wonderful for backward compatibility for those who don't like the change or can't make the leap |
| 19:25 |
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sekjal |
chris_n: yeah, we'd need to keep the old templates for compatibility, but the new html5-based one could be released at the same time as a more CSS3-based styling |
| 19:25 |
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jcamins |
owen: I know what *I* want, but I feel like it's probably not what other people would want. |
| 19:26 |
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owen |
jcamins: But the MARC standard defines things you *should* be able to do |
| 19:26 |
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chris_n |
we should begin an rfc for both a new templating system and a completely new marc editor |
| 19:27 |
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wizzyrea |
while you're doing that... add in customization of receipts :P |
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* chris_n |
welcomes wizzyrea to the dream session |
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* owen |
hands wizzyrea a brownie |
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sekjal |
I'd say we should fold receipts under Notices; then build Notices to be configurable in how they're delivered (email, print, sms, facebook, etc.) |
| 19:28 |
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sekjal |
with fallbacks in a user-configurable order per notice |
| 19:28 |
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* wizzyrea |
makes no apologies to wanting a templating system that is as pluggable as WordPress |
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* chris_n |
looks at his star tps700 still sitting on the shelf three months later |
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* wizzyrea |
gets distracted by the brownie |
| 19:29 |
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jcamins |
Facebook? That's an interesting way to send notices. |
| 19:29 |
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* wizzyrea |
thinks it would be epic to have a facebook app to tie into koha |
| 19:30 |
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wizzyrea |
much like twitter ties into facebook |
| 19:30 |
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wizzyrea |
or friendfeed |
| 19:30 |
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chris |
templates are all changing for 3.4 |
| 19:30 |
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wizzyrea |
"Hey, your books are due in a couple of days!" in your news feed would get books back I think :) |
| 19:30 |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris |
To using template toolkit |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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chris |
Seems a good opportunity |
| 19:31 |
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sekjal |
jcamins: if we coded with Facebook in mind, that's force us to be more flexible, and allow for lots of other kinds of connections, likely |
| 19:31 |
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chris_n |
TT++ |
| 19:31 |
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owen |
wizzyrea: We should have it post overdue messages to all your friends' pages too so they can peer pressure you |
| 19:31 |
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wizzyrea |
ooh |
| 19:31 |
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wizzyrea |
"so and so didn't return their books.... send them a virtual handslap!" |
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chris_n |
sekjal, jcamins: some sort of connector library would be nice |
| 19:31 |
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chris |
The problem wp has is speed |
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chris |
Hence all the caching plugins |
| 19:32 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, it is slow, for sure. |
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jcamins |
Speed and integration. Our two problems. Speed, integration, and ubiquity, three... |
| 19:32 |
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jcamins |
Sorry. |
| 19:32 |
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jcamins |
It is *so* Monday. |
| 19:32 |
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chris |
You have to balance customisability vs performance |
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* wizzyrea |
still won't apologize for wanting it :D |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
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wizzyrea |
I didn't say it was *practical* |
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chris |
You just have to solve it, then we can :) |
| 19:33 |
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wizzyrea |
actually you bring up a good point about the caching |
| 19:33 |
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chris |
TT pre renders for speed |
| 19:33 |
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wizzyrea |
what if you had a pluggable system that ^^ did that |
| 19:34 |
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wizzyrea |
instead of every load |
| 19:34 |
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chris |
Yep |
| 19:34 |
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chris |
That's what we do with stuff |
| 19:34 |
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wizzyrea |
but in a way that your average techie librarian could get their heads around |
| 19:35 |
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chris |
Once we have tt there is a ton more we can do |
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* chris_n |
wonders if fridolyn somers' patch for bug 4867 ever made it in... |
| 19:36 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness |
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chris |
Ill look when I'm at work |
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chris |
Facebook connect is trivial |
| 19:38 |
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chris |
We could do that now |
| 19:39 |
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chris |
But I hate facebook so someone else will have to |
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* chris_n |
notes that patch did not make it in |
| 19:39 |
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chris_n |
I'll test it and send it along if it fixes things |
| 19:39 |
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chris |
I'm more interested in chilts adding openid support |
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chris |
Cool, sign off on it |
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* chris |
is on his sign off crusade still |
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jwagner |
chris, are the procedures that should be followed posted somewhere yet? In painful detail for those of us less literate with git? |
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chris |
Yeah on the wiki |
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chris |
Id look for the url, but would take too much mucking around on the phone |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
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wizzyrea |
that one, chris? |
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chris |
Looks likely |
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chris |
Yeah that's it thanks |
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jwagner |
Thanks. I looked last week but didn't see anything. |
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chris_n |
well, that patch did not fix what I'm seeing :-( |
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chris_n |
jwagner: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_patches#Sign-off |
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chris |
Ok my stop coming up, bbiab |
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chris_n |
owen: I think I've found the problem |
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chris_n |
the script passes in a var 'random' which is presumably to cause each field to have a unique identifier |
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chris_n |
only each clone uses the same var 'random' |
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chris_n |
so they all reference the same field |
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owen |
So the clone function needs to have a built-in random var generator |
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chris_n |
that sounds easy.... maybe too easy |
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chris_n |
probably the CloneSubfield function needs the rnd generator |
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is not a js hack :-( |
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chris |
back |
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chris |
that certainly sounds plausible to me chris_n |
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chris_n |
It looks like the CloneSubfield function does not do anything to the index attribute |
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owen |
Quitting time for me. See y'all tomorrow |
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chris_n |
which is the problem |
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chris_n |
bye owen |
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is past quitting time.. |
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chris_n |
but then that's the sign of an addict... right? |
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chris |
heh yup |
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chris_n |
it modifies the other unique attributes by adding a var 'new_key' |
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chris |
ahh |
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chris_n |
so maybe by having it do the same to index things will work |
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chris |
worth a crack |
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chris_n |
not |
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chris_n |
oh well |
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chris_n |
it will probably be here tomorrow |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha |
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richard |
hiya russ |
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russ |
morning |
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wizzyrea |
bug 4879 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4879 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, lint-like tool for Koha database contents |
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wizzyrea |
bug 4870 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves |
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wizzyrea |
ew |
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chris |
weirdness on my connection today it seems |
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richard |
yeah, likewise |
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chris |
i suspect its telstraclear |
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richard |
http://www.bash.org/?168859 |
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rhcl |
funny |
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yhager |
I think I know the installation problem I have - I found "Can't locate version/vpp.pm" in the log file.. |
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chris |
hi brendan_l |
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brendan_l |
heya chris |
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