Time Nick Message 23:35 brendan_l heya chris 23:33 chris hi brendan_l 22:14 yhager I think I know the installation problem I have - I found "Can't locate version/vpp.pm" in the log file.. 22:13 rhcl funny 22:12 richard http://www.bash.org/?168859 22:10 chris i suspect its telstraclear 22:08 richard yeah, likewise 22:04 chris weirdness on my connection today it seems 21:13 wizzyrea ew 21:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves 21:13 wizzyrea bug 4870 21:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4879 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, lint-like tool for Koha database contents 21:13 wizzyrea bug 4879 20:53 russ morning 20:52 richard hiya russ 20:40 jcamins Good night, #koha 20:18 chris_n it will probably be here tomorrow 20:18 chris_n oh well 20:18 chris_n not 20:11 chris worth a crack 20:11 chris_n so maybe by having it do the same to index things will work 20:11 chris ahh 20:11 chris_n it modifies the other unique attributes by adding a var 'new_key' 20:10 chris heh yup 20:10 chris_n but then that's the sign of an addict... right? 20:10 * chris_n is past quitting time.. 20:09 chris_n bye owen 20:09 chris_n which is the problem 20:09 owen Quitting time for me. See y'all tomorrow 20:09 chris_n It looks like the CloneSubfield function does not do anything to the index attribute 20:09 chris that certainly sounds plausible to me chris_n 20:05 chris back 20:05 * chris_n is not a js hack :-( 20:04 chris_n probably the CloneSubfield function needs the rnd generator 20:04 chris_n that sounds easy.... maybe too easy 20:03 owen So the clone function needs to have a built-in random var generator 20:03 chris_n so they all reference the same field 20:03 chris_n only each clone uses the same var 'random' 20:03 chris_n the script passes in a var 'random' which is presumably to cause each field to have a unique identifier 20:02 chris_n owen: I think I've found the problem 19:52 chris Ok my stop coming up, bbiab 19:51 chris_n jwagner: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches#Sign-off 19:51 chris_n well, that patch did not fix what I'm seeing :-( 19:51 jwagner Thanks. I looked last week but didn't see anything. 19:50 chris Yeah that's it thanks 19:49 chris Looks likely 19:49 wizzyrea that one, chris? 19:49 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 19:48 chris Id look for the url, but would take too much mucking around on the phone 19:46 chris Yeah on the wiki 19:45 jwagner chris, are the procedures that should be followed posted somewhere yet? In painful detail for those of us less literate with git? 19:42 * chris is on his sign off crusade still 19:40 chris Cool, sign off on it 19:39 chris I'm more interested in chilts adding openid support 19:39 chris_n I'll test it and send it along if it fixes things 19:39 * chris_n notes that patch did not make it in 19:39 chris But I hate facebook so someone else will have to 19:38 chris We could do that now 19:38 chris Facebook connect is trivial 19:37 chris Ill look when I'm at work 19:36 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness 19:36 * chris_n wonders if fridolyn somers' patch for bug 4867 ever made it in... 19:35 chris Once we have tt there is a ton more we can do 19:34 wizzyrea but in a way that your average techie librarian could get their heads around 19:34 chris That's what we do with stuff 19:34 chris Yep 19:34 wizzyrea instead of every load 19:33 wizzyrea what if you had a pluggable system that ^^ did that 19:33 chris TT pre renders for speed 19:33 wizzyrea actually you bring up a good point about the caching 19:33 chris You just have to solve it, then we can :) 19:33 wizzyrea I didn't say it was *practical* 19:33 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:32 * wizzyrea still won't apologize for wanting it :D 19:32 chris You have to balance customisability vs performance 19:32 jcamins It is *so* Monday. 19:32 jcamins Sorry. 19:32 jcamins Speed and integration. Our two problems. Speed, integration, and ubiquity, three... 19:32 wizzyrea yes, it is slow, for sure. 19:32 chris Hence all the caching plugins 19:31 chris The problem wp has is speed 19:31 chris_n sekjal, jcamins: some sort of connector library would be nice 19:31 wizzyrea "so and so didn't return their books.... send them a virtual handslap!" 19:31 wizzyrea ooh 19:31 owen wizzyrea: We should have it post overdue messages to all your friends' pages too so they can peer pressure you 19:31 chris_n TT++ 19:31 sekjal jcamins: if we coded with Facebook in mind, that's force us to be more flexible, and allow for lots of other kinds of connections, likely 19:30 chris Seems a good opportunity 19:30 jcamins Heh. 19:30 chris To using template toolkit 19:30 chris_n hehe 19:30 wizzyrea "Hey, your books are due in a couple of days!" in your news feed would get books back I think :) 19:30 chris templates are all changing for 3.4 19:30 wizzyrea or friendfeed 19:30 wizzyrea much like twitter ties into facebook 19:29 * wizzyrea thinks it would be epic to have a facebook app to tie into koha 19:29 jcamins Facebook? That's an interesting way to send notices. 19:28 * wizzyrea gets distracted by the brownie 19:28 * chris_n looks at his star tps700 still sitting on the shelf three months later 19:28 * wizzyrea makes no apologies to wanting a templating system that is as pluggable as WordPress 19:28 sekjal with fallbacks in a user-configurable order per notice 19:28 sekjal I'd say we should fold receipts under Notices; then build Notices to be configurable in how they're delivered (email, print, sms, facebook, etc.) 19:28 * owen hands wizzyrea a brownie 19:27 * chris_n welcomes wizzyrea to the dream session 19:27 wizzyrea while you're doing that... add in customization of receipts :P 19:26 chris_n we should begin an rfc for both a new templating system and a completely new marc editor 19:26 owen jcamins: But the MARC standard defines things you *should* be able to do 19:25 jcamins owen: I know what *I* want, but I feel like it's probably not what other people would want. 19:25 sekjal chris_n: yeah, we'd need to keep the old templates for compatibility, but the new html5-based one could be released at the same time as a more CSS3-based styling 19:24 chris_n sekjal: and wonderful for backward compatibility for those who don't like the change or can't make the leap 19:24 owen It would be very useful to write up a spec for how the MARC editor *should* behave 19:23 * owen has to hold his nose to use YUI at all... 19:23 chris_n sekjal: cool idea 19:23 sekjal I'd like to see a new html5 based template, parallel to 'prog' 19:23 brendan heya chris_n 19:23 chris_n heya brandan 19:23 chris_n owen: what about some of yui's more advanced stuff? 19:22 jcamins Yes! 19:22 chris_n dare I say 'drag-n-drop'? 19:22 owen (not that I know whether it's a better choice at all) 19:22 jcamins The ability to reorganize fields and subfields! 19:22 * chris_n invites jcamins in 19:21 owen Now that Google Gears is dead I don't know how you could begin to resurrect it 19:21 jcamins chris_n: can I add my dream to yours? 19:21 owen it's too bad the biblios editor was a dead end 19:21 * chris_n goes on dreaming 19:20 chris_n so reducing the js load on the client side 19:20 chris_n others load dynamically, etc 19:20 chris_n some sort of ajax driven editor where only the tag you were currently looking at is loaded 19:19 owen I've tried a couple of times to get a good handle on the existing functionality, but I haven't succeeded. 19:19 chris_n and that is a subset of why the entire editor needs to be rewritten 19:19 owen I think cloning and deleting of tags/subfields needs to be re-written. Not only because it's buggy but because it's really slow too 19:19 chris_n *sigh* 19:18 owen They all probably have the same root cause 19:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3264 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, UnCloneField() / minus button in MARC authorities editor can clear all subfields. 19:18 chris_n even bug 3264 19:18 owen Yup 19:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness 19:18 chris_n bug 4867 also 19:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5141 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Cannot duplicate subfields after duplicating a field 19:17 owen Bug 5141 is similar 19:17 chris_n not yet, I will now 19:17 owen I think there may already be one. Did you search? 19:16 chris_n so I'll open a bug on it then 19:16 * chris_n groans... another marc editor mess 19:16 owen But essentially yes it's a js problem 19:16 owen It's hard to separate the js from the script on this page because much of the js is generated by the script 19:15 chris_n so this is a js problem? 19:15 owen Yeah, it looks like the delete control for all instances of $t (for instance) reference the original $t. clicking any of them will delete the original, and then you get an error because the original isn't there to delete anymore 19:12 * chris_n hands owen a fresh cup of coffee and a donut as he sits down to Koha ;-) 19:11 * owen needs a break from Drupal anyway 19:11 * owen will test 19:11 owen I've certainly seen similar bugs with cloning and deleting. 19:10 chris_n can you confirm this by chance? 19:10 chris_n then the clone control ceases to work 19:10 chris_n I can add as many 505$t subfields as I like until I delete one of them 19:09 chris_n for example 19:09 chris_n I think we've found a bug in adding and deleting subfields 19:08 owen Yes 19:08 chris_n owen about? 18:01 brendan morning 17:59 wizzyrea hey druthb! 17:59 * druthb waves happily at wizzyrea. 17:58 druthb hi, chris! :) 17:57 wizzyrea mornin 17:56 jcamins Morning. 17:56 chris morning 16:51 druthb :) 16:50 druthb hi, owen. 16:50 owen Hi druthb 16:35 wizzyrea no, I meant that if you didn't have CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml installed you might need to 16:31 yhager wizzyrea: did you mean I should have 4.21? 16:29 yhager I have CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml-4.26 installed 16:27 wizzyrea http://old.nabble.com/production-mode---trapped-fatal-error-:-huh----td19272321.html 16:25 yhager re db, it works when I access it using mysql cmd line, and I can create tables 16:24 kf I think there were several posts about trapped fatal error already, try google first 16:23 yhager I will double check 16:23 yhager sekjal: yes 16:23 sekjal yhager: did you create the koha database, and give your koha mysql account permissions on it? 16:23 yhager jcamins: which is the most suitable mailing list for this kind of question? the devel one? 16:22 jcamins I don't really recall the steps for installing Koha. Perhaps someone else remembers? 16:21 jcamins Hm. 16:21 yhager jcamins: I get "production mode - trapped fatal error" when trying to access the installer and lots of errors in the log related to non existing tables 16:16 kf ;) 16:16 jcamins kf: And I am hugely jealous. ;) 16:15 jcamins yhager: the installer should take care of that for you. 16:15 kf jcamins: "This bibliographic database [SWB] references all kinds of media of more than 1000 libraries in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Saxony, Saarland, and Rhineland-Palatinate. It contains 47 million holding records for about 12 million titles of mainly scientific literature. These comprise 1.2 million holding records of 350.000 journals." 16:13 yhager should I run "mysql < kohastructure.sql"? it does not appear in the INSTALL file 16:13 kf the work of a lot of busy librarians 16:13 kf :) 16:13 * jcamins wishes that his library's bibliographic database was as nice as kf's. 16:11 kf electronic to print version 16:11 kf relationships 16:10 kf we have separate records a work as parent and it's volumes as separate records, traced series as records with relationships, serials with former/later etc., parallel title, a lot of relationhsops 16:10 jcamins About a third of the way down under "Component Parts/Constituent Units." 16:10 jcamins http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd76x78x.html 16:10 jcamins Yeah, here it is. Definitely not required. 16:09 kf jcamins: I think it's not required 16:09 kf not thinking so much about import and cataloging, because that's not important to us 16:09 jcamins kf: you _can_ use 774, or 787, but I'm 99% sure that it's not required, or even recommended. 16:09 yhager I am trying to install koha - when I try to access myserver:8080, I get an error, and in the log it seems the db tables do not exist. Do I need to create them myself? 16:09 kf I started some work on $w relationships, but on a different level - just wanting to make them show 16:08 kf we have a lot of relationships in our data and we need to make them show - it's a big problem now. 16:08 sekjal then the importer would look for relationships, and parse them as appropriate 16:08 kf jcamins: which fields do you use in the parent? 16:07 sekjal you'd configure whatever relationships you want in the system, and tie them to MARC if appropriate 16:07 jcamins I'm pretty sure MARC specifies that parent->child relationships are optional. 16:06 kf afaik the mother does not know her child records 16:06 kf are you only looking for analytics or other relationships too? 16:06 sekjal kf: would the information be coming in from the MARC initially? 16:05 kf I am not against a relationship table - but opposed to storing the information in the marc21 records 16:05 sekjal kf: yes! so we'd add lines on what to do about analytics, just like there are options for what to do with items 16:05 kf sekjal: we do matching by 001 16:04 kf sekjal: we would need that as an option for the staged marc import 16:04 sekjal I suppose that would depend on what config options were avaialble 16:04 jcamins (just throwing out whatever thoughts come to mind to clarify things for myself) 16:03 jcamins What would the overhead on that be for kf? 16:03 sekjal depending on configs 16:03 sekjal so, when a MARC record comes in with some field, the importer would either add, modify or remove the corresponding entry in the relationships table 16:01 sekjal kf: we'd have to make the triggering of adding a new relationshop to the table be flexible 16:00 jcamins HULK IMPORT! 16:00 * wizzyrea scurries away again 16:00 kf :) 16:00 * wizzyrea tee hee hee's 15:59 * wizzyrea is more interested in hulkmarcimiport 15:59 kf will try to do tomorrow 15:59 kf I had not really time to read all the rfcs :( 15:59 jcamins bulkmarcimport, even 15:59 jcamins Yeah, savitra (I think) wanted to add that feature to mulkmarcimport. 15:58 kf we have records for traced series too 15:58 kf but as you said, the records will get too big 15:58 kf in that case 15:58 kf the import scripts need to learn to do that 15:57 jcamins Parse out 7xx fields? 15:56 kf if you are not cataloging in koha 15:56 kf sekjal: I am not sure how your table of relationships can be maintained. 15:56 kf sekjal: perhaps our problem is unique, not sure. for us the union catalog is the master database for the bibliographic records. If a record is changed, it's imported by a nightly import script and overwrites the record in koha. 15:30 slef wizzyrea: thanks. Other vendors will be happy (I switched ours to use entities and work around it). 15:30 kf sorry, afk now, will be back in a few minutes 15:25 sekjal I'm thinking the same would hold for MFHD support 15:25 jcamins Yeah, I like that idea. 15:24 sekjal I think we need to store the relationships outside of MARC, and make the insertion of MARC fields something configurable depending on library policies/practices/desires 15:23 jcamins We have one journal with 4176+ analytics, which would definitely put us way over the maximum record size limit. 15:23 sekjal that way, if on record didn't relate to any other, you wouldn't have to invoke the jquery 15:22 sekjal kf: hmmm, okay... would it help your solution to consult a table of relationships? 15:22 kf it will show always - or perhaps you can hide it if the jquery gets no results 15:22 kf jcamins: I think the problem with my solution is that you can't tell when to show the search link 15:21 kf the union catalog data would overwrite those reciprocal links with every new import 15:21 jcamins I think we'd really like what kf is describing... a virtual reciprocal link, if you will. 15:21 kf as in marc21 standard 15:21 kf we get our data from our union catalog - there is only a link in one direction there 15:20 kf reciprocal will not work for us 15:20 sekjal or you could turn off the reciprocal, and only have links in one direction 15:20 kf parsed from the result page of the search link (not elegant... but my prototype works) 15:20 sekjal that is, if you add a 773 point record A to record B, it will automatically add a 774 from B to A (for example) 15:19 kf sekjal: and use some jquery magic to show the x first volumes directly in the record 15:19 kf sekjal: our idea was to provice a search link 15:19 sekjal I think there should be a concept of 'reciprocal relationships' 15:19 jcamins Okay. 15:19 sekjal jcamins: I was just talking to Savitra about this, but haven't gotten my ideas out beyond that thread 15:17 jcamins sekjal: before I comment on your analytic record RFC, I have a question for you. Does the RFC require a parent->child link to be present? That could result in excessively large records. 15:16 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 15:16 wizzyrea @later tell slef please double check the support vendor pages when you have a chance. Thanks :) 15:08 ebegin /var/log/koha or <kohainstall>/var/log 15:08 briceSanc ebegin, Thanks, i'm searching the log rep 15:07 jcamins Oh, I was thinking about modifying command-line scripts. Of course you'd need something else for the web interface. Sorry about that. It's Monday. ;) 15:06 ebegin print will show in the output if you run your perl script from the command line 15:06 briceSanc jacamins, yes but the template erase the print 15:06 ebegin briceSanc, you can use warn and the text will show in the logs 15:06 jcamins briceSanc: Hi. Can't you just use print? 15:05 briceSanc Is there a debug function in Koha like "print" in order to show the content of a $var? 15:03 briceSanc Hello ! 14:53 jcamins Thanks. 14:52 wasabi l update my github repo 1st... 14:52 jcamins Ooh, I could just cherry-pick that, couldn't I? 14:50 wasabi http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha/.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cec6d7efbe4b72a49f1aaee66d38cc3c3380a02 14:50 wasabi and there's the commit in my repo 14:44 wasabi np, a loong 10 mins... 14:43 jcamins wasabi: thanks! 14:25 chris_n jcamins++ 14:22 jcamins That was the only part of the patch that didn't apply cleanly to HEAD. 14:22 jcamins Ah. That makes sense. 14:22 nengard yeah, X is the norm and then the RM puts the right number in 14:22 jcamins Oh, okay. 14:21 wasabi chris.c told me to leave that as 'X' , so i did... 14:21 jcamins Oh, we need to ask someone about a version number for the database. 14:20 wasabi ah, ok.. 14:20 kf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=2195 14:20 kf wasabi: it looks like your patch misses some lines at the top, compared to other patches: 14:19 jcamins Yes please. 14:19 wasabi my commit description? 14:18 wasabi i need to add that to the commit? 14:18 pastebot "wasabi" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "zz" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/61 14:17 jcamins Which means I need the git patch. 14:17 jcamins Oh, chris wants everything to be signed-off. 14:16 munin 04Bug 4289: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add a syspref 'OpacNotPublic', to hide OPAC search-bar and force authentication on all OPAC pages 14:16 wasabi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4289 14:16 wasabi "the patch attached to the bug does not have your commit message, so I cannot do that." 14:16 wasabi jcamins: what are the new patching guidelines/rules? 14:14 jwagner Thanks kf and jcamins 14:02 jcamins Late. 14:02 jcamins jwagner: oh, happy birthday! 14:01 kf jwagner: a belated happy birthday from me too :) 13:54 jcamins Thanks! 13:52 wasabi 10 mins... 13:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4289 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add a syspref 'OpacNotPublic', to hide OPAC search-bar and force authentication on all OPAC pages 13:51 jcamins wasabi: any chance you could resend your patch to Bug 4289? 13:50 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:50 jcamins My ears are burning. 13:49 wasabi ... im gonna put that on my site too 13:43 slef nice to see others imitating http://www.software.coop/info/coopdev.html :-) 13:31 kf jcamins++ 13:19 nengard jcamins++ 13:16 magnus that's the spirit! 13:14 gmcharlt http://www.cpbibliography.com/2010/09/pledge-to-the-koha-community/ 13:13 owen ? 13:13 gmcharlt jcamins++ 12:58 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5218 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, Add RFC822 Date Formatting to C4::Dates 12:58 chris_n owen: I added you to the cc list for bug 5218 12:56 chris_n I wonder what that was all about... 12:55 * chris_n 's comments crash w/owen in bugzilla :-O 12:51 owen Okay, thanks 12:49 chris_n if/when you do, be sure to pickup the two perltidy patches as well or it will not apply nicely 12:48 chris_n ok, if it works for you, maybe you can sign off on it and submit it for inclusion in 3.4 12:47 owen Thanks chris_n, the feature I'm hankering to use it for certainly won't be in 3.2 12:46 chris_n atz++ # for looking over it to be sure I did not bust things too badly :-) 12:46 chris_n if it looks like it does what you want, I'll submit it for inclusion into 3.4, unless gmcharlt makes a dramatic exception for 3.2 12:46 owen chris_n++ 12:45 chris_n owen: this feature is available here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/RFC822_format 12:43 * owen was perusing the RFC just now :P 12:43 * slef mutters something about library system developers looking up references ;-) 12:43 chris_n owen: I have one fix to push up to my repo and then you can give it a whirl 12:42 slef why guess? It's written in the RFC :-) 12:42 owen Thanks slef, that's just what I was about to guess 12:42 chris_n slef: I wondered about that, thanks 12:42 slef chris_n: rfc2822 requires English - see section 3.3 12:39 * chris_n is not sure what to do to internationalize 12:39 chris_n well, I've added rfc822 to C4::Dates, but atm it only handles english dow, moy, abbrv's 12:38 owen No clue! 12:38 chris_n ie. Sun Mon... etc. 12:38 chris_n owen: any idea what RFC822 does with day of week and month abbreviations in languages other than english? 12:37 nengard oh - magnus told you :) 12:37 owen Yes 12:37 chris_n owen about? 12:37 nengard slef, manual source is in git: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary -- I don't know what converter it is 12:37 * chris_n wishes jwagner a late happy birthday as well 12:31 magnus slef: i guess the source is here? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary 12:20 jwagner Thanks owen 12:20 owen A belated happy birthday to you jwagner! 12:18 slef Thanks. If you'd like help, we'd probably need to know what is the converter for the manual to HTML? Where is the manual source? 12:04 nengard we did know that something might pop up to show us this move wouldn't work :( 12:04 nengard I'll contact her since I know what she did to make the manual work -- the converter for the manual to HTML seems to need ISO or accents in the manual turn into question marks - if I'm understanding right what she did 12:04 slef Moving from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1 seems a little backwards. 12:03 slef nengard: shall I email wizzyrea or will you take it up? 12:02 nengard if so we'll need to find another work around for the manual 12:01 nengard though 12:01 nengard slef i don't know for sure, but that might be a byproduct of a change wizzyrea made to make the manuals print right - not sure if they're are connected through 11:54 slef http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 11:53 jwagner slef, where are you talking about? 11:50 slef Anyone want their vendor listing entry updated while I'm in there? 11:50 slef I'm just fixing up our vendors listing entry. Anyone know why the admin is in ISO-8859-1 now? It mangled our accents (which were UTF-8). 11:49 jwagner Hi Amit 11:49 Amit heya jwagner 11:49 jwagner Hi slef 11:47 slef hi all 11:32 chris and now bedtime 11:26 chris well, it was never meant to last long, add it to the list of things that would have gotten finished properly if the person writing didnt have a complete jerk for a boss 11:19 nengard and it didn't work anyway 11:19 nengard well we need something that does what it's supposed to do - so i was testing 11:19 nengard k - so we need to add that to the list of things that were screwed up by not knowing how to code 11:19 chris i wouldnt use that in production 11:18 chris srsly 11:18 nengard LOL 11:18 chris wow, that script is horrible 11:17 nengard it's first thing monday morning :) 11:17 munin 04Bug 2881: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, RESOLVED FIXED, Default sorting in advanced search 11:17 chris WARNING: This script is known to be faulty. It is NOT recommended to use multiple --lost options. See http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2881 11:17 nengard i did look at the script - just missed that part of the perldoc 11:17 chris always pays to take a look at the script before you run it, eg 11:16 nengard missed that line :) 11:16 nengard bingo 11:14 chris --confirm confirm. without this option, the script will report the number of affected items and return without modifying any records. 11:13 nengard how do I make it go into 'real' mode? 11:13 nengard but it says it's in ### TEST MODE 11:12 nengard i entered this at the command line: $PERL5LIB/misc/cronjobs/longoverdue.pl --lost 30=2 --charge 1 11:12 nengard question about long overdues 11:00 nengard howdy 11:00 Amit hi nengard 10:52 nengard hello 10:52 chris hi nengard 10:33 chris theres crazy people everywhere 10:33 wasabi http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/ 10:32 wasabi um, is this not really curious...? 10:00 ivanc [off] right thinking kf 09:50 chris yep, thats definitely true kf 09:50 chris [off] well we have to make sure that they at least have more then just the ptfs side of the story, so they can make informed decisions, if they listen to ptfs they will think we are all evil and our code is bad, and we just want to get rich thats why we dont like ptfs, because those are precisely the things they are saying 09:47 magnus [off] and their customers probably should think about where they are and where they want to go... 09:45 kf I like to think we can persuade people to use koha by making it the better product. If we succeed there is no need to worry about one company 09:45 chris [off] it is only their customers i feel sorry for 09:44 magnus yeah, the best reaction is to show that the community is stronger and more productive than ever! 09:44 chris theres no need to worry about one hostile company 09:43 kf :) 09:43 chris we have more people than ever contributing 09:43 chris and ignore those who are trying to ruin it 09:43 magnus yay! 09:42 kf magnus: I like the activity too :) I think we must look forward and work together 09:33 magnus yeah, looks good! 09:27 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Payments_Process 09:27 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Purchase_Approvals_Process 09:25 chris ahh nope some new ones from osslabs lemme find em 09:22 magnus you're welcome! ;-) 09:21 Shiny thanks magnus 09:20 magnus Shiny: lines that start with [off] will not show up in the log http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 09:18 Shiny what's the [off] mean in your folks' chatting? 09:16 magnus probably this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/NISO_CORE_protocol i'm way behind in reading the lists these days - need to spend time on other things than koha... :-( 09:13 magnus um, what rfc? 09:13 magnus can't wait for 3.2 be done, so we can think about all the goodness that will be in 3.4 ;-) 09:13 chris good to see the new rfc too 09:12 chris yeah things are ticking along 09:10 magnus it's impressive to see all the activity on the bugs and patches lists these days! 09:07 chris [off] yeah, i just wish they would leave us alone now, im over it 09:04 magnus [off] oh well, there are better things to waste time on - looking forward to venting some late night steam during kohacon, though ;-) 09:01 chris [off] yeah they had that logo on their sign at ALA in july 09:00 magnus [off] and some kind of new logo, only on the front page - wow those pages are a mess now... 08:55 chris [off] http://www.ptfs.com/ top right 08:54 chris [off] you'll notice on their site, their new koha logo has KOHA 08:54 kf meeting now, bbl! 08:53 kf [off] strange. 08:53 chris [off] liblime did in the USA, PTFS tried to in NZ 08:53 kf hmpf. 08:52 kf [off] they trademarked the upper-case form of Koha? 08:52 chris [off] that and buying up every domain name they can think of 08:51 chris [off] KOHA is bad because thats another one of ptfs tactics, they have trademarked KOHA 08:51 kf you think KOHA is bad? I have to fight against KoHa around here 08:45 munin magnus: Quote #93: "Koha is not an acronym, so it should not be in all-capitals. Koha is a Maori word." (added by wizzyrea at 03:20 PM, September 09, 2010) 08:45 magnus @quote get 93 08:44 magnus thanks, kf 08:42 munin kf: The operation succeeded. Quote #94 added. 08:42 kf @quote add <chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe 08:41 munin magnus: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 08:41 magnus @quote add <chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe 08:35 kf chris++ :) 08:29 magnus chris++ 08:28 chris the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe 08:28 chris no problem 08:28 chris http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/4985102611/ 08:28 kf thx for your help and explaining chris 08:27 kf cool :) 08:27 chris yup, this isnt a biggy, but it will make the script execute slightly faster 08:26 kf - but perhaps it's even better now, when we fix one more thing with the patch 08:26 chris cool 08:26 kf I think chris_n wanted to take a look at that patch too - forgot to note it in my list 08:25 kf thx! 08:25 chris ill try to signoff some more tomorrow 08:25 kf ok :) 08:24 chris no worries, whenever is fine 08:24 chris ahh 08:24 kf small emergencies everywhere today 08:24 kf I can do, but perhaps in the afternoon 08:24 chris whatever you like 08:23 chris so either you can, or ill send a follow up patch removing those 2 lines 08:23 chris in Locale::Currency::Format 08:23 chris so yeah i think chris_n thought it was a bareword, but FMT_SYMBOL is actually a subroutine 08:23 kf delete those lines? 08:23 kf ok, what do you want me to do? 08:22 kf oh nice :) 08:22 chris €10,00 08:22 kf no, you don't need to 08:22 kf try EUR :) 08:22 chris $10.00 08:21 chris perl -e 'use strict; use Locale::Currency::Format; my $formatted_fine = currency_format("NZD", "10", FMT_SYMBOL); print $formatted_fine; ' 08:21 chris or the use strict 08:21 chris yeah, basically it doesnt need the no strict 08:21 kf here 08:21 chris kf: you about? 06:51 munin kf: chris was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 1 second ago: <chris> heh yeah 06:51 kf @seen chris 06:48 kf chris: still around? 06:48 kf hi magnus and hdl 06:48 ivanc hi magnus 06:47 magnus hiya ivanc, kf, hdl et al! 06:46 hdl hi chris 06:46 hdl hi 06:45 kf guten Morgen ivanc 06:44 ivanc hi kf 06:36 kf hi #koha 06:30 ivanc hi #koha 05:35 cait time to go to work - bbl :) 05:16 cait the first 2 in my list 05:15 cait :) 05:14 cait ah, wondered why you chose those 2 patches 04:32 chris heh yeah 04:30 cait learning German? :) 04:30 cait lol 04:29 chris i just wanted to say mein gott really 04:27 cait that would be really early, although I sometimes really get up at 5 04:27 cait no :) 04:27 chris ahh i thought 4.30 04:27 cait 6:30 04:27 cait distance study 04:27 richard heh 04:27 cait it's not that early 04:26 chris why are you awake? 04:26 chris mein gott 04:25 cait chris: I have the patch at my computer at work, will resend later - thx! 04:25 cait hi robin :) 04:25 robin hi cait 04:22 cait morning #koha :) 03:13 chris hiya Amit 03:13 Amit heya chris 00:48 chris_n heya chris