IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-06

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02:03 Genji hiya all.
02:03 Genji does the icuchains truncation issue still exist?
02:05 Genji using truncation 5=1, zero results. using 2=102 instead (relevance) i get 3000
02:44 casper how do I make the look of the frontend nicer.
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04:00 chris casper:
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06:20 robin anyone know what the expected exiry date for a new patron is? It's broken in head, and I'm planning on fixing it. But, fix it to what? 100 years in the future?
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06:34 robin ahh, it should work it out from the patron type.
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07:04 Ropuch Morning #koha
07:15 hdl Hi
07:20 Amit hi hdl, ropuch
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08:35 kf good morning #koha
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08:46 casper hi i just installed koha, but i can't access from port 80
08:46 casper port 8080 is fine
08:58 hdl casper: you may have to disable default apache2 server.
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09:52 chris hopefully thats another blocker fixed, i think just one left
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10:48 druthb hello, #koha
10:50 kf|mtg hi druthb
10:50 druthb :D
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11:03 gmcharlt good morning
11:08 jwagner Morning, all
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11:33 gmcharlt @quote random
11:33 munin gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 09:11 AM, May 18, 2010)
11:35 druthb @quote random
11:35 munin druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009)
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11:56 druthb g'mornin, nengard!
11:56 nengard howdy
11:56 nengard sorry i missed you yesterday
11:56 nengard was playing a game :)
11:56 nengard didn't see the chat window
11:56 druthb :)  I think I'm about the only facebook-er who doesn't ever, ever do that,.
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12:00 nengard play games or ignore chats??
12:02 druthb play games.
12:02 druthb I do, in fact, ignore chats occasionally...but only from certain people, and fairly rarely, at that.
12:03 jwagner I don't either.  And I block just about all the cutesy apps people use....
12:03 nengard jwagner i do that too - i was on a game on my computer - not facebook :)
12:03 nengard i go through phases where i play - and it's always an old game
12:03 nengard yesterday it was dungeon keeper a game i played in college ;)
12:03 * druthb loves Dungeon Keeper.
12:03 nengard :)
12:03 jwagner I never did get into computer games much.  Spider and Freecell are about it.
12:04 nengard well it crashed on me :( doesn't like new computers
12:04 druthb That narrator-voice is awesome:  "Your dungeon is damp! Install central heating."
12:04 nengard LOL
12:05 druthb "Your dungeon floor is not level; angry creatures cannot play marbles."
12:05 nengard oh boy
12:06 druthb hehe
12:08 kf|mtg :)
12:10 jwagner nengard, no joy on Bug 2434 -- I still see them.
12:10 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, REOPENED, Remove unimplemented upcoming events message
12:11 nengard did you run the update script?
12:11 jwagner Maybe sites are just going to have to delete those manually?
12:11 nengard cause it's in there there to remove them
12:11 jwagner I did a git pull -- didn't run the script manually.
12:11 nengard i promise :)
12:11 nengard when you did the pull did it prompt you to upgrade when you went to the website
12:11 jwagner Nope.
12:12 jwagner Just ran it manually.  Let's see what that did.
12:12 jwagner Nope, didn't remove them.
12:13 nengard grrrrr
12:13 nengard hang on
12:14 nengard this is in the update script:  DELETE FROM message_transports WHERE message_attribute_id=3;
12:14 nengard try to run the sql by itself
12:16 nengard maybe that's wrong in some way
12:17 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4188 Valid PDF file name when printing basket group with no name <[…]424e0c0a20f711adb> / Bug 2725: Fixes uppercasesurnames preference. <[…]7a0e9f1bc0e18ec3d>
12:20 nengard k time tod o training
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12:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4139: set DBrev to 143 <[…]4cfca8c1dd58313f1> / Bug 4139 - Adding some indexes to deal with a performance issue with overdue reports <[…]6051830a739d45783>
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12:44 owen Hi #koha
12:45 druthb hi, owen!
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13:05 jcamins_a Good morning, #koha
13:05 jwagner Morning
13:05 Nate morning!
13:05 Nate @wunder 06516
13:06 munin Nate: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 30.2�C (9:09 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening...
13:06 Nate ugh
13:06 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:06 jcamins @wunder 11105
13:06 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 33.3�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday...
13:07 jcamins Oh, lucky me. It's *even hotter* in Astoria.
13:07 Nate crank that AC!
13:07 jcamins Stay in my climate controlled office until the security guard throws me out1
13:08 Nate :)
13:08 jcamins That was supposed to be an exclamation mark, not a '1'.
13:09 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:09 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 31.7�C (9:19 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday...
13:10 jwagner We have Code Red air quality alerts -- I'm working from home rather than trying to breathe the smog soup....
13:12 jcamins Probably wise.
13:12 Nate smog soup... yummy
13:12 owen @wunder 45701
13:12 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 27.2�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising).
13:12 Nate can I please have the waiter crush some harmful particulates over my smog soup?
13:12 druthb my allergies are kicking up big-time today; probably the smog soup.
13:13 owen Always nice not to have anything *bold* in my weather report
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13:16 VP Hi
13:16 owen Hi VP
13:17 VP Just had a Workshop on KOHA and DSpace
13:18 VP Will be requesting ur help in future
13:18 VP Thanks.
13:18 jwagner VP, no problem, ask away :-)
13:18 * owen pictures giving Koha help in the year 3000
13:19 jwagner There's an SF club I know of which allegedly has it in the charter that Death Does Not Release members from obligations.
13:20 owen They should also have a rule that says if time travel becomes possible club members must return to the past to let everyone know.
13:20 jwagner Hmmm.  Haven't heard if that one's in the charter, but it would be a good one.
13:21 VP Really glad to see the way u are offering support. Thanks and good bye.
13:22 owen The trouble is, the time-traveling future might be so great no one wants to go back to now
13:22 jwagner Nah, there will always be something to complain about.  And things will always have been better in The Good Old Days.
13:22 druthb since I have not walked into my office to talk to me about it yet..
13:23 * druthb stubs her toe on a paradox.
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13:24 * druthb raises an eyebrow.
13:26 sekjal morning, #koha
13:27 druthb hi, sekjal!
13:27 sekjal hi, druthb!
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13:28 owen_3000 I bring you a warning from the year 3000!
13:28 * owen stares aghast at the harrowing vision of owen_3000
13:28 druthb (!)
13:28 druthb (!!)
13:29 owen_3000 In the year 2785 all Koha installations in the world will grow together into one sentient super-organism!
13:29 owen_3000 You'll destroy us all!
13:29 druthb oh, is that all?
13:30 druthb Gosh, and I thought there was *bad*, you know, a functional SirsiDynix release or something.
13:30 * owen_3000 falls to his knees and shouts, "You bastards! You blew it up!"
13:30 * owen_3000 Damn you all to hell!
13:30 * owen_3000 dies
13:30 gmcharlt owen_3000: that could be messy - does the Koha super-organism have diplomatic relations with the Evergreen super-consortium?
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13:30 gmcharlt ah, too late
13:31 owen Horrible. I'm going to quit my job and go into the printed card catalog business
13:31 druthb poor future-owen.
13:32 druthb But look at it this way, owen--you'll live a long time!
13:32 owen Good point.
13:32 owen Unless owen_3000 was a recreation of present owen based on Koha IRC logs
13:33 druthb plan to retire at 65, and let your descendants support you for the next 900-ish years.
13:34 druthb No, definitely beamed in from the future.  Present-owen isn't a raving maniac like that.
13:35 owen Yeah, reconstituted-from-IRC-logs owen would be totally onboard with the Koha world organism.
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13:39 wizzyrea ...
13:40 wizzyrea don't you just love it when you walk into a conversation like that
13:40 druthb g'morning, wizzyrea.
13:40 wizzyrea good mornin druthb
13:40 jwagner Just your normal time-traveling morning on the IRC, wizzyrea.
13:40 wizzyrea I'm hoping everyone had a lovely 3 day weekend
13:40 wizzyrea well, US'ian
13:40 wizzyrea s
13:41 jcamins Good morning, wizzyrea.
13:41 jcamins I'm glad to see you didn't melt over your lovely 3 day weekend.
13:44 wizzyrea couldn't have if I'd tried, it was rainy and cool
13:44 wizzyrea :D
13:44 wizzyrea perfect 4th weather, imo
13:44 * jcamins didn't realize that melted people could type, but here he is, oozing proof to the contrary. :)
13:44 wizzyrea ...unless you're referring to the wizard of oz
13:44 jcamins No, the weather.
13:45 wizzyrea oh good
13:45 wizzyrea (meaning the wicked witch of the west melts when doused with water)
13:45 jcamins Right, but the Wizard doesn't melt.
13:45 wizzyrea aha, I see what you did there
13:47 jcamins wizzyrea: Is the preferred naming convention on the wiki something like "Koha on FreeBSD" or "FreeBSD"?
13:47 jcamins[…]i/Koha_on_FreeBSD
13:48 jcamins That's what I have now, but I want to make sure I do it right.
13:48 jcamins Hm. Slight formatting problem there.
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13:50 wizzyrea I think it used to be Installing_Koha_on_xxx or Installing_Koha-xxx
13:50 wizzyrea I would probably prefer the 2nd: installing_koha-xxx
13:50 wizzyrea where xxx is the distro/OS
13:51 wizzyrea I don't actually see any others
13:51 jcamins They're now all under "Koha on xxx" or "xxx"
13:52 jcamins But we could change them to "Installing Koha-FreeBSD"
13:52 jcamins I would think.
13:52 wizzyrea you're right
13:52 wizzyrea just do koha on xxx
13:52 wizzyrea but that's dumb, i had to search to find them
13:52 wizzyrea and that shouldn't be
13:52 wizzyrea so
13:52 wizzyrea imma look into that
13:53 wizzyrea oh I see now, but wow that is not obvious
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13:56 owen I'm surprised we don't have a "save as new" option when editing items
13:57 jcamins It would be a very useful feature.
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14:06 wizzyrea that's in 3.2 I think
14:06 wizzyrea or, duplicate this item
14:06 owen Yeah, that's only when adding
14:06 wizzyrea which might not be *exactly* the samet hing
14:07 owen You can't click to edit something and then say "Save these changes as a new item"
14:07 wizzyrea ahh I see
14:14 wizzyrea I did not realize koha allowed this "Enter a summary that will overwrite the default one in search results lists. Example, for a website itemtype :
14:14 wizzyrea <a href="[856u]">open site</a> will show the link just below the title"
14:14 wizzyrea very cool. I'm sure you all knew this but I just discovered it.
14:15 wizzyrea can you do that with any marc subfield? bracket it and it will show what's in there?
14:16 wizzyrea and if so, why aren't we using a similar mechanic to customize search results and detail pages? (or maybe it doesn't work that way)
14:17 jwagner wizzyrea, I always assumed that only applied to URLs.  Not that I've ever tested it otherwise.
14:17 jcamins wizzyrea: I think that only works if you don't use XSLT.
14:18 wizzyrea hrm
14:18 jcamins I may be wrong.
14:18 jcamins I'd like to be wrong.
14:18 kf|mtg jcamins: I think oyu could be right
14:19 jwagner I think you're right, jcamins -- it's a syspref, and XSLT didn't read sysprefs until we added a few into the code.  That wasn't one of them.
14:19 jwagner There's no mechanism in the XSLT files to use that substitution either.
14:20 jcamins That might be a useful feature.
14:21 kf|mtg is now known as kf
14:21 kf ah, back to normal
14:21 jcamins On the subject of XSLT, would anyone other than me find the ability to configure multiple XSLT stylesheets useful?
14:21 wizzyrea ^^ I would
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14:22 owen Based on what?
14:22 wizzyrea hey davi
14:22 jcamins I was thinking of a syspref.
14:22 jwagner I've been wanting to be able to use remotely-stored XSLT for a while.
14:22 jcamins I need to interface Koha with my catalog generator, and I'd kind of like to do it right.
14:23 davi hi wizzyrea
14:23 davi rebooting
14:27 owen jwagner: I thought someone recently added the option to specify a URL for an XSL file
14:27 jcamins The part that leaves me kind of baffled is how to allow users to specify in a syspref the number of tabs they want.
14:28 owen jcamins: So you want to offer multiple views of the same record?
14:28 jcamins Right.
14:28 jwagner owen, BibLibre has something in the works; don't think it's been pushed yet.
14:29 jcamins Not only would it put me that much closer to interfacing with cataloggen ( ), several of our patrons here have asked for something along those lines.
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14:52 CGI627 gmcharlt, you helped me Friday with a problem I was having of not being able to view Korean text when uploading records in koha
14:52 gmcharlt hi CGI627
14:53 gmcharlt did it work?
14:53 CGI627 Not quite yet...
14:53 CGI627 I input the mysql command to set the encoding to EUC-KR...
14:54 CGI627 and then I upgraded the Perl module called Text:Iconv
14:54 kf bye all
14:54 gmcharlt on the command line, run
14:54 gmcharlt iconv -l|grep EUC-KR
14:54 gmcharlt and see if it turns up a result
14:55 CGI627 I'll do it...just a minute or so
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14:57 wizzyrea owen: I just closed 3265, in my tests it's working just right.
14:57 wizzyrea which means 3781 is probably also closeable
14:58 CGI627 We are updating Koha and then we will try what you said, gmcharlt
14:58 owen wizzyrea: How did you know I was just looking at those bugs?
14:58 gmcharlt ok
14:58 wizzyrea I'm PSYCHIC.
14:58 wizzyrea (no, mickey sent me mail saying you had commented)
14:58 wizzyrea ;)
14:59 owen I'm going to close 3781 as well
14:59 wizzyrea too slow!
14:59 CGI627 We will log back into this chat forum if we need more help.  Thanks!
14:59 wizzyrea 627: the official koha website is
14:59 wizzyrea just fyi
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15:00 wizzyrea (that is to say, I have already closed it)
15:00 owen Oh okay
15:00 wizzyrea sorry to deprive you of that small pleasure :)
15:01 wizzyrea I don't really understand what he's saying here:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3801
15:01 munin Bug 3801: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Cannot add item type, due to renewalsallowed deletion
15:02 owen Sounds like the renewalsallowed column was removed from the database and new item types couldn't be added?
15:02 gmcharlt that's what happened
15:03 gmcharlt but as far as I can tell, that bug is closeable
15:03 wizzyrea ok cool. Owen, do you want to do the honors?
15:03 wizzyrea :D
15:03 wizzyrea since I stole yours
15:03 wizzyrea (yea, I was just able to add an itype)
15:03 owen Oh no, please go ahead :)
15:03 wizzyrea and use said itype
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15:14 owen I don't understand what this patch does for Bug 3786: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/010462.html
15:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3786 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Via items edition, cannot go to ISBD/MARC views
15:17 wizzyrea I think he means that the tabs for ISBD/MARC view don't work when on
15:18 owen If that's the case I don't get what the patch does for that problem
15:31 owen ...but it works as advertised.
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15:38 zevlag I upgraded from Debian 4.0 to 5.0 and now koha is giving me this error when I visit the web:
15:43 jcamins zevlag: It looks to make like you may have upgraded to a different version of Perl as part of the upgrade.
15:43 jcamins *It looks to me
15:44 zevlag yes, that may have happened, do I need to downgrade, set a default, or just install the modules again?
15:44 jcamins I would try reinstalling the modules.
15:45 jcamins Just to check exactly what's going on, though, you might want to run perl --version
15:46 zevlag jcamins: 5.10.0
15:46 jcamins Okay. Then, yeah, try reinstalling the modules.
15:47 zevlag is there a list of which module koha needs somewhere? or should I just install/refresh until it doesn't complain anymore?
15:47 jcamins What version of Koha do you have?
15:49 zevlag
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15:49 jcamins Same version we have, then. There's a list of dependencies in kohaclone/debian/control
15:50 jcamins I don't actually know much about using Debian, but hopefully you know how to reinstall packages.
15:50 zevlag yep, that I can do
15:50 zevlag Working on it now
15:50 owen Ugh. Staff client detail page not showing whether an item is on hold. :(
15:50 CGI753 gmcharlt, so we have been trying to get the Korean text to work
15:50 CGI753 So far, no dice.
15:51 gmcharlt did you try running the iconv command I posted to see if EUC-KR is supported by your local system's iconv?
15:52 CGI753 Yes, we ran the iconv command but we still could not see Korean
15:52 gmcharlt what Linux distribution are you using?
15:52 CGI753 I know the command line step worked because my z3950 search shows that the encoding has been changed to EUC-KR
15:53 gmcharlt right, but what does
15:53 gmcharlt iconv -l | grep EUC-KR
15:53 gmcharlt show you?
15:53 CGI753 I am going to do that right now.  What should it show me?
15:53 gmcharlt it should print "EUC-KR" if that's supported by your local iconv
15:53 CGI753 Ok, I'll try it
15:55 CGI753 Before I do that, the problem we are having is that after we upgraded the Perl module like you said, we updated Koha and now Koha seems to be stuck
15:56 CGI753 It seems to be stuck at the git phase
15:57 zevlag jcamins: ok, now I'm getting this:
15:57 CGI753 Should we just stop the update?
15:57 gmcharlt CGI753: what git phase?  the git fetch?
15:57 * owen must be remembering a time long ago when the staff client showed hold status on the detail page
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15:58 cait hi all
15:58 pianohack zevlag: You probably need to update either DBD::mysql (perl-dbd-mysql) or CGI::Session::Driver::mysql
15:59 jcamins zevlag: Also CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml
16:00 jcamins Hi cait
16:00 cait hi jcamins
16:00 jcamins cait: Did you ever get your hold problem figured out?
16:00 zevlag yaml
16:00 cait was too tired yesterday :(
16:00 zevlag ops wrong window
16:01 cait and forgot the print out of my configuration at work, will try again later
16:01 * zevlag switches to other console
16:01 cait but some other problems on the todo list too
16:01 CGI753 looks like the update finished so we will try it again...
16:02 jcamins cait: Yes, there seems to be an endless supply of problems. :(
16:02 jcamins But I guess that's why we're still employed. :)
16:02 cait you are really an optimist :)
16:04 jcamins I'm not an optimist, but I play one on IRC.
16:04 cait does it help?
16:05 CGI753 We put in the command.
16:05 jcamins Well, I'm still not an optimist. ;)
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16:06 CGI753 It says EUC-KR//
16:08 CGI753 GMCHARLT, still no go.
16:09 gmcharlt CGI753: could you paste the results of running select name, host, encoding from z3950servers; from the mysql prompt?
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16:12 picmoon Hi, would anyone recommend the Koha LiveCD?
16:13 CGI753 gmcharlt, sorry, but what is the syntax for doing that?
16:13 CGI753 I am at the mysql prompt.
16:13 gmcharlt CGI753: start a mysql session (same as you did for changing the encoding)
16:13 gmcharlt then from the prompt, do
16:14 gmcharlt select name, host, encoding from z3950servers;
16:14 CGI753 gmcharlt, thanks.
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16:18 CGI753 it does say EUC-KR by
16:19 CGI753 by the way, we are using Koha version
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16:21 CGI753 We updated Text:Iconv to 1.7
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16:28 CGI753 gmcharlt, you've been a ton of help.  Thank you.  Is there anything else that you think we should do so that we can get the Korean text to show up?
16:29 gmcharlt CGI753: you may find some useful messages regarding text::iconv  or iconv in the apache error logs that may give you additional clues
16:30 CGI753 How do I go about finding those?
16:30 jcamins zevlag: Any luck?
16:31 owen Am I to understand from Bug 4290 that a Z39.50 search by Author is doing a keyword search?
16:31 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4290 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, search for author in repository
16:31 owen Oh no it's a search of imported records?
16:32 rhcl speaking of Korean, if anybody ever has a need to implement SKATS in Koha I could probably help out.
16:32 rhcl
16:32 rhcl[…]e/Korean/
16:33 CGI753 gmcharlt, thanks for the help.  I'm going to get lunch and then try to look through the apache error logs.  If/when I get stuck again, I'll come back to the chat forum.  Thanks again!
16:33 gmcharlt you're welcome
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16:46 zevlag jcamins, pianohack, thanks for the help, all is back and running well. I followed your pointers, and just went through the direction in the install.debian-lenny file
16:50 jcamins Good.
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16:52 zevlag Just testing upgrade paths, I've recently started here, and inherited 5 koha servers, which haven't been maintained well
16:52 jcamins Oh, what fun.
16:52 zevlag is there a preferred distro for Koha? what are most deevelopers testing on?
16:53 jcamins A lot of people use Debian.
16:54 jcamins I can't recommend FreeBSD, although it will work, after a fashion.
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16:57 wizzyrea most use debian or ubuntu
16:59 zevlag ok, I just find maintaining an enviroment that more are using, makes it more stable, and easier for support
17:04 wizzyrea ^^ agreed
17:04 jcamins Definitely.
17:06 owen We're down to 36 patch-sent bugs with an unspecified Koha version
17:06 owen if you want to play along
17:12 wizzyrea I wonder if the fix for[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4319 also fixes the display in the opac
17:13 munin Bug 4319: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, waiting items cannot be reserved
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17:39 owen Hi nengard
17:42 nengard hi and bye owen - doing koha training
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17:56 chris morning
17:56 sekjal morning, chris
17:56 jwagner Morning, chris
17:56 wizzyrea mornin
17:56 jcamins Hello.
17:58 chris http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]-July/003083.html  <-- we should do
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18:26 owen As long as the KUDOS site is it can't be considered independent from PTFS
18:26 owen I'm just not sure anyone at KUDOS cares
18:27 jwagner owen and chris, I know this was discussed at the ALA meeting, but I wasn't at that meeting.  schuster would know current status
18:28 owen KUDOS doesn't really hear any other voices than those which are at ALA meetings. I think that is unfortunate.
18:32 sekjal owen: I was there, too, and we're looking to widen the pool of voices
18:32 sekjal it's been limited to the sites where we've had the in-person meetings so far
18:32 sekjal there's a whole chicken-and-egg thing with membership dues and non-profit status
18:33 jcamins owen: Unfortunately, that seems to be fairly typical for ALA-connected groups.
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18:40 owen Does anyone recall if there is an existing bug report for the patron search defaulting to a current-branch limit?
18:41 cait owen: I think no, we discussed it on IRC, but saw no bug
18:46 jcamins Do 880s somehow interfere with searching? I have a record with Arabic 880s, and I cannot pull up the record with keyword searching.
18:46 owen Bug 4945
18:46 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library
18:48 cait jcamins: are you sure they are indexed?
18:48 jcamins Yeah, because if I search the isbn it works.
18:48 cait jcamins: I mean the 880 fields :)
18:48 jcamins I'm trying to search on the transliteration.
18:49 wizzyrea yea, I think I noted that one before too, and saw kyle's bug
18:49 jcamins This link might take you directly to the record:[…]blionumber=146879
18:50 chris it does
18:50 jcamins The problem I have is that if I search for Ramadan (with or without the vocalization), I get no results.
18:51 chris interesting, i dont see any 880s for that?
18:52 jcamins Oh, the external server must have been cloned before I added 880s.
18:53 jcamins That's going to make troubleshooting really difficult.
18:53 jwagner I searched on  Ramad?a�n, (with the diacritics) and it pulled up 5 records including that one
18:54 cait jcamins: you might need icu to search for arabic. we needed for hebrew. before icu a search with hebrew characters resulted in all hebrew records, with and without the search term
18:54 jcamins jwagner: Interesting. So it must be something with the internal server.
18:55 jcamins I think this is a post-transfer-to-ByWater problem.
18:56 jcamins Thanks for trying this out. I'm going to speculate that the problem has something to do with ICU and 880s, since the same search worked on the pre-880 record.
19:01 chris yeah[…]a%E1%B8%8D%C4%81n works fine
19:02 jcamins If only I knew what was on that server.
19:02 chris yeah you probably want the zebra config files to compaer
19:04 cait 880--
19:05 cait still trying to find out why one record from LOC is not displaying correctly :(
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19:06 chris RDA will fix that
19:06 * chris dies laughing
19:06 cait :D
19:06 jcamins Oh, we should have asked owen_3000 about it!
19:07 wizzyrea HAHAHA
19:07 cait :)
19:07 jcamins We could have found out what a world on the verge of RDA will be like.
19:08 chris i think the pay to play aspect of it is gonna kill it dead for most of the world, at least the developing world
19:08 jcamins Certainly we're not considering adopting it.
19:08 cait bug 3164
19:08 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode
19:09 jcamins And we're in the developed world. Over-developed world, even. :)
19:09 chris :)
19:09 cait there are workshops about rda, but dont know what the status is
19:09 wizzyrea jcamins: I like your insinuation that RDA will be *almost* ready for adoption in the year 3k. Classy.
19:09 chris take away our playstations and we are a third world nation
19:09 gmcharlt raises the question of what the 1000-year-old RDA committee would look like
19:09 jcamins My cataloging professor is on the record as saying he hopes he's retired -- or dead -- before RDA is implemented.
19:10 * chris takes any opportunity to quote ani difranco
19:13 chris jcamins: its certainly gonna be a messy thing
19:13 chris you know y2k made a whole lot of people wealthy
19:13 chris RDA is the library world equivalent i reckon
19:13 chris there are gonna be RDA consultants charging stupid amounts of money for training
19:14 * chris quits his job and becomes an RDA consultant
19:14 * jcamins thinks chris has the right idea
19:15 jcamins Is there a reason that bug 3811 hasn't been patched?
19:15 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3811 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, biblios record.abs indexes 008 language as numeric (marc21)
19:15 chris hmm probably not a good one :)
19:15 jcamins Fair enough.
19:15 jcamins I'll test that this actually fixes the problem, then follow with a patch.
19:16 chris i think because its classed as minor its probably fallen off most ppls radars, i spend most of my time looking at blockers,crits and majors
19:16 jcamins I wonder why it was marked as minor.
19:16 jcamins That completely breaks language limits, as far as I can tell.
19:17 owen I've seen several bugs marked as enhancements which were clearly not.
19:17 chris i blame anglocentrism :-)
19:17 chris but far more likely, someone just picked the wrong severity
19:17 wizzyrea oh, I can explain how that happens
19:17 chris thats why for 3.4 we have bug wranglers
19:18 wizzyrea see
19:18 wizzyrea a certain vendor called every piece of development "enhancement"
19:18 cait speaking of severit ... bug 3164 ...
19:18 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode
19:18 wizzyrea so even if it was a true bug
19:18 chris ahhh
19:18 wizzyrea if a client of their reported it
19:18 wizzyrea they would naturally mark it "enhancement" because
19:18 wizzyrea that's what they were told all work was
19:18 wizzyrea they being the client, not the vendor
19:19 jcamins Ooh.
19:19 jwagner If I'm remembering correctly, "enhancement" was the default in the bugzilla setup. I'll bet a lot of us didn't notice or didn't bother to change it.
19:19 chris ah yeah, thats so you can charge for that
19:19 jcamins If I change everything I patched to "enhancement," will money fall out of the cloud into my lap?
19:19 cait :)
19:20 wizzyrea well I can say that NEKLS made it clear we'd be willing to pay for enhancements. Getting someone to take our money, however.... has lately been more of a challenge.
19:20 cait that would be a nice feature, file an enhancement bug for it ;)
19:20 chris if you tell your clients everything is an enhancment they have to pay for ....
19:20 wizzyrea where enhancements = bug fixes
19:20 chris anyway, back to bug wranglers
19:20 chris we have 3 of them
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19:20 wizzyrea sorry to derail
19:20 chris and we could have more
19:20 jcamins It's an interesting piece of Koha history.
19:21 cait chris: what a bug wrangler supposed to do?
19:21 chris keep an eye on bugzilla, change bugs to appropriate severity, status if needed
19:21 chris bug ppl to test and close
19:21 chris bug ppl to make better bug reports
19:21 jwagner I think druthb volunteered at one point; not sure if that offer is still open.
19:22 jcamins If I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -r, will it immediately clear the index, or will it only clear the index after shadow indexing is completed.
19:22 chris the latter jcamins
19:22 jcamins Excellent! Thanks.
19:22 chris actually wait
19:22 chris try it somewhere first
19:22 jcamins Hrm.
19:22 chris i *think* it will do that but im not absolutely sure
19:22 jcamins I'll run it overnight.
19:22 chris i think the commit is the last bit
19:23 jwagner @wunder 20740
19:23 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 38.0�C (3:32 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday...
19:23 cait 38??
19:23 jcamins Ick.
19:23 jcamins That's hot.
19:23 jwagner *whimper* I have to leave my nice cool house & head out for an appointment.  See you tomorrow, if I survive....
19:23 jcamins @wunder 11105
19:23 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 38.9�C (3:30 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday...
19:23 chris cait: also bug ppl the bugs are assigned to, if they havent been worked on in a while to see if there is someone better to assign it to
19:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.2�C (9:33 PM CEST on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
19:24 jwagner cait, can I come visit you real quick?
19:24 chris[…]ki/Koha_3.4_Roles
19:24 cait sure :)
19:24 jcamins I was really hoping it would be cooler in Astoria than in MD.
19:24 chris jesse, hdl, and calyx .. but as i say, anyone who volunteers can do it :)
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19:24 cait you you need to be an official bug wrangler to bug people? :)
19:25 chris
19:25 chris well, it gives you a slightly little bit more authority :)
19:25 chris and you get your name in the credits
19:26 chris do it!!! :)
19:26 hdl hi chris ?
19:26 chris just telling people who the bug wranglers for 3.4 are
19:26 chris well 3.4 and 3.2.x
19:26 cait bugging people is no problem, but this is perhaps a topic for the dev meeting?
19:26 cait my calendar told me there is one tomorrow?
19:27 jcamins Really?
19:27 chris yep we can talk about it then, but really its a role that anyone who wants to do, can do
19:27 chris basically the aim is to make sure bugs are actioned and not forgotten about
19:28 jcamins cait: Where did you find out about the meeting?
19:28 cait i think I put it in my calendar after the last meeting
19:29 chris well 3.4 and 3.2.x
19:29 chris ack
19:29 chris
19:29 chris we need an agenda, if you want to put that on it cait :)
19:29 gmcharlt copy of last meeting's agenda should do it
19:30 * chris has to go make kahu a sandwich brb
19:30 cait forgot my password :(
19:31 cait ok, fount it, will add agenda
19:32 cait keep agpl, linkback from vendors on agenda?
19:33 cait resolved?
19:33 gmcharlt I'd say not - thd-away and/or slef can add agpl if they want to dicuss it
19:33 gmcharlt yep, info@ is resolved
19:34 cait Anti-privatisation requirement?
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19:37 gmcharlt no, that's been discussed
19:37 cait so the agenda is:
19:37 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.2]].
19:37 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.0]].
19:37 cait # Follow-up on actions from [[General IRC Meeting, 2 June 2010]].
19:37 cait # Agree times of next meetings.
19:38 gmcharlt yep
19:38 gmcharlt chris: ^^ want to start adding 3.4 as a standing agenda item?
19:39 jcamins Looks like -r causes the index to be reset first.
19:40 jcamins (that is, rebuild_zebra -r... earlier I had asked if the reset was before or after the indexing process)
19:40 chris Sounds good
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19:41 jcamins gmcharlt: What do you think of bug 4940?
19:41 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4940 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, NEW, Koha should include sample rc.d script(s) for *BSD
19:41 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.4]].?
19:42 jcamins Can that be added to 3.2? I don't know how else to make it available, and it's necessary if anyone wants to run Koha on FreeBSD.
19:42 gmcharlt cait: yes
19:42 cait done
19:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, that's what contrib is for as well; that said I've no objections to including it, although I don't want to start a precedent of having a subdirectory for every OS
19:43 gmcharlt I suggest sticking the freebsd directory under install_misc for now
19:43 jcamins Sure.
19:43 cait gmcharlt: any more ideas about 4904?
19:44 cait bug 4904
19:44 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices
19:44 gmcharlt cait: looks like double-encoding, I'll see if I can reproduce
19:45 cait gmcharlt: thx - it's strange nobody else has this problem :( I tried to understand the perl module for fines formatting and got the impressions it returns utf-8 as default
19:46 jcamins I will submit a patch with the rc.d script when I'm at one of my computers with that branch.
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19:57 cait gmcharlt: bug 4938 - I tested with other records and it works fine. It seems to be a problem with one specific record (I have no idea why). Which status can I set the bug to? WONTFIX? INVALID?
19:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4938 major, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Problem with correct detection of RTL script in 880 field
19:57 chris Right on the bus now
19:57 hdl cait: very few fernch library are using fines in fact.
19:57 gmcharlt cait: INVALID
19:58 cait gmcharlt: thx
19:59 cait hdl: I think all German libraries do
19:59 cait hdl: to make it worse, I think all academic libraries to it the same way, which koha does not support right now
20:00 cait to = do
20:00 * cait tired
20:00 hdl which one ?
20:00 cait different fine levels
20:01 cait 1.50 first notice, 4.50 second notice. 10.00 third
20:01 cait the notices are sent, when the fine is set, listing all items with fines on that level
20:02 cait and grace period is also a problem at the moment, I filed a bug for that
20:02 cait we have weekly fine intervals
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20:05 cait hi nengard
20:05 nengard howdy
20:06 chris Hi nengard
20:07 nengard double howdy
20:07 cait hdl: not sure I answered your question :)
20:08 hdl hi nengard
20:08 nengard blanket hello back to everyone :)
20:08 nengard how goes it?
20:09 cait ok, getting late - bye all :)
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20:10 hdl nengard: good. A library went live today.
20:11 hdl
20:12 nengard nice
20:13 gmcharlt hdl++
20:14 hdl we had another one two months ago :
20:14 hdl we are doing quite a number of test in order to improve the OPAC responsivity.
20:15 hdl And we are using Plack for that.
20:15 hdl I am also still working on 3.0 to 3.2 update..
20:16 hdl I will post something on the wiki about that.
20:17 hdl nengard: is there a place where this could belong ?
20:17 hdl gmcharlt: thanks.
20:19 hdl we are having some big problems with great number of items (More than 500 hundreds) And this is really making display and research of date owed to the usmarc (rather iso2709) limitation
20:23 jcamins hdl: Is that dropdown when you click on a subject on a detailed record a BibLibre customization?
20:24 hdl well it is in our master. We hope it will get into 3.4
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20:25 richard hi
20:25 hdl hi richard
20:26 richard hi hdl
20:26 jcamins It's really nice. I don't think I'd ever looked at a BibLibre installation before.
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20:32 nengard hdl sorry was reading emails - i'd put in the installation category i guess ... but it's pretty easy to put it in multiple places
20:33 hdl nengard: it is not really installation, I would place it under mod_perl... or performance enhancement.
20:33 hdl But it is also asking questions.
20:34 nengard so under dev?
20:34 nengard not sure - feel free to make a new category :)
20:37 hdl thanks.
20:38 hdl I thought the performance tweaking post I saw on koha list would be published on the wiki. has it been done yet ?
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20:48 nengard not that i've seen - but i've been a bit out of the loop with all the travel recently
20:56 jcamins Does anyone know if the Koha package will work on 64bit Debian?
20:56 chris yep
20:56 chris http://debian.koha-community.o[…]squeeze-dev/main/
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21:09 jcamins deb squeeze-dev main
21:09 jcamins Whoops, sorry, wrong window.
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21:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.2�C (2:40 PM PDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
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