Time Nick Message 21:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.2�C (2:40 PM PDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 21:34 brendan @wunder 93117 21:09 jcamins Whoops, sorry, wrong window. 21:09 jcamins deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main 20:56 chris http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeeze-dev/main/ 20:56 chris yep 20:56 jcamins Does anyone know if the Koha package will work on 64bit Debian? 20:48 nengard not that i've seen - but i've been a bit out of the loop with all the travel recently 20:38 hdl I thought the performance tweaking post I saw on koha list would be published on the wiki. has it been done yet ? 20:37 hdl thanks. 20:34 nengard not sure - feel free to make a new category :) 20:34 nengard so under dev? 20:33 hdl But it is also asking questions. 20:33 hdl nengard: it is not really installation, I would place it under mod_perl... or performance enhancement. 20:32 nengard hdl sorry was reading emails - i'd put in the installation category i guess ... but it's pretty easy to put it in multiple places 20:26 jcamins It's really nice. I don't think I'd ever looked at a BibLibre installation before. 20:26 richard hi hdl 20:25 hdl hi richard 20:25 richard hi 20:24 hdl well it is in our master. We hope it will get into 3.4 20:23 jcamins hdl: Is that dropdown when you click on a subject on a detailed record a BibLibre customization? 20:19 hdl we are having some big problems with great number of items (More than 500 hundreds) And this is really making display and research of date owed to the usmarc (rather iso2709) limitation 20:17 hdl gmcharlt: thanks. 20:17 hdl nengard: is there a place where this could belong ? 20:16 hdl I will post something on the wiki about that. 20:15 hdl I am also still working on 3.0 to 3.2 update.. 20:15 hdl And we are using Plack for that. 20:14 hdl we are doing quite a number of test in order to improve the OPAC responsivity. 20:14 hdl we had another one two months ago : https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/ 20:13 gmcharlt hdl++ 20:12 nengard nice 20:11 hdl http://cat-bib.nimes.fr/ 20:10 hdl nengard: good. A library went live today. 20:09 cait ok, getting late - bye all :) 20:08 nengard how goes it? 20:08 nengard blanket hello back to everyone :) 20:08 hdl hi nengard 20:07 cait hdl: not sure I answered your question :) 20:07 nengard double howdy 20:06 chris Hi nengard 20:05 nengard howdy 20:05 cait hi nengard 20:02 cait we have weekly fine intervals 20:02 cait and grace period is also a problem at the moment, I filed a bug for that 20:01 cait the notices are sent, when the fine is set, listing all items with fines on that level 20:01 cait 1.50 first notice, 4.50 second notice. 10.00 third 20:00 cait different fine levels 20:00 hdl which one ? 20:00 * cait tired 20:00 cait to = do 19:59 cait hdl: to make it worse, I think all academic libraries to it the same way, which koha does not support right now 19:59 cait hdl: I think all German libraries do 19:58 cait gmcharlt: thx 19:57 gmcharlt cait: INVALID 19:57 hdl cait: very few fernch library are using fines in fact. 19:57 chris Right on the bus now 19:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4938 major, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Problem with correct detection of RTL script in 880 field 19:57 cait gmcharlt: bug 4938 - I tested with other records and it works fine. It seems to be a problem with one specific record (I have no idea why). Which status can I set the bug to? WONTFIX? INVALID? 19:46 jcamins I will submit a patch with the rc.d script when I'm at one of my computers with that branch. 19:45 cait gmcharlt: thx - it's strange nobody else has this problem :( I tried to understand the perl module for fines formatting and got the impressions it returns utf-8 as default 19:44 gmcharlt cait: looks like double-encoding, I'll see if I can reproduce 19:44 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices 19:44 cait bug 4904 19:43 cait gmcharlt: any more ideas about 4904? 19:43 jcamins Sure. 19:43 gmcharlt I suggest sticking the freebsd directory under install_misc for now 19:43 gmcharlt jcamins: well, that's what contrib is for as well; that said I've no objections to including it, although I don't want to start a precedent of having a subdirectory for every OS 19:42 cait done 19:42 gmcharlt cait: yes 19:42 jcamins Can that be added to 3.2? I don't know how else to make it available, and it's necessary if anyone wants to run Koha on FreeBSD. 19:41 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.4]].? 19:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4940 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, NEW, Koha should include sample rc.d script(s) for *BSD 19:41 jcamins gmcharlt: What do you think of bug 4940? 19:40 chris Sounds good 19:40 jcamins (that is, rebuild_zebra -r... earlier I had asked if the reset was before or after the indexing process) 19:39 jcamins Looks like -r causes the index to be reset first. 19:38 gmcharlt chris: ^^ want to start adding 3.4 as a standing agenda item? 19:38 gmcharlt yep 19:37 cait # Agree times of next meetings. 19:37 cait # Follow-up on actions from [[General IRC Meeting, 2 June 2010]]. 19:37 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.0]]. 19:37 cait # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.2]]. 19:37 cait so the agenda is: 19:37 gmcharlt no, that's been discussed 19:34 cait Anti-privatisation requirement? 19:33 gmcharlt yep, info@ is resolved 19:33 gmcharlt I'd say not - thd-away and/or slef can add agpl if they want to dicuss it 19:33 cait info@koha.org resolved? 19:32 cait keep agpl, linkback from vendors on agenda? 19:31 cait ok, fount it, will add agenda 19:30 cait forgot my password :( 19:30 * chris has to go make kahu a sandwich brb 19:29 gmcharlt copy of last meeting's agenda should do it 19:29 chris we need an agenda, if you want to put that on it cait :) 19:29 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 19:29 chris ack 19:29 chris well 3.4 and 3.2.xhttp://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 19:28 cait i think I put it in my calendar after the last meeting 19:28 jcamins cait: Where did you find out about the meeting? 19:27 chris basically the aim is to make sure bugs are actioned and not forgotten about 19:27 chris yep we can talk about it then, but really its a role that anyone who wants to do, can do 19:27 jcamins Really? 19:26 cait my calendar told me there is one tomorrow? 19:26 cait bugging people is no problem, but this is perhaps a topic for the dev meeting? 19:26 chris well 3.4 and 3.2.x 19:26 chris just telling people who the bug wranglers for 3.4 are 19:26 hdl hi chris ? 19:26 chris do it!!! :) 19:25 chris and you get your name in the credits 19:25 chris well, it gives you a slightly little bit more authority :) 19:25 chris http://koha-community.org/about/release-teams/ 19:24 cait you you need to be an official bug wrangler to bug people? :) 19:24 chris jesse, hdl, and calyx .. but as i say, anyone who volunteers can do it :) 19:24 jcamins I was really hoping it would be cooler in Astoria than in MD. 19:24 cait sure :) 19:24 chris http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_Roles 19:24 jwagner cait, can I come visit you real quick? 19:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.2�C (9:33 PM CEST on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady). 19:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:23 chris cait: also bug ppl the bugs are assigned to, if they havent been worked on in a while to see if there is someone better to assign it to 19:23 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 38.9�C (3:30 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday... 19:23 jcamins @wunder 11105 19:23 jwagner *whimper* I have to leave my nice cool house & head out for an appointment. See you tomorrow, if I survive.... 19:23 jcamins That's hot. 19:23 jcamins Ick. 19:23 cait 38?? 19:23 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 38.0�C (3:32 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday... 19:23 jwagner @wunder 20740 19:22 chris i think the commit is the last bit 19:22 jcamins I'll run it overnight. 19:22 chris i *think* it will do that but im not absolutely sure 19:22 jcamins Hrm. 19:22 chris try it somewhere first 19:22 chris actually wait 19:22 jcamins Excellent! Thanks. 19:22 chris the latter jcamins 19:22 jcamins If I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -r, will it immediately clear the index, or will it only clear the index after shadow indexing is completed. 19:21 jwagner I think druthb volunteered at one point; not sure if that offer is still open. 19:21 chris bug ppl to make better bug reports 19:21 chris bug ppl to test and close 19:21 chris keep an eye on bugzilla, change bugs to appropriate severity, status if needed 19:21 cait chris: what a bug wrangler supposed to do? 19:20 jcamins It's an interesting piece of Koha history. 19:20 chris and we could have more 19:20 wizzyrea sorry to derail 19:20 chris we have 3 of them 19:20 chris anyway, back to bug wranglers 19:20 wizzyrea where enhancements = bug fixes 19:20 chris if you tell your clients everything is an enhancment they have to pay for .... 19:20 cait that would be a nice feature, file an enhancement bug for it ;) 19:20 wizzyrea well I can say that NEKLS made it clear we'd be willing to pay for enhancements. Getting someone to take our money, however.... has lately been more of a challenge. 19:19 cait :) 19:19 jcamins If I change everything I patched to "enhancement," will money fall out of the cloud into my lap? 19:19 chris ah yeah, thats so you can charge for that 19:19 jwagner If I'm remembering correctly, "enhancement" was the default in the bugzilla setup. I'll bet a lot of us didn't notice or didn't bother to change it. 19:19 jcamins Ooh. 19:18 wizzyrea they being the client, not the vendor 19:18 wizzyrea that's what they were told all work was 19:18 wizzyrea they would naturally mark it "enhancement" because 19:18 wizzyrea if a client of their reported it 19:18 chris ahhh 19:18 wizzyrea so even if it was a true bug 19:18 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode 19:18 cait speaking of severit ... bug 3164 ... 19:18 wizzyrea a certain vendor called every piece of development "enhancement" 19:18 wizzyrea see 19:17 chris thats why for 3.4 we have bug wranglers 19:17 wizzyrea oh, I can explain how that happens 19:17 chris but far more likely, someone just picked the wrong severity 19:17 chris i blame anglocentrism :-) 19:17 owen I've seen several bugs marked as enhancements which were clearly not. 19:16 jcamins That completely breaks language limits, as far as I can tell. 19:16 jcamins I wonder why it was marked as minor. 19:16 chris i think because its classed as minor its probably fallen off most ppls radars, i spend most of my time looking at blockers,crits and majors 19:15 jcamins I'll test that this actually fixes the problem, then follow with a patch. 19:15 jcamins Fair enough. 19:15 chris hmm probably not a good one :) 19:15 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3811 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, biblios record.abs indexes 008 language as numeric (marc21) 19:15 jcamins Is there a reason that bug 3811 hasn't been patched? 19:14 * jcamins thinks chris has the right idea 19:14 * chris quits his job and becomes an RDA consultant 19:13 chris there are gonna be RDA consultants charging stupid amounts of money for training 19:13 chris RDA is the library world equivalent i reckon 19:13 chris you know y2k made a whole lot of people wealthy 19:13 chris jcamins: its certainly gonna be a messy thing 19:10 * chris takes any opportunity to quote ani difranco 19:09 jcamins My cataloging professor is on the record as saying he hopes he's retired -- or dead -- before RDA is implemented. 19:09 gmcharlt raises the question of what the 1000-year-old RDA committee would look like 19:09 chris take away our playstations and we are a third world nation 19:09 wizzyrea jcamins: I like your insinuation that RDA will be *almost* ready for adoption in the year 3k. Classy. 19:09 cait there are workshops about rda, but dont know what the status is 19:09 chris :) 19:09 jcamins And we're in the developed world. Over-developed world, even. :) 19:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode 19:08 cait bug 3164 19:08 jcamins Certainly we're not considering adopting it. 19:08 chris i think the pay to play aspect of it is gonna kill it dead for most of the world, at least the developing world 19:07 jcamins We could have found out what a world on the verge of RDA will be like. 19:07 cait :) 19:07 wizzyrea HAHAHA 19:06 jcamins Oh, we should have asked owen_3000 about it! 19:06 cait :D 19:06 * chris dies laughing 19:06 chris RDA will fix that 19:05 cait still trying to find out why one record from LOC is not displaying correctly :( 19:04 cait 880-- 19:02 chris yeah you probably want the zebra config files to compaer 19:02 jcamins If only I knew what was on that server. 19:01 chris yeah http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=Rama%E1%B8%8D%C4%81n works fine 18:56 jcamins Thanks for trying this out. I'm going to speculate that the problem has something to do with ICU and 880s, since the same search worked on the pre-880 record. 18:55 jcamins I think this is a post-transfer-to-ByWater problem. 18:54 jcamins jwagner: Interesting. So it must be something with the internal server. 18:54 cait jcamins: you might need icu to search for arabic. we needed for hebrew. before icu a search with hebrew characters resulted in all hebrew records, with and without the search term 18:53 jwagner I searched on Ramad?a�n, (with the diacritics) and it pulled up 5 records including that one 18:53 jcamins That's going to make troubleshooting really difficult. 18:52 jcamins Oh, the external server must have been cloned before I added 880s. 18:51 chris interesting, i dont see any 880s for that? 18:50 jcamins The problem I have is that if I search for Ramadan (with or without the vocalization), I get no results. 18:50 chris it does 18:49 jcamins This link might take you directly to the record: http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=146879 18:49 wizzyrea yea, I think I noted that one before too, and saw kyle's bug 18:48 jcamins I'm trying to search on the transliteration. 18:48 cait jcamins: I mean the 880 fields :) 18:48 jcamins Yeah, because if I search the isbn it works. 18:48 cait jcamins: are you sure they are indexed? 18:46 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library 18:46 owen Bug 4945 18:46 jcamins Do 880s somehow interfere with searching? I have a record with Arabic 880s, and I cannot pull up the record with keyword searching. 18:41 cait owen: I think no, we discussed it on IRC, but saw no bug 18:40 owen Does anyone recall if there is an existing bug report for the patron search defaulting to a current-branch limit? 18:33 jcamins owen: Unfortunately, that seems to be fairly typical for ALA-connected groups. 18:32 sekjal there's a whole chicken-and-egg thing with membership dues and non-profit status 18:32 sekjal it's been limited to the sites where we've had the in-person meetings so far 18:32 sekjal owen: I was there, too, and we're looking to widen the pool of voices 18:28 owen KUDOS doesn't really hear any other voices than those which are at ALA meetings. I think that is unfortunate. 18:27 jwagner owen and chris, I know this was discussed at the ALA meeting, but I wasn't at that meeting. schuster would know current status 18:26 owen I'm just not sure anyone at KUDOS cares 18:26 owen As long as the KUDOS site is @koha.org it can't be considered independent from PTFS 17:58 chris http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2010-July/003083.html <-- we should do kudos.koha-community.org 17:56 jcamins Hello. 17:56 wizzyrea mornin 17:56 jwagner Morning, chris 17:56 sekjal morning, chris 17:56 chris morning 17:42 nengard hi and bye owen - doing koha training 17:39 owen Hi nengard 17:13 munin 04Bug 4319: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, waiting items cannot be reserved 17:12 wizzyrea I wonder if the fix for http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4319 also fixes the display in the opac 17:06 owen http://bit.ly/bKUbuj if you want to play along 17:06 owen We're down to 36 patch-sent bugs with an unspecified Koha version 17:04 jcamins Definitely. 17:04 wizzyrea ^^ agreed 16:59 zevlag ok, I just find maintaining an enviroment that more are using, makes it more stable, and easier for support 16:57 wizzyrea most use debian or ubuntu 16:54 jcamins I can't recommend FreeBSD, although it will work, after a fashion. 16:53 jcamins A lot of people use Debian. 16:52 zevlag is there a preferred distro for Koha? what are most deevelopers testing on? 16:52 jcamins Oh, what fun. 16:52 zevlag Just testing upgrade paths, I've recently started here, and inherited 5 koha servers, which haven't been maintained well 16:50 jcamins Good. 16:46 zevlag jcamins, pianohack, thanks for the help, all is back and running well. I followed your pointers, and just went through the direction in the install.debian-lenny file 16:33 gmcharlt you're welcome 16:33 CGI753 gmcharlt, thanks for the help. I'm going to get lunch and then try to look through the apache error logs. If/when I get stuck again, I'll come back to the chat forum. Thanks again! 16:32 rhcl http://search.cpan.org/~you/Encode-Korean-0.09/lib/Encode/Korean/SKATS.pm 16:32 rhcl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS 16:32 rhcl speaking of Korean, if anybody ever has a need to implement SKATS in Koha I could probably help out. 16:31 owen Oh no it's a search of imported records? 16:31 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4290 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, search for author in repository 16:31 owen Am I to understand from Bug 4290 that a Z39.50 search by Author is doing a keyword search? 16:30 jcamins zevlag: Any luck? 16:30 CGI753 How do I go about finding those? 16:29 gmcharlt CGI753: you may find some useful messages regarding text::iconv or iconv in the apache error logs that may give you additional clues 16:28 CGI753 gmcharlt, you've been a ton of help. Thank you. Is there anything else that you think we should do so that we can get the Korean text to show up? 16:21 CGI753 We updated Text:Iconv to 1.7 16:19 CGI753 by the way, we are using Koha version 3.00.01.005 16:18 CGI753 it does say EUC-KR by www.nanet.go.kr 16:14 CGI753 gmcharlt, thanks. 16:14 gmcharlt select name, host, encoding from z3950servers; 16:13 gmcharlt then from the prompt, do 16:13 gmcharlt CGI753: start a mysql session (same as you did for changing the encoding) 16:13 CGI753 I am at the mysql prompt. 16:13 CGI753 gmcharlt, sorry, but what is the syntax for doing that? 16:12 picmoon Hi, would anyone recommend the Koha LiveCD? 16:09 gmcharlt CGI753: could you paste the results of running select name, host, encoding from z3950servers; from the mysql prompt? 16:08 CGI753 GMCHARLT, still no go. 16:06 CGI753 It says EUC-KR// 16:05 jcamins Well, I'm still not an optimist. ;) 16:05 CGI753 We put in the command. 16:04 cait does it help? 16:04 jcamins I'm not an optimist, but I play one on IRC. 16:02 cait you are really an optimist :) 16:02 jcamins But I guess that's why we're still employed. :) 16:02 jcamins cait: Yes, there seems to be an endless supply of problems. :( 16:01 CGI753 looks like the update finished so we will try it again... 16:01 cait but some other problems on the todo list too 16:01 * zevlag switches to other console 16:01 cait and forgot the print out of my configuration at work, will try again later 16:00 zevlag ops wrong window 16:00 cait was too tired yesterday :( 16:00 zevlag yaml 16:00 jcamins cait: Did you ever get your hold problem figured out? 16:00 cait hi jcamins 16:00 jcamins Hi cait 15:59 jcamins zevlag: Also CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml 15:58 pianohack zevlag: You probably need to update either DBD::mysql (perl-dbd-mysql) or CGI::Session::Driver::mysql 15:58 cait hi all 15:57 * owen must be remembering a time long ago when the staff client showed hold status on the detail page 15:57 gmcharlt CGI753: what git phase? the git fetch? 15:57 CGI753 Should we just stop the update? 15:57 zevlag jcamins: ok, now I'm getting this: http://pastebin.org/384537 15:56 CGI753 It seems to be stuck at the git phase 15:55 CGI753 Before I do that, the problem we are having is that after we upgraded the Perl module like you said, we updated Koha and now Koha seems to be stuck 15:53 CGI753 Ok, I'll try it 15:53 gmcharlt it should print "EUC-KR" if that's supported by your local iconv 15:53 CGI753 I am going to do that right now. What should it show me? 15:53 gmcharlt show you? 15:53 gmcharlt iconv -l | grep EUC-KR 15:53 gmcharlt right, but what does 15:52 CGI753 I know the command line step worked because my z3950 search shows that the encoding has been changed to EUC-KR 15:52 gmcharlt what Linux distribution are you using? 15:52 CGI753 Yes, we ran the iconv command but we still could not see Korean 15:51 gmcharlt did you try running the iconv command I posted to see if EUC-KR is supported by your local system's iconv? 15:50 CGI753 So far, no dice. 15:50 CGI753 gmcharlt, so we have been trying to get the Korean text to work 15:50 owen Ugh. Staff client detail page not showing whether an item is on hold. :( 15:50 zevlag Working on it now 15:50 zevlag yep, that I can do 15:50 jcamins I don't actually know much about using Debian, but hopefully you know how to reinstall packages. 15:49 jcamins Same version we have, then. There's a list of dependencies in kohaclone/debian/control 15:49 zevlag 3.01.00.061 15:47 jcamins What version of Koha do you have? 15:47 zevlag is there a list of which module koha needs somewhere? or should I just install/refresh until it doesn't complain anymore? 15:46 jcamins Okay. Then, yeah, try reinstalling the modules. 15:46 zevlag jcamins: 5.10.0 15:45 jcamins Just to check exactly what's going on, though, you might want to run perl --version 15:44 jcamins I would try reinstalling the modules. 15:44 zevlag yes, that may have happened, do I need to downgrade, set a default, or just install the modules again? 15:43 jcamins *It looks to me 15:43 jcamins zevlag: It looks to make like you may have upgraded to a different version of Perl as part of the upgrade. 15:38 zevlag I upgraded from Debian 4.0 to 5.0 and now koha is giving me this error when I visit the web: http://pastebin.org/384519 15:31 owen ...but it works as advertised. 15:18 owen If that's the case I don't get what the patch does for that problem 15:17 wizzyrea I think he means that the tabs for ISBD/MARC view don't work when on additem.pl 15:14 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3786 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Via items edition, cannot go to ISBD/MARC views 15:14 owen I don't understand what this patch does for Bug 3786: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-November/010462.html 15:03 wizzyrea and use said itype 15:03 owen Oh no, please go ahead :) 15:03 wizzyrea (yea, I was just able to add an itype) 15:03 wizzyrea since I stole yours 15:03 wizzyrea :D 15:03 wizzyrea ok cool. Owen, do you want to do the honors? 15:03 gmcharlt but as far as I can tell, that bug is closeable 15:02 gmcharlt that's what happened 15:02 owen Sounds like the renewalsallowed column was removed from the database and new item types couldn't be added? 15:01 munin 04Bug 3801: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Cannot add item type, due to renewalsallowed deletion 15:01 wizzyrea I don't really understand what he's saying here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3801 15:00 wizzyrea sorry to deprive you of that small pleasure :) 15:00 owen Oh okay 15:00 wizzyrea (that is to say, I have already closed it) 14:59 wizzyrea just fyi 14:59 wizzyrea 627: the official koha website is http://www.koha-community.org 14:59 CGI627 We will log back into this chat forum if we need more help. Thanks! 14:59 wizzyrea too slow! 14:59 owen I'm going to close 3781 as well 14:58 wizzyrea ;) 14:58 wizzyrea (no, mickey sent me mail saying you had commented) 14:58 wizzyrea I'm PSYCHIC. 14:58 gmcharlt ok 14:58 owen wizzyrea: How did you know I was just looking at those bugs? 14:58 CGI627 We are updating Koha and then we will try what you said, gmcharlt 14:57 wizzyrea which means 3781 is probably also closeable 14:57 wizzyrea owen: I just closed 3265, in my tests it's working just right. 14:55 CGI627 I'll do it...just a minute or so 14:54 gmcharlt and see if it turns up a result 14:54 gmcharlt iconv -l|grep EUC-KR 14:54 gmcharlt on the command line, run 14:54 kf bye all 14:54 CGI627 and then I upgraded the Perl module called Text:Iconv 14:53 CGI627 I input the mysql command to set the encoding to EUC-KR... 14:53 CGI627 Not quite yet... 14:53 gmcharlt did it work? 14:52 gmcharlt hi CGI627 14:52 CGI627 gmcharlt, you helped me Friday with a problem I was having of not being able to view Korean text when uploading records in koha 14:29 jcamins Not only would it put me that much closer to interfacing with cataloggen (http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/3154 ), several of our patrons here have asked for something along those lines. 14:28 jwagner owen, BibLibre has something in the works; don't think it's been pushed yet. 14:28 jcamins Right. 14:28 owen jcamins: So you want to offer multiple views of the same record? 14:27 jcamins The part that leaves me kind of baffled is how to allow users to specify in a syspref the number of tabs they want. 14:27 owen jwagner: I thought someone recently added the option to specify a URL for an XSL file 14:23 davi rebooting 14:23 davi hi wizzyrea 14:22 jcamins I need to interface Koha with my catalog generator, and I'd kind of like to do it right. 14:22 jwagner I've been wanting to be able to use remotely-stored XSLT for a while. 14:22 jcamins I was thinking of a syspref. 14:22 wizzyrea hey davi 14:22 owen Based on what? 14:21 wizzyrea ^^ I would 14:21 jcamins On the subject of XSLT, would anyone other than me find the ability to configure multiple XSLT stylesheets useful? 14:21 kf ah, back to normal 14:20 jcamins That might be a useful feature. 14:19 jwagner There's no mechanism in the XSLT files to use that substitution either. 14:19 jwagner I think you're right, jcamins -- it's a syspref, and XSLT didn't read sysprefs until we added a few into the code. That wasn't one of them. 14:18 kf|mtg jcamins: I think oyu could be right 14:18 jcamins I'd like to be wrong. 14:18 jcamins I may be wrong. 14:18 wizzyrea hrm 14:17 jcamins wizzyrea: I think that only works if you don't use XSLT. 14:17 jwagner wizzyrea, I always assumed that only applied to URLs. Not that I've ever tested it otherwise. 14:16 wizzyrea and if so, why aren't we using a similar mechanic to customize search results and detail pages? (or maybe it doesn't work that way) 14:15 wizzyrea can you do that with any marc subfield? bracket it and it will show what's in there? 14:14 wizzyrea very cool. I'm sure you all knew this but I just discovered it. 14:14 wizzyrea <a href="[856u]">open site</a> will show the link just below the title" 14:14 wizzyrea I did not realize koha allowed this "Enter a summary that will overwrite the default one in search results lists. Example, for a website itemtype : 14:07 wizzyrea ahh I see 14:07 owen You can't click to edit something and then say "Save these changes as a new item" 14:06 wizzyrea which might not be *exactly* the samet hing 14:06 owen Yeah, that's only when adding 14:06 wizzyrea or, duplicate this item 14:06 wizzyrea that's in 3.2 I think 13:57 jcamins It would be a very useful feature. 13:56 owen I'm surprised we don't have a "save as new" option when editing items 13:53 wizzyrea oh I see now, but wow that is not obvious 13:52 wizzyrea imma look into that 13:52 wizzyrea so 13:52 wizzyrea and that shouldn't be 13:52 wizzyrea but that's dumb, i had to search to find them 13:52 wizzyrea just do koha on xxx 13:52 wizzyrea you're right 13:52 jcamins I would think. 13:52 jcamins But we could change them to "Installing Koha-FreeBSD" 13:51 jcamins They're now all under "Koha on xxx" or "xxx" 13:51 wizzyrea I don't actually see any others 13:50 wizzyrea where xxx is the distro/OS 13:50 wizzyrea I would probably prefer the 2nd: installing_koha-xxx 13:50 wizzyrea I think it used to be Installing_Koha_on_xxx or Installing_Koha-xxx 13:48 jcamins Hm. Slight formatting problem there. 13:48 jcamins That's what I have now, but I want to make sure I do it right. 13:47 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_FreeBSD 13:47 jcamins wizzyrea: Is the preferred naming convention on the wiki something like "Koha on FreeBSD" or "FreeBSD"? 13:45 wizzyrea aha, I see what you did there 13:45 jcamins Right, but the Wizard doesn't melt. 13:45 wizzyrea (meaning the wicked witch of the west melts when doused with water) 13:45 wizzyrea oh good 13:44 jcamins No, the weather. 13:44 wizzyrea ...unless you're referring to the wizard of oz 13:44 * jcamins didn't realize that melted people could type, but here he is, oozing proof to the contrary. :) 13:44 wizzyrea perfect 4th weather, imo 13:44 wizzyrea :D 13:44 wizzyrea couldn't have if I'd tried, it was rainy and cool 13:41 jcamins I'm glad to see you didn't melt over your lovely 3 day weekend. 13:41 jcamins Good morning, wizzyrea. 13:40 wizzyrea s 13:40 wizzyrea well, US'ian 13:40 wizzyrea I'm hoping everyone had a lovely 3 day weekend 13:40 jwagner Just your normal time-traveling morning on the IRC, wizzyrea. 13:40 wizzyrea good mornin druthb 13:40 druthb g'morning, wizzyrea. 13:40 wizzyrea don't you just love it when you walk into a conversation like that 13:39 wizzyrea ... 13:35 owen Yeah, reconstituted-from-IRC-logs owen would be totally onboard with the Koha world organism. 13:34 druthb No, definitely beamed in from the future. Present-owen isn't a raving maniac like that. 13:33 druthb plan to retire at 65, and let your descendants support you for the next 900-ish years. 13:32 owen Unless owen_3000 was a recreation of present owen based on Koha IRC logs 13:32 owen Good point. 13:32 druthb But look at it this way, owen--you'll live a long time! 13:31 druthb poor future-owen. 13:31 owen Horrible. I'm going to quit my job and go into the printed card catalog business 13:30 gmcharlt ah, too late 13:30 gmcharlt owen_3000: that could be messy - does the Koha super-organism have diplomatic relations with the Evergreen super-consortium? 13:30 * owen_3000 dies 13:30 * owen_3000 Damn you all to hell! 13:30 * owen_3000 falls to his knees and shouts, "You bastards! You blew it up!" 13:30 druthb Gosh, and I thought there was *bad* news...like, you know, a functional SirsiDynix release or something. 13:29 druthb oh, is that all? 13:29 owen_3000 You'll destroy us all! 13:29 owen_3000 In the year 2785 all Koha installations in the world will grow together into one sentient super-organism! 13:28 druthb (!!) 13:28 druthb (!) 13:28 * owen stares aghast at the harrowing vision of owen_3000 13:28 owen_3000 I bring you a warning from the year 3000! 13:27 sekjal hi, druthb! 13:27 druthb hi, sekjal! 13:26 sekjal morning, #koha 13:24 * druthb raises an eyebrow. 13:23 * druthb stubs her toe on a paradox. 13:22 druthb since I have not walked into my office to talk to me about it yet.. 13:22 jwagner Nah, there will always be something to complain about. And things will always have been better in The Good Old Days. 13:22 owen The trouble is, the time-traveling future might be so great no one wants to go back to now 13:21 VP Really glad to see the way u are offering support. Thanks and good bye. 13:20 jwagner Hmmm. Haven't heard if that one's in the charter, but it would be a good one. 13:20 owen They should also have a rule that says if time travel becomes possible club members must return to the past to let everyone know. 13:19 jwagner There's an SF club I know of which allegedly has it in the charter that Death Does Not Release members from obligations. 13:18 * owen pictures giving Koha help in the year 3000 13:18 jwagner VP, no problem, ask away :-) 13:18 VP Thanks. 13:18 VP Will be requesting ur help in future 13:17 VP Just had a Workshop on KOHA and DSpace 13:16 owen Hi VP 13:16 VP Hi 13:13 owen Always nice not to have anything *bold* in my weather report 13:12 druthb my allergies are kicking up big-time today; probably the smog soup. 13:12 Nate can I please have the waiter crush some harmful particulates over my smog soup? 13:12 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 27.2�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). 13:12 owen @wunder 45701 13:12 Nate smog soup... yummy 13:12 jcamins Probably wise. 13:10 jwagner We have Code Red air quality alerts -- I'm working from home rather than trying to breathe the smog soup.... 13:09 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 31.7�C (9:19 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday... 13:09 jwagner @wunder 20740 13:08 jcamins That was supposed to be an exclamation mark, not a '1'. 13:08 Nate :) 13:07 jcamins Stay in my climate controlled office until the security guard throws me out1 13:07 Nate crank that AC! 13:07 jcamins Oh, lucky me. It's *even hotter* in Astoria. 13:06 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 33.3�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday... 13:06 jcamins @wunder 11105 13:06 Nate ugh 13:06 munin Nate: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 30.2�C (9:09 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening... 13:05 Nate @wunder 06516 13:05 Nate morning! 13:05 jwagner Morning 13:05 jcamins_a Good morning, #koha 12:45 druthb hi, owen! 12:44 owen Hi #koha 12:27 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4139: set DBrev to 143 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=efc9e3a331d3bf8dec536694cfca8c1dd58313f1> / Bug 4139 - Adding some indexes to deal with a performance issue with overdue reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de4eeac2af2a65f0013850e6051830a739d45783> 12:20 nengard k time tod o training 12:17 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4188 Valid PDF file name when printing basket group with no name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e6f91dc71f249bbb4f703d424e0c0a20f711adb> / Bug 2725: Fixes uppercasesurnames preference. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4f69745814a70ae80e3c117a0e9f1bc0e18ec3d> 12:16 nengard maybe that's wrong in some way 12:14 nengard try to run the sql by itself 12:14 nengard this is in the update script: DELETE FROM message_transports WHERE message_attribute_id=3; 12:13 nengard hang on 12:13 nengard grrrrr 12:12 jwagner Nope, didn't remove them. 12:12 jwagner Just ran it manually. Let's see what that did. 12:11 jwagner Nope. 12:11 nengard when you did the pull did it prompt you to upgrade when you went to the website 12:11 nengard i promise :) 12:11 jwagner I did a git pull -- didn't run the script manually. 12:11 nengard cause it's in there there to remove them 12:11 jwagner Maybe sites are just going to have to delete those manually? 12:11 nengard did you run the update script? 12:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, REOPENED, Remove unimplemented upcoming events message 12:10 jwagner nengard, no joy on Bug 2434 -- I still see them. 12:08 kf|mtg :) 12:06 druthb hehe 12:05 nengard oh boy 12:05 druthb "Your dungeon floor is not level; angry creatures cannot play marbles." 12:04 nengard LOL 12:04 druthb That narrator-voice is awesome: "Your dungeon is damp! Install central heating." 12:04 nengard well it crashed on me :( doesn't like new computers 12:03 jwagner I never did get into computer games much. Spider and Freecell are about it. 12:03 nengard :) 12:03 * druthb loves Dungeon Keeper. 12:03 nengard yesterday it was dungeon keeper a game i played in college ;) 12:03 nengard i go through phases where i play - and it's always an old game 12:03 nengard jwagner i do that too - i was on a game on my computer - not facebook :) 12:03 jwagner I don't either. And I block just about all the cutesy apps people use.... 12:02 druthb I do, in fact, ignore chats occasionally...but only from certain people, and fairly rarely, at that. 12:02 druthb play games. 12:00 nengard play games or ignore chats?? 11:56 druthb :) I think I'm about the only facebook-er who doesn't ever, ever do that,. 11:56 nengard didn't see the chat window 11:56 nengard was playing a game :) 11:56 nengard sorry i missed you yesterday 11:56 nengard howdy 11:56 druthb g'mornin, nengard! 11:35 munin druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009) 11:35 druthb @quote random 11:33 munin gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 09:11 AM, May 18, 2010) 11:33 gmcharlt @quote random 11:08 jwagner Morning, all 11:03 gmcharlt good morning 10:50 druthb :D 10:50 kf|mtg hi druthb 10:48 druthb hello, #koha 09:52 chris hopefully thats another blocker fixed, i think just one left 08:58 hdl casper: you may have to disable default apache2 server. 08:46 casper port 8080 is fine 08:46 casper hi i just installed koha, but i can't access from port 80 08:35 kf good morning #koha 07:20 Amit hi hdl, ropuch 07:15 hdl Hi 07:04 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:34 robin ahh, it should work it out from the patron type. 06:20 robin anyone know what the expected exiry date for a new patron is? It's broken in head, and I'm planning on fixing it. But, fix it to what? 100 years in the future? 04:00 chris casper: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 02:44 casper how do I make the look of the frontend nicer. 02:05 Genji using truncation 5=1, zero results. using 2=102 instead (relevance) i get 3000 02:03 Genji does the icuchains truncation issue still exist? 02:03 Genji hiya all.