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Scott |
ironic thats its as quiet as a library in this channel... |
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chris |
only us southern hemispherites left |
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chris |
the busy time is our night |
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* chris_n |
looks in |
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Scott |
i see... |
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chris |
my fingers twitch everytime i see this page |
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chris |
http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ect-organization/ |
| 02:56 |
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chris |
just itching to change the z to an s :0 |
| 02:57 |
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brendan |
heh |
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brendan |
go for it |
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chris |
url is out there now, so too late |
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chris |
:) |
| 03:00 |
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chris |
oh brendan i tried to set up the en_usspecial language |
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chris |
but pootle thwarted me |
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Amit_G |
heya brendan, chris |
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brendan |
heya amit_g |
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chris |
heya Amit_G |
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richard |
anyone know how valid is this for getting chinese / korean / japanese in search results - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ncodingscratchpad |
| 04:23 |
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richard |
in 3.0.6 |
| 04:24 |
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chris |
i think that is old an out of date |
| 04:24 |
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richard |
ah, thought so |
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chris |
its all to do with zebra icu stuff now |
| 04:25 |
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chris |
anthony mao has got it all working |
| 04:25 |
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richard |
just got a query from a person who reckons that their chinese titles aren't appearing in search results but english ones are |
| 04:25 |
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chris |
lemme see if i can find it |
| 04:25 |
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richard |
cool |
| 04:27 |
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chris |
id point them at |
| 04:27 |
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chris |
http://groups.google.com/group/kohataiwan?pli=1 |
| 04:28 |
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richard |
thanks chris |
| 04:30 |
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richard |
guess the same things will apply for their Japanese and Korean titles too eh |
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chris |
reckon so |
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Amit_G |
heya nicomo |
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nicomo |
hi Amit_G |
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brendan |
night all |
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Ropuch^_ |
Morning #koha |
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Amit_G |
heya Ropuch |
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greenmang0 |
@wunder mumbai |
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munin |
greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (11:10 AM IST on April 27, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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chris |
morning |
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Ropuch^_ |
Hi kf, chris |
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chris |
hiya Ropuch^_ |
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chris |
lnts |
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chris |
ltns even |
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Ropuch^_ |
heh |
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Ropuch^_ |
CSNE is organizing Congress of Germanologist and I'm doing everything but library related stuff |
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chris |
ahhh |
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Ropuch^_ |
If only i had not so much to do at the Library, I would call those activities quite refreshing instead of 'waste of time I don't have' ;> |
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heya genji |
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CGI416 |
Any Amazon images gurus hanging about in here!? I'm having some trouble |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 13.6�C (7:10 AM EDT on April 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Rising). |
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jdavidb |
Hello, #koha! :) |
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chris |
hi jdavidb |
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kf |
hi jdavidb and chris |
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kf |
chris: do you ever sleep? :) |
| 11:42 |
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jdavidb |
Hi, chris and kf. :D |
| 11:43 |
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chris |
every now and then kf :) |
| 11:43 |
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chris |
actually i get 7 or so hours in most nights |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
I whish I would |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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chris_n |
morning #koha |
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jwagner |
Morning, all |
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owen |
Hello all |
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jwagner |
morning, owen |
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hilongo |
Hello owen, jwagner and all :) |
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hilongo |
I have just woke up and smell the coffee :P |
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jwagner |
owen, still online? |
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owen |
All day! |
| 13:16 |
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jwagner |
I just tried an updated head server with your patch and a Syndetics ID from a different server -- still no syndetics content at all. |
| 13:17 |
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owen |
Hmmm.. Okay. I'm hoping it's a problem with my template logic |
| 13:17 |
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jwagner |
I was a little dubious about whether the first ID was still valid, but I doublechecked this one. Works fine on its "real" server, no content at all on the head one. |
| 13:17 |
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owen |
jwagner: I'll try to work on this later today and send you an updated version of the file if you're willing to do more testing |
| 13:18 |
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jwagner |
If jdavidb can apply the patch to our test server. I confess to ignorance in that area.... |
| 13:18 |
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* chris_n |
finds the less his ignorance, the longer his to-do list :) |
| 13:18 |
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owen |
jwagner: I could send you the whole file if that was easier |
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* jwagner |
thinks that's why I've been resisting learning it :-) |
| 13:19 |
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jdavidb |
I can apply the patch, yes, where-ever it's needed. |
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jwagner |
owen, the whole template file? |
| 13:19 |
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owen |
jwagner: Yes, if the impediment is patch-application but you have access to the test server |
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jwagner |
If you send me the whole file, I can set it up as a branch & then copy the file over -- wouldn't need him & he's busy.1 |
| 13:19 |
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jwagner |
That's probably easier. |
| 13:22 |
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jwagner |
I'll be in & out of meetings all day, but will try to squeeze it in. |
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schuster |
Hello all... |
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owen |
Hi schuster |
| 13:35 |
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owen |
jwagner: Do you get "No cover image available" ? |
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jdavidb |
schuster++ |
| 13:38 |
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jwagner |
owen, no -- no indication that any content is in place at all. |
| 13:38 |
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jwagner |
Same as if syndetics etc. was turned off |
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owen |
jwagner: Could there be a broken image there? (I don't know if your browser would tell you) |
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owen |
If you view source and search for "syndetics" can you find an image tag? |
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jwagner |
No. I don't see anything at all in Firebug and searching source for syndetics doesn't find anything. |
| 13:41 |
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owen |
That's weird. I wouldn't think the change I made would do that... Hm... |
| 13:46 |
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jwagner |
Dunno if it makes a difference -- I've been checking primarily the results list, but have also gone into the detail page on some. No change. |
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owen |
jwagner: My patch didn't touch the results page |
| 13:47 |
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owen |
If the results page isn't working you've got a different problem. |
| 13:47 |
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jwagner |
Well, that might account for it, then. Wonder if the Syndetics ID is IP-limited or something. I copied it from a production server. |
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jwagner |
We haven't had a problem in the past, though, with running Syndetics on test servers. |
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jwagner |
Nope, just tried the same ID on a different test server (not at current head) and it works fine. Syndetics covers, notes, etc. |
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owen |
jwagner: All *I* changed was opac-detail.tmpl. If you don't see Syndetics content on your opac-results page where you normally would, there must be some other issue going on too |
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CGI766 |
Can anyone help with me with an Amazon images problem, I have been battling it for ages |
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owen |
We can try CGI766. What's the problem and what version of Koha are you on? |
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CGI766 |
The problem is that I can't get any enchanced content to work. I am hoping for Amazon but Google is the same - just getting the version for you now |
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CGI766 |
Version 3.0004019 |
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CGI766 |
I have the AccessKey, PrivateKey and AssocTag entered correctly and all turned on in Admin |
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owen |
CGI766: Google cover images don't work either? |
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CGI766 |
Correct |
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kmkale |
hi all |
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owen |
Since Google cover images don't require any kind of authentication, I wonder if you have a firewall issue? |
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jwagner |
Have you verified that your records have ISBNs? Both Google & Amazon link on them. |
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owen |
jwagner++ |
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CGI766 |
What sort of traffic is required outbound? Mind you all my clients are allowed full access to to the internet |
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CGI766 |
All records are full, complete MARC records with ISBNs |
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owen |
CGI766: Is your catalog online where we can see an example? |
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CGI766 |
not at the moment, but I could put it up there.....will need to change some firewall rules do to it |
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CGI766 |
OWEN - Site externally now, you can view it here - > http://83.141.96.110:8080 |
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owen |
CGI766: Do you have an example record in mind? |
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CGI766 |
Any of them! Try a seach for music |
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owen |
CGI766: http://83.141.96.110:8080/cgi-[…]?biblionumber=178 |
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owen |
I see an ISBN, but it's not in the ISBN field |
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owen |
It's in 001 when it should be in 020 |
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owen |
If your system maps 020 to biblioitems.isbn then Koha isn't getting any isbn data to use to display book covers |
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CGI766 |
http://172.16.0.44/cgi-bin/koh[…]biblionumber=2473 |
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CGI766 |
better example |
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CGI766 |
sorry, that;s the internal address |
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CGI766 |
should be http://83.141.96.110:8080/cgi-[…]biblionumber=2473 |
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CGI766 |
This is even better, no text in the 020: http://83.141.96.110:8080/cgi-[…]biblionumber=2206 |
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owen |
CGI766: I notice with that record Amazon itself doesn't have a record with that ISBN |
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CGI766 |
OK, I'll get one that does, I had a load earlier.....2 mins |
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owen |
I also notice that in your OPAC I don't see a "no cover image" box, suggesting to me that Amazon cover images are not turned on |
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owen |
CGI766: As on this page: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]?biblionumber=159 |
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CGI766 |
I know, thought that was strange too, however I can assure you it's on. The cover image appears when Google gets turned on but not Amazon |
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wizzyrea |
do you have all of your keys inputted properly? |
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CGI766 |
I mean the "no cover image" |
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wizzyrea |
someone probably asked that already |
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wizzyrea |
sometimes something silly like a space at the end can muck it up |
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CGI766 |
Yeah, as far as I can see. Simple copy and paste really |
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wizzyrea |
< had that happen once |
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owen |
CGI766: I'm also curious about why your detail pages have a broken layout. Have you modified the template? |
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wizzyrea |
owen: search.myacpl.org is looking really nice these days :) |
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owen |
Thanks! |
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CGI766 |
Only by using the UsersCSS and MainUserBlock etc, not directly |
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wizzyrea |
yea, the layout does look a little funky :/ |
| 14:28 |
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wizzyrea |
just for fun, kick out your CSS and see if it's working |
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owen |
I can't image why, in this page, you have 8 holdings tables listing no items |
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owen |
http://83.141.96.110:8080/cgi-[…]biblionumber=2206 |
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wizzyrea |
and good morning |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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schuster |
owen - I see on http://www.myacpl.org/kids - you have rotating kids covers on the left. Is that a seperate "special" css you created? |
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owen |
schuster: That's built in PHP, completely separate from Koha. It just links to Koha |
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schuster |
ah ok. Drat another PHP attachment. |
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wizzyrea |
I wish there was a plugin system for koha |
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wizzyrea |
a la WP |
| 14:31 |
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wizzyrea |
so you could shortcode really cool content in. |
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owen |
CGI766: I wonder if you get a similarly weird display when you view that record in your staff client? |
| 14:32 |
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CGI766 |
I have removed any of the custom CSS changes but the problem remains. Is there anyway to turn on enchanced logging? |
| 14:32 |
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brendan |
wizzyrea - plugin system - I know that's sekjal's dream to code into koha somewhere somehow |
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CGI766 |
Yes, the record looks the same, a little more detail but seems to have many blank locations |
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wizzyrea |
I would love him forever. |
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sekjal |
awww |
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sekjal |
I have so many dream projects |
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sekjal |
I just need to figure out how to plug a computer into my brain, so I can code them up while I sleep |
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* chris_n |
thinks if we could all finish all of our koha dream projects, the world would not need any other ils :) |
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sekjal |
chris_n: agreed |
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owen |
chris_n: Except for some folks who would insist that it should have been written in Python using Postgres |
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wizzyrea |
*giggle* |
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sekjal |
owen: they could run a modified version of Evergreen, then |
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wizzyrea |
766, I don't suppose you'd feel comfortable giving any of us a login to look at your prefs? |
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wizzyrea |
(which is fine) |
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owen |
CGI766: Because that record looks so strange and you have weird empty locations, I'm wondering if there was a problem with your biblio load or with your data mapping |
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CGI766 |
Maybe, should I trunc and start again? It is only a test system at the moment? |
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owen |
CGI766: Where are you getting your records? Are you trying to import from another system? |
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CGI766 |
Yes, a Horizon system |
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owen |
CGI766: You might want to start over and try to create a new MARC record from scratch or from a Z39.50 search |
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wizzyrea |
^^ what he says |
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CGI766 |
OK, will do. Thanks. |
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kf |
bye #koha |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 12.8�C (8:35 AM PDT on April 27, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). |
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schuster |
@wunder 75074 |
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munin |
schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 18.3�C (10:44 AM CDT on April 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Rising). |
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brendan |
heya schuster |
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schuster |
Hey! |
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schuster |
Hope all is going well... |
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brendan |
you too :) |
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wizzyrea |
oh schuster! been a while! |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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schuster |
hey wizzyrea... Yes busy with trying to get things ready to close down for the summer. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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jdavidb |
Hi, cait! :D |
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cait |
hi jdavidb :) |
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wajasu |
my cataloger was replacing a marc record via a z3950 search. it has 45 volumes. Now no searches return anything. shall i do a complete zebra rebuild.pl? |
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wajasu |
i'm going to try to rebuild see if zebra is stoping its indexing because if a bad marc record. |
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chris_n |
wajasu: yes |
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chris_n |
you might also see the FAQ on Searching at www.koha-community.org |
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wajasu |
ok |
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chris_n |
it contains some important suggestions regarding rebuild_zebra.pl |
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chris_n |
brb |
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wajasu |
i ran the rebuild -b -v and zebraidx bailed with an assertion error --> zebraidx: records.c:913: rec_get_int: Assertion `rec->size[i] == 0' failed. |
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chris_n |
wajasu: you might try rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v which will drop the indexes and rebuild from scratch |
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* chris_n |
is not sure about that error |
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rhcl |
Here's one old thread on the zebra: |
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rhcl |
http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipe[…]ugust/000532.html |
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chris_n |
sanity check: you are running the script as your kohauser |
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wajasu |
as root |
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chris_n |
you should be running as your kohauser |
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chris_n |
ie. su kohauser (or whatever the correct account is) |
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wajasu |
i'm going o have to make sure the dirs that zebra uses belong to a koha group and the koha user as well, to get the crontab to run as koha. |
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gmcharlt |
cute - edit war on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 |
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wajasu |
the rebuild you had me do ran through. |
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wajasu |
but when i went to opac to search, nothing is found still. |
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wajasu |
i'm, going to run rebuild -b -v now. |
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wajasu |
when i set up my distribution, i had to do httpd setup manually, and user virtual hosts. is there some setup that runs the koha cgi/perl scripts as the koha user? thus the zerba directories need to be readable and/or writeable by koha? |
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chris_n |
wajasu: in all setup variations all things zebra related are owned by the kohauser iirc |
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chris_n |
there are only three variations: development, single directory, and standard |
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chris_n |
interesting... the gnome interface in lucid looks much more mac-ish |
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owen |
lucid? |
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chris_n |
owen: the latest ubuntu beta |
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chris_n |
the thing boots extremely fast |
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* jdavidb |
is thinking of a switch to Ubuntu at home, but has about a half-dozen windows-only things on that machine, that don't seem to like wine much. |
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* chris_n |
runs the complete MS Office 2003 suite under wine: a) to keep it under my thumb ;) and b) to accommodate some users who cannot let go of their M$ security blanket |
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* jwagner |
perks up my ears. Wine? Someone's drinking wine? I could use a slug.... |
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jdavidb |
chris_n: the two games that get most of my cycles on the home machine baldly refuse to run under wine, so I'll probably keep Windows. XP-pro, so it's not too evil. |
| 18:17 |
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owen |
brendan: I submitted a patch for the Amazon covers issue and updated Bug 3863 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3863 major, P5, ---, henridamien koha-fr.org, NEW, Amazon Content Not Working |
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brendan |
owen++ |
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jdavidb |
owen++ |
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* owen |
should be working on statistics but Koha keeps sucking me back in! |
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* jdavidb |
fails to see the problem.. |
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chris |
oh that sux |
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chris |
thats just blatant hostility to the community |
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owen |
chris: ? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: looking at edit history for the wikipedia page about Koha |
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chris |
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde[…]e)&action=history |
| 18:48 |
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chris |
kelly sherman has been changing links to www.koha.org |
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chris_n |
wow, and moving liblime links to the top of the list... |
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wizzyrea |
as competitors to koha |
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chris |
and pointing it to www.koha.org |
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wizzyrea |
which I find funny :) |
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chris |
speaks volumes |
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chris |
liblime -> www.koha.org |
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wizzyrea |
OMG |
| 18:52 |
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wizzyrea |
koha is a competitor to koha! |
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* wizzyrea |
's mind blows |
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chris |
ah well, at least true colours are being shown |
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* chris_n |
finds it interesting that today it appears she changed the link back to koha-community.org |
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chris |
that last change? |
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chris |
thats not her |
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chris_n |
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde[…]t&oldid=358417377 |
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chris_n |
ok, I see |
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chris |
that link was broken, so someone fixed it |
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chris |
someone should probably fix all the rest too |
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chris |
preferably the person who broke them |
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chris |
but the chance of ptfs growing some ethics seems slim |
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chris_n |
interesting that all of this appears to have taken place after the email exchange over the weekend |
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chris_n |
I wonder if that is our answer |
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chris |
seems to be |
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chris |
why do it otherwise? |
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chris |
you don't accidentally edit the page 8 times |
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* sekjal |
gets started fixing links |
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chris_n |
this sort of reeks of kados |
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chris |
pretending to be ptfs? |
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chris_n |
no, but motivating |
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wizzyrea |
and I'm sorry, it kind of also reeks of, how to say... ignorance on the part of the editor. |
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wizzyrea |
I mean, she put a LibLime, linking to koha.org, as a *competitor* of koha. |
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chris |
well it is |
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chris |
there is koha |
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* chris_n |
can think of lots of not so nice things a bucket can be filled with |
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chris |
and then there is the unreleased fork |
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chris |
its the only truthful edit made |
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chris_n |
what a sadly poetical phrase: "For other meanings of Koha, see Koha (disambiguation)." |
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wizzyrea |
hm, that bit in our wikipedia page about the support companies might be better served to link to the list on the koha-community website |
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chris |
true |
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wizzyrea |
I mean, we all know there are more than just bywater, ptfs, and Nucsoft |
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brendan |
awwwhhh shucks |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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brendan |
agreed though - a link to koha-community would server everyone better |
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chris_n |
+1 # as if it's needed :) |
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brendan |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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wizzyrea |
well I just went and did it, so I hope that's ok >.> |
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wizzyrea |
guess I should get a wikipedia login >.> |
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brendan |
wizzyrea++ |
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cait |
history could link to koha-community too |
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wizzyrea |
indeed |
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cait |
it sounds like liblime were the first company and its the only one mentioned |
| 19:17 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I'm going to do a little proper editing on this I think. |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
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* chris_n |
cheers wizzyrea on |
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owen |
wizzyrea while you're in there please change the link for Nelsonville Public Library to http://www.myacpl.org |
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chris |
last time someone started an edit war with librarians |
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chris |
the librarians won |
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cait |
dont miss the liblime link under see also |
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wizzyrea |
owen: done. |
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chris |
was when an nz author (a very mediocre one) said libraries were stealing by lending books out |
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wizzyrea |
(haven't saved yet) |
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chris |
then tried to pretend it never happened |
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chris |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B[…]rds_(New_Zealand) <-- librarians won |
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chris |
ok time to go feed my kids |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea: maybe reordering in alphabetical order would be in order... like on koha-community.org |
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wizzyrea |
oh no no no we're not going to discuss sorting methodology |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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* chris_n |
ducks |
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chris_n |
heya nengard |
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brendan |
heya nengard |
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chris_n |
snap |
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nengard |
i hear someone messed with my wikipedia edits??? |
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brendan |
missing some good action in the list |
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brendan |
whoops in channel |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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nengard |
people should know better than to change my edits!!! |
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* chris_n |
ducks again |
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* owen |
too |
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nengard |
hehe :) |
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nengard |
it wasn't you!! |
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nengard |
you wouldn't do that |
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wizzyrea |
I admit it, it was me >.> |
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wizzyrea |
at least this time |
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nengard |
no no |
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nengard |
you guys misunderstand |
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nengard |
i mean someone changed the fact that i put the links in to the official koha page |
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nengard |
now you're just re-doing what i did |
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nengard |
that's a-ok :) |
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wizzyrea |
ok... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 |
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wizzyrea |
mostly in the history section |
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nengard |
i'm talia679 |
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nengard |
in the history :) |
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owen |
wizzyrea: You forgot to move LibLime from the Open-source section of "competitors" to the Proprietary section :P |
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wizzyrea |
I wasn't working on that section yet |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
but it's done now |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea: also, the LibLime link in the See Also is incorrect. Should point to LibLime's wikipedia page, in my opinion |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, yea good catch |
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wizzyrea |
you know what |
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nengard |
k |
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wizzyrea |
I don't think that should even be there |
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wizzyrea |
I think it should be "List of Koha Support companies" |
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wizzyrea |
and point to the website |
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wizzyrea |
because there's no reason that LL over anyone else should have a see also on that page |
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* cait |
mumbles mentioned see also too... |
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cait |
sorry, just a bit tired and moody today |
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wajasu |
chris_n: so those koha tips in the community web, say "Be sure you are *not* running the zebraqueue daemon". So should I just run a full index build every 5 minutes? (-b -a, without -z) |
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chris |
ok bus time back later |
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wajasu |
i've done full rebuilds, but i get nothing the search results. |
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cait |
wajasu: -z will just reindex new and changed records from zebra_queue table - so yes :) |
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chris |
go go librarian fact checkers |
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chris_n |
wajasu: -z every 5 mins would be fine |
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brendan |
wajasu - have you confirmed that zebraserver is running ? |
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chris_n |
what he said ^^ |
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brendan |
you can try this |
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brendan |
ps -aef | grep zebra |
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wizzyrea |
sorry cait, just missed your comment I think. |
| 19:44 |
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wizzyrea |
but it should be fixed now |
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* chris_n |
thinks brendan is just a mite faster on the keyboard :) |
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brendan |
yeah but usually with typos ;) |
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wizzyrea |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_(software) |
| 19:45 |
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wizzyrea |
please double check what I've done. |
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cait |
wizzyrea: no problem, thx for correcting everything! :) |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea: might sweet of you to correct that competition blunder :) |
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chris_n |
at least they will never be able to accuse us of malice |
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wajasu |
i did a fresh install/deploy last week. now they added/replaced their 1st marc record (that had 45 volumes). and now no results in the searches. |
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chris_n |
wajasu: were you able to confirm that zebra is running? |
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wajasu |
yes its running. /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
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chris_n |
and rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v ran with no errors? |
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wajasu |
no errors. unless somehow i blocked the port it listens on with iptables/firewall? |
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wajasu |
but things were searching fine last thursday. |
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chris_n |
zebra should be running on a socket |
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chris_n |
hmm |
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brendan |
maybe restart zebra ? |
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wajasu |
i saw those sockets and they are read/write owned by root. |
| 19:49 |
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wajasu |
i'm running alpha |
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chris_n |
wajasu: and this faq does not apply: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]faq/searching/#16 |
| 19:49 |
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brendan |
in your ps -aef | grep zebra output |
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brendan |
what does the user say ? |
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brendan |
something like --user=koha |
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wajasu |
i just didi all that. |
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chris_n |
k |
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wajasu |
i just chowned -R koha:koha /var/lib/koha/zebradb /var/run/koha/zebradb |
| 19:51 |
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wajasu |
and ran rebuild as koha user with success. |
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wajasu |
i see lots of records exported, etc with -v when I rebuild. |
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chris_n |
and your zebra process is owned by the koha user (confirmed in the ps -ef output)? |
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* chris_n |
is puzzled |
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chris_n |
zebraqueue daemon is not running, right? |
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wajasu |
no. As root. because the instructions have me install as a daemon /etc/rc.d/koha-zebra-daemon (whihc i symlinked to /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh) |
| 19:54 |
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wajasu |
i stopped zebraqueue an hour ago so its out of the picture. |
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wajasu |
i haven'd installed any sudo functionality in this dist. |
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wajasu |
this is the 1st time i ever got zebraqueue running and it ran every five minutes since last thursday. |
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wajasu |
wait. i think i see somehting in the opac error log. |
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chris_n |
wajasu: it has bad memory leaks |
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chris_n |
zebraqueue that is |
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wajasu |
opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 468 |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
well I'm going to take it as a good sign that no one is objecting to my changes (yet) |
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wajasu |
i'm look at the source luke. |
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chris_n |
wajasu: what version do you have? |
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wajasu |
alpha |
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chris_n |
no, version number |
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chris_n |
about->koha |
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chris_n |
in the staff interface |
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wajasu |
where should i look |
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chris_n |
in the staff client, 'About' |
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wajasu |
i'm ssh'd into the server from home with only command line. |
| 20:03 |
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wajasu |
1 minute |
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chris_n |
cat kohaversion.pl |
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wajasu |
3.01.00.111 |
| 20:03 |
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chris_n |
you can also test your zebra with the yaz-client |
| 20:04 |
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cait |
bug 4416++ |
| 20:04 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4416 normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, renew all and return all buttons too close together |
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wajasu |
i'll try the yaz client now |
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chris_n |
wajasu: you might want to check the zebra username/password |
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chris_n |
verify the ones in koha-conf.xml |
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chris_n |
match those in zebradb/etc/passwd |
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owen |
Re: Bug 4416, one of my librarians questioned the need for a "renew all" button given the fact that we have a "select all" link under the Renew column. |
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cait |
I have given back a lot of books by accident (very bad when you are testing notices and fines) |
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chris_n |
ok, gotta run, bbl |
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cait |
I think renew all is ok, but its too easy to click on renew all instead of renew selected |
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wajasu |
i recall changing a passwd for kohaadmin for the staff. maybe its not synced. I'll check. |
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cait |
owen: often I mark one or more items and klick on renew all or return all |
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nengard |
can someone tell me what is 'earliest hold date' on the holds to pull report? |
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owen |
nengard: Since the report might list a title with multiple holds, I guess the report shows the date of the earliest one |
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nengard |
earliest one what? earliest available? earliest placed? |
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nengard |
first patron to receive the item? |
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owen |
The earliest hold date (being the hold for the patron who is next in line for it) |
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wizzyrea |
it suddenly got very quiet |
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richard |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
hi richard :) |
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richard |
hi wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
I can't remember... bulk patron edits, in 3.2? |
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wizzyrea |
also, update patrons from child to adult |
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wizzyrea |
easy or hard to implement? |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea: I recall some kind of automatic child to adult script... |
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sekjal |
it'd be pretty straightforward to write, then put on a nightly cron. |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
well that was what I thought |
| 20:51 |
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chris_n |
back |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea |
I think we had them do "DB maintenance" once to do that for us |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea |
which we paid for |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea |
and it seems dumb |
| 20:51 |
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wizzyrea |
to pay for such things, it should be so easy |
| 20:52 |
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sekjal |
so long as you had date of birth in the child records |
| 20:52 |
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* chris_n |
wonders how much money is made doing easy things |
| 20:52 |
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chris_n |
and why he never gets a shot at them :-) |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
you are clearly too nice. |
| 20:53 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
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* chris_n |
shows all his teeth and growls |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
well I suppose you wouldn't update a child that didn't have a birthdate |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
just report it out |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
"these children were not updated: cause, no birthdate" |
| 20:54 |
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wizzyrea |
nope, still not scary |
| 20:55 |
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wajasu |
one things i notice in the logs (which might have been zebraqueue, was searches that look like someone cut and pasted a text marc record in the search field.) |
| 20:56 |
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wajasu |
for the past week. tons of entries. |
| 20:57 |
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wajasu |
my koha-opac-error_log is >17MB and only me and one other have done at most 200 queries on the search field of the opac. |
| 20:58 |
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wajasu |
i'll see if now that the zebraqueue is stopped, if that goes away. |
| 20:58 |
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wajasu |
i'm going to look into the table. |
| 21:05 |
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chris |
back |
| 21:07 |
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chris |
i wonder if someone should reply to the koha.org thread on the mailing list, pointing out the ptfs edits of wikipedia? |
| 21:07 |
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wizzyrea |
well they're all gone now |
| 21:07 |
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chris |
still all in the history |
| 21:08 |
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chris |
and it does show the environment in which we are operating |
| 21:08 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe it would be better to just say that we've cleaned up the wikipedia entry |
| 21:09 |
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wizzyrea |
to more accurately reflect the current state of the project. |
| 21:09 |
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chris |
could be |
| 21:09 |
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chris_n |
and suggesting that further edits be left to the appointed leaders of the community |
| 21:09 |
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chris |
i dont think we wanna go that far |
| 21:09 |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't really fall in that category |
| 21:09 |
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chris_n |
or at least be run by the list |
| 21:09 |
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chris |
but sticking to the facts might be nice |
| 21:09 |
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wizzyrea |
chris: have you looked at it since I finished with it? |
| 21:09 |
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* chris_n |
imagines a long drawn out series of oppsing edits ensuing |
| 21:10 |
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chris |
chris_n: wikipedia stamp that out pretty fast |
| 21:10 |
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chris |
they will lock the page if they have to |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
can you suggest that they do so? |
| 21:10 |
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chris |
wizzyrea: yep much better, but that really isnt the issue IMHO |
| 21:10 |
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* chris_n |
is a bit releaved to hear that |
| 21:10 |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't work with editing wikipedia much |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
oh I know it's not the issu |
| 21:10 |
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wizzyrea |
but I did change other stuff too |
| 21:11 |
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chris |
the issue is that ptfs have decided to attack the community, openly in public |
| 21:11 |
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chris_n |
it all seems a bit childish imho |
| 21:11 |
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chris |
and i think people should be aware of that |
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chris_n |
heya larsw |
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chris_n |
nice work on the deb packages |
| 21:11 |
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larsw |
thank you |
| 21:12 |
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chris_n |
chris: some sort of post might not be out of order |
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sekjal |
larsw++ |
| 21:13 |
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chris |
ill give it a day or 2 |
| 21:13 |
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chris |
certainly if its edited again |
| 21:14 |
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chris |
man, what a waste of energy |
| 21:14 |
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wizzyrea |
no kidding |
| 21:14 |
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wizzyrea |
oh yes, larsw++ |
| 21:15 |
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sekjal |
I'm very excited about "sudo apt-get install koha" becoming a reality |
| 21:15 |
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larsw |
stop that, I am only an 8-bit variable, you're going to overflow me |
| 21:15 |
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larsw |
(kidding aside: thank you, it feels good to get feedback) |
| 21:15 |
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wizzyrea |
sekjal: omg, no kidding. |
| 21:15 |
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* wizzyrea |
puts that in angry twitter guy's face |
| 21:16 |
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sekjal |
then, with the .deb, we can easily have a turnkeylinux app |
| 21:16 |
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* wizzyrea |
squees! |
| 21:17 |
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larsw |
I have a preliminary koha.deb, but it doesn't work out of the box yet; chris is helping me iron out the problems, and I will let koha-devel know when I have something that is safe for other people to try |
| 21:18 |
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sekjal |
thanks, larsw! I'll happily put it through it's paces when it's ready |
| 21:18 |
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chris |
a patch i sent for fixing the libxml issue should help with that, i must check that with gmcharlt |
| 21:18 |
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gmcharlt |
chris: I'm strongly tempted to stick that into MARC::File::XML |
| 21:19 |
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gmcharlt |
but at any rate, if you wouldn't mind s/write/right/ on the patch |
| 21:19 |
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chris |
ahh doh |
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chris |
yeah can do |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
i love git commit --amend, make a branch, cherry pick fix the files git add git commit --amend and away you go |
| 21:20 |
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chris |
will do that right now |
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chris |
i switched half way through and started saying correct, so ill just s/write/correct/ |
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chris |
on the bad ones and resubmit |
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wajasu |
can anyone give me a quick example command line for a yaz-cliinet search. I'm trying to figure out auth/open, etc.. |
| 21:29 |
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chris_n |
wajasu: check the list archives; there are several threads dealing with the yaz-client |
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wajasu |
ok |
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chris |
gmcharlt: just rebasing the 2505 changes add a couple of conflicts, fixing now |
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chris |
sent |
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chris |
off to a meeting bbl |
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wajasu |
connected with yaz-client and did a search and got 49 results. so the zebra server/index is not the problem at the moment. |
| 22:59 |
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wajasu |
when i search thru the opac, it seems the search never hits the zebrasrv |
| 23:00 |
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wajasu |
so maybe its a permissions problem. or an error inthe search.pl might be short circuiting things. |
| 23:05 |
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chris |
wasaju: you do have nozebra switched off? |
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wajasu |
if i see 'use of uninitialize value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 468 which looks up $params->{'offset'} ... |
| 23:06 |
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wajasu |
i'm going to have to see if my staff person messed with prefs. |
| 23:06 |
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wajasu |
is there a mysql table tht logs changes? |
| 23:07 |
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wajasu |
i might be able to do a query to see their changes. |
| 23:07 |
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wajasu |
i'll check nozebra. |
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chris |
not for sysprefs i dont think |
| 23:11 |
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wajasu |
i queried sysprefs and saw NoZebra with value 1 |
| 23:11 |
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chris |
ah ha |
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chris |
therein lies the problem |
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chris |
change that to 0 |
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chris |
and try your search in the opac |
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wajasu |
i think i accidently ran rebuild_nozebra.pl then ctrl-c'd it. |
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wajasu |
so it might have changed that? |
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* chris |
is very happy to see email from cfouts |
| 23:12 |
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chris |
it is possible |
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wajasu |
thx, i will check it out later. got a meeting for a couple of hours. |
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* chris |
answers |
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brendan |
chris: I think that nozebra will be the trick |
| 23:32 |
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brendan |
when it comes down to it - it's always the easiest answer eh? |
| 23:32 |
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chris |
yep |
| 23:33 |
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chris |
always best to look like a dork and ask the obvious questions |
| 23:33 |
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brendan |
:) |
| 23:33 |
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brendan |
tried that with - is zebra running? |
| 23:33 |
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chris |
:) |
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* brendan |
needs to go more dorky |
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* chris_n |
asked the same questions twice... does that qualify? |
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chris |
thats just forgetful :) |
