IRC log for #koha, 2010-04-28

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03:54 chris hi Amit_G
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04:44 brendan heya Amit_G
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05:02 Amit_G heya jo
05:04 chris hello paul_p in the netherlands
05:05 jo hi Paul
05:11 wajasu got my zebra working.
05:12 chris it was nozebra eh?
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05:19 JoannRansom testing
05:19 wajasu yes. nozebra.  I accifentally ran and canceled it and then it must have switched the flag. Or else staff did it.
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05:20 wajasu I know bulk import turns catalogin off and puts it back at the end.  so i assume rebuild mmight do the same.  to lazy to look now.
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05:21 wajasu gnight. thx for the help tracking that down.
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05:42 cait good morning
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07:08 kf good morning #koha
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07:17 Amit_G heya kf
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07:28 chris evening kf
07:30 kf morning chris :)
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08:47 kf hm, I have a problem sending hold notices by email from head - can somebody else test this too? first I had a problem because hold_print notice was missing, so I added it. but my patron has an email adress and no mail was generated.
08:47 chris theres nothing in the message queue table eh?
08:48 kf nothing in the patron notices tab, I did not check the mysql table
08:48 kf give me a mom
08:48 kf a moment
08:52 kf no
08:54 kf chris: still there? :)
08:54 chris yep
08:54 chris was just looking at the code
08:55 chris ill try to test it tomorrow at work and let you know
08:55 kf ok
08:55 kf I wanted to test a complete different thing : umlauts in email subjects
08:55 kf thought holds notice would be the fastest thing
08:56 kf hm, checkout notice...
08:57 kf chris: thanks :)
09:01 kf chris: checkout and checkin notice were generated
09:04 chris cool
09:06 kf but no hold notice, I did another test :(
09:08 chris righto, it doesnt need a cron job running to generate them or something?
09:08 kf chris: first case was a book that was not on loan when placing the hold and I got no entry in messaging
09:08 kf I want email hold notices, not print :)
09:08 kf print would need a cronjob I think
09:08 chris umm i think email does too
09:08 chris but im not sure
09:09 kf I can retest this on our other test installation, but there seems to be a problem, because I did another test with a book checked out to another patron, placed a hold, checked in - now I have an entry in messaging:
09:10 kf printTestpending2010-04-28 11:07:02
09:10 kf although the user has an email address
09:10 chris hmm
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11:19 Irinie Hi
11:20 Irinie Good morning
11:21 chris hi Irinie
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11:24 Irinie Need your help please, I Install Koha 229 on a server, it seem working fine. but the Member modules doesn't save any new member registration
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11:24 chris are you using windows?
11:25 Irinie yes
11:25 chris 2.2.9 is very very old
11:25 chris and unsupported anymore i am afraid
11:25 Irinie could we install another new verson on windows
11:26 chris not without lots and lots of work
11:26 chris you could run it inside a virtual machine though
11:27 Irinie it is inside a virtual server
11:27 chris you installed 2.2.9 on linux, in a virtual machine on windows??
11:28 Irinie in a virtual machine on Windows
11:29 chris sorry what?
11:29 chris if you have a virtual machine running linux, on your windows machine (say using vmware) you could run koha 3.0.5 on that
11:31 Irinie but we don't use linux
11:32 chris i am saying you could run linux inside a virtual machine, on your windows server
11:35 Irinie Ok I will refer to the It and reply to you soon
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11:42 Amit_G heya jwagner
11:43 chris_n g'morning Amit_G, jwagner
11:43 chris_n and chris
11:44 chris heh
11:44 jwagner Morning, all
11:44 chris for a little while anyway :)
11:44 * jwagner wonders if chris EVER sleeps....
11:44 Amit_G heya chris_n
11:46 chris yep, i usually get 6 or more hours in
11:47 chris with young kids you get used to weird sleep routines tho :)
11:48 jwagner Nah, I think you just enjoy playing online too much to bother with sleep :-)
11:50 chris life would be easier if that were true :)
11:52 * chris_n just added an 8 week old puppy to his team of 4 young kids :-P
11:52 chris_n sleep is definitely illusive atm
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11:54 kf chris: yesterday you said 7 hours... ;)
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11:55 kf jwagner: I have a problem with emailing hold notices - I think the print notice "got in the way" - could you test on head? I had a patron with email adress and message preferences for hold notices, but got a line with "print" in messages and another time I got no notice at all
11:56 kf could = if you have an installation, I cant send notices at home and searching for someone who can confirm there is a bug or not :)
11:58 jwagner kf, see Bug 4386 -- our original feature worked fine for emailing hold notices.  BibLibre took that & expanded on it, and I think something they did broke it.  I verified that it was a problem at current head; still works in our systems.
11:58 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4386 major, P2, ---,, NEW, New print notice feature not obeying email address for hold notices
11:58 jwagner Other than that, I haven't had time to look at it.
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12:04 kf jwagner: aaah, I did not find it - thx!
12:15 kf jwagner: I mark the bug as blocker because email hold notices dont work now
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12:17 * jdavidb waves to kf and owen
12:18 * owen grumbles
12:20 gmcharlt good morning
12:29 * kf waves to jdavidb and owen and sends some chocolate medicine
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12:31 owen Thanks kf that would probably help!
12:31 jwagner Hey!  Where's MINE???
12:32 * jwagner wants chocolate too :-(
12:32 * kf sends more chocolate to jwagner
12:32 * jwagner smiles
12:32 kf :)
12:33 * jwagner sends chocolate back to kf as thanks
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12:33 * owen thinks jwagner taught his 3yo some tricks for getting his way
12:33 kf chocolate exchange program :)
12:34 jwagner owen, ME?  I've never even SEEN your 3yo.  Any bad habits he's developed must be coming from his parents, methinks.
12:34 kf oh, a library asked about a module for ... exchange of publications(?) - does someone know how this could be done with koha or if there is development planned?
12:35 kf not sure if this is special for our libraries
12:35 jdavidb interlibrary loan, kf?
12:35 kf no
12:35 kf the institution of the library publishes a book and the books are send to different other institutions
12:35 kf and they get publications from those institutions
12:36 kf I think you need to manage adresses of your exchange partners and mark the items
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12:37 jdavidb hm..  That wouldn't be a huge extension, I wouldn't think.  Could manage the exchange partners as a fixed patron class, maybe, if you just need to keep a mailing list.
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12:37 kf my problem is, I never worked with such a module, but I get asked for it
12:38 kf I think a lot of it could be done with reports and perhaps you could manage them as patron or vendor
12:38 kf but it seems this is not common in other libraries?
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12:39 gmcharlt kf: doesn't sound like that practice is common in US academic libraries
12:39 jdavidb I've not heard of it in this country; generally, if a library is going to publish something in larger quantity, they'll send it out to a publishing company, I'd think.
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12:40 jdavidb (or have their academic institution's private press do it)
12:41 kf jdavidb: publishing is not the problem, but they give the finished publications to other libraries for free
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12:41 kf and get publications back from them
12:41 gmcharlt how strictly do you need to audit them?
12:42 gmcharlt i.e., if a library fails to send you their publications, does your workflow need to be able to detect that
12:42 kf Im not sure, I have to get more information about the process, I had hoped its a more common practice
12:42 gmcharlt ?
12:42 jdavidb Most of that here would be handled by the publishing company; you'd send them a "courtesy copy" list, and they'd send 'em out when the publication came out.
12:42 kf I think in some cases yes,
12:43 kf jdavid: dont tell me, tell the libraries :)
12:45 jwagner The nearest equivalent I can think of in the US would be the federal depository libraries -- libraries designated to get a copy of every federal publication.  There isn't a reciprocal (the libraries don't send the gov't anything in return) and I don't know how the libraries track receipt of federal publications.
12:46 jwagner I know a few depository sites -- I could ask around if it would help any.  But I imagine they just get publications in the mail & catalog as normal.  I doubt there's any kind of tracking.
12:48 gmcharlt US govt depository libraries do get to select what subset of the documents to get
12:48 gmcharlt and there are shipping lists that they can refer to
12:49 gmcharlt to ensure that they get what they're supposed to
12:49 gmcharlt not sure how amenable that is to machine processing
12:49 gmcharlt also, a lot of libraries use thrid-party vendors such as MARCIVE to supply them with catalog records for the government documents
12:51 jwagner Thanks, gmcharlt -- that's more detail than I knew :-)
12:51 kf jwagner&gmcharlt: thx
12:51 kf I just talked to my colleague
12:52 kf she told me its about tracking who got what publication, lists of who got what from the library and who wants what and so on
12:52 kf have to think about it a bit more
12:52 kf an example: museum libraries exchange their exhibition catalogs
12:55 schuster I worked with Gov docs for awhile and there are programs to track what you have received or not received from the government.  Most of them are Serial type items
12:57 schuster kf sounds more like an ILL type situation to track what you have sent out, or are you trying to track what you should be getting?
12:57 kf both, but you are never getting things back
12:57 schuster So backup - what is the ultimate goal you are trying to achieve?
12:58 schuster But there would be a record that it was sent.
12:58 schuster It would be a courtesy also to provide at least a shell of a MARC record to those you are sending the document to.  Why not make them epublications?
12:58 kf and some kind of report, I was also told there should be a balance
12:59 kmkale I have recently had a requirement from a multi branch library which does central purchasing and despatches the books to branches. They needed tracking of this within koha
12:59 kmkale possible?
13:00 kf schuster: some time ago a student would have to print about 50 and more copies of his thesis and the library would send them out to other libraries - today many things are published on institution repositories
13:00 schuster I wonder if you could use KETE for something like this in an e format?  That way the items wouldn't have to be "sent" but would be available to everyone.
13:00 kf schuster: this is about printed publications, books, journals
13:00 schuster Yes - I was talking with a doctorate student that indicated they had to provide the finished copy 1 hard, 1 PDF, 1 word editor type document for repository purposes.
13:01 schuster kf the problem with books journals is single use - I do like paper personally, but there is storage, space, and convenience - e - manages all of those concerns.
13:02 kf schuster: you dont need to convince me - although I think some things are more enjoyable in print form
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13:02 schuster kmkale - depends on how much tracking you want?  In 3.2 I believe there is more of this type of tracking available.  Maybe jwagner can expound on that as I believe PTFS did the development?
13:03 kmkale they wanted to be able to scan the barcodes on despatch in to koha and on recieving end again scan barcodes and do a reconciliation
13:03 schuster kf - yes but even if you had it available in - e - format you could indicate who they could ILL the paper from rather than 5 institutions holding it?
13:04 kmkale to track number of books sent = number received as well as correct books received at the correct branch
13:05 schuster kmkale - from what I know when the item is created it goes into "processing" and then when the library receives it checks it in making it available.  Seems like Dynix had something similar to what you are asking for but Koha doesn't have that unless you use maybe a transfer process?
13:05 jwagner schuster, I've lost track -- what are you asking me about?
13:05 kf schuster: I kind of lost track too :(
13:05 schuster kmkale was asking about central processing and dispatching items.
13:05 kmkale yes central purchase and despatch to branches
13:06 schuster kf - sorry started mixing topics here.
13:06 kmkale and sorry I jumped in
13:06 jwagner No, we haven't done anything along those lines.  Reading back, I think you may be referring to our in processing/shelving cart feature.  I suppose it might have some uses along those lines, but it wasn't developed for that purpose.
13:06 schuster kmkale seems like you could do that with transfer - but it would be a lot of repetitive motion scanning on both ends.
13:07 kmkale how does transfer work? haven't used it before
13:07 kmkale and can we get reco reports of transfers?
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13:11 kf ok, meeting now - thx for your input!
13:11 kmkale Got it in docs
13:11 kmkale but i dont think it will meet the purpose & requirement here
13:11 kmkale I was thinking of writing a small separate web app for this
13:12 kmkale but please let me know if you have any ideas on how to acchieve this from within Koha
13:12 schuster kmkale - probably isn't exactly what you are looking for, but maybe could be tweaked for central processing purposes?  through the cataloging menu add "distribution" which you could take that same bit of code, but have it also change the current/home when it was checked in.
13:13 kmkale shuster: not sure I understand
13:15 schuster The processing center would have its own location - so when you "dispatch" the item from the processing center it would indicate - Home library is who it is sending to, current library would be processing center.  When it gets checked in both would be changed to Home library.
13:15 schuster which I assume is who you are sending the item to.
13:15 kmkale they want to create the bib and inter the item, generate barcode and then send it to the branch which will just put it on shelf and start lending. ( after doing the received reconciliation of course )
13:16 schuster Seems like transfer would work for that...  We run an ILL report for items that are "in transit" from A to B to find items that didn't make it "home".
13:16 kmkale do you mean we use the normal circulation mech to send the item and use check out at processing center and check in at receiving branch?
13:18 kmkale Functionally it will work. but for reporting. let me try using transfer and see what kind of report I can generate
13:18 kmkale thanks shuster
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14:55 jcamins Does anyone know if it is possible to overlay records in Koha?
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14:57 jcamins (to clarify: I'm looking to overlay records in bulk so I can do name authority work outside of Koha)
14:57 jcamins (we're using 3.2-alpha)
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15:16 kmkale @help
15:16 munin kmkale: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
15:18 jwagner gmcharlt, online?
15:18 gmcharlt yep
15:26 jcamins Are there any guidelines on submitting features as patches? We have made a number of customizations, and would like to contribute them for 3.4, but I'm not real clear on the use of, e.g., system preferences.
15:28 wizzyrea[…]lopment:git_usage
15:28 jwagner There's also[…]odingguidelines&s[]=coding&s[]=guidelines
15:28 wizzyrea[…]portingfornewbies
15:29 wizzyrea oh, good one jwagner
15:29 wizzyrea
15:29 wizzyrea as well
15:29 wizzyrea so.. yes, would be the answer to that
15:29 wizzyrea :)
15:30 * jwagner mumbles something about not all of us actually FOLLOWING the guidelines, but.....
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15:31 jwagner And yes, I'm talking about myself :-)
15:31 wizzyrea hehe
15:31 wizzyrea jwagner: I hadn't actually SEEN this page before
15:31 wizzyrea so thanks for the link
15:32 jwagner Various people of the techie persuasion have been trying to work it up lately -- I just remembered the discussion.
15:32 kf jcamins: we get our authorities from our union catalog, afaik it overlays records with the same identifier
15:33 kf jcamins: there is a script for bulkauthimport in 3.0, I think its integrated in bulkmarcimport in 3.2
15:33 kf jcamins: I have not tested that yet
15:34 jcamins wizzyrea: Oh, look at that. I'd never seen the instructions one.
15:34 wizzyrea hehe!
15:35 jcamins kf: I'm trying to overlay bib records, and it seems that bulkmarcimport will either create duplicate records, or ignore duplicate records, but won't replace. Unless I'm doing something wrong, which is quite possible.
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15:38 kf jcamins: look at the staged marc import
15:38 kf sorry, emergency here
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15:40 * jwagner sends kf more chocolate to help with the emergency.
15:42 kf thx, I need it :)
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15:43 kf jcamins: staged marc import can work with matching points and overlay, we even us it on command line
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15:45 jcamins kf: I'm just poking at it now, but it looks like this is what we need.
15:46 kf jcamins: until today (import emergency right now...) it worked really well, we match by 001 which contains the unique control number from our union catalog
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15:50 jcamins kf: It's a shame that they never bothered with unique 001s before, here.
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15:53 jcamins kf: Is there any reason we can't use 999c? That's guaranteed unique, after all.
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15:56 kf I think you can build a matching rule on 999c too, but I think this is a number generated by koha?
15:57 jcamins Yes. I only want to overlay those records that are already in Koha.
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15:57 kf but do you have that 999c number in the records you want to import?
15:58 jcamins Yes, the records I'm importing were all exported from Koha earlier.
16:02 jcamins That's amazing!
16:04 jcamins (it worked beautifully, for the first 100 records)
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16:08 kf jcamins: yes, its a great tool, you can also undo imports
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16:17 jcamins I guess now I just have to figure out how to deal with item records with this.
16:29 schuster pazpar2 setup/configuration - I noticed in the MARCH newsletter(thank you again Nicole) that someone was working with pazpar2 again to get it to "discover" books etc from gutenberg etc...
16:30 schuster Is there any more technical information about getting that setup?  It was a brief article but intriguing.
16:38 kf schuster: chris did some work on that, search the irc logs - there were some instructions and two patches on chris' git
16:39 kf schuster: wanted to try it according to this inforamtion myself, but had no time yet
16:39 kf bye #koha :)
16:41 schuster thanks kf
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16:43 wizzyrea bbl, but I want some help/feedback on this:[…]loper-guidelines/
16:43 wizzyrea links, additional requested verbiage, etc
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16:44 wizzyrea scratch that link
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17:28 schuster so is that chris really here?
17:28 owen Probably a little early for him
17:29 schuster Sorry I keep dropping in and out not sure what's wrong with my internet.
17:29 zico brenden: hello, how are you all?
17:29 schuster Ok - I was going to ask a pazpar2 question.  I'll hold it for later... ;)  LUNCH!
17:29 zico thank you all for helping me to solve the problem of fine calculation
17:29 zico but, i am facing another problem
17:30 zico after completing the fine, if same user goes for another book, he/she cannot issue anything
17:30 zico if you want, i can paste this image to somewhere
17:31 zico i mean, i took the screenshot from my server
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17:50 zico is there anyone who can help me?
17:58 zico is there anyone who can help me?
17:58 zico say... Mr. A took a book which had fine
17:58 zico he completed his outstanding fine
17:59 zico then, he want to take another book... so.. i just entered that barcode of that book, but... he is unable to check out that book
17:59 zico i mean... this message is not coming... "Please confirm Checkout? Yes/No"... this is not coming
18:00 jwagner zico, did that patron record get marked as debarred?
18:00 jwagner Does the patron owe any more money for anything else?  Check the value in the noissuescharge syspref.
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18:06 zico jwagner: i am very sorry to let you know that, i cannot understand the meaning of "marked as debarred"! Can you help me a little?
18:07 zico jwagner: the value of noissuecharge is given "10" ... so.....
18:10 jwagner If you edit a patron record, down near the bottom is a section called Patron Account Flags.  One of the entries is Debarred.  If that's set to yes, the patron will not be able to borrow anything.
18:11 jwagner The noissuescharge syspref is a threshold -- if the patron owes more than that amount, then checkouts are blocked.
18:14 zico jwagner: no, the Patron
18:14 zico Account Flag is not set to Deburred!
18:14 jwagner Then I'm out of ideas :-(
18:15 wizzyrea_laptop zico: are you sure you have a default rule in your circ settings?
18:16 zico wizzyrea_laptop: we have modified our circ settings.
18:16 wizzyrea_laptop I was afk, maybe someone already asked that
18:16 wizzyrea_laptop but do you have a default rule?
18:16 zico what default rule?
18:17 wizzyrea_laptop 1s I'll screencap
18:18 zico wizzyrea_laptop: do u want screenshots?
18:18 wizzyrea_laptop nope, I'm going to cap you an example of the rules I'm talking about
18:20 zico i cannot understand you point. :(
18:23 wizzyrea_laptop ok, just a minute :)
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18:28 wizzyrea_laptop sorry for the delay there
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18:36 zico wizzyrea_laptop: are you giving this to me? this link?
18:37 wizzyrea_laptop yes, though I think maybe I missed the important part of your problem. I still think it's something to do with your rules though
18:37 zico ok, lemme check
18:40 zico wizzyrea_laptop: are you talking about "default" rule?
18:40 wizzyrea_laptop yep
18:40 zico there in my koha, there is nothing like this... i mean.. there is nothing called for "Default"
19:03 zico wizzyrea_laptop: here is the problem...[…]aa59-8275af04b439
19:04 zico i cannot see any window like "please confirm checkout"!!
19:06 wizzyrea_laptop so that happens when someone tries to check something out but they have fines?
19:07 wizzyrea_laptop kind of like this enhancement requesT?
19:07 wizzyrea_laptop[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3496
19:07 munin Bug 3496: enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, Override maximum fine at checkout
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19:25 jcamins Is there anyone about who understands bib1 attributes?
19:27 jcamins I'm trying to understand why the bib1.att file calls Use attribute 30 'copydate' and what the ramifications might be of changing that to 'date' (since in fact Use attribute 30 is supposed to include the data in MARC21 033, too).
19:28 owen Grrr.. Placing multiple holds at once from a list will override the maxreserves limit >:(
19:30 wizzyrea_laptop !! hiss
19:31 zico so...i can understand that, this is a bug
19:31 zico what can i do now???
19:32 jwagner owen, hence my patch on Bug 3093 to turn off that multiple holds button.
19:32 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3093 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Enhance placing of holds in staff interface
19:33 jwagner I sent that patch in November, but I don't think it's ever been pushed.
19:33 cait jcamins: I think copydate is the index name, look at record.abs if 033 is indexed there too
19:34 owen jwagner: Can you explain your last comment on that bug? What problems was it causing?
19:34 jwagner Some of what you were having, also problems with it not blocking holds between branches.
19:34 jcamins cait: It is not. There is a commented out line: #melm 033  Date
19:35 jwagner owen, in particular, the original feature didn't have item-level holds, and it was placing next available holds without regard for the branches.  Some of that was fixed by setting the hold policies in the circ rules, but it was a problem.
19:35 cait zebra configuration is spread in 3 files, is involved too
19:35 jcamins I added a completely separate index, since we use 033s to hold auction dates, but that doesn't seem quite right.
19:36 owen jwagner: So the problem with multiple holds not obeying the maxreserves limit is resolved by disabling multiple holds?
19:36 jcamins cait: (it works fine, but I feel like I may have created more of a maintenance headache than is absolutely needed)
19:36 jwagner It's a workaround, not a fix :-)
19:36 jwagner If they have to place holds on each individual title, then it obeys the limits.  It's just the multihold feature that doesn't work right.
19:37 cait jcamins: I know what you mean, we have an separate index for inventory numbers - an additional field in items
19:37 schuster Question for those running 3.2 alpha(and I have an old one at that) - I'm in the admin tools - with items in my "cart" when I click on the cart to see those 2 items I am getting an error:
19:38 schuster "software error" Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 1336."contact your webmaster"...
19:38 cait oh, looks familiar
19:39 jcamins cait: Is this something worth bringing up on koha-devel, do you think? The bib1 standard specifies 033 (obviously this would be a change for 3.4, not 3.2... most people probably don't use 033)
19:40 cait perhaps ask gmcharlt about it, I dont know enough about z39.50
19:41 cait and open discussion is never a bad idea :)
19:41 gmcharlt indeed not
19:42 gmcharlt enabling use attribute 33 shouldn't be a big deal
19:43 gmcharlt but now I'm confusing myself - since when did bib1 actually specify a MARC mapping?
19:43 jcamins gmcharlt:
19:43 gmcharlt ah, that's distinct from the bib-1 attribute set itself
19:44 schuster chris_n about?  question about label printing...
19:45 jcamins Yeah, but right now Koha's configuration files call use attribute 30 'copydate' and if we enable 033 in record.abs, and want it to match to use attribute 30, that would be confusing.
19:45 gmcharlt yep
19:45 gmcharlt I think that would be the main thing holding back just uncommenting the melm line
19:46 gmcharlt is whether there would be an issue with slightly changing the semantics on the pubdate sorting
19:46 chris_n schuster: here
19:46 jcamins I think Koha uses use attribute 31 for pubdate.
19:46 schuster When it puts the text on the screen for the individual spine label is that controlled anywhere for font size or you get what you get?
19:47 jcamins (checking on that now)
19:47 zico Guys.... what can i do??? :D
19:48 chris_n schuster: I assume you are referring to the size of the font on the spine label itself?
19:48 zico do u have any suggestions for my overdued patrons?? :)
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19:48 schuster chris_n yes font size
19:50 chris_n schuster: fontsize is set in the layout
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19:51 chris_n edit the layout for your spine label and look near the bottom of the screen
19:51 chris_n there you can adjust three attributes of the text: alignment, font type, font size
19:52 schuster OK I'll poke around a little more on that.
19:52 jcamins So far as I can tell, copydate (use attribute 30) isn't actually used anywhere. The only mention outside of the configuration is in, in the list of all indexes.
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19:56 jcamins cait: If you're still around, I have a question for you about the 77x linking you're working on (I think you had said you were working on 77x linking?)
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19:57 cait jcamins: yes, although I had not time the last days, I hope it will be better once I get my own virtual box koha on my computer at work next week
19:58 cait jcamins: the problem is, I m not sure how it will work for other libraries (meaning international)
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19:59 jcamins Okay. My question is as follows: we actually customized the linking more than what was in the patches I submitted. I don't really know how to make our additional customizations useful to others. But you might. Would it be of any use to you if I sent you the customized XSLT files?
19:59 cait jcamins: our libraries catalog in the union catalog and I get links with unique id numbers in $w, I already have a patch for an index record-control-number, but I think I need to add some more fields for linking by isbn and issn?
19:59 jcamins (I'll find an example of what we did... one moment)
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20:00 cait of course you can send them to me, but cant promise anything - im not really a programmer but the only person available to add this functionality. and ourlibraries really need this.
20:00 jcamins[…]l?biblionumber=20
20:00 cait will of course try not to break anything and I hope I can make it work better for other libraries too
20:01 jcamins I think that link works. The relevant point is below the subjects, where the link to "Numismatica Antichita Classiche" points to a query by ISSN.
20:01 cait sorry, this link does not work for me
20:01 zico hello
20:01 jcamins Okay, I'll try the other one.
20:01 zico hello
20:01 zico is there any way to manage patron with overdue??
20:02 jcamins Ah. The server is down. Again. IT is working on it.
20:02 cait zico: I missed the description of your problem, is your problem a yellow box without text?
20:03 cait oh is really slow
20:03 zico cait: yes! it comes to such patrons who just paid their overdues
20:04 cait but the overdue items are still checked out?
20:05 cait bug 4036
20:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
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20:12 zico so... this is a bug
20:12 zico i cannot make anything for my patrons with overdue?
20:14 zico can i make anything for my patrons with overdue?
20:14 cait you could try fix it in your installation by changing the code, but the patch is not in head yet and im not sure it will work for 3.0.x - perhaps someone of the developers can help, I dont know git and perl good enough to help here :(
20:15 zico cait: changing code during installation?
20:15 zico i don`t get it! :)
20:17 cait Im sorry
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20:19 cait perhaps you will need to live with the bug until its fixed, you could add to the bug report, tht this is a problem in 3.0.x too
20:21 zico :( :(
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20:31 jcamins cait: I e-mailed you the XSLT (and a screenshot), in the hopes that it might be helpful to you.
20:32 cait jcamins: thank you!
20:33 cait jcamins: I will tell you about my progress
20:34 jcamins You're welcome. Hopefully it will be helpful. The linking is useful, but I don't feel like what I wrote (aside from the patch I already submitted) is really patch quality.
20:35 cait not sure I wil reach patch quality - but will try.
20:36 cait I already saved your other patches to look at them :)
20:36 jcamins Well, maybe between all the people who care about analytics we'll manage.
20:36 cait I think feedback from other librares with other cataloging practices is needed here - im not a cataloger and not a programmer, so will need some help
20:36 jcamins It would be very exciting if Koha had good analytic support... I think it would be the only ILS.
20:37 jcamins I'm a cataloger, but I stopped being a programmer five years ago.
20:37 cait I dont know, in our catalogs articles and links between records are very common
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20:39 chris back
20:39 cait hi chris
20:40 brendan wb chris
20:40 * chris looks forward to being able to go  git pull jcamins-repo/analytics_branch  :)
20:41 rich-away is now known as richard
20:43 jcamins chris: it's still in a state of flux, but our branch is in github, if you want to see it (see the list of public repositories on the wiki)
20:43 chris yup i looked, very cool
20:44 chris the more public repos the better
20:44 cait can you have a public repo when working with virtual box?
20:44 jcamins cait: Yes!
20:44 chris cait: yes use github or gitorious
20:44 jcamins cait: That's what I'm doing, actually.
20:45 schuster chris - question about pazpar2 - so if you are using pazpar you really don't use Zebra or you use it in conjunction?
20:45 chris conjunction
20:46 schuster Ah ok that makes more sense thank you.  I was trying to figure out why you would use Zebra at all if Pazpar has these other features!
20:46 cait jcamins: I will remember that :)
20:46 schuster Is the setup for pazpar2 documented well anywhere?
20:46 jcamins Clone a repository on github, and add it as a remote (github's instructions explain this). Then you just have to set up a public key, and you can use git push.
20:47 cait not sure I undestand it, still struggling with git a lot
20:47 jcamins Neither do I.
20:47 jcamins If you look through the IRC logs, though, someone (I forget who) is an expert, and was able to explain it to me.
20:48 jcamins Okay, time to close up before the security guards kick me out.
20:48 jcamins Have a good week, all.
20:48 cait yes, time for me too
20:48 cait good night #koha
20:48 wizzyrea_laptop good night cait
20:49 cait night liz!
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20:58 chris ohh another new developer cool
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21:03 brendan @wunder 93117
21:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 21.1�C (1:40 PM PDT on April 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Thursday...
21:05 chris @wunder wellington nz
21:05 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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21:32 jo Morning all
21:33 chris_n hey jo
21:33 jo hi Chris
21:33 rhcl_away Hi jo
21:34 jo fantastic email you wrote the other day about Koha community
21:34 brendan heya jo
21:34 chris hiya jo
21:34 jo who is rhcl?
21:34 jo (I know everyone else :)
21:34 chris_n thanks
21:35 rhcl_away Rolling Hills Consolidated Library - St. Joseph, MO
21:35 rhcl_away USA
21:35 rhcl_away oops
21:35 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
21:36 jo very good.
21:36 jo so dfid your parents call you Rolling Hills or do you have a real name?
21:37 jo (I'm a bit cheeky sometimes ... :)
21:37 chris_n hehe
21:37 rhcl Oh, actually I'll respond to lots of things, but Greg works.
21:37 jo cool  - hi Greg. Pleased to meet you
21:37 rhcl call all IRC clients not see the "Real Name"? It shows in my xchat so I just assumed everybody could see it.
21:37 rhcl s/call/can
21:38 brendan Jo = our resident "mover and shaker"
21:38 jo I can't see it... butthen I just pretend to know what I'm doing with tech stuff
21:38 chris_n jo: /whois rchl
21:38 rhcl uh, rhcl
21:38 chris_n opps
21:38 jo there you go ! see Ilearnt something
21:39 chris_n nice! its hard to learn people things these days ;-)
21:39 gmcharlt heh
21:40 * chris_n hears the grammar teacher in him groan
21:42 jo off to spend day working with chris on our 2nd test conversion of 2.2.9 to 3.2
21:42 jo and its looking beautiful :)
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