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chris |
hi magnus |
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magnus |
hi chris |
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magnus |
i see you have had some norwegian visitors in NZ... |
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chris |
heh, that made the news there? |
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chris |
they arent the most popular ppl in nz at the moment |
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magnus |
oh, yes |
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magnus |
completely understandable! |
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magnus |
we're not all like that, though... ;-) |
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chris |
hehe i know |
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magnus |
at least NZ got on the news here, can't remember the last time... |
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chris |
my parents visited norway last year, and my ex girlfriend lives there, she is married to a norwegian |
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magnus |
so when are you coming? ;-) |
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chris |
its on my list to do :) |
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magnus |
goody! make sure you come and visit Bodø, then! |
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chris |
lars (who is working on the debian packaging) tells me i have to visit finland too |
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magnus |
i had a couple days in Helsinki a couple years ago - nice city! |
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magnus |
if you need an excuse: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ |
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chris |
ohhh, ive kinda blown my travel budget for this year already, but maybe i can do next year :) |
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magnus |
that was early! |
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magnus |
good thing you don't have far to go for KohaCon, then! |
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chris |
yeah, its not my work budget, but my leaving wife with the kids budget :-) |
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magnus |
ahhh, i see ;-) |
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chris |
having to travel a bit round nz this year for koha stuff, and did singapore already |
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kf |
good morning |
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chris |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi chris |
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kf |
chris: any news about button translation? |
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chris |
hdl sent a patch, i have to test it with the frederics new translation script |
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chris |
let me check right now |
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paul_p |
hello world |
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chris |
hi paul_p |
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chris |
kf: rebuildng the po files now |
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kf |
chris: oh thank you! |
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kf |
just came back, we are playing with our new telephones :) |
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chris |
kf: http://translate.koha.org/de/intranet3_1/ |
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kf |
thx, will take a look later - have to solve another problem first |
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hdl_laptop |
chris I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable |
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hdl_laptop |
fredericd: I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable |
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hdl_laptop |
i should have told fredericd rather |
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kf |
chris: I think it worked - I found some button texts now, will ask my colleague to update our installation on Wednesday (when he is back) |
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chris |
cool |
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kf |
chris++ :) |
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kf |
hm, some strings are a bit problematic |
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kf |
" alt="" class="thumbnail" /> |
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kf |
">Click to open in new window |
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&type=xw10">Click to open in new window |
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kf |
from 3.2 opac |
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chris |
yes, the templates need to be fixed in those cases |
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kf |
ah ok :) |
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owen |
Hi #koha |
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jdavidb |
Hi, owen. :) |
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owen |
Anyone here have any advice about conducting inventory? |
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jdavidb |
"Doctor, it hurts when we do this." "Then don't do that." |
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owen |
:P |
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jdavidb |
hehehe. |
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jdavidb |
In nearly 20 years in Library IT, on three different ILSes, I've not yet seen a way to do inventory that didn't involve a substantial amount of pain and suffering. |
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owen |
jdavidb: Have you had any Koha clients conduct inventory using the built-in inventory tool? |
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jdavidb |
I haven't heard of any of our customers trying it yet, no. A couple have talked about it a little, but not seriously. Whether that's out of FUD from having done it on other systems, or because of lack of other resources to execute, I can't say. |
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jdavidb |
It seems to be one of those tools that everyone wants their ILS to have, but no one actually *wants* to use. |
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owen |
We've gone too long without an inventory, so we're going to take the plunge |
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owen |
The basic needs are pretty easily met: Check everything in, do a report on which items haven't been seen |
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jdavidb |
'bout like Unicorn's system, then. Mark everything "seen", then look for things that aren't checked out, but haven't been "seen" since before you started wanding items. |
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owen |
Right. I think the only thing we're going to want which isn't built in is a mass update of items not found. A global "missing in inventory" lost setting for those items. |
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jdavidb |
If you can snag the barcodes of all those items, should be easy enough to write a little script to shove 'em all past C4::Items::ModItem for that. |
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jdavidb |
C4::Items::ModItem++ # it takes care of marc and marcxml 952s, and reindexes when necessary, very intelligently. |
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jwagner |
owen, see Bug 4353 -- is this the correct approach? |
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munin` |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4353 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add div tags to staff advanced search page |
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owen |
jwagner: I think you could just add IDs to the existing divs couldn't you? |
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owen |
Or are the existing ones not in groupings you're looking for? |
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jwagner |
There weren't any existing divs in the staff advanced search. |
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jwagner |
OPAC, yes, but not staff |
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owen |
Oh sorry I was looking at the OPAC |
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owen |
Yes, absolutely |
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jwagner |
OK, I'll send this out as a patch in a few minutes. Thanks for checking. |
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hdl_laptop |
owen: we worked on inventory for 3.2. |
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hdl_laptop |
Some things were not really neat about circulation process. |
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hdl_laptop |
SHould be in master now. |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: Can you describe what kind of changes you made? |
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owen |
We're not using 3.2 in production, so I'm curious what kind of problems you've solved. |
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hdl_laptop |
mm it is not in master. |
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hdl_laptop |
Maybe not sent. |
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hdl_laptop |
But it was dealing with circulation and all the special status items. |
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owen |
I don't understand... "special status items?" |
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hdl_laptop |
http://imagebin.ca/view/mNT3OoF.html |
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hdl_laptop |
Here you are |
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hdl_laptop |
You can choose to ignore items which are "damaged", withdrawn.... |
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kf |
3297 words need attention ... it never ends |
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owen |
hdl_laptop: I see, when you're running post-inventory reports you can configure which statuses will be ignored |
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hdl_laptop |
you can even choose which items to consider IN your inventory |
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* owen |
prepares to go under |
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hands owen__ a life preserve |
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chris_n |
heya nengard |
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owen__ |
I always forget just how many times a VirtualBox upgrade will kill my connection |
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nengard |
hiya |
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chris_n |
s/preserve/preserver/ |
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kf |
hi nengard - hope you feel better |
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owen__ |
Hand me some preserves, it'll keep me out of a jam |
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nengard |
thanks kf - so far this morning is going much better |
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kf |
good to hear that! |
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nengard |
just have to get back into the swing of things - that's hard |
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owen__ |
nengard, I'll ask you what I asked jdavidb: Have any of your Koha libraries done inventory? |
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nengard |
not that i know of - i always show how to do it - but never had a library tell me after the fact that they did it |
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owen__ |
Well then nengard, hopefully I'll have an item for the May Koha newsletter: "Inventory: What are you all afraid of?" |
| 13:29 |
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owen__ |
Either that or "Inventory: Be very afraid!" |
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nengard |
awesome!! |
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nengard |
LOL |
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owen |
I can see a whole list of library-related articles based on horror movie tag lines: "Reference Desk: Don't. Fall. Asleep." |
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owen |
"Cataloging: No one can hear you scream (because you're in the basement)" |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
so with rfid, one presumably could just walk down the stacks and inventory would be automagic? |
| 13:34 |
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owen |
That's what we were told in 2001 or whenever we first heard about RFID at the library |
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owen |
In fact we were told that RFID would shelf-read for us too |
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chris_n |
shelf-read == tell if it is on the shelf or not? |
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owen |
Tell if the books are in order |
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* gmcharlt |
wonders if that has worked for anybody in practice |
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collum |
Shelf reading is traditionally the reward shelvers receive when there's nothing left to shelve. |
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owen |
gmcharlt: What I was later told was that no RFID technology can pinpoint the position of a tag that accurately |
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paul_p |
hello owen & chris_n & nengard & gmcharlt & collum : good morning ! |
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owen |
Hi paul_p |
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collum |
Do RFID scanners read from left to right or do they pick up the tag with the most strength? |
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collum |
Good morning paul_p |
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gmcharlt |
hi paul_p |
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collum |
If there is a stack of items with RFID tags? |
| 13:47 |
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owen |
collum: I think they pick up everything within their range without any sequence, but I don't really know |
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gmcharlt |
collum: I think it's less specific - distince of tag from scanner |
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gmcharlt |
I don't know how directional it is |
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collum |
I always wondered, but never investigated. |
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chris_n |
collum: it depends on the language the rfid tags are encoded in.... ;-) |
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chris_n |
if shelf-reading really worked, it seems that inventory would be instantaneous and continual |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
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chris_n |
howdy hdl_laptop & paul_p |
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owen |
If my shelf were intelligent and networked it could tell me if the right books were on it |
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collum |
Once again we come to my dream of RFID with GPS. |
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gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop |
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* collum |
as a bureaucrat wants to spend $20 so $10 items won't get lost. |
| 13:59 |
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* chris_n |
quickly casts his vote for collum |
| 14:00 |
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* gmcharlt |
votes for collum as long as he gets the equipment contract ;) |
| 14:02 |
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Sharon |
Good morning - quick question. Are there any limits to how long a Comment can be in the OPAC? I have a library who wants to encourage adding book reviews to the catalog. |
| 14:04 |
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owen |
Sharon: There's not a limit on the database field which contains the review text |
| 14:04 |
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owen |
(type: text) |
| 14:05 |
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Sharon |
great. So they can be long winded, if they want to be. Thank you, Owen. |
| 14:06 |
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* owen |
would love to hear if your library has success with their campaign |
| 14:07 |
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Sharon |
I'll keep and eye on it and report back! |
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juan |
asdfasdf |
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chris_n |
btegbteg |
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owen |
Mxyzptlk |
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* gmcharlt |
welcomes the invasion of cats, puppies, and small children to #koha ;) |
| 14:24 |
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rhcl |
So much better than the usual big children.... |
| 14:26 |
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kf |
gmcharlt: hi gmcharlt, still interested in marc21 data from our union catalog? |
| 14:26 |
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gmcharlt |
kf: I am |
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kf |
gmcharlt: I was a little worried to give you data from one of our libraries without asking them. But I talked to my colleague and she told me I can order the changes of one day in our union catalog with authorities but without holding data (dont know how big this will get...) - is this ok for you? |
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gmcharlt |
kf: sounds lovely |
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kf |
ok, I will write a ticket for my colleague to make you a nice package :) |
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juan |
hi all |
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juan |
i would like to talk about apache proxy and how session.pm handle ip remote addresses |
| 14:32 |
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juan |
when koha runs though a proxy server |
| 14:32 |
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juan |
it detects the ip from this proxy, not the real ip address of the visitor |
| 14:32 |
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juan |
and this is a problem, because Auth.pm do not works well |
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* chris_n |
seems to remember the need to setup the x-forward header |
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chris_n |
but I've never messed with apache proxy |
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chris_n |
only squid |
| 14:33 |
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juan |
but i think is the same situation |
| 14:34 |
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chris_n |
juan: maybe this will help: http://devcentral.f5.com/weblo[…]8/06/02/3323.aspx |
| 14:34 |
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juan |
i think Squid send the real ip in HTTP_FORWARED_FOR variable |
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chris_n |
s/x-forward/x-forwarded-for/ |
| 14:35 |
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juan |
i solved it changing Auth.pm and CGI/Session.pm |
| 14:35 |
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juan |
but i dont know if it was the better way |
| 14:37 |
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rhcl |
On this page: http://koha-community.org/category/3-2/ |
| 14:37 |
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rhcl |
The entry for Feb 3 reads: Tarballs of Koha 3.2 alpha available |
| 14:37 |
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rhcl |
But all the links are for 3.02. Is I missing something? |
| 14:38 |
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chris_n |
C4::Auth.pm and C4::Session.pm could be made to also check x-forwarded-for based on a syspref perhaps |
| 14:38 |
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rhcl |
I suppose 3.02 may be the pre 3.2, but maybe a quick line there could explain that? |
| 14:39 |
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juan |
i cha |
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rhcl |
Nevermind, if you read the third entry there's a quick reference to that. |
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rhcl |
Everybody back to sleep... |
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chris_n |
juan: see http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=390754 also |
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juan |
chris_n: I changed cpan's Session.pm, because it resolve only REMOTE_ADDR |
| 14:40 |
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juan |
chris_n: let me see |
| 14:40 |
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Sharon |
Another comments question - how does a patron delete a comment that has been approved? Is there a "my comments" tab that I'm just not seeing? |
| 14:40 |
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chris_n |
opps... but in any case, a fix to Koha's libs would certainly be welcomed I'm sure |
| 14:42 |
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chris_n |
juan: actually, that link to perlmonks probably does not apply here |
| 14:42 |
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gmcharlt |
Sharon: oddly, that facility doesn't current exist |
| 14:43 |
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juan |
chris_n: yes ..., I think koha does not take into account running it though a proxy |
| 14:43 |
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Sharon |
might have to put in an enhancement bug for that. There doesn't seem to be any easy way to delete an approved comment by either the patron or the librarian |
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juan |
gmcharlt: now, when I implement a koha into a new server, i have to put my Session.pm version and my C4::Auth.pm changed, but I think koha would be modified to take into account this issue |
| 14:45 |
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juan |
and if I dont have to change Session.pm from cpan, is better ... |
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chris_n |
juan: it seems you may need to be running mod_perl which iirc causes some issues for koha |
| 14:46 |
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gmcharlt |
juan: sure - send a patch; I'm pretty sure that the CGI::Session folks also accept patches |
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juan |
gmcharlt: a few months ago I send an email to CPAN Session.pm author, but i have no answer yet |
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gmcharlt |
eh, that's unfortunate |
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gmcharlt |
try opening a bug on CPAN and attaching the patch |
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juan |
gmcharlt: ok, i'll try |
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juan |
anyway, i will commit my changes to our repository in github |
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juan |
and you can evaluate them |
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juan |
when i have it commited, i'll send a message to koha-devel |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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juan |
It works perfect under a proxy, but i would receive any oppinion about this change |
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kf |
question :) I need to change the shelving location for a call range in 3.1.61 (no batch editing) - is there an easy way to do this? will it be enough to change items table and reindex? |
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jdavidb |
kf, you would save yourself some pain and suffering by getting the itemnumbers, and feeding them to C4::Items::ModItem. That would take care of the marc/marcxml changes, and the indexing, all in one run. |
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jmill2010 |
hi all |
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jmill2010 |
i have a question :) |
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kf |
jdavidb: not sure I know enough perl |
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kf |
jdavidb: will the other method work too? |
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jdavidb |
The other method won't change the marc/marcxml, so reindexing would not do any good. |
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jdavidb |
you'd need to run misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl, which would clean up the marc/marcxml, and reindex for you. |
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kf |
hm. ok, so I need to update marcxml and item in the database |
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jmill2010 |
some students (patrons) are allowed to check out certain books for the entire semester, how would you set that up in Koha, or is it a matter of just having the option to override at circ |
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kf |
is this script save in a production environment? |
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jdavidb |
yep. I've used it several times. |
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jdavidb |
it treats the item-table stuff as official, and recreates the 952s from it for all biblios. |
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kf |
jdavidb: I think this is the easiest way for us right now - thank you :) |
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jdavidb |
(and it pumps them into zebraqueue, so they'll reindex automatically.) |
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jdavidb |
you be4tcha. |
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jmill2010 |
i mean it can be any student, depending on financial need, and it can be any type of book, depending on availability |
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owen |
jmill2010: If it's a random combination of circumstances you'll probably have to use the "specify due date" widget on the circulation page |
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jmill2010 |
yes, owen, it is random |
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jmill2010 |
awesome |
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jmill2010 |
thanks! |
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jmill2010 |
just need to confirm :) |
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* jdavidb__ |
peers quizzically at jdavidb and jdavidb_. |
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kf |
clonesß |
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kf |
? |
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jdavidb__ |
Enough of me to get *half* of what I need to do finished, maybe. |
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kf |
i need clones too |
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ok, time to ignore my tickets :) - bye #koha |
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gmcharlt: hi, galen |
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