Time Nick Message 00:17 Nate gnight #koha! 07:12 chris evening 07:24 chris hi magnus 07:24 magnus hi chris 07:25 magnus i see you have had some norwegian visitors in NZ... 07:25 chris heh, that made the news there? 07:25 chris they arent the most popular ppl in nz at the moment 07:25 magnus oh, yes 07:26 magnus completely understandable! 07:27 magnus we're not all like that, though... ;-) 07:28 chris hehe i know 07:28 magnus at least NZ got on the news here, can't remember the last time... 07:28 chris my parents visited norway last year, and my ex girlfriend lives there, she is married to a norwegian 07:29 magnus so when are you coming? ;-) 07:29 chris its on my list to do :) 07:29 magnus goody! make sure you come and visit Bodø, then! 07:29 chris lars (who is working on the debian packaging) tells me i have to visit finland too 07:30 magnus i had a couple days in Helsinki a couple years ago - nice city! 07:30 magnus if you need an excuse: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ 07:31 chris ohhh, ive kinda blown my travel budget for this year already, but maybe i can do next year :) 07:32 magnus that was early! 07:32 magnus good thing you don't have far to go for KohaCon, then! 07:33 chris yeah, its not my work budget, but my leaving wife with the kids budget :-) 07:34 magnus ahhh, i see ;-) 07:35 chris having to travel a bit round nz this year for koha stuff, and did singapore already 07:37 kf good morning 07:38 chris hi kf 07:41 kf hi chris 07:43 kf chris: any news about button translation? 07:44 chris hdl sent a patch, i have to test it with the frederics new translation script 07:45 chris let me check right now 08:05 paul_p hello world 08:07 chris hi paul_p 08:08 chris kf: rebuildng the po files now 08:10 kf chris: oh thank you! 08:10 kf just came back, we are playing with our new telephones :) 09:10 chris kf: http://translate.koha.org/de/intranet3_1/ 09:11 kf thx, will take a look later - have to solve another problem first 09:17 hdl_laptop chris I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable 09:18 hdl_laptop fredericd: I saw some new string introduced with jquery 3.2 which looks untranslatable 09:19 hdl_laptop i should have told fredericd rather 09:24 kf chris: I think it worked - I found some button texts now, will ask my colleague to update our installation on Wednesday (when he is back) 09:27 chris cool 09:30 kf chris++ :) 09:31 kf hm, some strings are a bit problematic 09:31 kf " alt="" class="thumbnail" /> 09:32 kf ">Click to open in new window 09:32 kf &type=xw10">Click to open in new window 09:32 kf from 3.2 opac 09:33 chris yes, the templates need to be fixed in those cases 09:33 kf ah ok :) 12:32 owen Hi #koha 12:32 jdavidb Hi, owen. :) 12:33 owen Anyone here have any advice about conducting inventory? 12:33 jdavidb "Doctor, it hurts when we do this." "Then don't do that." 12:34 owen :P 12:35 jdavidb hehehe. 12:35 jdavidb In nearly 20 years in Library IT, on three different ILSes, I've not yet seen a way to do inventory that didn't involve a substantial amount of pain and suffering. 12:36 owen jdavidb: Have you had any Koha clients conduct inventory using the built-in inventory tool? 12:37 jdavidb I haven't heard of any of our customers trying it yet, no. A couple have talked about it a little, but not seriously. Whether that's out of FUD from having done it on other systems, or because of lack of other resources to execute, I can't say. 12:38 jdavidb It seems to be one of those tools that everyone wants their ILS to have, but no one actually *wants* to use. 12:41 owen We've gone too long without an inventory, so we're going to take the plunge 12:42 owen The basic needs are pretty easily met: Check everything in, do a report on which items haven't been seen 12:42 jdavidb 'bout like Unicorn's system, then. Mark everything "seen", then look for things that aren't checked out, but haven't been "seen" since before you started wanding items. 12:43 owen Right. I think the only thing we're going to want which isn't built in is a mass update of items not found. A global "missing in inventory" lost setting for those items. 12:44 jdavidb If you can snag the barcodes of all those items, should be easy enough to write a little script to shove 'em all past C4::Items::ModItem for that. 12:46 jdavidb C4::Items::ModItem++ # it takes care of marc and marcxml 952s, and reindexes when necessary, very intelligently. 12:47 jwagner owen, see Bug 4353 -- is this the correct approach? 12:47 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4353 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add div tags to staff advanced search page 12:49 owen jwagner: I think you could just add IDs to the existing divs couldn't you? 12:49 owen Or are the existing ones not in groupings you're looking for? 12:49 jwagner There weren't any existing divs in the staff advanced search. 12:49 jwagner OPAC, yes, but not staff 12:49 owen Oh sorry I was looking at the OPAC 12:50 owen Yes, absolutely 12:50 jwagner OK, I'll send this out as a patch in a few minutes. Thanks for checking. 13:00 hdl_laptop owen: we worked on inventory for 3.2. 13:00 hdl_laptop Some things were not really neat about circulation process. 13:01 hdl_laptop SHould be in master now. 13:01 owen hdl_laptop: Can you describe what kind of changes you made? 13:02 owen We're not using 3.2 in production, so I'm curious what kind of problems you've solved. 13:04 hdl_laptop mm it is not in master. 13:05 hdl_laptop Maybe not sent. 13:05 hdl_laptop But it was dealing with circulation and all the special status items. 13:07 owen I don't understand... "special status items?" 13:11 hdl_laptop http://imagebin.ca/view/mNT3OoF.html 13:11 hdl_laptop Here you are 13:12 hdl_laptop You can choose to ignore items which are "damaged", withdrawn.... 13:12 kf 3297 words need attention ... it never ends 13:15 owen hdl_laptop: I see, when you're running post-inventory reports you can configure which statuses will be ignored 13:16 hdl_laptop you can even choose which items to consider IN your inventory 13:18 * owen prepares to go under 13:20 * chris_n hands owen__ a life preserve 13:21 chris_n heya nengard 13:21 owen__ I always forget just how many times a VirtualBox upgrade will kill my connection 13:21 nengard hiya 13:21 chris_n s/preserve/preserver/ 13:21 kf hi nengard - hope you feel better 13:21 owen__ Hand me some preserves, it'll keep me out of a jam 13:21 nengard thanks kf - so far this morning is going much better 13:22 kf good to hear that! 13:22 nengard just have to get back into the swing of things - that's hard 13:25 owen__ nengard, I'll ask you what I asked jdavidb: Have any of your Koha libraries done inventory? 13:26 nengard not that i know of - i always show how to do it - but never had a library tell me after the fact that they did it 13:28 owen__ Well then nengard, hopefully I'll have an item for the May Koha newsletter: "Inventory: What are you all afraid of?" 13:29 owen__ Either that or "Inventory: Be very afraid!" 13:29 nengard awesome!! 13:29 nengard LOL 13:30 owen I can see a whole list of library-related articles based on horror movie tag lines: "Reference Desk: Don't. Fall. Asleep." 13:30 owen "Cataloging: No one can hear you scream (because you're in the basement)" 13:32 chris_n hehe 13:33 chris_n so with rfid, one presumably could just walk down the stacks and inventory would be automagic? 13:34 owen That's what we were told in 2001 or whenever we first heard about RFID at the library 13:34 owen In fact we were told that RFID would shelf-read for us too 13:39 chris_n shelf-read == tell if it is on the shelf or not? 13:39 owen Tell if the books are in order 13:40 * gmcharlt wonders if that has worked for anybody in practice 13:41 collum Shelf reading is traditionally the reward shelvers receive when there's nothing left to shelve. 13:43 owen gmcharlt: What I was later told was that no RFID technology can pinpoint the position of a tag that accurately 13:46 paul_p hello owen & chris_n & nengard & gmcharlt & collum : good morning ! 13:46 owen Hi paul_p 13:46 collum Do RFID scanners read from left to right or do they pick up the tag with the most strength? 13:46 collum Good morning paul_p 13:47 gmcharlt hi paul_p 13:47 collum If there is a stack of items with RFID tags? 13:47 owen collum: I think they pick up everything within their range without any sequence, but I don't really know 13:47 gmcharlt collum: I think it's less specific - distince of tag from scanner 13:47 gmcharlt I don't know how directional it is 13:47 collum I always wondered, but never investigated. 13:50 chris_n collum: it depends on the language the rfid tags are encoded in.... ;-) 13:52 chris_n if shelf-reading really worked, it seems that inventory would be instantaneous and continual 13:52 hdl_laptop hi all 13:52 chris_n howdy hdl_laptop & paul_p 13:52 owen If my shelf were intelligent and networked it could tell me if the right books were on it 13:54 collum Once again we come to my dream of RFID with GPS. 13:55 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 13:56 * collum as a bureaucrat wants to spend $20 so $10 items won't get lost. 13:59 * chris_n quickly casts his vote for collum 14:00 * gmcharlt votes for collum as long as he gets the equipment contract ;) 14:02 Sharon Good morning - quick question. Are there any limits to how long a Comment can be in the OPAC? I have a library who wants to encourage adding book reviews to the catalog. 14:04 owen Sharon: There's not a limit on the database field which contains the review text 14:04 owen (type: text) 14:05 Sharon great. So they can be long winded, if they want to be. Thank you, Owen. 14:06 * owen would love to hear if your library has success with their campaign 14:07 Sharon I'll keep and eye on it and report back! 14:21 juan asdfasdf 14:22 chris_n btegbteg 14:23 owen Mxyzptlk 14:23 * gmcharlt welcomes the invasion of cats, puppies, and small children to #koha ;) 14:24 rhcl So much better than the usual big children.... 14:26 kf gmcharlt: hi gmcharlt, still interested in marc21 data from our union catalog? 14:26 gmcharlt kf: I am 14:28 kf gmcharlt: I was a little worried to give you data from one of our libraries without asking them. But I talked to my colleague and she told me I can order the changes of one day in our union catalog with authorities but without holding data (dont know how big this will get...) - is this ok for you? 14:28 gmcharlt kf: sounds lovely 14:29 kf ok, I will write a ticket for my colleague to make you a nice package :) 14:30 juan hi all 14:30 juan i would like to talk about apache proxy and how session.pm handle ip remote addresses 14:32 juan when koha runs though a proxy server 14:32 juan it detects the ip from this proxy, not the real ip address of the visitor 14:32 juan and this is a problem, because Auth.pm do not works well 14:33 * chris_n seems to remember the need to setup the x-forward header 14:33 chris_n but I've never messed with apache proxy 14:33 chris_n only squid 14:33 juan but i think is the same situation 14:34 chris_n juan: maybe this will help: http://devcentral.f5.com/weblogs/macvittie/archive/2008/06/02/3323.aspx 14:34 juan i think Squid send the real ip in HTTP_FORWARED_FOR variable 14:35 chris_n s/x-forward/x-forwarded-for/ 14:35 juan i solved it changing Auth.pm and CGI/Session.pm 14:35 juan but i dont know if it was the better way 14:37 rhcl On this page: http://koha-community.org/category/3-2/ 14:37 rhcl The entry for Feb 3 reads: Tarballs of Koha 3.2 alpha available 14:37 rhcl But all the links are for 3.02. Is I missing something? 14:38 chris_n C4::Auth.pm and C4::Session.pm could be made to also check x-forwarded-for based on a syspref perhaps 14:38 rhcl I suppose 3.02 may be the pre 3.2, but maybe a quick line there could explain that? 14:39 juan i cha 14:39 rhcl Nevermind, if you read the third entry there's a quick reference to that. 14:39 rhcl Everybody back to sleep... 14:39 chris_n juan: see http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=390754 also 14:40 juan chris_n: I changed cpan's Session.pm, because it resolve only REMOTE_ADDR 14:40 juan chris_n: let me see 14:40 Sharon Another comments question - how does a patron delete a comment that has been approved? Is there a "my comments" tab that I'm just not seeing? 14:40 chris_n opps... but in any case, a fix to Koha's libs would certainly be welcomed I'm sure 14:42 chris_n juan: actually, that link to perlmonks probably does not apply here 14:42 gmcharlt Sharon: oddly, that facility doesn't current exist 14:43 juan chris_n: yes ..., I think koha does not take into account running it though a proxy 14:43 Sharon might have to put in an enhancement bug for that. There doesn't seem to be any easy way to delete an approved comment by either the patron or the librarian 14:44 juan gmcharlt: now, when I implement a koha into a new server, i have to put my Session.pm version and my C4::Auth.pm changed, but I think koha would be modified to take into account this issue 14:45 juan and if I dont have to change Session.pm from cpan, is better ... 14:46 chris_n juan: it seems you may need to be running mod_perl which iirc causes some issues for koha 14:46 gmcharlt juan: sure - send a patch; I'm pretty sure that the CGI::Session folks also accept patches 14:47 juan gmcharlt: a few months ago I send an email to CPAN Session.pm author, but i have no answer yet 14:47 gmcharlt eh, that's unfortunate 14:47 gmcharlt try opening a bug on CPAN and attaching the patch 14:48 juan gmcharlt: ok, i'll try 14:48 juan anyway, i will commit my changes to our repository in github 14:48 juan and you can evaluate them 14:48 juan when i have it commited, i'll send a message to koha-devel 14:49 gmcharlt ok 14:50 juan It works perfect under a proxy, but i would receive any oppinion about this change 14:54 kf question :) I need to change the shelving location for a call range in 3.1.61 (no batch editing) - is there an easy way to do this? will it be enough to change items table and reindex? 14:56 jdavidb kf, you would save yourself some pain and suffering by getting the itemnumbers, and feeding them to C4::Items::ModItem. That would take care of the marc/marcxml changes, and the indexing, all in one run. 14:57 jmill2010 hi all 14:57 jmill2010 i have a question :) 14:57 kf jdavidb: not sure I know enough perl 14:58 kf jdavidb: will the other method work too? 14:58 jdavidb The other method won't change the marc/marcxml, so reindexing would not do any good. 14:59 jdavidb you'd need to run misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl, which would clean up the marc/marcxml, and reindex for you. 14:59 kf hm. ok, so I need to update marcxml and item in the database 14:59 jmill2010 some students (patrons) are allowed to check out certain books for the entire semester, how would you set that up in Koha, or is it a matter of just having the option to override at circ 14:59 kf is this script save in a production environment? 15:00 jdavidb yep. I've used it several times. 15:00 jdavidb it treats the item-table stuff as official, and recreates the 952s from it for all biblios. 15:00 kf jdavidb: I think this is the easiest way for us right now - thank you :) 15:01 jdavidb (and it pumps them into zebraqueue, so they'll reindex automatically.) 15:01 jdavidb you be4tcha. 15:04 jmill2010 i mean it can be any student, depending on financial need, and it can be any type of book, depending on availability 15:06 owen jmill2010: If it's a random combination of circumstances you'll probably have to use the "specify due date" widget on the circulation page 15:07 jmill2010 yes, owen, it is random 15:08 jmill2010 awesome 15:08 jmill2010 thanks! 15:20 jmill2010 just need to confirm :) 15:50 * jdavidb__ peers quizzically at jdavidb and jdavidb_. 15:50 kf clonesß 15:51 kf ? 15:51 jdavidb__ Enough of me to get *half* of what I need to do finished, maybe. 15:52 * kf wrote myself a lot of tickets, feel a little overwhelmed now 15:52 kf i need clones too 16:19 kf ok, time to ignore my tickets :) - bye #koha 17:31 juan|away gmcharlt: hi, galen 18:00 * chris_n hates being invite to webinars that don't support *nix