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Genji |
hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects. |
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Genji |
marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line. |
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Genji |
yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words... |
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hi all |
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Amit |
hi brendan, chris |
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gmcharlt |
hi Amit |
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Amit |
heya galen |
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wajasu |
ok. I finally built a PKGBUILD called perl-graphicsmagick that builds a Graphics::Magick module for the corresponding graphicsmagick package. I guess i should call it perl-graphicsmagick. (debian calls theirs perlmagick) |
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wajasu |
maybe I should call it perl-perlmagick (but it supplies Magick.pm and Graphics::Magick). Oh. this is for archlinnux folks. |
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gmcharlt |
wajasu++ |
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wajasu |
i just reused the graphicsmagick PKGBUILD, but run a similiar ./configure with --with-perl and cd into the appropriate subdirectory and perl Makefile.PL, and walla, just the perl stuff. |
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wajasu |
i will adjust the version dependencies accordingly. |
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wajasu |
I started to do this for the latest graphicsmagick download, and it won't build with the current PKGBUILD. There is an error in compiling for code that uses libpng. |
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wajasu |
my archlinux is at the latest libpng 1.4.0-2. But it seems the png_info struct might have changed, so this seems like a tough dependency problem. |
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if code in graphicsmagick needs to change to use and API now, what does that mean for all the other apps that use libpng? must they all get tweaked? Or will there just need to be multiple versions of libpng installed? |
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chris: any idea what push command i should use to push to my originmaster? |
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Genji |
hiya... marc field 653 is complete phrases.. subjects. |
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Genji |
marc21 biblio records.abs has subject:p in that line. |
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Genji |
yet if i do 'scan @attr 1=21' it always breaks all the results into words... |
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Genji |
whats wrong? |
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chris |
nod_: git push -f |
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(-f is force .. so you can either do that, or rebase from your originmaster first) |
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chris |
man i wish i understood authorities so i could answer pauline, but that documentation may as well be written in swahili for as much sense as it makes to me |
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hdl_laptop: are you around? |
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chris |
@later tell hdl_laptop did you see the question about 3.0.6, i see the file at download.koha.org but no announcement yet? |
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munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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chris |
@later tell fredericd http://github.com/ranginui/translate.koha.org |
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munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
good morning all |
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chris |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi chris |
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i'm having problems getting HTTP::OAI , PDF::API2::Simple, and POE to install. (trying koha 3.02.00-alpha. |
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HTTP::OAI complains about perl-xml-sax-base: /usr/share/man/man3/XML::SAX::Base.3pm.gz exists in filesystem |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
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hdl_laptop |
wajasu: have you tried deleting that ? |
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tekonivel |
chris: i think i was told that you're the person who can mend Pootle |
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tekonivel |
chris: it was a bit b0rken yesterday |
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tekonivel |
chris: but fine now. if you did something about it, thanks |
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tekonivel |
if someone else mended, thanks to whoever it was :) |
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tekonivel |
s/\(mended\)/&1 it/ |
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brendan |
morning #koha |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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gmcharlt |
brendan: how was the rest of preconference? |
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brendan |
it was really nice. had a few newbies so we answered questions and showed them around koha |
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brendan |
didn't get a chance to bug-squash |
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brendan |
ended up talk about zebra more than anything else |
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gmcharlt |
cool |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
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kf |
hi hdl_laptop |
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hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
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Mornin', #koha. |
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gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop, jdavidb |
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hi gmcharlt |
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owen |
Hi #koha |
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jdavidb |
Hi, owen! :) |
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hi owen |
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jwagner |
G'morning |
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tekonivel |
hard to translate "issue" |
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magnus |
that word means so many different things in norwegian too... |
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tekonivel |
it can mean 1) a problem "i have an issue" 2) an event "list of smth issued today" or a 3) issue of a subscription "a new issue of Library Journal" |
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owen |
tekonivel: It was even harder when we called "check-outs" "issues" |
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tekonivel |
also hard to google that word |
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tekonivel |
owen: yeah... that would be meaning #2 on myt list |
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tekonivel |
owen: i wonder if i can count that "issue" is not used in that meaning in Koha 3 OPAC, when i'm tranalating it... |
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tekonivel |
i could trust the term "issue" is used only in the meaning #3 |
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owen |
tekonivel: I hope so. We tried to eliminate that usage. |
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tekonivel |
f.ex. "Today's Issues" (string number 960) |
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tekonivel |
it would mean newspapers, and journals that have arrived in the library today, not checkouts for patrons done today |
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tekonivel |
owen: soooo many thanks for your efforts :) |
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tekonivel |
library-lingo can be a tad tricky sometimes |
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kf |
tekonivel: look at the template list |
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kf |
its a good indicator for context sometimes |
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owen |
I see... The self-checkout module has that instance of "today's issues." |
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tekonivel |
i'm translating all "issue"s in the meaning #3, and hope to come back to them at testing time, hopefully at the end of the list |
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tekonivel |
end of the week, i mean! |
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tekonivel |
kf: yeah yeah |
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tekonivel |
kf: it would be soo hard to translate without the context |
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tekonivel |
i'm marking all the suspicious strings as fuzzy, and will re-iterate trough them later and take a peek at the sourcecode at that time |
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tekonivel |
however the git repository has changed since 3.0 |
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tekonivel |
f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/sco/circulation.tmpl:137 seems to have moved |
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kf |
self check out |
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tekonivel |
i wish pootle had direct links to the sourcecode that would spawn a new browser with or something |
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kf |
so probably a case for issue = checkout |
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tekonivel |
kf: yeah, propably. i'm marking it fuzzy for now |
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kf |
yes, this idea has been aorund for some time |
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kf |
would really like that too |
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kf |
or a tooltip with string number in koha... |
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tekonivel |
kf: yeah, that'd be nice. luckily there's the line number |
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tekonivel |
but i'm not peeking at src at this time |
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* tekonivel |
feels like a champion |
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tekonivel |
only mr./mrs./ms. nobody to beat on the Pootle stats |
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* jwagner |
cheers for tekonivel |
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tekonivel |
i've make 204 suggestions, nobody has 268 |
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tekonivel |
also 665 translations, i'm fourth on that list |
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tekonivel |
(i'm mace on Pootle) |
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tekonivel |
it's quite brainmelting work, though |
| 13:52 |
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tekonivel |
but well worth it, i'm sure :) |
| 13:52 |
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tekonivel |
only 42 translations behind chrisc, more for Kaz and PSchouten |
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tekonivel |
i guess a lot of people work offline and then upload, so Pootle doesn't gather their stats |
| 13:53 |
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tekonivel |
so they're out of the game |
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* tekonivel |
has taken a look at Emacs po-mode |
| 13:54 |
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owen |
Patch for Bug 4244 submitted |
| 13:54 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4244 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Use "checkouts" instead of "issues" |
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tekonivel |
O_o |
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tekonivel |
uuh |
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* tekonivel |
feels open source+community development love |
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tekonivel |
<3 |
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tekonivel |
it's quite different with Innovative Millenium products, you know |
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tekonivel |
owen: cheers |
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owen |
easy_fixes++ |
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* sekjal |
is well aware of what's what with Innovative's Millennium |
| 13:57 |
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owen |
Hi sekjal and brendan, how did it go yesterday? |
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* owen |
is sorry to have missed it |
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sekjal |
I'm at Code4Lib right now, and will be talking on the migration from Millennium to Koha tomorrow |
| 13:57 |
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brendan |
hiya owen |
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tekonivel |
sekjal: i should sent our system librarians there |
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sekjal |
owen: went pretty well. Smaller group, half devs and half users in the morning, mostly all users in the afternoon |
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tekonivel |
sekjal: too bad i'm not in the position to do that :) |
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brendan |
it went well |
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brendan |
atz and galen stopped by also |
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sekjal |
tekonivel: it's a good time. I can make sure you get the slides and link to the video, when it's ready |
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tekonivel |
sekjal: lovely! |
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owen |
I'm glad you guys didn't have to travel through snow to get there |
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tekonivel |
owen: we've got plenty here in Helsinki :) |
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sekjal |
it was a REALLY long drive, but dry the whole way. |
| 14:03 |
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sekjal |
alright, Code4Lib begins! |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 02:00 PM, November 05, 2009) |
| 14:03 |
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tekonivel |
on Pootle: i also with there was a button to accept a suggestion. now it's copy paste with mouse |
| 14:03 |
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tekonivel |
s/copy/copy+/ |
| 14:03 |
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tekonivel |
oh well |
| 14:06 |
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* owen |
adds Helsinki to his list of stops on an imaginary Koha World Tour |
| 14:07 |
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* sekjal |
sekjal adds Helsinki to his world clock thinger on his phone |
| 14:07 |
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brendan |
oh I like that idea a "Koha World Tour" |
| 14:07 |
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tekonivel |
owen: ELAG 2010? |
| 14:07 |
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* brendan |
signs up |
| 14:07 |
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magnus |
http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ is a good reason for visiting Helsinki this year... |
| 14:07 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: i'll be there |
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magnus |
i *think* i will too |
| 14:08 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: awesome |
| 14:09 |
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magnus |
the programmes are usually good, and helsinki is a nice city! |
| 14:09 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: yeah i think ELAG is one of the most interesting library conferences |
| 14:10 |
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tekonivel |
and such a history thhey've got |
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* tekonivel |
has never attended, though |
| 14:10 |
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magnus |
me neither, but i've heard a lot of good things about it |
| 14:11 |
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magnus |
perhaps we could have a koha meetup? |
| 14:11 |
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tekonivel |
also, it's automation stuff mostly, which in itself is of only utilitarist value |
| 14:11 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: u jeah |
| 14:11 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: not that there'd be very many Koha installations in Finland though |
| 14:12 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: about 5, very few of which are in production (not to mention online) |
| 14:12 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: maybe situation has changed by ELAG :) |
| 14:12 |
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magnus |
but at least there would be some interested people, and i guess more koha people will be coming from "outside" besides me |
| 14:12 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: you've got a norwegian company giving support for Koha |
| 14:13 |
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magnus |
that's me! ;-) |
| 14:13 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: yeah i figured :) |
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magnus |
hehe |
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tekonivel |
magnus: i'm sure that has an impact on libraries' willingness to adopt Koha |
| 14:13 |
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magnus |
i sure hope so! ;-) |
| 14:14 |
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magnus |
at least they can't blame lack of support for not looking into it |
| 14:14 |
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magnus |
any companies in Finland, or everyone just doing things themselves? |
| 14:14 |
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tekonivel |
i've been pointing some finnish libraries your way (i don't know if you do internation business), but i hope more Kohas would appear here too |
| 14:15 |
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magnus |
wow, thanks! i would certainly not turn away customers, but of course i don't speak finnish... |
| 14:15 |
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paul_p |
tekonivel: a company giving support is a BIG boost. Look at Koha adoption in France. Why is it so important ? because we started supporting very early |
| 14:15 |
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tekonivel |
i'm not a Koha-fundamanetalist by no means, but we've basically got Axiell hegemony here so i'm (/we're) trying to fuel the discussion and not let it die down |
| 14:16 |
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tekonivel |
paul_p: yeah, libraries (at least here) don't do any moves if they cant't get (paid) support |
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magnus |
way to go, tekonivel! |
| 14:17 |
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paul_p |
tekonivel: sounds fair : libraries don't always have an internal IT team |
| 14:17 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: no company provides Koha support, basically one guy has been actively speaking about it and doing installations |
| 14:17 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: he also translated (at least parts) of Koha 2, as a hobby |
| 14:17 |
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tekonivel |
well, i guess he got paid for it too |
| 14:17 |
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tekonivel |
at least some of it |
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magnus |
interesting! do you know who that guy is? |
| 14:18 |
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tekonivel |
paul_p: yeah certainly they don't, and here the organization of public libraries is so spread out a lot of the municipalities have their libraries ran by basically a handful of ppl, and they're no programmers |
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tekonivel |
magnus: sure, it's Pasi Korkeila |
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tekonivel |
magnus: no wait, Pasi Korkalo |
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tekonivel |
he's at Oulu University, but i haven't yet discussed with him what have been his motivations |
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magnus |
probably the same as the PasiK i've seen on the lists, then |
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tekonivel |
magnus: yeah i'm sure |
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tekonivel |
magnus: there are only so many Pasi K:s interested in Koha in this small country :) |
| 14:26 |
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magnus |
probably... ;-) |
| 14:29 |
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tekonivel |
all sorts of thoughts cross my mind while translating |
| 14:31 |
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tekonivel |
f.ex. Koha has hardcoded strings that talk about "a librarian". However in Finland "a librarian" excludes anyone with a worktitle "library assistant". no generic term for everyone working in a library exists in our language, though i've been simply talking about "kirjastolainen" |
| 14:31 |
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tekonivel |
that's something like a "a person of library" |
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magnus is now known as magnus_away |
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tekonivel |
also Koha talks about circulation desks, but it's basically a meaningless concept in small libraries because there's only one desk |
| 14:32 |
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tekonivel |
besides a lot of the functions can be done online or over the phone |
| 14:32 |
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tekonivel |
so i'm tempted to translate "contact the circulation desk" to just "concact the library" |
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owen |
Those opac messages are problematic for many people |
| 14:34 |
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owen |
"If you don't have a password yet, stop by the circulation desk the next time you're in the library. We'll happily set one up for you." |
| 14:34 |
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tekonivel |
they intermix OPAC user interface with the functions the library actually provides |
| 14:34 |
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owen |
That implies that there is a circulation desk *and* that library policy requires that patrons set up their passwords in person. |
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tekonivel |
owen: yeah |
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tekonivel |
it's interesting work |
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tekonivel |
Orwell, Wittgenstein, Sokrates and Agricola are present right here with me :) |
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tekonivel |
also who's that contemporary philosopher from USA who's written about language, politics and power |
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owen |
Stephen Colbert. ;) |
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tekonivel |
owen: lol not him |
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owen |
Noam Chomsky? |
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tekonivel |
owen: yeah Chomsky! |
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tekonivel |
that reminds me; i hope there was a way to say "a person from USA", that waas not the work "american" because there's plenty of America outside of USA (even outside NAFTA) |
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tekonivel |
"usaian" isn't a work |
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tekonivel |
...word |
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owen |
I would think "American" is generally understood to mean "from the USA," but "North American" or "South American" would be the general terms |
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owen |
I've never heard of a context in which people from North and South American were spoken of collectively. |
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tekonivel |
owen: yeah, but there's Canada too. And the continent of NA is quite different than the nation that happens to cover large parts of it at this time and age |
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tekonivel |
owen: lol that's a good point |
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tekonivel |
owen: there isn't much of a collective there... |
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owen |
"North American" would mean US or Canada. |
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tekonivel |
but just "american" mean from USA |
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tekonivel |
i think that kind of sucks |
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tekonivel |
it's like "european" would mean only people from Finland |
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owen |
I would have to defer to a Canadian on the matter. I've never heard the terms used any differently. |
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owen |
I suspect many Canadians would not like being referred to as "Americans" |
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jwagner |
owen, I think you just made the point -- you referred to Canadians. |
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tekonivel |
if i had "an american passport", which partport would it be? |
| 14:46 |
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tekonivel |
jwagner: exactly |
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tekonivel |
s/partport/passport/ |
| 14:46 |
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wizzyrea_ |
for one, you wouldn't get an american passport |
| 14:46 |
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wizzyrea_ |
you would get a United States passport :P |
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tekonivel |
owen: lol they'd prefer to be referred to as "le canadiennes" ;) |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea_ |
what is this, pick on owen day? psh. |
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owen |
But everyone understands "American passport" to mean a United States passport. There's no ambiguity about it in my experience. |
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jwagner |
And people from Mexico are usually referred to as Mexicans. I think general usage of American means people from the U.S. |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: and prefably "United States of American passport"... other united stats might be out there too :) |
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* jwagner |
would NEVER pick on owen! |
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owen |
"Don't shoot, I'm an American!" |
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tekonivel |
owen: yeah, no ambiquity, but that's exacly what bothers me |
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wizzyrea_ |
welp. Guess we're gonna have to find a new name for our country, owen. |
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tekonivel |
owen: lol, that Brazilian guy who got executed in the London metro shouldn't shouted that :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
I'm kansan first :P |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea_, that might not work. Telling people I'm a Hoosier is likely to leave them even more confused :-) Besides, I've lived longer outside Indiana than I lived in it by now.... |
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tekonivel |
otoh, sometimes "european" or "people from the EU countries" are mixed |
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tekonivel |
norway is europe, but not EU |
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tekonivel |
the point of this discussion being (on my part), that language is such a sloppy construct... |
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tekonivel |
jwagner: yeah Hoosier sure would confuse me |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol, we should all learn to communicate telepathically |
| 14:51 |
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jwagner |
No, just communicate in binary -- it's only ones and zeros! |
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wizzyrea_ |
jwagner: but you could say "I'm from Indiana" |
| 14:51 |
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jwagner |
But that lacks the panache! |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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wizzyrea_ |
that's like me saying I'm a Free-Stater |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: i wonder if that would help... does telepathy convey language or pure emotions/experiences? |
| 14:52 |
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wizzyrea_ |
who even knows what that means anymore |
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wizzyrea_ |
tekonivel: I'm not sure how it would work |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: i thought you might ;) |
| 14:52 |
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wizzyrea_ |
well I don't know you well enough to communicate telepathically ;) |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: IRC is not telepathy? i've been fooled! |
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wizzyrea_ |
^.^ |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea_, using the Free-Stater identity would require a lesson in the American Civil War. Or as people in Virginia refer to it (STILL), the War of Northern Agression. I'm glad I don't live in Virginia any more.... |
| 14:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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wizzyrea_ |
all a kansan has to say outside the US is, I'm from kansas. Like dorothy |
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wizzyrea_ |
and toto |
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wizzyrea_ |
and they immediately nod and say "Ok, I can place you" |
| 14:54 |
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wizzyrea_ |
at least that was my experience |
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tekonivel |
we finns aren't sure if we had a "war of independece", "war of brothers" or "war of liberty" in 1917 |
| 14:55 |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh you are from finland! |
| 14:55 |
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tekonivel |
or "an internal war" or whate4ver |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: yup |
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imp |
wizzyrea_: does it work inside the US too? ;) |
| 14:55 |
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wizzyrea_ |
yes, actually :) |
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tekonivel |
finlandian, i guess... :) |
| 14:55 |
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wizzyrea_ |
you are finnish |
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tekonivel |
some say "a finn" |
| 14:56 |
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tekonivel |
so finland is "the land of finns" |
| 14:56 |
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tekonivel |
kind of odd, i think... |
| 14:56 |
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wizzyrea_ |
finnish sounds to me like "I'm kind of like a fin. Sorta." |
| 14:56 |
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wizzyrea_ |
s/fin/finn |
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collum |
Amazing. There's actually a wikipedia article on "names for U.S Citizens' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N[…]for_U.S._citizens |
| 14:57 |
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tekonivel |
englang=land of english; ireland=land of the ire; usaland=land of people from USA |
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tekonivel |
no wait, that doens't work xD |
| 14:57 |
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wizzyrea_ |
which phonetically sounds in my mind like "use a land" |
| 14:57 |
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wizzyrea_ |
which seems fitting |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: *ouch* |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: but pls give me some glass-pearls, a pox and steal my squaw ;) |
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wizzyrea_ |
why aren't the english the engs? |
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tekonivel |
ok pls let's not get to that... |
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tekonivel |
wizzyrea_: i wonder where that comes from |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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tekonivel |
i've understood "ire" is some sort of ugly, agressive thing |
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* wizzyrea_ |
has no interest in squaws |
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wizzyrea_ |
and |
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tekonivel |
anyone here know esperanto? were these issues considered when it was constructed? |
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* wizzyrea_ |
does not have the pox. |
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owen |
wizzyrea_: What about cooties? |
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wizzyrea_ |
everyone knows all girls have cooties, owen. |
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tekonivel |
"norway" is more abstract... the "way of the nor" |
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* owen |
thinks of Calvin and "known girl" Susie Derkins. |
| 15:03 |
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tekonivel |
not the "land of nor" |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea_ |
though I knew a kid in HS whose last name was "norland" |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh, and this will bake your noodle |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea_ |
they are norwegians |
| 15:03 |
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* tekonivel |
is boiling |
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tekonivel |
(pls simmer) |
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tekonivel |
well, i have a friend who's last name is Fail |
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tekonivel |
he's usalandian |
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wizzyrea_ |
... poor friend |
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wizzyrea_ |
please tell me his name isn't richard |
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* wizzyrea_ |
is giggling madly |
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tekonivel |
John |
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wizzyrea_ |
almost as funny, but not quite. |
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sekjal |
Koha logo is front and center in cloud4Lib presentation. yay! |
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wizzyrea_ |
woot! |
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jwagner |
sekjal, _cloud_ 4Lib? New conference??? Or just clouding their minds :-) |
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sekjal |
jwagner: first presentation after keynote |
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sekjal |
talking about sharing infrastructure between multiple installs of multiple tools. |
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wizzyrea_ |
the code4lib channel is hopping :P |
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wizzyrea_ |
they are snarktastic in there |
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sekjal |
yeah, I think I prefer this channel... |
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hdl_laptop: i removed perl-xml-libxml and perl-xml-sax, which cleaned up things. Then I added HTTP::OAI and when it goes to install a dependency perl-xml-sax-base, and has conflicting files with perl-xml-sax. (my dist is archlinux) |
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tekonivel |
45% of OPAC translated; time to restart the rotted Firefox and have a glass of water |
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wizzyrea_ |
owen: I can't thank you enough for all of the cleanup you've done in the staff interface, it looks really, really nice. |
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owen |
You're very welcome |
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owen |
I'm always on the lookout for rough edges |
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wizzyrea_ |
at the moment I'm looking at http://screencast.com/t/ZTBhYjljYTE |
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wizzyrea_ |
and I love how this is shaping up |
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wizzyrea_ |
that's a new thing galen just added |
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wizzyrea_ |
the waiting status, but this list used to be so spartan |
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wizzyrea_ |
we will knock these holds out yet |
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wizzyrea_ |
owen: how often do you run your holds queue? |
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owen |
Every couple of hours, although most librarians don't check it so often. |
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wizzyrea_ |
remember your question about the weird orders of holds? |
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* owen |
likes to glace at the list during slow times if he's working at the desk |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/YzE2OGI0Mm |
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wizzyrea_ |
this is what a 3.2 list looks like before the holds queue has run |
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owen |
wizzyrea_: What does the reserves table say about the priority numbers? |
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wizzyrea_ |
idk, lemme look |
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wizzyrea_ |
hm, what am I looking for? I have some weirdly high ones on titles that only have a couple of holds |
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wizzyrea_ |
like, 12, 14, 16 |
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wizzyrea_ |
(we dont have a lot going on, this is totally test data) |
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owen |
That's what I expect to see on those titles with multiple number ones. I was seeing priorities like "1, 2, 435, 736, 1203" |
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owen |
I know brendan has been looking into it for us but I don't know how much progress he has made |
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gmcharlt |
yea, I don't think we've nailed down exactly when it is occurring |
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wizzyrea_ |
well I'm trying to test if the hold queue job puts them right again |
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brendan |
wizzyrea, select distinct biblionumber from reserves where priority > '100'; |
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wizzyrea_ |
I don't have any of those |
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wizzyrea_ |
but I also probably don't have more than 100 holds on this system |
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brendan |
ok thanks |
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gmcharlt |
the holds queue job doesn't change hold priorities |
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gmcharlt |
(or if it is, that's a bug, at least the way it's designed to operate now) |
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brendan |
from tracing through things right now.. not finding any issues on _Fixpriority |
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brendan |
funny things is I am sitting right next to gmcharlt |
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brendan |
hi gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
hi brendan |
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wizzyrea_ |
hee |
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gmcharlt |
we're listening to rsinger, so we have an excuse for not actually talking too each other right now ;) |
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wizzyrea_ |
hm |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's not matching item home location to patron home location above all else is it? |
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wizzyrea_ |
or is there a pref that does that? |
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wizzyrea_ |
because I just checked in a springfield book and it went priority 1 (incorrectly) to a springfield patron |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea_: how many holds do you have in your system all told? and what version of the code are you running? |
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wizzyrea_ |
then, a centervill item went to the 1st centerville patron (listed 1) |
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wizzyrea_ |
in this system, probably fewer than 75 total |
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wizzyrea_ |
3.01.00.124 (and this has some of gmcharlt's newest stuff on it, too) |
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wizzyrea_ |
re:holds |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: to confirm, the bibs you're testing from my holds bugfix branch? |
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gmcharlt |
*bits |
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wizzyrea_ |
yes |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea_: and I assume you don't have any holds with priority > 75 |
| 16:03 |
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wizzyrea_ |
no, I don't |
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sekjal |
that probably doesn't mean much, but every little bit of data helps! |
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wajasu |
They are different. |
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wajasu |
My distribution's package manager pacman complains about the conflict and stops the install. I may have to "force" it to overwrite. |
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sekjal |
for this holds priority issue: can we tell if it happens when placing multiple holds at once, only when holds are done singly, or in both cases? |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: tracing the process would help |
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wizzyrea_ |
yea, I'm in process of doing that |
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gmcharlt |
if you can go through a sequence of creating a number of holds that result in a glitch, then repeat it, that would be golden |
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* gmcharlt |
is preaching to the choir, of course |
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wizzyrea_ |
:D |
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wizzyrea_ |
these are a set: http://screencast.com/t/ZTBjNzlk |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/M2YxMzk2 |
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kf |
bye :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/OTQ2M2E2YmIt |
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brendan |
wizzyrea that first screen shot with priority's listed as 3, 1, 1 is what we are seeing |
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gmcharlt |
having two requests as priority one is an issue |
| 16:28 |
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gmcharlt |
how are you getting to that point? |
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brendan |
before you move that one around can you look at the priorities for both of those one's listed as 1 |
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brendan |
you can see them in teh database |
| 16:29 |
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brendan |
or you can click on the name and it will show you the priority number listed under the patron's holds |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm |
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wizzyrea_ |
there are several with this patron that have gone funny |
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wizzyrea_ |
the numbers must be based on the max number of holds in the system |
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wizzyrea_ |
you can see the one is waiting |
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gmcharlt |
priority is per hold request |
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wizzyrea_ |
i mean, the erroneous numbers |
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gmcharlt |
so in theory could be 16th in line for dogsong |
| 16:31 |
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gmcharlt |
assuming, of course, that there are actually that many requests on that title |
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wizzyrea_ |
dogsong |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/NzU3YzIxZm |
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gmcharlt |
? same as the previous screenshot |
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wizzyrea_ |
er |
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wizzyrea_ |
sry |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/YzVjMDJiNjE |
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wizzyrea_ |
premature paste :P |
| 16:32 |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea_: it's looking like that, yes. perhaps somehow the total number of holds is getting put into the priority field... |
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wizzyrea_ |
I love screencast. it's so fast. |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea_: it's super neat, and mega helpful |
| 16:34 |
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wizzyrea_ |
here's casey's holds priority |
| 16:34 |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/YTk3ZDc3MT |
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gmcharlt |
sekjal: it's taking priority directly from reserves.priority, it's not attemping a calculation |
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sekjal |
gmcharlt: right, no calculation in the display. But priority has to be figured out somewhere... perhaps the initial assignment is erroroneous |
| 16:37 |
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gmcharlt |
er, round and round we go |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: are all of the hold requests we're looking at news ones that you created for testing today? |
| 16:38 |
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wizzyrea_ |
no, some of them are from last friday, I'm working one from today |
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wizzyrea_ |
the ordered screengrabs are in #kohakansas (just keeping my thoughts in order there) |
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wizzyrea_ |
from the ones I've done today |
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sekjal |
it seems to me that the first trick is to figure out when the priority value is being mis-assigned, from a workflow process level |
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sekjal |
which will point to code, etc. |
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wizzyrea_ |
yea, I'm trying to document every step |
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sekjal |
cool |
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wizzyrea_ |
not in this channel though >.> |
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wizzyrea_ |
b/c I don't want to spam |
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sekjal |
right |
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gmcharlt |
yeah - a summary at the end would be good - also need the state of all of the holds sysprefs |
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wizzyrea_ |
here's the holds policy: http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY |
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wizzyrea_ |
I wonder about StaticHoldsQueueWeight and RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight |
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wizzyrea_ |
we've always been a bit fuzzy about how that works |
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gmcharlt |
they're used only by the holds queue cronjob |
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gmcharlt |
to specify which libraries are preferred sources of items to fill hold requests |
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gmcharlt |
and (for the randomize setting) to mix the order up |
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wizzyrea_ |
so an item placement triggered by checkin doesn't follow those rules |
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wizzyrea_ |
? |
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wizzyrea_ |
er, I guess what you're telling me is that all item placements are triggered by checkin |
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gmcharlt |
right - they influence the picklist |
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wizzyrea_ |
which in turn influences the placement, albeit indirectly |
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gmcharlt |
and the current hold fill target is taken into count |
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gmcharlt |
build_holds_queue generates picklist and current hold fill target map |
| 16:54 |
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gmcharlt |
when items are pulled |
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gmcharlt |
hold fill target is checked first - if an item is allocated for a specific hold, it's supposed to be used/tranisted to fill that hold |
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gmcharlt |
but if item not being checked in isn't specifically target to a hold request, but can fill it |
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gmcharlt |
it will fall back to filling that request |
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wizzyrea_ |
right, bibs vs items |
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sekjal |
are the holds priorities going weird when the hold is placed, or when someone else's hold is fulfilled? |
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wizzyrea_ |
I actually suspect that, sekjal |
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wizzyrea_ |
i'm not sure why yet |
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wizzyrea_ |
but I've seen something at some point that suggests that might be the case |
| 16:58 |
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wizzyrea_ |
but I haven't reproduced it yet |
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sekjal |
wizzyrea_: which might be the case (former or latter)? |
| 16:58 |
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wizzyrea_ |
that the problem happens in the process of moving items about |
| 16:59 |
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wizzyrea_ |
filling and moving, possibly ignoring holds |
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gmcharlt |
transiting => bad priorities, perhaps? |
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sekjal |
ah. that seems a little more plausible, given the increased complexity |
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wizzyrea_ |
there's a weird thing where if you ignore the hold for 1 priority, the next time the item is seen it goes to #2, while #1 is still technically #1 |
| 16:59 |
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wizzyrea_ |
then it goes back to one |
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wizzyrea_ |
part of bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595 |
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munin |
Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold |
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wizzyrea_ |
well, all of it really |
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wizzyrea_ |
it is probably related somehow |
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sekjal |
mmmm, Code4Lunch |
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wizzyrea_ |
on the brightside: http://screencast.com/t/ZDBjMzEzYW |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: one thing about your testing - are you the only one actively working with holds in your test database? |
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wizzyrea_ |
at the moment, and yes, friday we had 3 people doing stuff |
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wizzyrea_ |
at the same time |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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wizzyrea_ |
if I can't reproduce it I'll give you all logins and permission to go to town ;) |
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wizzyrea_ |
...you don't suppose it is caused by using a single sign on |
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brendan |
nope |
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gmcharlt |
the reason I'm asking is if (for completely new holds) is if you can reproduce all by yourself |
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wizzyrea_ |
i'm trying to lol |
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wizzyrea_ |
xmas in the big house is working perfectly though |
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wizzyrea_ |
except for the initial wtf of why did henry get it and not sharon |
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gmcharlt |
it'll be easier on us poor programmers :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
nope, just me |
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wizzyrea_ |
gmcharlt did you fix 3595? was that part of the stuff you did over the weekend? |
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nengard |
you can always tell when i'm doing training - those are the days i enter 100 bugs ;( |
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wizzyrea_ |
i may be crazy but it doesn't seem like it's broken anymore... will have to check again. |
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wizzyrea_ |
you know what would be super helpful |
| 17:31 |
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wizzyrea_ |
a preferences export |
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tekonivel |
some more translation... i'm trying to work up to 50% today |
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tekonivel |
after that there's some reading and emails to do |
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tekonivel |
long day |
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schuster |
If I wanted to force copy specific holds - ... rather than bib level where should I start? |
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schuster |
In looking at opac-reserve.tmpl - activating the copy list is forced by an "on click"... |
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* tekonivel |
woders what is an "aperture card" |
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* brendan |
secretly wants to answer nengard's barcode question with "well nengard it's time for the barcode stork conversation" |
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brendan |
of course the barcodes come from the barcode stork |
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* wizzyrea_ |
reminds brendan that nothing in #koha is secret |
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brendan |
that was for all :) |
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* brendan |
kind of humour |
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wizzyrea_ |
well, when a codabar and a UPC-E really love each other... |
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wizzyrea_ |
i know lol |
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brendan |
they create little codabar-39's |
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wizzyrea_ |
so cute and tiny! |
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nengard |
goofy boy |
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nengard |
it was a question I got while training today - never thought about asking :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
blerg, I must not be creative enough to make this stuff die. Or I follow the rules too well. |
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tekonivel |
there's /nooo/ way to translate "at" from english to finnish.... |
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* tekonivel |
calls it a day |
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nengard |
time for lunch |
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nengard |
be back |
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wizzyrea_ |
brendan: I just made it happen! |
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wizzyrea_ |
What I did: |
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wizzyrea_ |
placed a hold on the normal holds tab |
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wizzyrea_ |
CHANGED THE PICKUP LOCATION, and the ones I changed the pickup location for all are priority 1 |
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wizzyrea_ |
let me do it again... |
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brendan |
ok set it all back to normal and place a hold for that patron from the opac |
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brendan |
I've done that and that knocks it out of wack too |
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wizzyrea_ |
normal = delete all the holds? |
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brendan |
just adjust the priorities so they are all normal |
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wizzyrea_ |
okies, gimme a sec |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: re 3595 - not yet |
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gmcharlt |
it's more complicated |
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wizzyrea_ |
always, lol |
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gmcharlt |
as some libraries need the hold_fill_targets to take precedence to minimize transits |
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gmcharlt |
but I'll cobble up yet another syspref :) |
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brendan |
hi nelsonf |
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brendan |
any overdue luck? |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: light dawns |
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gmcharlt |
hmm - may need to add a reserves.id for 3.2, then, to avoid that kind of change |
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wizzyrea_ |
gmcharlt re 3595, a syspref that controls which message shows up re: transits would be good, because right now it shows both |
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wizzyrea_ |
and it's confusing |
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brendan |
bug 3595 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595 normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold |
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wizzyrea_ |
er |
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wizzyrea_ |
no, that's not the one I was thinking of >.< |
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wizzyrea_ |
my brain is awash I'm not sure how you keep it all straight |
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wizzyrea_ |
I was thinking of 4234 |
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wizzyrea_ |
bug 4234 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4234 normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Automatic transfer shouldn't take precedence over a hold transit |
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wizzyrea_ |
christ. I will stop talking onw |
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wizzyrea_ |
now* |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: alas, light dims - I'm not able to reproduce the priority changing when I changing the pickup location from the staff bib details page |
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chris |
wizzyrea_: you are closing in on 10,000 lines in irc .. don't stop now :) |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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wizzyrea_ |
interesting, because I can do it every time |
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wizzyrea_ |
I will screencast it for you |
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wizzyrea_ |
1s |
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wizzyrea_ |
moving video! |
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prepares some popcorn |
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wizzyrea_ |
I got it! |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's when it prompts you that "logged in location is different from home location" |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/NWU1MDMy |
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schuster |
let me at it, me an munin are buds ya know I can drive him mad... |
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wizzyrea_ |
@ be |
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munin |
wizzyrea_: Error: "be" is not a valid command. |
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wizzyrea_ |
I tell you, he is having an existential crisis |
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owen |
wizzyrea_: I give you high marks for the video, but the soundtrack was lacking. |
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wizzyrea_ |
pft |
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brendan |
morning chris |
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chris |
hiya brendan, hows code4lib going |
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brendan |
good been spending more time here then listening |
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brendan |
but I'm interested in the next talk |
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wizzyrea_ |
was better than what you would have gotten, something off of my "chill" soundtrack |
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sekjal |
hey, chris. currently listening to eXtensible Catalog talk. very interesting |
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wizzyrea_ |
shortened to XCat, of course. Librarians love their acronyms. |
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wizzyrea_ |
j/k j/k |
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owen |
I don't have time to say whole words!!! |
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wizzyrea_ |
man, you should live in kansas... everything is Kan(insert here) |
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wizzyrea_ |
KanGuard |
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wizzyrea_ |
KanEd |
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chris |
sekjal: ah yeah that would be an interesting one |
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wizzyrea_ |
KanFind |
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wizzyrea_ |
Kan we not Kan anymore? |
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sekjal |
on to Matching Dirty Data |
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* owen |
mutters, "Filthy data, we hates it" |
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brendan |
second dirty thing said today |
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wizzyrea_ |
It's like Speed Matching |
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seneca |
Greetings all! |
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seneca |
Having imported most of my records from another system, I've got many records for items that no longer exist in the library |
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wizzyrea_ |
brendan: I haven't actually gotten my OPAC hold to show up at all in the staff side |
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wizzyrea_ |
when I changed my pickup location |
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seneca |
(I think the old system didn't REALLY delete things when it said it did) |
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wizzyrea_ |
after reorganizing the priorities |
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seneca |
Anyone know where/what I would look for in the mysql database to find all those records with no items and delete them all there? |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: still can't reproduce :( |
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wizzyrea_ |
no way! |
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brendan |
oh man wizzyrea_ way to add more to it :) |
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wizzyrea_ |
!! |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/YzJjNzBjYjY |
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wizzyrea_ |
here are my holds prefs |
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wizzyrea_ |
is there something terribly wrong there? |
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jwagner |
seneca, you're looking for titles with no items attached? |
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seneca |
yep |
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wizzyrea_ |
gmcharlt: on the first one you try or subsequent holds? |
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gmcharlt |
I've tried it both ways |
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wizzyrea_ |
ya, sec |
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seneca |
jwagner: I'm kinda looking around the database now and nothing's jumping out at me yet - is there a way to do a search for such items in the staff client? |
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jwagner |
seneca, I don't know the SQL, but I'll bet someone else does. Basically, you want to select everything from biblio table where biblionumber is not contained in biblioitems or items. |
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seneca |
ok, biblionumber is what I'm looking for, though, eh. Cool, that's a good first step. Thanks! |
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jwagner |
biblionumber is the linking field between biblio, biblioitems, and items. |
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seneca |
very good to know |
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chris |
seneca: select biblio.biblionumber,biblio.title from biblio left join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where items.itemnumber is null; |
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chris |
i may have just written that in postgres syntax not mysql, but you get the drift |
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seneca |
I'm sure I can grock together the SQL command from that info |
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chris |
a left join, and then find the nulls |
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seneca |
oh, thanks chris |
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chris |
right bus time |
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chris |
bbiab |
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schuster |
I like this one for the Kan comments - KanKoha...;) |
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wizzyrea_ |
hehe |
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brendan |
KanKohaKon11 |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh lordy |
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brendan |
ewh - to many k's in a row |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol I"m going to KKK11! |
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wizzyrea_ |
bad! |
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wizzyrea_ |
brendan, I got the same thing from the OPAC (this is from ages ago) changing the pickup location mucked it up |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://screencast.com/t/Y2IwMTBjY |
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brendan |
hmm.. so we've got wackiness when you change the location, wackiness when someone just places a regular hold... |
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brendan |
Wizzyrea_ can you try and del that hold from the opac and see if all the priorities go back in line |
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wizzyrea_ |
yep sec |
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wizzyrea_ |
nope :( http://screencast.com/t/ZmZiMzliNG |
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wizzyrea_ |
does yours behave differently? |
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wizzyrea_ |
because maybe mine's just messed up |
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wizzyrea_ |
which would be infuriating for all involved |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_: hmm - it stopped failing for me |
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wizzyrea_ |
!! |
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wizzyrea_ |
ok |
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wizzyrea_ |
well |
| 19:21 |
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wizzyrea_ |
maybe it's just me then |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol in an ironic looking for a cliff to leap off of kind of way |
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wizzyrea_ |
tbh, the priority list isn't that important as long as they're going to the right person in the right order |
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wizzyrea_ |
at least not for us |
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wizzyrea_ |
sh. I'm being quiet now |
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brendan |
yeah true -- it's just if patrons are looking at their priority they may ask why am I so high? |
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brendan |
heh -- that came out funny |
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brendan |
I'd reply - quick smoking stuff then |
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wizzyrea_ |
lol yea |
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wizzyrea_ |
it would be better if it were fixed though |
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wizzyrea_ |
if we can actually prove it's broken |
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sekjal |
perhaps a syspref to disable priority as a concept.... just prioritize by date. that'd work for a lot of libraries, wouldn't it? until this can get fixed |
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gmcharlt |
no, too drastic |
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gmcharlt |
and would break rather a lot of other stuff |
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sekjal |
more work than just finding the root of the problem, probably |
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gmcharlt |
I'm going to noodle around with having reserve/placerequest.pl *not* accept what the browser passes as the priority |
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gmcharlt |
and have it calculate the correct priority on the fly |
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wizzyrea_ |
gmcharlt: you using some flavor of linux + firefox? |
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wizzyrea_ |
for testing? |
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brendan |
gmcharlt stepped out for a minute |
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brendan |
peeking - looks to be firefox os X |
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brendan |
:) |
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wizzyrea_ |
well crap that's the same as what I'm using |
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* brendan |
too |
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brendan |
heh |
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wizzyrea_ |
so you do or don't get the same results as me, brendan |
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brendan |
I get similar results from the same setup |
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wizzyrea_ |
ok good then I'm not nuts |
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wizzyrea_ |
now for something completely different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]e=player_embedded |
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brendan |
bug 4201 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4201 major, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers |
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brendan |
wizzyrea_ add any comments to that |
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brendan |
or even change the setting to blocker |
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wizzyrea_ |
k |
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wizzyrea_ |
well I think it's sufficently apt to happen that it is warranted to do so |
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gmcharlt |
I've set it as a blocker for now |
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wizzyrea_ |
brendan did you see this screencap: http://screencast.com/t/MjEzM2Q4 |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea_ |
this one shows the wierdness associated with clearing the cache |
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wizzyrea_ |
i like the moving videos because then you can see exactly what I did |
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brendan |
what's that icon in the dock that spends the whole time bouncing? |
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brendan |
for wizzyrea_ |
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wizzyrea_ |
quassel |
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brendan |
googles |
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brendan |
ah |
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wizzyrea_ |
ok, afk a bit heading home, but will be back |
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brendan |
I think I spent more time watching that then watching the vdieo |
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* brendan |
goes to rewatch |
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chris |
back |
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owen |
gone |
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cait |
hm, pootle is loaaading... |
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* gmcharlt |
slaps forehead |
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gmcharlt |
two calls to _FixPriority have been broken for rather a long time |
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chris |
cait: someone keeps uploading .po files |
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chris |
and it makes pootle spin working out all the change |
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chris |
s |
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cait |
ok, will wait for pootle to figure it out |
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cait |
ah, now I got to the home page :) |
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chris |
python doesnt do threading very well |
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chris |
so its a single thread essentially, which means everythign has to wait |
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cait |
chris: thx for explaining :) |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_ et al.: please pull from the holds branch of git://git.librarypolice.com/git/koha-galen.git and try again |
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chris |
git rules |
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chris |
gmcharlt: bug 4256 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4256 blocker, P5, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, auth_by_bind doesn't fetch user LDAP entry breaking replicate |
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chris |
has a patch attached, but not sent to the list |
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chris |
just a fyi so the patch doesnt get missed, if you want i can try the patch out and send it on to the list? |
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gmcharlt |
... "along with fix for mungling of mapping (I'm not quite |
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gmcharlt |
sure that code as-is works for anyone). |
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gmcharlt |
" |
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gmcharlt |
worries me |
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chris |
yeah |
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gmcharlt |
that kind of blanket assertion is ... questionable |
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chris |
*nod* |
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* chris |
eyeballs the patch |
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chris |
so he's taken a die out |
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gmcharlt |
make it blithely process along if the user didn't specify a mapping section in the LDAP config |
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chris |
yeah |
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chris |
i dont like it |
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chris |
and if we are gonna repeat the $search_method call, lets shift it out of the if else |
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gmcharlt |
not necessarily - if you're doing auth_by_bind and *not* replicating, don't need the extra call |
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chris |
ah right you are |
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gmcharlt |
so it actually means adding *another* if :) |
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sekjal |
atz "mystery meat" lightning talk... very illuminating |
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chris |
heh, yeah seeing lots of atz++ |
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chris |
he called some vendors out huh? |
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brendan |
yup |
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brendan |
atz++ gets some here too |
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chris |
he's a good man |
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sekjal |
atz++, indeed |
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sekjal |
and brendan wins a prize! |
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chris |
w00t |
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chris |
whatcha get? |
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liz-nekls |
!! |
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brendan |
I went with the oxygen xml editor |
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chris |
ive heard good things about that |
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brendan |
yeah maybe nicole could get some from it too |
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sekjal |
nice choice, brendan. |
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chris |
when is your talk sekjal ? |
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sekjal |
tomorrow morning |
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sekjal |
10:55 local time |
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chris |
ah cool |
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sekjal |
still have to gather up more CC images to make it pretty |
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nengard |
nicole ... what?? |
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nengard |
brendan - a book on oxygen? or oxygen itself? |
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brendan |
a key for downloading oxygen |
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nengard |
oxygen is very very very expensive - I use a free XML editor :) but I used oxygen when I was a metadata librarian |
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nengard |
wow! cool - congrats |
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brendan |
yeah thinking of someway that we could share it |
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brendan |
whoops should have offed that one |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
i like the editor i'm using :) |
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brendan |
I see the license police coming after me |
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brendan |
:) |
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Lee |
so does Josh lurk here? |
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chris |
ferraro? |
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Lee |
yeah |
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chris |
not for nearly a year no |
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chris |
but this is all publicly logged |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-02-23#i_399001 |
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Lee |
well then I cant chat here |
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brendan |
you can if you use [off] |
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chris |
at the start of a message |
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Lee |
off like this |
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chris |
or just make a new # and chat there |
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brendan |
but you're right probly best not to chat here |
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chris |
no |
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chris |
its best to use a different channel, to easy to miss the off |
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brendan |
chris++ |
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Lee |
ok |
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richard |
i'd open a new channel and invite who you wanted to chat with |
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richard |
/join #lee (or whatever you choose) |
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richard |
and then |
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richard |
/invite chris (or whoever you choose) |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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sekjal |
time to pack it up for the evening. cheers, #koha |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -12.3�C (4:31 PM CST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -23.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). |
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brendan |
hi moodaepo |
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brendan |
@wunder asheville, NC |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 2.1�C (5:34 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 6 PM EST Wednesday... |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (2:32 PM PST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling). |
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moodaepo |
brendan: Ahoy |
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moodaepo |
How did your presentation go? |
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brendan |
it went very well |
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brendan |
had a good mix of people |
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moodaepo |
Nice. Too bad couldn't make it this year, next year! |
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hdl_laptop |
hi brendan... Congrats for your presentation |
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brendan |
hi hdl_laptop |
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brendan |
thanks |
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brendan |
kudos also go to gmcharlt and sekjal |
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gmcharlt |
brendan++ |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I know he is bright at presenting ;) |
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gmcharlt |
sekjall++ |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: yep, I managed to get enough coffee in me yesterday morning ;) |
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brendan |
gmcharlt++ |
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brendan |
hdl_laptop: atz was there too |
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brendan |
was great to see atz |
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hdl_laptop |
would have been great to be there |
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gmcharlt |
we missed you |
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gmcharlt |
I'm looking forward to NZ |
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chris |
:) |
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brendan |
atz was telling me that your presentation last year ( hdl_laptop ) was awesome |
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hdl_laptop |
thanks |
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hdl_laptop |
good night folks |
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gmcharlt |
good night |
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