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pianohacker |
Good evening |
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chris |
hi pianohacker, recovered from the crash? |
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pianohacker |
Hi chris |
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pianohacker |
No, not yet. Some very odd voodoo going on in that server, but since the backup is running it will have to wait till tuesday |
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chris |
yay for backups |
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chris |
http://translate.koha.org/projects/sysprefs/ |
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chris |
sysprefs now translatable, thanks to you and fredericd |
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pianohacker |
Cool! Most of the credit on that to fredericd, glad someone finally put the pieces together :) |
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braedon|work: yes - that's fine - creating 952s first works well too |
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hi all |
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brendan |
evening #koha |
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masonj |
hiya brendan |
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brendan |
heya masonj |
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masonj |
ive recently restored 'beep' functionality to my irc client... |
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Amit |
heya brendan, mason |
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brendan |
hi mait |
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yeah've I got beep functionality (it's bad during skype calls or meetings) |
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masonj |
i reluctantly switched from quassel , back to colloguy |
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i realised i missed irc-beeps |
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during the work-day :) |
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chris |
hi magnus and nicomo |
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nicomo |
hi crhis |
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nicomo |
oops |
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nicomo |
hi chris |
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magnus |
hi chris and nicomo |
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* nicomo |
not fully awaken yet |
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nicomo |
hi magnus |
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magnus |
chris: thanks for correcting history.txt ;-) |
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chris |
no worries |
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magnus |
nicomo: thanks for dumping me to 103... ;-) |
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chris |
heh |
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nicomo |
you're welcome :-) |
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htaccess |
chris: how do i get your changes on my fork? |
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chris |
good question |
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htaccess |
heh |
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chris |
i pushed them earlier today |
| 07:32 |
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chris |
im not sure how you rebase your fork |
| 07:32 |
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chris |
or if you merge or what |
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htaccess |
yea, git pull on my fork doesnt pull them in |
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htaccess |
ill look at the docs |
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chris |
i wonder if there is a doc |
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chris |
*snap* |
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htaccess |
i asked on #github too |
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htaccess |
20:18 <@tekkub> add a remote to their repo and pull |
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htaccess |
20:18 <@tekkub> http://help.github.com/forking |
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chris |
nicomo: meet htaccess he is a fellow catalysta and is interested in doing some code janitorial work |
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nicomo |
hi htaccess |
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chris |
htaccess: nicomo is one of the owners of biblibre, the biggest Koha development/support company |
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nicomo |
ah ah |
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chris |
(biggest in terms of ppl working fulltime on koha) |
| 07:34 |
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nicomo |
there's big and big |
| 07:34 |
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htaccess |
ahh, see "Pulling in upstream changes" |
| 07:34 |
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chris |
and biggest in number of patches :) |
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nicomo |
we're 10 people, no Google yet |
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htaccess |
nicomo: hi :) |
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nicomo |
;-) |
| 07:36 |
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chris |
ahh that makes sense |
| 07:37 |
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chris |
htaccess: originmaster is the branch that tracks git.koha.org/master |
| 07:45 |
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htaccess |
hmm |
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htaccess |
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in docs/history.txt |
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htaccess |
just merging originmaster |
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chris |
ah yeah i made some changes there, to fix that conflict, the version from originmaster is right |
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chris |
i had 2 ppl at 102 developers, nicomo and magnus actually :) |
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chris |
u'll end up in that file after your patches :) |
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CGI342 |
catalogue search is not working but z39.50 search is going well |
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CGI342 |
I have koha-3.004_fixed on debian lenny |
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CGI342 |
what should I do |
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htaccess |
chris: so is 'Updated history' the last commit on origionmaster? |
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chris |
lemme check |
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htaccess |
looks like it |
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htaccess |
http://github.com/ranginui/koh[…]mits/originmaster |
| 07:51 |
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htaccess |
is there any particular reason you are not just using master to track git.koha.org/master? |
| 07:51 |
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chris |
yup |
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chris |
ahh thats my master, and its a bit butchered at the mo |
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htaccess |
kk |
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htaccess |
so would it be easier for you doing merges if i commit to my originmaster branch? |
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chris |
yup |
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chris |
that would be good |
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chris |
or a branch based on it |
| 07:53 |
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htaccess |
cool |
| 07:56 |
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CGI342 |
is any one? |
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chris |
nicomo: you've seen this http://www.itworld.com/governm[…]lan-moves-forward |
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chris |
? |
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nicomo |
yeah |
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nicomo |
crazy political babble |
| 07:58 |
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nicomo |
we sadly get use to it here in France |
| 07:58 |
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nicomo |
but having an inefficient government has a nice side-effect : it's going to be 5 years before they put any law into effect, so... |
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paul_p |
hi chris & al |
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nicomo |
but still, it's a disturbing instance of demagoguery + ignorance + authoritarianism |
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chris |
*nod* the scary thing is, others will follow (well australia already has their filter) |
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nicomo |
yeah, France and Australia really seem to be in a competition for that price of runner-up to China |
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nicomo |
:-( |
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chris |
its a strange world |
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paul_p |
maybe we could plan a massive move to NZ ? ;-) |
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chris |
hehe |
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CGI342 |
catalogue search is not working but z39.50 search is going wel |
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CGI342 |
I have koha-3.004_fixed on debian lenny |
| 08:09 |
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htaccess |
chris: |
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htaccess |
$ diff <(find -name '*.pl') <(find . -name '*.pl' -print0 | xargs -0 egrep -l '^use warnings') | grep '<' | wc -l |
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htaccess |
228 |
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chris |
quite a few |
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htaccess |
out of 471 |
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chris |
over halfway at least :) |
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htaccess |
:) |
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htaccess |
time to get to work! |
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chris |
how was breakfast magnus |
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magnus |
nice enough, thanks |
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kf |
good mornign |
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magnus |
should keep me going for some hours... |
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magnus |
hiya kf |
| 08:14 |
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chris |
hiya kf |
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kf |
chris: I saw the translation updates - any news about my button problem? |
| 08:15 |
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chris |
haven't been able to figure out whats up |
| 08:15 |
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chris |
ill figure it out though :) |
| 08:19 |
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htaccess |
hmm, im tempted to just do a oneliner to do s/use strict;/use strict;\n#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505/ and then review it carefully vs editing all the files by hand |
| 08:19 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt gmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
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chris |
i think that's safe enough, as the worst that can happen is a double up of use warnings, with one being a comment |
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chris |
hi htaccess |
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chris |
doh tab fail |
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chris |
hi hdl_laptop |
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hdl_laptop |
hi chris |
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kf |
chris: thx (was afk, fighting for a birthday muffin in the kitchen) |
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chris |
hehe |
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htaccess |
theres a few missing use strict too |
| 08:36 |
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chris |
right, those should definitely be fixed |
| 08:36 |
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htaccess |
yea, but ill do it as a seperate commit |
| 08:37 |
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chris |
sounds good |
| 08:43 |
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htaccess |
ill make a bug for it too (if there isnt one already), can anyone create bugs on buzilla? |
| 08:45 |
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kf |
htaccess: yes, but I think you need to register first |
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kf |
can someone help me with bug 4226? |
| 09:16 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't replace 001 when keepids is not specified |
| 09:17 |
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kf |
Im not sure I understand what Brian is suggesting |
| 09:19 |
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chris |
gah, marc makes my brain hurt |
| 09:20 |
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chris |
i cant really parse that either |
| 09:34 |
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nicomo |
kf: when you import an auth record |
| 09:34 |
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nicomo |
it comes with it's own ID in 001 |
| 09:35 |
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nicomo |
but Koha needs to have it's own ID in the DB and links it to 001 |
| 09:35 |
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nicomo |
so one way to do that is to try to reuse the incoming 001 as the koha authid |
| 09:36 |
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nicomo |
but that's dangerous, I guess is what he's saying |
| 09:36 |
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nicomo |
the number might not be unique |
| 09:36 |
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nicomo |
koha expects an integer and it might not be |
| 09:36 |
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nicomo |
etc. |
| 09:37 |
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nicomo |
that's what I gather from the bug report at least |
| 09:38 |
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nicomo |
in UNIMARC we would use the -keepids option and push the original to 009 or 035 and let Koha generate it's own authid in 035 |
| 09:38 |
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nicomo |
original 001 to 009; new authid created by Koha in 001 |
| 09:39 |
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nicomo |
I think (not sure) that what Brian is missing is that possibility to keepids, but move them |
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kf |
nicomo: sorry, a colleague came to ask me something - reading back now |
| 09:43 |
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slef |
just sent version control tag snapshots of koha 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 to chris. Is anyone here with access to download.koha.org? |
| 09:43 |
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kf |
nicomo: we get all our data from our union catalog - the id numbers are in bibiographic and authority data, so just moving around would still make problems - the authid in bibliographic must match the authority id |
| 09:44 |
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kf |
nicomo: I was not sure, if his suggestion will break it |
| 09:45 |
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nicomo |
I have to say I don't see the need for the change mentionned |
| 09:45 |
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nicomo |
unless I'm missing something myself |
| 09:45 |
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nicomo |
and yes, it might break it |
| 09:45 |
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nicomo |
as far as I can tell |
| 09:45 |
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kf |
ok |
| 09:46 |
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kf |
I came to this conclusion too - but was not sure |
| 09:46 |
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nicomo |
In a similar situation what we've done is: |
| 09:46 |
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nicomo |
keepid 035 |
| 09:46 |
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kf |
migration might be not the problem, but cataloging is done in the union catalog and we import data every night |
| 09:46 |
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nicomo |
kf: yes, we have that too |
| 09:46 |
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kf |
ah, right |
| 09:46 |
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nicomo |
and still move the id |
| 09:46 |
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kf |
which number do u use as authnumber then? |
| 09:47 |
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nicomo |
bulkmarcimport returns a list of authids with the corresponding original ids |
| 09:47 |
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nicomo |
authid:keptid |
| 09:47 |
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* chris |
goes to bed |
| 09:47 |
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chris |
night all |
| 09:47 |
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nicomo |
bye chris |
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kf |
good night chris |
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| 09:48 |
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nicomo |
kf: we then use the authid to write it in the biblio record and make the link |
| 09:48 |
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kf |
and you replace the numbers in bibliographic data with koha ids? |
| 09:48 |
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nicomo |
yes |
| 09:48 |
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nicomo |
that way we can both: have the original ids somewhere in both biblio and auth records |
| 09:48 |
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kf |
sounds complicated |
| 09:49 |
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nicomo |
and at the same time use the "native" koha link to the authid |
| 09:49 |
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nicomo |
it does sound complicated |
| 09:49 |
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nicomo |
but then Brian's problem is a real one |
| 09:49 |
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nicomo |
what if the original ID is not an integer? |
| 09:49 |
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kf |
we have that g |
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| 09:50 |
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kf |
9 characters and the last can be X |
| 09:50 |
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nicomo |
is it 0-padded on the left? |
| 09:51 |
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nicomo |
I should say: left-added with zeros? |
| 09:51 |
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kf |
I think not, or perhaps I have never seen numbers that low: 160247667 is an example |
| 09:51 |
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nicomo |
this one would work |
| 09:51 |
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nicomo |
but 00000123X would not |
| 09:52 |
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nicomo |
and even with 160247667 |
| 09:52 |
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kf |
the last charater is a check digit, so we delete it in bibliographic data and use the 8digit form as authid |
| 09:52 |
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nicomo |
if you want to create a local authority, it will try to create 160247667+1 |
| 09:52 |
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nicomo |
which might later conflict with an incoming record |
| 09:53 |
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kf |
yes, that would be a problem, but they are not allowed to |
| 09:53 |
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kf |
your solution is better |
| 09:53 |
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nicomo |
so anyway we felt we had to do something a bit more complicated, but "cleaner" in the long run |
| 09:53 |
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kf |
is it included in cronjobs or doesi t need extra work? |
| 09:54 |
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nicomo |
you mean is it entirely automated? |
| 09:54 |
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kf |
yes, sorry |
| 09:54 |
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nicomo |
no problem: yes it is |
| 09:54 |
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nicomo |
we have a script which takes the authorities 1st |
| 09:55 |
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nicomo |
gets a yaml file with authid XXX = original ID = YYYY |
| 09:55 |
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nicomo |
goes through the biblios with that |
| 09:55 |
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nicomo |
and creates / modifies local records accordingly |
| 09:56 |
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kf |
ah ok, will this be part of 3.2? |
| 09:56 |
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nicomo |
not that I know of |
| 09:56 |
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nicomo |
maybe 3.4 |
| 09:56 |
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nicomo |
but I'm not even sure because it's not really a part of Koha |
| 09:57 |
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nicomo |
it's "massaging" of marc files |
| 09:57 |
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kf |
yes, but it would help people in 'union catalog environments' |
| 09:57 |
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nicomo |
and it's pretty tailored to the use of the French Union Catalog |
| 09:57 |
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nicomo |
it's already available actually |
| 09:57 |
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nicomo |
just not in Koha |
| 09:58 |
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nicomo |
http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]p=sudoc;a=summary |
| 09:58 |
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nicomo |
I guess one could start from that and adapt it to further Union Catalog environments |
| 09:58 |
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kf |
its pica? |
| 09:58 |
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nicomo |
more or less |
| 09:59 |
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nicomo |
with some modifications for the french market |
| 09:59 |
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nicomo |
but the basis system used is PICA, that's correct |
| 09:59 |
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kf |
I just asked because i see a PPN there :) |
| 09:59 |
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nicomo |
eheh, yes |
| 10:00 |
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nicomo |
we've all become bilingual human / pica |
| 10:00 |
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kf |
I think the bigger problem might be the import format, so when koha changes we will need to write our own script to do the changes |
| 10:00 |
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nicomo |
not sure |
| 10:01 |
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nicomo |
the approach we took was basically to do all the required work on data outside of koha |
| 10:01 |
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nicomo |
then use the standard addbiblio |
| 10:01 |
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nicomo |
modbiblio |
| 10:01 |
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nicomo |
etc |
| 10:02 |
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nicomo |
kf: I added a comment on Brian's bug page |
| 10:03 |
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kf |
I just read it |
| 10:04 |
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kf |
I m trying to describe our problem right now |
| 10:04 |
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kf |
not sure it will be understandable |
| 10:04 |
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nicomo |
kf: and PPNs are left-padded with 0000 |
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kf |
ah, so I never saw a small number :) |
| 10:04 |
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kf |
might be because our union catalog migrated from another software some years ago |
| 10:05 |
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kf |
thx for discussing this with me, nicomo :) |
| 10:05 |
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nicomo |
you're welcome |
| 10:06 |
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nicomo |
I'd be interested in exchanging information about the way we both manage the PICA union systems |
| 10:06 |
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nicomo |
and their interactions with Koha locally though |
| 10:08 |
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kf |
sure |
| 10:08 |
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kf |
but I think there is not so much interaction right now |
| 10:09 |
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kf |
we do the nightly imports for new and changed data and the library can download data with z39.50 after cataloging |
| 10:09 |
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kf |
I tell them to add the PPN to fast adds after cataloging in union catalog is done - so not much real interaction here |
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gmcharlt |
kf: nicomo: now that MARC21 supports $0 in headings fields to link a heading back to an authority, it will get even more complicate |
| 10:44 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: nobody here has direct access to download.koha.org, but thus far cfouts has been responsive to requests to put files up |
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kf |
gmcharlt: yes, and $0 is repeatable, we move 'our' $0 to $9 |
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slef |
@seen cfouts |
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munin |
slef: I have not seen cfouts. |
| 10:53 |
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gmcharlt |
kf: yeah - I think we'd be better off if Koha didn't rely on storing the heading-to-auth link in the MARC record |
| 10:53 |
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htaccess |
grrr merge conflicts :( |
| 10:53 |
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gmcharlt |
slef: you'll have to email him directly - cfoutsliblime.com |
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gmcharlt |
and kept the linkage info out of band |
| 10:53 |
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gmcharlt |
using the $0 or the equivalent only for record import and export |
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kf |
better support for $0 would be nice, but our current solution works fine - I just dont want someone to break it :) |
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Amit |
heya galen, kf, slef |
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kf |
we also delete (DE-576), source of authority number, because it does not work with zebra |
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kf |
hi Amit |
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htaccess |
um could someone tell me which are the correct bits in these two files: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/5af2bc |
| 10:57 |
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htaccess |
i have a merge confilct rebasing |
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gmcharlt |
htaccess: I don't recognize the GetMemberRevisions bit - is that a local development you're working on? |
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htaccess |
its from chrises origionmaster which it tracking git.koha master afaik |
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htaccess |
http://github.com/ranginui/koh[…]ter/C4/Members.pm |
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htaccess |
looks like the top one for Members.pm |
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htaccess |
and the tmpl one |
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gmcharlt |
right - the issue isn't necessarily with the repo you're rebasing from |
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gmcharlt |
but that you have patches in your tree that didn't come from the main HEAD (or originnmaster in your case) |
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gmcharlt |
if you can abort the rebase |
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htaccess |
well i just did a continue after fixing those |
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htaccess |
and now i got more conflicts |
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htaccess |
i think its stuff from chrises master |
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gmcharlt |
do a git log in your local repo - I'm curious what it says about the Revision History tab patch |
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gmcharlt |
ah, OK, I see the patch in chris' master branch |
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htaccess |
http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/04b3fb |
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htaccess |
i just committed a big patch to this branch tho, i though i had merged it properly before i started |
| 11:13 |
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gmcharlt |
anyway, it looks like your topic branch was based on chris' master branch, but you tried rebasing against originmaster |
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htaccess |
yea i tried rebasing against originmaster |
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tekonivel |
hello all |
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tekonivel |
i'm translating Koha to finnish (language of Finland :) |
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tekonivel |
i would like to hear what is your favourite way to test the translation |
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tekonivel |
perhaps we should define a new pseudo-language in the interface, and use our translation-in-progres .po -file for that |
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kf |
tekonivel: are u using pootle for translation? |
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tekonivel |
yeah, pootle indeed |
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tekonivel |
on Koha site |
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htaccess |
oh well, its either merge hell or throw away a huge patch i spent the evening on ... |
| 11:17 |
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tekonivel |
i thought i could download the .po -file with wget, and assign it to a language, say fi_FI-test, and then iterate thought testing, translating and wgetting |
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* htaccess |
goes to bed |
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kf |
not sure I understand your problem, we have a test installation where we update translation with files from pootle after I changed things. |
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tekonivel |
kf: you're not using a live system while testing the translatin, are you |
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kf |
where is the advantage of a pseudo language to the normal language code? |
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tekonivel |
kf: then users won't get all confused when the interfaces keeps changing all the time |
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kf |
no, our test installation, but we had no problems so far |
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tekonivel |
to isolate users, basically |
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tekonivel |
kf: what method are you using to update the translation, from Pootle to your Koha. wget or something similar? or is there a proper tool for this? |
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tekonivel |
that i should be aware of |
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tekonivel |
hmm, testing the translation with a live system might yield some user feedback |
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kf |
my colleague does the updates, but I think he uses wget |
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tekonivel |
kf: ok, thanks |
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tekonivel |
we're only translated 25% of the OPAC at this time, so no tests are beginning yet |
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kf |
tekonivel: chris hat a koha installation for translation some time ago - perhaps ask him how he kept it up to date |
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tekonivel |
but i was wondering if there's a standard procedure for this |
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tekonivel |
kf: ok thanks, this straightened my thought quite a bit |
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tekonivel |
kf: which language are u translating, by the way? |
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kf |
German |
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tekonivel |
kf: genau :) |
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kf |
be warned: translation is a neverending process |
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tekonivel |
kf: i didn't want to hear that :) |
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kf |
something is changed, you find new typos, terms got translated differently at different places... |
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kf |
neverneverneverending ;) |
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tekonivel |
luckily we've got a fairly standard library-lingo up here in Finland |
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tekonivel |
it's so much easier to update translation of Koha that some proprietary system, because we can do the modifications ourselves |
| 11:29 |
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kf |
yes it is :) |
| 11:31 |
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tekonivel |
instad of waiting for a year for a comma to be replaced |
| 11:33 |
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tekonivel |
anyhow, a few libraries are interested in Koha up here in Finland, and we're translating the OPAC as a centralized effort on behalf of Kirjastot.fi (it's all a bit complicated to explain how we're organized9 |
| 11:34 |
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tekonivel |
we even have a handful of libraries using Koha in their everyday operations, though no public libraries at the moment |
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kf |
:) |
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tekonivel |
we're are possibly facing a very unconvenient situation, where one company (Axiell) has full market dominance in public library systems. we're now translating koha to feed discussion and hopefully also dynamics on the marketplace |
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gmcharlt |
tekonivel++ |
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kf |
tekonivel++ |
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gmcharlt |
when I was at Endeavor, I worked a bit with the LINNEA consortium and their Voyager setup |
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tekonivel |
awwwww |
| 11:51 |
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gmcharlt |
I happy to see that some libraries there are looking at Koha |
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tekonivel |
gmcharlt: yeah the situation is kind of odd here at the moment |
| 11:52 |
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tekonivel |
Axiell bought all the library systems on the market |
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tekonivel |
so now they basically have a monopoly in defining what kinds of library services 4.5 million finnish taxpayers can get |
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tekonivel |
in the helsinki region (about 1 million ppl) we're using Innovative Millenium |
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tekonivel |
i'm talking about public libraries here... academic and other sorts of libraries are a world of theeir own |
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slef |
tekonivel: as I understand it, it's unusual in global sense for any library management system to be dominant in a country/sector market, but I think it happens more often in your part of the world and I'm not sure why. |
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slef |
(software.coop sold Koha to a client in Sweden a few years ago and it was very tough) |
| 11:58 |
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tekonivel |
yeah... :( it's a small market up here and libraries tend to choose what the neighbour has too |
| 11:59 |
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tekonivel |
earlier we had the market basically divided between ATP and Tieto, (after a few merges), but nowadays it's just Axiell alone (plus Innovative in Helsinki region, like mentioned |
| 11:59 |
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magnus |
norway is a bit different, we have a mix of systems in public libraries |
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tekonivel |
magnus: you've got Axiell there too, don't you? |
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magnus |
not much, we have norwegian systems |
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tekonivel |
ah ok |
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magnus |
Bibliofil, Mikromarc, Tidemann and some Aleph in the public libraries |
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slef |
Is that because of the languages, or other factors? |
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tekonivel |
have you any idea if Axiell has been looking at your market at all? here it was a bit of a surprise... they came from nowhere and acquired all of Finland, basically |
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magnus |
i think language is a part of it, yeah |
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tekonivel |
slef: that's one thing definetely |
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slef |
I have heard from Welsh libraries that they have had to translate Engish systems (often a legal requirement) and pay for the privilege of doing so. |
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magnus |
and i think norwegian libraries have some notion of being special and not able to use what others are using... |
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tekonivel |
magnus: lol that sounds so familiar... |
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magnus |
we are going to have out big, national library conference in about a month, and Axiell is actually not among the exhibitors - maybe too busy in Finland... ;-) but koha will be there! ;-) |
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magnus |
s/out/our/ |
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slef |
Special \Spe"cial\, a. [...] 4. Limited in range; [1913 Webster] |
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magnus |
slef: hehe |
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slef |
English is an evil language. |
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tekonivel |
magnus: awesome :) |
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tekonivel |
magnus: have you been keeping an eye on danish projects, like Summa and TING? |
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magnus |
tekonivel: yeah, a bit, from a distance - they are doing some very interesting things |
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kf |
lunch time, bbl |
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tekonivel |
magnus: great. i'm sure they'd be willing to cooperate |
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magnus |
tekonivel: there is going to be some cooperation around the swedish project Öppna bibliotek (sharing of user-generated data) this year, we just got the grant to do it |
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tekonivel |
magnus: fscking a!! great, go for it! |
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tekonivel |
magnus: i wish we had something like that too. |
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tekonivel |
i want to join you guys :) |
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tekonivel |
have you had chats with Teknikhuset and their CS Library? |
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magnus |
tekonivel: you are probably very welcome! there will be a conference/hackfest around it, probably after the summer |
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magnus |
tekonivel: no, i have heard about them, nut not been in contact |
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magnus |
s/nut/but/ |
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tekonivel |
magnus: ok, their products seems quite well thought. only in the discovery layer -arena though |
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tekonivel |
it's works with Koha too :) |
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tekonivel |
or so they claim... i haven't seen that in action |
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magnus |
they have a discovery layer that works with koha? |
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tekonivel |
magnus: yeah, so they claim |
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magnus |
ok |
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tekonivel |
but other dicovery layers are Koha compatible too, like SOPAC |
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magnus |
yeah, when you have an open system like koha that supports lots of protocols it shouldn't be too hard... ;-) |
| 12:17 |
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tekonivel |
magnus: yeah, but there's no proper, standard way for ILS<->OPAC interaction, so screenscraping and reindexing needs to be done, with backlinks for functions like placing holds |
| 12:18 |
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tekonivel |
but yeah, so much easier if you can pop the hood of the ILS and take a look what happens underneath |
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magnus |
i'm collecting statistics - is there any way to get the number of performed searches from inside Koha, or is that a job for the apache logs? |
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jdavidb |
I would definitely do that through the apache logs, magnus. |
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magnus |
thanks, that's what i thought... |
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jdavidb |
You'd have to have AccessLog set to something meaningful in the Vhost definition, of course. Those logs can get pretty big in a hurry, so best done carefully. |
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owen |
Hi everyone |
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jwagner |
G'morning owen |
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kf |
hi owen and jwagner |
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owen |
You guys getting rain over there in the DC area? |
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jwagner |
Not yet, due in later tonight, I think. |
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jwagner |
Guten tag, kf |
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owen |
We've got it today, and it's a refreshing change |
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jwagner |
owen, as long as it's JUST rain and not ice or more snow... |
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gmcharlt |
greetings from not-so-sunny Asheville |
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owen |
Hi gmcharlt |
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jwagner |
Code4Lib? Hope it's fun. |
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kf |
online training - bbl :) |
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owen |
Is this new or have I not noticed it before? On my search results page: "7 available: * Wells [J DiTerlizzi] (1)" |
| 13:50 |
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owen |
Where are the other 6? |
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collum |
owen: did you apply my 'on hold' patch I did this weekend? Hope it's not a result of my patch. |
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owen |
That's just what I was testing collum, and I don't think it's a result of your patch. |
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* owen |
tries again |
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owen |
No collum I see this in one of my older branches too |
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owen |
It's only because I was looking carefully at the "on hold" status from your patch collum that I noticed the item count |
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collum |
Do you get different results for xsl and non-xsl displays? |
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jwagner |
owen, I've seen something similar, trying to remember where & what the fix was. You're not running independent branches, are you? |
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owen |
No |
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owen |
XSL results in the OPAC are correct |
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owen |
(and your fix is working for me collum) |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: around ? |
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* collum |
saw a discrepancy in a record yesterday between xsl and non-xsl, but I thought it was bad data. |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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chris_n |
any thoughts on what might cause a new item not to be indexed in zebra even though the entry in zebraqueue is marked as done? |
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chris_n |
this has happened for every item cataloged since last Thursday |
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chris_n |
rebuild_zebra.pl has been running with no errors every 20 minutes |
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hdl_laptop |
some changes in record.abs ? |
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hdl_laptop |
a space attack |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
probably the second, the way things go around here :) |
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chris_n |
I'll take a look at record.abs |
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hdl_laptop |
(seriously, space in record.abs can beak things) |
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hdl_laptop |
(in the index declaration) |
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chris_n |
ahh.. I see |
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gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop |
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gmcharlt |
what's up? |
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hdl_laptop |
Just to tell You I had received your email. |
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hdl_laptop |
Gonna work on that. |
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hdl_laptop |
and revert this patch |
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liz-nekls |
good morning |
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hdl_laptop |
hi liz-nekls |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
mornin hdl_laptop |
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waves at wizzyrea_laptop. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
:D hi there! |
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velcroes liz-nekls to her chair. |
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liz-nekls |
lol |
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liz-nekls |
gmcharlt: I left off something very important on 4231 |
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liz-nekls |
this is the intranet cart, not the opac cart, but even so I wasn't able to reproduce it this morning |
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liz-nekls |
so I'm asking my coworkers to please check it again this morning |
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* owen |
wonders why the leader for all children's picture books in our collection indicates that they are sound recordings... |
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liz-nekls |
I pulled the new weekend stuff, will look at the status stuff here in a bit |
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liz-nekls |
lots of stuff today |
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tekonivel |
oshit! |
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tekonivel |
translate.koha.org is b00rken :( |
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tekonivel |
i wonder if any admins are here atm |
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tekonivel |
they're possibly fast asleep |
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wizzyrea |
chris will be up in a couple of hours |
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zico |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
hi zico |
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zico |
i am watching a strange matter in Koha-3.0.5 |
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zico |
i don`t know.. if it is bug or not |
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zico |
but.. when i search any book and click "Browse Shelf" |
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zico |
then..the images of books of that Shelf comes same |
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zico |
means... i am getting same image for each and every item of Shelf |
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zico |
is it bug of koha-3.0.5 or not? |
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zico |
can anyone help me a little? |
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Ropuch |
zico: it's the same for me |
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zico |
Ropuch: so, it`s a bug? |
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zico |
is it bug? |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, I like the sound for "hold found" |
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wizzyrea |
very pretty |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
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joetho_away |
test |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
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hdl_laptop |
zico: could be a bug in 3.0.5 |
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zico |
Ah!!! :( |
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hdl_laptop |
I donot have any image on my instance So Cannot test |
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joetho_away |
older Koha versions get images based on ISBN. I'm not sure about v3.05. |
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wizzyrea |
zico: are they amazon images or google images |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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zico |
wizzyrea: they are google images |
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wizzyrea |
is it the same with the amazon images? |
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brendan |
@wunder asheville, nc |
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brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 8.4�C (11:21 AM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling). |
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@wunder 93117 |
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brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.8�C (8:17 AM PST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). |
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@wunder 20852 |
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jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 6.8�C (11:13 AM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
hi #koha |
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Hi, kf! :) |
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jdavidb: I can't decide if that's exciting or ominous |
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kf |
pootle is ill - does chris knowß |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, jdavidb's weather forecast? |
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:P It looks very nice out there right now. Just chilly. But the piles of snow and ice are meltin'. |
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kf |
bye all :) |
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@wunder lyon france |
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nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 11.8�C (5:00 PM CET on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.35 in 993.8 hPa (Steady). |
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nicomo |
eh, I have Californian weather: 11.8°C :-) |
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@wunder Lawrence, KS |
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wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -5.1�C (10:46 AM CST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising). |
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wizzyrea |
brr |
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nicomo |
omg |
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wizzyrea |
snow everywhere :P |
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jwagner |
nicomo, you wouldn't be gloating, would you? |
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nicomo |
indeed I am |
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jwagner |
Harrumph. |
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nicomo |
just compensation for Paul, who's in warmer still Marseille |
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nicomo |
@wunder marseille france |
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nicomo: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (5:30 PM CET on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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brings in another Velcro Chair, and sits down on it. |
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* jwagner |
hopes jdavidb has some padding.... |
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jdavidb |
Plenty. :P |
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tekonivel |
i wonder if anyone here could do something about Koha Pootle at http://translate.koha.org. It barfs on me :-Q |
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owen |
tekonivel: I think you'll have to wait for chris to wake up |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb++ |
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gmcharlt |
liz-nekls: thanks |
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jdavidb |
Thanks, gmcharlt! Was that for the 3482 pull req? |
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gmcharlt |
yep |
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jdavidb |
:) |
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jdavidb |
We had two different folks go at that two different ways; at some point, it may be useful to reconcile them--but they work. |
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jwagner |
@karma jdavidb |
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does a little happy dance. |
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* jwagner |
will have to get to work, accruing new karma, to stay ahead.... |
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jdavidb |
@karma jwagner |
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munin |
jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18. |
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jdavidb |
oooooo... |
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puts on my karma-magnet suit |
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ebegin |
Are the tweet of Koha ILS are generated automatically? |
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ebegin |
I mean on http://twitter.com/kohails |
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tekonivel |
owen: ok no worries. i'm going through the answers of our 23 things -cource in the meanwhile :) |
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owen |
ebegin: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs |
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ebegin |
Asking the question because the links always point to the diff pages, not the page themself, ex: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]266856895&do=diff |
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owen |
ebegin: I agree that is annoying, but I think it may be a limitation of the wiki software in terms of what kind of RSS it generates |
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gmcharlt |
ebegin: yes - I think it's something nengard set up that's pulling from a couple RSS feeds |
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nengard |
I didn't like it either until chris pointed out that the page it points to at least shows us what's changed |
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gmcharlt |
never mind |
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nengard |
own and gmcharlt are right - I having it pull any Koha specific rss I can find |
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gmcharlt |
owen answered that :) |
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ebegin |
nengard, in my opiniion, someone clicking on the link through twitter would expect to get the content. Make sense? |
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nengard |
it does |
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nengard |
but i can't do anything about it |
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nengard |
tha's the wiki RSS feed - so unless that changes.... |
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ebegin |
Was that a limitation of wiki? |
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nengard |
don't know if it's a limitation ... it's just the way the rss is generated ... don't knwo if we can change it |
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owen |
Is the wiki hosted by LibLime? |
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ebegin |
ok. You can add some string manipulation on the feed within Yahoo Pipes to get rid of "&do=diff" at the end |
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owen |
That's an interesting idea ebegin |
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nengard |
owen ebegin - but this is one of those situations where we're split |
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nengard |
some people like that it goes to the diff page... |
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* gmcharlt |
prefers the diffs |
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nengard |
:) see |
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gmcharlt |
owen: yes |
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nengard |
i think we should just leave it and those who don't like it can click on the page link at the top to see the full page |
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owen |
But gmcharlt, if you want to see the diffs couldn't you use the RSS feed? |
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ebegin |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
but owen, if you want to see the full pages, couldn't you click on the links? |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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nengard |
i'll let the boys duke it out |
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ebegin |
I think that it useless to tweet the differences on a page on twitter... |
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nengard |
the yahoo pipe poulates a lot of pages automatically - not just twitter |
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is having hard time to remember his yahoo ID and pwd... it's been so long... |
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is not a diff fan :P |
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owen |
The trouble is, just pointing to the page without indication that (let alone how) it has been updated is similarly confusing. |
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nengard |
agreed |
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chris |
amy works at ptfs now? |
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chris |
and morning all |
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chris |
pootle fixed, fredericd fyi, pootle leaks ram and needs a restart every so often |
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chris_n |
ram_leaks-- |
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ebegin |
karma ram_leaks |
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ebegin |
@karma ram_leaks |
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ebegin |
@wunder montreal, quebec |
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ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is -2.0�C (1:00 PM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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chris |
@wunder wellington, nz |
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chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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collum |
@wunder 41011 |
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collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 7.8�C (1:25 PM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 4 PM EST this afternoon... |
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collum |
Melting snow. |
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jwagner |
melting_snow++ |
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i'm trying to install 3.02-alpha and Makefile.PL mentions a perl modules that I can't find in cpan. Graphics::Magick |
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gmcharlt |
wajasu: what platform are you using? |
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wajasu |
wondering where I can find the perl module Graphics::Magick to install 3.02-alpha |
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gmcharlt |
trying to help you - are you running Debian, Ubuntu, or the like? |
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gmcharlt |
if so, you can apt-get install libimage-magick-perl |
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wajasu |
i'm running archlinux. Trying to write up an install.archlinux |
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wajasu |
ok let me see if there is a perlmagick package |
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wajasu |
i might have found something. I'll check if it has perl bindings. |
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gmcharlt |
wajasu: http://www.graphicsmagick.org/perl.html |
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schuster |
wizzyrea or nengard about? |
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owen |
Oh wow, "claims returned." Our old system had that and I almost forgot about it. |
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owen |
We never understood what it was for :) |
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schuster |
I need someone to test adding a patron for me and tell me if the memberentry.pl is missing first name on the form. I have Surname and other name only. |
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schuster |
This is a git pull from ?? Last night? |
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owen |
I see first name. |
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gmcharlt |
as do I |
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schuster |
This is a fresh install nothing ever on this computer other than windows before Debian took over. |
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schuster |
3.01.00.124 - is that what you all have? |
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owen |
Yes |
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schuster |
very odd... |
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schuster |
This is for a "NEW" patron not an existing one. |
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owen |
What category patron schuster? |
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schuster |
Oh ... I selected library... |
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schuster |
Didn't think about categories asking for different things. |
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gmcharlt |
yeah - theory is that institutional patrons don't have first names |
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schuster |
That explains it then... |
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owen |
...but shouldn't there just be one "name" field, labelled "name?" |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, that would make more sense than "surname" |
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thought that had been working properly before |
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* jdavidb |
grumps around some. Two choices for internet service, and both of them stink. |
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owen |
That sounds like the American way, where the "two" is sometimes replaced with "one" |
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gmcharlt |
yes, we're quite proud of our "hi"-"speed" internet service |
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jdavidb |
Verizon's service rocked, technologically, until the Snowpocalypse on Feb 7. (Took them three tries to get *billing* right, but the service worked.) Been down ever since. |
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jdavidb |
I told them if a Verizon tech happened by here, I'd make sure he stayed here until it was fixed. I got a big chain and a padlock... |
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chris |
back |
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cait |
hi chris |
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chris |
hiya cait |
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braedon|work |
anyone know the function used to hash borrower passwords? |
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chris |
md5_base64 |
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chris |
from Digest::MD5 |
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braedon|work |
ahh, done in perl |
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braedon|work |
fun |
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braedon|work |
was assuming it was the mysql md5 hash |
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chris |
naw, thats less portable |
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owen |
Lots of great enhancements coming up from PTFS! |
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owen |
(and Middletown Township Public Library) |
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chris |
oh yeah? |
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chris |
awesome |
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owen |
new stuff in Bugzilla at least |
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jwagner |
owen, I'm finally getting around to creating the bugzilla entries for the last dozen or so that I didn't do earlier. Some of them I think are going to be VERY well received. |
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chris |
sweet |
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owen |
jwagner: I'd love to hear how you implemented Bug 4238. We've talked about that one before but no one ever followed through |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4238 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, OPAC timeout feature for patron privacy |
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jwagner |
I'm particularly interested in what people think of Bug 4237 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4237 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add other item statuses |
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jwagner |
owen, I don't know specifics on the code without looking, but it's a simple timeout -- no activity for X seconds and it goes back to OPAC main page (and does a logout if someone is logged in). |
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chris |
that will be handy, actually both will :) |
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* chris |
looks forward to committing the patches to 3.4 |
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owen |
jwagner: Do you know if it clear the Cart? |
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jwagner |
Good question. I'd have to set up a test & see. |
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owen |
Bug 4239! |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles |
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jwagner |
owen, that's the one I was talking to you about a couple of weeks ago, that might be extended to what you were wanting. |
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jwagner |
(only allow holds on certain item types, wasn't it?) |
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* owen |
wonders if he asked for a pony |
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chris |
wow that will be awseome |
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chris |
if that gets done we are back at 1.03 ;-) |
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chris |
HLT will be super happy |
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cait |
our library too |
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owen |
the bug report says it works per-itemtype. I'd love to see the option of alternatively doing it per-ccode |
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owen |
Poor HLT, the wide world got ahold of their software and junked it up something good ;) |
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chris |
hehe, they got plenty back in return |
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chris |
but it is nice features they used to love are coming back |
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chris |
as well as all the new ones they also love |
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jwagner |
owen, yes I think you also asked for a pony during that conversation. However, none of our clients have sponsored pony functionality. Therefore, you're on your own for that one :-) |
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cait |
lol |
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owen |
jwagner: I barely recall our previous conversation. |
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owen |
I do wonder about the example you cite in the bug report: a multiple-volume DVD. |
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jwagner |
Like one title for Lost, with items attached for Season One, Season Two, etc. |
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owen |
Setting the rule to apply to your "DVD" item type will allow multi-item holds on all DVDs. Does that mean they intend to create a separate itemtype for multi-volume DVDs? |
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jwagner |
I'm not sure it's come up as a problem so far. I think they're allowing it on all DVDs. If it were a problem, then yes, they'd have to create a separate item type. |
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* owen |
wonders how difficult it would be to modify the feature to accept ccodes... |
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cait |
I think its useful for serials |
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owen |
Definitely useful for serials. |
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owen |
If we get this enhancement it will enable us to actually use Koha's serials management. |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
bug 4240 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC |
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jwagner |
owen, I don't know. Shouldn't be too hard -- maybe set up a different syspref & copy the code we did for item types? |
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cait |
nice! |
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collum |
:) |
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collum |
For all of the enhancements. |
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collum |
Another variation of holds would be to tie bibs together. Multiple bibs satisfying one hold. In other words, I don't care if I get the large type or regular type. |
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owen |
That's Koha version 1 isn't it chris? :) |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, it had a concept of meta-bibs |
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chris |
yeah id love to get that back, maybe at a level above marc .. rather than between biblio and item like it used to be |
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collum |
interesting |
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gmcharlt |
possibly adopting by adopting FRBRisms |
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chris |
MARC has a lot to answer for :) |
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jwagner |
collum, see Bug 4243 -- I think your patch from last night may have done something similar? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4243 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Show hold status in OPAC/staff |
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owen |
jwagner: Regarding http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]hment.cgi?id=1662 |
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owen |
The yellow box at the bottom is a message displayed below the holdings table? |
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jwagner |
Yes. It should be the total count of all holds on the title. |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: collum's patch does part of that |
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jwagner |
It sounded like it, from the description. Yet another one to reconcile :-( |
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collum |
jwagner: yep. What they said --- |
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chris |
gmcharlt: i just tested 4155 |
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chris |
the js is still not letting me click save when i toggle a checkbox |
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gmcharlt |
anything in the javascript error console or Firebug? |
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jwagner |
OK, I have maybe 4-5 more that aren't entered, but I need to gather more info on them first. |
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chris |
ahh my bad |
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chris |
needed a shift refresh to beat the js into submission |
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chris |
hey its amy! |
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adegroff |
:-) |
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chris |
hows things? |
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adegroff |
just quietly but publicly lurking |
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chris |
:) |
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jwagner |
If you want to privately lurk, you need a disguised nickname :-) |
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Genji |
hello all. in regard to subject indexing.. i used "scan @attr 4=21 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 <term last returned>" to get the subject list.... my client comments "I noticed that all the subjects consist of one word. in fact, most of our subjects are phrases (two or more words)." why is this? |
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chris |
gmcharlt: another blocker bites the dust :-) |
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gmcharlt |
hi Amy! |
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gmcharlt |
cool |
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gmcharlt |
Genji: artifact of the index setup |
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Genji |
gmcharlt: hmm.... the index for subject goes 'subject, subject:p' |
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gmcharlt |
it is possible to construct phrase indexes, although they currently don't span subfield boundaries |
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gmcharlt |
@attr 4=21 ? did you mean @attr 1=21 ? |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Error: "attr" is not a valid command. |
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gmcharlt |
munin: be quiet |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Error: "be" is not a valid command. |
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Genji |
hmm... the subject is just stored in one marc field. its not even in a subfield. and yes, i ment 1=21. |
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Genji |
so, how do i tell scan to return the phrase indexed items instead of the word list? |
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Genji |
Or do i need to remove the first 'subject' from the marc def? |
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wizzyrea |
munin is having an existential crisis |
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chris |
hm i wonder if anyone can help pauline, i dunno the answer im afraid |
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rejoins the world of DSL, happily. |
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chris |
sweet :-) |
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jwagner |
You mean Verizon finally came? |
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* chris |
goes to get a coffee bbiab |
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jdavidb |
They did! Didn't take ten minutes to fix, either. |
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Genji |
so, how do i tell 'scan' to return the phrase indexed items instead of the word list? |
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jwagner |
Two weeks to get someone there, 10 minutes to fix. Is it just me, or is there something wrong with this picture? |
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jdavidb |
:) |
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jdavidb |
I won't quibble. The techs--both of them--were talented and quick. |
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jwagner |
Compared to some of the Comcast techs I've dealt with over the last few months, that's a BIG plus. |
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jdavidb |
yah. Techonolically, I've rarely had trouble with Verizon. Billing and customer service folks reek badly, but the service itself has been usually very good. |
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wizzyrea |
oh wow, pauline is from the 6th floor museum |
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owen |
? |
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wizzyrea |
you know, the museum on the 6th floor of the texas schoolbook depository |
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wizzyrea |
where JFK was shot from? |
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wizzyrea |
on Dealy plaza |
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wizzyrea |
dealey* |
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owen |
What a way to describe where you work. "You know, where JFK was shot from?" |
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IrmaCalyx |
G'day #Koha |
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wizzyrea |
probably why they call it "the sixth floor museum" |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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chris |
back |
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chris |
oh i meant to go visit that when i was in plano, but ran out of time |
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wizzyrea |
man, all I could think of was john wilkes booth, but I think who I was really thinking of was Lee Harvey oswald |
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jdavidb |
I took some great pics of a friend at Dealey, and the Kennedy Cenotaph monument a few blocks away a few years ago, for a model portfolio. |
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IrmaCalyx |
Would anyone like some off the excess heat we have in Sydney this morning? |
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* jdavidb |
raises his hand. |
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* jwagner |
sticks my hand up too |
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jwagner |
Want us to box up some snow in return? |
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* wizzyrea |
raises her hand |
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IrmaCalyx |
Thanks, that would be good! |
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* jdavidb |
gets out a biiiiig box. |
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jwagner |
Meet you halfway for the exchange? Hmm. What's roughly halfway between DC and Sydney? Hawaii? Midway? |
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IrmaCalyx |
Thinking in constant heat, high humidity and no wind is hard |
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jdavidb |
I used to live in the West Texas desert, IrmaCalyx. It's like living in a microwave oven, isn't it? |
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wizzyrea |
jdavidb: large freighter with lots of containers |
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IrmaCalyx |
So yes send your snow "down under" |
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jdavidb |
you've got the sauna effect going on, which may be worse. |
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IrmaCalyx |
Thanks for listening to my complaining...it's helping already! |
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jwagner |
well, you've been putting up with our complaining for the last few weeks :-) |
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IrmaCalyx |
:-) |
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* jdavidb |
watches his iTunes panic over having 30-odd things to download.. |
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jwagner |
Good night, all.... |
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owen |
What is the purpose of the "RESTRICTED" authorized value? |
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chris |
pass |
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cait |
im not sure it really does something |
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owen |
I never really wondered about it until today looking at someone's screenshot. But I agree cait I don't think it actually does anything. |
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jdavidb |
Y'all have a good day. See you tomorrow. |
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owen |
I wonder if it's just a MARC thing that has no connection to functionality |
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cait |
I was asked during a presentation if you could restrict items to age groups with htis setting |
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owen |
We project our wishes on features we don't understand :) |
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chris |
heh |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
next question was if you can change btypes from child to adult by cronjob ;) |
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owen |
Makes sense |
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chris |
yeah you'd have to write the cron job, but cant see why not |
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cait |
that what I told them |
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cait |
ok, time to go to bed :) good night koha |
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Lee |
Just got a white paper (sort of) from OCLC's Larry Alford, Chair of the Board of Trustees saying using Z39.50 isn't fair to OCLC and that it is a "lite cataloging service" for libraries cataloging on the cheap |
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chris |
LOL |
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chris |
OCLC get more greedy every year |
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Lee |
They say if all libraries don't use OCLC exclusively they will have to be for profit |
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Lee |
The tone reminds me of Abrams rant |
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chris |
people don't like competition |
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Lee |
Yeah he says that those records aren't quality material |
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chris |
do they have catalogue records in maori? |
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chris |
if not, he can stfu |
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* chris |
is sick of anglocentric rants |
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Lee |
I know it is all about the money...but if you don't know about z39.50 a librarian might think OCLC is the only game in town |
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Lee |
Just makes me sad |
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chris |
maybe in the US, OCLC doesnt help nz libraries much at all |
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Lee |
It seems every one wants to tell libraries exactly how they will handle info.... |
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chris |
yeah |
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Lee |
but they are branching out in Europe... |
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Lee |
Oh wait here is his email address! |
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Lee |
I guess maybe I will direct my rant toward him |
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Lee |
not that it will do one bit of good |
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Lee |
before I go, every groovey in Koha-land? |
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Lee |
:P okay then I'll try and catch you at the next meeting. |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -6.5�C (5:21 PM CST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
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