Time  Nick            Message
00:50 pianohacker     Good evening
00:51 chris           hi pianohacker, recovered from the crash?
00:51 pianohacker     Hi chris
00:52 pianohacker     No, not yet. Some very odd voodoo going on in that server, but since the backup is running it will have to wait till tuesday
00:52 chris           yay for backups
00:52 chris           http://translate.koha.org/projects/sysprefs/
00:52 chris           sysprefs now translatable, thanks to you and fredericd
00:53 pianohacker     Cool! Most of the credit on that to fredericd, glad someone finally put the pieces together :)
01:03 gmcharlt        braedon|work: yes - that's fine - creating 952s first works well too
03:22 Amit            hi all
04:45 brendan         evening #koha
04:45 masonj          hiya brendan
04:45 brendan         heya masonj
04:46 masonj          ive recently restored 'beep' functionality to my irc client...
04:46 Amit            heya brendan, mason
04:46 brendan         hi mait
04:46 brendan         yeah've I got beep functionality (it's bad during skype calls or meetings)
04:47 masonj          i reluctantly switched from  quassel , back to colloguy
04:48 masonj          i realised i missed irc-beeps
04:48 masonj          during the work-day :)
07:16 chris           hi magnus and nicomo
07:16 nicomo          hi crhis
07:16 nicomo          oops
07:16 nicomo          hi chris
07:16 magnus          hi chris and nicomo
07:16 * nicomo        not fully awaken yet
07:16 nicomo          hi magnus
07:17 magnus          chris: thanks for correcting history.txt ;-)
07:17 chris           no worries
07:17 magnus          nicomo: thanks for dumping me to 103... ;-)
07:17 chris           heh
07:17 nicomo          you're welcome :-)
07:32 htaccess        chris: how do i get your changes on my fork?
07:32 chris           good question
07:32 htaccess        heh
07:32 chris           i pushed them earlier today
07:32 chris           im not sure how you rebase your fork
07:32 chris           or if you merge or what
07:32 htaccess        yea, git pull on my fork doesnt pull them in
07:33 htaccess        ill look at the docs
07:33 chris           i wonder if there is a doc
07:33 chris           *snap*
07:33 htaccess        i asked on #github too
07:33 htaccess        20:18 <@tekkub> add a remote to their repo and pull
07:33 htaccess        20:18 <@tekkub> http://help.github.com/forking
07:33 chris           nicomo: meet htaccess he is a fellow catalysta and is interested in doing some code janitorial work
07:34 nicomo          hi htaccess
07:34 chris           htaccess: nicomo is one of the owners of biblibre, the biggest Koha development/support company
07:34 nicomo          ah ah
07:34 chris           (biggest in terms of ppl working fulltime on koha)
07:34 nicomo          there's big and big
07:34 htaccess        ahh, see "Pulling in upstream changes"
07:34 chris           and biggest in number of patches :)
07:34 nicomo          we're 10 people, no Google yet
07:34 htaccess        nicomo: hi :)
07:34 nicomo          ;-)
07:36 chris           ahh that makes sense
07:37 chris           htaccess: originmaster is the branch that tracks git.koha.org/master
07:45 htaccess        hmm
07:45 htaccess        CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in docs/history.txt
07:45 htaccess        just merging originmaster
07:46 chris           ah yeah i made some changes there, to fix that conflict, the version from originmaster is right
07:46 chris           i had 2 ppl at 102 developers, nicomo and magnus actually :)
07:47 chris           u'll end up in that file after your patches :)
07:47 CGI342          catalogue search is not working but z39.50 search is going well
07:48 CGI342          I have koha-3.004_fixed on debian lenny
07:48 CGI342          what should I do
07:48 htaccess        chris: so is 'Updated history' the last commit on origionmaster?
07:49 chris           lemme check
07:50 htaccess        looks like it
07:50 htaccess        http://github.com/ranginui/koha/commits/originmaster
07:51 htaccess        is there any particular reason you are not just using master to track git.koha.org/master?
07:51 chris           yup
07:51 chris           ahh thats my master, and its a bit butchered at the mo
07:51 htaccess        kk
07:52 htaccess        so would it be easier for you doing merges if i commit to my originmaster branch?
07:52 chris           yup
07:52 chris           that would be good
07:52 chris           or a branch based on it
07:53 htaccess        cool
07:56 CGI342          is any one?
07:56 chris           nicomo: you've seen this http://www.itworld.com/government/96865/french-net-filtering-plan-moves-forward
07:56 chris           ?
07:57 nicomo          yeah
07:57 nicomo          crazy political babble
07:58 nicomo          we sadly get use to it here in France
07:58 nicomo          but having an inefficient government has a nice side-effect : it's going to be 5 years before they put any law into effect, so...
07:59 paul_p          hi chris & al
08:00 nicomo          but still, it's a disturbing instance of demagoguery + ignorance + authoritarianism
08:01 chris           *nod* the scary thing is, others will follow (well australia already has their filter)
08:02 nicomo          yeah, France and Australia really seem to be in a competition for that price of runner-up to China
08:02 nicomo          :-(
08:02 chris           its a strange world
08:02 paul_p          maybe we could plan a massive move to NZ ? ;-)
08:03 chris           hehe
08:08 CGI342          catalogue search is not working but z39.50 search is going wel
08:08 CGI342          I have koha-3.004_fixed on debian lenny
08:09 htaccess        chris:
08:09 htaccess        $ diff <(find -name '*.pl') <(find . -name '*.pl' -print0 | xargs -0 egrep -l '^use warnings') | grep '<' | wc -l
08:09 htaccess        228
08:09 chris           quite a few
08:09 htaccess        out of 471
08:10 chris           over halfway at least :)
08:10 htaccess        :)
08:10 htaccess        time to get to work!
08:13 chris           how was breakfast magnus
08:13 magnus          nice enough, thanks
08:13 kf              good mornign
08:13 magnus          should keep me going for some hours...
08:13 magnus          hiya kf
08:14 chris           hiya kf
08:14 kf              chris: I saw the translation updates - any news about my button problem?
08:15 chris           haven't been able to figure out whats up
08:15 chris           ill figure it out though :)
08:19 htaccess        hmm, im tempted to just do a oneliner to do s/use strict;/use strict;\n#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505/ and then review it carefully vs editing all the files by hand
08:19 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts
08:22 chris           i think that's safe enough, as the worst that can happen is a double up of use warnings, with one being a comment
08:28 chris           hi htaccess
08:28 chris           doh tab fail
08:28 chris           hi hdl_laptop
08:28 hdl_laptop      hi chris
08:34 kf              chris: thx (was afk, fighting for a birthday muffin in the kitchen)
08:35 chris           hehe
08:36 htaccess        theres a few missing use strict too
08:36 chris           right, those should definitely be fixed
08:36 htaccess        yea, but ill do it as a seperate commit
08:37 chris           sounds good
08:43 htaccess        ill make a bug for it too (if there isnt one already), can anyone create bugs on buzilla?
08:45 kf              htaccess: yes, but I think you need to register first
09:16 kf              can someone help me with bug 4226?
09:16 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't replace 001 when keepids is not specified
09:17 kf              Im not sure I understand what Brian is suggesting
09:19 chris           gah, marc makes my brain hurt
09:20 chris           i cant really parse that either
09:34 nicomo          kf: when you import an auth record
09:34 nicomo          it comes with it's own ID in 001
09:35 nicomo          but Koha needs to have it's own ID in the DB and links it to 001
09:35 nicomo          so one way to do that is to try to reuse the incoming 001 as the koha authid
09:36 nicomo          but that's dangerous, I guess is what he's saying
09:36 nicomo          the number might not be unique
09:36 nicomo          koha expects an integer and it might not be
09:36 nicomo          etc.
09:37 nicomo          that's what I gather from the bug report at least
09:38 nicomo          in UNIMARC we would use the -keepids option and push the original to 009 or 035 and let Koha generate it's own authid in 035
09:38 nicomo          original 001 to 009; new authid created by Koha in 001
09:39 nicomo          I think (not sure) that what Brian is missing is that possibility to keepids, but move them
09:40 kf              nicomo: sorry, a colleague came to ask me something - reading back now
09:43 slef            just sent version control tag snapshots of koha 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 to chris. Is anyone here with access to download.koha.org?
09:43 kf              nicomo: we get all our data from our union catalog - the id numbers are in bibiographic and authority data, so just moving around would still make problems - the authid in bibliographic must match the authority id
09:44 kf              nicomo: I was not sure, if his suggestion will break it
09:45 nicomo          I have to say I don't see the need for the change mentionned
09:45 nicomo          unless I'm missing something myself
09:45 nicomo          and yes, it might break it
09:45 nicomo          as far as I can tell
09:45 kf              ok
09:46 kf              I came to this conclusion too - but was not sure
09:46 nicomo          In a similar situation what we've done is:
09:46 nicomo          keepid 035
09:46 kf              migration might be not the problem, but cataloging is done in the union catalog and we import data every night
09:46 nicomo          kf: yes, we have that too
09:46 kf              ah, right
09:46 nicomo          and still move the id
09:46 kf              which number do u use as authnumber then?
09:47 nicomo          bulkmarcimport returns a list of authids with the corresponding original ids
09:47 nicomo          authid:keptid
09:47 * chris         goes to bed
09:47 chris           night all
09:47 nicomo          bye chris
09:48 kf              good night chris
09:48 nicomo          kf: we then use the authid to write it in the biblio record and make the link
09:48 kf              and you replace the numbers in bibliographic data with koha ids?
09:48 nicomo          yes
09:48 nicomo          that way we can both: have the original ids somewhere in both biblio and auth records
09:48 kf              sounds complicated
09:49 nicomo          and at the same time use the "native" koha link to the authid
09:49 nicomo          it does sound complicated
09:49 nicomo          but then Brian's problem is a real one
09:49 nicomo          what if the original ID is not an integer?
09:49 kf              we have that g
09:50 kf              9 characters and the last can be X
09:50 nicomo          is it 0-padded on the left?
09:51 nicomo          I should say: left-added with zeros?
09:51 kf              I think not, or perhaps I have never seen numbers that low: 160247667 is an example
09:51 nicomo          this one would work
09:51 nicomo          but 00000123X would not
09:52 nicomo          and even with 160247667
09:52 kf              the last charater is a check digit, so we delete it in bibliographic data and use the 8digit form as authid
09:52 nicomo          if you want to create a local authority, it will try to create 160247667+1
09:52 nicomo          which might later conflict with an incoming record
09:53 kf              yes, that would be a problem, but they are not allowed to
09:53 kf              your solution is better
09:53 nicomo          so anyway we felt we had to do something a bit more complicated, but "cleaner" in the long run
09:53 kf              is it included in cronjobs or doesi t need extra work?
09:54 nicomo          you mean is it entirely automated?
09:54 kf              yes, sorry
09:54 nicomo          no problem: yes it is
09:54 nicomo          we have a script which takes the authorities 1st
09:55 nicomo          gets a yaml file with authid XXX = original ID = YYYY
09:55 nicomo          goes through the biblios with that
09:55 nicomo          and creates / modifies local records accordingly
09:56 kf              ah ok, will this be part of 3.2?
09:56 nicomo          not that I know of
09:56 nicomo          maybe 3.4
09:56 nicomo          but I'm not even sure because it's not really a part of Koha
09:57 nicomo          it's "massaging" of marc files
09:57 kf              yes, but it would help people in  'union catalog environments'
09:57 nicomo          and it's pretty tailored to the use of the French Union Catalog
09:57 nicomo          it's already available actually
09:57 nicomo          just not in Koha
09:58 nicomo          http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=sudoc;a=summary
09:58 nicomo          I guess one could start from that and adapt it to further Union Catalog environments
09:58 kf              its pica?
09:58 nicomo          more or less
09:59 nicomo          with some modifications for the french market
09:59 nicomo          but the basis system used is PICA, that's correct
09:59 kf              I just asked because i see a PPN there :)
09:59 nicomo          eheh, yes
10:00 nicomo          we've all become bilingual human / pica
10:00 kf              I think the bigger problem might be the import format, so when koha changes we will need to write our own script to do the changes
10:00 nicomo          not sure
10:01 nicomo          the approach we took was basically to do all the required work on data outside of koha
10:01 nicomo          then use the standard addbiblio
10:01 nicomo          modbiblio
10:01 nicomo          etc
10:02 nicomo          kf: I added a comment on Brian's bug page
10:03 kf              I just read it
10:04 kf              I m trying to describe our problem right now
10:04 kf              not sure it will be understandable
10:04 nicomo          kf: and PPNs are left-padded with 0000
10:04 kf              ah, so I never saw a small number :)
10:04 kf              might be because our union catalog migrated from another software some years ago
10:05 kf              thx for discussing this with me, nicomo :)
10:05 nicomo          you're welcome
10:06 nicomo          I'd be interested in exchanging information about the way we both manage the PICA union systems
10:06 nicomo          and their interactions with Koha locally though
10:08 kf              sure
10:08 kf              but I think there is not so much interaction right now
10:09 kf              we do the nightly imports for new and changed data and the library can download data with z39.50 after cataloging
10:09 kf              I tell them to add the PPN to fast adds after cataloging in union catalog is done - so not much real interaction here
10:42 gmcharlt        kf: nicomo: now that MARC21 supports $0 in headings fields to link a heading back to an authority, it will get even more complicate
10:44 gmcharlt        slef: nobody here has direct access to download.koha.org, but thus far cfouts has been responsive to requests to put files up
10:51 kf              gmcharlt: yes, and $0 is repeatable, we move 'our' $0 to $9
10:52 slef            @seen cfouts
10:52 munin           slef: I have not seen cfouts.
10:53 gmcharlt        kf: yeah - I think we'd be better off if Koha didn't rely on storing the heading-to-auth link in the MARC record
10:53 htaccess        grrr merge conflicts :(
10:53 gmcharlt        slef: you'll have to email him directly - cfouts@liblime.com
10:53 gmcharlt        and kept the linkage info out of band
10:53 gmcharlt        using the $0 or the equivalent only for record import and export
10:54 kf              better support for $0 would be nice, but our current solution works fine - I just dont want someone to break it :)
10:55 Amit            heya galen, kf, slef
10:55 kf              we also delete (DE-576), source of authority number, because it does not work with zebra
10:55 kf              hi Amit
10:57 htaccess        um could someone tell me which are the correct bits in these two files: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/5af2bc
10:57 htaccess        i have a merge confilct rebasing
11:00 gmcharlt        htaccess: I don't recognize the GetMemberRevisions bit - is that a local development you're working on?
11:01 htaccess        its from chrises origionmaster which it tracking git.koha master afaik
11:03 htaccess        http://github.com/ranginui/koha/blob/originmaster/C4/Members.pm
11:03 htaccess        looks like the top one for Members.pm
11:06 htaccess        and the tmpl one
11:08 gmcharlt        right - the issue isn't necessarily with the repo you're rebasing from
11:08 gmcharlt        but that you have patches in your tree that didn't come from the main HEAD (or originnmaster in your case)
11:09 gmcharlt        if you can abort the rebase
11:09 htaccess        well i just did a continue after fixing those
11:09 htaccess        and now i got more conflicts
11:10 htaccess        i think its stuff from chrises master
11:10 gmcharlt        do a git log in your local repo - I'm curious what it says about the Revision History tab patch
11:11 gmcharlt        ah, OK, I see the patch in chris' master branch
11:11 htaccess        http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/04b3fb
11:12 htaccess        i just committed a big patch to this branch tho, i though i had merged it properly before i started
11:13 gmcharlt        anyway, it looks like your topic branch was based on chris' master branch, but you tried rebasing against originmaster
11:14 htaccess        yea i tried rebasing against originmaster
11:14 tekonivel       hello all
11:15 tekonivel       i'm translating Koha to finnish (language of Finland :)
11:15 tekonivel       i would like to hear what is your favourite way to test the translation
11:16 tekonivel       perhaps we should define a new pseudo-language in the interface, and use our translation-in-progres .po -file for that
11:16 kf              tekonivel: are u using pootle for translation?
11:16 tekonivel       yeah, pootle indeed
11:16 tekonivel       on Koha site
11:17 htaccess        oh well, its either merge hell or throw away a huge patch i spent the evening on ...
11:17 tekonivel       i thought i could download the .po -file with wget, and assign it to a language, say fi_FI-test, and then iterate thought testing, translating and wgetting
11:17 * htaccess      goes to bed
11:17 kf              not sure I understand your problem, we have a test installation where we update translation with files from pootle after I changed things.
11:18 tekonivel       kf: you're not using a live system while testing the translatin, are you
11:18 kf              where is the advantage of a pseudo language to the normal language code?
11:18 tekonivel       kf: then users won't get all confused when the interfaces keeps changing all the time
11:18 kf              no, our test installation, but we had no problems so far
11:18 tekonivel       to isolate users, basically
11:19 tekonivel       kf: what method are you using to update the translation, from Pootle to your Koha. wget or something similar? or is there a proper tool for this?
11:19 tekonivel       that i should be aware of
11:20 tekonivel       hmm, testing the translation with a live system might yield some user feedback
11:20 kf              my colleague does the updates, but I think he uses wget
11:20 tekonivel       kf: ok, thanks
11:21 tekonivel       we're only translated 25% of the OPAC at this time, so no tests are beginning yet
11:21 kf              tekonivel: chris hat a koha installation for translation some time ago - perhaps ask him how he kept it up to date
11:21 tekonivel       but i was wondering if there's a standard procedure for this
11:25 tekonivel       kf: ok thanks, this straightened my thought quite a bit
11:25 tekonivel       kf: which language are u translating, by the way?
11:25 kf              German
11:26 tekonivel       kf: genau :)
11:26 kf              be warned: translation is a neverending process
11:27 tekonivel       kf: i didn't want to hear that :)
11:27 kf              something is changed, you find new typos, terms got translated differently at different places...
11:28 kf              neverneverneverending ;)
11:28 tekonivel       luckily we've got a fairly standard library-lingo up here in Finland
11:29 tekonivel       it's so much easier to update translation of Koha that some proprietary system, because we can do the modifications ourselves
11:29 kf              yes it is :)
11:31 tekonivel       instad of waiting for a year for a comma to be replaced
11:33 tekonivel       anyhow, a few libraries are interested in Koha up here in Finland, and we're translating the OPAC as a centralized effort on behalf of Kirjastot.fi (it's all a bit complicated to explain how we're organized9
11:34 tekonivel       we even have a handful of libraries using Koha in their everyday operations, though no public libraries at the moment
11:39 kf              :)
11:46 tekonivel       we're are possibly facing a very unconvenient situation, where one company (Axiell) has full market dominance in public library systems. we're now translating koha to feed discussion and hopefully also dynamics on the marketplace
11:49 gmcharlt        tekonivel++
11:50 kf              tekonivel++
11:51 gmcharlt        when I was at Endeavor, I worked a bit with the LINNEA consortium and their Voyager setup
11:51 tekonivel       awwwww
11:51 gmcharlt        I happy to see that some libraries there are looking at Koha
11:52 tekonivel       gmcharlt: yeah the situation is kind of odd here at the moment
11:52 tekonivel       Axiell bought all the library systems on the market
11:53 tekonivel       so now they basically have a monopoly in defining what kinds of library services 4.5 million finnish taxpayers can get
11:53 tekonivel       in the helsinki region (about 1 million ppl) we're using Innovative Millenium
11:55 tekonivel       i'm talking about public libraries here... academic and other sorts of libraries are a world of theeir own
11:57 slef            tekonivel: as I understand it, it's unusual in global sense for any library management system to be dominant in a country/sector market, but I think it happens more often in your part of the world and I'm not sure why.
11:57 slef            (software.coop sold Koha to a client in Sweden a few years ago and it was very tough)
11:58 tekonivel       yeah... :( it's a small market up here and libraries tend to choose what the neighbour has too
11:59 tekonivel       earlier we had the market basically divided between ATP and Tieto, (after a few merges), but nowadays it's just Axiell alone (plus Innovative in Helsinki region, like mentioned
11:59 magnus          norway is a bit different, we have a mix of systems in public libraries
11:59 tekonivel       magnus: you've got Axiell there too, don't you?
12:00 magnus          not much, we have norwegian systems
12:00 tekonivel       ah ok
12:00 magnus          Bibliofil, Mikromarc, Tidemann and some Aleph in the public libraries
12:00 slef            Is that because of the languages, or other factors?
12:00 tekonivel       have you any idea if Axiell has been looking at your market at all? here it was a bit of a surprise... they came from nowhere and acquired all of Finland, basically
12:01 magnus          i think language is a part of it, yeah
12:01 tekonivel       slef: that's one thing definetely
12:01 slef            I have heard from Welsh libraries that they have had to translate Engish systems (often a legal requirement) and pay for the privilege of doing so.
12:01 magnus          and i think norwegian libraries have some notion of being special and not able to use what others are using...
12:03 tekonivel       magnus: lol that sounds so familiar...
12:03 magnus          we are going to have out big, national library conference in about a month, and Axiell is actually not among the exhibitors - maybe too busy in Finland... ;-) but koha will be there! ;-)
12:04 magnus          s/out/our/
12:04 slef            Special \Spe"cial\, a. [...] 4. Limited in range; [1913 Webster]
12:04 slef
12:04 magnus          slef: hehe
12:04 slef            English is an evil language.
12:04 tekonivel       magnus: awesome :)
12:05 tekonivel       magnus: have you been keeping an eye on danish projects, like Summa and TING?
12:05 magnus          tekonivel: yeah, a bit, from a distance - they are doing some very interesting things
12:06 kf              lunch time, bbl
12:06 tekonivel       magnus: great. i'm sure they'd be willing to cooperate
12:09 magnus          tekonivel: there is going to be some cooperation around the swedish project Öppna bibliotek (sharing of user-generated data) this year, we just got the grant to do it
12:11 tekonivel       magnus: fscking a!! great, go for it!
12:11 tekonivel       magnus: i wish we had something like that too.
12:12 tekonivel       i want to join you guys :)
12:12 tekonivel       have you had chats with Teknikhuset and their CS Library?
12:12 magnus          tekonivel: you are probably very welcome! there will be a conference/hackfest around it, probably after the summer
12:13 magnus          tekonivel: no, i have heard about them, nut not been in contact
12:13 magnus          s/nut/but/
12:14 tekonivel       magnus: ok, their products seems quite well thought. only in the discovery layer -arena though
12:14 tekonivel       it's works with Koha too :)
12:15 tekonivel       or so they claim... i haven't seen that in action
12:15 magnus          they have a discovery layer that works with koha?
12:15 tekonivel       magnus: yeah, so they claim
12:15 magnus          ok
12:15 tekonivel       but other dicovery layers are Koha compatible too, like SOPAC
12:16 magnus          yeah, when you have an open system like koha that supports lots of protocols it shouldn't be too hard... ;-)
12:17 tekonivel       magnus: yeah, but there's no proper, standard way for ILS<->OPAC interaction, so screenscraping and reindexing needs to be done, with backlinks for functions like placing holds
12:18 tekonivel       but yeah, so much easier if you can pop the hood of the ILS and take a look what happens underneath
13:21 magnus          i'm collecting statistics - is there any way to get the number of performed searches from inside Koha, or is that a job for the apache logs?
13:29 jdavidb         I would definitely do that through the apache logs, magnus.
13:29 magnus          thanks, that's what i thought...
13:30 jdavidb         You'd have to have AccessLog set to something meaningful in the Vhost definition, of course.  Those logs can get pretty big in a hurry, so best done carefully.
13:33 owen            Hi everyone
13:34 jwagner         G'morning owen
13:36 kf              hi owen and jwagner
13:38 owen            You guys getting rain over there in the DC area?
13:38 jwagner         Not yet, due in later tonight, I think.
13:39 jwagner         Guten tag, kf
13:39 owen            We've got it today, and it's a refreshing change
13:43 jwagner         owen, as long as it's JUST rain and not ice or more snow...
13:47 gmcharlt        greetings from not-so-sunny Asheville
13:47 owen            Hi gmcharlt
13:49 jwagner         Code4Lib?  Hope it's fun.
13:49 kf              online training - bbl :)
13:50 owen            Is this new or have I not noticed it before? On my search results page: "7 available: * Wells [J DiTerlizzi] (1)"
13:50 owen            Where are the other 6?
13:53 collum          owen: did you apply my 'on hold' patch I did this weekend?  Hope it's not a result of my patch.
13:53 owen            That's just what I was testing collum, and I don't think it's a result of your patch.
13:53 * owen          tries again
13:54 owen            No collum I see this in one of my older branches too
13:55 owen            It's only because I was looking carefully at the "on hold" status from your patch collum that I noticed the item count
13:59 collum          Do you get different results for xsl and non-xsl displays?
14:00 jwagner         owen, I've seen something similar, trying to remember where & what the fix was.  You're not running independent branches, are you?
14:00 owen            No
14:00 owen            XSL results in the OPAC are correct
14:01 owen            (and your fix is working for me collum)
14:01 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: around ?
14:01 * collum        saw a discrepancy in a record yesterday between xsl and non-xsl, but I thought it was bad data.
14:01 hdl_laptop      hi all
14:05 chris_n         g'morning
14:05 chris_n         any thoughts on what might cause a new item not to be indexed in zebra even though the entry in zebraqueue is marked as done?
14:06 chris_n         this has happened for every item cataloged since last Thursday
14:07 chris_n         rebuild_zebra.pl has been running with no errors every 20 minutes
14:07 hdl_laptop      some changes in record.abs ?
14:07 hdl_laptop      a space attack
14:07 chris_n         hehe
14:08 chris_n         probably the second, the way things go around here :)
14:08 chris_n         I'll take a look at record.abs
14:08 hdl_laptop      (seriously, space in record.abs can beak things)
14:08 hdl_laptop      (in the index declaration)
14:08 chris_n         ahh.. I see
14:10 gmcharlt        hi hdl_laptop
14:10 gmcharlt        what's up?
14:12 hdl_laptop      Just to tell You I had received your email.
14:13 hdl_laptop      Gonna work on that.
14:13 hdl_laptop      and revert this patch
14:13 liz-nekls       good morning
14:13 hdl_laptop      hi liz-nekls
14:13 wizzyrea_laptop mornin hdl_laptop
14:14 * jdavidb       waves at wizzyrea_laptop.
14:14 wizzyrea_laptop :D hi there!
14:18 * jdavidb       velcroes liz-nekls to her chair.
14:19 liz-nekls       lol
14:19 liz-nekls       gmcharlt: I left off something very important on 4231
14:20 liz-nekls       this is the intranet cart, not the opac cart, but even so I wasn't able to reproduce it this morning
14:20 liz-nekls       so I'm asking my coworkers to please check it again this morning
14:21 * owen          wonders why the leader for all children's picture books in our collection indicates that they are sound recordings...
14:21 liz-nekls       I pulled the new weekend stuff, will look at the status stuff here in a bit
14:21 liz-nekls       lots of stuff today
14:39 tekonivel       oshit!
14:39 tekonivel       translate.koha.org is b00rken :(
14:39 tekonivel       i wonder if any admins are here atm
14:39 tekonivel       they're possibly fast asleep
14:39 wizzyrea        chris will be up in a couple of hours
14:40 zico            hi
14:40 wizzyrea        hi zico
14:40 zico            i am watching a strange matter in Koha-3.0.5
14:40 zico            i don`t know.. if it is bug or not
14:40 zico            but.. when i search any book and click "Browse Shelf"
14:41 zico            then..the images of books of that Shelf comes same
14:41 zico            means... i am getting same image for each and every item of Shelf
14:45 zico            is it bug of koha-3.0.5 or not?
14:45 zico            can anyone help me a little?
14:45 Ropuch          zico: it's the same for me
14:50 zico            Ropuch: so, it`s a bug?
14:56 zico            is it bug?
15:19 wizzyrea        ooh, I like the sound for "hold found"
15:19 wizzyrea        very pretty
15:19 wizzyrea        :P
15:24 joetho_away     test
15:26 hdl_laptop      hi
15:26 hdl_laptop      zico: could be a bug in 3.0.5
15:27 zico            Ah!!! :(
15:29 hdl_laptop      I donot have any image on my instance So Cannot test
15:47 joetho_away     older Koha versions get images based on ISBN. I'm not sure about v3.05.
15:58 wizzyrea        zico: are they amazon images or google images
15:58 wizzyrea        ?
16:01 zico            wizzyrea: they are google images
16:02 wizzyrea        is it the same with the amazon images?
16:07 * jdavidb       has a Monday morning present for gmcharlt.
16:21 brendan         @wunder asheville, nc
16:21 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is 8.4�C (11:21 AM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
16:21 brendan         @wunder 93117
16:21 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.8�C (8:17 AM PST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
16:21 jdavidb         @wunder 20852
16:21 munin           jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 6.8�C (11:13 AM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Rising).
16:23 kf              hi #koha
16:25 jdavidb         Hi, kf! :)
16:26 wizzyrea        jdavidb: I can't decide if that's exciting or ominous
16:26 kf              pootle is ill - does chris knowß
16:27 jwagner         wizzyrea, jdavidb's weather forecast?
16:29 jdavidb         :P It looks very nice out there right now.  Just chilly.  But the piles of snow and ice are meltin'.
16:40 kf              bye all :)
16:45 nicomo          @wunder lyon france
16:45 munin           nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 11.8�C (5:00 PM CET on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.35 in 993.8 hPa (Steady).
16:46 nicomo          eh, I have Californian weather: 11.8°C :-)
16:47 wizzyrea        @wunder Lawrence, KS
16:47 munin           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -5.1�C (10:46 AM CST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising).
16:47 wizzyrea        brr
16:47 nicomo          omg
16:47 wizzyrea        snow everywhere :P
16:47 jwagner         nicomo, you wouldn't be gloating, would you?
16:47 nicomo          indeed I am
16:47 jwagner         Harrumph.
16:47 nicomo          just compensation for Paul, who's in warmer still Marseille
16:48 nicomo          @wunder marseille france
16:48 munin           nicomo: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0�C (5:30 PM CET on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
16:49 * jdavidb       brings in another Velcro Chair, and sits down on it.
16:50 * jwagner       hopes jdavidb has some padding....
16:50 jdavidb         Plenty.  :P
17:02 tekonivel       i wonder if anyone here could do something about Koha Pootle at http://translate.koha.org. It barfs on me :-Q
17:03 owen            tekonivel: I think you'll have to wait for chris to wake up
17:03 gmcharlt        jdavidb++
17:03 gmcharlt        liz-nekls: thanks
17:04 jdavidb         Thanks, gmcharlt!   Was that for the 3482 pull req?
17:04 gmcharlt        yep
17:05 jdavidb         :)
17:05 jdavidb         We had two different folks go at that two different ways; at some point, it may be useful to reconcile them--but they work.
17:07 jwagner         @karma jdavidb
17:07 munin           jwagner: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
17:07 * jdavidb       does a little happy dance.
17:09 * jwagner       will have to get to work, accruing new karma, to stay ahead....
17:10 jdavidb         @karma jwagner
17:10 munin           jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18.
17:10 jdavidb         oooooo...
17:10 * jwagner       puts on my karma-magnet suit
17:11 ebegin          Are the tweet of Koha ILS are generated automatically?
17:12 ebegin          I mean on http://twitter.com/kohails
17:12 tekonivel       owen: ok no worries. i'm going through the answers of our 23 things -cource in the meanwhile :)
17:13 owen            ebegin: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs
17:13 ebegin          Asking the question because the links always point to the diff pages, not the page themself, ex: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=ubuntu_9.04_based_opac_kiosk&rev=1266856895&do=diff
17:14 owen            ebegin: I agree that is annoying, but I think it may be a limitation of the wiki software in terms of what kind of RSS it generates
17:15 gmcharlt        ebegin: yes - I think it's something nengard set up that's pulling from a couple RSS feeds
17:15 nengard         I didn't like it either until chris pointed out that the page it points to at least shows us what's changed
17:15 gmcharlt        never mind
17:16 nengard         own and gmcharlt are right - I having it pull any Koha specific rss I can find
17:16 gmcharlt        owen answered that :)
17:17 ebegin          nengard, in my opiniion, someone clicking on the link through twitter would expect to get the content.  Make sense?
17:17 nengard         it does
17:17 nengard         but i can't do anything about it
17:17 nengard         tha's the wiki RSS feed - so unless that changes....
17:17 ebegin          Was that a limitation of wiki?
17:18 nengard         don't know if it's a limitation ... it's just the way the rss is generated ... don't knwo if we can change it
17:18 owen            Is the wiki hosted by LibLime?
17:18 ebegin          ok.  You can add some string manipulation on the feed within Yahoo Pipes to get rid of "&do=diff" at the end
17:19 owen            That's an interesting idea ebegin
17:19 nengard         owen ebegin - but this is one of those situations where we're split
17:19 nengard         some people like that it goes to the diff page...
17:20 * gmcharlt      prefers the diffs
17:20 nengard         :) see
17:20 gmcharlt        owen: yes
17:20 nengard         i think we should just leave it and those who don't like it can click on the page link at the top to see the full page
17:20 owen            But gmcharlt, if you want to see the diffs couldn't you use the RSS feed?
17:20 ebegin          :)
17:21 gmcharlt        but owen, if you want to see the full pages, couldn't you click on the links?
17:21 gmcharlt        ;)
17:21 nengard         i'll let the boys duke it out
17:22 ebegin          I think that it useless to tweet the differences on a page on twitter...
17:23 nengard         the yahoo pipe poulates a lot of pages automatically - not just twitter
17:24 * ebegin        is having hard time to remember his yahoo ID and pwd... it's been so long...
17:42 * wizzyrea      is not a diff fan :P
17:43 owen            The trouble is, just pointing to the page without indication that (let alone how) it has been updated is similarly confusing.
17:51 nengard         agreed
17:58 chris           amy works at ptfs now?
17:59 chris           and morning all
17:59 chris           pootle fixed, fredericd fyi, pootle leaks ram and needs a restart every so often
18:02 chris_n         ram_leaks--
18:21 ebegin          karma ram_leaks
18:21 ebegin          @karma ram_leaks
18:21 munin           ebegin: Karma for "ram_leaks" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
18:21 ebegin          @wunder montreal, quebec
18:21 munin           ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is -2.0�C (1:00 PM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
18:23 chris           @wunder wellington, nz
18:23 munin           chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
18:28 collum          @wunder 41011
18:28 munin           collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 7.8�C (1:25 PM EST on February 22, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling).  Dense fog advisory in effect until 4 PM EST this afternoon... 
18:29 collum          Melting snow.
18:31 jwagner         melting_snow++
19:08 wajasu          i'm trying to install 3.02-alpha and Makefile.PL mentions a perl modules that I can't find in cpan.  Graphics::Magick
19:10 gmcharlt        wajasu: what platform are you using?
19:10 wajasu          wondering where I can find the perl module Graphics::Magick to install 3.02-alpha
19:11 gmcharlt        trying to help you - are you running Debian, Ubuntu, or the like?
19:12 gmcharlt        if so, you can apt-get install libimage-magick-perl
19:13 wajasu          i'm running archlinux.  Trying to write up an install.archlinux
19:15 wajasu          ok let me see if there is a perlmagick package
19:16 wajasu          i might have found something.  I'll check if it has perl bindings.
19:21 gmcharlt        wajasu: http://www.graphicsmagick.org/perl.html
19:26 schuster        wizzyrea or nengard about?
19:26 owen            Oh wow, "claims returned." Our old system had that and I almost forgot about it.
19:27 owen            We never understood what it was for :)
19:27 schuster        I need someone to test adding a patron for me and tell me if the memberentry.pl is missing first name on the form.  I have Surname and other name only.
19:28 schuster        This is a git pull from ?? Last night?
19:29 owen            I see first name.
19:29 gmcharlt        as do I
19:29 schuster        This is a fresh install nothing ever on this computer other than windows before Debian took over.
19:30 schuster        3.01.00.124 - is that what you all have?
19:30 owen            Yes
19:30 schuster        very odd...
19:31 schuster        This is for a "NEW" patron not an existing one.
19:31 owen            What category patron schuster?
19:31 schuster        Oh ...  I selected library...
19:32 schuster        Didn't think about categories asking for different things.
19:32 gmcharlt        yeah - theory is that institutional patrons don't have first names
19:33 schuster        That explains it then...
19:33 owen            ...but shouldn't there just be one "name" field, labelled "name?"
19:34 gmcharlt        yeah, that would make more sense than "surname"
19:35 * owen          thought that had been working properly before
19:36 * jdavidb       grumps around some.  Two choices for internet service, and both of them stink.
19:37 owen            That sounds like the American way, where the "two" is sometimes replaced with "one"
19:37 gmcharlt        yes, we're quite proud of our "hi"-"speed" internet service
19:38 jdavidb         Verizon's service rocked, technologically, until the Snowpocalypse on Feb 7.  (Took them three tries to get *billing* right, but the service worked.)  Been down ever since.
19:38 jdavidb         I told them if a Verizon tech happened by here, I'd make sure he stayed here until it was fixed.  I got a big chain and a padlock...
19:43 chris           back
19:43 cait            hi chris
19:45 chris           hiya cait
19:48 braedon|work    anyone know the function used to hash borrower passwords?
19:49 chris           md5_base64
19:49 chris           from Digest::MD5
19:50 braedon|work    ahh, done in perl
19:50 braedon|work    fun
19:50 braedon|work    was assuming it was the mysql md5 hash
19:50 chris           naw, thats less portable
19:52 owen            Lots of great enhancements coming up from PTFS!
19:52 owen            (and Middletown Township Public Library)
19:52 chris           oh yeah?
19:52 chris           awesome
19:53 owen            new stuff in Bugzilla at least
19:53 jwagner         owen, I'm finally getting around to creating the bugzilla entries for the last dozen or so that I didn't do earlier.  Some of them I think are going to be VERY well received.
19:53 chris           sweet
19:53 owen            jwagner: I'd love to hear how you implemented Bug 4238. We've talked about that one before but no one ever followed through
19:53 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4238 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, OPAC timeout feature for patron privacy
19:53 jwagner         I'm particularly interested in what people think of  	 Bug 4237
19:54 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4237 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add other item statuses
19:54 jwagner         owen, I don't know specifics on the code without looking, but it's a simple timeout -- no activity for X seconds and it goes back to OPAC main page (and does a logout if someone is logged in).
19:55 chris           that will be handy, actually both will :)
19:55 * chris         looks forward to committing the patches to 3.4
19:55 owen            jwagner: Do you know if it clear the Cart?
19:56 jwagner         Good question.  I'd have to set up a test & see.
19:57 owen            Bug 4239!
19:57 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles
19:58 jwagner         owen, that's the one I was talking to you about a couple of weeks ago, that might be extended to what you were wanting.
19:58 jwagner         (only allow holds on certain item types, wasn't it?)
19:58 * owen          wonders if he asked for a pony
19:58 chris           wow that will be awseome
19:59 chris           if that gets done we are back at 1.03 ;-)
19:59 chris           HLT will be super happy
19:59 cait            our library too
19:59 owen            the bug report says it works per-itemtype. I'd love to see the option of alternatively doing it per-ccode
19:59 owen            Poor HLT, the wide world got ahold of their software and junked it up something good ;)
20:00 chris           hehe, they got plenty back in return
20:00 chris           but it is nice features they used to love are coming back
20:01 chris           as well as all the new ones they also love
20:02 jwagner         owen, yes I think you also asked for a pony during that conversation.  However, none of our clients have sponsored pony functionality.  Therefore, you're on your own for that one :-)
20:03 cait            lol
20:03 owen            jwagner: I barely recall our previous conversation.
20:03 owen            I do wonder about the example you cite in the bug report: a multiple-volume DVD.
20:03 jwagner         Like one title for Lost, with items attached for Season One, Season Two, etc.
20:04 owen            Setting the rule to apply to your "DVD" item type will allow multi-item holds on all DVDs. Does that mean they intend to create a separate itemtype for multi-volume DVDs?
20:04 jwagner         I'm not sure it's come up as a problem so far.  I think they're allowing it on all DVDs.  If it were a problem, then yes, they'd have to create a separate item type.
20:06 * owen          wonders how difficult it would be to modify the feature to accept ccodes...
20:06 cait            I think its useful for serials
20:06 owen            Definitely useful for serials.
20:06 owen            If we get this enhancement it will enable us to actually use Koha's serials management.
20:08 cait            :)
20:08 cait            bug 4240
20:08 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:09 jwagner         owen, I don't know.  Shouldn't be too hard -- maybe set up a different syspref & copy the code we did for item types?
20:09 cait            nice!
20:10 collum          :)
20:10 collum          For all of the enhancements.
20:11 collum          Another variation of holds would be to tie bibs together. Multiple bibs satisfying one hold.  In other words, I don't care if I get the large type or regular type.
20:12 owen            That's Koha version 1 isn't it chris? :)
20:13 gmcharlt        yeah, it had a concept of meta-bibs
20:14 chris           yeah id love to get that back, maybe at a level above marc .. rather than between biblio and item like it used to be
20:14 collum          interesting
20:14 gmcharlt        possibly adopting by adopting FRBRisms
20:15 chris           MARC has a lot to answer for :)
20:28 jwagner         collum, see Bug 4243 -- I think your patch from last night may have done something similar?
20:28 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4243 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Show hold status in OPAC/staff
20:30 owen            jwagner: Regarding http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1662
20:30 owen            The yellow box at the bottom is a message displayed below the holdings table?
20:31 jwagner         Yes.  It should be the total count of all holds on the title.
20:31 gmcharlt        jwagner: collum's patch does part of that
20:32 jwagner         It sounded like it, from the description.  Yet another one to reconcile :-(
20:32 collum          jwagner: yep. What they said ---
20:32 chris           gmcharlt: i just tested 4155
20:33 chris           the js is still not letting me click save when i toggle a checkbox
20:33 gmcharlt        anything in the javascript error console or Firebug?
20:34 jwagner         OK, I have maybe 4-5 more that aren't entered, but I need to gather more info on them first.
20:35 chris           ahh my bad
20:35 chris           needed a shift refresh to beat the js into submission
20:36 chris           hey its amy!
20:36 adegroff        :-)
20:36 chris           hows things?
20:37 adegroff        just quietly but publicly lurking
20:37 chris           :)
20:37 jwagner         If you want to privately lurk, you need a disguised nickname :-)
20:37 Genji           hello all. in regard to subject indexing.. i used "scan @attr 4=21 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 <term last returned>" to get the subject list.... my client comments "I noticed that all the subjects consist of one word. in fact, most of our subjects are phrases (two or  more words)." why is this?
20:37 chris           gmcharlt: another blocker bites the dust :-)
20:37 gmcharlt        hi Amy!
20:37 gmcharlt        cool
20:38 gmcharlt        Genji: artifact of the index setup
20:39 Genji           gmcharlt: hmm.... the index for subject goes 'subject, subject:p'
20:40 gmcharlt        it is possible to construct phrase indexes, although they currently don't span subfield boundaries
20:40 gmcharlt        @attr 4=21 ? did you mean @attr 1=21 ?
20:40 munin           gmcharlt: Error: "attr" is not a valid command.
20:41 gmcharlt        munin: be quiet
20:41 munin           gmcharlt: Error: "be" is not a valid command.
20:41 Genji           hmm... the subject is just stored in one marc field. its not even in a subfield. and yes, i ment 1=21.
20:42 Genji           so, how do i tell scan to return the phrase indexed items instead of the word list?
20:43 Genji           Or do i need to remove the first 'subject' from the marc def?
20:43 wizzyrea        munin is having an existential crisis
20:53 chris           hm i wonder if anyone can help pauline, i dunno the answer im afraid
21:06 * jdavidb       rejoins the world of DSL, happily.
21:06 chris           sweet :-)
21:06 jwagner         You mean Verizon finally came?
21:06 * chris         goes to get a coffee bbiab
21:07 jdavidb         They did!  Didn't take ten minutes to fix, either.
21:08 Genji           so, how do i tell 'scan' to return the phrase indexed items instead of the word list?
21:08 jwagner         Two weeks to get someone there, 10 minutes to fix.  Is it just me, or is there something wrong with this picture?
21:09 jdavidb         :)
21:10 jdavidb         I won't quibble.  The techs--both of them--were talented and quick.
21:11 jwagner         Compared to some of the Comcast techs I've dealt with over the last few months, that's a BIG plus.
21:12 jdavidb         yah.  Techonolically, I've rarely had trouble with Verizon.  Billing and customer service folks reek badly, but the service itself has been usually very good.
21:14 wizzyrea        oh wow, pauline is from the 6th floor museum
21:15 owen            ?
21:15 wizzyrea        you know, the museum on the 6th floor of the texas schoolbook depository
21:15 wizzyrea        where JFK was shot from?
21:15 wizzyrea        on Dealy plaza
21:15 wizzyrea        dealey*
21:16 owen            What a way to describe where you work. "You know, where JFK was shot from?"
21:16 IrmaCalyx       G'day #Koha
21:16 wizzyrea        probably why they call it "the sixth floor museum"
21:16 wizzyrea        :)
21:16 chris           back
21:17 chris           oh i meant to go visit that when i was in plano, but ran out of time
21:17 wizzyrea        man, all I could think of was john wilkes booth, but I think who I was really thinking of was Lee Harvey oswald
21:17 jdavidb         I took some great pics of a friend at Dealey, and the Kennedy Cenotaph monument a few blocks away a few years ago, for a model portfolio.
21:19 IrmaCalyx       Would anyone like some off the excess heat we have in Sydney this morning?
21:19 * jdavidb       raises his hand.
21:19 * jwagner       sticks my hand up too
21:19 jwagner         Want us to box up some snow in return?
21:19 * wizzyrea      raises her hand
21:20 IrmaCalyx       Thanks, that would be good!
21:20 * jdavidb       gets out a biiiiig box.
21:20 jwagner         Meet you halfway for the exchange?  Hmm.  What's roughly halfway between DC and Sydney?  Hawaii?  Midway?
21:21 IrmaCalyx       Thinking in  constant heat, high humidity and no wind is hard
21:21 jdavidb         I used to live in the West Texas desert, IrmaCalyx.  It's like living in a microwave oven, isn't it?
21:21 wizzyrea        jdavidb: large freighter with lots of containers
21:21 IrmaCalyx       So yes send your snow "down under"
21:21 jdavidb         you've got the sauna effect going on, which may be worse.
21:22 IrmaCalyx       Thanks for listening to my complaining...it's helping already!
21:23 jwagner         well, you've been putting up with our complaining for the last few weeks :-)
21:23 IrmaCalyx       :-)
21:23 * jdavidb       watches his iTunes panic over having 30-odd things to download..
21:24 jwagner         Good night, all....
21:25 owen            What is the purpose of the "RESTRICTED" authorized value?
21:25 chris           pass
21:26 cait            im not sure it really does something
21:26 owen            I never really wondered about it until today looking at someone's screenshot. But I agree cait I don't think it actually does anything.
21:26 jdavidb         Y'all have a good day.  See you tomorrow.
21:27 owen            I wonder if it's just a MARC thing that has no connection to functionality
21:27 cait            I was asked during a presentation if you could restrict items to age groups with htis setting
21:28 owen            We project our wishes on features we don't understand :)
21:28 chris           heh
21:28 cait            :)
21:32 cait            next question was if you can change btypes from child to adult by cronjob ;)
21:33 owen            Makes sense
21:39 chris           yeah you'd have to write the cron job, but cant see why not
21:39 cait            that what I told them
21:59 cait            ok, time to go to bed :) good night koha
22:31 Lee             Just got a white paper (sort of) from OCLC's Larry Alford, Chair of the Board of Trustees saying using Z39.50 isn't fair to OCLC and that it is a "lite cataloging service" for libraries cataloging on the cheap
22:31 chris           LOL
22:31 chris           OCLC get more greedy every year
22:32 Lee             They say if all libraries don't use OCLC exclusively they will have to be for profit
22:32 Lee             The tone reminds me of Abrams rant
22:33 chris           people don't like competition
22:33 Lee             Yeah he says that those records aren't quality material
22:33 chris           do they have catalogue records in maori?
22:33 chris           if not, he can stfu
22:34 * chris         is sick of anglocentric rants
22:34 Lee             I know it is all about the money...but if you don't know about z39.50 a librarian might think OCLC is the only game in town
22:35 Lee             Just makes me sad
22:35 chris           maybe in the US, OCLC doesnt help nz libraries much at all
22:35 Lee             It seems every one wants to tell libraries exactly how they will handle info....
22:35 chris           yeah
22:36 Lee             but they are branching out in Europe...
22:37 Lee             Oh wait here is his email address!
22:37 Lee             I guess maybe I will direct my rant toward him
22:37 Lee             not that it will do one bit of good
22:38 Lee             before I go, every groovey in Koha-land?
22:39 Lee             :P okay then I'll try and catch you at the next meeting.
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