IRC log for #koha, 2010-02-24

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00:15 wajasu when you do an install of koha, do you run 'make install' as root? (or koha). Cause by zebra /var/lock/koha/biblios files are owned by root. I run zebrasrv and as koha.
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00:17 wajasu when i rebuild my indexes, it says --> 17:57:40-23/02 zebraidx(20131) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
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00:20 chris id chown those dirs -R to koha
00:20 chris if you do a standard install it does that for you, a dev one misses that step
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00:32 wajasu i thought i did a standard install. ok , checking perms.
00:33 braedon|work is this Zebra permissions?
00:34 wajasu yes
00:35 wajasu i did chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha   and /var/lock/koha
00:35 wajasu i'm doing a fast index now
00:36 braedon|work chris: are you supposed to do the "make install" for a dev install as root? i did mine as root as usual, had the permissions issue, so next time tried doing it as Koha. It went through fine, and no permissions issues (obviously)
00:37 wajasu now it gets further, but complains about "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register"
00:37 wajasu i did mine as root.
00:38 wajasu but this is my first time using zebra.
00:38 wajasu 3.02 version
00:38 wajasu i staged and imported 1600 records.
00:38 braedon|work you need to do it as root for a standard install, but not sure how you would end up with the wrong user with standard install
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00:39 braedon|work unless you didn't set the koha user correctly in run?
00:40 wajasu i've been only changin the db password, and something to dom, and no SRU. The rest the same.
00:41 braedon|work wouldn't have a clue about those later errors sorry - my knowledge of Zebra extends to what have personally encountered, and not an inch further :(
00:43 wajasu i had put items in my marc records (952 field).  I don't see any in the db.  maybe because I didn't add the library code until after I imported.
00:43 wajasu my items table is empty.
00:45 wajasu lets see if undo import get me empty tables.
00:47 braedon|work yeah, you need the library code
00:48 braedon|work beware of undoing imports - kills zebra indexing for me
00:48 braedon|work have to completely regen index, rather than letting the queue remove the old ones - it just doesn't seem to
00:49 braedon|work i left one of mine running for at least 4 hours using 80%cpu processing zebraqueue after a import undo
00:49 braedon|work when it finally finished, they sill where showing up in searches
00:50 wajasu its undone.  and zero entries in my biblios, items, and biblioitems.
00:50 wajasu now i'll try an import but with my library code.
00:50 braedon|work is zebraqueue runing?
00:51 wajasu the zebrasrv is.
00:51 braedon|work if you search, does it being up any results?
00:52 braedon|work s/being/bring/
00:52 wajasu wait.  its importing. (1 minute and it will be done)
00:54 wajasu i haven't run yet on this system.  is that a queue that handles updating the zebra index on the fly or what?
00:54 braedon|work yip
00:54 wajasu what is the every 5 minues(via cron) for then?
00:55 braedon|work when you change things in Koha, they are pushed onto the queue, and the zebraqueue daemon handles them, as far as i am aware
00:55 braedon|work ... good point
00:57 wajasu hurray! the items show.  16000 biblios, biblioitems, and items
00:57 wajasu now let me search
00:57 braedon|work that cron job is set to -z, which is "process zebra queue" if i remember correctly
00:57 braedon|work perhaps zebra queue recieves the tasks from Koha, and the cron job actually processes them?
00:58 braedon|work not sure
00:58 wajasu ahh
00:59 wajasu ok.  the items show. good.
00:59 wizzyrea braedon is correct: -z only does stuff that is waiting, instead of processing everything
00:59 wizzyrea a full reindex takes a long time
00:59 braedon|work then again, whenever i have added single books via Koha, they have shown up immediately in searches, without time for the cron job to run...
00:59 braedon|work unless i have been repeatedly extremely luck with timing?
01:00 wajasu i'm doing a fast index now
01:02 wajasu my search isn't working
01:02 wajasu i haven't run zebraqueue yet
01:03 richard any danger to koha from upgrading from debian etch to lenny?
01:04 wajasu i also get these after doing the fast search ( perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -v -b -w) as koha  --> "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register"
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01:13 braedon|work wajasu: I would suggest getting the zebra and zebraqueue daemons running and then trying again
01:13 braedon|work i'm not sure of the exactly how they are used, but that is the only thing i can see as different to mine
01:14 braedon|work you can just start them from command line if you don't want to set them up permanently yet
01:14 braedon|work[…]exing_using_zebra
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01:20 wajasu i am trying to start the fromthe command line.  the zebrasrv is running fine so far.
01:20 wajasu complains about not finding Unix/
01:21 wajasu I'll work on getting that cpan module
01:22 braedon|work hmm, weird. what OS are you on?
01:23 wajasu ok zebraqueue is running.
01:24 wajasu mysqld is showing 4% cpu, maybe something is going on.
01:27 wajasu nothing. no searches working yet.  maybe that [fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing" when i rebuild an index.
01:28 wajasu i get ERROR 109 in the zerbasrv output
01:28 wajasu let me try a
01:30 braedon|work chuck in a -r to rebuild from scratch
01:30 braedon|work[…]9-May/018314.html <- that is the only reference i can find to the error you are getting - unfortunately not answered by anyone
01:31 braedon|work (i think it is -r - probably shuld check htat..)
01:32 wajasu ok, i did -b -r and its doing something, because it didn't return back yet
01:32 wajasu cpu is pegged at 94%
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01:33 braedon|work that looks better :p
01:33 braedon|work unless the error is only happening at the end
01:33 braedon|work in which case it is just redoing all the ones before the error is hit
01:37 wajasu i got   -->  from the rebuild output    zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit
01:38 braedon|work hmm, weird
01:38 wajasu when i search i get  -->  zebrasrv(13) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=Personal-name" "bridges, charles"
01:39 braedon|work perhaps you have something in one of your marc files that Zebra doesn't like?
01:39 wajasu let me revert and import a few
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01:43 masonj wajasu: 'zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit' is a *FAILED* zebra rebuild..
01:43 masonj im pretty sure..
01:44 wajasu i had dumped the records from librarymanager (DOS based).  Then wrote a program to read them, converting to utf8, search z3950 servers by isbn, then author and title, then add my call number to 090ab, add a 952 item, and write the marc records.
01:44 masonj which also means your zebradb data-files should be around 0-bytes too
01:44 masonj nice work ;)
01:45 wajasu i'll look at the zebradb (/var...?)
01:45 masonj so your isnt succeeding, i think
01:46 masonj have u had it built/indexed successfully before?
01:46 masonj or is this a 1st time?
01:47 masonj ahh, reading your previous messages, i see this...
01:47 masonj 'fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing"'
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01:48 masonj ah, i read more! :)
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01:50 masonj if youve never indexed a zebradb yet, you need to start with a test system that has CLEAN AND SANE bibs ;)
01:51 wajasu nothing in /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblio​s/{register,key,shadow,tmp} but README files.
01:51 wajasu all the directories are owned by koha
01:51 masonj what bibs are you using ?
01:52 masonj and do you bibs have correct data in their 'biblioitems.marcxml' field?
01:53 masonj if they are missing that field... then the zebra-build wont start
01:53 masonj so...
01:53 wajasu i reverted my import so no records exist. now I'll try a rebuild
01:53 masonj a few things to check before the zeb-build is gonna fly
01:54 wajasu ok
01:54 masonj a rebuild wont work , without any bibs
01:54 masonj but you knew that , i guess :)
01:54 masonj easiest way to do is...
01:54 wajasu ok, I'll add a couple that I exported from a prior koha
01:54 wajasu is?
01:55 wajasu add my own?
01:55 wajasu by hand?
01:55 masonj $ bulkmarcimport --file ./my-bibs.mrc
01:55 masonj bibs , bibitems, items tables populated. then....
01:55 masonj $ rebuild_zebra -r -b -v 1
01:56 masonj then sucess.
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01:56 wajasu i had 16000 biblios, biblioitems, items, and my items where showing up fine.
01:56 masonj make sure to set your KOHA_CONF, and PERL5LIB env-vars etc..
01:56 masonj cool
01:57 masonj your biblioitems.marcxml have vailid xml in them?
01:57 wajasu then I tried the rebuild -r -b with those ENV vars set just as cron would like, but thats when I got that error.
01:57 wajasu i had loaded them into marcedit and ran the validator, and there were lots of errors.
01:58 masonj i have never used marcedit, so i dunno if thats common...
01:58 wajasu many isbns were not split into $a $c and had '(pbk.)' and so on.
01:58 masonj marcdump ./bibs.mrc
01:59 masonj is a good way to check them
01:59 masonj or marclint...
01:59 masonj $ marclint ./bibs.mrc
01:59 masonj etc...
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02:00 wajasu ok. i'll try marcdump
02:00 masonj if your marc files are glitchy for starters, then nothing is gonna work
02:01 wajasu i'm gonna have to take a break and eat.  but you may know an answer to another question.
02:02 masonj start by importing *1* record, even ;)
02:02 wajasu if i select the auto barcode generation  in the admin prefs, should I have barcodes after a staged style import?  or did I need to run a script to fill them in.  or have them in my marc records beforehand?
02:03 wajasu ok let me try one record
02:04 masonj pass.. it really depends on how they were created/added
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02:05 masonj but if they were added correctly, then yes - barcodes will be created after AddItem() sub, i think
02:06 wajasu ok.  i imported 400 records i had lying around, and then rebuilt (success!)  and the search worked.
02:07 wajasu i will have to divide and conquer the 16000 batch
02:08 masonj congrats! :)
02:09 wajasu thanks!
02:10 wajasu do you know what authorites records are? and whether I need to get them? and how to get them?
02:15 wajasu ok break time for me.
02:17 chris_n g'evening
02:22 braedon|work ahoy chris_n
02:27 braedon|work wajasu: as i understand them(not well) authority records provide standard (authoritative) versions of names/titles/etc
02:28 braedon|work you can link a field to one when cataloging
02:28 braedon|work if you change a authority record, any fields linked to it will also change in sync
02:30 braedon|work and you can do things like show all biblios linked to a specific authority record, for example the authoritative name of an author. Thus, instead of searching for the author, and getting all books by people with similar names to the author, you only get books actually written by that specific author, assuming your authorities are set up correctly
02:31 braedon|work exactly how you implement authority records, i am not entirely sure
02:31 braedon|work apparently they are usually imported from a marc file provides by some authority(surprisingly)
02:32 braedon|work whether you can automate the process of linking existing biblio fields to these authorities, or if you have to go through each biblio in your catalogue and do it manually, i am not sure.
02:51 wajasu thanks for the background.  So once I get things going, I may have to work on that.
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03:23 Amit hi all
03:23 Amit heya brendan, chris
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03:33 chris_n heya Amit
03:36 Amit heya chris_n
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04:03 brendan heya amit
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04:15 brendan @wunder asheville, nc
04:15 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.3�C (11:15 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST Wednesday...
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06:45 htaccess chris: got everything setup at home now too, can pull from you (upstream) and my github (origin)
06:46 chris awesome
06:46 chris cooking with gas
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06:59 nicomo morning #koha
07:03 Ropuch Morning #koha
07:04 chris hi nicomo and Ropuch
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07:05 nicomo evening chris
07:09 Amit_laptop heya nicomo, Ropuch
07:09 nicomo hi Amit_laptop
07:10 Ropuch Hi chris, nicomo, Amit_laptop ;>
07:10 nicomo hi Ropuch
07:10 nicomo ok let's call it a draw
07:10 nicomo :-)
07:17 Ropuch [;
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08:21 Ropuch Can anybody take a look at
08:23 Ropuch I have trouble receiving some items
08:24 chris that looks like a bug
08:25 * chris takes a look at the code
08:27 Ropuch I've examined the "receive" link from the working "receiveable" item and one of those - they are the same (with different &receive= and &biblionumber)
08:29 chris i see 2 bugfixes for since 3.0.5
08:30 chris hmm or maybe not, looking more
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08:31 chris ah yep, its because it is missing the ordernumber
08:31 chris which means it cant find the bookseller
08:31 chris so this line
08:32 chris name             => $bookseller->{'name'},
08:32 chris blows up
08:33 chris does the receive link have a supplierid parameter in the url?
08:33 Ropuch Yes
08:34 chris interesting
08:35 Ropuch One sec, I'll find 'working' item and pastebin good & bad links
08:35 chris on line 191 could you put
08:36 chris die $bookseller;
08:36 chris to test my theory
08:36 chris paul_p: are you about?
08:36 paul_p hi chris, yes i'm here
08:37 chris you've heard of neemia tialata?
08:37 paul_p ??? (nope)
08:37 chris (all black prop)
08:37 chris number 3
08:37 chris plays for wellington too
08:37 paul_p no, I didn't. why ?
08:38 chris he is buying coffee for people tomorrow :)
08:38 chris Ok (wellington) "Twitter Fam" who is down for lunch at @laffare tomorrow? come along my shout! re-tweet pls
08:39 Ropuch chris: with die $bookseller; in 191 I get Error 500
08:39 Ropuch But I'm not sure if my 191 is your 191 - I haven't patched 3.00.05
08:40 chris yep, you can check the apache error log now
08:40 chris and htere it should have the value of bookseller
08:42 chris paul_p: its not everyday an allblack buys lunch for people :)
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08:45 Ropuch HASH(0x3c5bcc0), referer:[…]ed=02%2F24%2F2010
08:45 Ropuch Premature end of script headers:, referer:[…]ed=02%2F24%2F2010
08:45 Ropuch Date is in weird format in log, in link it;s 2010-02-24
08:46 chris right so my theory is wrong, bookseller looks fine
08:46 chris (it should be a HASH)
08:49 chris can you paste what is on your line 192?
08:50 Ropuch sure
08:51 Ropuch $template->param(
08:51 Ropuch Hm
08:52 Ropuch datereceived     => $datereceived->output(),
08:52 Ropuch datereceived_iso => $datereceived->output('iso'),
08:52 Ropuch It's ok that datereived is empty?
08:53 chris ahhh that will be the issue
08:55 chris that looks like us format date in the link ... which i suspect yuo dont use in poland?
08:55 Ropuch Nope
08:58 Ropuch Hm, actually I can use us or iso date format, it's fine by me
08:58 chris what is your syspref set to?
09:00 Ropuch I was set to us
09:00 Ropuch I've changed it to iso
09:00 Ropuch And now i have illegal date in apache log
09:01 Ropuch But it's weird that some of items from same basket work, and some don't
09:02 chris yeah that is weird, it must be something that happened when they were ordered
09:03 chris if you modify one (dont change anything just choose modify and then save it)
09:03 chris does that now make it work when you receive?
09:07 Ropuch No - I've ordered them at the same time
09:09 chris stranger and stranger
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10:40 tekonivel magnus: hi
10:40 magnus hiya tekonivel
10:40 tekonivel magnus: yesterday you mentioned that norwegians are thinking of something like ÖB
10:41 tekonivel magnus: i'm weeding my emails, and ve've had discussion of ÖB, or that we should have a shared, centralized "honeypot" of UGC too
10:42 tekonivel magnus: so my question is, have there been discussion about joihing the swedes, or setting up your own honeypot in norway?
10:43 tekonivel we've not decided... but things tend to happen /sloooooow/, so personally i'd prefer joining someone and then maybe forking out later if need be
10:43 magnus tekonivel: we have talked about getting the code and setting up our own installation - to play with it a bit and think about what we need and want and can do
10:43 tekonivel some nordic cooperation here?
10:43 tekonivel :)
10:44 tekonivel magnus: so the code is ready for production?
10:44 * tekonivel haven't looked at it in a while
10:44 magnus we are also thinking about nordic cooperation - some kind of meta-service to aggregate stuff
10:44 tekonivel magnus: yea
10:44 magnus i don't think they have released the code, but we have been in contact with them a bit and they have said we can have it
10:45 tekonivel magnus: it's easier for you with a shared language, but we've got ppl here with swedish as the first language too
10:45 tekonivel magnus: that's good to hear
10:45 magnus yeah, the language-stuff is interesting! ;-)
10:45 tekonivel i wonder what the danes are up to
10:45 magnus lots, probably
10:45 tekonivel magnus: lol propably :)
10:45 tekonivel esp. in Ã…rhus
10:46 magnus by the way: "we" are the norwegian library laboratory:
10:46 tekonivel magnus: ours is :)
10:47 magnus cool
10:47 magnus i hadn't seen that
10:49 * tekonivel adds biblab to rss aggregator
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11:11 bigbrovar Hey guys I have a friend who is a librarian and she wants to do her masters in IT but I advised her to do something related to IT and library. Does anyone have tip on a masters course of certification in a related field?
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11:26 fallor Hello again guys
11:27 fallor What do you make of this:
11:27 fallor the database seems to be messed up pretty bad
11:28 gmcharlt fallor: at a guess, mysqld is not running at all
11:28 fallor that much i figured, so i went ahead and checked that
11:28 fallor i tried to restart it, but it refused to stop
11:28 fallor then i booted the server and now it refuses to start up
11:28 fallor Koha database is 1,7 MB (it was 103 MB yesterday)
11:29 gmcharlt just 2% of its former size?  ouch
11:29 fallor yep
11:30 fallor i have a recent dump so that's not a problem
11:30 fallor but how am i supposed to feed the data back in if the damn thing won't start
11:32 gmcharlt what error messages is it giving you?
11:33 fallor ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
11:34 gmcharlt anything in /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql.err ?
11:34 fallor the server hasn't actually completed the bootup procedure (rc.M is still running) because the MySQL server is acting up
11:35 fallor nope, nothing
11:36 fallor whoops
11:36 fallor i think i found the problem
11:36 fallor this is what df says:
11:36 fallor /dev/hda1              20G   19G     0 100% /
11:36 fallor so 0 bytes of free space on disk
11:36 gmcharlt that would do it :)
11:37 fallor for sure :D
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11:37 fallor now unfortunately the guy that takes care of this server is out on a holiday until 1.3.
11:37 Genji hey all. how do i step through values in a field, in a marc::record?
11:38 gmcharlt Genji: MARC::Field->subfields() returns an array of subfields
11:42 chris_n g'morning
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11:47 gmcharlt hi nelsonf
11:51 fallor hmm... there are a lot of mysql-bin.0000nn files under /var/lib/mysql
11:51 fallor they seem to be eating up the diskspace
11:51 fallor is is dafe to remove them?
11:51 fallor safe even
12:03 chris_n bbl
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12:15 gmcharlt fallor: they're MySQL binary logs - it's safe to remove them or move them onto another filesystem
12:16 gmcharlt if you're planning to restore from your dump
12:16 gmcharlt they're used for replication and data recovery
12:21 Genji so, i just do foreach my $item (@$tag->subfields()) { print $item)?
12:23 Genji foreach my $item (@{$tag->subfields()}) { print $item)
12:24 Genji ?
12:33 fallor gmcharlt: thanks, that's what I did :)
12:33 fallor gmcharlt: I also switched of binary logging from my.cnf
12:33 fallor +f
12:34 gmcharlt Genji: just about - each subfield entry return is a two-element arrayref
12:34 gmcharlt first elment of which is the subfield code, the second is the subfield value
12:34 Genji so... $ele->{value}/
12:34 Genji ?
12:35 Genji wait.. arrayref.. so.. $ele[1]?
12:36 Genji eh.. that didn't work.
12:36 Genji oh.. duh...
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12:38 Genji oh nevermind.
12:38 Genji didn't work it out yet.
12:40 Genji foreach my $element ($tag->subfields()){
12:40 Genji foreach my $ele (@$element){print "$ele\n";
12:40 Genji }
12:40 Genji }
12:40 Genji }}
12:41 Genji so far, i get both the subfield key, and value..
12:41 gmcharlt yep
12:41 Genji $ele[1] doesnt work.
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12:49 jdavidb Mornin'.   Harrrrumph!
12:50 jwagner I have a monopoly on the harrumphing this morning....
12:50 gmcharlt so early?
12:50 * jdavidb did *not* wanna get out of bed this morning.  Arthritis is kicking up a little; staying *still* feels much better.
12:53 Genji any idea,gmcharlt?
12:54 gmcharlt $element->[0] contains the subfield code, $element->[1] the value
12:54 gmcharlt i.e., in your loop, $element is the array ref for each subfield
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12:55 gmcharlt i.e., ($subf_label, $subf_value) = @{ $element };
12:55 Genji ah
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13:46 owen Hi randyc
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13:53 jdavidb Hi, Colin!
13:55 owen Another tweet about our catalog. I just don't get it.[…]atuses/9568844062
13:55 nengard owen is it possible he lives in your area and did a search he thought had good results?
13:55 * nengard thinking positively
13:56 owen This is the third one I've seen, and each was from a different account
13:56 nengard hmmm
13:56 nengard it's not bad spam ...
13:56 owen It's just odd
13:57 nengard bleh - weatherman just said we're getting more snow tonight into Friday!!
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14:01 owen Hi brendan, how's code4lib going?
14:01 brendan good so far, but there doesn't seem to be enough coffee - it always runs out quickly
14:02 brendan been seeing some cool xml stuff
14:02 chris_n coffee_shortage--
14:02 owen Somehow that doesn't surprise me, all those caffeine-addicted geeks in one place.
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14:03 brendan hi nelsonf
14:03 nelsonf gooood morning brandon!  another code4lib day, oh boy
14:04 nelsonf how was the beer last night?  Did you drink your $40 worth?
14:04 jwagner owen, see, that's where us tea-drinkers have the advantage.  While everyone else is fighting over the coffee, we can slip in and brew our caffeine of choice :-)
14:08 brendan I think so
14:08 brendan but feeling great this morning - so not too much
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14:18 tekonivel okrap
14:19 * tekonivel comes across translations from XSLT-files
14:20 tekonivel these are used for string matching xpaths :(
14:21 owen nengard: I looked at Bug 4248 yesterday and got stumped by the Perl too
14:21 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4248 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, Cities Town Pull Down Missing Zip
14:21 nengard yeah - that's why i changed who it was assigned to - but it looks like someone may have figured it out - i forget who now ....
14:22 collum It was me.
14:22 owen Oh, great collum, I didn't see that
14:23 * owen goes to look at the patch to see if he can learn from it
14:23 collum i just appended the zip to the city/state string.
14:23 Colin I think the patch should checked whether zip is defined though
14:24 collum Zip is used in the value element
14:24 collum of the select statement.
14:25 Colin Outside the US zip is not city level so it won't be defined in many cases generating a warning
14:25 collum Ah.  I just assumed it was already checked because it was already used.
14:26 collum Probably a bad assumption.
14:26 nengard thanks collum!!!
14:26 nengard I'm off to do day 2 of training and to sing your praises for fixing that - even if it is only partially fixed :_)
14:26 nengard :)
14:26 Colin the perennial problem of nulls
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14:27 collum OK.  Off to meeting.
14:27 collum a meeting rather.
14:27 * owen is a Perl newb so that $city{ $data->... construction was greek to me
14:27 * owen wonders if other find that their City/State dropdown contains 2 blank lines?
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14:32 Colin owen: I've got two blank lines then the two cities I defined
14:34 * owen remembers that symptom from Bug 2399
14:34 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---,, REOPENED, All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one
14:35 Colin If you look at it in firebug one is "" and one is " "
14:36 owen #    insert empty value to create a empty choice in cgi popup
14:36 owen push @id, " ";
14:41 Colin and later there's an unshift. I think the routine is asking to be tidied up
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14:44 wizzyrea_ owen: that is an extremely interesting use of the library catalog, if it's legit
14:45 wizzyrea_ i mean, look at the account:
14:45 wizzyrea_ he's got 2900 followers
14:46 wizzyrea_ and your catalog was one of the resources he linked to, pretty good promotion for your library
14:46 owen wizzyrea_: I think it's a spam robot of some kind, but I can't figure out the angle.
14:47 owen Like maybe each tweet is a Google result for "wilderness survival" or something
14:47 wizzyrea_ dunno, he linked to a subject search of survival
14:47 wizzyrea_ the company looks kind of legit to me
14:47 owen Except no contact info, no information about where the company is located
14:48 owen Only an email link
14:48 owen No classes listed on the calendar
14:48 wizzyrea_ yea, but it could be a very small company
14:49 wizzyrea_ with bad design skills >.>
14:49 wizzyrea_ i dunno, it could be automatic, but I still think it's an interesting use of a library catalog
14:50 owen Yeah I don't think it does us any harm, I'm just curious about it. I've got a Google alert set up for results that include "Athens County Public Libraries" so it caught my eye
14:52 wizzyrea_ it was sent from a twitter client called twitterfeed:
14:52 wizzyrea_ so yea, it's automated somehow
14:52 wizzyrea_ maybe his facebook?
14:53 owen Oh nice, my Google alert for "nelsonville public library" was returning no results because I misspelled "library" :P
14:53 wizzyrea_ hehe
14:53 gmcharlt come joins us at the libary
14:53 gmcharlt :)
14:55 owen Serves me right, I was just grouching about the misspellings in a recent email to parents from my daughter's school principal
14:55 owen spelling karma
14:55 wizzyrea_ hehe
14:55 owen Does chris's IRC stats page grade us on spelling?
14:55 wizzyrea_ oi I hope not
14:56 magnus @karma spelling
14:56 munin magnus: spelling has neutral karma.
14:56 magnus ;-)
14:58 owen @karma karma
14:58 munin owen: Highest karma: "chris" (108), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21).  You (owen) are ranked 3 out of 719.
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14:59 gmcharlt chris++ # just because
14:59 owen karma++
14:59 gmcharlt spelling++ # honoured more in the breach, perhaps :)
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15:00 jdavidb @karma
15:00 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (109), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 18 out of 721.
15:01 owen <!++ # for consistently and reliably beginning HTML comments
15:01 wizzyrea_ hehe
15:02 jdavidb @karma wizzyrea
15:02 munin jdavidb: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 56 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 56.
15:02 gmcharlt -++ # math just wouldn't be any fun without it
15:02 wizzyrea_ oh no a karma party
15:02 * jdavidb thinks someone oughta hide the sugar and caffeine...
15:02 owen wizzyrea++ # for her holds bug detective work
15:02 wizzyrea_ @karma -
15:02 munin wizzyrea_: Karma for "-" has been increased 1 time and decreased 21 times for a total karma of -20.
15:03 wizzyrea_ well I'm not sure I've found it, but I'm a lot closer
15:03 wizzyrea_ but thanks all the same
15:03 wizzyrea_ :)
15:03 wizzyrea_ owen++ # for the super slick intranet interface
15:04 owen Made with real butter
15:04 wizzyrea_ mmmm... buttery
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15:18 owen The vacuum of space was so cold...
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15:18 moodaepo @wunder 56001
15:18 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -18.6�C (9:16 AM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -22.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising).
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15:18 moodaepo owen: it's nearly that cold here
15:19 brendan wow moodaepo.  that's insane
15:19 jwagner @wunder Bethesda, MD
15:19 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 5.8�C (10:19 AM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through late Thursday night...
15:19 brendan small kids will freeze solid if they stood still outside in the temp for too long
15:20 moodaepo brendan: it sounds a lot better in fahrenheit, how was the beer-cruise?
15:20 brendan my wife from cambridge, minn...  told me that they canceled school sometimes because it got too cold
15:21 moodaepo hah I'm not surprised, but not that cold yet
15:21 brendan beer- cruise was good..  got a good tour of brewery and had some good beers
15:21 owen They do that here too, but I'll bet MN has stricter standards ;)
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15:22 brendan one of the top beers was a gaelic ale from highland breweries
15:22 brendan a little bit sweet (but a good session beer)
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15:23 Kuna Is this an america chatbox? :)
15:24 brendan it's global
15:24 jwagner Kuna, not even close
15:24 brendan just america's the most awake at the moment
15:24 wizzyrea the americans happen to... what he said
15:24 jwagner For certain values of "awake"
15:25 Kuna haha :)
15:25 * owen grumbles "speak for yourself brendan"
15:25 brendan some more so than others
15:25 wizzyrea "the most awake" not "awake" ;)
15:25 * wizzyrea is awake
15:25 * brendan 's very awake
15:25 Kuna Yea because it looks pretty quiet in here
15:25 wizzyrea ok, now the word awake looks weird to me
15:25 wizzyrea well we just got back from a brief interruption in service to the channel :P
15:26 Kuna It's cool that it's a browser chatbox, and yea not everybody is awake. :)
15:26 Kuna So Where you from Wizzyrea?
15:26 wizzyrea US - Kansas
15:27 owen Kuna did you come to talk about Koha?
15:27 magnus europe, on the other hand, is getting ready for dinner...
15:27 Kuna No , what is koha actually?
15:27 Kuna Yea it's near 5 pm over here.
15:27 owen Kuna I think this isn't the place you want to be. We're here to talk about software development
15:27 wizzyrea Koha is an open source library automation system
15:27 Kuna magnus, you seem to be european too?
15:27 Kuna o ok :)
15:28 wizzyrea
15:28 Kuna i'll check it out :)   in wich kind of domain are you develloping.  Sound, 3D, ERP, or operating systems?
15:28 wizzyrea speaking of koha-community... I'm still a bit fuddled by this problem with docbook2html
15:28 wizzyrea Library Automation Systems/Web Application, among other things
15:29 Kuna nice.  So it's the language that should run a whole range of websites, right?
15:30 wizzyrea erm, well:
15:30 Kuna ok checkin
15:31 wizzyrea it's the system that enables automated tracking of library materials (library, as in, the large (sometimes) civic buildings filled with items circulated (sometimes) free to anyone)
15:32 Kuna this would be great to manage a biotonic library :)
15:32 Kuna Because the classes would devellop a tree and would gradually contain all the plant information
15:33 wizzyrea It could probably do that, but not all too particularly gracefully
15:34 wizzyrea it's really more for library metadata/tracking
15:34 Kuna ok a little bit like a search engine would use
15:36 Kuna ok i'm gone.  See you guy's around.  Have fun..
15:36 wizzyrea thanks we always do :)
15:36 Kuna great
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15:36 owen Good like finding your america chatbox!
15:37 owen Are we the first result for "chat" on Google or something?
15:37 wizzyrea man I have no idea
15:39 * wizzyrea envisions the physical space of #koha as a dimly lit room with lots of squishy things to sit on, endless coffee, and a floor covered with power outlets
15:39 owen Bug 4250
15:39 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4250 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, cart missing print button
15:39 magnus hehe - talking of which: looks like is now hit number 12 on google when you search for "koha"...
15:39 wizzyrea NIC
15:39 wizzyrea NICE
15:39 wizzyrea will have to keep on that
15:40 owen Cart missing print button because owen added "display:none" to cart link for some reason.
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15:40 wizzyrea !!
15:40 schuster heo...
15:40 * owen wonders what owen was thinking on 2009-12-31 12:45:54
15:40 brendan hi schuster
15:40 wizzyrea ...
15:40 wizzyrea never SU after 2 :P
15:40 schuster well should we go check the logs!
15:40 gmcharlt` cool
15:41 jwagner Hi, schuster, did you get much snow this time around?
15:41 schuster NONE!  All SOUTH of Dallas - which is really funny - one would think the NORTH would get it...
15:42 wizzyrea "That print button is UGLY! No one will miss it..."
15:42 wizzyrea <zaps it>
15:42 wizzyrea ;)
15:42 jwagner Latest forecast here is that we're going to be on the southern fringes of this one.  People further up the coast and inland are going to get it worse.
15:43 jwagner wizzyrea, I can think of lots of things where that logic could be applied :-)
15:43 jwagner Starting with those item-type icons....
15:43 schuster So I have an sql question  - I need to find all of the "first available" type holds...  I was looking at the reserves table but can't figure where that is indicated?
15:44 owen schuster: Meaning all holds which are on "next available" rather than for a specific copy?
15:44 schuster So if itemnumber is blank does that mean it is next available?  yes owen
15:45 owen An itemnumber will be present for item-level holds and for non-item-level holds which have had an item allocated for them.
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15:46 schuster ok - for now until we can get local (school only holds) implemented I need to change these to specific copies.  I was able to "adjust" the tmpl to remove the next Available option forcing them to a specific copy.
15:48 schuster Most schools only have one copy except for the current award books - but still...
15:50 wizzyrea you could probably suppress the next avail option with jquery too
15:50 jwagner schuster, does changing the circ rule setting on holds to "from home library only" limit the holds the way you want?
15:50 wizzyrea I don't think he has that code yet :(
15:50 jwagner Ooops.
15:51 schuster :(
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15:52 schuster wizzyrea do you have that code? what version are you on?
15:52 gmcharlt` sekjal is presenting now
15:52 wizzyrea WOOO Sekjal!
15:52 wizzyrea yea, NEKLS sponsored that
15:53 schuster I have something that says item type and hold policy but I wasn't able to figure out how it works.
15:55 brendan sekjal's presentation is going great so far
15:55 brendan getting some laughs
15:55 brendan sekjal++
15:56 owen What's the topic?
15:56 nelsonf_ migrating from millennium to koha
15:56 brendan migration from iii to koha
15:57 brendan had the best slide ever - titled when titans clash
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16:00 wizzyrea hahah
16:00 wizzyrea oh, schuster, maybe you do have it
16:00 wizzyrea it's kind of twitchy, you have to have the rules configured just so
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16:00 wizzyrea let me send you a screencap of how we do local holds in our catalog
16:00 wizzyrea schuster:
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16:00 brendan with a picture of two kittens fighting with a bomb going off in the background
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16:02 janewagner What's happening with the IRC today?  Just got bounced for the 3rd time.
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16:08 schuster wizzyrea - so what do you have on the "default" location level?
16:08 schuster I tried to limit all locations itemtype to Book - local only - but that didn't take.
16:08 schuster sorry "from home library"
16:10 gmcharlt` sekjal++
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16:10 schuster sekjal++  there will be lots of people interested in those slides...
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16:14 jwagner All these identity crises this morning....
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16:32 wizzyrea here's the default level
16:34 wizzyrea sorry, was afk
16:34 wizzyrea schuster
16:41 schuster wizzyrea - so does that limit both in staff and pac or??
16:41 wizzyrea yes, the local hold rules, as I understand it, use the patron's home library setting to determine eligibility for holds
16:42 wizzyrea gmcharlt would know definitively
16:42 wizzyrea and that applies in both pac and intranet
16:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea: correct
16:44 wizzyrea owen: lol
16:44 owen You too wizzyrea!
16:45 wizzyrea i'm still giggling
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17:05 CGI757 hey any one with tools to trade
17:06 owen CGI757: Yeah, I've got an old hammer. What'll you give me for it?
17:07 CGI757 lol
17:07 CGI757 just wanna know if there is anyone here lol
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17:10 nengard anyone know what's up with the kohacon site?
17:10 nengard
17:10 * wizzyrea is not it
17:10 owen nengard: It was working early this morning
17:10 owen earlier, that is
17:10 wizzyrea google has been funny all day
17:10 nengard hmm
17:11 * owen didn't wake up first thing to check it
17:11 wizzyrea i wonder if is broken too
17:11 wizzyrea sho nuff
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17:11 wizzyrea I thought that error looked familiar
17:11 wizzyrea they must be on the same server >.>
17:12 owen Damn now I've got this hammer I still need to get rid of.
17:12 wizzyrea aw
17:12 wizzyrea oh there it is
17:12 wizzyrea I think there might be something funky with the trans-ocean interweb link
17:12 wizzyrea today
17:13 * wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk
17:13 wizzyrea wait, that's a lie
17:14 wizzyrea I totally dig it:
17:19 rhcl seems lots of sites are down. I can't get to,,, et al.
17:19 jdavidb @quote add *wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea>wait, that's a lie
17:19 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #61 added.
17:20 * jdavidb chuckles evilly.
17:21 wizzyrea lol sigh
17:21 wizzyrea @quote random
17:21 munin wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009)
17:21 wizzyrea lol
17:21 jdavidb @quote random
17:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009)
17:21 * jdavidb pokes munin in the ribs, and calls it a dork.
17:21 wizzyrea @be
17:21 munin wizzyrea: Error: "be" is not a valid command.
17:21 jdavidb @quote random
17:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009)
17:21 wizzyrea man, you really gotta work on that
17:22 wizzyrea to be, or not to be, that is the question
17:22 wizzyrea for some reason I never get tired of that joke w/ munin
17:22 jdavidb "to be, or not to be?"  That is the question....that will crash a SirsiDynix Unicorn OPAC spectacularly...
17:22 jwagner We have to work on munin's sense of humor....
17:23 * jdavidb would *so* hack munin to respond to "@be" with "I am, <requestor>."
17:23 wizzyrea lol
17:23 jwagner @do
17:23 munin jwagner: Error: "do" is not a valid command.
17:24 wizzyrea @try
17:24 munin wizzyrea: Error: "try" is not a valid command.
17:24 wizzyrea that's right!
17:24 wizzyrea do, or do not, there is no try
17:24 jwagner Yes, Yoda
17:24 wizzyrea ;)
17:24 * jdavidb chuckles
17:26 jdavidb I used to program an LP Mud, and hacking up interactives was my favorite thing.  The girls were *little* then, so I cobbled up Lindsey and Libby interactives as test exercises.
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17:40 brendan @wunder asheville, nc
17:40 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (12:40 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). High wind watch in effect from Thursday afternoon through Friday afternoon...
17:40 brendan ok gonna brave it and go out side :)
17:42 jdavidb @wunder 20817
17:42 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 7.3�C (12:42 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from midnight EST tonight through late Thursday night...
17:47 wizzyrea man what is with the weather this year
17:49 jdavidb owen++ #for his truly-fun Facebook status;  I needed the giggle.
17:52 nengard @wunder 19030
17:52 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 5.4�C (12:45 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through Friday morning...
17:52 nengard stupid snow!
17:52 nengard wonder what I should have hubby pick up on the way home from work
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18:04 jdavidb We're expecting 4-6" here, nengard.  shouldn't be bad.
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18:09 sekjal nengard: putting my slides up on slideshare now.  network is kinda slow just now, it seems
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18:12 collum Colin++
18:12 * collum likes it when you guys take existing code and improve it.
18:12 collum It helps me to learn.
18:26 * owen is off to get his eyeballs prodded
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18:30 jdavidb jwagner++
18:32 jwagner Wha' for?
18:34 jdavidb For being jwagner, mostly.  Do I need other reasons?
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18:35 jwagner Well, that's probably a good one :-)  (But you'll take it back when you see the ticket I just assigned you....)
18:37 jdavidb Naah.  I see it.
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18:46 nelsonf_ it's been real code4lib - later alligator
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18:47 sekjal later, nelsonf_!
18:47 brendan bye nelsonf
18:47 brendan make sure you stop by ever so often and say hi :)
18:47 brendan well on IRC of course
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19:07 seneca Does anyone know what table in the database a searching of the catalog draws from?
19:08 seneca I deleted some itemless records from the biblio table, but the items' records are still showing up in searches (but then giving a 404 error when you click on them)
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19:13 gmcharlt seneca: are you using Zebra?
19:13 gmcharlt if so, you'll need to run
19:13 seneca dunno - I'm using the prebuilt Koha vm
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19:13 seneca slightly embarrasingly, I don't know if htat uses Zebra
19:14 gmcharlt seneca: try dropping to the command line and running -b -r
19:14 gmcharlt also, if ps -ef | grep zebrasrv returns results, that will tell you if you're running zebra
19:14 gmcharlt or check the value of the NoZebra system preference in adminsitration
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19:16 seneca Hmmm.. errors with the command, and can't find "NoZebra" where is it supposed to be?
19:17 seneca ok, ps returns results, so I guess zebra is running
19:17 seneca I'll try to get the rebuild working
19:22 seneca looks like a perl INC error - can't find
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19:35 wizzyrea seneca: export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/
19:35 wizzyrea and
19:35 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/your/koha-conf.xml
19:38 wizzyrea they won't probably be the same :/
19:38 wizzyrea example, mine are
19:38 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/home/liz/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
19:38 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB=/home/liz/kohaclone/
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19:38 seneca thanks, though I'm just chasing errors by this point
19:38 wizzyrea (I have to look this up almost every time)
19:39 seneca after those two things:
19:39 seneca Use of uninitialized value $db_driver in concatenation (.) or string at /etc/perl/C4/ line 666. Can't connect to data source 'dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__​DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__' because I can't work out what driver to use (it doesn't seem to contain a 'dbi:driver:' prefix and the DBI_DRIVER env var is not set) at /etc/perl/C4/ line 666
19:39 wizzyrea can't say I've seen that one before :/
19:40 wizzyrea anything in the list archives?
19:40 seneca Errors like these make me feel like I missed something VERY important on the setup step of Koha...
19:40 seneca but I used the VM, so someone else must have missed it... ;)
19:40 wizzyrea well you're using a pre configured VM... yea, that's what I was going to say ;)
19:40 seneca buck passed.
19:41 brendan which path did you use to set your KOHA_CONF
19:41 wizzyrea if you're down with the VM's, you could try just using Debian Lenny and doing an install from the INSTALL.debian-lenny file
19:41 seneca for me: /home/koha/koha3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/C4/
19:41 wizzyrea the zebra bit is always dicey
19:41 brendan you could have set it to the file that has sym-links in it and not the file that has that information already filled in for you
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19:42 seneca well, I've already got a good amount of work put into this VM, so if I could fix it, that would be grand
19:42 brendan you want to look for your koha-conf.xml file
19:42 wizzyrea so your PERL5LIB would be /home/koha/kohw3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/
19:42 seneca right
19:42 wizzyrea it's always the dir above
19:42 seneca did that
19:43 wizzyrea the other thing that trips people up is not running the indexing as the right user
19:43 wizzyrea but in a VM, you're probably logged in as the right user
19:43 wizzyrea or what brendan said
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19:45 seneca how would I know if my koha-conf.xml file is funky?
19:47 brendan you probably have two copies of it
19:47 seneca oh weird - if I "sudo export" I get an "export: command not found"
19:47 brendan and you're just pointing to the wrong one
19:48 seneca yeha, that was it
19:48 seneca I pointed to the old one (before the 3.0.5 upgrade) and it appears to be working
19:48 seneca at least, it's not erroring yet
19:49 brendan heya wizzyrea for your knowledge when you see the __DB_NAME_ or similar stuff
19:49 brendan that information is filled in during the (you know the install part)
19:49 chris morning
19:49 wizzyrea right
19:49 wizzyrea (mornin chris)
19:49 braedon|work seneca: when you upgraded, did you point the makefile to the correct install log?
19:49 richard hey chris
19:49 brendan so when you answer the questions on that part --> it will use that file make a new one and plug your desicions into it
19:49 brendan hi chris
19:49 seneca so if you don't actually run the makefile, like how I manually upgraded this from 3.0.0, that info wouldn't be filled in?
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19:50 seneca perhaps not
19:50 braedon|work o, manual upgrade? fun. yip, you would be left with the template
19:50 seneca I hada  hell of a tiem upgrading the CM
19:50 wizzyrea oh, this makes sense to me brendan
19:51 wizzyrea it's reporting the variables
19:51 seneca (should the zebra rebuild still be going?)
19:51 wizzyrea yes, probably :)
19:51 seneca what is the official way to upgrade koha, VM or not?
19:51 seneca thanks, wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea yepper :)
19:52 seneca I will continue to be patient...
19:52 seneca *tapping pen*
19:52 braedon|work is the vm the one with a dev install? or a standard?
19:52 seneca both, I think
19:52 seneca in /home/koha
19:52 braedon|work (do you have a kohaclone and koha-dev folder in the Koha user's directory?)
19:53 braedon|work that is a dev install
19:53 seneca there's a koha-dev dir and a kohaclone
19:53 seneca yep
19:53 braedon|work you can checkout new versions from git
19:53 seneca guess I should figure out how to use git, eh? ;) HA
19:53 seneca it's about time, I suppose
19:54 braedon|work in the kohaclone folder, run git branch -a
19:54 seneca (btw: the zebra rebuild finished and the problem results have disappeared from the searches - THANKS ALL)
19:55 braedon|work that will show you all the branches you can check out
19:55 braedon|work but if you are wanting to checkout an official release, they are tags, not branches
19:56 seneca tags?
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19:56 braedon|work git tag will list the tags
19:56 braedon|work basically pointers to points in development
19:56 braedon|work ie, releases in this case
19:56 seneca wonder if I should restore to before my "manual" upgrade to 3.0.5 to do this...
19:56 braedon|work what you can do, is pull down the tag from git
19:56 braedon|work and then run the installer again
19:57 braedon|work to get you back to a git dev install
19:57 braedon|work in the kohaclone directory, run git tag to list tags, and find the name of the one for 3.00.05
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19:58 seneca I will have to go back to the original, pre-manual upgrade
19:58 seneca git gives a fatal error in my upgraded kohaclone folder
19:58 braedon|work then run git pull <name of tag>
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19:58 seneca ok - let me make a snapshot...
19:58 braedon|work o, did you touch the kohaclone folder?
19:58 braedon|work tha's bad... may have to checkout again
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19:59 braedon|work (sorry, using svn terminology. you may have to 'clone' again)
20:00 seneca I renamed the old kohaclone folder
20:01 braedon|work ok, just a sec, confirming commands
20:01 braedon|work havn't done this for a while
20:01 seneca then made the 3.0.5 folder "kohaclone" (actually, I use a symlink)
20:01 braedon|work prob best to start with a new kohaclone
20:01 seneca I think I can put it back and give it a try
20:01 braedon|work but keep the one one for config files
20:02 seneca what do you mean by "new" kohaclone?
20:02 braedon|work the old one*
20:02 seneca oh, ok
20:03 braedon|work kohaclone is a git repository pulled down from the web
20:03 seneca snapshot's done - giving it a try
20:03 braedon|work if you have touched it, you really need to start again
20:03 braedon|work pull it down again with git clone git:// kohaclone
20:03 braedon|work but remove that symlink first
20:03 seneca ok
20:04 seneca working...
20:04 seneca (thanks a million for the help)
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20:06 braedon|work once that is done, in the kohaclone directory, run git tag -l, and find the name of the 3.00.05 tag
20:06 braedon|work then run git checkout <tag name>
20:06 braedon|work then git pull
20:06 braedon|work then you need to find your original install log file
20:07 braedon|work (make sure it has variables filled correctly, not filled with __SOMETHING__ )
20:11 braedon|work then you need to run the with the old log linked in (check the install docs under "upgrade" for the syntax
20:11 braedon|work then make
20:11 braedon|work make test
20:11 braedon|work if that succeeds, make upgrade
20:12 wizzyrea braedon|work wins for best instructions of the day
20:12 seneca indeed
20:13 chris wizzyrea: does wordpress have a nice faq plugin?
20:13 wizzyrea There used to be one, I'd have to look
20:13 wizzyrea for one, but I bet there is
20:13 wizzyrea lots of people do that with PS
20:13 wizzyrea WP*
20:13 chris might be nice to add one to the site
20:13 wizzyrea ps? where did I come up with that typo
20:13 wizzyrea agreed
20:13 chris and make braedon|work type in what he just typed ;-)
20:14 wizzyrea oh no kidding
20:14 wizzyrea actually. I will do that right after I finish with this thing I'm working on now
20:14 chris awesome!
20:14 wizzyrea because, yes, that is important
20:14 wizzyrea lol
20:14 cait pootle does not like me working on translation... Error accessing  /home/chris/src/Pootle-2.0.0/po/intranet3_1/d​e/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po.pending,  Filesystem sent error: Too many open files
20:14 wizzyrea we need that, desperately
20:14 chris try again cait
20:14 braedon|work haha, make sure it is correct first! I did this like a month ago
20:15 cait An error has occurred. Thank you for your patience.      unable to open database file hmmm
20:15 wizzyrea the faq ;) You can type it in :P
20:15 cait its polite g
20:15 cait Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
20:15 cait hmm
20:15 chris yep im just restarting it
20:15 cait its getting worse with every F5 g
20:16 cait ah :)
20:17 cait thx chris!
20:18 chris no worries
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20:18 chris hiya IrmaCalyx
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20:20 ccurry Hello all.  I'm trying to upgrade from to, using git.
20:20 seneca HA! You should have been here 10 mins ago, ccurry!
20:21 ccurry should I check the logs then?
20:21 chris yep
20:21 ccurry ok...I'll take a look.  Thanks
20:21 seneca braedon|work just outlined it
20:21 seneca following his steps myself right now
20:22 chris[…]10-02-24#i_399973 starts about there
20:23 braedon|work well, actually, does anyone know if a upgrade make run is ever necessary when upgrading in git?
20:23 chris no, not usually
20:23 chris if you did a dev install you dont need to
20:23 seneca braedon|work: I'm hung on the git pull stage
20:24 chris you just rebase your repo to the level you want
20:24 chris and then the web based upgrader kicks in
20:24 seneca "git pull" gets me You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with, and 'branch..merge' in your configuration file does not tell me either.  Please name which branch you want to merge on the command line and try again (e.g. 'git pull <repository> <refspec>').
20:25 braedon|work ccurry: if you have a "clean" dev git install, then you just need to run the checkout and pull lines. unless you have changed anything from the 3.00.04 tag, in which case you need a rebase(some correct me if i am wrong here)
20:25 braedon|work seneca: ahh, that's right
20:25 chris no changes pull is ok, changes yes rebase is safer
20:26 braedon|work just a sec, there was something different about pulling tags
20:26 braedon|work i got around it somehow...
20:26 * braedon|work curses his hopeless memory
20:27 chris git pull origin tagname
20:27 chris i think
20:28 seneca git pull origin v3.00.05: fatal: Couldn't find remote ref v3.00.05
20:28 seneca hmm
20:28 seneca not the tagname...
20:28 braedon|work what was the checkout command you ran?
20:28 seneca git checkout v3.00.05
20:28 braedon|work and it went through fine?
20:28 seneca "HEAD is now at 4f9aff4... Changing version number 3.0.5"
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20:29 braedon|work oo, try "git fetch"
20:29 seneca git fetch tagname?
20:29 * braedon|work crosses fingers
20:29 seneca or just git fetch?
20:29 braedon|work um...
20:29 chris ahh
20:29 chris got it
20:29 seneca git fetch returned a line, no output
20:29 seneca think it worked?
20:29 chris git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05
20:30 chris will get you a local branch called 3.0.5
20:30 braedon|work chris: shouldn't need to
20:30 seneca is that the full checkout command I should run?
20:30 chris which is exactly at the point where v3.00.05 is
20:30 braedon|work there is a way to do it without a local branch
20:30 chris no fetch, pull or anything needed
20:30 chris yeah but a local branch is a lot safer/easier
20:30 ccurry still processing the log....i tried the steps that Henri-Damien sent out with the release of 3.0.5, along with the upgrade steps in INSTALL.debian and I never get a prompt to use the web-based installer....perhaps all I need to do is log out and log back in in the intranet?  I can probably sort this out with the abundance of information that is stacked up in the current chat feed, just for...
20:30 ccurry (how convenient).  If I have trouble, I'll come back and ask.  Thanks, seneca for having the same request as me.
20:30 chris if he does a git checkout something else now .. his branch will be gone
20:30 seneca ha! no prob
20:31 ccurry I'm running standard, by the way
20:31 chris but with a local branch it will stay there
20:31 seneca *confused*
20:31 braedon|work chris: true.
20:31 seneca *but waiting patiently*
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20:31 ccurry I'm a newbie and I had trouble getting dev to work correctly, so I stuck with standard for now...
20:31 braedon|work seneca: try it chris's way, with the branch
20:31 seneca ok
20:32 seneca quick return
20:32 braedon|work ccurry: what is your current setup, and what do you want to move to, exactly?
20:32 seneca Switched to a new branch "3.0.5"
20:32 seneca no pull or fetch needed now?
20:32 chris nope
20:32 chris good to go
20:32 chris you just need to find the path to your install log
20:33 chris and run something like
20:33 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log make make test sudo make upgrade
20:33 ccurry Well, I'm trying to set up a test server with the same version as my live server.  3.0.5
20:33 chris gah, those should be on different lines
20:33 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
20:33 ccurry The strange thing is that I ran sudo git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x
20:33 chris make
20:33 chris sudo make upgrade
20:33 seneca do we know the name of the install log file?
20:33 ccurry but that gave me 3.0.4 for some weird reason.
20:33 chris it'll have install-log in it ;)
20:33 seneca got it, chris:)
20:34 chris i think it will be somewhere under /usr/share/koha
20:34 ccurry even though I used the same git command to get the stable branch when I installed my live server.
20:34 seneca heh
20:34 seneca might it be in the koha-dev fodler?
20:35 braedon|work seneca: should be in old kohaclone, i think....
20:35 braedon|work open it when you find it
20:35 ccurry I thought I would use this opportunity to test an upgrade, but it has been a failed effort so far.
20:35 braedon|work and make sure it has variables filled
20:35 seneca looks good
20:35 chris in misc
20:35 chris is that where you found it?
20:35 seneca eah
20:36 seneca yeah
20:36 braedon|work ccurry: so you have a git dev install?
20:36 ccurry standard
20:36 chris cos i think the one in
20:36 chris blib/MISC_DIR/koha-install-log
20:36 chris is the better one
20:36 seneca hmm
20:36 chris take a look at them both, one will have proper info
20:36 braedon|work ccurry: ok, and what is saying it is 3.00.04?
20:36 chris the other will look like
20:37 chris (thats the wrong one)
20:37 seneca same info in both
20:37 braedon|work chris: there is usually one like that in koha-dev
20:37 ccurry oops
20:37 ccurry
20:38 chris seneca: can you paste one line (not the one with a password :))
20:38 seneca so, just double checking, my next step should be to run the, right?
20:38 seneca DB_NAME=koha
20:38 seneca etc
20:38 chris yep looks good
20:38 chris perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
20:38 braedon|work ccurry: weird. not sure sorry
20:39 braedon|work ccurry: o, did you actually run an upgrade after the checkout?
20:39 seneca now make?
20:40 chris yep
20:40 braedon|work if you have a standard install, you need to actually install the new version - it is not linked in from your git repo
20:40 ccurry braedon|work:
20:40 ccurry that's all the commands I issued to upgrade
20:40 braedon|work seneca: when you get to it, try the make upgrade without sudo - should work, and saves permissions issues later
20:41 seneca ok - make test and make upgrade seemed to have worked
20:41 seneca nope - needed sudo
20:41 seneca got permission errors after a few successful lines
20:41 ccurry I tried make install (instead of make upgrade); still didn't work.
20:41 braedon|work seneca: really? weird
20:41 braedon|work seneca: check hte ownership of koha-dev
20:42 ccurry still tells me it's running 3.0.4 and no web installer runs when I log into the intranet.
20:42 braedon|work ccurry: sure you had the right install log?
20:42 chris yeah you need sudo unless you are running as the koha user
20:42 ccurry pretty sure
20:42 seneca drwxr-xr-x  8 koha  koha    4096 2009-06-03 12:48 koha-dev
20:43 braedon|work seneca: and you are running as koha user?
20:43 seneca I'm running as koha
20:43 seneca doh!
20:43 seneca the permissions errors I got were all on release_notes
20:44 seneca think I should re-run it without the sudo?
20:44 ccurry braedon|work: "git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x" should have given me 3.0.5, right?
20:44 braedon|work ccurry: nope, it will get you the dev branch of 3.0.x
20:44 chris ccurry: no, that will give you what is about to become 3.0.6
20:44 seneca wait, no they weren't - nevermind that
20:44 chris :)
20:44 ccurry ah
20:45 seneca when is 3.0.6 due?
20:45 braedon|work ccurry:  git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05
20:46 chris seneca: there were a couple of little bugs, once they are sorted any day now
20:46 braedon|work seneca: just run as sudo
20:46 seneca cool
20:46 braedon|work but beware that you will need to chown some files to get zebra running
20:46 seneca should the steps I just took get me to 3.0.6 when the time comes?
20:46 ccurry braedon|work: awesome; since this is just a fresh test server, i'll just reinstall and deal with the upgrade issues later.
20:47 braedon|work seneca: you will need to checkout the 3.0.6 tag when it is created
20:47 braedon|work and then run the web installer on your first login after
20:47 schuster bug 2975
20:47 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2975 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Offline circ tries to circ on biblio-level "itemtype"
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20:48 ccurry Thanks for all the help; this has been very fortuitous.
20:48 schuster I see a patch was sent is noted, but has it been accepted gmcharlt?
20:48 seneca hmm
20:48 seneca I'm getting some errors now:
20:48 seneca
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20:49 chris seneca probably missng modules
20:49 chris ah no, thats a config error, check your koha-conf.xml file
20:49 chris does it have the right username and password?
20:49 seneca chris, I had a working system that I had manually upgraded before I just upgraded the git way, so I should have all my modules, I think
20:50 chris yeah check you koha-conf.xml file (in /etc/)
20:56 seneca well, I got rid of the kohaadmin password problem, but there's more...
20:57 chris oh yeah it looks like the koha-conf.xml is totally screwed up
20:57 chris i thought you had a standard install? not a dev one?
20:59 chris maybe your apache config is pointing to the wrong config file?
20:59 seneca no, dev from the VM - checking tags and syntax now...
20:59 chris oohh if you have a dev
20:59 chris install
20:59 chris there was totally no need to do the upgrade, since it runs out of your git checkout
21:00 chris you only do the upgrade on standard installs
21:00 braedon|work chris: he was getting back to using the correct dev install, after chnages
21:00 braedon|work upgrade should do it(did for me)
21:00 chris it might, but it's not going to consistently work
21:01 braedon|work it doesn't have it
21:01 braedon|work jsut onece
21:01 braedon|work then he can use git
21:01 chris no i mean for all people
21:01 braedon|work o, right
21:01 chris it might just bugger up the config file
21:02 chris seneca: does the rest of the file look right, does it have actual info in it?
21:02 chris if so, we just need to fix the tag issue
21:03 seneca yeah, it was just a tag issue
21:03 seneca tired eyes took some time to find it though. ;)
21:04 chris :)
21:04 seneca all better
21:04 seneca thanks to all for help
21:05 seneca this is why I love the open source community/ies and why I hope to one day know enough about Koha to give back some useful adive!
21:05 seneca er - advice
21:05 seneca I also hope to someday learn to type
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21:06 seneca so, what part of all that I just did will be necessary for upgrades from here on out?
21:07 seneca the git stuff, I mean - not the fixing my own typos ;)
21:07 chris if you are running a dev install
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21:07 chris just the git checkout bit
21:07 seneca which I am
21:07 seneca no make, etc?
21:07 chris nope
21:08 seneca so, just "git tag -l" to find the version I want to upgrade to
21:08 chris thats it
21:09 seneca which git checkout line, though
21:09 seneca git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 < this one?
21:09 seneca or without the base?
21:11 braedon|work base?
21:11 chris yeah if you are running out of git, checking out a local branch is the safest
21:11 chris git fetch before the checkout tho
21:12 seneca sorr "-b" part
21:12 ccurry braedon|work: back for a quick confirmation: My live server version reports ""; will git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05", which you recommended to me a few minutes ago, give me exactly the same koha as my live server or did I manage to get 3.05 + a few patches when I originally pulled 3.0.x from git?
21:12 chris before the tags even
21:12 seneca I meant branch :}
21:13 seneca so, just making sure:
21:13 braedon|work ccurry: 3.0.x has more patches, than 3.0.5, yes
21:13 seneca step 1: get fetch
21:13 seneca er -git
21:13 seneca step 2: git tags -l
21:13 ccurry braedon|work: so is there any way to grab exactly or has that ship sailed?
21:14 seneca step 3: (in kohaclone) git checkout -b _BRANCH_ _TAGNAME_
21:14 seneca and voila?
21:14 ccurry after checking out a tag in git, can you see this long version number before installing?
21:15 mdhafen ccurry: the version number is in the file
21:15 braedon|work ccurry: have to ask chris(or someone else who is lurking) about that i think
21:15 braedon|work like mdhafen!
21:15 ccurry thanks
21:15 mdhafen :) your welcome
21:16 seneca seems far too easy ;)
21:17 braedon|work seneca: are you planning on making any changes to the code?
21:18 seneca braedon|work: not planning on it
21:18 ccurry and btw, can anyone recommend good entry level documentation for using git with koha?  I feel like I'm doing a lot of feeling around.  I looked at the man pages, but there's a lot there and most of it is about committing changes to remote repositories and sharing patches, etc.  I'd love to be doing that some day, but for now I just want to be able to efficiently navigate git and grab updates.
21:18 seneca why?
21:19 braedon|work seneca: if you do, you will need to rebase, rather than checking out to a new branch.
21:19 braedon|work actually, can you rebase off a tag?
21:19 wizzyrea[…]lopment:git_usage
21:19 seneca you and I are int he same boat, ccurry
21:20 mdhafen ccurry: git_usage braedon mentioned is good for usage.  For navigating I like gitweb at
21:20 ccurry thanks; that should help.
21:20 mdhafen ccurry:  Looks like there are some database changes between 3.0.5 and where 3.0.x is now.  Might be to late to go back.
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21:21 seneca braedon|work: what do you mean by rebase?
21:21 ccurry mdhafen:  thanks for the heads up.  I'm hoping it'll be close enough for testing.
21:22 braedon|work rebase basically tries to merge your changes with a new version of base code
21:22 ccurry I just wanted to get my test server as close to possible to a mirror
21:22 chris but without the merge ;)
21:22 braedon|work for example, git rebase origin/3.0.x will merge the current 3.0.x with your changes
21:22 chris what rebase does is rewind your repo back to the common point with what you are rebasing from
21:22 chris (not merge braedon|work )
21:22 mdhafen braedon: if he's based on a tag will he even want to follow new code?
21:23 chris then it will replay the commits from the branch you are rebasing from, then replay your commits after
21:23 braedon|work chris: but what is the effective result?
21:23 chris quite different to a merge
21:23 chris rebase changes commit ids
21:23 braedon|work and will git rebase v3.00.05 work?
21:24 chris it will make a mess trying to rebase to an older version than you have checked out
21:24 seneca well, I will inquire about submitting changes I make when I actually make some changes;)
21:24 braedon|work chris: i know it is not a merge, but i was attempting to explain it in a simple manner
21:24 chris yeah, but it does a very different thing to a merge
21:25 chris so is slightly dangerous to call it that, because ppl will use it when they should merge
21:25 mdhafen ccurry:  yeah, should be good for testing.  Just know that 3.0.6 should be out soon (couple months?)
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21:25 braedon|work chris: from the Koha docs: "Sometimes you'll be working on something on a branch that needs to be updated to the latest 'origin'. Running the following commands will grab all the changes since you last pulled and merge them with your current changes: "  "git fetch
21:25 braedon|work $ git rebase origin"
21:25 chris yes
21:25 ccurry ok
21:25 chris that needs to be fixed
21:26 chris it doesnt merge them at all
21:26 chris git fetch
21:26 chris git merge
21:26 chris does (which is what git pull does by default)
21:26 wizzyrea oh plox update that
21:26 braedon|work yip
21:26 wizzyrea because I use it all the time :P
21:26 wizzyrea like, every day
21:26 chris now for koha we rebase because we send patches
21:27 chris BUT if you have a public branch, that someone has pulled from
21:27 braedon|work ok, so if you have a branch created from tag version, which you make changes to, and you want to upgrade it to a new tag version, which should/can you use?
21:27 chris and you rebase it, causig commit id's to change, and then that person pulls from you again ... you make a huge mess of their repo
21:27 chris so you should never rebase on a branch that someone has pulled from
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21:28 chris whereas a merge is safe
21:28 chris braedon|work: id merge
21:29 braedon|work ok, good to know
21:29 chris but with git you have a ton of options
21:29 chris you could checkout the new tag
21:29 chris and then cherry-pick your commits over
21:29 braedon|work yipyip
21:30 * braedon|work better get back to work...
21:31 ccurry I'm getting the following error wen executing "sudo git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05" on a virtualbox vid that has a "myinstall origin" branch on it already:  fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing; Did you intend to checkout 'v3.00.05' which can not be resolved as commit?  do I need to delete "myinstall" first?
21:32 ccurry it's a vid I created, following all the steps of INSTALL.deb up to the perl step.
21:33 mdhafen I think there is more potential for a merge conflict when pulling from a branch that has used merge.  But it's usually more convenient than having to recreate the link after they have rebased.
21:34 mdhafen ccurry:  I think that error is because you have changed a file there.  Git doesn't want to loose the change, so you have to either commit the change so git knows about it, or revert the change so it goes away
21:34 ccurry ah...maybe I ran the
21:34 ccurry how can i revert the changes?
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21:35 mdhafen ccurry: I think the command is `git revert --hard HEAD`
21:35 ccurry I tried git status and got: "nothing to commit (working directory clean)"
21:35 mdhafen ccurry: ah, then I must be mistaken
21:36 ccurry I also tried "sudo git-branch myinstall -d" and the following is shouted at me "error: Cannot delete the branch 'myinstall' which you are currently on."
21:36 ccurry oy
21:36 ccurry can I move out of the branch somehow and delete it?
21:37 mdhafen ccurry: yeah, can't delete the branch you are on.
21:37 mdhafen ccurry: I think the v in v3.0.5 is supposed to be upper case
21:37 ccurry ah...I'll try that.
21:38 braedon|work as in the tag name?
21:38 ccurry same error
21:38 braedon|work it is lowercase
21:38 braedon|work why are you sudoing btw?
21:38 ccurry yep
21:39 braedon|work git should be managed by one user - shouldn't need to sudo
21:39 braedon|work probably not related...
21:40 ccurry hmm; I get errors when I don't sudo; perhaps that's my problem.  I think I used another user when I set this vid up.
21:40 braedon|work what is the owner of the kohaclone folder?
21:40 braedon|work (and contents(
21:41 ccurry i'll check
21:42 ccurry oops: root; I guess I did it with root originally.
21:42 ccurry in my earlier, wilder days.
21:42 braedon|work ok, so the sodo probably isn't the issue then
21:43 braedon|work but probably best to chown it to someone, and not use sudo
21:43 ccurry I get the same error as root
21:44 mdhafen ccurry: maybe splitting the command into it's components would reveal the source of the error.  try first `git branch 3.0.5 v3.00.05` then `git checkout 3.0.5`  and see where the error is.
21:44 braedon|work have you run a git fetch?
21:44 schuster Just realized the default for syspref insecure   (modified) - is set to Allow....???  even though it says you shouldn't do that?
21:45 mdhafen schuster: is it!  that doesn't seem right to me.
21:45 ccurry i did forget to fetch
21:45 ccurry doing so now
21:45 braedon|work that could be it apparently
21:45 braedon|work git doesn't know about the branch
21:46 mdhafen schuster:  which branch are you looking at?
21:46 ccurry makes sense; it didn't exist when I set up this vid, so how could it.  thanks for talking me through it.
21:46 braedon|work thank google and stackoverflow :p[…]nch-does-not-work
21:46 schuster I'm running against the current HEAD as of 2 days ago.
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21:51 mdhafen schuster:  I'm looking at the sysprefs.sql in the installer/mysql/en/mandatory, and it's set to 0 there?  Where are you looking?
21:54 schuster Well I don't know the unders I was looking at it and it said Allow so I changed it to Don't Allow.
21:57 schuster hmmm when I change it to "dont allow" I get an error that it can't be saved.
21:57 schuster well that would make sense as I'm not actually logged in!
21:58 wizzyrea oh, schuster
21:58 wizzyrea you probably need to install JSON
21:58 wizzyrea I think I did cpan -i JSON
21:58 wizzyrea but these fine folks probalby know what the debian package is
21:58 mdhafen schuster:  if insecure is set you probably don't need to be logged in.
21:59 mdhafen debian package should be something like libjson-perl
21:59 wizzyrea mdhafen++
21:59 seneca thanks again to all who helped, gotta run
21:59 wizzyrea later seneca
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22:00 wizzyrea in that case you could apt-get install libjson-perl
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22:02 schuster hmmm libjson-perl isn't in the dependancies
22:04 schuster I'm still concerned about how to get all of those "required" pieces into the install.  The apt-get magick piece still isn't automatic and several others are not listed.  I hesitate to edit the document, but guess that's what the RM is for to make sure I do it right?
22:05 wizzyrea bug 4151
22:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
22:05 wizzyrea it's listed there :P
22:05 gmcharlt yep
22:05 wizzyrea add anything new you find
22:06 schuster OK as long as someone edits it before the next "beta" release?  I was still working off of the HEAD alpha instructions.
22:08 wizzyrea it = ?
22:13 brendan @wunder ashevill, nc
22:13 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
22:13 brendan @wunder asheville, nc
22:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (5:13 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am EST Friday...
22:14 schuster wizzyrea ya lost me?
22:14 schuster OOO afternoon weather report
22:14 schuster @wunder 75074
22:14 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 10.6�C (4:00 PM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling).
22:15 schuster Well off to the family...  see ya all tomorrow!  Hopefully I will be able to do more 3.2 testing.  I'm going to pull head again tonight.
22:15 wizzyrea what is the it that needs updating?
22:15 wizzyrea you lost me first ;)
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22:15 schuster INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions
22:15 wizzyrea OH
22:16 wizzyrea ok, yea, I've been poking at those
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22:16 schuster Doesn't have all the dependancies etc...
22:16 wizzyrea with gmcharlt's guidance/help it'll get done
22:16 wizzyrea and 4151
22:16 wizzyrea bug 4151
22:16 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
22:16 wizzyrea :)
22:17 schuster All I know is trying to install 3.004, 3.005 was a bugger and I never got it quite right there was something always missing.
22:17 wizzyrea there are lots of dependencies :/
22:18 wizzyrea the only two I had trouble with were libjson and something about snowball :P
22:18 schuster I have discovered it makes a difference on which Mirror you setup your debian from - it shouldn't but it has made a world of difference with the ...Simple dependancy for labels.
22:18 schuster Did you do a fresh debian install or just a new install of koha?
22:19 wizzyrea this last time it was on a pristine debian netinstall
22:19 schuster I had 4 items the Magick thing that I had to apt-get, and 3 others that I have noted on that laptop.  I'll make sure they are on your log.
22:20 wizzyrea ty kindly :)
22:20 wizzyrea oh yea the magick stuff
22:20 wizzyrea not sure I even have that on mine, but I don't use pics
22:20 wizzyrea so makes sense that you would trip up on it
22:21 schuster by for now...
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22:21 wizzyrea bye!
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22:35 mdhafen I need some help with Internet Explorer.  I'm trying to get an object tag sourcing an .ogg file to play automatically.
22:36 mdhafen I've got the classid of media player set, and the vorbis codec installed, and autostart in the params, but no luck.
22:41 mdhafen any suggestions?
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22:44 * wizzyrea uses firefox/chrome on the mac, sorry :(
22:44 chris chromium on linux here
22:45 chris again no help
22:45 mdhafen I'm trying to find an alternative to the audio tag, which I expect chromium supports.  Thanks anyway
22:47 mdhafen it's not easy for me, I use linux too.  My librarians though... but that's another story :)
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22:50 wizzyrea :)
22:52 chris is the page viewable on the web?
22:53 chris i could ask the html dudes at work
22:54 mdhafen it isn't really right now.  It's based on a patch I send to the patches list.  I've already changed that though because IE doesn't like new lines in a quote.
22:55 mdhafen There is a url that might be accessible though.  I'll have to update that code.  it's
22:55 mdhafen if you can get to that I'll fix it.
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22:57 chris ill look
22:59 mdhafen I modified it anyway :)
22:59 chris doesnt look like i can get to it
23:00 mdhafen oh well.
23:00 mdhafen how about I paste the code here?  could you pass it to them?
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23:09 Genji hiya all
23:09 Genji my $val = Encode::decode_utf8($value);
23:09 Genji print "$val\n";
23:09 Genji its still gives wide character in print error.
23:09 gmcharlt Genji: binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"
23:10 gmcharlt is the missing bit
23:11 Genji yay.
23:13 Genji why im doing this, is because zebra is indexing marcfield 653 subjects - phrases, by words, and not total string.. even though 'melm 653 subjects:p'
23:15 Genji so im having to loop through all the db, getting all the subjects, and their occurances, by hand.

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