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ricardo |
@later tell chris Hi chris. I'm finishing doing the last changes to the Portuguese translation, but I will only finish it on Monday morning (it will be Monday evening for you). I'll send it by e-mail to you |
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munin |
ricardo: The operation succeeded. |
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ricardo |
Bye ppl. Time to go to bed! :) |
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mason |
heh, on slashdot today..... |
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mason |
http://teddziuba.com/2009/10/i[…]my-free-time.html |
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Amit |
hi chris |
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thd |
Ropuch: are you still there? |
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Ropuch |
thd: I'am now ;> |
| 05:50 |
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Ropuch |
Morning #koha |
| 05:51 |
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thd |
Ropuch: you asked about the license for the Koha manuals? |
| 05:52 |
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Ropuch |
thd: yes, but I've already contacted Nicole |
| 05:53 |
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thd |
Ropuch: How did she respond? |
| 05:53 |
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thd |
or what was her response? |
| 05:54 |
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Ropuch |
She said that's ok for me to translate it and advised med to hold off as manual is being changed into Docbook/XML |
| 05:55 |
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thd |
Ropuch: What did she say about the license? |
| 05:55 |
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Ropuch |
"You are free to translate and republish the manual whenever" |
| 05:56 |
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thd |
OK |
| 05:57 |
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thd |
Ropuch: There is a line at the base of the Koha website stating that the content is distributed under GNU GPL which links to GPL 2. |
| 05:59 |
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thd |
Ropuch: I had asked Nicole to make that GPL 2 or later when she republishes the manuals so that we can upgrade the license terms if we need to. |
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Ropuch |
thd: yes, I'm aware of that, I just wanted be sure, as it follows "Koha® and the Koha logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of LibLime and BibLibre in the United States, France and other countries" |
| 05:59 |
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Ropuch |
Hi nicomo |
| 05:59 |
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nicomo |
hi all |
| 06:00 |
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thd |
Ropuch: no one will be using those trademarks against any community effort such as translating manuals |
| 06:00 |
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nicomo |
Ropuch: what's the beginning of the discussion here regarding TM? |
| 06:00 |
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nicomo |
if i can bring some clarity... |
| 06:00 |
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thd |
nicomo: permission to translate the manual |
| 06:00 |
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thd |
nicomo: trademarks scare people |
| 06:00 |
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nicomo |
indeed they do |
| 06:01 |
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nicomo |
we (biblibre) stand there on this issue: |
| 06:01 |
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thd |
nicomo: I was just explaining to Ropuch that he had no need for concern about trademarks |
| 06:01 |
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Ropuch |
I would much more encouraging if the manual itslef has some some license link and statement |
| 06:02 |
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nicomo |
we registered the TM in France in 2005 when a company (Ineo) that didn't seem intent on playing nice with the community starting circling around koha |
| 06:02 |
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nicomo |
we did the same with a European Union wide TM when some tension emerged with PTFS at the end of 2008 |
| 06:02 |
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nicomo |
we always said we were doing this to protect the TM for the community |
| 06:03 |
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nicomo |
and indeed we never used the TM |
| 06:03 |
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Ropuch |
Good move :) |
| 06:03 |
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nicomo |
we'd be very happy to actually transfer those to another entity |
| 06:04 |
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nicomo |
a foundation if it's set up |
| 06:04 |
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nicomo |
another entity such as HLT is the foundation takes too long |
| 06:04 |
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thd |
Unfortunately, the US trademark could be a small obstacle to the community. |
| 06:05 |
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nicomo |
yes, but hey, I'm not the culprit on this one :-) |
| 06:05 |
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thd |
nicomo: yes of course, you are now the victim |
| 06:06 |
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Amit |
hi ropuch, nicomo, thd |
| 06:06 |
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nicomo |
but then, biblibre transferring the European TM to the community *at no charge* will put, hopefully, some pressure on LibLime to act in the same way |
| 06:06 |
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nicomo |
hi Amit |
| 06:06 |
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thd |
hello Amit |
| 06:07 |
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thd |
nicomo: if you think that HLT is the best solution for the interim period you should be advocating that on the mailing lists |
| 06:07 |
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nicomo |
I did |
| 06:07 |
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nicomo |
and in the poll |
| 06:07 |
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nicomo |
I'm just waiting for the results of the poll on this |
| 06:07 |
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thd |
nicomo: don't stop advocating with all the reasons which you can find |
| 06:08 |
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nicomo |
got to take my daughter to school : brb |
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Ropuch |
ho Amit |
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What does "copy available for reference" stand for? |
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hdl_laptop |
Ropuch : Copies you can consult only on site |
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Ropuch |
hdl_laptop: thanks |
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toins |
hello world |
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hdl_laptop |
hello toins it's been a hell of a time. |
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hdl_laptop |
Would you please vote for relicensing ? |
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toins |
hello hdl_laptop |
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Ropuch |
Hi toins |
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toins |
hi Ropuch |
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ricardo |
Hi everyone! |
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Ropuch |
Hello ricardo |
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ricardo |
Hi Ropuch |
| 09:49 |
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kmkale |
@weather thane |
| 09:49 |
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munin |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:40 PM IST on October 12, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
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Amit |
hi kmkale |
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Amit |
@wunder Bangalore |
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munin |
Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on October 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
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hdl_laptop |
chris around ? |
| 10:35 |
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ricardo |
hdl_laptop: Hi Henri! :) I guess chris isn't here (or he's quieter than usual). I'm doing some finishing touches in the Portuguese translation. What's the deadline for submitting it? |
| 10:36 |
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ricardo |
(for 3.0.4, I mean) |
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hdl_laptop |
asap. |
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hdl_laptop |
I have to release by wednesday |
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ricardo |
hdl_laptop: OK, thanks... I'll try to send it tomorrow night to chris |
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Amit |
hi indradg, ricardo |
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ricardo |
Hi Amit! |
| 11:21 |
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ricardo |
Lunch time... BBL |
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chris_n |
g'morning #koha |
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Ropuch |
Hi chris_n |
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CGI870 |
Hello, is there anyone around that might help with a strange LDAP problem? |
| 14:21 |
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slef |
Hi. Anyone know if koha has item records only visible by logged-in users yet? |
| 14:21 |
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slef |
CGI870: if you explain it, maybe you'll find out. |
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CGI870 |
The problem we are having is that the default entry in the koha-conf.xml file keeps updating the borrwers tables in koha even though the update parameter is set to 0 |
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hdl_laptop |
slef I donot think so |
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slef |
CGI870: update on every login? Which koha version? |
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nengard |
howdy joetho |
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CGI870 |
Slef> It's version 3.00.00.107 |
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slef |
CGI870: does it update on every login? |
| 15:12 |
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CGI870 |
Yep....every login. Which is annoying cause if a staff users change an attribute it will change back when the user nexts logs in |
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CGI870 |
BTW, it's only the branch code that changes back,.....others attributes don't |
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chris_n |
hi brendan |
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nengard |
hi brendan |
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chris_n |
hi nengard |
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slef |
CGI870: that's odd - you have replicate as 1 and update as 0? |
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nengard |
this makes me sad : http://www.facebook.com/griffe[…]0854104366&ref=nf I want to help him :( |
| 15:33 |
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Ropuch |
Hi nengard |
| 15:34 |
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slef |
nengard: what does it say besides "RegistriÄi Facebook por konekti kun Jason Griffey"? |
| 15:34 |
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nengard |
slef ... hmm - link works for me ... |
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slef |
nengard: presumably you're logged into facebook? |
| 15:34 |
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nengard |
he says "Looks like the images in the Koha documentation are actually broken...and I don't see any contact info on who to alert. Fail!" |
| 15:35 |
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slef |
oh wow, ow |
| 15:35 |
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nengard |
I told him i'm doc manager but not web manager ;( |
| 15:35 |
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nengard |
and can't help him |
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nengard |
my answer "I'm the Doc Manager - and the one to contact, but I don't manage the website - hence the reason I'm moving the docs. I wish I could help you - and this whole Plone site thing was supposed to be the answer you were looking for, but still has some bugs that aren't being addressed - I am working as fast I can on moving the manual and wish I could help you more than that :(" |
| 15:35 |
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slef |
time to bring back kohadocs.org? |
| 15:36 |
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nengard |
i'm working on moving the documentation to docbook xml - and then we can put it anywhere we want |
| 15:36 |
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nengard |
whether that's kohadocs.org or elsewhere |
| 15:36 |
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slef |
less than 1h left to work today - I guess I should open my list mailbox :scared: |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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* chris_n |
hands slef a fire extinguisher ;-) |
| 15:40 |
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Ropuch |
nengard: if I can be of any help - just tell me what to do [; |
| 15:40 |
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nengard |
thanks a bunch Ropuch |
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CGI870 |
yep....repliacte 1 update 0,. I know, very strange |
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slef |
CGI870: what's branch in your LDAP source? |
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slef |
Anyone else been invite-spammed by Nouman Soomro? |
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* owen |
grumbles |
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slef |
owen? |
| 17:29 |
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owen |
I'm tired of Ben Ide being LibLime's mouthpiece. |
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owen |
Now it seems he's ready to justify their refusal of a public git repo by saying "Git is hard." |
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Nate |
AMEN |
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slef |
no, peoplehours is hard... git is not generally hard |
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slef |
although I did break a repo of our wordpress last week :-/ |
| 17:32 |
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slef |
take care with git gc |
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ricardo_away |
owen: gee... OK. In that case, would it be possible to convince him / LibLiblime to use Subversion... or even CVS? |
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* chris_n |
wonders about the validity of the statement Ben Ide makes regarding others withholding code |
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owen |
Those are accusations Joshua has made before, so I'm assuming Ben is getting them directly from him. |
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chris_n |
it would be good to have those entities to categorically deny them publicly to take the wind out of those sails |
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owen |
Actually I think it's best to ignore it. It's a distraction from the real issue of whether or not it is appropriate for koha.org to link to LEK demos. |
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owen |
LibLime knows what real community participation is, and they've argued this identical case in the past with reference to *other* entities. |
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* chris_n |
thinks that every issue is real atm :-) |
| 17:48 |
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ricardo |
owen: *nod* |
| 17:48 |
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ricardo |
chris_n: *nod* |
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owen |
What is Ben saying, that LibLime is justified because others have done it? |
| 17:48 |
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ricardo |
(stop make me nodding, or else I'll get a neck problem! ;-) |
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chris_n |
but I think that I may should not have hijacked the thread |
| 17:49 |
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chris_n |
owen: correct |
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owen |
Don't worry chris_n: Joshua isn't likely to respond no matter where the thread goes :) |
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chris_n |
I'm sure that there are some modifications, etc. which would truly be of no interest to the community |
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chris_n |
owen: too true |
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chris_n |
paul_p: congrats on the dev contract |
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paul_p |
chris_n: what are u speaking of ? |
| 18:16 |
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paul_p |
(OK, understood ;-) ) |
| 18:16 |
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paul_p |
RFCs for koha 3.4 |
| 18:22 |
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collum |
I think my eye is twitching from reading the Listserv. |
| 18:24 |
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owen |
I'm glad Ben has finally cleared his schedule to the point where he can look at the koha.org home page and find out what they hell we're talking about. |
| 18:26 |
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ricardo |
collum: Eyelid twitch: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia |
| 18:26 |
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ricardo |
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline[…]rticle/000756.htm |
| 18:26 |
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ricardo |
(always happy to help! ;-) |
| 18:28 |
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collum |
They need to add Guiness to the treatment. |
| 18:28 |
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chris_n |
lol |
| 18:29 |
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ricardo |
collum: LOL! |
| 18:30 |
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ricardo |
collum: I'm guessing that you mean the Beer and NOT the Book... although I guess that getting hit by the Book may also solve the eye twitching problem... ;-) |
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collum |
ricardo: Yes, definitely the beer. Actually spelled "guinness" |
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ricardo |
collum: *nod* |
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* chris_n |
thinks Ben must not be *too* busy... today at lease ;-) |
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chris_n |
least even |
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* paul_p |
think all of this will finish with a "community koha" moving to an new url, and that's a real shame... |
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ricardo |
paul_p: *nod* :( |
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paul_p |
:( can't answer mails from my hotel (smtp closed :( ) |
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ricardo |
paul_p: No Webmail available? |
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* nengard |
laughing at owen's PDF comment |
| 18:53 |
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* chris_n |
apologizes to nengard for hijacking her thread :-P |
| 18:53 |
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chris_n |
or who'sever it was |
| 18:54 |
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chris_n |
owen: lol |
| 18:55 |
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chris_n |
git create-pdf |
| 18:56 |
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chris |
oh ffs |
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ricardo |
nengard / owen_ : Sending a PDF it's actually not that far-fetched: |
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chris |
this is the low point in my 10+ years of koha |
| 18:56 |
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ricardo |
The PGPi scanning project |
| 18:56 |
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ricardo |
http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/project/scanning/ |
| 18:57 |
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nengard |
chris_n never ever apologize for chiming in |
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chris |
i have to now go defend HLT from someone who has no idea wtf they are talking about |
| 18:57 |
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ricardo |
chris: Hi! :) |
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chris |
2 hours before i have to talk with someone from HLT about Koha |
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chris |
i hope she doesnt read the thread |
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nengard |
sorry you're sad/mad/upset chris |
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nengard |
don't let the minority upset you |
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owen_ |
I don't think it's worth it, chris |
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joetho |
<--agrees |
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brendan |
*nods* |
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joetho |
patience. |
| 18:58 |
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ricardo |
chris: I'm furiously editing the PO files. Would it possible for me to send it to you by e-mail in say 3 hours or so? (or do you prefer that I send it in a different way, e.g: git patch) |
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joetho |
Virtue shall prevail. |
| 18:59 |
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* chris |
just read owen's reply, ill let that one do it |
| 18:59 |
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chris |
ricardo: no hurry im at conference for one more day |
| 18:59 |
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* chris |
went to bed all happy |
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Ropuch |
;> |
| 19:00 |
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chris |
had dinner last night with RMS, Jo from HLT and brenda chawner |
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ricardo |
chris: Cool... And do you have e-mail access at the conference (or when you return back home)? |
| 19:00 |
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ricardo |
chris: What conference, BTW? |
| 19:01 |
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chris |
LIANZA (library association of NZ) |
| 19:01 |
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chris |
spent 3 hours chatting while eating bangladeshi food |
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chris |
talked about Koha, Software as a Service, DRM .. then the use of passive tense in maori :) |
| 19:01 |
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ricardo |
("while eating bangladeshi food" => famous last words ;-) |
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chris |
hehe, it was really really good, ive never tried it before, but im a fan now |
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chris |
ricardo: i do, but it is patchy access |
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ricardo |
chris: cool :) |
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chris |
but once i am back in wellington, i will tidy everything up, and push everything up ready for HDL |
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ricardo |
chris: Understood... I'll also be in a training course tomorrow. It'll take place here at work, but my Internet access will be very limited most of the time |
| 19:03 |
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paul_p |
owen: lol for PDF... |
| 19:03 |
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chris |
yeah, its just getting the time to use it is the trick |
| 19:03 |
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ricardo |
chris: right |
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paul_p |
owen++ for his humour |
| 19:03 |
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ricardo |
paul_p: *nod* |
| 19:03 |
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ricardo |
owen++ |
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owen |
Looks like the Liblime koha.org blocks crawls by the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.koha.org |
| 19:05 |
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chris |
yeah its got a robots.txt fikle |
| 19:06 |
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chris |
or nofollow links or something the spider honours |
| 19:06 |
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ricardo |
Well, I think there was one progress in this process (strange sentence...): someone from LibLime (Ben Ide) got in the conversation, started talking about making the source code available (as a tarball) and now seems to be considering using git... That's progress comparing to the previous state (no communication from LibLime) |
| 19:07 |
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chris |
he isnt from Liblime |
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chris |
he is from one of the libraries that is part of WALDO |
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chris |
he has no more knowledge of what liblime plan than you or I do |
| 19:09 |
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chris |
works in a library that use Koha, and takes cheap shots at the Library that made that possible ... |
| 19:09 |
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Ropuch |
Looks like it |
| 19:09 |
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ricardo |
chris: OK, I stand corrected then |
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paul_p |
(well, he may have 'access' to josh, maybe) |
| 19:09 |
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chris |
tis what made me angry |
| 19:12 |
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owen |
Things like the dig at "HTL" must come directly from Josh. |
| 19:14 |
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chris |
oh yeah, he must be parroting |
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chris |
josh needs to be careful |
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chris |
there are people in NZ not under confidentiality agreements who know exactly what happened when liblime pulled out of NZ |
| 19:15 |
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chris |
first hand knowledge .. and i suspect that places like kapiti are having to bite their tongues very hard |
| 19:15 |
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ricardo |
( All this "saga" strangely reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S[…]venge_of_the_Sith ) |
| 19:16 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 19:18 |
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ricardo |
Is it too late to persuade LibLime to not give in to the "Dark side of the Force"? I hope not... (cheesy, I know... but all of this seems a bit surreal to me) |
| 19:19 |
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chris |
the thing to remember is this hasnt just happened 2 months ago |
| 19:19 |
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chris |
this has been slowly happening for years |
| 19:20 |
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chris |
LEK is just the last straw |
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chris |
but like you, everyone hoped liblime could be persuaded otherwise, so were silent publicly |
| 19:21 |
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ricardo |
chris: understood |
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chris |
also there was a real sense of not wanting to damage the reputation of Koha |
| 19:21 |
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ricardo |
chris: right |
| 19:22 |
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ricardo |
OK. I have to go home now. Take care everyone! :) |
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chris |
cya later ricardo |
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chris |
hdl_laptop: are you about? |
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hdl_laptop |
yse |
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hdl_laptop |
yes even |
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paul_p |
chris is 100% right: this was slowly happening for years now. I've probably been josh last contact, could not think things would end like this, but I was wrong |
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paul_p |
chris: a mail for you (trans manager) on koha-dev |
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chris |
ahh i just replied to one |
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chris |
oh i have replied to him twice |
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* chris |
will reply again |
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chris |
hdl_laptop: is pushing up the .po files tomorrow night NZ time ok? |
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hdl_laptop |
Yes. |
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hdl_laptop |
Could you check that the french po file is ok for 3.0.x ? |
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hdl_laptop |
I could not merge on Pootle site, so I directly uploaded the file. |
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hdl_laptop |
But can't be sure of the translation |
| 19:29 |
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hdl_laptop |
anyway, it is the translation we use at biblibre_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com |
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chris |
righto |
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chris |
i will test it before I push it up |
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owen |
Hi CGI901 |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: I think that creating a new kohadocs project on gitorious could be a sound thing. |
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hdl_laptop |
chris: don't you think ? |
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nicomo |
hdl_laptop: I'm conflicted about this |
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hdl_laptop |
why ? |
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nicomo |
nengard pointed out, rightly, that have our doc on git will limit the potential contributors to the doc project quite radically |
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chris |
not at all |
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chris |
just because we store it in git |
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chris |
doesnt mean people have to use git to edit it |
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nicomo |
ah, that's a different proposition then |
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chris |
dont fall into the having to catalogue in marc because we store stuff in marc trapped :) |
| 19:43 |
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nicomo |
but it's not a complete answer |
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nicomo |
if we have an editing tool |
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nicomo |
which one should it be |
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chris |
it needs to be one that can save in xml |
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hdl_laptop |
XXE could be the choice |
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nicomo |
and how can we synchronize nicely between it and git |
| 19:44 |
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nicomo |
bleh |
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chris |
an html only manual is crap |
| 19:44 |
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nicomo |
agreed |
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hdl_laptop |
and synching could be done with git commit; git push |
| 19:45 |
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nicomo |
hdl_laptop: you've got to be kidding |
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chris |
i dont mind what editor we choose, the history of the documentation is that lots of people say they want to edit/write but very little do |
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chris |
nicomo: that doesnt seem like an onerous task for the docmanager to do |
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chris |
and the benefits of having version control far outweigh any downside |
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nicomo |
chris: and hdl_laptop you're talking to a librarian here |
| 19:46 |
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hdl_laptop |
or use git gui if you prefer user interface. |
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chris |
yes but nicole is doc manager |
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chris |
i would expect her to collate and mange the repository |
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hdl_laptop |
manage |
| 19:46 |
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chris |
and she has more than enough git skill to do that |
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* gmcharlt |
pokes head in - version control of doc, if not a sine qua non, IMO is very important |
| 19:46 |
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nicomo |
gmcharlt: it is |
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gmcharlt |
and the same ease of branching that applies to code applies to doc |
| 19:47 |
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nicomo |
what I'm trying to have a feel for here is how we can have this *and* something easy to use |
| 19:47 |
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hdl_laptop |
and version control has to do with cvs, subversion, etc.... like it or not ;) |
| 19:48 |
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chris |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14303 <-- guess you guys all know about this already hehe |
| 19:48 |
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hdl_laptop |
maybe we could use Alfresco to manage revisions, but would be a little bit overkill nicomo ;) |
| 19:48 |
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chris |
oh god no |
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nicomo |
hdl_laptop: if I have to translate the manual in .po files you hear from me |
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chris |
we use that at work, its a nightmare pile of java madness |
| 19:49 |
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chris |
translating doc with po files is a crazy idea |
| 19:49 |
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nicomo |
come on chris i was kidding |
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chris |
and has nothing to do with xml or storing it in git |
| 19:50 |
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chris |
sorry, low on humour today |
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chris |
:( |
| 19:50 |
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* chris |
promises to lighten up |
| 19:50 |
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nicomo |
well, it's not friday, I'll give you that |
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hdl_laptop |
well... Docbook makes po generation quite easy. |
| 19:50 |
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hdl_laptop |
->[] |
| 19:51 |
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nicomo |
how can one push a docbook file into a nice looking cms, anyone know? |
| 19:52 |
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gmcharlt |
nicomo: I think I don't mind so much if the DocM has to learn a version control tool (and after all, nengard does know git), as long as the DocM is willing to check doc into the repository that's contributed from outside |
| 19:53 |
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nicomo |
indeed |
| 19:53 |
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nicomo |
that makes sense |
| 19:53 |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: sorry to bug you again, but could you push the patch for bug 3706 when you get a chance? its a nasty and is causing trouble for some |
| 19:53 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3706 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger foundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Label templates/layouts do not save properly |
| 19:53 |
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chris |
http://drupal.org/project/export_docbook |
| 19:53 |
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nicomo |
yes drupal has some stuff about docbook |
| 19:53 |
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chris |
maybe we could use drupal, then export to docbook to store |
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cait_laptop |
hi #koha |
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chris_n |
howdy cait_laptop |
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nicomo |
hi cait_laptop |
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nicomo |
import/export docbook in drupal is not a very polished module iirc |
| 19:56 |
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cait_laptop |
nicomo: reading your rfc's now - I wondered myself how the circ matric can manage more options, |
| 19:57 |
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nicomo |
cait_laptop: yep, I don't have a clue about the way forward yet for that, |
| 19:58 |
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nicomo |
but something has to be done |
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nicomo |
it's messy |
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chris |
speaking of 3.4 |
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chris |
we need to start collecting proposals for RM |
| 19:58 |
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nicomo |
and adding options it's going to be messier still |
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cait_laptop |
nicomo: and painful to change ... I have 180 rules in this matrix now |
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nicomo |
cait_laptop: ++ |
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hdl_laptop |
hi cait_laptop |
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nicomo |
ergonomics of it all will be important |
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cait_laptop |
hi hdl_laptop |
| 19:58 |
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nicomo |
if you have ideas, please write them down in the wiki |
| 19:59 |
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brendan |
chris -- any ideas for who wants to be RM for 3.4 |
| 19:59 |
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cait_laptop |
in horizon we have circ parameters with a matrix for each parameter... but this is not really better |
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chris |
brendan: i dont think anyone sane wants to be RM |
| 19:59 |
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chris |
:) |
| 19:59 |
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nicomo |
and my memories from Aleph, which I used to manage, are not much better |
| 20:00 |
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chris |
but I would throw my name in the hat if the community thought that was a good idea |
| 20:00 |
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gmcharlt |
which makes me inane, eh? ;) |
| 20:00 |
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cait_laptop |
so we need something new and innovative - not easy :) |
| 20:00 |
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chris_n |
RM == Routinely Mangled |
| 20:00 |
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nicomo |
lol |
| 20:00 |
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gmcharlt |
in any event, /me is decidedly *not* putting my hat into that particular ring |
| 20:00 |
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cait_laptop |
lol |
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chris |
id like 3.4 to be a short cycle release, predominantly clean up and speed, with some new features |
| 20:01 |
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cait_laptop |
hm when chris is release manager - who will answer my translation questions? ;) |
| 20:01 |
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chris |
thats what my proposal would look like in a nutshell |
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chris |
cait_laptop: you, you can be TM :) |
| 20:02 |
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cait_laptop |
oh |
| 20:02 |
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chris |
but yes, that would mean we would need a new TM |
| 20:02 |
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cait_laptop |
not sure if I am able to do that - I would need help on the technical part I think |
| 20:03 |
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nicomo |
cait_laptop: we could get inspiration from the UIs in CMSs like wordpress or drupal |
| 20:03 |
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chris |
well i better go mingle, have good days//evenings |
| 20:04 |
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cait_laptop |
nicomo: I installed drupal for a project in library school, but dont remember much of it, but looking at non-libary-software is a good idea |
| 20:04 |
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cait_laptop |
bye chris :) |
| 20:04 |
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* nicomo |
loves drupal, even though I have to admit the learning curve is (too) steep |
| 20:04 |
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nicomo |
seeya chris |
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cait_laptop |
nicomo: we had joomla and typo3 too, we did a short comparison and drupal made a really good impression |
| 20:06 |
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nicomo |
the back office of complex web site management systems can be an inspiration, I think |
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nicomo |
here the amount of data to be pulled in the page is not very important |
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nicomo |
it's just that it's complex to organize in the page |
| 20:08 |
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nicomo |
so I guess we could load most of it from the start |
| 20:08 |
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nicomo |
and work from here, limiting the need to refresh the page? |
| 20:08 |
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cait_laptop |
not sure if I can follow your thoughts :) |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: not insane, but a hero ;) |
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cait_laptop |
it should be easier to edit rules or single parameters |
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cait_laptop |
perhaps options to select combinations and change them, something like btype student, all item types, change fine to xx? |
| 20:11 |
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cait_laptop |
but this might still be too complicated and causing too much errors |
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nicomo |
ah ah cait_laptop you don't follow my thoughts because they're unclear |
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cait_laptop |
or its just too late, just came back from heidelberg, tired |
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nicomo |
yeah I'm tired too: 10;20pm and I've been here since 8:30am, more or less |
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nicomo |
so I'll let chris go mingle and I'll get to bed |
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cait_laptop |
sounds like a good plan |
| 20:20 |
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nicomo |
:-) yeah, see you all tomorrow |
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cait_laptop |
i will think about the UI - perhaps owen has some ideas? |
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cait_laptop |
good night nicomo |
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paul_p |
tone up'ing btw owen & ben... |
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paul_p |
time to go to bed (& battery low) |
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paul_p |
bye world |
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owen |
"LibLime has done a fix of sorts" ? |
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cait_laptop |
good night #koha |
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brendan |
afternoon |
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chris_n2 |
howdy brendan |
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brendan |
hi chris_n2 |
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Topic for #koha is now discussion channel for the Koha ILS |
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brendan |
heya pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hi brendan |
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pianohacker |
how's your monday |
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brendan |
been a slow day |
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brendan |
well besides reading many koha mail-list fodder |
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pianohacker |
ahh |
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* pianohacker |
hands brendan a flame-retardant suit |
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brendan |
hehe |
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brendan |
accepted :) |
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chris_n2 |
hey pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hi, chris_n2 |
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joetho |
pianohacker |
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joetho |
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pianohacker |
how are you doing? |
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joetho |
pm |
