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00:55 ricardo @later tell chris Hi chris. I'm finishing doing the last changes to the Portuguese translation, but I will only finish it on Monday morning (it will be Monday evening for you). I'll send it by e-mail to you
00:55 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded.
01:13 ricardo Bye ppl. Time to go to bed! :)
03:08 mason heh, on slashdot today.....
03:08 mason http://teddziuba.com/2009/10/i-dont-code-in-my-free-time.html
03:47 Amit hi chris
03:49 thd Ropuch: are you still there?
05:50 Ropuch thd: I'am now ;>
05:50 Ropuch Morning #koha
05:51 thd Ropuch: you asked about the license for the Koha manuals?
05:52 Ropuch thd: yes, but I've already contacted Nicole
05:53 thd Ropuch: How did she respond?
05:53 thd or what was her response?
05:54 Ropuch She said that's ok for me to translate it and advised med to hold off as manual is being changed into Docbook/XML
05:55 thd Ropuch: What did she say about the license?
05:55 Ropuch "You are free to translate and republish the manual whenever"
05:56 thd OK
05:57 thd Ropuch: There is a line at the base of the Koha website stating that the content is distributed under GNU GPL which links to GPL 2.
05:59 thd Ropuch: I had asked Nicole to make that GPL 2 or later when she republishes the manuals so that we can upgrade the license terms if we need to.
05:59 Ropuch thd: yes, I'm aware of that, I just wanted be sure, as it follows "Koha® and the Koha logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of LibLime and BibLibre in the United States, France and other countries"
05:59 Ropuch Hi nicomo
05:59 nicomo hi all
06:00 thd Ropuch: no one will be using those trademarks against any community effort such as translating manuals
06:00 nicomo Ropuch: what's the beginning of the discussion here regarding TM?
06:00 nicomo if i can bring some clarity...
06:00 thd nicomo: permission to translate the manual
06:00 thd nicomo: trademarks scare people
06:00 nicomo indeed they do
06:01 nicomo we (biblibre) stand there on this issue:
06:01 thd nicomo: I was just explaining to Ropuch that he had no need for concern about trademarks
06:01 Ropuch I would much more encouraging if the manual itslef has some some license link and statement
06:02 nicomo we registered the TM in France in 2005 when a company (Ineo) that didn't seem intent on playing nice with the community starting circling around koha
06:02 nicomo we did the same with a European Union wide TM when some tension emerged with PTFS at the end of 2008
06:02 nicomo we always said we were doing this to protect the TM for the community
06:03 nicomo and indeed we never used the TM
06:03 Ropuch Good move :)
06:03 nicomo we'd be very happy to actually transfer those to another entity
06:04 nicomo a foundation if it's set up
06:04 nicomo another entity such as HLT is the foundation takes too long
06:04 thd Unfortunately, the US trademark could be a small obstacle to the community.
06:05 nicomo yes, but hey, I'm not the culprit on this one :-)
06:05 thd nicomo: yes of course, you are now the victim
06:06 Amit hi ropuch, nicomo, thd
06:06 nicomo but then, biblibre transferring the European TM to the community *at no charge* will put, hopefully, some pressure on LibLime to act in the same way
06:06 nicomo hi Amit
06:06 thd hello Amit
06:07 thd nicomo: if you think that HLT is the best solution for the interim period you should be advocating that on the mailing lists
06:07 nicomo I did
06:07 nicomo and in the poll
06:07 nicomo I'm just waiting for the results of the poll on this
06:07 thd nicomo: don't stop advocating with all the reasons which you can find
06:08 nicomo got to take my daughter to school : brb
06:09 Ropuch ho Amit
07:05 Ropuch What does "copy available for reference" stand for?
07:09 hdl_laptop Ropuch : Copies you can consult only on site
07:46 Ropuch hdl_laptop: thanks
07:50 toins hello world
07:51 hdl_laptop hello toins it's been a hell of a time.
07:51 hdl_laptop Would you please vote for relicensing ?
07:51 toins hello hdl_laptop
08:02 Ropuch Hi toins
08:02 toins hi Ropuch
09:15 ricardo Hi everyone!
09:31 Ropuch Hello ricardo
09:32 ricardo Hi Ropuch
09:49 kmkale @weather thane
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10:12 Amit hi kmkale
10:19 Amit @wunder Bangalore
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10:27 hdl_laptop chris around ?
10:35 ricardo hdl_laptop: Hi Henri! :) I guess chris isn't here (or he's quieter than usual). I'm doing some finishing touches in the Portuguese translation. What's the deadline for submitting it?
10:36 ricardo (for 3.0.4, I mean)
10:49 hdl_laptop asap.
10:50 hdl_laptop I have to release by wednesday
10:51 ricardo hdl_laptop: OK, thanks... I'll try to send it tomorrow night to chris
11:12 Amit hi indradg, ricardo
11:15 ricardo Hi Amit!
11:21 ricardo Lunch time... BBL
12:52 chris_n g'morning #koha
13:32 Ropuch Hi chris_n
14:07 CGI870 Hello, is there anyone around that might help with a strange LDAP problem?
14:21 slef Hi. Anyone know if koha has item records only visible by logged-in users yet?
14:21 slef CGI870: if you explain it, maybe you'll find out.
14:41 CGI870 The problem we are having is that the default entry in the koha-conf.xml file keeps updating the borrwers tables in koha even though the update parameter is set to 0
14:44 hdl_laptop slef I donot think so
14:45 slef CGI870: update on every login? Which koha version?
14:50 nengard howdy joetho
15:09 CGI870 Slef> It's version 3.00.00.107
15:10 slef CGI870: does it update on every login?
15:12 CGI870 Yep....every login. Which is annoying cause if a staff users change an attribute it will change back when the user nexts logs in
15:12 CGI870 BTW, it's only the branch code that changes back,.....others attributes don't
15:18 chris_n hi brendan
15:24 nengard hi brendan
15:28 chris_n hi nengard
15:30 slef CGI870: that's odd - you have replicate as 1 and update as 0?
15:33 nengard this makes me sad : http://www.facebook.com/griffey?v=feed&story_fbid=150854104366&ref=nf I want to help him :(
15:33 Ropuch Hi nengard
15:34 slef nengard: what does it say besides "RegistriÄi Facebook por konekti kun Jason Griffey"?
15:34 nengard slef ... hmm - link works for me ...
15:34 slef nengard: presumably you're logged into facebook?
15:34 nengard he says "Looks like the images in the Koha documentation are actually broken...and I don't see any contact info on who to alert. Fail!"
15:35 slef oh wow, ow
15:35 nengard I told him i'm doc manager but not web manager ;(
15:35 nengard and can't help him
15:35 nengard my answer "I'm the Doc Manager - and the one to contact, but I don't manage the website - hence the reason I'm moving the docs. I wish I could help you - and this whole Plone site thing was supposed to be the answer you were looking for, but still has some bugs that aren't being addressed - I am working as fast I can on moving the manual and wish I could help you more than that :("
15:35 slef time to bring back kohadocs.org?
15:36 nengard i'm working on moving the documentation to docbook xml - and then we can put it anywhere we want
15:36 nengard whether that's kohadocs.org or elsewhere
15:36 slef less than 1h left to work today - I guess I should open my list mailbox :scared:
15:39 chris_n hehe
15:40 * chris_n hands slef a fire extinguisher ;-)
15:40 Ropuch nengard: if I can be of any help - just tell me what to do [;
15:40 nengard thanks a bunch Ropuch
15:41 CGI870 yep....repliacte 1 update 0,. I know, very strange
15:57 slef CGI870: what's branch in your LDAP source?
16:29 slef Anyone else been invite-spammed by Nouman Soomro?
17:27 * owen grumbles
17:28 slef owen?
17:29 owen I'm tired of Ben Ide being LibLime's mouthpiece.
17:29 owen Now it seems he's ready to justify their refusal of a public git repo by saying "Git is hard."
17:29 Nate AMEN
17:31 slef no, peoplehours is hard... git is not generally hard
17:32 slef although I did break a repo of our wordpress last week :-/
17:32 slef take care with git gc
17:32 ricardo_away owen: gee... OK. In that case, would it be possible to convince him / LibLiblime to use Subversion... or even CVS?
17:45 * chris_n wonders about the validity of the statement Ben Ide makes regarding others withholding code
17:45 owen Those are accusations Joshua has made before, so I'm assuming Ben is getting them directly from him.
17:46 chris_n it would be good to have those entities to categorically deny them publicly to take the wind out of those sails
17:47 owen Actually I think it's best to ignore it. It's a distraction from the real issue of whether or not it is appropriate for koha.org to link to LEK demos.
17:48 owen LibLime knows what real community participation is, and they've argued this identical case in the past with reference to *other* entities.
17:48 * chris_n thinks that every issue is real atm :-)
17:48 ricardo owen: *nod*
17:48 ricardo chris_n: *nod*
17:48 owen What is Ben saying, that LibLime is justified because others have done it?
17:48 ricardo (stop make me nodding, or else I'll get a neck problem! ;-)
17:49 chris_n but I think that I may should not have hijacked the thread
17:49 chris_n owen: correct
17:49 owen Don't worry chris_n: Joshua isn't likely to respond no matter where the thread goes :)
17:49 chris_n I'm sure that there are some modifications, etc. which would truly be of no interest to the community
17:50 chris_n owen: too true
18:03 chris_n paul_p: congrats on the dev contract
18:16 paul_p chris_n: what are u speaking of ?
18:16 paul_p (OK, understood ;-) )
18:16 paul_p RFCs for koha 3.4
18:22 collum I think my eye is twitching from reading the Listserv.
18:24 owen I'm glad Ben has finally cleared his schedule to the point where he can look at the koha.org home page and find out what they hell we're talking about.
18:26 ricardo collum: Eyelid twitch: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
18:26 ricardo http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000756.htm
18:26 ricardo (always happy to help! ;-)
18:28 collum They need to add Guiness to the treatment.
18:28 chris_n lol
18:29 ricardo collum: LOL!
18:30 ricardo collum: I'm guessing that you mean the Beer and NOT the Book... although I guess that getting hit by the Book may also solve the eye twitching problem... ;-)
18:31 collum ricardo: Yes, definitely the beer. Actually spelled "guinness"
18:32 ricardo collum: *nod*
18:32 * chris_n thinks Ben must not be *too* busy... today at lease ;-)
18:33 chris_n least even
18:33 * paul_p think all of this will finish with a "community koha" moving to an new url, and that's a real shame...
18:34 ricardo paul_p: *nod* :(
18:43 paul_p :( can't answer mails from my hotel (smtp closed :( )
18:48 ricardo paul_p: No Webmail available?
18:48 * nengard laughing at owen's PDF comment
18:53 * chris_n apologizes to nengard for hijacking her thread :-P
18:53 chris_n or who'sever it was
18:54 chris_n owen: lol
18:55 chris_n git create-pdf
18:56 chris oh ffs
18:56 ricardo nengard / owen_ : Sending a PDF it's actually not that far-fetched:
18:56 chris this is the low point in my 10+ years of koha
18:56 ricardo The PGPi scanning project
18:56 ricardo http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/project/scanning/
18:57 nengard chris_n never ever apologize for chiming in
18:57 chris i have to now go defend HLT from someone who has no idea wtf they are talking about
18:57 ricardo chris: Hi! :)
18:57 chris 2 hours before i have to talk with someone from HLT about Koha
18:57 chris i hope she doesnt read the thread
18:57 nengard sorry you're sad/mad/upset chris
18:57 nengard don't let the minority upset you
18:57 owen_ I don't think it's worth it, chris
18:57 joetho <--agrees
18:57 brendan *nods*
18:58 joetho patience.
18:58 ricardo chris: I'm furiously editing the PO files. Would it possible for me to send it to you by e-mail in say 3 hours or so? (or do you prefer that I send it in a different way, e.g: git patch)
18:58 joetho Virtue shall prevail.
18:59 * chris just read owen's reply, ill let that one do it
18:59 chris ricardo: no hurry im at conference for one more day
18:59 * chris went to bed all happy
19:00 Ropuch ;>
19:00 chris had dinner last night with RMS, Jo from HLT and brenda chawner
19:00 ricardo chris: Cool... And do you have e-mail access at the conference (or when you return back home)?
19:00 ricardo chris: What conference, BTW?
19:01 chris LIANZA (library association of NZ)
19:01 chris spent 3 hours chatting while eating bangladeshi food
19:01 chris talked about Koha, Software as a Service, DRM .. then the use of passive tense in maori :)
19:01 ricardo ("while eating bangladeshi food" => famous last words ;-)
19:02 chris hehe, it was really really good, ive never tried it before, but im a fan now
19:02 chris ricardo: i do, but it is patchy access
19:02 ricardo chris: cool :)
19:02 chris but once i am back in wellington, i will tidy everything up, and push everything up ready for HDL
19:03 ricardo chris: Understood... I'll also be in a training course tomorrow. It'll take place here at work, but my Internet access will be very limited most of the time
19:03 paul_p owen: lol for PDF...
19:03 chris yeah, its just getting the time to use it is the trick
19:03 ricardo chris: right
19:03 paul_p owen++ for his humour
19:03 ricardo paul_p: *nod*
19:03 ricardo owen++
19:04 owen Looks like the Liblime koha.org blocks crawls by the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.koha.org
19:05 chris yeah its got a robots.txt fikle
19:06 chris or nofollow links or something the spider honours
19:06 ricardo Well, I think there was one progress in this process (strange sentence...): someone from LibLime (Ben Ide) got in the conversation, started talking about making the source code available (as a tarball) and now seems to be considering using git... That's progress comparing to the previous state (no communication from LibLime)
19:07 chris he isnt from Liblime
19:07 chris he is from one of the libraries that is part of WALDO
19:07 chris he has no more knowledge of what liblime plan than you or I do
19:09 chris works in a library that use Koha, and takes cheap shots at the Library that made that possible ...
19:09 Ropuch Looks like it
19:09 ricardo chris: OK, I stand corrected then
19:09 paul_p (well, he may have 'access' to josh, maybe)
19:09 chris tis what made me angry
19:12 owen Things like the dig at "HTL" must come directly from Josh.
19:14 chris oh yeah, he must be parroting
19:14 chris josh needs to be careful
19:15 chris there are people in NZ not under confidentiality agreements who know exactly what happened when liblime pulled out of NZ
19:15 chris first hand knowledge .. and i suspect that places like kapiti are having to bite their tongues very hard
19:15 ricardo ( All this "saga" strangely reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_III:_Revenge_of_the_Sith )
19:16 chris hehe
19:18 ricardo Is it too late to persuade LibLime to not give in to the "Dark side of the Force"? I hope not... (cheesy, I know... but all of this seems a bit surreal to me)
19:19 chris the thing to remember is this hasnt just happened 2 months ago
19:19 chris this has been slowly happening for years
19:20 chris LEK is just the last straw
19:20 chris but like you, everyone hoped liblime could be persuaded otherwise, so were silent publicly
19:21 ricardo chris: understood
19:21 chris also there was a real sense of not wanting to damage the reputation of Koha
19:21 ricardo chris: right
19:22 ricardo OK. I have to go home now. Take care everyone! :)
19:22 chris cya later ricardo
19:22 chris hdl_laptop: are you about?
19:23 hdl_laptop yse
19:23 hdl_laptop yes even
19:23 paul_p chris is 100% right: this was slowly happening for years now. I've probably been josh last contact, could not think things would end like this, but I was wrong
19:25 paul_p chris: a mail for you (trans manager) on koha-dev
19:26 chris ahh i just replied to one
19:26 chris oh i have replied to him twice
19:26 * chris will reply again
19:27 chris hdl_laptop: is pushing up the .po files tomorrow night NZ time ok?
19:27 hdl_laptop Yes.
19:27 hdl_laptop Could you check that the french po file is ok for 3.0.x ?
19:28 hdl_laptop I could not merge on Pootle site, so I directly uploaded the file.
19:28 hdl_laptop But can't be sure of the translation
19:29 hdl_laptop anyway, it is the translation we use at biblibre_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com
19:29 chris righto
19:29 chris i will test it before I push it up
19:33 owen Hi CGI901
19:40 hdl_laptop nengard: I think that creating a new kohadocs project on gitorious could be a sound thing.
19:40 hdl_laptop chris: don't you think ?
19:41 nicomo hdl_laptop: I'm conflicted about this
19:41 hdl_laptop why ?
19:42 nicomo nengard pointed out, rightly, that have our doc on git will limit the potential contributors to the doc project quite radically
19:42 chris not at all
19:42 chris just because we store it in git
19:42 chris doesnt mean people have to use git to edit it
19:43 nicomo ah, that's a different proposition then
19:43 chris dont fall into the having to catalogue in marc because we store stuff in marc trapped :)
19:43 nicomo but it's not a complete answer
19:43 nicomo if we have an editing tool
19:43 nicomo which one should it be
19:43 chris it needs to be one that can save in xml
19:44 hdl_laptop XXE could be the choice
19:44 nicomo and how can we synchronize nicely between it and git
19:44 nicomo bleh
19:44 chris an html only manual is crap
19:44 nicomo agreed
19:44 hdl_laptop and synching could be done with git commit; git push
19:45 nicomo hdl_laptop: you've got to be kidding
19:45 chris i dont mind what editor we choose, the history of the documentation is that lots of people say they want to edit/write but very little do
19:45 chris nicomo: that doesnt seem like an onerous task for the docmanager to do
19:46 chris and the benefits of having version control far outweigh any downside
19:46 nicomo chris: and hdl_laptop you're talking to a librarian here
19:46 hdl_laptop or use git gui if you prefer user interface.
19:46 chris yes but nicole is doc manager
19:46 chris i would expect her to collate and mange the repository
19:46 hdl_laptop manage
19:46 chris and she has more than enough git skill to do that
19:46 * gmcharlt pokes head in - version control of doc, if not a sine qua non, IMO is very important
19:46 nicomo gmcharlt: it is
19:47 gmcharlt and the same ease of branching that applies to code applies to doc
19:47 nicomo what I'm trying to have a feel for here is how we can have this *and* something easy to use
19:47 hdl_laptop and version control has to do with cvs, subversion, etc.... like it or not ;)
19:48 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14303 <-- guess you guys all know about this already hehe
19:48 hdl_laptop maybe we could use Alfresco to manage revisions, but would be a little bit overkill nicomo ;)
19:48 chris oh god no
19:48 nicomo hdl_laptop: if I have to translate the manual in .po files you hear from me
19:48 chris we use that at work, its a nightmare pile of java madness
19:49 chris translating doc with po files is a crazy idea
19:49 nicomo come on chris i was kidding
19:49 chris and has nothing to do with xml or storing it in git
19:50 chris sorry, low on humour today
19:50 chris :(
19:50 * chris promises to lighten up
19:50 nicomo well, it's not friday, I'll give you that
19:50 hdl_laptop well... Docbook makes po generation quite easy.
19:50 hdl_laptop ->[]
19:51 nicomo how can one push a docbook file into a nice looking cms, anyone know?
19:52 gmcharlt nicomo: I think I don't mind so much if the DocM has to learn a version control tool (and after all, nengard does know git), as long as the DocM is willing to check doc into the repository that's contributed from outside
19:53 nicomo indeed
19:53 nicomo that makes sense
19:53 chris_n gmcharlt: sorry to bug you again, but could you push the patch for bug 3706 when you get a chance? its a nasty and is causing trouble for some
19:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3706 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Label templates/layouts do not save properly
19:53 chris http://drupal.org/project/export_docbook
19:53 nicomo yes drupal has some stuff about docbook
19:53 chris maybe we could use drupal, then export to docbook to store
19:53 cait_laptop hi #koha
19:54 chris_n howdy cait_laptop
19:54 nicomo hi cait_laptop
19:54 nicomo import/export docbook in drupal is not a very polished module iirc
19:56 cait_laptop nicomo: reading your rfc's now - I wondered myself how the circ matric can manage more options,
19:57 nicomo cait_laptop: yep, I don't have a clue about the way forward yet for that,
19:58 nicomo but something has to be done
19:58 nicomo it's messy
19:58 chris speaking of 3.4
19:58 chris we need to start collecting proposals for RM
19:58 nicomo and adding options it's going to be messier still
19:58 cait_laptop nicomo: and painful to change ... I have 180 rules in this matrix now
19:58 nicomo cait_laptop: ++
19:58 hdl_laptop hi cait_laptop
19:58 nicomo ergonomics of it all will be important
19:58 cait_laptop hi hdl_laptop
19:58 nicomo if you have ideas, please write them down in the wiki
19:59 brendan chris -- any ideas for who wants to be RM for 3.4
19:59 cait_laptop in horizon we have circ parameters with a matrix for each parameter... but this is not really better
19:59 chris brendan: i dont think anyone sane wants to be RM
19:59 chris :)
19:59 nicomo and my memories from Aleph, which I used to manage, are not much better
20:00 chris but I would throw my name in the hat if the community thought that was a good idea
20:00 gmcharlt which makes me inane, eh? ;)
20:00 cait_laptop so we need something new and innovative - not easy :)
20:00 chris_n RM == Routinely Mangled
20:00 nicomo lol
20:00 gmcharlt in any event, /me is decidedly *not* putting my hat into that particular ring
20:00 cait_laptop lol
20:01 chris id like 3.4 to be a short cycle release, predominantly clean up and speed, with some new features
20:01 cait_laptop hm when chris is release manager - who will answer my translation questions? ;)
20:01 chris thats what my proposal would look like in a nutshell
20:01 chris cait_laptop: you, you can be TM :)
20:02 cait_laptop oh
20:02 chris but yes, that would mean we would need a new TM
20:02 cait_laptop not sure if I am able to do that - I would need help on the technical part I think
20:03 nicomo cait_laptop: we could get inspiration from the UIs in CMSs like wordpress or drupal
20:03 chris well i better go mingle, have good days//evenings
20:04 cait_laptop nicomo: I installed drupal for a project in library school, but dont remember much of it, but looking at non-libary-software is a good idea
20:04 cait_laptop bye chris :)
20:04 * nicomo loves drupal, even though I have to admit the learning curve is (too) steep
20:04 nicomo seeya chris
20:05 cait_laptop nicomo: we had joomla and typo3 too, we did a short comparison and drupal made a really good impression
20:06 nicomo the back office of complex web site management systems can be an inspiration, I think
20:07 nicomo here the amount of data to be pulled in the page is not very important
20:07 nicomo it's just that it's complex to organize in the page
20:08 nicomo so I guess we could load most of it from the start
20:08 nicomo and work from here, limiting the need to refresh the page?
20:08 cait_laptop not sure if I can follow your thoughts :)
20:09 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: not insane, but a hero ;)
20:10 cait_laptop it should be easier to edit rules or single parameters
20:11 cait_laptop perhaps options to select combinations and change them, something like btype student, all item types, change fine to xx?
20:11 cait_laptop but this might still be too complicated and causing too much errors
20:18 nicomo ah ah cait_laptop you don't follow my thoughts because they're unclear
20:19 cait_laptop or its just too late, just came back from heidelberg, tired
20:19 nicomo yeah I'm tired too: 10;20pm and I've been here since 8:30am, more or less
20:20 nicomo so I'll let chris go mingle and I'll get to bed
20:20 cait_laptop sounds like a good plan
20:20 nicomo :-) yeah, see you all tomorrow
20:20 cait_laptop i will think about the UI - perhaps owen has some ideas?
20:20 cait_laptop good night nicomo
20:50 paul_p tone up'ing btw owen & ben...
20:50 paul_p time to go to bed (& battery low)
20:50 paul_p bye world
20:52 owen "LibLime has done a fix of sorts" ?
21:15 cait_laptop good night #koha
21:59 brendan afternoon
22:33 chris_n2 howdy brendan
22:33 brendan hi chris_n2
22:54 brendan heya pianohacker
22:54 pianohacker hi brendan
22:54 pianohacker how's your monday
22:55 brendan been a slow day
22:55 brendan well besides reading many koha mail-list fodder
22:58 pianohacker ahh
22:58 * pianohacker hands brendan a flame-retardant suit
22:58 brendan hehe
22:58 brendan accepted :)
23:01 chris_n2 hey pianohacker
23:14 pianohacker hi, chris_n2
23:57 joetho pianohacker
23:57 pianohacker joetho
23:57 pianohacker how are you doing?
23:58 joetho pm