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brendan |
13 minutes and counting |
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Amit |
hi chris, brendan |
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Amit |
good morning #koha ;) |
| 03:25 |
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chris |
heya Amit |
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brendan |
hey amit |
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susan |
Good day everyone |
| 04:45 |
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susan |
anyone awake? Its morning my time... |
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chris |
some people are, some people are about to wake up, some are about to go to sleep, and some are asleep :) |
| 04:47 |
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susan |
Located in Abu Dhabi :) my apologies |
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chris |
im in NZ |
| 04:47 |
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chris |
so nearly time for me to go home from work ;) |
| 04:47 |
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susan |
I have an urgent question that I need to give an answer to today. Is there an already existing way of importing data into koha from OCLC or not? |
| 04:47 |
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susan |
:) |
| 04:47 |
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chris |
yes |
| 04:48 |
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chris |
OCLC has a Z3950 server eh? |
| 04:48 |
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susan |
Do you have an article/blog/ anything that I can read |
| 04:48 |
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susan |
Does it? How can I find this server information? |
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chris |
http://www.oclc.org/z3950/default.htm |
| 04:48 |
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chris |
you can just add that server to your list of servers to query then do a z3950 search in the cataloguing interface |
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susan |
wow..that simple |
| 04:49 |
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susan |
your great. Thanks alot for the help. Sure glad you are awake hehe |
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chris |
no problem :) |
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susan |
:) |
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Amit |
hi susan |
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susan |
Hi amit |
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susan |
sorry for the delay. I was talking to my manager :) |
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Amit |
no problem ;) |
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susan |
Hi Amit, did you want to say something? |
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Amit |
no |
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susan |
Sorry then :) |
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brendan |
good night #koha |
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Amit |
hi ncomo |
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Amit |
hi nicomo |
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nicomo |
Hi Amit |
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nicomo |
hi all |
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Amit |
any one know patron data in MARC format |
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nicomo |
Amit: this question reminds me of something |
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nicomo |
it's been asked before, right? |
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Amit |
yes |
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nicomo |
here? or on the mailing lists? can't rememer |
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Amit |
in |
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Amit |
IRC |
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Amit |
i have all tag and indicator of patron data in MARC |
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nicomo |
ok |
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Amit |
format but unable to test |
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nicomo |
I'm puzzle by this |
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nicomo |
why would you want patron records in Marc in the 1st place? |
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Amit |
means please be clear |
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nicomo |
why is it better for you to have the patron data in Marc, rather than just in the DB? |
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nicomo |
hi magnusenger |
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magnusenger |
good morning, nicomo |
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Amit |
hi magnusenger ;) |
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magnusenger |
hi Amit |
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|Lupin| |
hello there |
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chris |
hi |Lupin| |
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laurenthdl |
hello |
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laurenthdl |
nahuel_: around ? |
| 08:08 |
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nahuel_ |
yep |
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|Lupin| |
hey chris |
| 08:20 |
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chris |
is laurenthdl travelling today? |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
| 08:24 |
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laurenthdl |
chris: yes |
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Amit_G |
hi lupin, laurendthdl |
| 08:31 |
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|Lupin| |
hello Amit |
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|Lupin| |
guten morgen kf |
| 08:40 |
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kf |
InternetExplorer-- |
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chris |
ie-- |
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chris |
ie6-- #especially ie6 |
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chris |
@karma for ie |
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munin |
chris: for ie has neutral karma. |
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chris |
@karma ie |
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munin |
chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 08:43 |
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kf |
ie-- |
| 08:43 |
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chris |
@karma ie |
| 08:43 |
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munin |
chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. |
| 08:43 |
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kf |
decreasing ie's karma makes me feel a little better g |
| 08:46 |
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chris |
hehe |
| 08:49 |
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kf |
trying to change xslt to display our hebrew records nicely |
| 08:49 |
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kf |
oh, and zotero is broken - but its broken on detail page in general in 3.2 |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
oh really? |
| 08:50 |
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* chris |
looks |
| 08:51 |
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kf |
and marc view tabs looks strange in ie, they are jumping around a little |
| 08:52 |
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chris |
well zotero only works with firefox afaik |
| 08:52 |
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kf |
strange |
| 08:52 |
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|Lupin| |
ie-- |
| 08:52 |
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|Lupin| |
just by solidarity |
| 08:53 |
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chris |
zotero is a firefox extension isnt it? |
| 08:53 |
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kf |
yes |
| 08:54 |
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kf |
ok, result list works fine, but detail page not |
| 08:54 |
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kf |
I dont get the possibility to add it |
| 08:54 |
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kf |
we have amazon covers and reviews activated |
| 08:54 |
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kf |
and xslt on |
| 08:55 |
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chris |
ahh |
| 08:55 |
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chris |
if you turn xslt off does it show? |
| 08:57 |
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chris |
hmm nope |
| 08:58 |
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kf |
you can reproduce it now? |
| 08:59 |
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chris |
yeah shows on normal, doesnt show on xslt |
| 09:00 |
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chris |
thats a bug, want to do a bug report and ill try and fix it |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
i will try to add one - zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on? |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
I think it did work in 3.0.3 |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
but cant test - we only have 3.2 n |
| 09:02 |
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chris |
yep that sounds like a good bug report |
| 09:07 |
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kf |
severity? |
| 09:08 |
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chris |
critical or major |
| 09:10 |
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kf |
@bug 3559 |
| 09:10 |
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munin |
kf: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, P5, ---, jmf liblime.com, NEW, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
right i think i just fixed it |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]biblionumber=1134 |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
showing for you here? |
| 09:11 |
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kf |
you are fast! |
| 09:11 |
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kf |
will check, one second |
| 09:12 |
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kf |
sory, no |
| 09:13 |
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chris |
ahh make sure you change your langauge to en |
| 09:13 |
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kf |
mom |
| 09:13 |
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kf |
yes |
| 09:13 |
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kf |
that was the problem |
| 09:13 |
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chris |
(i only fixed it on taht template) |
| 09:14 |
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chris |
cool, will send a patch, you will need to regen your german templates when the patch is pushed |
| 09:14 |
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kf |
works fine now |
| 09:14 |
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kf |
ok |
| 09:14 |
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kf |
thx chris! |
| 09:15 |
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chris |
cool |
| 09:15 |
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kf |
mom, is it now possible to have different xslt files for different languages? |
| 09:17 |
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chris |
not yet im afraid |
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chris |
but the xslt is only part of what builds that page |
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chris |
the actual coins stuff is in opac-detail.tmpl |
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kf |
ah ok |
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|Lupin| |
what's Zotero btw ? |
| 09:27 |
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kf |
kind of reference management software |
| 09:27 |
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kf |
its a popular firefox plugin |
| 09:28 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: ok, thanks |
| 09:28 |
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kf |
but I think coins is not only used by Zotero but by other applications as well, I think coins is a way to mark bibliographic data in html |
| 09:29 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:29 |
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kf |
and you can import it to zotero as a reference |
| 09:30 |
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|Lupin| |
ahah |
| 09:30 |
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|Lupin| |
wasn't aware of this |
| 09:33 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: thanks for having explained |
| 09:34 |
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chris |
http://ocoins.info/ |
| 09:35 |
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kf |
coins = microformat? I read something about microformats for calendars some time ago |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
@karma encoding |
| 09:38 |
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munin |
kf: Karma for "encoding" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
encoding-- |
| 09:38 |
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|Lupin| |
why kf ? |
| 09:38 |
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|Lupin| |
@karma ms |
| 09:38 |
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munin |
|Lupin|: Karma for "ms" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0. |
| 09:39 |
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|Lupin| |
@karma microsoft |
| 09:39 |
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munin |
|Lupin|: microsoft has neutral karma. |
| 09:39 |
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|Lupin| |
ms-- |
| 09:39 |
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kf |
our vendor has problems with display of umlauts |
| 09:39 |
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|Lupin| |
microsoft-- |
| 09:39 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: I see |
| 09:40 |
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* |Lupin| |
things that when he will start to catalogue things in tibetan things will really become fun |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
is tibetan ltr or rtl? |
| 09:42 |
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|Lupin| |
ltr |
| 09:42 |
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|Lupin| |
but in reality things are a bit more complicated than that, because the structure of a syllable is not in one dimension, but on two dimensions |
| 09:43 |
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|Lupin| |
so a syllable can be seen as a matrix where each letter can have several others stacked on top of it or underneath it |
| 09:43 |
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kf |
sounds like fun :) |
| 09:43 |
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chris |
@karma |
| 09:43 |
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munin |
chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "owen" (38). Lowest karma: "<!" (-16), "failed" (-10), and "<-" (-9). You (chris) are ranked 4 out of 382. |
| 09:47 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: yes. Since recently I can type tibetan in my LInux console and the letters are displayed correctly on the screen. In braille, however, each letter is represented by a question mark at the moment. I'll have to choose a braille representaiton for each letter, which is not very easy :) |
| 09:47 |
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|Lupin| |
@karma kf |
| 09:47 |
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munin |
|Lupin|: Karma for "kf" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. |
| 09:48 |
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kf |
yay :) |
| 09:48 |
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chris |
@most |
| 09:48 |
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munin |
chris: (most [<channel>] {increased,decreased,active}) -- Returns the most increased, the most decreased, or the most active (the sum of increased and decreased) karma things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 09:49 |
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chris |
@most increased |
| 09:49 |
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munin |
chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 39, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 34, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 16, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "git": 7, "ricardo": 6, "jwagner": 5, "|Lupin|": 5, "mason": 5, "schuster": 5, and "acmoore": 5 |
| 09:49 |
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chris |
@most decreased |
| 09:49 |
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munin |
chris: "<!": 16, "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "+---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+--------": 3, "--><th>Renew</th><!": 3, "class="highlight"<!": 3, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, (1 more message) |
| 09:49 |
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chris |
@clear <! |
| 09:49 |
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munin |
chris: Error: You don't have the #koha,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 09:50 |
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chris |
@whoami |
| 09:50 |
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munin |
chris: chris |
| 09:50 |
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chris |
ah will get gmcharlt to clear it ;) |
| 09:50 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear <! |
| 09:50 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:50 |
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chris |
gmcharlt++ |
| 09:51 |
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kf |
hm I need to do something for my karma :) |
| 09:51 |
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chris |
@languages |
| 09:51 |
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munin |
chris: downloading the Perl source |
| 09:53 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: your karma does not seem too bad |
| 09:53 |
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chris |
gmcharlt: do you ever watch letterman? |
| 09:53 |
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gmcharlt |
chris: very, very rarely |
| 09:54 |
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chris |
apparently the nz prime minister is going to be doing one of the top ten lists |
| 09:54 |
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gmcharlt |
@lcear --><th>Renew</th><! |
| 09:54 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 09:55 |
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gmcharlt |
@lcear '--><th>Renew</th><!' |
| 09:55 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:55 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear --><th>Renew</th><! |
| 09:55 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:55 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear +---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+-------- |
| 09:55 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:55 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear class="highlight"<! |
| 09:55 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:56 |
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chris |
@most active |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 40, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 35, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 18, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "failed": 10, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "<-": 9, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "ricardo": 7, "git": 7, "-": 6, "jwagner": 5, and "|Lupin|": 5 |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@most decreased |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "--": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-abo[…]ebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux- (1 more message) |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear <- |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear -- |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@most decreased |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-abo[…]ebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-di[…]ibution-with-Koha": 1, (1 more message) |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear - |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@clear <tr<! |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:56 |
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gmcharlt |
@most decreased |
| 09:56 |
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munin |
gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-abo[…]ebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-di[…]ibution-with-Koha": 1, "March": 1, "ago": (1 more message) |
| 09:57 |
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chris |
nabble_and_its_crazy_urls-- |
| 09:58 |
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|Lupin| |
it's to bad the bot hasn't some aliases, so that, say, ms and microsoft refer to the same thing |
| 10:18 |
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Amit |
hi galen |
| 10:18 |
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gmcharlt |
hi Amit |
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| 10:20 |
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|Lupin| |
does someone know how whether there exists some verb in english to say something like "contact again a client who didn't reply so far" ? |
| 10:21 |
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|Lupin| |
a substantive may be helpful, too |
| 10:22 |
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gmcharlt |
very informally, "poke" or "prod" |
| 10:22 |
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|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: ok, thanks. It's to write in a paper, so I assume from what you said that none of these two would work ? |
| 10:23 |
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gmcharlt |
correct |
| 10:23 |
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|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: ok |
| 10:24 |
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|Lupin| |
At this stage, it may be helpful to have a database of rightsholders with precise contact information, plus a system to keep track of orders and assist the librarian in sending new requests to those rightholders who did not repl so foar. |
| 10:24 |
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|Lupin| |
would this sentence be okay ? |
| 10:25 |
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gmcharlt |
yes, except for the typos at the very end ;) |
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|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: s/repl/reply/, something else ? |
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gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: s/foar/far/ |
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|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: wow, sorry, I didn't notice this one. Thanks. |
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|Lupin| |
time to leave |
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|Lupin| |
bye |
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Amit |
time to leave bye |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt: ping? |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: pong |
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jdavidb |
Some time when you've got a few minutes, I'd like to visit with you about the build_holds_queue cron, and the hold_fill_targets table.. Something about it has me scratching my head, and "git blame" shows your name a *lot* in there. |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: sure - busy this morning, but feel free to ping me this afternoon |
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jdavidb |
Willdo. EBPL may have a fringe use-case here (*everything* about EBPL is a fringe use-case, IMO...) and it's causing some headaches. I can short-circuit it, but I'd like to understand it instead, if possible. |
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schuster |
Owen - how's the baby? sleeping through the night yet? |
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owen |
She has always been a remarkable sleeper, especially compared to our first |
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owen |
She wakes up once or twice, otherwise she sleeps great |
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schuster |
Oh you are lucky! Does your wife work? One of our librarians has had to go back to work after having her baby in May and the adjustment to daycare has not been good. Once an all nigh sleeper is waking up every 2 hours wanting food or to be played with. |
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jdavidb |
My older daughter slept all night the first night home from the hospital. She hasn't done it since, of course...she'll be 17 this fall... |
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paul_p |
good morning USA ! |
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owen |
My wife teaches high school, so she got the summer off plus one extra month this month. Then back to school. |
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owen |
Hi paul_p |
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paul_p |
France is great here: you get 20weeks off when you've a baby (6 before and 14 after the birth), at full salary. For the 3rd or more (of for twins), you get 26. If you have 3 or more babies at the same time it's 36 (but not sure the pain to have 3 babies is worth the 10 more weeks...) |
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jdavidb |
That is good,paul_p...way, way better than here. |
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owen |
paul_p: Maybe so, but according to some American politicians France is a horrible communist country where people wait in line for days for basic health care! |
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collum |
paul_p: Do the father's also get days off? |
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paul_p |
collum: of course, but just 2 weeks |
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paul_p |
and (except for the 1st), anyone (mum or dad) can take 1 year with 1k€ or upto 3 years with 500€ (monthly) to take care of the child |
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paul_p |
my wife is in this status for 5 years now (Jérémie, then 2.5 years later Matthieu) |
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paul_p |
it's called "parental education allocation" |
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jdavidb |
owen: Saw this article on AlterNet, and it points out several pretty dramatic differences in the US and French healthcare systems: http://bit.ly/2CCO3C |
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jdavidb |
I knew that France's system was better, but I didn't quite realize how *much* better. |
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paul_p |
the other side : if you have a salary of 1k€ (net), the mandatory health care amount is almost another 1k€ |
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jdavidb |
Well, sure. There ain't no free lunches. |
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gmcharlt |
but no such thing as "pre-existing conditions", I bet |
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paul_p |
something like 50% for diseases, 25% for retirement, 25% for family allocation. |
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gmcharlt |
what is family allocatin? |
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paul_p |
a frenchism, probably ;-) |
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* jdavidb |
nods at gmcharlt. |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: no doubt :) but what is it? |
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paul_p |
it's the 1k€ / 500€ I spoke previously + an amount EVERY famil gets just to have childrens |
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owen |
chris++ for fast Zotero/xslt patch |
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jdavidb |
"pre-existing" has been a problem for me all my life. Since I've always been an amputee, anything having to do with my right leg is a "pre-existing condition." |
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gmcharlt |
ah |
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* owen |
could have sworn there was an existing bug for that one |
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paul_p |
monthly : 0 for the 1st, 100 for the 2nd, 160 for 3rd and each one after |
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paul_p |
until your children is 18 |
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paul_p |
for us, we get almost 1000€ every months (we have 4 childrens, and wife in "Parental Education Allocation") |
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jdavidb |
Oh, I can so see women here taking way too much advantage of that.. Lordy. "Octomom" wouldn't be news any more. "*only* 14 kids? Pssht." |
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collum |
paul_p: What happens at 18. Is university paid for? We just sent our 18 year old to college. He's finding that he really didn't want as much freedom as he has been asking for since he was 14. |
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paul_p |
jdavidb: in fact, some ppl here are complaining about ppl from north africa having too much babies, just to get the money. |
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paul_p |
collum: are you seated ? if no, the take a chair... |
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paul_p |
universities are free (as beer) in France... |
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collum |
paul_p: I'm braced. |
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collum |
Beer is free? European beer!!!! |
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is trying to think of good reasons why *not* living in France is a good idea, and coming up short. |
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paul_p |
(no, it was just refering to free as beer / free as speech) |
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paul_p |
jdavidb: maybe => we speak french ? |
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paul_p |
(but anyway, it's true that a lot of ppl complains the allocation stops when the childrens cost more !) |
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jdavidb |
paul: We have that problem in our immigrant communities. They're not US citizens, but if their baby is born here, the baby is. And so the parents get support money, etc... and there are strong incentives to have lotsa the little monsters.) |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: but I suspect not as much as you'd think - we're long past the days where you could set your kids to work on the farm, after all |
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jdavidb |
paul: I don't see speaking French as a problem. I don't, but there's no reason I *couldn't*... |
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heads back to printing the X0000 of pages I have to print for an RFP (poor trees...) |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt: Move to south Texas. We really oughta draw a line from El Paso to San Antonio to Houston, and give everything south of the line back to Mexico... They don't set 'em to work on the farm, unfortunately. Quite a few end up in really violent gangs and such. |
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jdavidb |
My brother used to live down there, and he had to move, because my nephew was the *last* native-English speaker in the whole school district--they were only going to offer ESL. |
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jdavidb |
The fact that so darn many of them seem to *want* to live in the squalid conditions of the Rio Grande Valley says something about the place they came from that is really unnerving to me. |
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hi again |
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owen |
Is anyone familiar with this problem? http://www.nabble.com/Changela[…]t-to25134301.html |
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owen |
I'm not sure I understand how to reproduce it |
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gmcharlt |
owen: I had poked around with that footer in HEAD a while back; it's possible that it may not be reproduicible in HEAD |
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|Lupin| |
hi Sharon |
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Sharon |
good morning |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon: ah good morning... here it's afternoon already |
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Sharon |
this global community stuff 'bakes my noodle' as Liz would say |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon: coudl you explain a bit pls ? who is Liz, what does this expression mean ? :) |
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Sharon |
Liz is my co-worker who's on here as wizzyrea. Bakes my noodle = confuses me |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon: okay, thanks for the subtitles :) |
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rhcl |
I need coffee. brb |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea: do you allow me to re-use this expression ? I like it ! :) |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon: where are you located ? |
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wizzyrea |
|Lupin| of course :) |
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Sharon |
|Lupin| we are in Kansas, middle of the US |
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wizzyrea |
technically, that one came from my dad. In my dad's vernacular, the "noodle" was your head, thusly, to bake it was to be completely confused |
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wizzyrea |
so you could say "health care in the US totally bakes my noodle" |
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|Lupin| |
aaaah |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea: I think I got it. It expresses confusion because noodles are supposed to be boiled rather than baken, so if you bake them it's you must be totally confused... correct ? |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon: ok |
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wizzyrea |
you could also "bonk your noodle" (hit your head) |
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wizzyrea |
yep, that's about right |
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wizzyrea |
though that makes somewhat less sense |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
|Lupin| Kansas is where Dorothy is from in the story The Wizard of Oz, if that helps. |
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* wizzyrea |
ducks and waits for the inevitable "there's no place like home's" |
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kf |
hi liz - did you have a chance to look at your self checkouts for renewals? |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: cataloging professor is using the Wizard of Oz as an example this semester - lots of cornfield and Kansas jokes already :/ |
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wizzyrea |
kf- indeed, I got the info back late yesterday afternoon: the way ours work is that it just checks out the book again with a refreshed circ rule. It doesn't seem to follow the renewal rules. |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt - you can tell him that we have more wheat than corn ;) (nyah nyah) |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: I'll let her know ;) |
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wizzyrea |
her* |
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wizzyrea |
and it's fine to make fun of Kansas... there's a lot of comedic fodder here. |
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wizzyrea |
though not as much as Missouri ^.^ |
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Sharon |
that would be missoura... |
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wizzyrea |
I mean, any place whose name phonetically sounds so much like "misery" has to be funny, right? |
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kf |
rofl |
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Sharon |
gmcharlt we used that book for my cataloging class back at IU Bloomington. I don't remember KS jokes, but I'm sure there were some. |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea: heay it helps, I remember now. Thanks ! |
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kf |
wizzyrea: thx - perhaps we can do something similar. I already noticed that checking out a already checked out book leads to a renewal - was not sure if this could be a problem, when people accidently check out more than one and loose their renewals this way |
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chris |
hmm why am i awake at 2.30am .. oh thats right because of http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]ms/snzo-drum.html |
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jdavidb |
wizzyrea: When I was in college speech class, we were supposed to do a promotional speech for some tourist site we knew about. A guy from Topeka did one about "if you want a fun vacation, *don't* come to Kansas." |
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collum |
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/8543 |
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jdavidb |
Earthshaker a few minutes ago, chris ? |
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nahuel_ |
gmcharlt, around ? |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel_: yes |
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nahuel_ |
gmcharlt, cool, can you say me something about this syspref : emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced ? |
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nahuel_ |
why i do not find anything with a grep ? |
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nahuel_ |
instead in sql |
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rhcl |
I see in my absence people have been maligning Missoura. |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel_: it's not implement - it may have been in dev_week, but is not there now |
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chris |
yeah, centred 20km away, only 5.2 but a big jolt |
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nahuel_ |
ho ok ! So i'll do it :) |
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nahuel_ |
gmcharlt, thanks :) |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel_: it strikes me as something that only a really small library would want |
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nahuel_ |
depends, we have "big" libraries that needs it |
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nahuel_ |
"frenchies" big libraries |
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nahuel_ |
hehe |
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jdavidb |
That would be! Any damage, that you know of? |
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nahuel_ |
gmcharlt, anyway, thanks :) |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel_: indeed - but I can see even a small US public library crashing their mailing server due to volume they turned that on ;) |
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nahuel_ |
^^ |
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nahuel_ |
hehe ok |
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owen |
wizzyrea: Your dad was the Oracle in The Matrix? That's where I first heard "bake your noodle" |
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wizzyrea |
hmm.. no, but he was saying that long ago |
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wizzyrea |
way way before the movie |
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wizzyrea |
I forgot about that one though, you're right, it is in that movie |
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wizzyrea |
little different context |
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* owen |
has seen it a few too many times |
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kf |
wizzyrea++ for helping with renewals :) |
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wizzyrea |
kf: np :) |
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|Lupin| |
wizzyrea++ for the poetic noddle expression |
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wizzyrea |
ooh karma is falling from the saky |
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wizzyrea |
sky |
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|Lupin| |
Sharon++ also, for having used it |
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wizzyrea |
owen: obsessive matrix viewing from you does not surprise me |
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kf |
I declined a lot of karma today - is has to end up somewhere |
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kf |
"at a better place" |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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chris |
ok, thats the kids placated, no after shocks, im going back to sleep |
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owen |
"Daddy, there's an earthquake in my room!" |
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wizzyrea |
nub question: nozebra indexing needs to be scheduled? |
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wizzyrea |
w/ cron? |
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wizzyrea |
(I don't do much with the back end usually, but have an eensy library coming on to a dedicated server) |
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wizzyrea |
aww, not even a RTFM? |
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kf |
mom g |
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kf |
http://koha.org/documentation/[…]hterm=cron%20jobs |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: no, nozebra indexing is done on the fly |
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kf |
oh no zebra |
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kf |
sorry |
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gmcharlt |
rebuild_nozebra.pl usually need only be run if you change index definitions |
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jdavidb |
Now, this is novel. One of our customers is apparently quite nervous, all of a sudden, about the possibility of SQL injection attacks in the staff client. Actually presented what they thought would be a plausible scenario--which didn't work, when I tried it on a test server. |
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nahuel_ |
As I know |
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nahuel_ |
you cannot made sql injections easily |
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nahuel_ |
I already tryied |
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nahuel_ |
$dbh only execute one sql request, even if you pass 2 |
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jdavidb |
Ahh...nice feature, that. |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: another question... ccode searching with nozebra, should this work? |
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wizzyrea |
because I can't seem to get it to |
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wizzyrea |
(but I may have something set up wrong |
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wizzyrea |
) |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: depends entirely on index definitions - need a 'ccode' index in the syspref pulling from the appropriate 952 subfield |
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wizzyrea |
ok cool I will check them |
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wizzyrea |
thanks |
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wizzyrea |
I'm guessing it doesn't come with that one by default? |
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gmcharlt |
dunno offhand - check the syspref |
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wizzyrea |
k I wil |
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wizzyrea |
l |
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wizzyrea |
ty |
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wizzyrea |
>.< sorry, you would add something like 'ccode' => '9528' |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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wizzyrea |
and reindex? |
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gmcharlt |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
okies |
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wizzyrea |
ty |
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wizzyrea |
bleh, I added it but it's still not finding it, the records have it. I feel like I've witnessed this conversation many times, it's like deja vu, but I can't remember it all. |
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wizzyrea |
they must have changed something in the matrix |
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|Lupin| |
hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Hi, |Lupin| |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: I feel guilty for not remembering your name... Jesse ? |
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pianohacker |
That's the one. I had to use whois to remember Sébastien, so... |
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|Lupin| |
pianohacker: ah... but one day you called me Sébasien and since then each time I great you I think I should use your real name, too |
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pianohacker |
Ok :) |
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joetho |
Hi, JESSE |
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joetho |
how could I forget? |
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pianohacker |
Hi, tho |
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rhcl |
@ping wizzyrea |
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munin |
pong |
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rhcl |
? |
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pianohacker |
@ping |
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munin |
pong |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: ping |
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pianohacker |
^-- is the preferred method |
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rhcl |
wizzyrea: you on? |
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cait |
playing ping pong with munin? |
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rhcl |
that might work? |
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rhcl |
I was just trying to ring wizzy's bell and see if she's on |
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cait |
perhaps try to message her directly too |
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rhcl |
For US libraries the CPSC just released guidance for testing of lead in children's books |
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rhcl |
It had been a matter of concern, but the guidance says (basically) that we don't have to test them. |
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rhcl |
Could have been a big big expense for us. |
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joetho |
wizzy is lrea at nekls dot org (that is an L at the beginning) |
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joetho |
@ping |
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munin |
pong |
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joetho |
ha h a ha ha oh I like a bot with a sense of humor |
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joetho |
@ding |
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munin |
joetho: I suck |
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joetho |
@flip |
| 18:10 |
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munin |
joetho: I suck |
| 18:10 |
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rhcl |
Not that critical really, but my director was happy that we seem to be in the clear now, and apparently the news was just released, so I thought I'm mention it to her. |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
what does this mean, guidance for testing of lead in children's books? |
| 18:11 |
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cait |
I dont understand it :) |
| 18:11 |
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joetho |
to see if there is any lead (the metal) in the paper or ink or cover or anything...? |
| 18:12 |
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rhcl |
Apparently there had been some threat from recent legislation that libraries were going to have to test children's books for lead, or replace all of them with certified lead-free books. |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
ah |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
the metal |
| 18:12 |
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cait |
now I got it :) |
| 18:12 |
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rhcl |
Applied mostly to older books, I think. |
| 18:12 |
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rhcl |
A lot of libraries were sweating the issue. |
| 18:13 |
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owen |
Tricky homonyms. |
| 18:13 |
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joetho |
I'm all for it, if there is a cheap test |
| 18:13 |
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joetho |
"The Tough Coughs As He Ploughs the Dough" |
| 18:13 |
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rhcl |
Don't think there is such a thing (cheap test) and however cheap one test might be can you imagine the time and cumulative expense of testing hundreds or thousands of books? |
| 18:15 |
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joetho |
This could go hand in hand with the library I read of recently in the US northeast, a wealthy community... |
| 18:15 |
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joetho |
they wanted to restrict their library to exclude poor people, basically |
| 18:15 |
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joetho |
they could use the poor people to taste-test their books |
| 18:16 |
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joetho |
Just a modest proposal. |
| 18:16 |
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rhcl |
Oh, a Modest Proposal. |
| 18:16 |
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owen |
About 73,000 books in our collection would have been required to be tested. |
| 18:17 |
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joetho |
how old does a book have to be suspicious? |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
Beats me. |
| 18:17 |
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joetho |
I mean, if it is newer than ten years is it certifiably OK? |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
On August 26, 2009, the CPSC’s final rule on children’s products |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
containing lead was released.... |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
In the rule, CPSC confirmed that |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
libraries have no independent obligation to test library books for lead |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
under the law. |
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joetho |
this belongs on publib-L |
| 18:17 |
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rhcl |
CPSC also announced its intention to release a Statement |
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rhcl |
of Policy specifically providing guidance for libraries with regard to |
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rhcl |
the treatment of older children’s books that could potentially contain |
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rhcl |
lead. |
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joetho |
hey owen |
| 18:18 |
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rhcl |
According to our conversations with CPSC officials, that Statement |
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rhcl |
of Policy should be released within the next several weeks." |
| 18:18 |
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joetho |
is there any lead in any of your css customizations? |
| 18:18 |
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owen |
joetho: it's not the age of the book that is a concern. The law was prompted by issues with imports |
| 18:18 |
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joetho |
ahhh |
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joetho |
like the toys |
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owen |
Right |
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joetho |
yikes |
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rhcl |
Is there a marc field for identifying books that might have environmental concerns? |
| 18:19 |
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owen |
Only at Hogwarts. |
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cait |
or the invisible university |
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pianohacker |
Probably just a generic 500. |
| 18:24 |
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pianohacker |
cait: From discworld? |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
yes |
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pianohacker |
One would hope they'd gotten beyond MARC, at least |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
I think they would use something even more complicated than marc ;) |
| 18:32 |
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pianohacker |
Ack |
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joetho |
marc robinson? from denton, tx? |
| 18:35 |
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pianohacker |
Hehe, poor marc, at liblime |
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| 18:43 |
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owen |
Anyone else notice a problem with HEAD where it won't forget your "specify due date" date? |
| 18:45 |
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owen |
when I first load the circ page it pre-loads a date in the "specify due date" field. Even if I clear it before checking out I still get a warning that the date is invalid |
| 18:46 |
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chris |
havent seen that |
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* chris |
tries |
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owen |
chris: never mind, I must have been testing the globalDueDate pref. I had a date entered there. |
| 18:47 |
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owen |
I didn't realize it worked by pre-populating the "specify due date" field. |
| 18:51 |
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chris |
ahh good |
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chris |
cos i couldnt reproduce :) |
| 18:52 |
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joetho |
Koha 3 supports SIP2, correct? Why yes, Joe, it does. |
| 18:52 |
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joetho |
Thanks |
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joetho |
how about NCIP? |
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owen |
Fat chance |
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joetho |
but which one is more reliable? |
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cait |
we just tested sip2 with our vendor |
| 18:54 |
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joetho |
fat chance with ncip? |
| 18:54 |
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joetho |
what vendor, cait ? |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
renewals seem to have some problems and when checking in a barcode not known to koha self checkout crashes |
| 18:54 |
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joetho |
yikes |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
but we did many test cases rest works fine |
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joetho |
owen |
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cait |
its their self checkout machine thats loses connection - dont know what the problem is |
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owen |
No NCIP |
| 18:55 |
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cait |
its a German vendor |
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joetho |
owen gives me bad news today |
| 18:55 |
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joetho |
frown at owen |
| 18:56 |
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joetho |
so, with koha, it's sip2 or NUTTIN. |
| 18:56 |
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chris |
for now |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
but sip2 is not so bad |
| 18:56 |
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joetho |
I don't need it for much. |
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chris |
there is work on gettng the NCIP support up and going |
| 18:57 |
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owen |
I would be very happy to accept donation of NCIP functionality to Koha. Maybe WALDO--oh wait, never mind. |
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chris |
reeeoooowww |
| 18:58 |
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chris |
*hiss* *hiss* |
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chris |
:-) |
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cait |
@karma WALDO |
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munin |
cait: Karma for "WALDO" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 18:58 |
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chris |
jerks-- |
| 18:59 |
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cait |
I mourn for recall and hourly loans |
| 18:59 |
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chris |
the good news is, the sip2/ncip toolkit is something both Evegreen and Koha use |
| 18:59 |
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chris |
so any improvements on it benefits both projects, and i know there is stuff planned |
| 19:01 |
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owen |
That is good news |
| 19:01 |
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owen |
Okay, quick poll everyone: "due date" or "date due" |
| 19:01 |
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gmcharlt |
"due date" |
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cait |
due date |
| 19:02 |
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chris |
ditto |
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cait |
not a native speaker - but our old systems uses that to |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
too |
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* owen |
is working on Bug 3106 hoping it can be ready for 3.2 |
| 19:03 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3106 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, checked out list should look the same in all places |
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chris |
ohh sweet |
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chris |
right time to feed kahu some breakfast |
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chris |
bbiab |
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| 19:06 |
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schuster |
Is there a way to see the last time a borrower record was updated? We just did a student load and now I want to identify the students that didn't get updated as part of that load. 53,000 students and probably 6,000 needles in a haystack. |
| 19:08 |
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joetho |
duedue date |
| 19:08 |
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pianohacker |
I don't think there's a modification time on borrower records, unfortunately |
| 19:08 |
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owen |
I'm surprised the borrowers table doesn't have a timestamp column |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
isnt there are borrowers logß |
| 19:09 |
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joetho |
ahhh |
| 19:09 |
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joetho |
if I had 53000 patrons I might have that log turned off. |
| 19:09 |
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pianohacker |
cait: If they're enabled |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
when its turned on |
| 19:10 |
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pianohacker |
jinx^3 |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 19:10 |
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pianohacker |
Oh, just an American thing (we all said the same thing at the same time, so jinx) |
| 19:11 |
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owen |
for you pianohacker: http://www.salon.com/comics/bo[…]7/boll/index.html |
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pianohacker |
owen: Haha, nice |
| 19:12 |
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pianohacker |
To be honest, I think some corporate legal battles might actually make more sense if conducted by first-grader rules... |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
pianohacker: thx for exlaining :) |
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schuster |
drat... |
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schuster |
I see another enhancement request... |
| 19:16 |
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chris |
it did |
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chris |
last_modified |
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pianohacker |
We might have to do something about the borrowers table. With the recent PTFS enhancements, we're getting into the 60-column range |
| 19:16 |
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chris |
was a timestamp |
| 19:17 |
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chris |
someone killed it between 2.2.9 and now |
| 19:17 |
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cait |
I like the new country columns - my library asked for it and next day I got them :) |
| 19:17 |
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schuster |
That isn't a column in my borrowers table. |
| 19:17 |
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chris |
and the need a kicking |
| 19:17 |
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chris |
they even |
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schuster |
Lots of things got killed between 2.2.9... rrrr yes they even... too bad the code is gone no signature! |
| 19:18 |
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schuster |
Easy to determine when someone adds, hard to find when someone removes! |
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chris |
i bet i could find out, but it serves no purpose :) |
| 19:18 |
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chris |
git grep schuster |
| 19:19 |
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schuster |
;) - so is there a list of PTFS enhancements? |
| 19:19 |
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schuster |
I usually check git.koha.org to see the activity but sometimes those criptic programmer notes don't mean anything to me. |
| 19:20 |
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Sharon |
schuster PTFS put a lot of there enhancements in bugzilla |
| 19:21 |
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chris_n |
EHLO |
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schuster |
AH! - I have not looked at that lately are those enhancements to be done or complete can you search it easily? |
| 19:21 |
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pianohacker |
schuster: Mix of submitted, complete, and unfinished |
| 19:21 |
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joetho |
git.koha works kind of OK for me but only if I am looking for something very specific |
| 19:21 |
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joetho |
and if I know where to start looking |
| 19:22 |
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schuster |
Cool thanks pianohacker. |
| 19:22 |
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* chris_n |
tries to hammer xp pro into submission on sun vbox :-P |
| 19:23 |
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schuster |
Has anyone seen the ISBN 13 normalization type stuff come through? 10 digit and 13 digit searching interchangable - so that when you search a 13 it converts it to 10 to make sure you don't already have that book? |
| 19:23 |
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schuster |
chris_n good luck SUN burns XP... ;) |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
perhaps search for asignee kohaprogrammersptfs.com |
| 19:23 |
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Sharon |
owen on 3106, will Liz still be able to hide the check in feature? It doesn't trigger transfers and holds correctly (yet) |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: it's submitted, will be integrated |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
definitely will make it in for feature freeze |
| 19:24 |
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owen |
Sharon: Is she using Javascript to do that right now? |
| 19:24 |
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schuster |
Great thanks gmcharlt - that's a big piece of code that I think librarians will love. |
| 19:24 |
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Sharon |
she's using whatever you shared at kohacon |
| 19:24 |
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Sharon |
jquery |
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pianohacker |
Sharon: She'll have to change the JavaScript, but I'd imagine it would still be possible |
| 19:25 |
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owen |
Sharon: That should still work. |
| 19:25 |
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schuster |
PS loved sitting in on your Cat class yesterday on facebook - funny... RDA - did they know what they were talking about or just throwing out something they had heard of... I'm still waiting to see what they do with RDA! |
| 19:25 |
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Sharon |
cool. I like that there's going to be consistency. |
| 19:25 |
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schuster |
that PS was for gmcharlt |
| 19:26 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: it's was more a case that the the professor doesn't want to teach the controversy just yet ;) |
| 19:26 |
|
* owen |
realizes the checkout page has said "Holds(s)" probably since the release of Koha 3. |
| 19:26 |
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owen |
Holdses. |
| 19:26 |
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schuster |
How can you teach it if there isn't any practicing by almost nobody on how to! |
| 19:27 |
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schuster |
Gotta go sort some boxes... |
| 19:27 |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: can't teach RDA yet, but you could go on and on about the debate ;) |
| 19:44 |
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owen |
Sharon: Is there a bug report for the transfers/holds problem you mentioned? |
| 19:46 |
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chris |
im glad pianohacker answered the xml cataloguing question, cos i didnt know where to start |
| 19:47 |
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gmcharlt |
Koha is (not yet) the digital repository you are looking for |
| 19:48 |
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gmcharlt |
err, make that Koha is not (yet) the digital repo... |
| 19:48 |
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Sharon |
I think so |
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pianohacker |
xml-- |
| 19:48 |
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pianohacker |
But he's free to use whatever convoluted cataloging process he desires |
| 19:49 |
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cait |
owen: perhaps @bug 3514 |
| 19:49 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions |
| 19:49 |
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Sharon |
give me a minute, I'll go look |
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chris |
i catalogue xml in yaml in xml in sgml in xml |
| 19:50 |
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pianohacker |
Oh my. The data files for the new sysprefs editor are almost there; they're html in yaml in an html-template |
| 19:50 |
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chris |
i actaully like yaml |
| 19:51 |
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owen |
Hmf. I was about to say "that's not an enhancement" but I see that the the patch isn't really a fix. |
| 19:51 |
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pianohacker |
It is fun. Hopefully my ever-so-slight abuse of it won't raise too many developer hackles :) |
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chris |
<time>7.45<bus>4<whiplash>yes</whiplash></bus></time> |
| 19:52 |
|
* chris |
goes to catch his bus |
| 19:52 |
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pianohacker |
See ya |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
good night everybody :) |
| 19:53 |
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pianohacker |
Good night |
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Sharon |
owen bug 3536 |
| 19:57 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3536 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt |
| 19:59 |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt++ (that bug lookup feature of munin is very helpful) |
| 20:00 |
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owen |
Especially since I never seem to configure chatzilla to link to bugs properly on the first try |
| 20:00 |
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owen |
Although, chatzilla++ for offering a way to link directly to a bugzilla database from "Bug XXX" mentions |
| 20:09 |
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owen |
The display of holds on circulation.pl and moremember.pl includes a column for item type. Strictly speaking you can either display the bib-level item type or the item-level item type for *allocated* items. |
| 20:10 |
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owen |
Better not to show the item type column at all, or to show the item-level item type only for waiting holds? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: the former |
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gmcharlt |
item-type level holds no longer really exist; when they get rebuilt (stronger, and better!), can add back then |
| 20:11 |
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owen |
Okay. |
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Sharon |
owen we have a problem with bib level item types because in a consortium, libraries choose slightly different itypes (newbook v. book) for example |
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Sharon |
I think we whined until all itypes displayed in our catalog pull from the item record, not the bib. |
| 20:19 |
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Sharon |
Question - is this koha-generated email something new. The subject line is: Delayed Mail (still being retried) |
| 20:23 |
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pianohacker |
Sharon: That sounds like something generated by your mail server, rather than Koha itself |
| 20:23 |
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Sharon |
well then I'll ask wizzyrea about it. Thanks! It's something new and it's clogging inboxes (or so I'm told) |
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owen |
See y'all later |
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pianohacker |
Sharon: It's probably related to the mail problems mentioned on the Koha list |
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chris |
hmm yeah |
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chris |
that mail thing could be causing a bunch of mess |
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richard |
hi |
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chris |
hiya richard |
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richard |
i wondered what woke me up last night - http://www.geonet.org.nz/earth[…]145159g-maps.html |
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rhcl |
chris was talking about it. How close were you to it? |
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chris |
richard lives about 1 km away from me |
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chris |
we both live at about the top tip of the star |
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chris |
on that map |
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rhcl |
The Seismicity Map at the link above is pretty impressive. |
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wizzyrea |
ok... the mail thing... lol |
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wizzyrea |
do. not. panic. our situation was normal email operation |
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wizzyrea |
it was just a new (for them) message. This is what I get when I leave my desk. Panic and mayhem. |
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chris |
:-) |
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chris |
rhcl: oh yeah we get a lot .. that one last night was the biggest jolt i have felt in a while tho, i sleep through most of them |
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wizzyrea |
chris: chillens get woken up/excited/upset? |
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richard |
it woke me up but i didn't realise it was an earthquake |
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chris |
wizzyrea: kahu said and i quote "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!" |
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chris |
and went back to sleep |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
cute |
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chris |
he hates being woken up |
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rhcl |
Somebody needs to set up munin to track earthquakes, like @felt earthquake NZ |
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chris |
you can follow geonet on twitter :) |
| 20:50 |
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rhcl |
too much work, I have yet to get too enthused about twitter. |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
ah. i've found that it's hard until you find a client you like |
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wizzyrea |
b/c web twitter is meh |
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rhcl |
nobody ever says anything I think is important |
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chris |
you arent following me then |
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chris |
har de ha ha |
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rhcl |
Oh, well, then I'll fire up my twitterer thing right now. |
| 20:52 |
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rhcl |
Now, were'd that d* think go to? Do you use a web browser? |
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rhcl |
As much as I'm really into Linux and tech stuff, most people expect me to be really Web 2.0, but I'm not at all. |
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wizzyrea |
twhirl is my favorite client atm, you can do identi.ca and twitter on it simultaneously. but a lot of people like tweetdeck. |
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rhcl |
I was following Richard Stallman for a couple of weeks, and he never said a word. |
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|Lupin| |
hi again |
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|Lupin| |
... and good night |
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