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http://www.mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
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thats cool |
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Hi, brendan |
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brendan |
heya pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Good night |
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Amit |
hi chris brendan |
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Amit |
good morning #koha |
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chris_n2 |
g'morning Amit_G && g'night as well :-) |
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Amit_G |
hi nicomo, magnusenger |
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nicomo |
hi Amit_G and #koha |
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magnusenger |
hi Amit_G and everyone! |
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Ropuch |
Morning |
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kf |
good morning |
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nicomo |
morning kf |
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hi nicomo |
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Amit_G |
hi kf |
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hdl_laptop |
hello |
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Amit_G |
hi hdl |
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|Lupin| |
good morning koha |
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kf |
guten morgen lupin :) |
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|Lupin| |
hallo kf :) |
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chris |
morning europe |
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kf |
good evening nz ;) |
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hi chris |
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Amit_G |
hi paul_p |
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Amit_G |
hi lupin |
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|Lupin| |
hey Amit_G |
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Amit_G |
heya lupin |
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|Lupin| |
does someone know a digital library that wold be witten in Perl, server-oriented with a web interface as Koha ? |
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|Lupin| |
cause those I found (partly thanks to you all) are often in Java or have a GUI client, which makes them not as interesting as things that wold be similar to Koha in their web-based interface |
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Amit_G |
anyone done biblios.net with koha |
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hdl_laptop |
LL did |
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Amit_G |
i have integrated with koha |
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Amit_G |
but there is a problem |
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magnusenger |
does anyone know what the state of Koha in Russia(n) is? Use? Translation? |
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gmcharlt |
magnusenger: Russian and Ukrainian translations were contributed a few months ago |
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magnusenger |
gmcharlt: cool, know anything about libraries using it? |
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gmcharlt |
magnusenger: I think at least one, but not sure who |
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magnusenger |
ok, thanks |
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Amit_G |
galen: have a nice weekend |
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Amit_G |
i m leaving |
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gmcharlt |
Amit_G: you too |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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gmcharlt |
hi chris_n |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt, I didn't get you pinged yesterday afternoon..ended up taking the afternoon off, and working into the wee hours (some things never change...) |
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schuster |
Morning all... |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: heh |
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gmcharlt |
hi schuster |
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schuster |
I need to run a report showing all the holds in the system and if I can get the date the hold was placed. |
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jdavidb |
Mornin', schuster. |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: reseves.reservedate is when the hold was placed |
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schuster |
So "reserves" are the same as Holds - just checking terminology. |
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gmcharlt |
yep |
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schuster |
ok that helps. I'm trying to start using holds again with the new hold features from NEKLS and need to probably clean out some old holds. |
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jdavidb |
You could always brute-force it-- "TRUNCATE reserves;" :P |
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* jdavidb |
listens for the screams. |
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schuster |
Should have thought of that earlier this summer when I had someone go in and delete them all manually... That comes from Legacy ILS's where you never knew what would happen if you monkey'd with stuff under the hood. |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: well, even with OSS ILSs it's still a good idea to ask before randomly truncating tables :) |
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jdavidb |
It still can be hazardous, surely. But that one, in particular, would be relatively safe; there aren't many downline table cascades there. |
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jdavidb |
It's more-often a question of "do you really want that?" than "What will this break?" Picking at the code, you can answer the second question. |
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schuster |
I try not to pick code - I'm still learning how it all works together! |
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schuster |
so when I do select count(*) from reserves I get 62 - but when I do select branchcode from reserves it gives me 19 - ??? |
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jdavidb |
Hm...that is odd. Is that the whole query you're using? |
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jdavidb |
Morning, Owen. :) |
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schuster |
Ah I had a group by on there that might be it let me stretch my mind some more... Not enough coffee yet. |
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jdavidb |
Yes, that might do it. |
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schuster |
Yep it was the group by... whew. |
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jdavidb |
Cool. :) |
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schuster |
but why when I group would it eliminate some? They are in the record? how else could I sort them by branch? |
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schuster |
Oh order by - see I'm still an sql newbie. |
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schuster |
I'm very proud of myself I just did a join...;) |
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* owen |
lols at the logs from last night: "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!" |
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* gmcharlt |
nominates Kahu for Koha mascot |
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jwagner |
gmcharlt, does that mean Kahu has to wear one of those purple alien t-shirts at all times? |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: no, that would be cruel ;) I'm sure we can come up with cuter Koha toddler-wear |
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owen |
The stop words area of system administration only applies if noZebra is on, right? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: technically, you can use them with Zebra, but there's no point |
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owen |
I wondered if we should hide that link when noZebra was on. |
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gmcharlt |
owen: would make sense, or at least give an indication that it isn't applicable |
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owen |
I guess it depends whether your "technically" is widely applicable enough to leave it? |
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gmcharlt |
IMO- if you're using Zebra, you don't need and shouldn't configure stopwords, so I'm in favor of hiding or de-emphasizing it |
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* owen |
notices Bugzilla is still configured to suggest emailing "gmc liblime.com" |
| 13:36 |
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gmcharlt |
owen: good catch - I'll ping Clay about it |
| 13:43 |
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owen |
"Library Transfer Limits?" I hadn't noticed that one before. |
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schuster |
Well where have you been? That's been around since 3.0 but I've never figured out what it does! kidding on the first part... |
| 14:22 |
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kf |
reserves question: my holds queue is filled with all my holds, that looks right, but my holds to pull report stays empt |
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kf |
y |
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kf |
am i missing something? I have put items on hold which are on shelf |
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owen |
kf, I noticed the same thing yesterday. We always use the holds queue report, so I hadn't noticed the other one wasn't working. |
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kf |
I thought the holds queue was all holds in the library - including holds on books that are checked out |
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kf |
so whats the difference between holds to pull and holds queue? |
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kf |
owen: and thx for fixing my display bug! |
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owen |
Holds queue shouldn't include holds on things that are checked out |
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owen |
As far as I know there's not a report to show you *all* holds, available or not. |
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owen |
We used to do a custom report on holds which hadn't been fulfilled for a certain amount of time, but that was in 2.x |
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kf |
thx |
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kf |
I think we can do it the same way. its just important to have a list of items you need to pull |
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kf |
bug report for holds to pull needed? |
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owen |
Unless someone can explain to us what we're doing wrong. I posted a message to the Koha list yesterday mentioning this issue, but no responses to that either. |
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kf |
oh, I have not seen your mail |
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kf |
ah, I will test it a little bit more, perhaps I can find a way to get an item listed there |
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owen |
kf: it was "Re: A few Koha holds questions" yesterday |
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kf |
owen: thx |
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kf |
owen: we are testing transfers and reserves today, wanted to work on that for weeks... perhaps i can find something out |
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owen |
transfers and holds are still pretty buggy, unfortunately. |
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kf |
we need reserves - hope its not too buggy to be used |
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owen |
No, not at all |
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owen |
We use them a lot at my library |
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owen |
But there seem to be some quirks with regard to when and how transfers are triggered. |
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owen |
Nothing that prevents us from managing. |
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kf |
ah ok |
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nengard |
hi all |
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nengard |
I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl |
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nengard |
I was thinking Biblio.pm |
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schuster |
Owen - I have noticed that lately as well mainly with the items when they are returned to the loaning campus - they are not switching back to the current location library - I havn't had a chance to "test" that though. |
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schuster |
Dealing with transfers that is. |
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wizzyrea |
yes there's a giant bug around transfers |
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wizzyrea |
1s I"ll find it |
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wizzyrea |
bug 3399 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out' |
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jwagner |
Hi Jesse |
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nengard |
ahh pianohacker will know how to help me :) |
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schuster |
wizzyrea - looks like a vicious cycle! |
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nengard |
I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl |
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schuster |
Yes he is a smart cookie that pianohacker - and a pretty good piano player too! |
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pianohacker |
Oh dear |
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chris_n |
@translate "Spine Label" EN to FR |
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munin |
chris_n: Error: 'Spine Label' is not a valid from language. Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Romanian, Hindi, Dutch, Korean, Danish, Bulgarian, Chinese_traditional, French, Norwegian, Russian, Croatian, Finnish, Greek, English, Italian, Portuguese, Czech, Japanese, German, Spanish, Polish, and Arabic |
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chris_n |
@translate French "Spine Label" |
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munin |
chris_n: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results. |
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chris_n |
@translate English French "Spine Label" |
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munin |
chris_n: Spine Label |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
munin++ for being a translator as well |
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munin |
chris_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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pianohacker |
nahuel_: What's going on? |
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pianohacker |
Also, hi |
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chris_n |
hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Hi, chris_n |
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* chris_n |
wonders if munin's French is really that good |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop about? |
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hdl_laptop |
yes |
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chris_n |
does 'Spine Label' say the same in French? |
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hdl_laptop |
No. |
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hdl_laptop |
Etiquettes de cottes |
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* chris_n |
did not think so :-) |
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hdl_laptop |
Etiquettes de cotes |
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chris_n |
tnx |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: I think the Best bet be C4::Output |
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hdl_laptop |
If it is about outputing something |
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nengard |
thanks hdl_laptop that was my second option :) |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: what was your first ? |
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nengard |
Biblio.pm |
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hdl_laptop |
Is it About Biblio data ? |
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nengard |
it's pulling all of the lists a biblio can be found in to print on the detail pages |
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nengard |
so yes |
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nengard |
but it's also about output |
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nengard |
which is why i was confused on which to pick |
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pianohacker |
nengard: lists as in virtualshelves? |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
but since it was for the biblio detail page i didn't think it belonged with the virtualsehelves stuff |
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nengard |
so many choices!!! :) |
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pianohacker |
It's dealing mostly with virtualshelves, though. My vote would be for C4::VirtualShelves, whatever it's worth :) |
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nengard |
So - in short it's mostly up to me as long as I can make the right argument for it? :) |
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pianohacker |
Essentially |
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nengard |
okey dokey |
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owen |
Maybe pianohacker or some other smart Perlish person could help me with branch_transfer_limits.pl? |
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owen |
Right now there is a branchcode_loop which displays the table header with the branch codes |
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owen |
Because it's outside the ccodes loop you can't repeat the header for each set of ccodes |
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owen |
If you've scrolled to the bottom of the page you can't see the table header anymore |
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owen |
But I'm not sure how to get branchcode_loop nested properly inside codes_loop so it can repeat |
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pianohacker |
It doesn't have to be |
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pianohacker |
Since the branchcode_loop is global, you can reference it inside ccode_loop |
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owen |
It doesn't work when I move the <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="branchcode_loop" --> inside <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="codes_loop" --> |
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pianohacker |
What does it do? |
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owen |
I get no output from branchcode_loop |
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pianohacker |
Would it be possible to pastebin exactly what you get from View Source? It's possible the template and firefox are interacting in strange ways |
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owen |
There's really nothing to see... There is simply no output from branchcode_loop |
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owen |
<!-- branchcode_loop begins here --> |
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owen |
<!-- branchcode loop ends here --> |
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pianohacker |
Let me take a look at the Perl. It really shouldn't be doing that |
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kf |
@translate German English "Spine" |
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munin |
kf: Spine |
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chris_n |
munin needs to got to a librarian linguistics class |
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munin |
chris_n: I suck |
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chris_n |
no munin, you just need to be enlightened about a few things... ;-) |
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pianohacker |
owen: I found a way to do it (kind of a cheat) |
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pianohacker |
use to_branch_loop instead of branchcode_loop |
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schuster |
munin must be American it doesn't know another language... like most other Americans... |
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munin |
schuster: downloading the Perl source |
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owen |
pianohacker: that makes sense. do you know why using branchcode_loop wasn't working, out of curiosity? |
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pianohacker |
I don't have the faintest idea. |
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owen |
Thanks for taking a look! |
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owen |
pianohacker++ |
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pianohacker |
That really needs a half-karma, for half-solving the problem, but thank you |
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Sharon |
howdy. |
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Sharon |
Any harm in leaving KohaAdminEmailAddress blank? Will koha pull email addresses from the Branches table? |
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chris_n |
hi Sharon |
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joetho |
sharon |
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joetho |
i will try that on my test server if you try it on yours. |
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joetho |
with and w/o independent branches turned on. |
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joetho |
speaking of which, I don't recall ever talking about OD email notices from a test server. |
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joetho |
Hmmm. |
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wizzyrea |
holy moly, can you imagine |
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wizzyrea |
with old data |
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wizzyrea |
everybody would get OD notices |
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joetho |
there are a whole lot of OD items in mine |
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99.9% sure that email is off for our test server |
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tell Sharon to turn it back on |
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at 4:59 this afternoon |
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joetho |
So testing there won't work, hopefully. |
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I can try it on our production server- that admin mail goes to me and there is never any. |
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Sharon |
Question: shouldn't lifting the debarrment on a patron immediately allow them to check out materials regardless of their fine level? |
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owen |
debarrment is separate from blocks related to fines, though |
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owen |
debarrment is a simple flag on the account |
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owen |
blocks related to fines are governed by other rules |
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owen |
Of course that doesn't answer the "should" question in the abstract sense |
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Sharon |
So is there a way to lift a fine debarment without removing the fines. |
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Sharon |
other than putting in a bogus manual payment/invoice. |
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wizzyrea |
was that a philosophical choice, i.e. working as intended, or something that just was overlooked? |
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owen |
I'm not sure, because we don't use fines... In fact maybe I'm wrong altogether. I can't find where the fines threshold is set |
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wizzyrea |
from our testing it would appear that you are correct |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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owen |
But are your patrons being debarred because a cron job is looking at their fines, or are checkouts being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels? |
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chris |
morning |
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chris |
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owen |
What would be the purpose of "select all" on the library transfer limits page? (admin/branch_transfer_limits.pl) |
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owen |
Wouldn't that be in effect independentbranches? |
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cait |
perhaps make it easier to configure if you just want to deselect a few |
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owen |
Hmm... maybe. But if your library has 45 collection codes like we do it seems impractical to have it check all for each collection code set |
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* chris_n |
cheers as the installer passes tests on both new and upgrade installs of new labels stuff |
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cait |
:) |
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chris_n |
chris about? |
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chris |
yep |
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chris_n |
chris: can I gain any mileage (kilometerage) by formating patches against the origin which is the current HEAD rather than against origin/3.0.x which is what I developed over? |
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* chris_n |
hopes that makes sense.. 8-S |
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chris |
yep, if you do that they will be able to go into 3.2 |
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chris |
so what i would do |
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chris |
is create a branch off origin/master |
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chris |
cherry-pick your commits to it |
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chris |
and format you patches therer |
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chris_n |
k |
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wizzyrea |
owen: checkouts are being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, drama here *eyeroll* |
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owen |
wizzyrea: Where did you set the fine level which is blocking the checkout? |
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wizzyrea |
15 bucks |
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chris |
yeah the 2 things work independently |
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wizzyrea |
(I know... why would you want to temporarily lift a debarment for a patron who owes over 15 bucks in fines) |
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chris |
patrons can be debarred for all sorts of reasons |
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owen |
I mean where did you enter the $15 value? I don't even know what part of Koha sets that |
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chris |
i think there is a syspref that allows you to override the fines block tho |
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wizzyrea |
Yea, but we want that |
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pianohackr|work |
noissuescharge, I think is the syspref |
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wizzyrea |
PHW: yea, I think that's right |
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owen |
Thank you pianohackr|work. Of course I was searching for a "fine" pref :| |
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pianohackr|work |
That would be too easy |
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wizzyrea |
chris: so, concieveably, you could have the following situation: A patron gets debarred for excessive overdues, and also for fines. You can lift the debarment for overdues, but the fines debarment stands |
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chris |
exactly |
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chris |
or they are debarred cos they punch some kid |
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chris |
and have no fines |
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owen |
There seems to be everything but a fines override syspref |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
there debarred is just a flag |
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owen |
AllowHoldPolicyOverride, AllowNotForLoanOverride, AllowRenewalLimitOverride |
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chris |
wizzyrea: you dont need to debarr someone for massive fines, cos the noissuecharge stops them issuing |
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wizzyrea |
so... is that a philosophical feature omission or an accidental one |
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pianohackr|work |
I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon |
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wizzyrea |
PHW: you are always saving our bacon |
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owen |
Don't save it up too long, it doesn't keep! |
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wizzyrea |
oh, we crumble it up and put it in mayonnaise and put it with kansas summer tomatoes |
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chris |
basically debar is for when there isnt another way ... if that makes sense |
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wizzyrea |
chris, sure that makes sense |
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wizzyrea |
chris: also though, they want to be able to temporarily override the fines debarment (say, a patron lost an expensive book and is making payments or somesuch) |
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chris |
yep, you wouldnt set the debarment in that case, you would let the noissuescharge catch them, and then use jesses new fines limit override |
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chris |
if you set the debar flagged, you would have go unset that, and then still use the fines limit override |
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pianohackr|work |
Also, that same code will allow you (if you're very very nitpicky) to not give fines limit override permissions to your circ clerks, give them to a circ manager, and use a temporary override login to override fine limits |
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chris |
debar flag is for when you want to stop someone, who otherwise koha would let borrow |
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* owen |
read "circ clerks" as "circle jerks." Must be time to go home! |
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owen |
have a good weekend everyone! |
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pianohackr|work |
Gah |
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pianohackr|work |
Get back here |
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pianohackr|work |
owen-- |
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rhcl |
bacon http://www.kansascity.com/938/[…]lery/1316725.html# |
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pianohackr|work |
bacon http://xkcd.com/418/ |
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wizzyrea |
chris: right... our people seem to think that it's confusticating |
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wizzyrea |
but I see what you mean |
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chris |
*nod* |
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chris |
seriously ppl do use it cos the kid punched another kid in the face etc |
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chris |
random things like that |
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chris |
not for excessive fines |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: is it possible to send some more patches for biblibre-integration ? |
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hdl_laptop |
Woulr it be possible for me to push on it ? |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: go for it |
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hdl_laptop |
ok. |
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hdl_laptop |
thanks |
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wizzyrea |
chris I can only imagine what people get debarred for. I"m sure sharon has some good stories about kicking people out of the library. |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: that is, sending patches, not pushing, though I can do a pull request from you if you want |
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Sharon |
fighting in the parking lot |
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hdl_laptop |
Not really wanting it. |
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Sharon |
i had to debar the boyfriend of one of my employees |
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hdl_laptop |
git send-email would be better. |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: ok |
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nengard |
you guys are in scary libraries ;) |
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gmcharlt |
Sharon: ever have to debar any debarred lawyers? |
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Sharon |
lol nope. |
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* wizzyrea |
plays the rimshot |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: regarding bug 1001 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1001 normal, P2, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, CLOSED LATER, Issuing Rules Error |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: rather, bug 1003 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, P2, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view |
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gmcharlt |
perhaps - "this bib is in the following lists..." |
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nengard |
that's even more wordy than what i had :) |
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nengard |
I had 'List(s) this item appear in:" |
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nengard |
I also considered "List(s):" |
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gmcharlt |
but it flows better :) |
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nengard |
any other suggestions from others? |
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* nengard |
shakes fist at gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
Sharon or wizzyrea any preference from those in a library? |
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cait |
on |
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cait |
in lists? |
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gmcharlt |
"Lists found in"? |
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nengard |
gmcharlt that works |
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Sharon |
let me catch up, just a second |
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wizzyrea |
hrm |
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chris |
can just say i hate the word lists, its way to ambigious |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
you can say it - but i think it's meant to be ambigious |
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chris |
what lists |
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nengard |
yes |
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brendan |
chris it's saturday morning for you -- you're not allowed to say anything |
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chris |
which lists |
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* nengard |
laughs at brendan |
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chris |
for someone new to koha, id be all, wtf lists are you talking about? my list of reports? my holds queue list? what?? |
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nengard |
what would you call it instead? |
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nengard |
not that I'm saying we should change it :) |
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chris |
it needs another word |
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chris |
or words |
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pianohackr|work |
find -name '*.tmpl' | xargs sed -i -e 's/Lists/Computer-managed lists of books which can be used to organize them/g' |
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pianohackr|work |
Howzabout that? |
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nengard |
we're getting off track - so right now I'm using "List(s) found in" |
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nengard |
are enough people okay with that? |
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wizzyrea |
lol STAY ON TARGET |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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wizzyrea |
Related Lists? |
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nengard |
they're not related ... necessarily |
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nengard |
what if your list is of favorite books |
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wizzyrea |
well... they're related because they have the same book in common |
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wizzyrea |
item |
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wizzyrea |
bib |
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wizzyrea |
thignie |
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nengard |
hey - what does amazon say? |
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nengard |
off to check :) |
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nengard |
btw i love how bibliocommons does it: http://opl.bibliocommons.com/i[…]w/669044001_bears |
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nengard |
but we don't have room for another column |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: but does suggest wording - "Lists that include this title" :) |
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chris |
see |
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nengard |
it's long - but i'd use it if you're all okay with it |
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chris |
they say collection in one place |
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chris |
and lists in another |
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chris |
as translation manager ... that sux |
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nengard |
cause they're two diff things - aren't they? |
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nengard |
they have add to MY COLLECTION and SAVE TO A LIST |
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chris |
isnt a collection just a private list |
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nengard |
no clue :) might be like LibraryThing |
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nengard |
or a private list |
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chris |
collections is better than lists i think |
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nengard |
dinner is ready - or so the barking tells me :) I'll use the final one we came up with --- Chris but then we connect to collection codes |
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wizzyrea |
listmania |
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gmcharlt |
which would be confusing |
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chris |
what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? |
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* nengard |
eating dinner |
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wizzyrea |
I was thinking something about collections too but... collection has way too many contexts |
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chris |
ditto lists |
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wizzyrea |
engrish... is... failing... me... |
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wizzyrea |
may.... require... beer... |
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* brendan |
enjoys watching open source discussions sometimes -- that was just an interesting one :) |
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chris |
oh its not finished :-) |
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chris |
ill live with the word lists, but i still contend its way hard to translate |
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brendan |
*agreed* |
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chris |
cos its way way too ambigious |
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chris |
it needs context |
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brendan |
I'm not a fan of cart |
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chris |
yeah, thats all a bit ecommercey |
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wizzyrea |
perhaps another language could inform our english translation |
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chris |
lemme look |
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* wizzyrea |
likes grasping for straws |
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chris |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ |
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chris |
you can change that to different languages down the bottom |
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chris |
most have gone for literal translations |
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chris |
thus carrying the confusion forward :-) |
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pianohackr|work |
What about the old standby Virtual Shelves? |
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chris |
09:07 < chris> what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
im sure there must have been some reason we changed? |
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wizzyrea |
ok... what if the users make lists |
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wizzyrea |
librarians make virtual shelves |
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chris |
that might work |
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pianohackr|work |
chris: right, missed that |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, the context of list for a *patron* is "it's a list of stuff I want to remember" |
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chris |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
for a librarian it's the virtual equiv. of (example) the endcap of a shelf |
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pianohackr|work |
I think the benefits of that difference might actually outweigh any confusion caused by it |
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wizzyrea |
highlighted items |
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chris |
another possibility |
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chris |
would be a tooltip |
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wizzyrea |
true, a mouseover explanation might be useful |
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chris |
*nod* |
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chris |
that actually might be the easiest solution |
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* nengard |
back |
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wizzyrea |
example: here's a patron who made a public list, it's very amazon-y http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…].pl?viewshelf=165 |
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wizzyrea |
kind of like a reading wishlist? |
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chris |
yeah |
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wizzyrea |
maybe it would be better to do something like the following: create the lists from the tags |
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wizzyrea |
why have two functions? |
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chris |
hmmm |
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chris |
from the carts? |
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chris |
you mean ? |
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wizzyrea |
I'm thinking we already have public and private tags |
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wizzyrea |
and public and private lists |
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wizzyrea |
why not consolidate into just tags, and have a display that shows, in brief format like the lists display, all items tagged alike |
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wizzyrea |
so RAZ's scifi list would be tagged RAZ_SCIFI |
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wizzyrea |
or something |
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chris |
oh, hmm might make the tag cloud messy |
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chris |
tho does anyone ever use them? |
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chris |
(i know i dont) |
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wizzyrea |
true... but... tag clouds are supposed to be messy, imo |
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chris |
interesting idea, i quite like it |
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Sharon |
our children's librarians are making an effort to use the tagging to share storytime titles with each other |
| 21:34 |
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chris |
well seems ppl are already doing it too :) |
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chris |
as a parent, anything to make more storytimes is great by me :) |
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chris |
specially if the library has a cafe like WCL |
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chris |
here ... read my kid a story... ill be over there drinking coffee kthxbye |
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nengard |
patch submitted for bug 1003 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view |
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gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
couldn't have done it without chris and pianohacker! |
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wizzyrea |
but think about that combination, I will happily do a mock up of it, I think it might be an improvement of lists/tags |
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wizzyrea |
but maybe not |
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chris |
worth doing a mockup wizzyrea, we can whack up a quick prototype .. see if it flies |
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gmcharlt |
only if you whack it from the bottom, not the top |
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chris |
heh |
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nengard |
wizzyrea and chris I'm reading back - but I think we still need both |
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nengard |
tags and lists |
| 21:46 |
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nengard |
because so many peopel don't get tags |
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chris |
i think this last week is one of the most patchiest weeks ever |
| 21:46 |
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nengard |
also - librarything started out with just tags and added collections cause of popular demand |
| 21:46 |
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chris |
nengard: maybe just the tooltip mouseover then |
| 21:47 |
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nengard |
even flickr has both - sets and tags ... it's just the way things are :) |
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chris |
sets |
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chris |
i like sets better than lists |
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chris |
:) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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chris |
but im actually leaning towards just having contextual help, like a mouseover so ppl know what it is |
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nengard |
know what what is? lists or tags? |
| 21:48 |
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nengard |
or both? |
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chris |
both |
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chris |
everything in fact |
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nengard |
hmmm |
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chris |
:) |
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nengard |
seems a bit overkill |
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chris |
well if we cant find a word that isnt ambigious, seems the next best thing |
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chris |
or we could just have help on the opac too |
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chris |
but no one ever clicks on that irl |
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chris |
or at least not the people who need help :) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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pianohackr|work |
sets++ |
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chris |
ok, time for gymnastics |
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chris |
have good weekends all |
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nengard |
i'm logging off too |
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nengard |
time to try and relax a bit |
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nengard |
ttyl |
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hdl_laptop |
going to bed |
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|Lupin| |
goodnight everybody |
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pianohackr|work |
Hello, Jane |
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jwagner |
Hi Jesse |
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jwagner |
Working late :-( |
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pianohackr|work |
How's the wonderful world of testing going? |
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jwagner |
Grrrrrrr |
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pianohackr|work |
Bye for now |
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