Time Nick Message 21:12 |Lupin| ... and good night 21:08 |Lupin| hi again 20:57 rhcl I was following Richard Stallman for a couple of weeks, and he never said a word. 20:53 wizzyrea twhirl is my favorite client atm, you can do identi.ca and twitter on it simultaneously. but a lot of people like tweetdeck. 20:53 rhcl As much as I'm really into Linux and tech stuff, most people expect me to be really Web 2.0, but I'm not at all. 20:52 rhcl Now, were'd that d* think go to? Do you use a web browser? 20:52 rhcl Oh, well, then I'll fire up my twitterer thing right now. 20:51 chris har de ha ha 20:51 chris you arent following me then 20:51 rhcl nobody ever says anything I think is important 20:51 wizzyrea b/c web twitter is meh 20:50 wizzyrea ah. i've found that it's hard until you find a client you like 20:50 rhcl too much work, I have yet to get too enthused about twitter. 20:50 chris you can follow geonet on twitter :) 20:49 rhcl Somebody needs to set up munin to track earthquakes, like @felt earthquake NZ 20:49 chris he hates being woken up 20:49 wizzyrea cute 20:49 wizzyrea lol 20:49 chris and went back to sleep 20:49 chris wizzyrea: kahu said and i quote "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!" 20:48 richard it woke me up but i didn't realise it was an earthquake 20:48 wizzyrea chris: chillens get woken up/excited/upset? 20:48 chris rhcl: oh yeah we get a lot .. that one last night was the biggest jolt i have felt in a while tho, i sleep through most of them 20:47 chris :-) 20:47 wizzyrea it was just a new (for them) message. This is what I get when I leave my desk. Panic and mayhem. 20:46 wizzyrea do. not. panic. our situation was normal email operation 20:46 wizzyrea ok... the mail thing... lol 20:45 rhcl The Seismicity Map at the link above is pretty impressive. 20:45 chris on that map 20:45 chris we both live at about the top tip of the star 20:44 chris richard lives about 1 km away from me 20:43 rhcl chris was talking about it. How close were you to it? 20:42 richard i wondered what woke me up last night - http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/3145159g-maps.html 20:40 chris hiya richard 20:40 richard hi 20:39 chris that mail thing could be causing a bunch of mess 20:33 chris hmm yeah 20:25 pianohacker Sharon: It's probably related to the mail problems mentioned on the Koha list 20:25 owen See y'all later 20:23 Sharon well then I'll ask wizzyrea about it. Thanks! It's something new and it's clogging inboxes (or so I'm told) 20:23 pianohacker Sharon: That sounds like something generated by your mail server, rather than Koha itself 20:19 Sharon Question - is this koha-generated email something new. The subject line is: Delayed Mail (still being retried) 20:14 Sharon I think we whined until all itypes displayed in our catalog pull from the item record, not the bib. 20:13 Sharon owen we have a problem with bib level item types because in a consortium, libraries choose slightly different itypes (newbook v. book) for example 20:11 owen Okay. 20:10 gmcharlt item-type level holds no longer really exist; when they get rebuilt (stronger, and better!), can add back then 20:10 gmcharlt owen: the former 20:10 owen Better not to show the item type column at all, or to show the item-level item type only for waiting holds? 20:09 owen The display of holds on circulation.pl and moremember.pl includes a column for item type. Strictly speaking you can either display the bib-level item type or the item-level item type for *allocated* items. 20:00 owen Although, chatzilla++ for offering a way to link directly to a bugzilla database from "Bug XXX" mentions 20:00 owen Especially since I never seem to configure chatzilla to link to bugs properly on the first try 19:59 pianohacker gmcharlt++ (that bug lookup feature of munin is very helpful) 19:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt 19:57 Sharon owen bug 3536 19:53 pianohacker Good night 19:53 cait good night everybody :) 19:52 pianohacker See ya 19:52 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:52 chris <time>7.45<bus>4<whiplash>yes</whiplash></bus></time> 19:51 pianohacker It is fun. Hopefully my ever-so-slight abuse of it won't raise too many developer hackles :) 19:51 owen Hmf. I was about to say "that's not an enhancement" but I see that the the patch isn't really a fix. 19:50 chris i actaully like yaml 19:50 pianohacker Oh my. The data files for the new sysprefs editor are almost there; they're html in yaml in an html-template 19:49 chris i catalogue xml in yaml in xml in sgml in xml 19:49 Sharon give me a minute, I'll go look 19:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions 19:49 cait owen: perhaps @bug 3514 19:48 pianohacker But he's free to use whatever convoluted cataloging process he desires 19:48 pianohacker xml-- 19:48 Sharon I think so 19:48 gmcharlt err, make that Koha is not (yet) the digital repo... 19:47 gmcharlt Koha is (not yet) the digital repository you are looking for 19:46 chris im glad pianohacker answered the xml cataloguing question, cos i didnt know where to start 19:44 owen Sharon: Is there a bug report for the transfers/holds problem you mentioned? 19:27 gmcharlt schuster: can't teach RDA yet, but you could go on and on about the debate ;) 19:27 schuster Gotta go sort some boxes... 19:26 schuster How can you teach it if there isn't any practicing by almost nobody on how to! 19:26 owen Holdses. 19:26 * owen realizes the checkout page has said "Holds(s)" probably since the release of Koha 3. 19:26 gmcharlt schuster: it's was more a case that the the professor doesn't want to teach the controversy just yet ;) 19:25 schuster that PS was for gmcharlt 19:25 Sharon cool. I like that there's going to be consistency. 19:25 schuster PS loved sitting in on your Cat class yesterday on facebook - funny... RDA - did they know what they were talking about or just throwing out something they had heard of... I'm still waiting to see what they do with RDA! 19:25 owen Sharon: That should still work. 19:25 pianohacker Sharon: She'll have to change the JavaScript, but I'd imagine it would still be possible 19:24 Sharon jquery 19:24 Sharon she's using whatever you shared at kohacon 19:24 schuster Great thanks gmcharlt - that's a big piece of code that I think librarians will love. 19:24 owen Sharon: Is she using Javascript to do that right now? 19:23 gmcharlt definitely will make it in for feature freeze 19:23 gmcharlt schuster: it's submitted, will be integrated 19:23 Sharon owen on 3106, will Liz still be able to hide the check in feature? It doesn't trigger transfers and holds correctly (yet) 19:23 cait perhaps search for asignee kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com 19:23 schuster chris_n good luck SUN burns XP... ;) 19:23 schuster Has anyone seen the ISBN 13 normalization type stuff come through? 10 digit and 13 digit searching interchangable - so that when you search a 13 it converts it to 10 to make sure you don't already have that book? 19:22 * chris_n tries to hammer xp pro into submission on sun vbox :-P 19:22 schuster Cool thanks pianohacker. 19:21 joetho and if I know where to start looking 19:21 joetho git.koha works kind of OK for me but only if I am looking for something very specific 19:21 pianohacker schuster: Mix of submitted, complete, and unfinished 19:21 schuster AH! - I have not looked at that lately are those enhancements to be done or complete can you search it easily? 19:21 chris_n EHLO 19:20 Sharon schuster PTFS put a lot of there enhancements in bugzilla 19:19 schuster I usually check git.koha.org to see the activity but sometimes those criptic programmer notes don't mean anything to me. 19:19 schuster ;) - so is there a list of PTFS enhancements? 19:18 chris git grep schuster 19:18 chris i bet i could find out, but it serves no purpose :) 19:18 schuster Easy to determine when someone adds, hard to find when someone removes! 19:18 schuster Lots of things got killed between 2.2.9... rrrr yes they even... too bad the code is gone no signature! 19:17 chris they even 19:17 chris and the need a kicking 19:17 schuster That isn't a column in my borrowers table. 19:17 cait I like the new country columns - my library asked for it and next day I got them :) 19:17 chris someone killed it between 2.2.9 and now 19:16 chris was a timestamp 19:16 pianohacker We might have to do something about the borrowers table. With the recent PTFS enhancements, we're getting into the 60-column range 19:16 chris last_modified 19:16 chris it did 19:16 schuster I see another enhancement request... 19:15 schuster drat... 19:14 cait pianohacker: thx for exlaining :) 19:12 pianohacker To be honest, I think some corporate legal battles might actually make more sense if conducted by first-grader rules... 19:12 pianohacker owen: Haha, nice 19:11 owen for you pianohacker: http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2009/08/27/boll/index.html 19:10 pianohacker Oh, just an American thing (we all said the same thing at the same time, so jinx) 19:10 cait hm? 19:10 pianohacker jinx^3 19:09 cait when its turned on 19:09 pianohacker cait: If they're enabled 19:09 joetho if I had 53000 patrons I might have that log turned off. 19:09 joetho ahhh 19:09 cait isnt there are borrowers logß 19:08 owen I'm surprised the borrowers table doesn't have a timestamp column 19:08 pianohacker I don't think there's a modification time on borrower records, unfortunately 19:08 joetho duedue date 19:06 schuster Is there a way to see the last time a borrower record was updated? We just did a student load and now I want to identify the students that didn't get updated as part of that load. 53,000 students and probably 6,000 needles in a haystack. 19:05 chris bbiab 19:05 chris right time to feed kahu some breakfast 19:05 chris ohh sweet 19:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3106 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, checked out list should look the same in all places 19:03 * owen is working on Bug 3106 hoping it can be ready for 3.2 19:02 cait too 19:02 cait not a native speaker - but our old systems uses that to 19:02 chris ditto 19:01 cait due date 19:01 gmcharlt "due date" 19:01 owen Okay, quick poll everyone: "due date" or "date due" 19:01 owen That is good news 18:59 chris so any improvements on it benefits both projects, and i know there is stuff planned 18:59 chris the good news is, the sip2/ncip toolkit is something both Evegreen and Koha use 18:59 cait I mourn for recall and hourly loans 18:58 chris jerks-- 18:58 munin cait: Karma for "WALDO" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 18:58 cait @karma WALDO 18:58 chris :-) 18:58 chris *hiss* *hiss* 18:57 chris reeeoooowww 18:57 owen I would be very happy to accept donation of NCIP functionality to Koha. Maybe WALDO--oh wait, never mind. 18:57 chris there is work on gettng the NCIP support up and going 18:56 joetho I don't need it for much. 18:56 cait but sip2 is not so bad 18:56 chris for now 18:56 joetho so, with koha, it's sip2 or NUTTIN. 18:55 joetho frown at owen 18:55 joetho owen gives me bad news today 18:55 cait its a German vendor 18:55 owen No NCIP 18:55 cait its their self checkout machine thats loses connection - dont know what the problem is 18:54 joetho owen 18:54 cait but we did many test cases rest works fine 18:54 joetho yikes 18:54 cait renewals seem to have some problems and when checking in a barcode not known to koha self checkout crashes 18:54 joetho what vendor, cait ? 18:54 joetho fat chance with ncip? 18:53 cait we just tested sip2 with our vendor 18:53 joetho but which one is more reliable? 18:53 owen Fat chance 18:53 joetho how about NCIP? 18:52 joetho Thanks 18:52 joetho Koha 3 supports SIP2, correct? Why yes, Joe, it does. 18:51 chris cos i couldnt reproduce :) 18:51 chris ahh good 18:47 owen I didn't realize it worked by pre-populating the "specify due date" field. 18:47 owen chris: never mind, I must have been testing the globalDueDate pref. I had a date entered there. 18:46 * chris tries 18:46 chris havent seen that 18:45 owen when I first load the circ page it pre-loads a date in the "specify due date" field. Even if I clear it before checking out I still get a warning that the date is invalid 18:43 owen Anyone else notice a problem with HEAD where it won't forget your "specify due date" date? 18:35 pianohacker Hehe, poor marc, at liblime 18:34 joetho marc robinson? from denton, tx? 18:32 pianohacker Ack 18:32 cait I think they would use something even more complicated than marc ;) 18:26 pianohacker One would hope they'd gotten beyond MARC, at least 18:26 cait yes 18:24 pianohacker cait: From discworld? 18:23 pianohacker Probably just a generic 500. 18:22 cait or the invisible university 18:19 owen Only at Hogwarts. 18:18 rhcl Is there a marc field for identifying books that might have environmental concerns? 18:18 joetho yikes 18:18 owen Right 18:18 joetho like the toys 18:18 joetho ahhh 18:18 owen joetho: it's not the age of the book that is a concern. The law was prompted by issues with imports 18:18 joetho is there any lead in any of your css customizations? 18:18 rhcl of Policy should be released within the next several weeks." 18:18 rhcl According to our conversations with CPSC officials, that Statement 18:17 joetho hey owen 18:17 rhcl lead. 18:17 rhcl the treatment of older children’s books that could potentially contain 18:17 rhcl of Policy specifically providing guidance for libraries with regard to 18:17 rhcl CPSC also announced its intention to release a Statement 18:17 joetho this belongs on publib-L 18:17 rhcl under the law. 18:17 rhcl libraries have no independent obligation to test library books for lead 18:17 rhcl In the rule, CPSC confirmed that 18:17 rhcl containing lead was released.... 18:17 rhcl On August 26, 2009, the CPSC’s final rule on children’s products 18:17 joetho I mean, if it is newer than ten years is it certifiably OK? 18:17 rhcl Beats me. 18:17 joetho how old does a book have to be suspicious? 18:16 owen About 73,000 books in our collection would have been required to be tested. 18:16 rhcl Oh, a Modest Proposal. 18:16 joetho Just a modest proposal. 18:15 joetho they could use the poor people to taste-test their books 18:15 joetho they wanted to restrict their library to exclude poor people, basically 18:15 joetho This could go hand in hand with the library I read of recently in the US northeast, a wealthy community... 18:13 rhcl Don't think there is such a thing (cheap test) and however cheap one test might be can you imagine the time and cumulative expense of testing hundreds or thousands of books? 18:13 joetho "The Tough Coughs As He Ploughs the Dough" 18:13 joetho I'm all for it, if there is a cheap test 18:13 owen Tricky homonyms. 18:12 rhcl A lot of libraries were sweating the issue. 18:12 rhcl Applied mostly to older books, I think. 18:12 cait now I got it :) 18:12 cait the metal 18:12 cait ah 18:12 rhcl Apparently there had been some threat from recent legislation that libraries were going to have to test children's books for lead, or replace all of them with certified lead-free books. 18:11 joetho to see if there is any lead (the metal) in the paper or ink or cover or anything...? 18:11 cait I dont understand it :) 18:11 cait what does this mean, guidance for testing of lead in children's books? 18:10 rhcl Not that critical really, but my director was happy that we seem to be in the clear now, and apparently the news was just released, so I thought I'm mention it to her. 18:10 munin joetho: I suck 18:10 joetho @flip 18:10 munin joetho: I suck 18:10 joetho @ding 18:10 joetho ha h a ha ha oh I like a bot with a sense of humor 18:09 munin pong 18:09 joetho @ping 18:09 joetho wizzy is lrea at nekls dot org (that is an L at the beginning) 18:07 rhcl Could have been a big big expense for us. 18:06 rhcl It had been a matter of concern, but the guidance says (basically) that we don't have to test them. 18:06 rhcl For US libraries the CPSC just released guidance for testing of lead in children's books 18:05 cait perhaps try to message her directly too 18:05 rhcl I was just trying to ring wizzy's bell and see if she's on 18:05 rhcl that might work? 18:05 cait playing ping pong with munin? 18:05 rhcl wizzyrea: you on? 18:05 pianohacker ^-- is the preferred method 18:04 pianohacker wizzyrea: ping 18:04 munin pong 18:04 pianohacker @ping 18:04 rhcl ? 18:04 munin pong 18:04 rhcl @ping wizzyrea 17:12 pianohacker Hi, tho 17:12 joetho how could I forget? 17:12 joetho Hi, JESSE 16:55 pianohacker Ok :) 16:54 |Lupin| pianohacker: ah... but one day you called me Sébasien and since then each time I great you I think I should use your real name, too 16:53 pianohacker That's the one. I had to use whois to remember Sébastien, so... 16:53 |Lupin| pianohacker: I feel guilty for not remembering your name... Jesse ? 16:52 pianohacker Hi, |Lupin| 16:52 |Lupin| hi pianohacker 15:44 wizzyrea they must have changed something in the matrix 15:44 wizzyrea bleh, I added it but it's still not finding it, the records have it. I feel like I've witnessed this conversation many times, it's like deja vu, but I can't remember it all. 15:31 wizzyrea ty 15:31 wizzyrea okies 15:30 gmcharlt yep 15:29 wizzyrea and reindex? 15:29 wizzyrea ? 15:29 wizzyrea >.< sorry, you would add something like 'ccode' => '9528' 15:26 wizzyrea ty 15:26 wizzyrea l 15:26 wizzyrea k I wil 15:26 gmcharlt dunno offhand - check the syspref 15:25 wizzyrea I'm guessing it doesn't come with that one by default? 15:25 wizzyrea thanks 15:25 wizzyrea ok cool I will check them 15:25 gmcharlt wizzyrea: depends entirely on index definitions - need a 'ccode' index in the syspref pulling from the appropriate 952 subfield 15:24 wizzyrea ) 15:24 wizzyrea (but I may have something set up wrong 15:23 wizzyrea because I can't seem to get it to 15:23 wizzyrea gmcharlt: another question... ccode searching with nozebra, should this work? 15:16 jdavidb Ahh...nice feature, that. 15:14 nahuel_ $dbh only execute one sql request, even if you pass 2 15:14 nahuel_ I already tryied 15:14 nahuel_ you cannot made sql injections easily 15:14 nahuel_ As I know 15:13 jdavidb Now, this is novel. One of our customers is apparently quite nervous, all of a sudden, about the possibility of SQL injection attacks in the staff client. Actually presented what they thought would be a plausible scenario--which didn't work, when I tried it on a test server. 15:01 gmcharlt rebuild_nozebra.pl usually need only be run if you change index definitions 15:01 kf sorry 15:01 kf oh no zebra 15:00 gmcharlt wizzyrea: no, nozebra indexing is done on the fly 15:00 kf http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/cron-jobs/?searchterm=cron%20jobs 15:00 kf mom g 14:59 wizzyrea aww, not even a RTFM? 14:56 wizzyrea (I don't do much with the back end usually, but have an eensy library coming on to a dedicated server) 14:55 wizzyrea w/ cron? 14:55 wizzyrea nub question: nozebra indexing needs to be scheduled? 14:51 owen "Daddy, there's an earthquake in my room!" 14:51 chris ok, thats the kids placated, no after shocks, im going back to sleep 14:46 wizzyrea :) 14:46 kf "at a better place" 14:46 kf I declined a lot of karma today - is has to end up somewhere 14:46 wizzyrea owen: obsessive matrix viewing from you does not surprise me 14:45 |Lupin| Sharon++ also, for having used it 14:45 wizzyrea sky 14:45 wizzyrea ooh karma is falling from the saky 14:45 |Lupin| wizzyrea++ for the poetic noddle expression 14:45 wizzyrea kf: np :) 14:44 kf wizzyrea++ for helping with renewals :) 14:44 * owen has seen it a few too many times 14:44 wizzyrea little different context 14:44 wizzyrea I forgot about that one though, you're right, it is in that movie 14:43 wizzyrea way way before the movie 14:43 wizzyrea hmm.. no, but he was saying that long ago 14:30 owen wizzyrea: Your dad was the Oracle in The Matrix? That's where I first heard "bake your noodle" 14:30 nahuel_ hehe ok 14:30 nahuel_ ^^ 14:30 gmcharlt nahuel_: indeed - but I can see even a small US public library crashing their mailing server due to volume they turned that on ;) 14:30 nahuel_ gmcharlt, anyway, thanks :) 14:30 jdavidb That would be! Any damage, that you know of? 14:29 nahuel_ hehe 14:29 nahuel_ "frenchies" big libraries 14:29 nahuel_ depends, we have "big" libraries that needs it 14:28 gmcharlt nahuel_: it strikes me as something that only a really small library would want 14:28 nahuel_ gmcharlt, thanks :) 14:28 nahuel_ ho ok ! So i'll do it :) 14:28 chris yeah, centred 20km away, only 5.2 but a big jolt 14:28 gmcharlt nahuel_: it's not implement - it may have been in dev_week, but is not there now 14:28 rhcl I see in my absence people have been maligning Missoura. 14:28 nahuel_ instead in sql 14:28 nahuel_ why i do not find anything with a grep ? 14:28 nahuel_ gmcharlt, cool, can you say me something about this syspref : emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced ? 14:27 gmcharlt nahuel_: yes 14:27 nahuel_ gmcharlt, around ? 14:27 jdavidb Earthshaker a few minutes ago, chris ? 14:27 collum http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/8543 14:25 jdavidb wizzyrea: When I was in college speech class, we were supposed to do a promotional speech for some tourist site we knew about. A guy from Topeka did one about "if you want a fun vacation, *don't* come to Kansas." 14:25 chris hmm why am i awake at 2.30am .. oh thats right because of http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/snzo-drum.html 14:24 kf wizzyrea: thx - perhaps we can do something similar. I already noticed that checking out a already checked out book leads to a renewal - was not sure if this could be a problem, when people accidently check out more than one and loose their renewals this way 14:24 |Lupin| wizzyrea: heay it helps, I remember now. Thanks ! 14:23 Sharon gmcharlt we used that book for my cataloging class back at IU Bloomington. I don't remember KS jokes, but I'm sure there were some. 14:23 kf rofl 14:22 wizzyrea I mean, any place whose name phonetically sounds so much like "misery" has to be funny, right? 14:22 Sharon that would be missoura... 14:21 wizzyrea though not as much as Missouri ^.^ 14:21 wizzyrea and it's fine to make fun of Kansas... there's a lot of comedic fodder here. 14:21 wizzyrea her* 14:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I'll let her know ;) 14:20 wizzyrea gmcharlt - you can tell him that we have more wheat than corn ;) (nyah nyah) 14:20 wizzyrea kf- indeed, I got the info back late yesterday afternoon: the way ours work is that it just checks out the book again with a refreshed circ rule. It doesn't seem to follow the renewal rules. 14:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: cataloging professor is using the Wizard of Oz as an example this semester - lots of cornfield and Kansas jokes already :/ 14:19 kf hi liz - did you have a chance to look at your self checkouts for renewals? 14:18 * wizzyrea ducks and waits for the inevitable "there's no place like home's" 14:18 wizzyrea |Lupin| Kansas is where Dorothy is from in the story The Wizard of Oz, if that helps. 14:17 wizzyrea lol 14:16 wizzyrea though that makes somewhat less sense 14:16 wizzyrea yep, that's about right 14:16 wizzyrea you could also "bonk your noodle" (hit your head) 14:16 |Lupin| Sharon: ok 14:16 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I think I got it. It expresses confusion because noodles are supposed to be boiled rather than baken, so if you bake them it's you must be totally confused... correct ? 14:15 |Lupin| aaaah 14:14 wizzyrea so you could say "health care in the US totally bakes my noodle" 14:13 wizzyrea technically, that one came from my dad. In my dad's vernacular, the "noodle" was your head, thusly, to bake it was to be completely confused 14:13 Sharon |Lupin| we are in Kansas, middle of the US 14:13 wizzyrea |Lupin| of course :) 14:12 |Lupin| Sharon: where are you located ? 14:12 |Lupin| wizzyrea: do you allow me to re-use this expression ? I like it ! :) 14:12 rhcl I need coffee. brb 14:11 |Lupin| Sharon: okay, thanks for the subtitles :) 14:07 Sharon Liz is my co-worker who's on here as wizzyrea. Bakes my noodle = confuses me 14:06 |Lupin| Sharon: coudl you explain a bit pls ? who is Liz, what does this expression mean ? :) 14:05 Sharon this global community stuff 'bakes my noodle' as Liz would say 14:05 |Lupin| Sharon: ah good morning... here it's afternoon already 14:04 Sharon good morning 14:04 |Lupin| hi Sharon 13:58 gmcharlt owen: I had poked around with that footer in HEAD a while back; it's possible that it may not be reproduicible in HEAD 13:58 owen I'm not sure I understand how to reproduce it 13:57 owen Is anyone familiar with this problem? http://www.nabble.com/Changelanguage-div-in-Koha-Staff-Client-to25134301.html 13:56 |Lupin| hi again 13:44 jdavidb The fact that so darn many of them seem to *want* to live in the squalid conditions of the Rio Grande Valley says something about the place they came from that is really unnerving to me. 13:43 jdavidb My brother used to live down there, and he had to move, because my nephew was the *last* native-English speaker in the whole school district--they were only going to offer ESL. 13:42 jdavidb gmcharlt: Move to south Texas. We really oughta draw a line from El Paso to San Antonio to Houston, and give everything south of the line back to Mexico... They don't set 'em to work on the farm, unfortunately. Quite a few end up in really violent gangs and such. 13:42 * paul_p heads back to printing the X0000 of pages I have to print for an RFP (poor trees...) 13:41 jdavidb paul: I don't see speaking French as a problem. I don't, but there's no reason I *couldn't*... 13:41 gmcharlt jdavidb: but I suspect not as much as you'd think - we're long past the days where you could set your kids to work on the farm, after all 13:41 jdavidb paul: We have that problem in our immigrant communities. They're not US citizens, but if their baby is born here, the baby is. And so the parents get support money, etc... and there are strong incentives to have lotsa the little monsters.) 13:40 paul_p (but anyway, it's true that a lot of ppl complains the allocation stops when the childrens cost more !) 13:40 paul_p jdavidb: maybe => we speak french ? 13:40 paul_p (no, it was just refering to free as beer / free as speech) 13:40 * jdavidb is trying to think of good reasons why *not* living in France is a good idea, and coming up short. 13:39 collum Beer is free? European beer!!!! 13:39 collum paul_p: I'm braced. 13:39 paul_p universities are free (as beer) in France... 13:39 paul_p collum: are you seated ? if no, the take a chair... 13:38 paul_p jdavidb: in fact, some ppl here are complaining about ppl from north africa having too much babies, just to get the money. 13:38 collum paul_p: What happens at 18. Is university paid for? We just sent our 18 year old to college. He's finding that he really didn't want as much freedom as he has been asking for since he was 14. 13:37 jdavidb Oh, I can so see women here taking way too much advantage of that.. Lordy. "Octomom" wouldn't be news any more. "*only* 14 kids? Pssht." 13:37 paul_p for us, we get almost 1000€ every months (we have 4 childrens, and wife in "Parental Education Allocation") 13:36 paul_p until your children is 18 13:36 paul_p monthly : 0 for the 1st, 100 for the 2nd, 160 for 3rd and each one after 13:36 * owen could have sworn there was an existing bug for that one 13:36 gmcharlt ah 13:36 jdavidb "pre-existing" has been a problem for me all my life. Since I've always been an amputee, anything having to do with my right leg is a "pre-existing condition." 13:36 owen chris++ for fast Zotero/xslt patch 13:36 paul_p it's the 1k€ / 500€ I spoke previously + an amount EVERY famil gets just to have childrens 13:35 gmcharlt paul_p: no doubt :) but what is it? 13:35 * jdavidb nods at gmcharlt. 13:35 paul_p a frenchism, probably ;-) 13:35 gmcharlt what is family allocatin? 13:35 paul_p something like 50% for diseases, 25% for retirement, 25% for family allocation. 13:35 gmcharlt but no such thing as "pre-existing conditions", I bet 13:34 jdavidb Well, sure. There ain't no free lunches. 13:34 paul_p the other side : if you have a salary of 1k€ (net), the mandatory health care amount is almost another 1k€ 13:32 jdavidb I knew that France's system was better, but I didn't quite realize how *much* better. 13:32 jdavidb owen: Saw this article on AlterNet, and it points out several pretty dramatic differences in the US and French healthcare systems: http://bit.ly/2CCO3C 13:32 paul_p it's called "parental education allocation" 13:31 paul_p my wife is in this status for 5 years now (Jérémie, then 2.5 years later Matthieu) 13:31 paul_p and (except for the 1st), anyone (mum or dad) can take 1 year with 1k€ or upto 3 years with 500€ (monthly) to take care of the child 13:30 paul_p collum: of course, but just 2 weeks 13:30 collum paul_p: Do the father's also get days off? 13:30 owen paul_p: Maybe so, but according to some American politicians France is a horrible communist country where people wait in line for days for basic health care! 13:29 jdavidb That is good,paul_p...way, way better than here. 13:28 paul_p France is great here: you get 20weeks off when you've a baby (6 before and 14 after the birth), at full salary. For the 3rd or more (of for twins), you get 26. If you have 3 or more babies at the same time it's 36 (but not sure the pain to have 3 babies is worth the 10 more weeks...) 13:27 owen Hi paul_p 13:27 owen My wife teaches high school, so she got the summer off plus one extra month this month. Then back to school. 13:26 paul_p good morning USA ! 13:24 jdavidb My older daughter slept all night the first night home from the hospital. She hasn't done it since, of course...she'll be 17 this fall... 13:22 schuster Oh you are lucky! Does your wife work? One of our librarians has had to go back to work after having her baby in May and the adjustment to daycare has not been good. Once an all nigh sleeper is waking up every 2 hours wanting food or to be played with. 13:20 owen She wakes up once or twice, otherwise she sleeps great 13:20 owen She has always been a remarkable sleeper, especially compared to our first 13:19 schuster Owen - how's the baby? sleeping through the night yet? 12:51 jdavidb Willdo. EBPL may have a fringe use-case here (*everything* about EBPL is a fringe use-case, IMO...) and it's causing some headaches. I can short-circuit it, but I'd like to understand it instead, if possible. 12:50 gmcharlt jdavidb: sure - busy this morning, but feel free to ping me this afternoon 12:48 jdavidb Some time when you've got a few minutes, I'd like to visit with you about the build_holds_queue cron, and the hold_fill_targets table.. Something about it has me scratching my head, and "git blame" shows your name a *lot* in there. 12:48 gmcharlt jdavidb: pong 12:47 jdavidb gmcharlt: ping? 12:06 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (5:10 PM IST on August 27, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 12:06 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 12:02 Amit time to leave bye 12:01 |Lupin| bye 12:01 |Lupin| time to leave 11:43 |Lupin| gmcharlt: wow, sorry, I didn't notice this one. Thanks. 11:29 gmcharlt |Lupin|: s/foar/far/ 11:04 |Lupin| gmcharlt: s/repl/reply/, something else ? 10:25 gmcharlt yes, except for the typos at the very end ;) 10:24 |Lupin| would this sentence be okay ? 10:24 |Lupin| At this stage, it may be helpful to have a database of rightsholders with precise contact information, plus a system to keep track of orders and assist the librarian in sending new requests to those rightholders who did not repl so foar. 10:23 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok 10:23 gmcharlt correct 10:22 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, thanks. It's to write in a paper, so I assume from what you said that none of these two would work ? 10:22 gmcharlt very informally, "poke" or "prod" 10:21 |Lupin| a substantive may be helpful, too 10:20 |Lupin| does someone know how whether there exists some verb in english to say something like "contact again a client who didn't reply so far" ? 10:18 gmcharlt hi Amit 10:18 Amit hi galen 09:58 |Lupin| it's to bad the bot hasn't some aliases, so that, say, ms and microsoft refer to the same thing 09:57 chris nabble_and_its_crazy_urls-- 09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-distribution-with-Koha": 1, "March": 1, "ago": (1 more message) 09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased 09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:56 gmcharlt @clear <tr<! 09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:56 gmcharlt @clear - 09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-distribution-with-Koha": 1, (1 more message) 09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased 09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:56 gmcharlt @clear -- 09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:56 gmcharlt @clear <- 09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "--": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux- (1 more message) 09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased 09:56 munin chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 40, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 35, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 18, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "failed": 10, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "<-": 9, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "ricardo": 7, "git": 7, "-": 6, "jwagner": 5, and "|Lupin|": 5 09:56 chris @most active 09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:55 gmcharlt @clear class="highlight"<! 09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:55 gmcharlt @clear +---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+-------- 09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:55 gmcharlt @clear --><th>Renew</th><! 09:55 munin gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 09:55 gmcharlt @lcear '--><th>Renew</th><!' 09:54 munin gmcharlt: I've exhausted my database of quotes 09:54 gmcharlt @lcear --><th>Renew</th><! 09:54 chris apparently the nz prime minister is going to be doing one of the top ten lists 09:53 gmcharlt chris: very, very rarely 09:53 chris gmcharlt: do you ever watch letterman? 09:53 |Lupin| kf: your karma does not seem too bad 09:51 munin chris: downloading the Perl source 09:51 chris @languages 09:51 kf hm I need to do something for my karma :) 09:50 chris gmcharlt++ 09:50 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 09:50 gmcharlt @clear <! 09:50 chris ah will get gmcharlt to clear it ;) 09:50 munin chris: chris 09:50 chris @whoami 09:49 munin chris: Error: You don't have the #koha,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 09:49 chris @clear <! 09:49 munin chris: "<!": 16, "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "+---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+--------": 3, "--><th>Renew</th><!": 3, "class="highlight"<!": 3, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, (1 more message) 09:49 chris @most decreased 09:49 munin chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 39, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 34, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 16, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "git": 7, "ricardo": 6, "jwagner": 5, "|Lupin|": 5, "mason": 5, "schuster": 5, and "acmoore": 5 09:49 chris @most increased 09:48 munin chris: (most [<channel>] {increased,decreased,active}) -- Returns the most increased, the most decreased, or the most active (the sum of increased and decreased) karma things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. 09:48 chris @most 09:48 kf yay :) 09:47 munin |Lupin|: Karma for "kf" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. 09:47 |Lupin| @karma kf 09:47 |Lupin| kf: yes. Since recently I can type tibetan in my LInux console and the letters are displayed correctly on the screen. In braille, however, each letter is represented by a question mark at the moment. I'll have to choose a braille representaiton for each letter, which is not very easy :) 09:43 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "owen" (38). Lowest karma: "<!" (-16), "failed" (-10), and "<-" (-9). You (chris) are ranked 4 out of 382. 09:43 chris @karma 09:43 kf sounds like fun :) 09:43 |Lupin| so a syllable can be seen as a matrix where each letter can have several others stacked on top of it or underneath it 09:42 |Lupin| but in reality things are a bit more complicated than that, because the structure of a syllable is not in one dimension, but on two dimensions 09:42 |Lupin| ltr 09:41 kf is tibetan ltr or rtl? 09:40 * |Lupin| things that when he will start to catalogue things in tibetan things will really become fun 09:39 |Lupin| kf: I see 09:39 |Lupin| microsoft-- 09:39 kf our vendor has problems with display of umlauts 09:39 |Lupin| ms-- 09:39 munin |Lupin|: microsoft has neutral karma. 09:39 |Lupin| @karma microsoft 09:38 munin |Lupin|: Karma for "ms" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0. 09:38 |Lupin| @karma ms 09:38 |Lupin| why kf ? 09:38 kf encoding-- 09:38 munin kf: Karma for "encoding" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 09:38 kf @karma encoding 09:35 kf coins = microformat? I read something about microformats for calendars some time ago 09:34 chris http://ocoins.info/ 09:33 |Lupin| kf: thanks for having explained 09:30 |Lupin| wasn't aware of this 09:30 |Lupin| ahah 09:29 kf and you can import it to zotero as a reference 09:29 chris yep 09:28 kf but I think coins is not only used by Zotero but by other applications as well, I think coins is a way to mark bibliographic data in html 09:28 |Lupin| kf: ok, thanks 09:27 kf its a popular firefox plugin 09:27 kf kind of reference management software 09:25 |Lupin| what's Zotero btw ? 09:18 kf ah ok 09:17 chris the actual coins stuff is in opac-detail.tmpl 09:17 chris but the xslt is only part of what builds that page 09:17 chris not yet im afraid 09:15 kf mom, is it now possible to have different xslt files for different languages? 09:15 chris cool 09:14 kf thx chris! 09:14 kf ok 09:14 kf works fine now 09:14 chris cool, will send a patch, you will need to regen your german templates when the patch is pushed 09:13 chris (i only fixed it on taht template) 09:13 kf that was the problem 09:13 kf yes 09:13 kf mom 09:13 chris ahh make sure you change your langauge to en 09:12 kf sory, no 09:11 kf will check, one second 09:11 kf you are fast! 09:10 chris showing for you here? 09:10 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1134 09:10 chris right i think i just fixed it 09:10 munin kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on 09:10 kf @bug 3559 09:08 chris critical or major 09:07 kf severity? 09:02 chris yep that sounds like a good bug report 09:01 kf but cant test - we only have 3.2 n 09:01 kf I think it did work in 3.0.3 09:01 kf i will try to add one - zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on? 09:00 chris thats a bug, want to do a bug report and ill try and fix it 08:59 chris yeah shows on normal, doesnt show on xslt 08:58 kf you can reproduce it now? 08:57 chris hmm nope 08:55 chris if you turn xslt off does it show? 08:55 chris ahh 08:54 kf and xslt on 08:54 kf we have amazon covers and reviews activated 08:54 kf I dont get the possibility to add it 08:54 kf ok, result list works fine, but detail page not 08:53 kf yes 08:53 chris zotero is a firefox extension isnt it? 08:52 |Lupin| just by solidarity 08:52 |Lupin| ie-- 08:52 kf strange 08:52 chris well zotero only works with firefox afaik 08:51 kf and marc view tabs looks strange in ie, they are jumping around a little 08:50 * chris looks 08:50 chris oh really? 08:49 kf oh, and zotero is broken - but its broken on detail page in general in 3.2 08:49 kf trying to change xslt to display our hebrew records nicely 08:46 chris hehe 08:43 kf decreasing ie's karma makes me feel a little better g 08:43 munin chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4. 08:43 chris @karma ie 08:43 kf ie-- 08:42 munin chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 08:42 chris @karma ie 08:42 munin chris: for ie has neutral karma. 08:42 chris @karma for ie 08:42 chris ie6-- #especially ie6 08:41 chris ie-- 08:40 kf InternetExplorer-- 08:31 |Lupin| guten morgen kf 08:31 |Lupin| hello Amit 08:24 Amit_G hi lupin, laurendthdl 08:24 laurenthdl chris: yes 08:23 kf good morning #koha 08:20 chris is laurenthdl travelling today? 08:11 |Lupin| hey chris 08:08 nahuel_ yep 08:08 laurenthdl nahuel_: around ? 08:08 laurenthdl hello 08:06 chris hi |Lupin| 08:03 |Lupin| hello there 06:21 magnusenger hi Amit 06:21 Amit hi magnusenger ;) 06:18 magnusenger good morning, nicomo 06:18 nicomo hi magnusenger 05:45 nicomo why is it better for you to have the patron data in Marc, rather than just in the DB? 05:44 Amit means please be clear 05:43 nicomo why would you want patron records in Marc in the 1st place? 05:43 nicomo I'm puzzle by this 05:43 Amit format but unable to test 05:43 nicomo ok 05:43 Amit i have all tag and indicator of patron data in MARC 05:42 Amit IRC 05:42 Amit in 05:42 nicomo here? or on the mailing lists? can't rememer 05:42 Amit yes 05:42 nicomo it's been asked before, right? 05:42 nicomo Amit: this question reminds me of something 05:41 Amit any one know patron data in MARC format 05:41 nicomo hi all 05:41 nicomo Hi Amit 05:41 Amit hi nicomo 05:41 Amit hi ncomo 05:24 brendan good night #koha 05:15 susan Sorry then :) 05:13 Amit no 05:13 susan Hi Amit, did you want to say something? 05:12 Amit no problem ;) 05:02 susan sorry for the delay. I was talking to my manager :) 05:02 susan Hi amit 04:51 Amit hi susan 04:49 susan :) 04:49 chris no problem :) 04:49 susan your great. Thanks alot for the help. Sure glad you are awake hehe 04:49 susan wow..that simple 04:48 chris you can just add that server to your list of servers to query then do a z3950 search in the cataloguing interface 04:48 chris http://www.oclc.org/z3950/default.htm 04:48 susan Does it? How can I find this server information? 04:48 susan Do you have an article/blog/ anything that I can read 04:48 chris OCLC has a Z3950 server eh? 04:47 chris yes 04:47 susan :) 04:47 susan I have an urgent question that I need to give an answer to today. Is there an already existing way of importing data into koha from OCLC or not? 04:47 chris so nearly time for me to go home from work ;) 04:47 chris im in NZ 04:47 susan Located in Abu Dhabi :) my apologies 04:46 chris some people are, some people are about to wake up, some are about to go to sleep, and some are asleep :) 04:45 susan anyone awake? Its morning my time... 04:45 susan Good day everyone 03:57 brendan hey amit 03:25 chris heya Amit 03:25 Amit good morning #koha ;) 03:25 Amit hi chris, brendan 03:13 brendan 13 minutes and counting