| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:00 |
|
atz |
nobody has implemented it before |
| 12:01 |
|
atz |
most US libraries don't have some records for X users, more records for Y users, etc... their full collection is available to all users |
| 12:01 |
|
atz |
and if they want to hide some, then they hide it from everybody (except staff) |
| 12:09 |
|
hdl_laptop |
|Lupin|: OPACSuppression is your syspref |
| 12:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I think I will make it a text so that you can hide on a single word. |
| 12:17 |
|
|Lupin| |
atz, hdl_laptop thanks to both of you guys ! |
| 12:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm |
| 12:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
how to display thispref ? is there a way to search a syspref by name ? |
| 12:24 |
|
atz |
you can search sysprefs... try just "suppression" |
| 12:27 |
|
|Lupin| |
atz: I'm sorry, I don't see the suppression button you are mentionning. When I follow the System preferences link, I get a table with just a few system preferences displayed, and for each one there is a button to modify it and another one to remove it... |
| 12:27 |
|
atz |
right.... there should be a bunch of tabs on the left |
| 12:27 |
|
atz |
and the search box on top lets you search all sysprefs |
| 12:28 |
|
atz |
OPACsuppression probably lives under the "OPAC" tab, but i find it easier to search if i already know the one i want |
| 12:29 |
|
owen |
It's under the Cataloging tab |
| 12:29 |
|
owen |
Hi atz and |Lupin| |
| 12:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
ae all these things based on javascript ? |
| 12:29 |
|
atz |
^^ see, that's why I search for it :) |
| 12:29 |
|
owen |
Navigation and editing of system preferences are not javascript-dependent |
| 12:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi owen |
| 12:30 |
|
atz |
yeah, it's important those work w/o js, since among other things, you can insert code a mess up your js using sysprefs |
| 12:30 |
|
atz |
and you might need to change it |
| 12:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay |
| 12:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
now I understand |
| 12:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
under lynx these tabs you are talking about are represented as a list of lynx that appears after the few system preferences |
| 12:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
but while reading the names, I though these links were just to different Koha modules, I didn't realize they were to different tabs in the system preferences area |
| 12:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
however I don't have a search bok |
| 12:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
however I don't have a search box |
| 12:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
and under cataloguing preferences I have nothing... normal ? |
| 12:35 |
|
|Lupin| |
I mean, the headings are there, (preference name, value, meaning, modify, remove), but the table is empty |
| 12:37 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: Are you running an official release or an up-to-date git repo? |
| 12:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
up-to-date git repo |
| 12:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: up-to-date git repo |
| 12:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
(git pull is enough to update the repo, is't it?) |
| 12:39 |
|
owen |
When you first arrive at the Administration page one of the first things in the main body of the page is a heading "Global System Preferences." Right under that there should be a search box for searching system preferences. |
| 12:41 |
|
owen |
Wow I forgot how badly lynx handles tables |
| 12:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 12:48 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: Are you able to do a "find on this page" kind of search when you're using Lynx? |
| 12:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: ok, now I have found it. Thanks a lot ! |
| 12:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
I was looking for it on the cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl page, not on the general admnistration page. Sorry. |
| 12:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: sure, / works the same way it does in e.g. less |
| 12:51 |
|
owen |
That seemed like a good way to quickly find something on the big list of system preferences |
| 12:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: right ! |
| 12:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: don't know how to display the big list, though. |
| 12:56 |
|
owen |
When you click on one of the "tabs" as atz described it, the list of system preference categories: Admin, Acquisitions, etc. |
| 12:57 |
|
owen |
Each of those should load its own list of system preferences |
| 12:58 |
|
owen |
Each of those pages is what I would describe as the big list--but there's not one list of everything |
| 12:58 |
|
owen |
I wonder if there should be? |
| 13:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: don't know if there should be. I just can say that for me personnally, that woudl be convenient |
| 13:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: and ok, understood. I indeed thought there was such an exhaustive list. |
| 13:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: so when oparsuppression is active, is it also 942n that matters in Unimarc, or is it another field ? |
| 13:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you have to add a Suppress index in your record.abs and reindex |
| 13:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you could use 995$S |
| 13:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: record.abs has to be modified even if zebra is not used ? |
| 13:13 |
|
hdl_laptop |
no. |
| 13:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: ok, thanks |
| 13:13 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But I think that Not is not supported for nozebra |
| 13:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: but when you say could use 995$S, this is item-specific, I thought that opac suppression was working at the record level ? |
| 13:14 |
|
hdl_laptop |
it works at record level, But if you have one item with this flag, then it deletes it from results |
| 13:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
another way to not have the records in the opac could be to keep them in the reservoir and not complete the import ? Would that be a good solution ? |
| 13:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: okay, understood |
| 13:20 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm I didn't know koha was aware of braille ! |
| 13:21 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi gmcharlt |
| 13:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
Hi |Lupin| |
| 13:27 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi gmcharlt |
| 13:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop |
| 13:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
ah there was another thing I misunderstood |
| 13:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
I was told on the chan that in the advanced search, one can search either by itemtype or by ccode |
| 13:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
so I thought the choice is up to the patron |
| 13:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
but actually it seems it's a syspref (AdvancedSearchTypes) so its set once and forever |
| 13:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
is this correct ? |
| 13:44 |
|
owen |
Not once and forever, but yes--it's up to the administrator |
| 13:45 |
|
owen |
Sorry if I wasn't clear about that yesterday |
| 13:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: np, my mistake !! |
| 13:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
is that to say that it doesn't make much sense to define both item types and collection codes for items and that one really has to choose between the two ? |
| 13:47 |
|
owen |
It depends how you use them. We use collection codes so our patrons can limit their searches by those categories, and we use itemtypes for controlling circ policy |
| 13:47 |
|
owen |
But I'm not sure how the combination could work for you in a non-circulating environment |
| 13:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: well, my intuition is that indeed we don't have circulation, but we have download that should work differently for books in the private / public domain |
| 13:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: perhaps one could have two item types, private domain and public domain, and then one ccode for each format |
| 13:57 |
|
owen |
You still face the problem of how a patron might limit their search to both a domain and a format |
| 13:57 |
|
owen |
e.g. "public domain mp3 files" |
| 13:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: yes, and I realize that. But actually I thought that if one has to be sacrified, perhaps the domain is preferable |
| 14:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
isn't it reasonable to expect that some day Koha will allow to perform searches on both c-codes and item types ? |
| 14:00 |
|
owen |
I think you need a MARC expert to advise you on how records might be properly cataloged with domain and/or format data |
| 14:00 |
|
owen |
And yes, |Lupin|, I think that is a reasonable expectation. |
| 14:02 |
|
owen |
As far as I know, removing the option to search both was an interface decision and not a functionality decision. |
| 14:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: okay, thanks a lot. Your replies are very helpful. |
| 14:07 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: in a way the problem is certainly at least partially a MARC problem, I agree. But in my opinion it's not only a MARC problem, since the way Koha lets you search is also involved in the decisions, I think. |
| 14:08 |
|
owen |
Sure, but the MARC angle might allow you to circumvent the searching limitation |
| 14:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: hmm ? not sure I understand how... Could you please elaborate ? |
| 14:10 |
|
owen |
This is just off the top of my head, and I don't know if it's really valid or not, but... |
| 14:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: are you suggesting that perhaps putting the information in a coded field or so may allow one to search on it ? |
| 14:10 |
|
owen |
If there were a proper way to tag a MARC record with, for instance, public/private domain information, you could then theoretically create an index in Zebra for searching that field |
| 14:11 |
|
owen |
However, you'd have to alter your Koha templates to allow that choice to appear in search forms |
| 14:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
in MARC21, you can kinda get there by using subfield $5, which specifies to whch library a particular field applies |
| 14:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
obviously would need a lot of template and indexing work to handle that in Koha |
| 14:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: okay... Not sure whether it's worth the effort... |
| 14:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: I tend to think it is not... |
| 14:14 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: Do you know anything about the decision to limit the advanced search to either itemtype or ccode but not both? In dev_week we had both |
| 14:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
well in the worst case (a wron cataloguing decision), I assume it'll always be possible to export Koha's database in MARC, do something to it and import it again... |
| 14:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: there's no particular reason behind it other than that it was probably quicker to do it that way at the time, since sysprefs currently can't hold multiple active values |
| 14:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
what's dev_week ? a special tag in Koha's git repository ? corresopnding to what ? |
| 14:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: dev_week is essentially an intermediate between 2.2 and 3.0 |
| 14:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: couldn't there be a "both" sys pref ? |
| 14:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
created during a "development week" event |
| 14:16 |
|
|Lupin| |
ah these kind of events take place... good to know... |
| 14:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: there could be, yes, although multi-val syspref support would be even nicer |
| 14:16 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: sure. I was just trying to propose something that cold be implemented quickly... |
| 14:18 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: I suspect it was largely the desire to offer the grid of icons for search limiting |
| 14:18 |
|
owen |
But we could still display the other choices as a drop-down when the admin chooses which limiter to use in the grid |
| 14:21 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: I don't nderstand the drop-down and grid things you are explaining, probably because I can't see the graphical presentaiton of the advanced search page. Would you mind explaining, pls ? |
| 14:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: thanks :) |
| 14:24 |
|
owen |
We're talking about the area of the advanced search screen labeled "Limit to any of the following" |
| 14:24 |
|
owen |
That's the "grid" (displayed in a table in graphical browsers) |
| 14:25 |
|
owen |
I'm saying that even if we display itemtype in that section, couldn't we also offer the choice to limit by ccode using a drop-down menu such as is used by the "location and availability" choice. |
| 14:26 |
|
owen |
Obviously "drop-down" is a name based on its visual behavior...I'm not sure what the vision-agnostic term would be! :) |
| 14:26 |
|
owen |
"select menu" ? |
| 14:29 |
|
owen |
I'm curious which is easier for you to interact with, the list of "Limit to any of the following" choices or the "Location and availability" choice. |
| 14:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: for the moment my staff client is in french so it's not obvious which things you are talking about. Is there an easy way to switch between french and english ? |
| 14:31 |
|
owen |
Do you have a publicly accessible OPAC? |
| 14:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: unfortunately not |
| 14:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh but actually I could try any opac in english ! |
| 14:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: is there one you could suggest ? |
| 14:34 |
|
owen |
You can try my library's: http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cg[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
| 14:34 |
|
owen |
I must warn you, we have way too many collection codes! It makes quite a list |
| 14:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: ok, no problem, thanks! |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
Hi joetho |
| 14:37 |
|
|Lupin| |
ok, so the "Limit to any of the following" is represented in lynx by a succession of checkboxes, so each can be either checked or unchecked. These are your collection codes, right ? |
| 14:37 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi joetho |
| 14:38 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: Yes |
| 14:38 |
|
joetho |
hello |
| 14:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: and this is what ou caled the grid ? |
| 14:39 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 14:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: okay. And if your opac was configured to allow a search by item-types, this wold be a grid, too, right ? |
| 14:40 |
|
owen |
If my opac was configured to allow a search by item-types, our item-types would show up in place of all the collection codes |
| 14:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: right, but how ? grid or drop-down ? |
| 14:41 |
|
owen |
Grid. |
| 14:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay |
| 14:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: now, why were you suggesting that the pref which is not selected should appear in a drop-down ? why not have two grids ? |
| 14:42 |
|
owen |
For many libraries even one grid is too cumbersome because of the great many choices they have |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
This way at least the library can prioritize |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
But I suppose ideally it would be completely configurable |
| 14:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: yes ! That was what I had in mind. |
| 14:44 |
|
owen |
But for that you have to wait! |
| 14:44 |
|
|Lupin| |
so one should be able to configure what is used to search (item-types, ccodes, both, none), and for each of them how it is presented, either grid or drop-down. |
| 14:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: btw thanks a lot for having taught me the graphical terminology, much more convenient to talk with ppl and understand them |
| 14:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: waiting is not really a problem |
| 14:45 |
|
owen |
And while we're making wishes: I'd love to be able to create "groups" of ccodes (or itemtypes) so that users could search for anything within a group |
| 14:46 |
|
kf |
I would be great to search for collections and item - at least on staff side |
| 14:46 |
|
kf |
I = It |
| 14:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: yes, I was thinking about that a few days ago |
| 14:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
I called it book sets |
| 14:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
the idea was that a book set coudl be created either manually (item-types or c-codes), or automatically by combining other book sets (by reunion, intersection, difference) |
| 14:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
So it would be possible for one book to belong to several book sets and one could build hierarchies of book sets |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
not sure how much sense this makes for you guys, newbies like me sometimes have crazy ideas |
| 14:50 |
|
owen |
Newbie ideas are often the best kind |
| 14:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 14:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
well... |
| 14:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
when I thought about it, simultaneously I told mself that if this idea was so good, certainly someone else would lready have had it, so it must be a not so good idea for some reason I couldn't see |
| 14:55 |
|
owen |
Many of the good ideas are too difficult to implement without funding |
| 14:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: k |
| 14:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
k, time for me to leave |
| 14:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: many thanks for all your help and patience, the conversaiton was awesome |
| 14:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
bye all |
| 14:59 |
|
owen |
Bye |Lupin| |
| 15:59 |
|
joetho |
Hello - I ask this question occasionally, and I keep hoping for THE answer: |
| 15:59 |
|
joetho |
Where do location codes come from? You know, digits 2-5 of a standard 14 digit barcode? |
| 16:00 |
|
pianohacker |
The barcode vendors themselves, I believe |
| 16:00 |
|
joetho |
I want someone to tell me about a centralized database to avoid potential conflicts and there doesn't seem to be one. |
| 16:01 |
|
pianohacker |
Nope! |
| 16:01 |
|
pianohacker |
Not to my knowledge anyway |
| 16:01 |
|
joetho |
It would make sense to do it regionally / AND by vendor /AND by consortium members etc etc |
| 16:02 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup, since you've only got 10,000 possible locations (I _hope_ there's more libraries than that in the US) |
| 16:02 |
|
jdavidb |
you're asking for good sense, joetho, and that is just not terribly common, unfortunately. |
| 16:02 |
|
joetho |
logreaders: please send any comments, enlightening or otherwise, to jtholen_at_sekls.org |
| 16:03 |
|
joetho |
I ask for good sense? |
| 16:03 |
|
joetho |
well of course I do because I DON'T HAVE ANY |
| 16:03 |
|
joetho |
ha ha ha ha |
| 16:03 |
|
pianohacker |
I think we're safe, so long as we keep you away from the dessert cart |
| 16:04 |
|
ebegin |
gmcharlt, about the welcome message, I specified to search the email archives also before posting, not just the website |
| 16:04 |
|
joetho |
Restaurants are created for our pleasure, however we may find it. |
| 16:04 |
|
joetho |
remember this, young man. |
| 16:05 |
|
pianohacker |
Remember that, when your next hamburger has an unpleasantly gooey texture |
| 16:05 |
|
ebegin |
gmcharlt, actually, I just added the link :) |
| 16:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
ebegin: cool |
| 16:07 |
|
ebegin |
gmcharlt, maybe we should also ad the IRC channel... ok give a link the this info... |
| 16:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
ebegin: good idea |
| 16:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
joetho: ain't no such central database nowadays |
| 16:14 |
|
joetho |
Who could I contact at my Koha Support Vendor World Headquarters to avoid location code conflicts with their clients? |
| 16:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Theoretically, any of the techies |
| 16:15 |
|
pianohacker |
But why? Unless you'll be ILLing books from them, it's no big deal, right? |
| 16:15 |
|
joetho |
I know who to contact regionally and in my state. |
| 16:15 |
|
joetho |
And no, phacker, it shouldn't be. |
| 16:16 |
|
joetho |
But we have a brandnew statewide courier and a lot of new union catalogs and I try to avoid messes wherever possible. |
| 16:17 |
|
joetho |
john- remember asking about "withdrawn" status? |
| 16:17 |
|
joetho |
sekjal is john, correct? |
| 16:18 |
|
sekjal |
no, sekjal is Ian. which is a form of John.... but that's probably not helpful |
| 16:18 |
|
joetho |
the sek threw me. Not South East Kansas, I take it. |
| 16:19 |
|
joetho |
sorry. My bad. |
| 16:19 |
|
sekjal |
NYU. No worries |
| 16:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: btw, the patch you tweeted about doesn't seem to have been received by koha-patches |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
yeah, I was watching the list, and didn't find it in my inbox. shall I resubmit? |
| 16:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: please |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
its nothing particularly wonderful |
| 16:22 |
|
sekjal |
ok |
| 16:24 |
|
schuster |
Barcode number tracking... computype... |
| 16:24 |
|
ebegin |
joetho, for avoiding location code, you could prefix that with your library id... if any |
| 16:25 |
|
sekjal |
serials question: where can I find out what the 'status' values mean? |
| 16:25 |
|
sekjal |
1 is expected |
| 16:25 |
|
sekjal |
2 is arrived |
| 16:25 |
|
sekjal |
what others exist? |
| 16:25 |
|
kf |
joetho: just saw your question - we discussed adding ISIL to be part of our barcodes in next system recently |
| 16:25 |
|
schuster |
When we first automated we used computype to track all of the ranges I think they charge $26 a year per location. We send all vendors looking for barcodes to them. |
| 16:25 |
|
ebegin |
sekjal, this is in the authorised valued, IIRC |
| 16:26 |
|
sekjal |
ebegin, I'm looking at Serials.pm, and a lot of it seems hard-coded |
| 16:26 |
|
schuster |
We "should" be the only library in the nation using X0126XXXXXXXXX - leading digit 2 or 3, 2 was patron 3 item. |
| 16:26 |
|
schuster |
We like this as often we transfer items between location permanently so if the barcode were printed with a location code then that would be physical evidence that is incorrect. |
| 16:27 |
|
kf |
ISIL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]ted_Organizations |
| 16:29 |
|
hdl_laptop |
sekjal: yes it is hardcoded. |
| 16:29 |
|
sekjal |
I'm seeing values 1-6 referenced in various parts of Serials.pm |
| 16:34 |
|
fredericd |
hi |
| 16:34 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello |
| 16:35 |
|
pianohacker |
sekjal: It might be like itemlost; the behavior of each number might be somewhat predetermined, but you can at least change their descriptions |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
here's my best guess at the meanings: |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
1 = expected |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
2 = arrived |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
3 = late |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
4 = missing |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
5 = .... something |
| 16:36 |
|
sekjal |
6 = claimed |
| 16:38 |
|
sekjal |
I'm asking because I'm looking at adding some support for sending things to bindery, and want to have a status that indicates 'at bindery' |
| 16:39 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you can find it in serials-edit.tmpl |
| 16:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But there is no "at bindery" |
| 16:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
status |
| 16:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi fredericd |
| 16:40 |
|
hdl_laptop |
reconciliation branch work in progress |
| 16:44 |
|
joetho |
sekjal- try adding a new authorized value to the "withdrawn" group. 0=plainvanilla circulates normally, 1=withdrawn (I changed mine to "in repair") and the new one 2=would be "in bindery" |
| 16:45 |
|
sekjal |
hdl_laptop: I see it, thanks! this answers my question completely |
| 16:46 |
|
sekjal |
joetho: hmmm, that might work, though only if the individual serials issues had item records, right? |
| 16:46 |
|
joetho |
correct |
| 16:46 |
|
joetho |
I think. |
| 16:46 |
|
joetho |
hmmmm. |
| 16:46 |
|
joetho |
too hard. |
| 16:47 |
|
sekjal |
I'd like to have the functionality where issues without an item record can be bundled together, marked as "at bindery", then later received from bindery and turned into an item |
| 16:47 |
|
joetho |
don't know, but I am pretty sure you are correct- item records required. |
| 16:47 |
|
joetho |
well my above sugfgestion would certainly work for books. |
| 16:48 |
|
joetho |
suugestion* |
| 16:48 |
|
sekjal |
definitely |
| 16:48 |
|
joetho |
sheeeeyut. I misspelled it twice. |
| 16:48 |
|
joetho |
"suuggestion" now known as "ideer" |
| 16:49 |
|
sekjal |
the new forest mammal by Apple? |
| 16:49 |
|
joetho |
no, the hillbilly spelling of "suggestion" |
| 16:49 |
|
jdavidb |
sekjal++ |
| 16:50 |
|
jdavidb |
I needed a laugh, thanks! |
| 16:50 |
|
joetho |
well you are certainly welcome. |
| 16:50 |
|
sekjal |
indeed |
| 16:50 |
|
joetho |
now what is the dBou method of marking serials as "in bindery"??? |
| 16:51 |
|
jdavidb |
I wouldn't laugh at your misspellings, joetho, 'cuz I do that too. Still, sekjal couldn't have made the joke without ya. Thanks! :) |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
that actually sounds pretty good |
| 16:52 |
|
jdavidb |
It does! |
| 16:52 |
|
sekjal |
I just ate, and now I'm hungry all over again! |
| 16:53 |
|
jdavidb |
Galen, since you inspired it, I'm gonna have to give you credit for calling it iVenison. So when Jobs gets pissed off, he'll come after *you*, and not me. |
| 16:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 16:57 |
|
joetho |
Somehow I am thinking we are all safe in this regard. Years ago I got a shirt from my mac guy that had "iJoey" embroidered on it. I was pretty cool back then. |
| 16:57 |
|
joetho |
back when I was a mac user. |
| 16:57 |
|
joetho |
Now I am PC. Yawn. |
| 17:25 |
|
ricardo |
Hi everyone! :) |
| 17:26 |
|
ricardo |
Is there a "good" field (tag / subfield) in UNIMARC (or MARC 21) for "cataloging level" for a record? Meaning... "this record is either FULLY cataloged, or is PARTIALLY cataloged, or..."? Does Koha have any built-in logic for that? |
| 17:27 |
|
pianohacker |
ricardo: Does UNIMARC have a leader, like MARC21? If so, there might be something there |
| 17:28 |
|
sekjal |
in the MARC21 leader, its character 17. http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html |
| 17:28 |
|
sekjal |
not sure about UNIMARC |
| 17:28 |
|
ricardo |
pianohacker: Hi pianohacker (Jesse, right?). Well, yes, UNIMARC *does* have a Leader, although I'd prefer NOT to touch that field :) But thanks for the tip. I'll check |
| 17:29 |
|
ricardo |
sekjal: Thanks to you too :) |
| 17:35 |
|
ricardo |
pianohacker: / sejkal: OK. The closest I found was: |
| 17:35 |
|
ricardo |
Unimarc, Bibliographic, 2.3, English, Record Label |
| 17:35 |
|
ricardo |
http://www.unimarc.info/bibliographic/2.3/en/000 |
| 17:36 |
|
ricardo |
Namely the 1-character position for "(2)Record status" |
| 17:37 |
|
sekjal |
7.a looks like a possibility, too |
| 17:38 |
|
ricardo |
sekjal: Oops... You're right. I was looking at that - "(7.a) Encoding level" - right now |
| 17:38 |
|
ricardo |
Thanks :) |
| 17:38 |
|
ricardo |
Anyway, I think this will not suit me easily for a data migration that I need to do :( |
| 17:38 |
|
sekjal |
gladly. When I was in library school, I never thought I'd be staring this closely at MARC records again |
| 17:39 |
|
ricardo |
sekjal: You're lucky... I *never* was in a Library School, so I *never* thought that I would have to look at MARC records ever! :D |
| 17:42 |
|
thd |
atz: are you present? |
| 17:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: patch still hasn't shown up - could you try sending to koha-patches lists.koha.org instead of patcheskoha.org |
| 17:46 |
|
sekjal |
gmcharlt: sure |
| 17:47 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Hi Galen! Has any patch been committed in the last 8 days? Looking at http://git.koha.org it seems that it hasn't, right? |
| 17:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: no, not yet - i'll been processing the backlog in the next few days |
| 17:48 |
|
jwagner |
Does anyone know offhand what QueryWeightFields syspref does, and if turning it off will have harmful or undesirable effects? See bug #2560 on language searching -- I just figured out that turning this syspref off fixes my language searching problem (not sure about other peoples' problems), but want to know the implications before I do it on a production system. |
| 17:48 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2560 major, P3, ---, jmfliblime.com, ASSIGNED, Advanced search on Language (from pulldown) does not work |
| 17:48 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: OK, no problem. Thanks for the feedback :) |
| 17:53 |
|
sekjal |
gmcharlt: I think my dev machine may not be properly configured (wouldn't surprise me). |
| 17:54 |
|
sekjal |
I'm getting the patch on my work machine, but not in my gmail |
| 17:57 |
|
sekjal |
redirected through my machine. hopefully that did it |
| 17:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: yeah, got that version |
| 18:00 |
|
ricardo |
sejkal: Your patch is for what? (just curious) |
| 18:00 |
|
sekjal |
adding a field to the New Vendor page for 'account number' |
| 18:01 |
|
sekjal |
there was a field in the database, but no way to fill it |
| 18:01 |
|
sekjal |
we need it here for exporting EDI to our check-writing folks |
| 18:03 |
|
ricardo |
sekjal: OK. And when did you send it? |
| 18:03 |
|
sekjal |
originally, yesterday |
| 18:03 |
|
ricardo |
sekjal: Do you remember the subject that you used? |
| 18:04 |
|
sekjal |
Vendor accountnumber field added |
| 18:04 |
|
sekjal |
I think I have a mis-configuration in my dev machine's email sending |
| 18:04 |
|
sekjal |
ah, crap, late for a meeting! |
| 18:05 |
|
ricardo |
It happens ;-) |
| 18:06 |
|
ricardo |
OK. I see that sejkal has re-sent his patch: |
| 18:07 |
|
ricardo |
[Koha-patches] [PATCH] Vendor accountnumber field added |
| 18:07 |
|
ricardo |
http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]-July/003925.html |
| 18:08 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: "Git" question - does git's "cherry pick" work well for applying changes in a line of a file to *other branch* where there were already *other changes* for that file? |
| 18:09 |
|
ricardo |
(I don't know if that was clear enough... ) |
| 18:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: yes, works fairly well |
| 18:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: there can be merge conflicts |
| 18:15 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Right... That's what I thought. Thanks |
| 18:24 |
|
Snow_Fox |
has anyone seen the sys specs for the supposed chrome OS from google? |
| 18:24 |
|
Snow_Fox |
or is it not even that far yet |
| 18:28 |
|
jdavidb |
Probably not that far yet; The press release just says it'll be targetted at netbooks first. |
| 18:34 |
|
ricardo |
owen: LOL! |
| 19:37 |
|
chris |
heya jdavidb found all the good coffee shops yet? |
| 19:37 |
|
jdavidb |
Several. And restaurants! zomg. Had pho last night, at a wonderful Vietnamese place just a block from my house. First time, and I'm hooked. |
| 19:38 |
|
chris |
excellent :) |
| 19:38 |
|
jdavidb |
Sold my pickup, and now take public transit everywhere. It just works. |
| 19:39 |
|
chris |
even better |
| 19:39 |
|
owen |
jdavidb: Did you just relocate? |
| 19:39 |
|
jdavidb |
yeah, owen. I live in the Washington, DC area. Big change, for a lifelong Texan. |
| 19:39 |
|
chris |
heya owen, hows the littluns? |
| 19:39 |
|
owen |
They're good, how 'bout you? |
| 19:41 |
|
chris |
had a bit of a restless night last night, Atarau got his 6 week immunisations yesterday, so had sore thighs |
| 19:41 |
|
chris |
and kahurangi was trying to convince me there was a lion in his room |
| 19:41 |
|
owen |
:D |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
by yelling "oh no, lion, RAAAWWWRRR" |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
"kahu sleep with daddy?" |
| 19:42 |
|
owen |
Thatcher has been talking a lot about ghosts lately, but luckily that hasn't translated into nighttime issues. I'm not sure he even knows what a ghost is |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
yeah, kahu isnt scared, just tries every excuse he can think of to get out of bed... but he knows he cant until the sun comes up, so you have to open the curtain and say look its still night, and he gives up trying |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
he has some good ones |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
"grandma is in the lounge waiting", "i need toast" ... but the lion one is new |
| 19:45 |
|
owen |
"grandma is in the lounge waiting" ? |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
yeah apparently she sneaked in at 2am or something |
| 19:50 |
|
chris |
oh and the fish you sent for kahurangi has been passed on :) |
| 19:50 |
|
chris |
right off to catch the bus |
| 19:58 |
|
owen |
An experiment with interacting with collection codes: http://myacpl.org/koha/example[…]h-2009-07-08.html |
| 19:59 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure how one would abstract it, but all the changes could be added through normal Koha customization options |
| 19:59 |
|
owen |
(hard-coding your itemtype/ccodes and categories) |
| 20:35 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
back, caffeinated |
| 20:48 |
|
Snow_Fox |
caffeination |
| 20:48 |
|
Snow_Fox |
always good |
| 20:58 |
|
mib_we5nnv |
need more caffeine |
| 20:58 |
|
mib_we5nnv |
need Friday |
| 21:00 |
|
rhcl |
@seen coffee |
| 21:00 |
|
munin |
rhcl: I have not seen coffee. |
| 21:01 |
|
Snow_Fox |
www.thinkgeek.com |
| 21:01 |
|
Snow_Fox |
coffee |
| 21:01 |
|
Snow_Fox |
balls soda |
| 21:01 |
|
Snow_Fox |
caffeinated soap |
| 21:06 |
|
Snow_Fox |
did the koha demo go belly up? |
| 21:07 |
|
chris |
the liblime one? |
| 21:08 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ya |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
http://public.demo.kohalibrary.com/ ? |
| 21:08 |
|
chris |
seems ok for me |
| 21:09 |
|
Snow_Fox |
figures |
| 21:10 |
|
Snow_Fox |
working now |
| 21:10 |
|
Snow_Fox |
weirdness |
| 23:13 |
|
pianohacker |
bye, all |
| 01:38 |
|
snail |
If I wanted to add support for another underlying data format (i.e. not MARC21 / UNIMARC but an XML-based one) where would I be looking to do that ? In the koha source or the zebra source? |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
hi all good morning |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
hi Jo, chris |
| 03:31 |
|
Jo |
morning AMit |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
morning Jo |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
how is life |
| 04:08 |
|
thd |
chris: are you there? |
| 04:13 |
|
Amit |
hi thd |
| 04:13 |
|
thd |
hello Amit |
| 04:21 |
|
thd |
Amit: What is the subject thesaurus in use at BPL for creating subject headings. |
| 04:21 |
|
thd |
? |
| 04:22 |
|
Amit |
thd: Wait i m checking DPL server |
| 04:24 |
|
Amit |
thd: what is BPL |
| 04:25 |
|
thd |
s/BPL/DPL/ |
| 04:27 |
|
thd |
BPL which I did not mean might be Brooklyn Public Library in New York City. They use Library of Congress Subject Headings as a standard for subject headings. |
| 04:27 |
|
thd |
Amit: What does DPL use as a standard for subject headings? |
| 04:28 |
|
Amit |
they use DDC |
| 04:28 |
|
Amit |
thd: i think let me check for confirmation |
| 04:29 |
|
thd |
Amit: yes they use DDC for classification but subject headings and classification are related but not necessarily identical |
| 04:29 |
|
Amit |
thd: i m coming wait |
| 06:47 |
|
Amit |
hi kf, nicomo |
| 06:47 |
|
nicomo |
hi Amit (and kf and all) |
| 06:59 |
|
kf |
hi Amit, nicomo and all #koha |
| 07:02 |
|
thd |
Amit: In MARC 21, the subject headings are in 650 if topical or 6XX generally. 82 or a holdings field is for DDC. |
| 07:03 |
|
thd |
Amit: I cannot read the script for the subject headings at DPL so I have no means of guessing the thesaurus. |
| 08:07 |
|
chris |
good morning europe |
| 08:12 |
|
kf |
good morning chris :) |
| 08:13 |
|
paul_p |
good night chris ;-) |
| 08:13 |
|
paul_p |
hi kf |
| 08:13 |
|
kf |
hi paul |
| 08:14 |
|
kf |
we need to talk more, so chris cant complain again about silent europeans ;) |
| 08:16 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 08:16 |
|
kf |
oh, found a note on my desk: does bulk deleting patron records look for fines and checkouts too? |
| 08:18 |
|
kf |
ok, nobody sure about it? will test it later then |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
hmm dont know the answer to that one |
| 08:19 |
|
soul9 |
good day |
| 08:20 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kf: no. |
| 08:21 |
|
kf |
oh |
| 08:21 |
|
kf |
no as in just deleting every borrower? |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
git branch -v |
| 09:26 |
|
chris |
my3.0.x 717c0dd [ahead 2] Fix for advanced search |
| 09:26 |
|
chris |
very cool |
| 09:37 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kf: no as just delete borrowers. |
| 09:37 |
|
hdl_laptop |
No checks. |
| 09:47 |
|
kf |
hdl_laptop: thx! |
| 09:48 |
|
kf |
hdl_laptop: its better to know that |
| 09:48 |
|
hdl_laptop |
no problem |
| 10:07 |
|
sab |
hello there |
| 10:08 |
|
sab |
i just restore backup for my test machine on koha |
| 10:08 |
|
sab |
but now when i m serching for a book ...not getting any output |
| 10:08 |
|
sab |
can anybody please tell me what could be the reason |
| 10:09 |
|
sab |
and how could i fix this problem |
| 10:09 |
|
sab |
?? |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
what version of koha? |
| 10:09 |
|
sab |
3 |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
using zebra? |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
if so, have you run rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 10:09 |
|
sab |
no |
| 10:09 |
|
sab |
just installed with no zebra |
| 10:10 |
|
chris |
you could try rebuild_nozebra.pl then |
| 10:10 |
|
sab |
but from where i took backup ...that machine was runnig with zebra |
| 10:10 |
|
sab |
ok |
| 10:10 |
|
sab |
thank u chris |
| 10:11 |
|
sab |
chris what will be the command |
| 10:11 |
|
sab |
can u please tell me the command? |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
rebuild_nozebra.pl |
| 10:11 |
|
sab |
ok |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
its in misc/migration_tools |
| 10:12 |
|
sab |
i m facing another problem with my test koha machine |
| 10:13 |
|
sab |
i hv to delete cookies each time to get the result |
| 10:13 |
|
chris |
its probably best to have your test machine running the same as the other, ie you probably should run zebra too |
| 10:13 |
|
chris |
otherwise it wont be a valid test |
| 10:13 |
|
sab |
ok |
| 10:14 |
|
sab |
my rebuild_nozebra.pl is not working |
| 10:14 |
|
sab |
giving thsi o/p..............bash: rebuild_nozebra.pl: command not found |
| 10:26 |
|
sab |
chris ....as I installed koha with no zebra there is no migration file |
| 10:27 |
|
sab |
in this circumstances how cuold i solve the prblem |
| 10:27 |
|
sab |
because i m not getting any rebuld|_nozebra.pl on misc |
| 10:55 |
|
sab |
i m trying this comman........... ./rebuild_nozebra.pl |
| 10:55 |
|
sab |
but getting this o/p ....Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. |
| 10:55 |
|
sab |
can anybody please tell me why this happening? |
| 10:56 |
|
kf |
export environment variables |
| 10:58 |
|
kf |
in standard installation on ubuntu it looks like: export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
| 10:58 |
|
kf |
export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib |
| 11:00 |
|
kf |
lunch time :) |
| 11:03 |
|
paul_p |
lunch time in France too... |
| 11:50 |
|
kf |
back |
| 11:53 |
|
Amit |
hi jwagner |
| 11:59 |
|
jwagner |
Hi Amit |
