Time Nick Message 11:59 jwagner Hi Amit 11:53 Amit hi jwagner 11:50 kf back 11:03 paul_p lunch time in France too... 11:00 kf lunch time :) 10:58 kf export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 10:58 kf in standard installation on ubuntu it looks like: export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 10:56 kf export environment variables 10:55 sab can anybody please tell me why this happening? 10:55 sab but getting this o/p ....Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. 10:55 sab i m trying this comman........... ./rebuild_nozebra.pl 10:27 sab because i m not getting any rebuld|_nozebra.pl on misc 10:27 sab in this circumstances how cuold i solve the prblem 10:26 sab chris ....as I installed koha with no zebra there is no migration file 10:14 sab giving thsi o/p..............bash: rebuild_nozebra.pl: command not found 10:14 sab my rebuild_nozebra.pl is not working 10:13 sab ok 10:13 chris otherwise it wont be a valid test 10:13 chris its probably best to have your test machine running the same as the other, ie you probably should run zebra too 10:13 sab i hv to delete cookies each time to get the result 10:12 sab i m facing another problem with my test koha machine 10:12 chris its in misc/migration_tools 10:11 sab ok 10:11 chris rebuild_nozebra.pl 10:11 sab can u please tell me the command? 10:11 sab chris what will be the command 10:10 sab thank u chris 10:10 sab ok 10:10 sab but from where i took backup ...that machine was runnig with zebra 10:10 chris you could try rebuild_nozebra.pl then 10:09 sab just installed with no zebra 10:09 sab no 10:09 chris if so, have you run rebuild_zebra.pl 10:09 chris using zebra? 10:09 sab 3 10:09 chris what version of koha? 10:09 sab ?? 10:09 sab and how could i fix this problem 10:08 sab can anybody please tell me what could be the reason 10:08 sab but now when i m serching for a book ...not getting any output 10:08 sab i just restore backup for my test machine on koha 10:07 sab hello there 09:48 hdl_laptop no problem 09:48 kf hdl_laptop: its better to know that 09:47 kf hdl_laptop: thx! 09:37 hdl_laptop No checks. 09:37 hdl_laptop kf: no as just delete borrowers. 09:26 chris very cool 09:26 chris my3.0.x 717c0dd [ahead 2] Fix for advanced search 09:23 chris git branch -v 08:21 kf no as in just deleting every borrower? 08:21 kf oh 08:20 hdl_laptop kf: no. 08:19 soul9 good day 08:18 chris hmm dont know the answer to that one 08:18 kf ok, nobody sure about it? will test it later then 08:16 kf oh, found a note on my desk: does bulk deleting patron records look for fines and checkouts too? 08:16 chris hehe 08:14 kf we need to talk more, so chris cant complain again about silent europeans ;) 08:13 kf hi paul 08:13 paul_p hi kf 08:13 paul_p good night chris ;-) 08:12 kf good morning chris :) 08:07 chris good morning europe 07:03 thd Amit: I cannot read the script for the subject headings at DPL so I have no means of guessing the thesaurus. 07:02 thd Amit: In MARC 21, the subject headings are in 650 if topical or 6XX generally. 82 or a holdings field is for DDC. 06:59 kf hi Amit, nicomo and all #koha 06:47 nicomo hi Amit (and kf and all) 06:47 Amit hi kf, nicomo 04:29 Amit thd: i m coming wait 04:29 thd Amit: yes they use DDC for classification but subject headings and classification are related but not necessarily identical 04:28 Amit thd: i think let me check for confirmation 04:28 Amit they use DDC 04:27 thd Amit: What does DPL use as a standard for subject headings? 04:27 thd BPL which I did not mean might be Brooklyn Public Library in New York City. They use Library of Congress Subject Headings as a standard for subject headings. 04:25 thd s/BPL/DPL/ 04:24 Amit thd: what is BPL 04:22 Amit thd: Wait i m checking DPL server 04:21 thd ? 04:21 thd Amit: What is the subject thesaurus in use at BPL for creating subject headings. 04:13 thd hello Amit 04:13 Amit hi thd 04:08 thd chris: are you there? 03:31 Amit how is life 03:31 Amit morning Jo 03:31 Jo morning AMit 03:31 Amit hi Jo, chris 03:30 Amit hi all good morning 01:38 snail If I wanted to add support for another underlying data format (i.e. not MARC21 / UNIMARC but an XML-based one) where would I be looking to do that ? In the koha source or the zebra source? 23:13 pianohacker bye, all 21:10 Snow_Fox weirdness 21:10 Snow_Fox working now 21:09 Snow_Fox figures 21:08 chris seems ok for me 21:08 chris http://public.demo.kohalibrary.com/ ? 21:08 Snow_Fox ya 21:07 chris the liblime one? 21:06 Snow_Fox did the koha demo go belly up? 21:01 Snow_Fox caffeinated soap 21:01 Snow_Fox balls soda 21:01 Snow_Fox coffee 21:01 Snow_Fox www.thinkgeek.com 21:00 munin rhcl: I have not seen coffee. 21:00 rhcl @seen coffee 20:58 mib_we5nnv need Friday 20:58 mib_we5nnv need more caffeine 20:48 Snow_Fox always good 20:48 Snow_Fox caffeination 20:44 chris back, caffeinated 20:35 richard hi 19:59 owen (hard-coding your itemtype/ccodes and categories) 19:59 owen I'm not sure how one would abstract it, but all the changes could be added through normal Koha customization options 19:58 owen An experiment with interacting with collection codes: http://myacpl.org/koha/examples/opac-advanced-search-2009-07-08.html 19:50 chris right off to catch the bus 19:50 chris oh and the fish you sent for kahurangi has been passed on :) 19:46 chris yeah apparently she sneaked in at 2am or something 19:45 owen "grandma is in the lounge waiting" ? 19:45 chris "grandma is in the lounge waiting", "i need toast" ... but the lion one is new 19:45 chris he has some good ones 19:44 chris yeah, kahu isnt scared, just tries every excuse he can think of to get out of bed... but he knows he cant until the sun comes up, so you have to open the curtain and say look its still night, and he gives up trying 19:42 owen Thatcher has been talking a lot about ghosts lately, but luckily that hasn't translated into nighttime issues. I'm not sure he even knows what a ghost is 19:42 chris "kahu sleep with daddy?" 19:42 chris by yelling "oh no, lion, RAAAWWWRRR" 19:41 owen :D 19:41 chris and kahurangi was trying to convince me there was a lion in his room 19:41 chris had a bit of a restless night last night, Atarau got his 6 week immunisations yesterday, so had sore thighs 19:39 owen They're good, how 'bout you? 19:39 chris heya owen, hows the littluns? 19:39 jdavidb yeah, owen. I live in the Washington, DC area. Big change, for a lifelong Texan. 19:39 owen jdavidb: Did you just relocate? 19:39 chris even better 19:38 jdavidb Sold my pickup, and now take public transit everywhere. It just works. 19:38 chris excellent :) 19:37 jdavidb Several. And restaurants! zomg. Had pho last night, at a wonderful Vietnamese place just a block from my house. First time, and I'm hooked. 19:37 chris heya jdavidb found all the good coffee shops yet? 18:34 ricardo owen: LOL! 18:28 jdavidb Probably not that far yet; The press release just says it'll be targetted at netbooks first. 18:24 Snow_Fox or is it not even that far yet 18:24 Snow_Fox has anyone seen the sys specs for the supposed chrome OS from google? 18:15 ricardo gmcharlt: Right... That's what I thought. Thanks 18:11 gmcharlt ricardo: there can be merge conflicts 18:11 gmcharlt ricardo: yes, works fairly well 18:09 ricardo (I don't know if that was clear enough... ) 18:08 ricardo gmcharlt: "Git" question - does git's "cherry pick" work well for applying changes in a line of a file to *other branch* where there were already *other changes* for that file? 18:07 ricardo http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-July/003925.html 18:07 ricardo [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Vendor accountnumber field added 18:06 ricardo OK. I see that sejkal has re-sent his patch: 18:05 ricardo It happens ;-) 18:04 sekjal ah, crap, late for a meeting! 18:04 sekjal I think I have a mis-configuration in my dev machine's email sending 18:04 sekjal Vendor accountnumber field added 18:03 ricardo sekjal: Do you remember the subject that you used? 18:03 sekjal originally, yesterday 18:03 ricardo sekjal: OK. And when did you send it? 18:01 sekjal we need it here for exporting EDI to our check-writing folks 18:01 sekjal there was a field in the database, but no way to fill it 18:00 sekjal adding a field to the New Vendor page for 'account number' 18:00 ricardo sejkal: Your patch is for what? (just curious) 17:58 gmcharlt sekjal: yeah, got that version 17:57 sekjal redirected through my machine. hopefully that did it 17:54 sekjal I'm getting the patch on my work machine, but not in my gmail 17:53 sekjal gmcharlt: I think my dev machine may not be properly configured (wouldn't surprise me). 17:48 ricardo gmcharlt: OK, no problem. Thanks for the feedback :) 17:48 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2560 major, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, ASSIGNED, Advanced search on Language (from pulldown) does not work 17:48 jwagner Does anyone know offhand what QueryWeightFields syspref does, and if turning it off will have harmful or undesirable effects? See bug #2560 on language searching -- I just figured out that turning this syspref off fixes my language searching problem (not sure about other peoples' problems), but want to know the implications before I do it on a production system. 17:47 gmcharlt ricardo: no, not yet - i'll been processing the backlog in the next few days 17:47 ricardo gmcharlt: Hi Galen! Has any patch been committed in the last 8 days? Looking at http://git.koha.org it seems that it hasn't, right? 17:46 sekjal gmcharlt: sure 17:43 gmcharlt sekjal: patch still hasn't shown up - could you try sending to koha-patches@lists.koha.org instead of patches@koha.org 17:42 thd atz: are you present? 17:39 ricardo sekjal: You're lucky... I *never* was in a Library School, so I *never* thought that I would have to look at MARC records ever! :D 17:38 sekjal gladly. When I was in library school, I never thought I'd be staring this closely at MARC records again 17:38 ricardo Anyway, I think this will not suit me easily for a data migration that I need to do :( 17:38 ricardo Thanks :) 17:38 ricardo sekjal: Oops... You're right. I was looking at that - "(7.a) Encoding level" - right now 17:37 sekjal 7.a looks like a possibility, too 17:36 ricardo Namely the 1-character position for "(2) Record status" 17:35 ricardo http://www.unimarc.info/bibliographic/2.3/en/000 17:35 ricardo Unimarc, Bibliographic, 2.3, English, Record Label 17:35 ricardo pianohacker: / sejkal: OK. The closest I found was: 17:29 ricardo sekjal: Thanks to you too :) 17:28 ricardo pianohacker: Hi pianohacker (Jesse, right?). Well, yes, UNIMARC *does* have a Leader, although I'd prefer NOT to touch that field :) But thanks for the tip. I'll check 17:28 sekjal not sure about UNIMARC 17:28 sekjal in the MARC21 leader, its character 17. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html 17:27 pianohacker ricardo: Does UNIMARC have a leader, like MARC21? If so, there might be something there 17:26 ricardo Is there a "good" field (tag / subfield) in UNIMARC (or MARC 21) for "cataloging level" for a record? Meaning... "this record is either FULLY cataloged, or is PARTIALLY cataloged, or..."? Does Koha have any built-in logic for that? 17:25 ricardo Hi everyone! :) 16:57 joetho Now I am PC. Yawn. 16:57 joetho back when I was a mac user. 16:57 joetho Somehow I am thinking we are all safe in this regard. Years ago I got a shirt from my mac guy that had "iJoey" embroidered on it. I was pretty cool back then. 16:54 gmcharlt heh 16:53 jdavidb Galen, since you inspired it, I'm gonna have to give you credit for calling it iVenison. So when Jobs gets pissed off, he'll come after *you*, and not me. 16:52 sekjal I just ate, and now I'm hungry all over again! 16:52 jdavidb It does! 16:52 gmcharlt that actually sounds pretty good 16:51 jdavidb I wouldn't laugh at your misspellings, joetho, 'cuz I do that too. Still, sekjal couldn't have made the joke without ya. Thanks! :) 16:50 joetho now what is the dBou method of marking serials as "in bindery"??? 16:50 sekjal indeed 16:50 joetho well you are certainly welcome. 16:50 jdavidb I needed a laugh, thanks! 16:49 jdavidb sekjal++ 16:49 joetho no, the hillbilly spelling of "suggestion" 16:49 sekjal the new forest mammal by Apple? 16:48 joetho "suuggestion" now known as "ideer" 16:48 joetho sheeeeyut. I misspelled it twice. 16:48 sekjal definitely 16:48 joetho suugestion* 16:47 joetho well my above sugfgestion would certainly work for books. 16:47 joetho don't know, but I am pretty sure you are correct- item records required. 16:47 sekjal I'd like to have the functionality where issues without an item record can be bundled together, marked as "at bindery", then later received from bindery and turned into an item 16:46 joetho too hard. 16:46 joetho hmmmm. 16:46 joetho I think. 16:46 joetho correct 16:46 sekjal joetho: hmmm, that might work, though only if the individual serials issues had item records, right? 16:45 sekjal hdl_laptop: I see it, thanks! this answers my question completely 16:44 joetho sekjal- try adding a new authorized value to the "withdrawn" group. 0=plainvanilla circulates normally, 1=withdrawn (I changed mine to "in repair") and the new one 2=would be "in bindery" 16:40 hdl_laptop reconciliation branch work in progress 16:40 hdl_laptop hi fredericd 16:40 hdl_laptop status 16:40 hdl_laptop But there is no "at bindery" 16:39 hdl_laptop you can find it in serials-edit.tmpl 16:38 sekjal I'm asking because I'm looking at adding some support for sending things to bindery, and want to have a status that indicates 'at bindery' 16:36 sekjal 6 = claimed 16:36 sekjal 5 = .... something 16:36 sekjal 4 = missing 16:36 sekjal 3 = late 16:36 sekjal 2 = arrived 16:36 sekjal 1 = expected 16:36 sekjal here's my best guess at the meanings: 16:35 pianohacker sekjal: It might be like itemlost; the behavior of each number might be somewhat predetermined, but you can at least change their descriptions 16:34 pianohacker Hello 16:34 fredericd hi 16:29 sekjal I'm seeing values 1-6 referenced in various parts of Serials.pm 16:29 hdl_laptop sekjal: yes it is hardcoded. 16:27 kf ISIL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Identifier_for_Libraries_and_Related_Organizations 16:26 schuster We like this as often we transfer items between location permanently so if the barcode were printed with a location code then that would be physical evidence that is incorrect. 16:26 schuster We "should" be the only library in the nation using X0126XXXXXXXXX - leading digit 2 or 3, 2 was patron 3 item. 16:26 sekjal ebegin, I'm looking at Serials.pm, and a lot of it seems hard-coded 16:25 ebegin sekjal, this is in the authorised valued, IIRC 16:25 schuster When we first automated we used computype to track all of the ranges I think they charge $26 a year per location. We send all vendors looking for barcodes to them. 16:25 kf joetho: just saw your question - we discussed adding ISIL to be part of our barcodes in next system recently 16:25 sekjal what others exist? 16:25 sekjal 2 is arrived 16:25 sekjal 1 is expected 16:25 sekjal serials question: where can I find out what the 'status' values mean? 16:24 ebegin joetho, for avoiding location code, you could prefix that with your library id... if any 16:24 schuster Barcode number tracking... computype... 16:22 sekjal ok 16:22 sekjal its nothing particularly wonderful 16:22 gmcharlt sekjal: please 16:22 sekjal yeah, I was watching the list, and didn't find it in my inbox. shall I resubmit? 16:21 gmcharlt sekjal: btw, the patch you tweeted about doesn't seem to have been received by koha-patches 16:19 sekjal NYU. No worries 16:19 joetho sorry. My bad. 16:18 joetho the sek threw me. Not South East Kansas, I take it. 16:18 sekjal no, sekjal is Ian. which is a form of John.... but that's probably not helpful 16:17 joetho sekjal is john, correct? 16:17 joetho john- remember asking about "withdrawn" status? 16:16 joetho But we have a brandnew statewide courier and a lot of new union catalogs and I try to avoid messes wherever possible. 16:15 joetho And no, phacker, it shouldn't be. 16:15 joetho I know who to contact regionally and in my state. 16:15 pianohacker But why? Unless you'll be ILLing books from them, it's no big deal, right? 16:14 pianohacker Theoretically, any of the techies 16:14 joetho Who could I contact at my Koha Support Vendor World Headquarters to avoid location code conflicts with their clients? 16:10 gmcharlt joetho: ain't no such central database nowadays 16:08 gmcharlt ebegin: good idea 16:07 ebegin gmcharlt, maybe we should also ad the IRC channel... ok give a link the this info... 16:06 gmcharlt ebegin: cool 16:05 ebegin gmcharlt, actually, I just added the link :) 16:05 pianohacker Remember that, when your next hamburger has an unpleasantly gooey texture 16:04 joetho remember this, young man. 16:04 joetho Restaurants are created for our pleasure, however we may find it. 16:04 ebegin gmcharlt, about the welcome message, I specified to search the email archives also before posting, not just the website 16:03 pianohacker I think we're safe, so long as we keep you away from the dessert cart 16:03 joetho ha ha ha ha 16:03 joetho well of course I do because I DON'T HAVE ANY 16:03 joetho I ask for good sense? 16:02 joetho logreaders: please send any comments, enlightening or otherwise, to jtholen_at_sekls.org 16:02 jdavidb you're asking for good sense, joetho, and that is just not terribly common, unfortunately. 16:02 pianohacker Yup, since you've only got 10,000 possible locations (I _hope_ there's more libraries than that in the US) 16:01 joetho It would make sense to do it regionally / AND by vendor /AND by consortium members etc etc 16:01 pianohacker Not to my knowledge anyway 16:01 pianohacker Nope! 16:00 joetho I want someone to tell me about a centralized database to avoid potential conflicts and there doesn't seem to be one. 16:00 pianohacker The barcode vendors themselves, I believe 15:59 joetho Where do location codes come from? You know, digits 2-5 of a standard 14 digit barcode? 15:59 joetho Hello - I ask this question occasionally, and I keep hoping for THE answer: 14:59 owen Bye |Lupin| 14:58 |Lupin| bye all 14:58 |Lupin| owen: many thanks for all your help and patience, the conversaiton was awesome 14:58 |Lupin| k, time for me to leave 14:55 |Lupin| owen: k 14:55 owen Many of the good ideas are too difficult to implement without funding 14:54 |Lupin| when I thought about it, simultaneously I told mself that if this idea was so good, certainly someone else would lready have had it, so it must be a not so good idea for some reason I couldn't see 14:53 |Lupin| well... 14:53 |Lupin| :) 14:50 owen Newbie ideas are often the best kind 14:49 |Lupin| not sure how much sense this makes for you guys, newbies like me sometimes have crazy ideas 14:48 |Lupin| So it would be possible for one book to belong to several book sets and one could build hierarchies of book sets 14:48 |Lupin| the idea was that a book set coudl be created either manually (item-types or c-codes), or automatically by combining other book sets (by reunion, intersection, difference) 14:47 |Lupin| I called it book sets 14:47 |Lupin| owen: yes, I was thinking about that a few days ago 14:46 kf I = It 14:46 kf I would be great to search for collections and item - at least on staff side 14:45 owen And while we're making wishes: I'd love to be able to create "groups" of ccodes (or itemtypes) so that users could search for anything within a group 14:45 |Lupin| owen: waiting is not really a problem 14:45 |Lupin| owen: btw thanks a lot for having taught me the graphical terminology, much more convenient to talk with ppl and understand them 14:44 |Lupin| so one should be able to configure what is used to search (item-types, ccodes, both, none), and for each of them how it is presented, either grid or drop-down. 14:44 owen But for that you have to wait! 14:43 |Lupin| owen: yes ! That was what I had in mind. 14:43 owen But I suppose ideally it would be completely configurable 14:43 owen This way at least the library can prioritize 14:42 owen For many libraries even one grid is too cumbersome because of the great many choices they have 14:41 |Lupin| owen: now, why were you suggesting that the pref which is not selected should appear in a drop-down ? why not have two grids ? 14:41 |Lupin| okay 14:41 owen Grid. 14:40 |Lupin| owen: right, but how ? grid or drop-down ? 14:40 owen If my opac was configured to allow a search by item-types, our item-types would show up in place of all the collection codes 14:39 |Lupin| owen: okay. And if your opac was configured to allow a search by item-types, this wold be a grid, too, right ? 14:39 owen Yes 14:39 |Lupin| owen: and this is what ou caled the grid ? 14:38 joetho hello 14:38 owen |Lupin|: Yes 14:37 |Lupin| hi joetho 14:37 |Lupin| ok, so the "Limit to any of the following" is represented in lynx by a succession of checkboxes, so each can be either checked or unchecked. These are your collection codes, right ? 14:36 owen Hi joetho 14:34 |Lupin| owen: ok, no problem, thanks! 14:34 owen I must warn you, we have way too many collection codes! It makes quite a list 14:34 owen You can try my library's: http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 14:32 |Lupin| owen: is there one you could suggest ? 14:32 |Lupin| oh but actually I could try any opac in english ! 14:32 |Lupin| owen: unfortunately not 14:31 owen Do you have a publicly accessible OPAC? 14:31 |Lupin| owen: for the moment my staff client is in french so it's not obvious which things you are talking about. Is there an easy way to switch between french and english ? 14:29 owen I'm curious which is easier for you to interact with, the list of "Limit to any of the following" choices or the "Location and availability" choice. 14:26 owen "select menu" ? 14:26 owen Obviously "drop-down" is a name based on its visual behavior...I'm not sure what the vision-agnostic term would be! :) 14:25 owen I'm saying that even if we display itemtype in that section, couldn't we also offer the choice to limit by ccode using a drop-down menu such as is used by the "location and availability" choice. 14:24 owen That's the "grid" (displayed in a table in graphical browsers) 14:24 owen We're talking about the area of the advanced search screen labeled "Limit to any of the following" 14:22 |Lupin| owen: thanks :) 14:21 |Lupin| owen: I don't nderstand the drop-down and grid things you are explaining, probably because I can't see the graphical presentaiton of the advanced search page. Would you mind explaining, pls ? 14:18 owen But we could still display the other choices as a drop-down when the admin chooses which limiter to use in the grid 14:18 owen gmcharlt: I suspect it was largely the desire to offer the grid of icons for search limiting 14:16 |Lupin| gmcharlt: sure. I was just trying to propose something that cold be implemented quickly... 14:16 gmcharlt |Lupin|: there could be, yes, although multi-val syspref support would be even nicer 14:16 |Lupin| ah these kind of events take place... good to know... 14:15 gmcharlt created during a "development week" event 14:15 |Lupin| gmcharlt: couldn't there be a "both" sys pref ? 14:15 gmcharlt |Lupin|: dev_week is essentially an intermediate between 2.2 and 3.0 14:15 |Lupin| what's dev_week ? a special tag in Koha's git repository ? corresopnding to what ? 14:15 gmcharlt owen: there's no particular reason behind it other than that it was probably quicker to do it that way at the time, since sysprefs currently can't hold multiple active values 14:14 |Lupin| well in the worst case (a wron cataloguing decision), I assume it'll always be possible to export Koha's database in MARC, do something to it and import it again... 14:14 owen gmcharlt: Do you know anything about the decision to limit the advanced search to either itemtype or ccode but not both? In dev_week we had both 14:13 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I tend to think it is not... 14:12 |Lupin| gmcharlt: okay... Not sure whether it's worth the effort... 14:11 gmcharlt obviously would need a lot of template and indexing work to handle that in Koha 14:11 gmcharlt in MARC21, you can kinda get there by using subfield $5, which specifies to whch library a particular field applies 14:11 owen However, you'd have to alter your Koha templates to allow that choice to appear in search forms 14:10 owen If there were a proper way to tag a MARC record with, for instance, public/private domain information, you could then theoretically create an index in Zebra for searching that field 14:10 |Lupin| owen: are you suggesting that perhaps putting the information in a coded field or so may allow one to search on it ? 14:10 owen This is just off the top of my head, and I don't know if it's really valid or not, but... 14:09 |Lupin| owen: hmm ? not sure I understand how... Could you please elaborate ? 14:08 owen Sure, but the MARC angle might allow you to circumvent the searching limitation 14:07 |Lupin| owen: in a way the problem is certainly at least partially a MARC problem, I agree. But in my opinion it's not only a MARC problem, since the way Koha lets you search is also involved in the decisions, I think. 14:06 |Lupin| owen: okay, thanks a lot. Your replies are very helpful. 14:02 owen As far as I know, removing the option to search both was an interface decision and not a functionality decision. 14:00 owen And yes, |Lupin|, I think that is a reasonable expectation. 14:00 owen I think you need a MARC expert to advise you on how records might be properly cataloged with domain and/or format data 14:00 |Lupin| isn't it reasonable to expect that some day Koha will allow to perform searches on both c-codes and item types ? 13:59 |Lupin| owen: yes, and I realize that. But actually I thought that if one has to be sacrified, perhaps the domain is preferable 13:57 owen e.g. "public domain mp3 files" 13:57 owen You still face the problem of how a patron might limit their search to both a domain and a format 13:54 |Lupin| owen: perhaps one could have two item types, private domain and public domain, and then one ccode for each format 13:53 |Lupin| owen: well, my intuition is that indeed we don't have circulation, but we have download that should work differently for books in the private / public domain 13:47 owen But I'm not sure how the combination could work for you in a non-circulating environment 13:47 owen It depends how you use them. We use collection codes so our patrons can limit their searches by those categories, and we use itemtypes for controlling circ policy 13:46 |Lupin| is that to say that it doesn't make much sense to define both item types and collection codes for items and that one really has to choose between the two ? 13:45 |Lupin| owen: np, my mistake !! 13:45 owen Sorry if I wasn't clear about that yesterday 13:44 owen Not once and forever, but yes--it's up to the administrator 13:43 |Lupin| is this correct ? 13:43 |Lupin| but actually it seems it's a syspref (AdvancedSearchTypes) so its set once and forever 13:43 |Lupin| so I thought the choice is up to the patron 13:42 |Lupin| I was told on the chan that in the advanced search, one can search either by itemtype or by ccode 13:42 |Lupin| ah there was another thing I misunderstood 13:28 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 13:27 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 13:21 gmcharlt Hi |Lupin| 13:21 |Lupin| hi gmcharlt 13:20 |Lupin| hmm I didn't know koha was aware of braille ! 13:15 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: okay, understood 13:14 |Lupin| another way to not have the records in the opac could be to keep them in the reservoir and not complete the import ? Would that be a good solution ? 13:14 hdl_laptop it works at record level, But if you have one item with this flag, then it deletes it from results 13:13 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: but when you say could use 995$S, this is item-specific, I thought that opac suppression was working at the record level ? 13:13 hdl_laptop But I think that Not is not supported for nozebra 13:13 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: ok, thanks 13:13 hdl_laptop no. 13:12 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: record.abs has to be modified even if zebra is not used ? 13:11 hdl_laptop you could use 995$S 13:11 hdl_laptop you have to add a Suppress index in your record.abs and reindex 13:10 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: so when oparsuppression is active, is it also 942n that matters in Unimarc, or is it another field ? 13:00 |Lupin| owen: and ok, understood. I indeed thought there was such an exhaustive list. 13:00 |Lupin| owen: don't know if there should be. I just can say that for me personnally, that woudl be convenient 12:58 owen I wonder if there should be? 12:58 owen Each of those pages is what I would describe as the big list--but there's not one list of everything 12:57 owen Each of those should load its own list of system preferences 12:56 owen When you click on one of the "tabs" as atz described it, the list of system preference categories: Admin, Acquisitions, etc. 12:55 |Lupin| owen: don't know how to display the big list, though. 12:54 |Lupin| owen: right ! 12:51 owen That seemed like a good way to quickly find something on the big list of system preferences 12:50 |Lupin| owen: sure, / works the same way it does in e.g. less 12:49 |Lupin| I was looking for it on the cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl page, not on the general admnistration page. Sorry. 12:48 |Lupin| owen: ok, now I have found it. Thanks a lot ! 12:48 owen |Lupin|: Are you able to do a "find on this page" kind of search when you're using Lynx? 12:47 |Lupin| :) 12:41 owen Wow I forgot how badly lynx handles tables 12:39 owen When you first arrive at the Administration page one of the first things in the main body of the page is a heading "Global System Preferences." Right under that there should be a search box for searching system preferences. 12:38 |Lupin| (git pull is enough to update the repo, is't it?) 12:38 |Lupin| owen: up-to-date git repo 12:38 |Lupin| up-to-date git repo 12:37 owen |Lupin|: Are you running an official release or an up-to-date git repo? 12:35 |Lupin| I mean, the headings are there, (preference name, value, meaning, modify, remove), but the table is empty 12:33 |Lupin| and under cataloguing preferences I have nothing... normal ? 12:33 |Lupin| however I don't have a search box 12:33 |Lupin| however I don't have a search bok 12:32 |Lupin| but while reading the names, I though these links were just to different Koha modules, I didn't realize they were to different tabs in the system preferences area 12:31 |Lupin| under lynx these tabs you are talking about are represented as a list of lynx that appears after the few system preferences 12:31 |Lupin| now I understand 12:31 |Lupin| okay 12:30 atz and you might need to change it 12:30 atz yeah, it's important those work w/o js, since among other things, you can insert code a mess up your js using sysprefs 12:29 |Lupin| hi owen 12:29 owen Navigation and editing of system preferences are not javascript-dependent 12:29 atz ^^ see, that's why I search for it :) 12:29 |Lupin| ae all these things based on javascript ? 12:29 owen Hi atz and |Lupin| 12:29 owen It's under the Cataloging tab 12:28 atz OPACsuppression probably lives under the "OPAC" tab, but i find it easier to search if i already know the one i want 12:27 atz and the search box on top lets you search all sysprefs 12:27 atz right.... there should be a bunch of tabs on the left 12:27 |Lupin| atz: I'm sorry, I don't see the suppression button you are mentionning. When I follow the System preferences link, I get a table with just a few system preferences displayed, and for each one there is a button to modify it and another one to remove it... 12:24 atz you can search sysprefs... try just "suppression" 12:23 |Lupin| how to display thispref ? is there a way to search a syspref by name ? 12:23 |Lupin| hmm 12:17 |Lupin| atz, hdl_laptop thanks to both of you guys ! 12:10 hdl_laptop I think I will make it a text so that you can hide on a single word. 12:09 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: OPACSuppression is your syspref 12:01 atz and if they want to hide some, then they hide it from everybody (except staff) 12:01 atz most US libraries don't have some records for X users, more records for Y users, etc... their full collection is available to all users 12:00 atz nobody has implemented it before