IRC log for #koha, 2009-07-08

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13:02 owen What's new #koha?
13:04 hdl_laptop hi owen .
13:48 ebegin owen, did you look at the command line option for exporting your svg file?
13:48 owen I started to, and then realized Inkscape was exporting the 32-bit version by default.
13:49 owen I guess I'll have to look into the command line option when I *don't* want the 32-bit version!
13:49 ebegin :)
13:55 |Lupin| folks
13:55 |Lupin| trying to use the stage marc impor feature
13:56 |Lupin| the submit button is again javascripted
13:56 |Lupin| tried t modify the html page, just to see whether canmake something usable with lynx
13:56 |Lupin| so I replaced the button by <input type="submit"/>
13:56 |Lupin| but it does not work
13:56 |Lupin| any hint ?
14:03 ebegin there is a script that you could use.
14:09 ebegin |Lupin|, you may want to try Links
14:10 gmcharlt hi folks
14:12 ebegin hi gmcharlt
14:14 |Lupin| hello gmcharlt
14:15 |Lupin| ebegin: yeah, I know bulkmarcimport, but stage parc records may also be useful some time
14:15 |Lupin| ebegin: and about links & co, they won't be very helpful because their javascript support is rudimentary...
14:16 |Lupin| gmcharlt: did you se my message about unimarc field 009 ? Any idea who could help with that, pls ?
14:16 gmcharlt |Lupin|: please remind me what your question is
14:18 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I was trying to tell koha to add unimarc field 009 to the current cataloguing framework
14:18 |Lupin| it's a coded field I'd like to use to store the old biblio numbers
14:19 |Lupin| so I entered a description for it but it does not show up in OPAC or staff client
14:19 gmcharlt did you check the field visibility setting?
14:19 |Lupin| gmcharlt: if you mean the hidden column in a table I don't remember the name, yes
14:19 |Lupin| tried different values for that field, no change
14:23 owen |Lupin|: I encourage you to file a bug report for each page/feature you find which you think should work without JavaScript.
14:29 |Lupin| owen: ok
14:29 |Lupin| owen: I didn't do so so far because my hope was to be able to submit a patch
14:29 ebegin |Lupin|, I was able to see this field yesterday when I set its value to 1...
14:30 ebegin s/value/hidden value/
14:30 owen |Lupin|: It's good practice to file a bug whether or not you plan to submit a patch. If you know you want to work on the bug yourself you can assign it to yourself.
14:30 owen Then when you submit your patch you can attach a copy to the bug report.
14:30 |Lupin| ebegin: could you remind me please in which table it was, so that I can check the curent value ? I think 1 was my last attempt
14:31 owen And if you don't plan on working on a particular bug it's there for others to see and try to fix
14:31 ebegin marc_subfield_structure
14:32 |Lupin| owen: this certainly sounds wise, thanks
14:32 |Lupin| ebegin: thanks,let me see
14:32 ebegin |Lupin|, and make sure you also set the tab to 0
14:34 |Lupin| mysql> select hidden from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield='009' and frameworkcode='';
14:34 |Lupin| indeed returns 1
14:35 |Lupin| ebegin: it's -1 at the moment, let me change it
14:36 |Lupin| ok, changed to 0
14:36 ebegin do you look at it in the editor?  The marc view only show fields/subfields with data.
14:40 |Lupin| ebegin: no, not in the editor because it uses javascript
14:40 |Lupin| ebegin: as said yesterday, I'd like the text to be displayed in the OPAC and in the staff client
14:41 ebegin so set its hidden to 0 then.  I didn't know you want it to display in the OPAC also
14:43 |Lupin| well I didn't see it in the staff client either
14:43 |Lupin| I can try again
14:43 |Lupin| after all: opac is not that important. The important is staff client
14:44 ebegin are you sure you have a 009 value for the record you are looking at?
14:45 |Lupin| ebegin: yes, I saw it in the marcxml record
14:46 |Lupin| ah it's here !!
14:46 |Lupin| the only noying thing is that the fields are not sorted the right way
14:48 |Lupin| 009 appears between 225 and 101...
14:49 |Lupin| And also, there is an @sign just besides to it, as if @ was a subfield... I thought @means no subfield...
14:49 ebegin 101 is after 225??
14:49 |Lupin| yes
14:52 ebegin are the field in the same order that in marcxml?
14:54 |Lupin| ebegin: good question, let me see...
14:59 |Lupin| ebegin: no I think the order of display does not match the one in the xml
15:05 |Lupin| hmm
15:05 |Lupin| I guess wiki accounts, bugzilla acconts and accounts are different ?
15:09 schuster Yep.
15:25 |Lupin| would it be feasible that once yu have an account somewhere it also works for the rest ?
15:26 |Lupin| would make things so mch easier...
15:26 owen They're all separate software systems
15:26 owen Unless each supported OpenID...
15:29 |Lupin| owen: couldn't they all use PAM or something similar ?
15:29 owen I'm not familiar with PAM
15:30 |Lupin| owen: me neither, just a vague idea of what it is used for
15:30 |Lupin| perhaps LDAP is the right thing actually
15:33 |Lupin| hmm how do you change the default cataloguing framework, pls ?
15:34 ebegin can you define "change"?
15:34 |Lupin| oh perhaps ou can't, actually, only choose one framework for each record you want to catalogue...
15:34 |Lupin| ebegin: the framework that is used by default
15:36 ebegin you want to edit the default framework? or you want a record to use another one?
15:38 |Lupin| ebegin: actually I misunderstood the concept of default framework
15:39 |Lupin| ebegin: I thought there was a notion of which framework, among those proposed, is used by default, and I thought you can change this setting.
15:39 |Lupin| ebegin: So I waned to create a new framework, make this the default and make all my modifications there, so that the default framework installed by Koha remains untouched
15:39 |Lupin| But now I think I understood things the wrong way
15:40 ebegin |Lupin|, I see.  You can not change the default one, but this is a good suggestion though...
15:43 |Lupin| ebegin: thanks
15:45 |Lupin| ebegin: how do you remove the subfields of one given field ?
15:45 |Lupin| my 009 still has this @ subfield...
15:46 |Lupin| or is the '@' interpreted as "does not have any subfield" ?
15:46 pianohacker |Lupin|: yes
15:46 ebegin The @ is the koha's trick to say No subfield.
15:47 ebegin We need a place to store the value, that is the purpose of the @
15:47 |Lupin| ebegin: ok
15:47 |Lupin| but it is then displayed in the staff client...
15:47 ebegin But I think that we could prevent to display it to the user...
15:48 |Lupin| ebegin: right. Just display the content, not the @ label
16:31 |Lupin| how would you guys represent the fact that a book is in the private / public domain ?
16:31 |Lupin| would these be item-types ?
16:32 owen Item types should probably be used for categories which affect circulation rules
16:33 owen Collection code might be an appropriate way to handle it, I probably wouldn't choose that because I'd want to be able to define a broader range of collection codes
16:33 owen One question is how you would use the designation? As a means of isolating one or the other when searching?
16:36 |Lupin| owen: well this time the question is for my job, so we handle electroni books
16:37 |Lupin| owen: in other words, there is no "circulation" per se
16:37 |Lupin| owen: however books in the public doman can be downloaded freely wheres books in the private doamin can't
16:38 |Lupin| owen: so the designation may be used as a search criteria, I think
16:39 owen So it might be appropriate to use itemtype or ccode, depending on what other categorization schemes you want to apply to your collection. Keep in mind that in the OPAC's advanced search you can display a filter by itemtype *OR* ccode but not both
16:41 |Lupin| owen: okay.
16:42 |Lupin| owen: is it possible to have item time at the biblio level and another series of item types at the item level ?
16:42 |Lupin| so that one (at the biblio level) could be use for public / private domain books, and the other, at the item level, could be used to represent file formats ?
16:43 owen No
16:43 |Lupin| (in our model we pla to catalogue all the files we have for one book, with one item <=> one file)
16:43 |Lupin| oh, ok
16:45 |Lupin| so maybe two item types (private domain and public domain) and one ccode for each available file format ? would that be okay ?
17:02 owen |Lupin|: That certainly sounds workable
17:03 owen Although again, you can only offer your users one choice of limiters in the advanced search: either ccode or itemtype
17:03 owen (I'm not sure why--seems like a poor choice to eliminate any options like that)
17:04 |Lupin| owen: yes, I think this I understood
17:04 |Lupin| now
17:04 |Lupin| I just discovered that there are also item-level i-types !
17:05 |Lupin| owen: in fact, what I'm wondering is: is it wise to re-use existing koha concepts to capture things that are specific to ur library ?
17:06 |Lupin| cause maybe one day a librarian working in our library may want to se item-types or ccodes for something more traditional, so maybe it is wiser to store information like format, public|private domain in a place where it won't bother anybody ?
17:09 owen |Lupin|: I think your only other choice is to look for a standard MARC field to store that information, and then to define the appropriate indexes in zebra (something which I don't really know anything about)
17:11 |Lupin| thanks for your recommandation owen-away
17:21 schuster Does it drive anyone else crazy or just us that the facets in the opac for searching branches is in a "random" order?
17:21 schuster I feel an enhancement coming on...
17:43 owen schuster: I'd classify that as a genuine bug, not an enhancement
17:43 owen Not that I know how to fix it :)
17:49 schuster Nobody seems to know how to fix it so that's why it is a "feature" that needs to have an "enhancement" ;)
18:11 gmcharlt owen: would you have a chance to test some patches implementing a jQuery upgrade?
18:12 owen I was just thinking about undertaking some upgrade tests myself! But I can't promise anything: I'm going out of town for a few days tomorrow
18:15 gmcharlt ok; I'll send you the patches in case you have a chance
19:08 owen gmcharlt: I've got some time now if you've got the patches
19:55 gmcharlt owen: forwarded
20:04 schuster anybody here using LDAP for authentication?
20:05 owen Looks like John Beppu was reading the same article today on that I was
20:08 owen gmcharlt: those patches don't apply for me. I'm not sure if it's the patches themselves or the path between my email and my git repo
20:10 gmcharlt owen: ok, try this:
20:10 Wizzyrea_ schuster; did you see atz's blog post?/
20:11 Wizzyrea_[…]246935665&do=diff
20:11 Wizzyrea_ er wiki
20:11 Wizzyrea_ >.<
20:12 schuster Yes - I wanted to ask about permissions and how that impacts the staff login vs opac.
20:12 owen gmcharlt: I get "error: No changes" when I try to apply jquery1.patch
20:15 gmcharlt owen: what version of git are you running?
20:15 owen I'm working on Arwen
20:15 gmcharlt owen: patch was prepared by beppu using and appplied successfully by me in
20:16 gmcharlt owen: ah, in that case try
20:16 gmcharlt git pull ~gmc/koha/dev jquery
20:20 owen That seems to have worked fine
20:36 richard hi
20:53 chris morning
20:54 richard hi chris
21:35 pianohacker brb
03:23 Amit hi #koha good morning
03:23 Amit Hi Chris, Jo
04:25 Jo Hi AMit
04:25 Jo how are you today?
04:29 Amit Jo: i m fine what about u
04:33 Jo very good.
04:33 Jo busy testing our new koha 3 test site - micro testing :)
04:33 Jo but it is going well.
04:37 Amit hmmm
04:55 jenish hi
04:57 jenish i cant install 'Net::Z3950::ZOOM' in ubuntu8.10
04:57 jenish am new to koha.... can nybody help...
05:03 Amit hi brendan
05:03 brendan heya Amit
05:03 brendan how you doing --
05:03 Amit my second patch
05:03 Amit[…]-July/003917.html
05:03 brendan just doing some traveling
05:03 Amit hmm
05:03 jenish Hi..
05:04 Amit hi jenish
05:04 jenish am new to koha and am installing it in ubuntu8.10.... but am facing sum prob..
05:05 Amit what prblm?
05:05 jenish in installing perl modules...
05:07 jenish Amit..
05:07 jenish i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM
05:07 jenish i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM....
05:08 jenish i cant find ny solution.... can nybody help me...
05:09 Amit have u install yaz
05:10 jenish yes... i installed it
05:11 jenish it shows...........
05:11 jenish Has already been unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25-miaCYq   '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make Running make test   Make had some problems, won't test
05:11 jenish error like this.......
05:53 jenish How to install yaz in ubuntu 8.10
05:55 greenmang0 jenish: sudo aptitude install yaz
06:00 jenish But it return some error...
06:00 jenish The following packages have unmet dependencies:   yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable        Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
06:05 jenish hi..........
06:05 jenish The following packages have unmet dependencies:   yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable        Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
06:06 jenish this is the error wat am getting while installing Yaz in ubuntu8.10
06:06 jenish can u tel me how to solve this
06:30 kf good morning #koha :)
06:40 chris hi kf :)
06:44 kf hi chris, why are you tearing your head out?
06:45 chris i count 7 times i have told the same 2 people to use cron to run rebuild_zebra
06:46 chris i think they think if they keep asking questions somehow they will get a different answer :)
06:48 ebegin chris, but are you sure the crontab is the only solution? ;)
06:49 chris hehe
06:50 chris nope, its not the only one, its open source, they can write their own :) but its the most maintained solution
06:50 ebegin he
06:50 ebegin he
07:05 chris hi nicomo and anasha
07:05 nicomo hi chris and all
07:06 hdl_laptop jenish I think you might be willing to update your ubuntu system
07:07 chris signed off im afraid hdl_laptop
07:08 kf chris: better keep your hair, its not worth tearing it out because of crontabs
07:08 hdl_laptop hi all
07:08 chris kf: hehe true :)
07:08 chris hiya hdl, i looked for you on tv when watching le tour ... didn't see you :)
07:20 Amit hi kf, nicomo
07:21 nicomo hi Amit
07:22 nicomo hdl_laptop: the Tour was in Montpellier?
07:22 nicomo yuk : city must have been invaded
07:22 hdl_laptop Yes.
07:23 hdl_laptop It stopped yesterday right under my windows (in fact very very near)
07:23 hdl_laptop All the car traffic was a mess yesterday.
07:24 hdl_laptop I had to park 1 mile from my home in order to be able to use my car ;)
07:24 nicomo just checking on the route : doesn't seem to be going through Lyon this year : ++ to that
07:25 nicomo and actually I'm quite surprised, it's not a "tour" at all
07:25 nicomo a bit in the south, a bit west, a bit in the alps
07:25 nicomo then Paris
07:26 nicomo doesn't it used to actually make a tour of France?
07:28 hdl_laptop nicomo: yes it DID.
07:28 paul_p hello world
07:28 hdl_laptop In 1910 it made the wole tour.
07:28 Amit hi paul
07:28 nicomo 1910 : hum. My information seems a bit outdated, then
07:53 chris hi paul_p and Kivutar
07:53 paul_p hi chris
07:54 Kivutar hi chris and #koha
09:34 kf hi Kivutar and paul
09:39 paul_p hi kf
09:39 paul_p channel very quiet those days...
09:43 chris it gets busy in a couple of hours
09:43 chris when the americans wake up
09:43 chris you europeans are quiet :-)
09:44 kf hey :)
11:39 Amit hi jwagner
11:48 jwagner Hi Amit
11:48 Amit PTFS organize a party
11:48 jwagner ??
11:49 Amit i have receive a mail from
11:50 Amit jwagner: If you have any questions please feel free to contact John Rose at or Patrick Jones at
11:50 jwagner Maybe it's something for ALA this week -- we usually do sponsor a reception.  
11:50 Amit k
11:54 |Lupin| hello everybody !
11:59 |Lupin| I was just looking for a way to prevent some records to be displayed at OPAC, or to some user categories. Found a message where atz said this is not possible, but can hardly believe it.

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