| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:02 |
|
owen |
What's new #koha? |
| 13:04 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi owen . |
| 13:48 |
|
ebegin |
owen, did you look at the command line option for exporting your svg file? |
| 13:48 |
|
owen |
I started to, and then realized Inkscape was exporting the 32-bit version by default. |
| 13:49 |
|
owen |
I guess I'll have to look into the command line option when I *don't* want the 32-bit version! |
| 13:49 |
|
ebegin |
:) |
| 13:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
folks |
| 13:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
trying to use the stage marc impor feature |
| 13:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
the submit button is again javascripted |
| 13:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
tried t modify the html page, just to see whether canmake something usable with lynx |
| 13:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
so I replaced the button by <input type="submit"/> |
| 13:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
but it does not work |
| 13:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
any hint ? |
| 14:03 |
|
ebegin |
there is a bulkmarcimport.pl script that you could use. |
| 14:09 |
|
ebegin |
|Lupin|, you may want to try Links http://links.twibright.com/features.php |
| 14:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi folks |
| 14:12 |
|
ebegin |
hi gmcharlt |
| 14:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
hello gmcharlt |
| 14:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: yeah, I know bulkmarcimport, but stage parc records may also be useful some time |
| 14:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: and about links & co, they won't be very helpful because their javascript support is rudimentary... |
| 14:16 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: did you se my message about unimarc field 009 ? Any idea who could help with that, pls ? |
| 14:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: please remind me what your question is |
| 14:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: I was trying to tell koha to add unimarc field 009 to the current cataloguing framework |
| 14:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
it's a coded field I'd like to use to store the old biblio numbers |
| 14:19 |
|
|Lupin| |
so I entered a description for it but it does not show up in OPAC or staff client |
| 14:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
did you check the field visibility setting? |
| 14:19 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: if you mean the hidden column in a table I don't remember the name, yes |
| 14:19 |
|
|Lupin| |
tried different values for that field, no change |
| 14:23 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: I encourage you to file a bug report for each page/feature you find which you think should work without JavaScript. |
| 14:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: ok |
| 14:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: I didn't do so so far because my hope was to be able to submit a patch |
| 14:29 |
|
ebegin |
|Lupin|, I was able to see this field yesterday when I set its value to 1... |
| 14:30 |
|
ebegin |
s/value/hidden value/ |
| 14:30 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: It's good practice to file a bug whether or not you plan to submit a patch. If you know you want to work on the bug yourself you can assign it to yourself. |
| 14:30 |
|
owen |
Then when you submit your patch you can attach a copy to the bug report. |
| 14:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: could you remind me please in which table it was, so that I can check the curent value ? I think 1 was my last attempt |
| 14:31 |
|
owen |
And if you don't plan on working on a particular bug it's there for others to see and try to fix |
| 14:31 |
|
ebegin |
marc_subfield_structure |
| 14:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: this certainly sounds wise, thanks |
| 14:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: thanks,let me see |
| 14:32 |
|
ebegin |
|Lupin|, and make sure you also set the tab to 0 |
| 14:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
mysql> select hidden from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield='009' and frameworkcode=''; |
| 14:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
indeed returns 1 |
| 14:35 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: it's -1 at the moment, let me change it |
| 14:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
ok, changed to 0 |
| 14:36 |
|
ebegin |
do you look at it in the editor? The marc view only show fields/subfields with data. |
| 14:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: no, not in the editor because it uses javascript |
| 14:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: as said yesterday, I'd like the text to be displayed in the OPAC and in the staff client |
| 14:41 |
|
ebegin |
so set its hidden to 0 then. I didn't know you want it to display in the OPAC also |
| 14:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
well I didn't see it in the staff client either |
| 14:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
I can try again |
| 14:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
after all: opac is not that important. The important is staff client |
| 14:44 |
|
ebegin |
are you sure you have a 009 value for the record you are looking at? |
| 14:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: yes, I saw it in the marcxml record |
| 14:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
ah it's here !! |
| 14:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
the only noying thing is that the fields are not sorted the right way |
| 14:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
009 appears between 225 and 101... |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
And also, there is an @sign just besides to it, as if @ was a subfield... I thought @means no subfield... |
| 14:49 |
|
ebegin |
101 is after 225?? |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
yes |
| 14:52 |
|
ebegin |
are the field in the same order that in marcxml? |
| 14:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: good question, let me see... |
| 14:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: no I think the order of display does not match the one in the xml |
| 15:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm |
| 15:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
I guess wiki accounts, bugzilla acconts and koha.org accounts are different ? |
| 15:09 |
|
schuster |
Yep. |
| 15:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
would it be feasible that once yu have an account somewhere it also works for the rest ? |
| 15:26 |
|
|Lupin| |
would make things so mch easier... |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
They're all separate software systems |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
Unless each supported OpenID... |
| 15:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: couldn't they all use PAM or something similar ? |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
I'm not familiar with PAM |
| 15:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: me neither, just a vague idea of what it is used for |
| 15:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
perhaps LDAP is the right thing actually |
| 15:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm how do you change the default cataloguing framework, pls ? |
| 15:34 |
|
ebegin |
can you define "change"? |
| 15:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh perhaps ou can't, actually, only choose one framework for each record you want to catalogue... |
| 15:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: the framework that is used by default |
| 15:36 |
|
ebegin |
you want to edit the default framework? or you want a record to use another one? |
| 15:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: actually I misunderstood the concept of default framework |
| 15:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: I thought there was a notion of which framework, among those proposed, is used by default, and I thought you can change this setting. |
| 15:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: So I waned to create a new framework, make this the default and make all my modifications there, so that the default framework installed by Koha remains untouched |
| 15:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
But now I think I understood things the wrong way |
| 15:40 |
|
ebegin |
|Lupin|, I see. You can not change the default one, but this is a good suggestion though... |
| 15:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: thanks |
| 15:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: how do you remove the subfields of one given field ? |
| 15:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
my 009 still has this @ subfield... |
| 15:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
or is the '@' interpreted as "does not have any subfield" ? |
| 15:46 |
|
pianohacker |
|Lupin|: yes |
| 15:46 |
|
ebegin |
The @ is the koha's trick to say No subfield. |
| 15:47 |
|
ebegin |
We need a place to store the value, that is the purpose of the @ |
| 15:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: ok |
| 15:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
but it is then displayed in the staff client... |
| 15:47 |
|
ebegin |
But I think that we could prevent to display it to the user... |
| 15:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
ebegin: right. Just display the content, not the @ label |
| 16:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
how would you guys represent the fact that a book is in the private / public domain ? |
| 16:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
would these be item-types ? |
| 16:32 |
|
owen |
Item types should probably be used for categories which affect circulation rules |
| 16:33 |
|
owen |
Collection code might be an appropriate way to handle it, I probably wouldn't choose that because I'd want to be able to define a broader range of collection codes |
| 16:33 |
|
owen |
One question is how you would use the designation? As a means of isolating one or the other when searching? |
| 16:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: well this time the question is for my job, so we handle electroni books |
| 16:37 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: in other words, there is no "circulation" per se |
| 16:37 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: however books in the public doman can be downloaded freely wheres books in the private doamin can't |
| 16:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: so the designation may be used as a search criteria, I think |
| 16:39 |
|
owen |
So it might be appropriate to use itemtype or ccode, depending on what other categorization schemes you want to apply to your collection. Keep in mind that in the OPAC's advanced search you can display a filter by itemtype *OR* ccode but not both |
| 16:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: okay. |
| 16:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: is it possible to have item time at the biblio level and another series of item types at the item level ? |
| 16:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
so that one (at the biblio level) could be use for public / private domain books, and the other, at the item level, could be used to represent file formats ? |
| 16:43 |
|
owen |
No |
| 16:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
(in our model we pla to catalogue all the files we have for one book, with one item <=> one file) |
| 16:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh, ok |
| 16:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
so maybe two item types (private domain and public domain) and one ccode for each available file format ? would that be okay ? |
| 17:02 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: That certainly sounds workable |
| 17:03 |
|
owen |
Although again, you can only offer your users one choice of limiters in the advanced search: either ccode or itemtype |
| 17:03 |
|
owen |
(I'm not sure why--seems like a poor choice to eliminate any options like that) |
| 17:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: yes, I think this I understood |
| 17:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
now |
| 17:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
I just discovered that there are also item-level i-types ! |
| 17:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: in fact, what I'm wondering is: is it wise to re-use existing koha concepts to capture things that are specific to ur library ? |
| 17:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
cause maybe one day a librarian working in our library may want to se item-types or ccodes for something more traditional, so maybe it is wiser to store information like format, public|private domain in a place where it won't bother anybody ? |
| 17:09 |
|
owen |
|Lupin|: I think your only other choice is to look for a standard MARC field to store that information, and then to define the appropriate indexes in zebra (something which I don't really know anything about) |
| 17:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
thanks for your recommandation owen-away |
| 17:21 |
|
schuster |
Does it drive anyone else crazy or just us that the facets in the opac for searching branches is in a "random" order? |
| 17:21 |
|
schuster |
I feel an enhancement coming on... |
| 17:43 |
|
owen |
schuster: I'd classify that as a genuine bug, not an enhancement |
| 17:43 |
|
owen |
Not that I know how to fix it :) |
| 17:49 |
|
schuster |
Nobody seems to know how to fix it so that's why it is a "feature" that needs to have an "enhancement" ;) |
| 18:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: would you have a chance to test some patches implementing a jQuery upgrade? |
| 18:12 |
|
owen |
I was just thinking about undertaking some upgrade tests myself! But I can't promise anything: I'm going out of town for a few days tomorrow |
| 18:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok; I'll send you the patches in case you have a chance |
| 19:08 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: I've got some time now if you've got the patches |
| 19:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: forwarded |
| 20:04 |
|
schuster |
anybody here using LDAP for authentication? |
| 20:05 |
|
owen |
Looks like John Beppu was reading the same article today on learningjquery.com that I was |
| 20:08 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: those patches don't apply for me. I'm not sure if it's the patches themselves or the path between my email and my git repo |
| 20:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: ok, try this: http://arwen.metavore.com/~gmc/patches/jquery/ |
| 20:10 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
schuster; did you see atz's blog post?/ |
| 20:11 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]246935665&do=diff |
| 20:11 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
er wiki |
| 20:11 |
|
Wizzyrea_ |
>.< |
| 20:12 |
|
schuster |
Yes - I wanted to ask about permissions and how that impacts the staff login vs opac. |
| 20:12 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: I get "error: No changes" when I try to apply jquery1.patch |
| 20:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: what version of git are you running? |
| 20:15 |
|
owen |
I'm working on Arwen |
| 20:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: patch was prepared by beppu using 1.6.3.3 and appplied successfully by me in 1.5.6.5 |
| 20:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: ah, in that case try |
| 20:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
git pull ~gmc/koha/dev jquery |
| 20:20 |
|
owen |
That seems to have worked fine |
| 20:36 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:53 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 20:54 |
|
richard |
hi chris |
| 21:35 |
|
pianohacker |
brb |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit |
hi #koha good morning |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit |
Hi Chris, Jo |
| 04:25 |
|
Jo |
Hi AMit |
| 04:25 |
|
Jo |
how are you today? |
| 04:29 |
|
Amit |
Jo: i m fine what about u |
| 04:33 |
|
Jo |
very good. |
| 04:33 |
|
Jo |
busy testing our new koha 3 test site - micro testing :) |
| 04:33 |
|
Jo |
but it is going well. |
| 04:37 |
|
Amit |
hmmm |
| 04:55 |
|
jenish |
hi |
| 04:57 |
|
jenish |
i cant install 'Net::Z3950::ZOOM' in ubuntu8.10 |
| 04:57 |
|
jenish |
am new to koha.... can nybody help... |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan |
| 05:03 |
|
brendan |
heya Amit |
| 05:03 |
|
brendan |
how you doing -- |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
my second patch |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]-July/003917.html |
| 05:03 |
|
brendan |
just doing some traveling |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
hmm |
| 05:03 |
|
jenish |
Hi.. |
| 05:04 |
|
Amit |
hi jenish |
| 05:04 |
|
jenish |
am new to koha and am installing it in ubuntu8.10.... but am facing sum prob.. |
| 05:05 |
|
Amit |
what prblm? |
| 05:05 |
|
jenish |
in installing perl modules... |
| 05:07 |
|
jenish |
Amit.. |
| 05:07 |
|
jenish |
i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM |
| 05:07 |
|
jenish |
i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM.... |
| 05:08 |
|
jenish |
i cant find ny solution.... can nybody help me... |
| 05:09 |
|
Amit |
have u install yaz |
| 05:10 |
|
jenish |
yes... i installed it |
| 05:11 |
|
jenish |
it shows........... |
| 05:11 |
|
jenish |
Has already been unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25-miaCYq '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make Running make test Make had some problems, won't test |
| 05:11 |
|
jenish |
error like this....... |
| 05:53 |
|
jenish |
How to install yaz in ubuntu 8.10 |
| 05:55 |
|
greenmang0 |
jenish: sudo aptitude install yaz |
| 06:00 |
|
jenish |
But it return some error... |
| 06:00 |
|
jenish |
The following packages have unmet dependencies: yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 06:05 |
|
jenish |
hi.......... |
| 06:05 |
|
jenish |
The following packages have unmet dependencies: yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 06:06 |
|
jenish |
this is the error wat am getting while installing Yaz in ubuntu8.10 |
| 06:06 |
|
jenish |
can u tel me how to solve this |
| 06:30 |
|
kf |
good morning #koha :) |
| 06:40 |
|
chris |
hi kf :) |
| 06:44 |
|
kf |
hi chris, why are you tearing your head out? |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
i count 7 times i have told the same 2 people to use cron to run rebuild_zebra |
| 06:46 |
|
chris |
i think they think if they keep asking questions somehow they will get a different answer :) |
| 06:48 |
|
ebegin |
chris, but are you sure the crontab is the only solution? ;) |
| 06:49 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 06:50 |
|
chris |
nope, its not the only one, its open source, they can write their own :) but its the most maintained solution |
| 06:50 |
|
ebegin |
he |
| 06:50 |
|
ebegin |
he |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
hi nicomo and anasha |
| 07:05 |
|
nicomo |
hi chris and all |
| 07:06 |
|
hdl_laptop |
jenish I think you might be willing to update your ubuntu system |
| 07:07 |
|
chris |
signed off im afraid hdl_laptop |
| 07:08 |
|
kf |
chris: better keep your hair, its not worth tearing it out because of crontabs |
| 07:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi all |
| 07:08 |
|
chris |
kf: hehe true :) |
| 07:08 |
|
chris |
hiya hdl, i looked for you on tv when watching le tour ... didn't see you :) |
| 07:20 |
|
Amit |
hi kf, nicomo |
| 07:21 |
|
nicomo |
hi Amit |
| 07:22 |
|
nicomo |
hdl_laptop: the Tour was in Montpellier? |
| 07:22 |
|
nicomo |
yuk : city must have been invaded |
| 07:22 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Yes. |
| 07:23 |
|
hdl_laptop |
It stopped yesterday right under my windows (in fact very very near) |
| 07:23 |
|
hdl_laptop |
All the car traffic was a mess yesterday. |
| 07:24 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I had to park 1 mile from my home in order to be able to use my car ;) |
| 07:24 |
|
nicomo |
just checking on the route : doesn't seem to be going through Lyon this year : ++ to that |
| 07:25 |
|
nicomo |
and actually I'm quite surprised, it's not a "tour" at all |
| 07:25 |
|
nicomo |
a bit in the south, a bit west, a bit in the alps |
| 07:25 |
|
nicomo |
then Paris |
| 07:26 |
|
nicomo |
doesn't it used to actually make a tour of France? |
| 07:28 |
|
hdl_laptop |
nicomo: yes it DID. |
| 07:28 |
|
paul_p |
hello world |
| 07:28 |
|
hdl_laptop |
In 1910 it made the wole tour. |
| 07:28 |
|
Amit |
hi paul |
| 07:28 |
|
nicomo |
1910 : hum. My information seems a bit outdated, then |
| 07:53 |
|
chris |
hi paul_p and Kivutar |
| 07:53 |
|
paul_p |
hi chris |
| 07:54 |
|
Kivutar |
hi chris and #koha |
| 09:34 |
|
kf |
hi Kivutar and paul |
| 09:39 |
|
paul_p |
hi kf |
| 09:39 |
|
paul_p |
channel very quiet those days... |
| 09:43 |
|
chris |
it gets busy in a couple of hours |
| 09:43 |
|
chris |
when the americans wake up |
| 09:43 |
|
chris |
you europeans are quiet :-) |
| 09:44 |
|
kf |
hey :) |
| 11:39 |
|
Amit |
hi jwagner |
| 11:48 |
|
jwagner |
Hi Amit |
| 11:48 |
|
Amit |
PTFS organize a party |
| 11:48 |
|
jwagner |
?? |
| 11:49 |
|
Amit |
i have receive a mail from PTFS mail.vresp.com |
| 11:50 |
|
Amit |
jwagner: If you have any questions please feel free to contact John Rose at jroseptfs.com or Patrick Jones at pjonesptfs.com. |
| 11:50 |
|
jwagner |
Maybe it's something for ALA this week -- we usually do sponsor a reception. |
| 11:50 |
|
Amit |
k |
| 11:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
hello everybody ! |
| 11:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
I was just looking for a way to prevent some records to be displayed at OPAC, or to some user categories. Found a message where atz said this is not possible, but can hardly believe it. |
