Time  Nick        Message
11:59 |Lupin|     I was just looking for a way to prevent some records to be displayed at OPAC, or to some user categories. Found a message where atz said this is not possible, but can hardly believe it.
11:54 |Lupin|     hello everybody !
11:50 Amit        k
11:50 jwagner     Maybe it's something for ALA this week -- we usually do sponsor a reception.
11:50 Amit        jwagner: If you have any questions please feel free to contact John Rose at jrose@ptfs.com or Patrick Jones at pjones@ptfs.com.
11:49 Amit        i have receive a mail from PTFS@mail.vresp.com
11:48 jwagner     ??
11:48 Amit        PTFS organize a party
11:48 jwagner     Hi Amit
11:39 Amit        hi jwagner
09:44 kf          hey :)
09:43 chris       you europeans are quiet :-)
09:43 chris       when the americans wake up
09:43 chris       it gets busy in a couple of hours
09:39 paul_p      channel very quiet those days...
09:39 paul_p      hi kf
09:34 kf          hi Kivutar and paul
07:54 Kivutar     hi chris and #koha
07:53 paul_p      hi chris
07:53 chris       hi paul_p and Kivutar
07:28 nicomo      1910 : hum. My information seems a bit outdated, then
07:28 Amit        hi paul
07:28 hdl_laptop  In 1910 it made the wole tour.
07:28 paul_p      hello world
07:28 hdl_laptop  nicomo: yes it DID.
07:26 nicomo      doesn't it used to actually make a tour of France?
07:25 nicomo      then Paris
07:25 nicomo      a bit in the south, a bit west, a bit in the alps
07:25 nicomo      and actually I'm quite surprised, it's not a "tour" at all
07:24 nicomo      just checking on the route : doesn't seem to be going through Lyon this year : ++ to that
07:24 hdl_laptop  I had to park 1 mile from my home in order to be able to use my car ;)
07:23 hdl_laptop  All the car traffic was a mess yesterday.
07:23 hdl_laptop  It stopped yesterday right under my windows (in fact very very near)
07:22 hdl_laptop  Yes.
07:22 nicomo      yuk : city must have been invaded
07:22 nicomo      hdl_laptop: the Tour was in Montpellier?
07:21 nicomo      hi Amit
07:20 Amit        hi kf, nicomo
07:08 chris       hiya hdl, i looked for you on tv when watching le tour ... didn't see you :)
07:08 chris       kf: hehe true :)
07:08 hdl_laptop  hi all
07:08 kf          chris: better keep your hair, its not worth tearing it out because of crontabs
07:07 chris       signed off im afraid hdl_laptop
07:06 hdl_laptop  jenish I think you might be willing to update your ubuntu system
07:05 nicomo      hi chris and all
07:05 chris       hi nicomo and anasha
06:50 ebegin      he
06:50 ebegin      he
06:50 chris       nope, its not the only one, its open source, they can write their own :) but its the most maintained solution
06:49 chris       hehe
06:48 ebegin      chris, but are you sure the crontab is the only solution? ;)
06:46 chris       i think they think if they keep asking questions somehow they will get a different answer :)
06:45 chris       i count 7 times i have told the same 2 people to use cron to run rebuild_zebra
06:44 kf          hi chris, why are you tearing your head out?
06:40 chris       hi kf :)
06:30 kf          good morning #koha :)
06:06 jenish      can u tel me how to solve this
06:06 jenish      this is the error wat am getting while installing Yaz in ubuntu8.10
06:05 jenish      The following packages have unmet dependencies:   yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable        Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
06:05 jenish      hi..........
06:00 jenish      The following packages have unmet dependencies:   yaz: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0) but it is not installable        Depends: libyaz3 (>= 3.0.46) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
06:00 jenish      But it return some error...
05:55 greenmang0  jenish: sudo aptitude install yaz
05:53 jenish      How to install yaz in ubuntu 8.10
05:11 jenish      error like this.......
05:11 jenish       Has already been unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.25-miaCYq   '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make Running make test   Make had some problems, won't test
05:11 jenish      it shows...........
05:10 jenish      yes... i installed it
05:09 Amit        have u install yaz
05:08 jenish      i cant find ny solution.... can nybody help me...
05:07 jenish      i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM....
05:07 jenish      i cant install Net::Z3950::ZOOM
05:07 jenish      Amit..
05:05 jenish      in installing perl modules...
05:05 Amit        what prblm?
05:04 jenish      am new to koha and am installing it in ubuntu8.10.... but am facing sum prob..
05:04 Amit        hi jenish
05:03 jenish      Hi..
05:03 Amit        hmm
05:03 brendan     just doing some traveling
05:03 Amit        http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-July/003917.html
05:03 Amit        my second patch
05:03 brendan     how you doing --
05:03 brendan     heya Amit
05:03 Amit        hi brendan
04:57 jenish      am new to koha.... can nybody help...
04:57 jenish      i cant install 'Net::Z3950::ZOOM' in ubuntu8.10
04:55 jenish      hi
04:37 Amit        hmmm
04:33 Jo          but it is going well.
04:33 Jo          busy testing our new koha 3 test site - micro testing :)
04:33 Jo          very good.
04:29 Amit        Jo: i m fine what about u
04:25 Jo          how are you today?
04:25 Jo          Hi AMit
03:23 Amit        Hi Chris, Jo
03:23 Amit        hi #koha good morning
21:35 pianohacker brb
20:54 richard     hi chris
20:53 chris       morning
20:36 richard     hi
20:20 owen        That seems to have worked fine
20:16 gmcharlt    git pull ~gmc/koha/dev jquery
20:16 gmcharlt    owen: ah, in that case try
20:15 gmcharlt    owen: patch was prepared by beppu using 1.6.3.3 and appplied successfully by me in 1.5.6.5
20:15 owen        I'm working on Arwen
20:15 gmcharlt    owen: what version of git are you running?
20:12 owen        gmcharlt: I get "error: No changes" when I try to apply jquery1.patch
20:12 schuster    Yes - I wanted to ask about permissions and how that impacts the staff login vs opac.
20:11 Wizzyrea_   >.<
20:11 Wizzyrea_   er wiki
20:11 Wizzyrea_   http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:ldap&rev=1246935665&do=diff
20:10 Wizzyrea_   schuster; did you see atz's blog post?/
20:10 gmcharlt    owen: ok, try this: http://arwen.metavore.com/~gmc/patches/jquery/
20:08 owen        gmcharlt: those patches don't apply for me. I'm not sure if it's the patches themselves or the path between my email and my git repo
20:05 owen        Looks like John Beppu was reading the same article today on learningjquery.com that I was
20:04 schuster    anybody here using LDAP for authentication?
19:55 gmcharlt    owen: forwarded
19:08 owen        gmcharlt: I've got some time now if you've got the patches
18:15 gmcharlt    ok; I'll send you the patches in case you have a chance
18:12 owen        I was just thinking about undertaking some upgrade tests myself! But I can't promise anything: I'm going out of town for a few days tomorrow
18:11 gmcharlt    owen: would you have a chance to test some patches implementing a jQuery upgrade?
17:49 schuster    Nobody seems to know how to fix it so that's why it is a "feature" that needs to have an "enhancement" ;)
17:43 owen        Not that I know how to fix it :)
17:43 owen        schuster: I'd classify that as a genuine bug, not an enhancement
17:21 schuster    I feel an enhancement coming on...
17:21 schuster    Does it drive anyone else crazy or just us that the facets in the opac for searching branches is in a "random" order?
17:11 |Lupin|     thanks for your recommandation owen-away
17:09 owen        |Lupin|: I think your only other choice is to look for a standard MARC field to store that information, and then to define the appropriate indexes in zebra (something which I don't really know anything about)
17:06 |Lupin|     cause maybe one day a librarian working in our library may want to se item-types or ccodes for something more traditional, so maybe it is wiser to store information like format, public|private domain in a place where it won't bother anybody ?
17:05 |Lupin|     owen: in fact, what I'm wondering is: is it wise to re-use existing koha concepts to capture things that are specific to ur library ?
17:04 |Lupin|     I just discovered that there are also item-level i-types !
17:04 |Lupin|     now
17:04 |Lupin|     owen: yes, I think this I understood
17:03 owen        (I'm not sure why--seems like a poor choice to eliminate any options like that)
17:03 owen        Although again, you can only offer your users one choice of limiters in the advanced search: either ccode or itemtype
17:02 owen        |Lupin|: That certainly sounds workable
16:45 |Lupin|     so maybe two item types (private domain and public domain) and one ccode for each available file format ? would that be okay ?
16:43 |Lupin|     oh, ok
16:43 |Lupin|     (in our model we pla to catalogue all the files we have for one book, with one item <=> one file)
16:43 owen        No
16:42 |Lupin|     so that one (at the biblio level) could be use for public / private domain books, and the other, at the item level, could be used to represent file formats ?
16:42 |Lupin|     owen: is it possible to have item time at the biblio level and another series of item types at the item level ?
16:41 |Lupin|     owen: okay.
16:39 owen        So it might be appropriate to use itemtype or ccode, depending on what other categorization schemes you want to apply to your collection. Keep in mind that in the OPAC's advanced search you can display a filter by itemtype *OR* ccode but not both
16:38 |Lupin|     owen: so the designation may be used as a search criteria, I think
16:37 |Lupin|     owen: however books in the public doman can be downloaded freely wheres books in the private doamin can't
16:37 |Lupin|     owen: in other words, there is no "circulation" per se
16:36 |Lupin|     owen: well this time the question is for my job, so we handle electroni books
16:33 owen        One question is how you would use the designation? As a means of isolating one or the other when searching?
16:33 owen        Collection code might be an appropriate way to handle it, I probably wouldn't choose that because I'd want to be able to define a broader range of collection codes
16:32 owen        Item types should probably be used for categories which affect circulation rules
16:31 |Lupin|     would these be item-types ?
16:31 |Lupin|     how would you guys represent the fact that a book is in the private / public domain ?
15:48 |Lupin|     ebegin: right. Just display the content, not the @ label
15:47 ebegin      But I think that we could prevent to display it to the user...
15:47 |Lupin|     but it is then displayed in the staff client...
15:47 |Lupin|     ebegin: ok
15:47 ebegin      We need a place to store the value, that is the purpose of the @
15:46 ebegin      The @ is the koha's trick to say No subfield.
15:46 pianohacker |Lupin|: yes
15:46 |Lupin|     or is the '@' interpreted as "does not have any subfield" ?
15:45 |Lupin|     my 009 still has this @ subfield...
15:45 |Lupin|     ebegin: how do you remove the subfields of one given field ?
15:43 |Lupin|     ebegin: thanks
15:40 ebegin      |Lupin|, I see.  You can not change the default one, but this is a good suggestion though...
15:39 |Lupin|     But now I think I understood things the wrong way
15:39 |Lupin|     ebegin: So I waned to create a new framework, make this the default and make all my modifications there, so that the default framework installed by Koha remains untouched
15:39 |Lupin|     ebegin: I thought there was a notion of which framework, among those proposed, is used by default, and I thought you can change this setting.
15:38 |Lupin|     ebegin: actually I misunderstood the concept of default framework
15:36 ebegin      you want to edit the default framework? or you want a record to use another one?
15:34 |Lupin|     ebegin: the framework that is used by default
15:34 |Lupin|     oh perhaps ou can't, actually, only choose one framework for each record you want to catalogue...
15:34 ebegin      can you define "change"?
15:33 |Lupin|     hmm how do you change the default cataloguing framework, pls ?
15:30 |Lupin|     perhaps LDAP is the right thing actually
15:30 |Lupin|     owen: me neither, just a vague idea of what it is used for
15:29 owen        I'm not familiar with PAM
15:29 |Lupin|     owen: couldn't they all use PAM or something similar ?
15:26 owen        Unless each supported OpenID...
15:26 owen        They're all separate software systems
15:26 |Lupin|     would make things so mch easier...
15:25 |Lupin|     would it be feasible that once yu have an account somewhere it also works for the rest ?
15:09 schuster    Yep.
15:05 |Lupin|     I guess wiki accounts, bugzilla acconts and koha.org accounts are different ?
15:05 |Lupin|     hmm
14:59 |Lupin|     ebegin: no I think the order of display does not match the one in the xml
14:54 |Lupin|     ebegin: good question, let me see...
14:52 ebegin      are the field in the same order that in marcxml?
14:49 |Lupin|     yes
14:49 ebegin      101 is after 225??
14:49 |Lupin|     And also, there is an @sign just besides to it, as if @ was a subfield... I thought @means no subfield...
14:48 |Lupin|     009 appears between 225 and 101...
14:46 |Lupin|     the only noying thing is that the fields are not sorted the right way
14:46 |Lupin|     ah it's here !!
14:45 |Lupin|     ebegin: yes, I saw it in the marcxml record
14:44 ebegin      are you sure you have a 009 value for the record you are looking at?
14:43 |Lupin|     after all: opac is not that important. The important is staff client
14:43 |Lupin|     I can try again
14:43 |Lupin|     well I didn't see it in the staff client either
14:41 ebegin      so set its hidden to 0 then.  I didn't know you want it to display in the OPAC also
14:40 |Lupin|     ebegin: as said yesterday, I'd like the text to be displayed in the OPAC and in the staff client
14:40 |Lupin|     ebegin: no, not in the editor because it uses javascript
14:36 ebegin      do you look at it in the editor?  The marc view only show fields/subfields with data.
14:36 |Lupin|     ok, changed to 0
14:35 |Lupin|     ebegin: it's -1 at the moment, let me change it
14:34 |Lupin|     indeed returns 1
14:34 |Lupin|     mysql> select hidden from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield='009' and frameworkcode='';
14:32 ebegin      |Lupin|, and make sure you also set the tab to 0
14:32 |Lupin|     ebegin: thanks,let me see
14:32 |Lupin|     owen: this certainly sounds wise, thanks
14:31 ebegin      marc_subfield_structure
14:31 owen        And if you don't plan on working on a particular bug it's there for others to see and try to fix
14:30 |Lupin|     ebegin: could you remind me please in which table it was, so that I can check the curent value ? I think 1 was my last attempt
14:30 owen        Then when you submit your patch you can attach a copy to the bug report.
14:30 owen        |Lupin|: It's good practice to file a bug whether or not you plan to submit a patch. If you know you want to work on the bug yourself you can assign it to yourself.
14:30 ebegin      s/value/hidden value/
14:29 ebegin      |Lupin|, I was able to see this field yesterday when I set its value to 1...
14:29 |Lupin|     owen: I didn't do so so far because my hope was to be able to submit a patch
14:29 |Lupin|     owen: ok
14:23 owen        |Lupin|: I encourage you to file a bug report for each page/feature you find which you think should work without JavaScript.
14:19 |Lupin|     tried different values for that field, no change
14:19 |Lupin|     gmcharlt: if you mean the hidden column in a table I don't remember the name, yes
14:19 gmcharlt    did you check the field visibility setting?
14:19 |Lupin|     so I entered a description for it but it does not show up in OPAC or staff client
14:18 |Lupin|     it's a coded field I'd like to use to store the old biblio numbers
14:18 |Lupin|     gmcharlt: I was trying to tell koha to add unimarc field 009 to the current cataloguing framework
14:16 gmcharlt    |Lupin|: please remind me what your question is
14:16 |Lupin|     gmcharlt: did you se my message about unimarc field 009 ? Any idea who could help with that, pls ?
14:15 |Lupin|     ebegin: and about links & co, they won't be very helpful because their javascript support is rudimentary...
14:15 |Lupin|     ebegin: yeah, I know bulkmarcimport, but stage parc records may also be useful some time
14:14 |Lupin|     hello gmcharlt
14:12 ebegin      hi gmcharlt
14:10 gmcharlt    hi folks
14:09 ebegin      |Lupin|, you may want to try Links http://links.twibright.com/features.php
14:03 ebegin      there is a bulkmarcimport.pl script that you could use.
13:56 |Lupin|     any hint ?
13:56 |Lupin|     but it does not work
13:56 |Lupin|     so I replaced the button by <input type="submit"/>
13:56 |Lupin|     tried t modify the html page, just to see whether canmake something usable with lynx
13:56 |Lupin|     the submit button is again javascripted
13:55 |Lupin|     trying to use the stage marc impor feature
13:55 |Lupin|     folks
13:49 ebegin      :)
13:49 owen        I guess I'll have to look into the command line option when I *don't* want the 32-bit version!
13:48 owen        I started to, and then realized Inkscape was exporting the 32-bit version by default.
13:48 ebegin      owen, did you look at the command line option for exporting your svg file?
13:04 hdl_laptop  hi owen .
13:02 owen        What's new #koha?