| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:00 |
|
No_Reply |
i'm moving my 942k records from last night to 952o |
| 12:01 |
|
Amit |
k |
| 12:01 |
|
No_Reply |
errr...thought you were someone else, actually |
| 13:25 |
|
Hery_R |
Hi folks |
| 13:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi |
| 13:28 |
|
Hery_R |
I'm finalizing an evaluation of Koha as a part of Opensource ILS, and there's some point I can't evaluate by myself, perhaps somebody here could help me |
| 13:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
ask away |
| 13:29 |
|
Hery_R |
How far stemming and lemmatisation are implemented in koha? |
| 13:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
stemming is supportred, and will soon be improved |
| 13:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
stemming support is for most major European languages |
| 13:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
lemmatization is not currently supported |
| 13:34 |
|
Hery_R |
ok, thanks :) |
| 14:21 |
|
slef |
Does Jean-André Santoni come on here at all? |
| 14:21 |
|
slef |
hi all by the way |
| 14:24 |
|
slef |
I was hoping to discuss bug 3144 because I really don't want to have Koha discriminate against people like me. |
| 14:24 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5, ---, jeanandre.santoni biblibre.com, NEW, anti-spam for opac-suggestions |
| 14:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
slef: pleading ignorance, what would you be discriminated against for? |
| 14:27 |
|
No_Reply |
looks like some have pointed out that reCAPTCHA isn't accessible to people with visual and hearing impairments |
| 14:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
slef: never mind, rtfb |
| 14:28 |
|
wizzyrea |
so I see |
| 14:28 |
|
wizzyrea |
I can see this |
| 14:28 |
|
No_Reply |
count yourself one of the lucky ones :P |
| 14:29 |
|
slef |
wizzyrea: I have poor eyesight and damaged hearing |
| 14:30 |
|
No_Reply |
slef: do you have an alternate solution |
| 14:31 |
|
slef |
yes. Install anti-spam methods, such as blogspam.net |
| 14:31 |
|
No_Reply |
it looks like the current problem is that the entire feature must be disabled |
| 14:38 |
|
hdl_laptop |
slef: Jean André is Kivutar |
| 14:38 |
|
hdl_laptop |
and he is there |
| 14:38 |
|
Kivutar |
here I am :) |
| 14:39 |
|
Kivutar |
slef: I sent a mail to Nicolas Morin this morning, about this bug |
| 14:44 |
|
No_Reply |
Kivutar: so what's the current status? are we looking into more accessible alternatives to reCAPTCHA? |
| 14:48 |
|
Kivutar |
No_Reply: yes, I would prefer to use a non discriminative way to solve this problem |
| 14:50 |
|
Kivutar |
but I am waiting for Nicolas Morin to reply to my mail first, he's my employer and I cannot do without his advice |
| 15:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
Kivutar: +1 |
| 15:01 |
|
slef |
bah, employment ;-) |
| 15:01 |
|
Kivutar |
:) |
| 15:26 |
|
slef |
anyone got comments on bug 3332 I should take into consideration? |
| 15:26 |
|
|Lupin| |
till soon |
| 15:26 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 15:26 |
|
|Lupin| |
bye |
| 15:27 |
|
slef |
that's odd. I thought the thing after P5 was the sponsorship status |
| 15:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: it is, but for some reason is not consistently pulled up by munin |
| 15:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
@bug 3332 |
| 15:34 |
|
munin |
gmcharlt: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 15:50 |
|
kf |
is it possible to prevent holds, when one item in patron library is still on shelf and available? |
| 15:52 |
|
pianohacker |
kf: Not sure what you're asking. Are you wondering if you can prevent holds on checked in items? |
| 15:52 |
|
kf |
I found out, that I can forbit holds on available items with AllowOnShelfHolds OFF, but then i cant reserve the item from another branch |
| 15:52 |
|
kf |
yes |
| 15:52 |
|
pianohacker |
So you want to be able to reserve checked-in items from other branches, but not this branch? I don't think that's currently possible |
| 15:53 |
|
kf |
holdability depending on item status or something like that |
| 15:53 |
|
kf |
yes, thats what I wanted |
| 15:53 |
|
kf |
its about closed stack access |
| 15:53 |
|
kf |
I try to find out, how to manage this with Koha |
| 15:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: it's there in part (see the bottom of the circ rules page in 3.2), but doesn't handle differntiating local on-shelf holds vs. remote ones |
| 15:54 |
|
kf |
but its holdabilty per item type |
| 15:54 |
|
kf |
so its gerneally not holdable, as far as I undertand it |
| 15:54 |
|
kf |
what I m looking for is somethong with holdability and item status (on loan, not for loan, available) |
| 15:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: well, it's holdabilty divided into three options per branch/itemtype |
| 15:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
* allow from any librayr |
| 15:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
* only from home library |
| 15:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
* not allowed at all |
| 15:55 |
|
kf |
but it seems, that as long as AllowOnShelfHolds is OFF you cant reserve, even iif its allow from any library |
| 15:56 |
|
kf |
because its on shelf in the other library |
| 15:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
right, the on-shelf setting is currently global |
| 15:57 |
|
kf |
our libraries normally expect holds to work: if there is an item in currend library available for checkout - tell patron to go to shelf |
| 15:58 |
|
kf |
it there is no item available in current library - tell user he can reserve |
| 15:58 |
|
kf |
I think this cant be done with Koha - but I was not sure, if I missed something |
| 15:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: no, I think some coding would be needed |
| 15:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: I suggest adding that to bugs.koha.org |
| 16:00 |
|
kf |
I think something like AllowOnShelfHolds by library would be a good start |
| 16:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: that would be useful, yes, but not sufficient to meet your workflow |
| 16:02 |
|
kf |
no, still thinking about it |
| 16:02 |
|
kf |
holds are giving me headaches |
| 16:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) |
| 16:04 |
|
kf |
yes |
| 16:04 |
|
kf |
and our project library is not a simple one |
| 16:05 |
|
atz |
yeah, it would be nice if we could arbitrarily cap the complexity of holds logic... |
| 16:06 |
|
kf |
how do your libraries work? |
| 16:06 |
|
kf |
can users just reserve everything, even if its on shelf and librarians are supposed to get it for them? |
| 16:07 |
|
atz |
kf: mostly, yes. |
| 16:07 |
|
kf |
very conient |
| 16:07 |
|
kf |
convenient |
| 16:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, under that model the complexity is not with who gets to place requests |
| 16:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
but routing items to fill the requests |
| 16:09 |
|
kf |
I think we expect it to make as little work as possible |
| 16:09 |
|
kf |
by telling the patron: look on shelf, there is still an item you can get |
| 16:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
@quote add gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) |
| 16:13 |
|
munin |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #6 added. |
| 16:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
@quote random |
| 16:13 |
|
munin |
wizzyrea: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) |
| 16:14 |
|
kf |
ok, MARC and holds management are evil g |
| 16:23 |
|
No_Reply |
i have a bit of an odd problem |
| 16:23 |
|
kf |
ok, I will write a summary, about what I think can be done now and discuss with my colleagues, what is missing, thx gmcharlt |
| 16:24 |
|
slef |
No_Reply: you're named after a bad newsletter From line? ;-) |
| 16:25 |
|
No_Reply |
i've just updated all of our records, moving call numbers from 942k to 952o |
| 16:26 |
|
No_Reply |
for koha 3.0.1 |
| 16:27 |
|
No_Reply |
but records created under 3.0.1 and a handful of older ones (maybe 50 total, including the 10 or so new records) still have NULL under itemcallnumber |
| 16:28 |
|
No_Reply |
select biblionumber, bibid from marc_biblio where biblionumber = 8905; Empty set (0.00 sec) |
| 16:28 |
|
No_Reply |
this is the case for those 50+ records, but not for the rest |
| 16:28 |
|
No_Reply |
am I missing something? |
| 16:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
No_Reply: marc_biblio is a holdover from your upgrade from 2.2 |
| 16:29 |
|
No_Reply |
i see |
| 16:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
so it's possible that those records may not have been quite right to begin with |
| 16:29 |
|
No_Reply |
what replaced it? |
| 16:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
biblio and biblioitems |
| 16:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
basically, the MARC tags from marc_biblio got converted to MARC and MARCXML blobs |
| 16:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
in biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml |
| 16:31 |
|
No_Reply |
right |
| 16:33 |
|
No_Reply |
so is there a script i can use to find the value in a particular marc field under the new system |
| 16:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
No_Reply: not as such - it takes a bit more doing |
| 16:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
either by doing a search |
| 16:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
or checking for tags that are mapped to specific columns in biblio, bibliotems, or items per the MARC framework |
| 16:34 |
|
No_Reply |
hmmm |
| 16:35 |
|
No_Reply |
well, the problem is that the items I want are mapped incorrectly |
| 16:36 |
|
No_Reply |
the result is, as noted, NULL values in items.itemcallnumber |
| 16:37 |
|
No_Reply |
so i need to grab the data in 942k from the MARC blob, somehow |
| 16:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
No_Reply: do you know any Perl? |
| 16:41 |
|
No_Reply |
yes, i'm using a perl script to do the leg work already |
| 16:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
No_Reply: ok, then you can write a script that uses C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio() to get a MARC::Record object for each affected bib |
| 16:42 |
|
No_Reply |
ok, that helps a lot |
| 16:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
then use MARC::Record and MARC::Field routines to grab the 952$o (or 942$k) for each item |
| 16:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
then use C4::Items::ModItem({ itemcallnumber => $foo }, $biblionumber, $itemnumber) to make the change |
| 16:45 |
|
No_Reply |
already doing moditem |
| 16:45 |
|
No_Reply |
was just using the database to grab the 942k data |
| 16:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 16:46 |
|
No_Reply |
if i can use GetMarcBibilio and MARC::Record to do what i was doing with SQL, then it should work |
| 16:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: about? |
| 16:51 |
|
hdl_laptop |
nahuel: went |
| 16:51 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi gmcharlt |
| 16:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop |
| 16:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
question regarding bug 2893 |
| 16:51 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2893 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Allow the staff to force loaning of not for loan documents |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'm assuming that the AllowNotForLoanOverride syspref should work |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
regardless of whether the item is normally not for loan because of its item type |
| 16:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
or because of the item's individual not-for-loan flag |
| 16:55 |
|
hdl_laptop |
It makes sense. |
| 16:56 |
|
No_Reply |
gmcharlt: that seems to have worked |
| 16:56 |
|
No_Reply |
thanks |
| 16:56 |
|
No_Reply |
dinner time now |
| 17:01 |
|
hdl_laptop |
but gmcharlt I suppose that if nahuel did so it was because it was asked as such. |
| 17:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: well, that's the question |
| 17:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
may have been asked that way, or nahuel may have just implemented the one case or not the other |
| 17:04 |
|
kf |
speaking about not for loan: if itemtype is not for loan items get displayed as available in OPAC |
| 17:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
kf: that be a bug - please enter it in bugs.koha.org if it's not there already |
| 17:07 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I think it was asked for only one case, and tested in that case |
| 17:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I will send him an email |
| 17:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 17:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
based on the one customer support issue where that's come up, my current preference is to have the syspref handle both cases |
| 17:09 |
|
kf |
searching in bugs.koha.org now |
| 17:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
unless it turns out that there's some reason to have separate sysprefs |
| 17:53 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: about bug 3332 - are there (m)any big changes to borrowers which will hinder forward-porting it to 3.2? |
| 17:53 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 17:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: except for the odd new column or two, none that I can think of |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
@wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 18:08 |
|
munin |
chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on June 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:08 |
|
slef |
gmcharlt: cool. Thanks. |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
i hate southerlies |
| 18:09 |
|
slef |
@wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET |
| 18:09 |
|
munin |
slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 19.3°C (7:08 PM BST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:09 |
|
slef |
time for a bike ride :) |
| 18:09 |
|
slef |
bbl |
| 18:15 |
|
paul_p |
@wunder montauban, france |
| 18:15 |
|
munin |
paul_p: The current temperature in Montauban, La Ville Dieu Du Temple, France is 21.7°C (8:14 PM CEST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:15 |
|
eric_b |
@wunder montreal, quebec |
| 18:15 |
|
munin |
eric_b: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 22.0°C (2:00 PM EDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:22 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 19:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
good night, France. Good day, NZ |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
< rangi> kgs: have they actually said anything about FLOSS yet? |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
< kgs> @rangi there was a slide that said open source on it. |
| 19:29 |
|
ebegin |
chris, hehe |
| 19:30 |
|
rhcl |
@wunder what's polaris |
| 19:30 |
|
munin |
rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:30 |
|
ebegin |
chris, a plugin for munin telling what time is it where would be nice... |
| 19:30 |
|
slef |
rhcl: I don't know either |
| 19:31 |
|
slef |
rhcl: and I'm being too lazy to look up |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
proprietary ILS |
| 19:31 |
|
rhcl |
:) |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
admittedly a fairly no crap one, compared to the others |
| 19:31 |
|
slef |
"the brightest star in the constellation Ursa Minor" thanks wikipedia |
| 19:31 |
|
rhcl |
Ah, I was thinking submarine. An open source nuke sub would be really cool. |
| 19:31 |
|
slef |
@wikipedia polaris |
| 19:31 |
|
munin |
slef: downloading the Perl source |
| 19:32 |
|
slef |
I could probably write a wikipedia plugin using wp.dg.cx pretty easily |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
they are picking up a lot of ex horizon customers |
| 19:32 |
|
slef |
but I've also got work to do :) |
| 19:32 |
|
slef |
boo! |
| 19:32 |
|
chris |
but are obviously worried that koha and evergreen are too |
| 19:32 |
|
slef |
from the end-of-life frying pan back into the proprietary fire? |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
so do some webinar, about 'open source' to try and muddy the waters |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
vendor_locking-- |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
lockin too |
| 19:33 |
|
ebegin |
a lot of proprietary ILS are worried by Koha and Evergreen... |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
good |
| 19:34 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 19:35 |
|
ebegin |
chrisL: You are following the conf on twitter? |
| 19:35 |
|
chris |
kgs (from evergreen) was/is |
| 19:35 |
|
chris |
in the webinar, and i was following her tweets |
| 19:36 |
|
chris |
i would have had to install some proprietary crud to watch the webinar :-) |
| 19:36 |
|
ebegin |
is the webinar can be access by anyone? |
| 19:37 |
|
chris |
i think its finished now, but yes i think that was the idea |
| 19:37 |
|
ebegin |
ok |
| 19:39 |
|
chris |
ebegin: you will appreciate this one http://twitter.com/taonga/status/2190392556 |
| 19:39 |
|
ebegin |
Is there a script in Koha comparing the content of a biblio to authorities and link them together? |
| 19:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
ebegin: link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 19:40 |
|
ebegin |
gmcharlt, my understanding of this script is that it checks the $9 field and copy the authority info in the biblio. |
| 19:42 |
|
ebegin |
What I'm looking for is a biblio without $9 subfields. Comparing info (ex: 700) with all authorities and assing the authnumber to the $9 field if there is a match... |
| 19:43 |
|
slef |
ebegin: that would be cool |
| 19:43 |
|
slef |
chris: Debian MiniConf @ LCA2010 in Wellington — help needed |
| 19:43 |
|
chris |
i think ryan had something like that |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
slef: orly? |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
we was planning to help with the perl one |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
ill ping the dd at work |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
dd's even |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
we=I :) |
| 19:46 |
|
slef |
tyvm... mail was to debian-project by madduck |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
penny's man :) |
| 19:47 |
|
slef |
yep |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
angling for a trip back to nz :) |
| 19:48 |
|
chris |
im sure we can sort something out |
| 19:48 |
|
chris |
ill forward the email to some people |
| 19:55 |
|
chris |
done, something to suprise them when they get to work :) |
| 20:00 |
|
chris |
hello kansas |
| 20:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
ebegin: no, the script checks headings in the bib record and creates $9 if the subfield exists |
| 20:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
*authority exists |
| 20:02 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
oh... the responsibility! |
| 20:03 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
<there's no place like home... there's no place like home...> |
| 20:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
are Kansans sick of that joke by now? |
| 20:03 |
|
Snow_Fox |
kinda tune it out actually |
| 20:03 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
oh... yea, exactly |
| 20:03 |
|
chris |
its evolved |
| 20:04 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i mention that a munchkin hung himself in the film and that usually stops that |
| 20:04 |
|
chris |
(thats all nzers know about kansas) |
| 20:04 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
O.o |
| 20:05 |
|
slef |
I just misread nzers... too much BNP news lately :-/ |
| 20:05 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
snow_fox: :) |
| 20:05 |
|
Snow_Fox |
its like throwing a pipwrench into a bunch of gears |
| 20:05 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
without all the screeching |
| 20:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea++ |
| 20:05 |
|
chris |
slef: ouch please dont confuse us with them :) |
| 20:05 |
|
Snow_Fox |
eh |
| 20:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
Snow_Fox: of course, then there's http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/ozsuicide.asp |
| 20:06 |
|
Snow_Fox |
were all people :-P |
| 20:06 |
|
chris |
you know who the BNP are Snow_Fox ? |
| 20:06 |
|
chris |
i wouldnt call them people |
| 20:06 |
|
Snow_Fox |
nopers |
| 20:06 |
|
Snow_Fox |
but i was refering to the New Zelanders |
| 20:06 |
|
chris |
think world war 2, a word that has n and z in it |
| 20:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
pardon the spelling :-P |
| 20:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
gotcha |
| 20:07 |
|
slef |
Snow_Fox: BNP are the British Nazi Party |
| 20:07 |
|
slef |
of course, officially it's N for National |
| 20:07 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
national, according to wikipedia |
| 20:07 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
but they sound vile |
| 20:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
you would think that would be rather defeatist |
| 20:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
and on that note |
| 20:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
lunch time |
| 20:07 |
|
slef |
who was the KohaCon 2009 committee? Only the three on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 ? |
| 20:08 |
|
chris |
speaking of which, so far its Jo from hlt and I |
| 20:09 |
|
chris |
for the wellington bid, we would love anyone else who wants to help organise |
| 20:10 |
|
chris |
those 3 plus tina and nicole |
| 20:10 |
|
chris |
afaik |
| 20:11 |
|
chris |
oh, i lie nicole has volunteered to help organising too, so yay for that |
| 20:11 |
|
chris |
nengard++ |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
im hoping we can get the use of one of the universities facilities for 2010 |
| 20:14 |
|
wizzyrea1 |
ooh that would be good |
| 20:14 |
|
chris |
victoria university has a good library science program |
| 20:15 |
|
chris |
and brenda chawner there, is a big FLOSS fan |
| 20:15 |
|
chris |
so ill try to co-opt her :) |
| 20:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: do you know Adrienne Ridley-Houlker there? |
| 20:30 |
|
brendan |
Would love plan this on-site -- but I can only contribute virtually |
| 20:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, I'd help too except not for sure for sure I will be able to come (but will try to move heaven and earth to make sure when the time is nearer) |
| 20:39 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:42 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ebegin : what you are looking for was done for 2.2 |
| 20:43 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I have adapted for 3.0, but there are two chunks of code : |
| 20:44 |
|
hdl_laptop |
One pm and one script which uses that. |
| 20:45 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I have not committed it because it is not stable enough in my opinion and lacks documentation. |
| 20:45 |
|
hdl_laptop |
+ it is adapted to UNIMARC and would require some work to adapt to MARC21. |
| 20:46 |
|
pianohacker |
Has anyone else seen a problem where, say, C4::Stats exports DoBlah, and C4::Circulation use's C4::Stats, but using DoBlah in C4::Circulation results in an error? I've seen it and worked around it, but cannot figure out what triggers it |
| 20:50 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I would have suspected that either. |
| 20:50 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But no evidence for it |
| 20:50 |
|
hdl_laptop |
good nite |
| 20:50 |
|
pianohacker |
good night |
| 21:28 |
|
pianohacker |
graphviz input file of Koha's dependencies (have chewed through my swap and crashed circo trying to display this): http://pastebin.ca/1462625 |
| 21:45 |
|
chris |
back |
| 21:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
quickie: correct that staff results have no xslt display? |
| 21:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
(yet) |
| 21:50 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: name doesnt ring a bell |
| 21:50 |
|
chris |
wizzyrea: i think that is correct |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
pianohacker: C4::Circ certainly has issues |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
uses C4::Reserves which in turn uses C4::Circulation |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
theres a potential memory leak there, for running under mod_perl |
| 22:03 |
|
chris |
brendan: thanks for the volunteering :) |
| 22:03 |
|
chris |
right i think ive caught up :) |
| 22:04 |
|
brendan |
:) |
| 22:04 |
|
brendan |
chris -- Assuming your the project manager on that one -- so let me know what I can do! |
| 22:05 |
|
chris |
ill probably defer to Jo mostly :) |
| 22:12 |
|
brendan |
@later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need |
| 22:12 |
|
munin |
brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 22:12 |
|
brendan |
@later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need |
| 22:12 |
|
munin |
brendan: I suck |
| 22:12 |
|
chris |
you need @later tell |
| 22:12 |
|
brendan |
thanks |
| 22:13 |
|
brendan |
@later tell Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need |
| 22:13 |
|
munin |
brendan: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:13 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:13 |
|
brendan |
sweet |
| 22:58 |
|
Jo |
morning |
| 22:58 |
|
pianohacker |
Good morning |
| 22:58 |
|
chris |
hi jo |
| 22:58 |
|
Jo |
how are you |
| 23:06 |
|
pianohacker |
How do you manage multiple Zebra installations (for multiple databases, say) on one server, #koha ? Multiple instances of zebrasrv seems like the most likely option, but also wasteful |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
you can define as many db's in your config file as you want |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
and have one zebra that runs them all |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
*but* |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
you will get into logjams indexing |
| 23:09 |
|
pianohacker |
I wondered |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
multiple instances of zebrasrv running is probably the safest |
| 23:10 |
|
pianohacker |
And just configure each one with the corresponding koha-conf.xml |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 23:11 |
|
pianohacker |
k, thanks |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
so you only need one installed, but you can have multiples running |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
(not all trying to use the same port/socket of course :)) |
| 23:14 |
|
pianohacker |
definitely not; zebra's touchy enough as it is |
| 23:14 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 00:05 |
|
chris |
@later tell paul_p http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]gainst-All-Blacks |
| 00:05 |
|
munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:20 |
|
brendan |
excuse me if I have missed this somewhere - but on my koha-dev install -- all of the files in the clone have the permissions of my user -- but all of the files under my koha-dev have the permissions of root? -- does this have something to do with the install script? |
| 01:20 |
|
chris |
yeah the sudo make install |
| 01:20 |
|
chris |
does that |
| 01:21 |
|
chris |
i sudo chown -R koha:koha ~/koha-dev |
| 01:21 |
|
chris |
usually |
| 01:24 |
|
brendan |
sorry just clarify what you mean there -- when running the sudo make install -- that will cause the koha-dev portion to have root permissions |
| 01:25 |
|
chris |
yeah cos you are running it as root |
| 01:25 |
|
brendan |
running the install - right gotcha |
| 01:25 |
|
brendan |
ok next thing -- should that info be added to the manual ? |
| 01:26 |
|
brendan |
even though the manual is usually only geared for simple install |
| 01:26 |
|
chris |
well, the idea is the dev install is for dev installers :) |
| 01:26 |
|
brendan |
errr.. standard |
| 01:26 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 01:26 |
|
chris |
the standard install does the chown step |
| 01:26 |
|
brendan |
correct -- I guess I also just did this in the past |
| 01:26 |
|
brendan |
and I'm only asking now |
| 01:27 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 01:27 |
|
brendan |
well at least until the first time -- it said I didn't have permissions to write into my zebradb.. hehe |
| 01:27 |
|
chris |
but on the wiki wouldnt hurt |
| 01:27 |
|
brendan |
ahah |
| 01:29 |
|
brendan |
thanks chris |
| 01:29 |
|
chris |
np |
| 02:07 |
|
brendan |
@wunder Santa Barbara |
| 02:07 |
|
munin |
brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 02:07 |
|
brendan |
@wunder Santa Barbara, CA |
| 02:08 |
|
munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.4°C (7:07 PM PDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 02:08 |
|
brendan |
that feels cold to me ;) |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan, richard, Jo, Chris, mason |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
good morning #koha |
| 03:26 |
|
richard |
hey amit |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
richard: NZ out of T-20 world cup |
| 03:26 |
|
brendan |
hey amit |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
India loss another match |
| 03:26 |
|
richard |
yep |
| 03:55 |
|
chris |
http://opensource.califa.org/ |
| 03:55 |
|
chris |
anyone ever heard of these guys? |
| 03:58 |
|
richard |
interesting |
| 03:59 |
|
chris |
yeah, first ive seen of them |
| 04:05 |
|
mason |
hi folks |
| 04:06 |
|
richard |
hey mason |
| 04:06 |
|
chris |
heya mason |
| 04:07 |
|
Amit |
heya mason |
| 04:07 |
|
mason |
me+++ |
| 04:16 |
|
brendan |
hey mason |
| 04:16 |
|
mason |
heya brendan, looong time no chat |
| 04:16 |
|
brendan |
ha - can you self karma ? |
| 04:16 |
|
mason |
mason++ |
| 04:16 |
|
munin |
mason: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 04:16 |
|
brendan |
never even thought to ask that |
| 04:16 |
|
mason |
brendan++ |
| 04:16 |
|
brendan |
there you go |
| 04:16 |
|
brendan |
mason ++ |
| 04:16 |
|
mason |
aaaw, thanx |
| 04:17 |
|
chris |
no space brendan, or it doesnt count :) |
| 04:17 |
|
brendan |
mason++ |
| 04:17 |
|
brendan |
thanks |
| 04:29 |
|
chris |
right time to start figuring out something for dinner |
| 04:54 |
|
brendan |
good night #koha -- early night for me :) |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
night brendan |
| 05:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi |
| 05:44 |
|
Amit |
hi Lupin |
| 05:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
hey Amit |
| 05:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
Amit: you live in Delhi ? |
| 05:45 |
|
Amit |
no i m in bangalore |
| 05:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
Amit: ah okay. This is in India, right ? |
| 05:48 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 05:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi laurence |
| 05:50 |
|
laurence |
hello |Lupin| |
| 05:52 |
|
Amit |
hi laurence |
| 05:52 |
|
Jo |
woo hoo! Presenting Koha 3.0 at the LIANZA conf in NZ in Nov |
| 05:52 |
|
Amit |
hi jo |
| 05:52 |
|
Jo |
Hi AMit |
| 05:52 |
|
Jo |
How are things with you |
| 05:52 |
|
Amit |
every thing is fine here |
| 05:52 |
|
Amit |
u tell Jo |
| 05:54 |
|
Amit |
hi greenmang0 |
| 05:56 |
|
Jo |
might have to talk to Zeno about the very cute web 2.0 stuff he knows about |
| 06:09 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
| 06:20 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 06:20 |
|
chris |
i called it |
| 06:21 |
|
Amit |
hi nicomo |
| 06:22 |
|
nicomo |
hi all |
| 06:22 |
|
nicomo |
hi Amit |
| 06:23 |
|
chris |
http://tinyurl.com/mksgf5 |
| 06:23 |
|
greenmang0 |
Amit: |
| 06:23 |
|
chris |
and now |
| 06:23 |
|
Amit |
hi greenman0 |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
Health officials say it may not be long before they give up trying to contain the virus and move instead into managing it. |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
i should by a lotto ticket |
| 06:27 |
|
Amit |
chris: 31 swine flu cases in india |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
we are up to 100+ here |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
so far it seems like a mild form of the flu |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
that spreads fast |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
(altho since its the first flu they have ever really tracked from the start there is nothing to compare it with) |
| 07:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
chris: is nicolas registered user for french on Pootle ? |
| 07:03 |
|
chris |
hi kf and paul_p |
| 07:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
| 07:04 |
|
chris |
lemme check |
| 07:04 |
|
chris |
nope just you |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
he has now |
| 07:05 |
|
hdl_laptop |
could you add him ? |
| 07:05 |
|
hdl_laptop |
thanks. |
| 07:05 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Is there no way for a registered user to add another one ? |
| 07:06 |
|
chris |
yep you had the rights to do that |
| 07:06 |
|
chris |
http://translate.koha.org/fr/opac3_0/admin.html |
| 07:06 |
|
chris |
can you see that page (need to be logged in) |
| 07:24 |
|
kf |
good morning :) |
| 07:30 |
|
hdl_laptop |
chris: I can. Is there anything to do for Pascale ebegin and another Southern person ? |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
if you want to add them you can on that page |
| 07:30 |
|
chris |
you choose them from the drop down, then select their permissions on the right |
| 07:33 |
|
chris |
(those are the users who have chosen french as their language) |
| 07:33 |
|
chris |
once a user does that, we can then assign them some permissions |
| 07:40 |
|
atz |
how awesome is this... http://www.facebook.com/ext/sh[…]sb&u=8D9L8&ref=nf |
| 07:41 |
|
atz |
sorry.... |
| 07:41 |
|
atz |
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/[…]be-televised.html |
| 07:41 |
|
atz |
ohio state guy in the middle of the democratic protests in tehran |
| 07:42 |
|
chris |
that is awesome, on so many levels :) |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
late night atz ? |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
or super early morning |
| 07:43 |
|
atz |
yeah, heading to bed now |
| 07:43 |
|
atz |
fell asleep on the couch |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
ahh :) |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
hi |Lupin| |
| 09:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi chris |
| 09:37 |
|
|Lupin| |
is it really true that an ISBN is not a unique identifier ? Are there examples of books that are completely different and still have the same ISBN ? |
| 09:45 |
|
Elwell |
|Lupin|: yep - I've seen US vs Europe have different books from same publisher |
| 09:46 |
|
Elwell |
can't bring up an example now, but I discovered it when doing book lookup via ISBN for a bookseller DB |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
they also ran out of numbers |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
hence now its 13 |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
but while it was still 10, the publishers decided to reuse some |
| 09:49 |
|
Elwell |
chris: I thought the move to 13 was to save doing the conversion from raw ISBN to barcode |
| 09:49 |
|
Elwell |
ie, change prefix and checksum |
| 09:50 |
|
Elwell |
978 is 'bookland' country of origin IIRC |
| 09:50 |
|
Elwell |
but hey, I'm only a geek not a librarian :-) |
| 09:51 |
|
Elwell |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B[…](imaginary_place) |
| 09:53 |
|
kf |
different editions can also have the same ISBN |
| 09:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay guys, thanks a lot ! |
| 09:55 |
|
chris |
Elwell: yeah 978 is for those that had an ISBN 10 already |
| 09:55 |
|
chris |
This change is happening for the following reasons: |
| 09:55 |
|
chris |
to expand the numbering capacity of the ISBN system and alleviate numbering shortages in certain areas of the world; |
| 09:55 |
|
chris |
to fully align the numbering system for books with the global EAN.UCC identification system that is widely used to identify most other consumer goods worldwide. |
| 09:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm I wasn't aware of this one... |
| 09:56 |
|
chris |
|Lupin|: most national librarys act as duplicate clearing houses and report any they find |
| 09:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: not sure I understand what you say correctly... you mean that it is not unusual to get several results for an ISBN search done at a national library ? |
| 09:58 |
|
chris |
it is unusual |
| 09:58 |
|
chris |
but sometimes happens |
| 09:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
I see |
| 09:59 |
|
chris |
not at a national library usually |
| 09:59 |
|
chris |
more likely to happen when you are searching multiple sources |
| 09:59 |
|
chris |
for eg, if i search Library of congress and BNF |
| 10:00 |
|
chris |
i might find 2 items with the same isbn |
| 10:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: if an ISBN search returns only one result, how trustworthy do you hink this result is ? can one be sure that this single result corresponds to the expected book ? |
| 10:00 |
|
chris |
you cant be sure |
| 10:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
could you give a probability ? |
| 10:00 |
|
chris |
but you can assume with a high degree of probability that it is |
| 10:01 |
|
|Lupin| |
yes, that's what I thought |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
you would need to ask a librarian |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 10:01 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay |
| 10:01 |
|
chris |
i know that librarything gets isbn collisions every so often |
| 10:02 |
|
chris |
but in that case, there might be typo's involved also |
| 10:02 |
|
|Lupin| |
librarything ? |
| 10:03 |
|
chris |
http://www.librarything.com/ |
| 10:03 |
|
chris |
i dont use it, but its pretty popular in the US |
| 10:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
ok |
| 10:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
I am currently trying to talk to the Z3950 server of the national library here in France |
| 10:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
it is terrible |
| 10:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
I think I tried 50 times in 24 hours |
| 10:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
and only one or two connections where successful |
| 10:08 |
|
nicomo |
|Lupin|: yep, at BnF their server is basically broken |
| 10:08 |
|
nicomo |
if it's for testing purposes and you ant unimarc records |
| 10:08 |
|
nicomo |
i suggest you try sudoc at |
| 10:09 |
|
nicomo |
carmin.sudoc.abes.fr:10646 |
| 10:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
nicomo: thanks |
| 10:09 |
|
nicomo |
databse name : abes-z39-public |
| 10:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
nicomo: actually it's not for testing |
| 10:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
our library has around 5000 records |
| 10:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
but very incomplete |
| 10:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
no classification information |
| 10:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
and now we would like to create a real catalogue |
| 10:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
so the idea was to gather all the ISBns of the books we have and download the corresponding records from the BnF |
| 10:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
nicomo: but if you have an idea for an alternative strategy, it'd be very appreciated |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
|Lupin|: is there a chance you can send the ISBN's to BnF |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
and they send back the MARC |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
thats what HLT did with the National Library here in NZ |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
was more efficient than doing 75,000 searches against there z3950 server |
| 10:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: I don't know. I'll have to ask them |
| 10:11 |
|
chris |
there=their |
| 10:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
sure |
| 10:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
that would be very cool actually |
| 10:12 |
|
nicomo |
chris: the french National library doesn't provide that type of service |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
that's a shame |
| 10:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
nicomo: even to another library ? |
| 10:12 |
|
nicomo |
to tell you the truth I sometimes wonder what service they do provide |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 10:13 |
|
nicomo |
|Lupin|: yes, even to another library |
| 10:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
it would be funny, wouldn't it be so sad at the same time |
| 10:13 |
|
nicomo |
what they can do is give you a copy of their catalog |
| 10:13 |
|
nicomo |
the whole mess of it |
| 10:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm that wold be cool also ! |
| 10:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
how big is it ? |
| 10:14 |
|
nicomo |
about 13 million records i think |
| 10:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
I mean in Ggigabytes...:) |
| 10:14 |
|
Elwell |
When coding a system for a 2nd hand bookseller, I found the best validation was by checking against copac.ac.uk z39.50 |
| 10:15 |
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nicomo |
Elwell: yes, but they won't provide unimarc records, probably |
| 10:15 |
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|Lupin| |
Elwell: even for books mostly in french ? |
| 10:15 |
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Elwell |
|Lupin|: was UK based |
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|Lupin| |
Elwell: and also, it is not only for validation, we want to get the classification data |
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Elwell |
http://copac.ac.uk/interfaces/z39.50/ |
| 10:16 |
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Elwell |
There are no plans to deliver MARC records as part of the Copac service |
| 10:16 |
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nicomo |
ok |
| 10:16 |
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nicomo |
interesting though |
| 10:16 |
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nicomo |
well, that being said, it's lunch time here |
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|Lupin| |
yep, thanks Elwell |
| 10:16 |
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nicomo |
bon appêtit |
| 10:17 |
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|Lupin| |
pareil nicomo |
| 10:17 |
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Elwell |
(was my 1st foray into z39.50 as abebooks' software was merde at the time. |
| 10:18 |
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nicomo |
Elwell: seems like the most useful french word entered your lexicon first :-) |
| 10:18 |
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|Lupin| |
:-) |
| 10:19 |
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Elwell |
nicomo: err, and thats from school too. |
| 10:21 |
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Elwell |
mais, vous et raison, c'est dejeuner |
| 10:22 |
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chris |
eiro: just answered your email |
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kf |
lunch time :) |
