| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
I just tried to run the bulkmarcimport script on a file containing just one UNIMARC record. |
| 12:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
This gives me error messages such that |
| 12:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
Use of uninitialized value $biblio_subfield in string at ... |
| 12:01 |
|
|Lupin| |
Did I perhaps forget something ? |
| 12:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: check your MARC frameworks - it looks like the default framework doesn't have biblio.biblionumber mapped to any subfield |
| 12:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: I'm sorry but I did not understand your explanations... can you please explain tome with more details ? I'm really a newbie to koha... |
| 12:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: ok - do you have any MARC frameworks defined? (look in the MARC biblio framework page off of the Administration page) |
| 12:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
let me see... |
| 12:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: just FYI, I'm using lynx to connect to koha's admin site, so even thinks like framework are not necessarily very evocative to me... |
| 12:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: in this case, the link is 'MARC Bibliographic framework' from the admin home page |
| 12:17 |
|
|Lupin| |
koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl script I assume |
| 12:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 12:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
I think the default one is Structure Marc |
| 12:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
does that make sens ? |
| 12:20 |
|
|Lupin| |
actually there is a link associated to this default thing, but when I follow it I come toa page which is, I think, with javascript |
| 12:20 |
|
|Lupin| |
the link is /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marctagstructure.pl?frameworkcode= |
| 12:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, just confirm that a default framework existed |
| 12:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
now go to admin/koha2marclinks.pl |
| 12:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay |
| 12:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
it should give you a list of which Koha fields are mapped to which MARC fields |
| 12:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
Yes |
| 12:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
I have that, I think |
| 12:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
what tag and subfield is biblionumber mapped to? |
| 12:24 |
|
mason |
`hi galen , lupin |
| 12:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm not obvious to day... |
| 12:26 |
|
mason |
galen , a quick Q... |
| 12:26 |
|
mason |
how often does the ./build_holds_queue.pl cron usually run |
| 12:27 |
|
mason |
every minute / or every hour? |
| 12:27 |
|
mason |
(or anyone else that has an answer too :) ) |
| 12:27 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: in the table I think biblionumber is associated to nothing |
| 12:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: There is a link associated to it, and if I follow this link, I can choose a MARC tag and subfield, but I'd say it is not associated to anything so far |
| 12:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi mason, sorry for the late reply |
| 12:29 |
|
mason |
heya lupin |
| 12:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: ok, then set biblionumber to tag 001 (subfield $@) |
| 12:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
and check biblioitems.biblioitemnumber, and if it's not mapped, set to 090 subfield $a |
| 12:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
mason: basically as frequently as the library wants to pull items from the shelf to fill hold requests |
| 12:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: I fear I won't be able to do it easily through the web interface, because at the moment I don't have a javascript-enabled browser available. Is it feasible through an SQL query ? |
| 12:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 12:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
update marc_subfield_stricture set kohafield = 'biblio.biblionumber' where tagfield = '001' and tagsubfield = '@'; |
| 12:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: okay, thanks ! let me try this and see whether I can then see the mapping... |
| 12:35 |
|
mason |
gmcharlt, ta - ill do some testing with it. |
| 12:35 |
|
|Lupin| |
Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 12:35 |
|
|Lupin| |
Rows matched: 0 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 |
| 12:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
hmm |
| 12:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
select count(*) from marc_tag_structure where tagfield = '001'; |
| 12:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
I guess something went wrong, it should have changed one row, right ? |
| 12:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 12:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
and for that matter |
| 12:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001'; |
| 12:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, select tagsubfield, kohafield from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001'; |
| 12:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
Empty set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
hmm - how many rows are theie in marc_subfield_structure total? |
| 12:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
0 |
| 12:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
(I took your last query and removed the where clause) |
| 12:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, that explains it |
| 12:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
ahah... |
| 12:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
select count(*) from marc_tag_structure; |
| 12:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
I guess I did something the wrong way... |
| 12:40 |
|
|Lupin| |
1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
you're using UNIMARC? |
| 12:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
English or French? |
| 12:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
I think I'm using unimarc ! |
| 12:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
at least that's what I intend to do... |
| 12:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
it's french... |
| 12:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, there are some SQL scripts you can run to load the default frameworks |
| 12:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
Bgreat |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
first, do |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
delete from biblio_framework; |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
delete from marc_tag_structure |
| 12:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
just out of curiosity: how should one do with the web interface ? (this part may be accessible...) |
| 12:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
then load the following scripts forom the installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub |
| 12:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 12:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
load Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql |
| 12:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: okay, I didn't see your last line so I was looking for the right script to load, I'm almost done |
| 12:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql |
| 12:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: done |
| 12:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
double-check by doing |
| 12:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure |
| 12:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
mysql> select * from marc_tag_structure; |
| 12:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
992 rows in set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure: 1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
| 12:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
oops I'm not showing the right thing ! |
| 12:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
| 6707 | |
| 12:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
whew! |
| 12:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
sorry gmcharlt? I was really dumb... |
| 12:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
at any rate, you should be set to try the bulkmarcimport.pl run again |
| 12:51 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay ! many many thanks for your patient assistance gmcharlt |
| 12:51 |
|
|Lupin| |
/usr/local/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -c UNIMARC -file marc.dat |
| 12:52 |
|
|Lupin| |
. |
| 12:52 |
|
|Lupin| |
1 MARC records done in 0.0420000553131104 seconds |
| 12:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 12:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
time to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z |
| 12:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
to index |
| 12:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
ow... actually I have ran this program twice, and the first time it complained about uninitialized values, so I ran it again with a redirection to a log file, and it was not the same result... |
| 12:54 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: actually I think koha is configured here to not use zebra... |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, then the record you loaded should already be indexed |
| 12:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
let's see |
| 12:57 |
|
|Lupin| |
yes |
| 12:57 |
|
|Lupin| |
it's there |
| 12:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 12:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
thanks a lot Galen ! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have succedded by myself |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
you're welcome |
| 13:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
z3950.bnf.fr:2211 error: Init rejected (ZOOM:10005) |
| 13:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
Does anybody know what to do with this one ? |
| 13:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh actually there are a lot of parameters to specify to establish the Z3950 connection.. |
| 14:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
hello |
| 14:57 |
|
No_Reply |
i'm having a bit of trouble with koha-marc mapping... |
| 14:58 |
|
No_Reply |
my Item Callnumbers weren't correctly mapped when the database was built |
| 14:58 |
|
No_Reply |
i've remapped them but need to figure out what script to use to rebuild under 3.0.1 |
| 15:02 |
|
No_Reply |
or better yet, the MARC framework tests don't like me mapping itemcallnumber to the anything other than 952, though the call numbers are in 942k |
| 15:03 |
|
|Lupin| |
I'm looking for a document that would give an overview of the key concepts one needs to nderstand to have a good idea about what koha can do and where to look for a given feature. Does such a docuemnt exist ? |
| 15:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
I'm thinking about concepts such as item types, branches, and all these things that are rather mysterious to the newbie I am |
| 15:04 |
|
No_Reply |
you might try http://koha.org/documentation |
| 15:04 |
|
No_Reply |
if you haven't already looked at that |
| 15:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: perhaps the first visit was too shallow... I'll retry |
| 15:30 |
|
No_Reply |
does anyone have any insight on this call number issue? or is no one about? |
| 15:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: I don't know, sorry |
| 15:35 |
|
No_Reply |
thanks |Lupin|, how's the documentation reading coming? |
| 15:39 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: well... the reference manual it's a per-module description of koha. I think I'd prefer (need) a higher level description introducing all the concepts and explaining a bit he impact of the choices one does |
| 15:40 |
|
No_Reply |
right |
| 15:40 |
|
No_Reply |
what kind of environment are you looking at using it in? |
| 15:41 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: it is somewhat specific |
| 15:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: we have a digital library here, which provides digital books to blind persons who can download them and read them in a secured way |
| 15:42 |
|
No_Reply |
quite interesting |
| 15:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: all the library has ben home-made, a few years ago. Now the organization wants to rewrite it around Koha. |
| 15:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: my task is to do that and to see which tools provided by Koha can be used to handle our particular problems (we have files rather than material books, etc.). |
| 15:44 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: yes it is interesting, I agree. It's just that I feel not very well armed to solve the problem |
| 15:44 |
|
No_Reply |
I don't really have much advice for you there--I haven't had to use electronic resources with koha at all |
| 15:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
No_Reply: np |
| 15:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
bye all |
| 15:58 |
|
atz |
|Lupin|: damn... he lleft |
| 15:58 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh, I was going to suggest that he look at something like greenstone |
| 15:58 |
|
wizzyrea |
instead of koha for managing digital collections |
| 15:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh well |
| 15:59 |
|
atz |
yeah, either that or something like 658$u for the URLs? |
| 15:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, or that |
| 16:00 |
|
No_Reply |
greenstone looks like a good pick for him, at a glance |
| 16:00 |
|
No_Reply |
hadn't heard of that |
| 16:02 |
|
No_Reply |
do either of you have any ideas about how i can fix my call number issue |
| 16:02 |
|
No_Reply |
i'm sure it's something silly, but can't seem to figure out how it is supposed to work |
| 16:03 |
|
atz |
No_Reply: you could just re-import and overlay the corrected records |
| 16:03 |
|
No_Reply |
atz: the marc records are correct |
| 16:04 |
|
atz |
or rather, the adjusted-to-be-what-koha-expects records |
| 16:05 |
|
atz |
or am i misunderstanding the problem? |
| 16:05 |
|
No_Reply |
do i need to move all the itemcallnumbers to a 952 field? |
| 16:06 |
|
No_Reply |
the problem is that I don't get call numbers under 'normal' view on a search |
| 16:06 |
|
atz |
i don't know. for the default default framework, i think so. |
| 16:06 |
|
atz |
if that makes sense... |
| 16:06 |
|
No_Reply |
the marc record has call numbers in 050 |
| 16:07 |
|
No_Reply |
and in 942k |
| 16:08 |
|
No_Reply |
i'd much rather re-map the framework than move all the call numbers to a different MARC field--though i don't know whether in theory they should be in 952 rather than 942 |
| 16:08 |
|
atz |
need somebody w/ more cataloging chops than me |
| 16:10 |
|
No_Reply |
942 might be something left over from our koha 2.2 database |
| 16:10 |
|
No_Reply |
it is labeled 'biblioitem information' in the framework |
| 16:11 |
|
atz |
i know the itemcallnumber is held at the item level in koha 3.x ... |
| 16:11 |
|
No_Reply |
whereas 952 is ITEM INFORMATION |
| 16:11 |
|
atz |
right |
| 16:12 |
|
atz |
that is the mapping that makes sense to me, since the same biblio record will apply to items in different libraries or in different collections of the same library. |
| 16:12 |
|
No_Reply |
there isn't any place for a call number under 952 as it exists on our system |
| 16:14 |
|
No_Reply |
atz: suppose i were to change my Koha to Marc mappings. What script would I need to run? |
| 16:14 |
|
No_Reply |
my librarian interface warns me i should run rebuildnonmarc.pl |
| 16:15 |
|
No_Reply |
but that doesn't exist in my installation |
| 16:15 |
|
atz |
checking |
| 16:15 |
|
No_Reply |
has it perhaps been replaced by batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl? |
| 16:16 |
|
atz |
No_Reply: yes, the internal docs for that script refer to it as "rebuildnonmarc" |
| 16:16 |
|
No_Reply |
that's what i figured |
| 16:17 |
|
atz |
the new name is better... but it would be nice if the docs internal and external were updated at the same time as the rename |
| 16:17 |
|
No_Reply |
yes |
| 16:18 |
|
atz |
the script appears to be the right one though |
| 16:19 |
|
atz |
i'll update the old references now |
| 16:23 |
|
No_Reply |
as a hypothetical, if i remapped items.itemcallnumber to 942k and ran that script despite the warnings that the MARC Framework Test throws at me, what would be the likely result? |
| 16:23 |
|
No_Reply |
is that a real no-no, or just bad form? |
| 16:24 |
|
atz |
best I can say is "results undetermined" |
| 16:25 |
|
No_Reply |
this is what i have a functional backup for, i suppose |
| 16:32 |
|
No_Reply |
hmmm, i'm unsure if this is actually a mapping problem... remapping itemcallnumber from blank to 942k doesn't help at all |
| 16:32 |
|
atz |
patch sent |
| 16:33 |
|
atz |
we could use somebody who does more dataloading on this question |
| 16:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
too bad Marc or Michele aren't around |
| 16:34 |
|
No_Reply |
err, strike that, errors thrown all over the place when i run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl |
| 16:35 |
|
No_Reply |
.Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/.../C4/Biblio.pm line 2811. |
| 16:36 |
|
schuster |
If you plan to get records from vendors in the future I would recommend you use 952$o for the item call number. |
| 16:36 |
|
No_Reply |
schuster, sure thing |
| 16:37 |
|
No_Reply |
what might be the best way to move the current records? |
| 16:37 |
|
schuster |
If you can't get to the 952$o you can use MarcEdit to move and copy that information into a 952$o |
| 16:37 |
|
schuster |
If you have already loaded the bib and items - maybe it would be worth to strip those and reload after you "massaged" the data to load? |
| 16:41 |
|
No_Reply |
you've lost me, i'm not sure what i want to strip--this is a live database for a working library |
| 17:00 |
|
schuster |
Oh then that doesn't work - so the call number doesn't show for anything? You are on version 3 right? |
| 17:00 |
|
No_Reply |
on 3.0.1 yes |
| 17:00 |
|
No_Reply |
it shows up under marc |
| 17:00 |
|
No_Reply |
but not under the 'normal' view on the OPAC or Librarian Interface |
| 17:01 |
|
No_Reply |
which i take to mean that the data is good, in some sense of the term but that koha can't find it due to some kind of mapping issue |
| 17:04 |
|
No_Reply |
if it helps, this is a recent upgrade from version 2.25-2.29 to 3.01 |
| 18:57 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 18:57 |
|
pianohacker |
Good morning |
| 18:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 18:59 |
|
cait |
good morning chris |
| 19:01 |
|
rhcl |
Hi Chris |
| 19:09 |
|
chris |
hows the new siding working out for ya Lybrarian ? |
| 19:10 |
|
Sharon |
So far, so good. Only half done, but it looks awesome. I'll have the nicest trailer in the park ;-) |
| 19:12 |
|
chris |
sweet :) |
| 19:14 |
|
Sharon |
Rent a spot, then fight with them about the sewer and tree limbs |
| 19:16 |
|
chris |
ahhh :) |
| 19:17 |
|
chris |
so landlords in the true sense of the word |
| 19:21 |
|
chris |
ok im being told "my puku (stomach in maori) is saying 'hungry'" |
| 19:21 |
|
chris |
which is kahu's way of asking for \ |
| 19:21 |
|
chris |
breakfast |
| 19:21 |
|
chris |
bbiab |
| 19:33 |
|
chris |
right, some apple, some cereal and some peanut butter on toast, he's happy |
| 19:36 |
|
rhcl |
So chris, do you commonly use Maori words/phrases in New Zealand, or within your family? |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
i try to talk to Kahu in maori |
| 19:43 |
|
paul_p |
hello chris. |
| 19:43 |
|
chris |
and my parents do also, and laurel does for the words/phrases she knows .. there is so much english around him he picks all that up easy too |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
he mixes and matches depending on who is talking to him |
| 19:44 |
|
chris |
hi there paul_p :) |
| 19:44 |
|
paul_p |
was the match nice ? were all blacks poor or frenchies really good ? |
| 19:45 |
|
paul_p |
strangely, the newspaper here did not speak of this victory that much. |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
frenchies good |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
all blacks very rusty |
| 19:45 |
|
chris |
intercept pass, caused a try, which lost the match |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
but in the first half, at 35 mins it was 17-3 to france |
| 19:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
is this cricket? |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
was 17-11 at halftime |
| 19:46 |
|
chris |
wizzyrea: rugby |
| 19:46 |
|
paul_p |
wizzyrea: nope. |
| 19:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
AHHH |
| 19:46 |
|
paul_p |
noone plays cricket in france. really. |
| 19:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
you lost us poor kansans for a minute there |
| 19:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
ah, nobody plays either here for the most part ^.^ |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
wizzyrea: rugby in winter, cricket in summer |
| 19:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
all we know is basketball >.> |
| 19:47 |
|
chris |
those are the religions in nz :) |
| 19:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
especially in lawrence |
| 19:47 |
|
cait |
no rugby or cricket in germany |
| 19:47 |
|
paul_p |
40 clubs & 800 players in france. |
| 19:47 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
chris : so british |
| 19:47 |
|
cait |
dont even know which ball it is played with |
| 19:48 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
wizzyrea: there's a novel about a guy trying to set up a cricket stadium in NYC |
| 19:49 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
a dutch guy married to a british girl, trying to play cricket in NYC with guys from Pakistan and India and the West Indy |
| 19:49 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
but granted : cricket seems exotic in the US, I guess |
| 19:50 |
|
chris |
cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G[…]_rugby_union_team |
| 19:50 |
|
paul_p |
very tired & 10PM here in montauban (training the public library that will go live next week) |
| 19:50 |
|
paul_p |
so going to bed. |
| 19:51 |
|
pianohacker |
'night |
| 19:51 |
|
paul_p |
bye everybody & have a good day or evening, or night, depending on where you are ;-) |
| 19:51 |
|
cait |
chris: uh |
| 19:51 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_[…]on_in_new_zealand |
| 19:51 |
|
chris |
cya paul_p sleep well |
| 19:53 |
|
cait |
night paul |
| 19:54 |
|
chris |
cait: so you have a rugby team they just arent very good :-) |
| 19:54 |
|
cait |
and nobody knows they exist g |
| 19:54 |
|
chris |
hehe except the people in it |
| 19:54 |
|
cait |
With the exception of a number of players who play in France, the German team is still largely an amateur side. |
| 19:54 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 19:54 |
|
cait |
says wikipedia |
| 19:55 |
|
cait |
hm :) |
| 19:55 |
|
chris |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U[…]_rugby_union_team |
| 19:55 |
|
paul_p |
10 years ago the italian team was unknown anywhere in Italy. Now they play the 6 nation tournament. They usually score 5 losses for 0 win, but sometimes 1 or even 2 wins. Maybe in a few years, we will have a 7 nations tournament ;-) |
| 19:56 |
|
chris |
they scored a try against australia this weekend, first try in quite a few games :) (italy that is) |
| 19:58 |
|
cait |
g |
| 19:59 |
|
chris |
i remember in 2005, the US rugby team beat England (in rugby 7's) in wellington |
| 19:59 |
|
cait |
ok, going to bed now - I hope I will dream about Koha konfiguration again :) |
| 20:00 |
|
chris |
it was strange hearing 45,000 nzers chanting "USA, USA" |
| 20:00 |
|
pianohacker |
Enemy of my enemy? |
| 20:00 |
|
chris |
yep :) |
| 20:00 |
|
chris |
and everyone loves the underdog |
| 20:01 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
chris: for KohaCon, pls make it Cricket if at all possible |
| 20:01 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
I'd love to have an opportunity to learn the rules |
| 20:01 |
|
chris |
well that would work better, summer is a nicer time to visit anyway :) |
| 20:02 |
|
chris |
http://beigebrigade.co.nz/ |
| 20:03 |
|
paul_p |
nicomo_laptop: except at KohaCon we need techies, so you'll have to learn Perl 1st :D |
| 20:03 |
|
chris |
(russel and I do the website) |
| 20:03 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
that's a cheap shot paul_p |
| 20:03 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
I've a lot of commercial work to do in the South Pacific |
| 20:03 |
|
nicomo_laptop |
:-) |
| 20:04 |
|
chris |
http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/[…]6/Russ_distracted |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/[…]/album02/P1260305 |
| 20:13 |
|
chris |
http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/[…]y/album02/everest |
| 20:13 |
|
chris |
is my fave one still :) |
| 20:53 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:56 |
|
pianohacker |
hello |
| 20:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
heya richard |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
have ppl met richard before, richard is a katipod :) |
| 20:59 |
|
chris |
and the 28th committer to Koha |
| 20:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
ooh, no |
| 20:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
nice! |
| 20:59 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi richard |
| 21:00 |
|
richard |
sorry, was on a coffee run |
| 21:13 |
|
joetho |
<--working on perl |
| 21:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
joetho: ORLY? |
| 21:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Which perl? |
| 21:20 |
|
joetho |
hi jessie |
| 21:20 |
|
joetho |
well so far it hasn't told me. |
| 21:20 |
|
joetho |
just a book |
| 21:21 |
|
joetho |
But it is the one people make computers do stuff with. |
| 21:21 |
|
joetho |
I have downloaded some stuff to install on my laptop but haven't done anything with it yet. Too busy. |
| 21:35 |
|
ryan |
lol |
| 21:36 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah well, I can wait |
| 21:56 |
|
pianohacker |
schuster: Do you think it would work to add spine labels to a batch that could be printed out at a later date? |
| 22:01 |
|
schuster |
I'm not overly interested in that as it can be done currently - we don't batch print usually we are doing on at a time and each person then can add them as needed. |
| 22:01 |
|
pianohacker |
Ahh, okay |
| 22:11 |
|
chris |
back |
| 22:25 |
|
schuster |
front |
| 22:25 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:25 |
|
schuster |
sorry couldn't resist working 10 hour days to have 3 day weekends - makes us giddy at the end of the day. |
| 22:25 |
|
chris |
did you see my "spaceball" photo schuster ? |
| 22:26 |
|
schuster |
I've been gone for several days so I missed it! |
| 22:26 |
|
chris |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]wen-joe-and-jane/ |
| 22:27 |
|
schuster |
HA! Kinda like my 4 year old that keeps saying he needs a chin guard to play Soccer(shin...) |
| 22:27 |
|
schuster |
He probably wants the hood because you probably had one on out in the cold/rain! |
| 22:28 |
|
chris |
could well be :) |
| 22:29 |
|
schuster |
Well that's it for me my brain is fried! time to head out! |
| 22:31 |
|
pianohacker |
Apparently I'm not a father; first thing I noticed about that photo was the wide-screen TV |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
yeah, its actually a montior |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
ie it came without a tuner |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
which is why we got it absurdly cheap, because no one could figure it out |
| 22:34 |
|
pianohacker |
Does it have composite/component/etc. inputs, or just VGA/DVI? Nice deal |
| 22:34 |
|
chris |
SCART |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
4 SCART and one VGA |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
so just got some composite to scart converters |
| 22:35 |
|
chris |
and plugged the cable box into that, and the dvd into another and done |
| 22:36 |
|
chris |
on, no speakers either, but thats easy fix too ... sound all goes into a stereo |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
we went into the shop with the plan to get a 32inch .. but there was this 50inch for less!!!! |
| 22:37 |
|
chris |
(plasma) |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
ohhh kick ass |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
ryan++ |
| 22:39 |
|
chris |
debra_denault++ |
| 23:00 |
|
jwagner |
chris, just saw your link & the picture. Baseball wins another convert! |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 23:07 |
|
jwagner |
Good night all... |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
night jwagner |
| 23:29 |
|
brendan |
@wunder santa barbara, CA |
| 23:30 |
|
munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0°C (4:29 PM PDT on June 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:30 |
|
brendan |
when will these clouds go away -- this is supposed to be sunny cali -- but nothing but clouds for like three weeks |
| 23:30 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 23:30 |
|
brendan |
chris here's to spaceball |
| 23:31 |
|
brendan |
sounds like an exciting new development for the game |
| 23:33 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 23:52 |
|
brendan |
ok heading home -- be back in a bit |
| 23:52 |
|
pianohacker |
'night, all |
| 00:27 |
|
Jo |
morning all |
| 00:27 |
|
Jo |
Chris : are you about per chance |
| 00:29 |
|
brendan |
heya jo |
| 00:29 |
|
Jo |
hey Bren dan |
| 00:29 |
|
Jo |
lo sorry - Brendan |
| 00:29 |
|
brendan |
chris has been in and out |
| 00:29 |
|
Jo |
hey our new style / theme you saw for the OPAC will be applied to opur intranet too, and also our internal Kete |
| 00:29 |
|
Jo |
I figured .. |
| 00:30 |
|
Jo |
I might email him - it was just an off chance |
| 00:30 |
|
brendan |
oh cool |
| 00:31 |
|
brendan |
when that's up -- would love to sneak peek! |
| 00:31 |
|
Jo |
might be able to arrange something :) |
| 00:31 |
|
brendan |
cool -- back to doing the dishes ;) |
| 00:32 |
|
Jo |
and i shall continue the final edit of our code4lib paper - being published on the 22nd |
| 00:37 |
|
chris |
sup jo? |
| 00:37 |
|
Jo |
hey chris |
| 03:11 |
|
brendan |
the permissions in init.d for koha-zebra-daemon should be the zebrauser correct and not root ? |
| 03:12 |
|
chris |
root is fine, it will run as the user specified in that script |
| 03:14 |
|
brendan |
right -- I just scrambled to my other server and saw that it has root for permissions -- guess I should research first (follow my librarian back-ground) instead |
| 03:14 |
|
chris |
all the scripts in init.d are owned by root (on my machines anyway) |
| 03:15 |
|
brendan |
mine too... basically everything except the users home folders are root ... on mine |
| 03:22 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan,chris, mason |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit |
good morning #koha |
| 03:23 |
|
chris |
hi Amit |
| 03:23 |
|
brendan |
heya Amit |
| 03:23 |
|
brendan |
@wunder bangalore india |
| 03:23 |
|
munin |
brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 03:23 |
|
brendan |
@wunder delhi, india |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit |
chris: So NZ T20 match today |
| 03:23 |
|
munin |
brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit |
hi munin |
| 03:23 |
|
brendan |
@wunder new delhi, india |
| 03:23 |
|
munin |
brendan: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:24 |
|
brendan |
not too hot yet Amit |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
munin this is a morning temp |
| 03:24 |
|
munin |
Amit: I suck |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
but in day delhi is very hot |
| 03:24 |
|
brendan |
hehe |
| 03:25 |
|
brendan |
amit -- anything new ? |
| 03:25 |
|
Amit |
no |
| 03:25 |
|
Amit |
i m planning for MLIS course |
| 03:25 |
|
brendan |
cool |
| 03:25 |
|
brendan |
which university? |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
Indian Institute of Science |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
planning only |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
hope |
| 03:26 |
|
brendan |
well good luck |
| 03:27 |
|
brendan |
wish you the best |
| 03:27 |
|
Amit |
thanks |
| 03:27 |
|
Amit |
brendan: any new from your side |
| 03:27 |
|
brendan |
not really |
| 03:28 |
|
brendan |
my baseball team -- that I root for -- sucks |
| 03:29 |
|
brendan |
but that is part of being a fan of that team |
| 03:29 |
|
Amit |
my indian team out of T20 world cup |
| 03:29 |
|
brendan |
bummer |
| 03:29 |
|
brendan |
do you watch any of it ? |
| 03:29 |
|
chris |
nz will probably go out today |
| 03:29 |
|
Amit |
hmm |
| 03:29 |
|
brendan |
well let's root for NZ today |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
Srilanka is strong as compare to NZ |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
chris: i m right |
| 03:30 |
|
brendan |
hehe |
| 03:30 |
|
brendan |
amit kohacon in india 2011 ? |
| 03:30 |
|
Amit |
sure |
| 03:30 |
|
brendan |
we should plan it |
| 03:31 |
|
chris |
brendan: the hard thing is, even if we beat them, we have to beat them by a big big margin |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
this is good |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit |
chris: Runrate is important |
| 03:31 |
|
brendan |
why a big margin -- isn't a win a win ? |
| 03:31 |
|
chris |
like amit said, run rate is important |
| 03:32 |
|
brendan |
kind of understand - but not really |
| 03:32 |
|
Amit |
Chris: I think South Africa Win T20 world cup this time |
| 03:32 |
|
chris |
there are 8 teams going for 4 spots in the semi finals started off with 16 |
| 03:32 |
|
brendan |
so you get ahead by your stats |
| 03:32 |
|
chris |
plus wins |
| 03:32 |
|
chris |
so if we have 2 wins and someone else has 2 wins |
| 03:32 |
|
chris |
we go ahead with superior run rate |
| 03:32 |
|
brendan |
they should have a playoff |
| 03:33 |
|
richard |
i doubt the tournament would ever finish if they had playoffs :) |
| 03:33 |
|
chris |
yeah :) |
| 03:33 |
|
brendan |
:) |
| 03:33 |
|
brendan |
introduce sudden death |
| 03:34 |
|
Amit |
hi richard |
| 03:34 |
|
richard |
hi amit |
| 03:34 |
|
brendan |
or golden century or something |
| 03:34 |
|
Amit |
richard: r u interested in cricket matches |
| 03:35 |
|
richard |
yep |
| 03:36 |
|
richard |
enjoying a refreshing breeze coming off antarctica |
| 03:38 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 03:38 |
|
brendan |
NZ have any chance in the fifa tournament? |
| 03:38 |
|
chris |
Feels like -3C - 7 layers of clothing are recommended to remain comfortable in these conditions |
| 03:38 |
|
chris |
brr |
| 03:38 |
|
chris |
brendan: nope |
| 03:39 |
|
richard |
if sri lanka miss they bus, nz will make the final :) |
| 03:39 |
|
richard |
they = their |
| 03:39 |
|
Amit |
he he richard |
| 03:40 |
|
brendan |
flat tires in the forecast |
| 03:40 |
|
richard |
@wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 03:40 |
|
munin |
richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
| 03:40 |
|
brendan |
@wunder sri lanka bus |
| 03:40 |
|
munin |
brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 03:41 |
|
brendan |
hey that's good news -- they couldn't find the bus |
| 03:41 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 03:41 |
|
richard |
:0 |
| 03:41 |
|
brendan |
is the match being payed now ? |
| 03:42 |
|
brendan |
I'd like to follow along |
| 03:42 |
|
chris |
not for a while yet |
| 03:42 |
|
Amit |
hi JO |
| 03:43 |
|
chris |
12.30 gmt brendan |
| 03:43 |
|
chris |
http://www.cricinfo.com/wt2020[…]match/356013.html |
| 03:43 |
|
Amit |
chris: WI in semi |
| 03:43 |
|
brendan |
@gcalc 12:30 gmt in pst |
| 03:43 |
|
munin |
brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 03:45 |
|
brendan |
4:30 am here |
| 03:45 |
|
brendan |
thinking I won't check the first few innings |
| 03:49 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 04:32 |
|
chris |
ok off to pick up kahu |
| 04:33 |
|
richard |
cya |
| 05:01 |
|
Jo |
hi AMit |
| 05:02 |
|
Amit |
heya Jo |
| 05:02 |
|
Jo |
havn't seen you online for a while, |
| 05:03 |
|
Jo |
and hadn't realised you support Kete as well as Koha. |
| 05:03 |
|
Jo |
:) |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
we have installed kete |
| 05:03 |
|
Amit |
R &D is going on |
| 05:03 |
|
Jo |
cool.... thats been my project |
| 05:04 |
|
Jo |
great to have more brains working on it |
| 05:04 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 05:06 |
|
Jo |
right, off home. cya |
| 05:34 |
|
brendan |
goodnight #koha |
| 05:46 |
|
Amit |
hi paul_p |
| 06:01 |
|
richard |
@wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 06:01 |
|
munin |
richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:01 |
|
chris |
lies |
| 06:01 |
|
chris |
its freezing out there :) |
| 06:01 |
|
richard |
sure is :( |
| 06:08 |
|
Amit |
tandoori means chris |
| 06:08 |
|
chris |
Amit: it is the name of an indian restaurant (and takeaways) |
| 06:09 |
|
Amit |
hmm tandoori roti |
| 06:16 |
|
Elwell |
chris: I assume there's a kilbirnie in .nz, as the kilbirnie in scotland is um, err, to use the politically correct term, pile o sh*te |
| 06:17 |
|
richard |
kilbirnie is a wellington suburb - close to the airport |
| 06:24 |
|
Elwell |
ah K |
| 06:25 |
|
richard |
the kilbirnie website doesn't inspire much confidence - http://www.kilbirnie.uk.net/ |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 06:26 |
|
Elwell |
richard: yup. that about sums the place up |
| 06:58 |
|
hdl_laptop1 |
hi kf |
| 07:00 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
| 07:00 |
|
hdl_laptop1 |
hi Amit |
| 07:04 |
|
kf |
hi hdl and Amit |
| 07:04 |
|
Amit |
hi kf |
| 07:17 |
|
chris |
hi europe :) |
| 07:22 |
|
kf |
hi chris |
| 07:25 |
|
Kivutar |
hi :) |
| 07:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
Hello everybody |
| 07:43 |
|
chris |
hi |Lupin| |
| 07:45 |
|
|Lupin| |
good evening chris |
| 07:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
what's the time difference between France and New Zealand ? |
| 07:47 |
|
chris |
pretty much 12 hours |
| 07:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
okay |
| 07:48 |
|
chris |
(its not really, but its close enough, its usually the opposite time) |
| 07:48 |
|
chris |
its 7.50pm on tuesday |
| 07:49 |
|
chris |
and must be about 9.50am for you? |
| 07:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
yes |
| 07:49 |
|
chris |
at the moment nz is UTC + 12 .. in summer its UTC + 13 |
| 07:49 |
|
chris |
davi: the king and queen of spain are visiting wellington this month :) |
| 07:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
and we are UTC+2 now, I think |
| 07:51 |
|
chris |
sounds about right |
| 07:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
yesterday i explored koha's client staff web interface... I think it is not usable with lynx, there are too many things that require javascript. I think it wold be hard to provide non-javascript alternatives, so I am wondering ho things cold be improved. I'm wondering, e.g., how difficult it would be to provide a command-line interface for some functionalities... |
| 07:54 |
|
chris |
probably harder than fixing it to work without javascript :) |
| 07:55 |
|
chris |
im from the old school, i think things should work without javascript, and javascript used to make things work better, but not nessecary |
| 07:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: really ? I thought it would be hard to implement functionalities without javascript, for instance because some data tests seem to be done in the javascript part and not in the perl scripts. |
| 07:55 |
|
chris |
yeah, that should be fixed |
| 07:55 |
|
chris |
it should be done in both |
| 07:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: I agree |
| 07:56 |
|
chris |
you shouldnt depend on the client for data validation |
| 07:56 |
|
chris |
because the client may be malicious |
| 07:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: if one could achieve a web-based solution which would work even with lynx, that would be great I think |
| 07:56 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: I wish I had more time to contribute. |
| 07:56 |
|
chris |
(by client i mean webbrowser, not the person using it) |
| 07:57 |
|
davi |
chris, Good to know. I am overloaded since some month ago |
| 07:57 |
|
davi |
later |
| 07:57 |
|
chris |
by just asking for it, and documenting the places where it needs fixing is helping |Lupin| |
| 07:57 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: yes, that's also my point of view. But here e are talking about clients that are authenticated, so maybe that's why the developers were not too picky about server-side data validation |
| 07:58 |
|
chris |
ahh yes, but they might be the subject of a XSS attack |
| 07:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: well even something like adding a bibliographic record can't be done with lynx at the moment |
| 07:59 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 07:59 |
|
chris |
in terms of that, you can use bulkmarcimport.pl |
| 08:00 |
|
chris |
to laod a marc record that you have created elsewhere |
| 08:00 |
|
chris |
but it would be nice that if you didnt have js enabled, you just got one huge form to fill in |
| 08:01 |
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chris |
and if you had repeatable fields it would have to be a few steps |
| 08:02 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yes, something like that |
| 08:02 |
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chris |
i don't think it is something that will get done in the near future, ever since marc support was added that has needed javascript (original koha without marc had no compulsory js) |
| 08:03 |
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chris |
but its worth keeping asking for it :) |
| 08:04 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: concernintg bulkmarcimport, that's indeed what I'm currently sing, but I guess it must be used with some attention, first because I don't know how much data checks it performs on the validity of the MARC records, second because one probably has to double-check e.g. hich charset koha wants in the records and things like that |
| 08:04 |
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chris |
yep, it will only accept valid marc records |
| 08:04 |
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chris |
and utf8 encoded is the best bet |
| 08:06 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I think koha can also query Z3950 servers for marc records, and that is not accessible either. Perhaps this part would be easier to make accessible, because there is no marc iditing involved... ? |
| 08:06 |
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chris |
yep that would be easier to do |
| 08:06 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: okay, thanks a lot for this clarification |
| 08:06 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
|Lupin|: you could add some enhancement for use without js in bugzilla |
| 08:07 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: okay |
| 08:07 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
and explain why. |
| 08:08 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
The problem is that user likes to be able to add fields and subfields on the fly without querying the server (and this is done via js DOM manipulation.) |
| 08:08 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: it'd not only be easier, I think, but also, in a way, more precious. Because I think when I want to play at MARC level, I don't mind doing so in Perl. Whereas when I want to do a high level thing like adding a bibliographic record form our national library, then this lends itself more to be done in the web interface. |
| 08:09 |
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|Lupin| |
Not sure whether I'm clear or not... |
| 08:09 |
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chris |
yep |
| 08:09 |
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chris |
that makes sense |Lupin| |
| 08:11 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: they don't want to query the server because this would make things slower, you mean ? |
| 08:11 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
yes. |
| 08:12 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
+ would require loading all the data back and forth. |
| 08:14 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: I think I can imagine several ways to make this possible even without javascript. For instance one could have a big form with all the marc fields and define a character that could be used as a separator for the repetable fields. I'm not saying this wold be convenient or comfortable. I'd just be there for those user who can't use the beautiful javascript thing and it would be etter than nothing, IMO |
| 08:16 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
|Lupin|: this (using | as duplicate subfields) was done for 2.2. But you have subfields and fields duplication. |
| 08:16 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
so you would require 2 special characters |
| 08:16 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
+ | is used in MARC21 as empty character for fixed data. |
| 08:17 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
So it has been a problem for american ppl. |
| 08:17 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: or perhaps the editor could allow dupplication only of subfields, and have buttons to add other fields with the same tag ? |
| 08:18 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
(this was the way it was done in 2.2, before ppl urgely requested for javascript) |
| 08:20 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: but the two are not incompatible... the old way could be kept as a fallback |
| 08:24 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
|Lupin|: this would require maintaining two different ways to manage cataloguing. |
| 08:26 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: I understand. I thought it did not represent a lot of code, but I may very well be wrong on that. |
| 08:29 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
it is not (only) the number of lines of code. It is also the question of maintaining the code. |
| 08:30 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: and as I said, not being able to enter MARC records is not what I miss most. |
| 08:30 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
But please file an enhancement request. |
| 08:30 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: I'm more missing the ability to query Z39.50 servers directly from within Koha |
| 08:30 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
And try to make a kind of priority. |
| 08:30 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: okay |
| 08:31 |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop1: I think I may file one just for the Z39.50 thing at the moment.. what do you think ? |
| 08:32 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
file things you really want. |
| 08:32 |
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hdl_laptop1 |
or need |
| 08:32 |
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|Lupin| |
okay |
| 08:34 |
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|Lupin| |
I'll first play with the interface under Windows so that I can use js, and then when I have a better idea about how things work I'll file the enhancement request |
| 08:54 |
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No_Reply |
hi all |
| 08:58 |
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|Lupin| |
hi No_Reply |
| 09:04 |
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No_Reply |
hey |Lupin|: did someone get a chance to tell you about Greenstone? |
| 09:04 |
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Amit |
hi No_Reply |
| 09:07 |
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No_Reply |
hi Amit: I'm having some trouble with koha-MARC mapping that people didn't have much help for yesterday, maybe you can help me out? |
| 09:07 |
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Amit |
yes |
| 09:07 |
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Amit |
tell |
| 09:07 |
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Amit |
No_Reply |
| 09:08 |
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No_Reply |
i have a system I've moved up from 2.2.5 through 2.2.9 and is currently running 3.0.1 |
| 09:08 |
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No_Reply |
the problem is that in 'Normal' view for any given record, the call number is missing |
| 09:09 |
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Amit |
hmmm |
| 09:09 |
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No_Reply |
our call numbers are in marc 942k |
| 09:09 |
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|Lupin| |
No_Reply: yes, heard about it. Can't remember why we decided not o use it actually. Prhaps it is missng MARC support ? |
| 09:10 |
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No_Reply |
someone yesterday suggested that we move them to 952$o or some such |
| 09:10 |
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No_Reply |
i'd rather avoid doing that on a live database, though |
| 09:10 |
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Amit |
but in 3.0.1 call number 952$o |
| 09:10 |
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No_Reply |
but koha doesn't like remapping to 942 |
| 09:11 |
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Amit |
No_Reply u should map your call no to 952$o |
| 09:11 |
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No_Reply |
ok, what's the best way to change the MARC records? |
| 09:12 |
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Amit |
go to ur koha-->Administration-->Koha to MARC mapping |
| 09:13 |
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chris |
Amit: he has a whole lot of old records that he needs to change, so just changing the mapping wont change them |
| 09:13 |
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No_Reply |
yes, that's the problem exactly |
| 09:13 |
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No_Reply |
i've got 8 or 9 thousand records that need to be moved over |
| 09:14 |
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Amit |
k |
| 09:14 |
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Amit |
ok chris |
| 09:14 |
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chris |
and you have circulation records for them right No_Reply ? |
| 09:14 |
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No_Reply |
right, library has been live for years |
| 09:14 |
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chris |
which means we cant just export them, change them, and reload them, because they will get new itemnumbers |
| 09:15 |
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chris |
and no longer match their circ data |
| 09:15 |
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chris |
you would need to script something to change, essentially you want to edit every item |
| 09:16 |
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Amit |
yes ur right chris |
| 09:16 |
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No_Reply |
chris: i thought about writing a script to move swap everything, but i wasn't confident enough in my knowledge of Koha's database to assume I knew all the db entries to change |
| 09:16 |
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Amit |
i have already migrated koha-2.2.9 data to koha 3 for delhi public library |
| 09:16 |
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Amit |
but in dpl case circulation is not stated in koha-2.2.9 so migration is easy |
| 09:16 |
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chris |
the problem is this is post migration Amit |
| 09:16 |
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Amit |
k |
| 09:17 |
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chris |
No_Reply: it would be best to use the subroutines for editing marc records in koha, then the right fields will be filled out |
| 09:18 |
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No_Reply |
chris: this is new to me, tell me more |
| 09:19 |
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chris |
so get all the items that need to be changed, loop through them and call ModItemFromMarc |
| 09:19 |
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chris |
for each one |
| 09:23 |
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chris |
No_Reply: do perldoc C4/Items.pm |
| 09:23 |
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No_Reply |
sure, taking a look |
| 09:24 |
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chris |
actually you could just use ModItem |
| 09:24 |
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No_Reply |
I'll look at both |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
so get a list of itemnumbers, get the itemdata for each of them (GetItem) and then change itemcallnumber to be the value you get from 942k and then ModItem it |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
something like that anyway |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
of course i would take a copy of the db |
| 09:25 |
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No_Reply |
that sounds about right |
| 09:25 |
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No_Reply |
i have good backups |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
and do this on another koha |
| 09:25 |
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No_Reply |
and a live backup server to test on |
| 09:25 |
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chris |
cool that'll work |
| 09:28 |
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Elwell |
Q - has anyone here done stuff like MySQL replication onto backup server (for devel purposes)? |
| 09:28 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:28 |
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|Lupin| |
When migrating a home-made poor man's catalog to koha, where should the old record numbers be stored ? Is this what is called call numbers, what you guys are talking about ? |
| 09:28 |
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chris |
HLT has been doing that since 2000 Elwell |
| 09:28 |
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Elwell |
any gotchas or just works? |
| 09:29 |
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chris |
they run all their reports against the backup server |
| 09:29 |
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chris |
that way doesnt slow done the live one |
| 09:29 |
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chris |
just works |
| 09:30 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: call numbers are things like Dewey, or LCCN |
| 09:30 |
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chris |
basically shelving location |
| 09:30 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I see. So it's not the same thing... |
| 09:31 |
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chris |
nope |
| 09:31 |
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|Lupin| |
So is there a place where these old record numbers could be stored ? |
| 09:31 |
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chris |
somewhere in the 900's |
| 09:31 |
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chris |
999 something :) |
| 09:31 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok :) |
| 09:32 |
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chris |
in MARC21 anyway |
| 09:32 |
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chris |
900's are local use |
| 09:32 |
|
kf |
are 900's overwritten by import? |
| 09:32 |
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|Lupin| |
we'll also have to store whether a record refers to a book in the private or public domain... any idea where this could go ? |
| 09:32 |
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chris |
kf: everythign is overwritten by import |
| 09:33 |
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chris |
if you have -d |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
ok |
| 09:33 |
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chris |
somewhere in the local use fields too |Lupin| |
| 09:34 |
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kf |
something like update record but keep local use fields would be nice |
| 09:35 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:35 |
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chris |
the way i have done that |
| 09:35 |
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chris |
is export the records, and combine it with the new one, keeping the 900's, then import it back in |
| 09:35 |
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chris |
but a nice merge utility in koha would be excellent |
| 09:36 |
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kf |
but you need an extra script to do it - and updating with z.39.50 will still delete the 900's |
| 09:36 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:36 |
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kf |
we will have regular data import with updated titles from union catalog |
| 09:36 |
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chris |
what i was doing was fetch the record from z3950 |
| 09:37 |
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chris |
at the commandline, and run my script to merge it |
| 09:37 |
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kf |
if a title is updated in union catalog, it will get in data import |
| 09:37 |
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kf |
and overwrite everything |
| 09:37 |
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chris |
yep, thats why i was doing it with my script |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
ok, will keep this in mind for our next meeting |
| 09:38 |
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chris |
keeping all the local use data |
| 09:38 |
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kf |
in our case it will be nightly import |
| 09:38 |
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chris |
(barcodes etc) |
| 09:38 |
|
kf |
as title cataloging is done in union catalog |
| 09:38 |
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chris |
but id still like to be able to do it in koha |
| 09:39 |
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kf |
items will be managed only in Koha |
| 09:39 |
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kf |
problem is the library specific information, that will be in holdings records |
| 09:39 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:40 |
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kf |
and should go to title fields |
| 09:40 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: okay, thanks |
| 10:11 |
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No_Reply |
chris: still around? |
| 10:12 |
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chris |
yep |
| 10:13 |
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No_Reply |
looking at ModItem and not really sure what kind of input it wants for {column => $newvalue } |
| 10:13 |
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No_Reply |
maybe you can give me an example |
| 10:13 |
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No_Reply |
or just the name of a script that already uses it |
| 10:14 |
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chris |
thats a hashref |
| 10:15 |
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chris |
so |
| 10:15 |
|
chris |
my %item; |
| 10:15 |
|
chris |
$item{'itemcallnumber'} = '1234b'; |
| 10:15 |
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No_Reply |
right |
| 10:15 |
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No_Reply |
ok |
| 10:15 |
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chris |
then pass it as \%item; |
| 10:17 |
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chris |
i like perl6 more, but i like 5.10 just fine |
| 10:18 |
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No_Reply |
i've been spoiled by ruby, i'm afraid |
| 10:19 |
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chris |
i dont hate ruby, i dont love it either though |
| 10:19 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok :) I tried to deepen my understanding of the language several times but I was never successfull. I can't develop a good intuition about how things work, never know e.g. if it's $ or % etc. |
| 10:19 |
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chris |
it works, perl works :) |
| 10:19 |
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chris |
yeah 6 is a lot clearer |Lupin| |
| 10:19 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: never tried Ruby |
| 10:20 |
|
chris |
the thing that perl has that makes me love it is CPAN |
| 10:20 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: but will 6 one day become widespread ? |
| 10:20 |
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No_Reply |
CPAN is wonderful |
| 10:20 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: im sure it will |
| 10:20 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I understand that CPAN is likeable |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
im just glad Koha isnt java :) |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
course id only have myself to blame if it was hehe |
| 10:24 |
|
chris |
|Lupin|: nahuel is a big python fan |
| 10:24 |
|
chris |
we have all sorts in the community |
| 10:24 |
|
nahuel |
chris, java is cool :) |
| 10:25 |
|
nahuel |
(hi) |
| 10:26 |
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|Lupin| |
hi nahuel :) |
| 10:26 |
|
nahuel |
héhé |
| 10:27 |
|
chris |
if it was java, we'd still be writing the spec |
| 10:27 |
|
chris |
9 years after we started :-) |
| 10:27 |
|
nahuel |
ahah, now, with perl, we are bugfixing every day |
| 10:28 |
|
nahuel |
:) |
| 10:28 |
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chris |
that's not perls fault :) |
| 10:28 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:29 |
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|Lupin| |
ok guys, lunch time here, 'd night chris in case you go sleeping before I'm back |
| 10:29 |
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chris |
yep ill be going to bed soon |
| 11:34 |
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Amit |
hi jwagner |
| 11:57 |
|
jatillaso |
hi |
| 11:57 |
|
Amit |
hi jrs |
| 11:59 |
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No_Reply |
hi Amit |
| 11:59 |
|
Amit |
hi No_Reply |
