Time Nick Message 12:00 No_Reply i'm moving my 942k records from last night to 952o 12:01 Amit k 12:01 No_Reply errr...thought you were someone else, actually 13:25 Hery_R Hi folks 13:25 gmcharlt hi 13:28 Hery_R I'm finalizing an evaluation of Koha as a part of Opensource ILS, and there's some point I can't evaluate by myself, perhaps somebody here could help me 13:28 gmcharlt ask away 13:29 Hery_R How far stemming and lemmatisation are implemented in koha? 13:29 gmcharlt stemming is supportred, and will soon be improved 13:30 gmcharlt stemming support is for most major European languages 13:32 gmcharlt lemmatization is not currently supported 13:34 Hery_R ok, thanks :) 14:21 slef Does Jean-André Santoni come on here at all? 14:21 slef hi all by the way 14:24 slef I was hoping to discuss bug 3144 because I really don't want to have Koha discriminate against people like me. 14:24 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5, ---, jeanandre.santoni@biblibre.com, NEW, anti-spam for opac-suggestions 14:26 wizzyrea slef: pleading ignorance, what would you be discriminated against for? 14:27 No_Reply looks like some have pointed out that reCAPTCHA isn't accessible to people with visual and hearing impairments 14:27 wizzyrea slef: never mind, rtfb 14:28 wizzyrea so I see 14:28 wizzyrea I can see this 14:28 No_Reply count yourself one of the lucky ones :P 14:29 slef wizzyrea: I have poor eyesight and damaged hearing 14:30 No_Reply slef: do you have an alternate solution 14:31 slef yes. Install anti-spam methods, such as blogspam.net 14:31 No_Reply it looks like the current problem is that the entire feature must be disabled 14:38 hdl_laptop slef: Jean André is Kivutar 14:38 hdl_laptop and he is there 14:38 Kivutar here I am :) 14:39 Kivutar slef: I sent a mail to Nicolas Morin this morning, about this bug 14:44 No_Reply Kivutar: so what's the current status? are we looking into more accessible alternatives to reCAPTCHA? 14:48 Kivutar No_Reply: yes, I would prefer to use a non discriminative way to solve this problem 14:50 Kivutar but I am waiting for Nicolas Morin to reply to my mail first, he's my employer and I cannot do without his advice 15:00 |Lupin| Kivutar: +1 15:01 slef bah, employment ;-) 15:01 Kivutar :) 15:26 slef anyone got comments on bug 3332 I should take into consideration? 15:26 |Lupin| till soon 15:26 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjr@ttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons 15:26 |Lupin| bye 15:27 slef that's odd. I thought the thing after P5 was the sponsorship status 15:33 gmcharlt slef: it is, but for some reason is not consistently pulled up by munin 15:33 gmcharlt @bug 3332 15:34 munin gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjr@ttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons 15:50 kf is it possible to prevent holds, when one item in patron library is still on shelf and available? 15:52 pianohacker kf: Not sure what you're asking. Are you wondering if you can prevent holds on checked in items? 15:52 kf I found out, that I can forbit holds on available items with AllowOnShelfHolds OFF, but then i cant reserve the item from another branch 15:52 kf yes 15:52 pianohacker So you want to be able to reserve checked-in items from other branches, but not this branch? I don't think that's currently possible 15:53 kf holdability depending on item status or something like that 15:53 kf yes, thats what I wanted 15:53 kf its about closed stack access 15:53 kf I try to find out, how to manage this with Koha 15:53 gmcharlt kf: it's there in part (see the bottom of the circ rules page in 3.2), but doesn't handle differntiating local on-shelf holds vs. remote ones 15:54 kf but its holdabilty per item type 15:54 kf so its gerneally not holdable, as far as I undertand it 15:54 kf what I m looking for is somethong with holdability and item status (on loan, not for loan, available) 15:54 gmcharlt kf: well, it's holdabilty divided into three options per branch/itemtype 15:54 gmcharlt * allow from any librayr 15:55 gmcharlt * only from home library 15:55 gmcharlt * not allowed at all 15:55 kf but it seems, that as long as AllowOnShelfHolds is OFF you cant reserve, even iif its allow from any library 15:56 kf because its on shelf in the other library 15:56 gmcharlt right, the on-shelf setting is currently global 15:57 kf our libraries normally expect holds to work: if there is an item in currend library available for checkout - tell patron to go to shelf 15:58 kf it there is no item available in current library - tell user he can reserve 15:58 kf I think this cant be done with Koha - but I was not sure, if I missed something 15:59 gmcharlt kf: no, I think some coding would be needed 15:59 gmcharlt kf: I suggest adding that to bugs.koha.org 16:00 kf I think something like AllowOnShelfHolds by library would be a good start 16:01 gmcharlt kf: that would be useful, yes, but not sufficient to meet your workflow 16:02 kf no, still thinking about it 16:02 kf holds are giving me headaches 16:04 gmcharlt kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) 16:04 kf yes 16:04 kf and our project library is not a simple one 16:05 atz yeah, it would be nice if we could arbitrarily cap the complexity of holds logic... 16:06 kf how do your libraries work? 16:06 kf can users just reserve everything, even if its on shelf and librarians are supposed to get it for them? 16:07 atz kf: mostly, yes. 16:07 kf very conient 16:07 kf convenient 16:08 gmcharlt yeah, under that model the complexity is not with who gets to place requests 16:08 gmcharlt but routing items to fill the requests 16:09 kf I think we expect it to make as little work as possible 16:09 kf by telling the patron: look on shelf, there is still an item you can get 16:13 wizzyrea @quote add gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) 16:13 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #6 added. 16:13 wizzyrea @quote random 16:13 munin wizzyrea: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) 16:14 kf ok, MARC and holds management are evil g 16:23 No_Reply i have a bit of an odd problem 16:23 kf ok, I will write a summary, about what I think can be done now and discuss with my colleagues, what is missing, thx gmcharlt 16:24 slef No_Reply: you're named after a bad newsletter From line? ;-) 16:25 No_Reply i've just updated all of our records, moving call numbers from 942k to 952o 16:26 No_Reply for koha 3.0.1 16:27 No_Reply but records created under 3.0.1 and a handful of older ones (maybe 50 total, including the 10 or so new records) still have NULL under itemcallnumber 16:28 No_Reply select biblionumber, bibid from marc_biblio where biblionumber = 8905; Empty set (0.00 sec) 16:28 No_Reply this is the case for those 50+ records, but not for the rest 16:28 No_Reply am I missing something? 16:29 gmcharlt No_Reply: marc_biblio is a holdover from your upgrade from 2.2 16:29 No_Reply i see 16:29 gmcharlt so it's possible that those records may not have been quite right to begin with 16:29 No_Reply what replaced it? 16:29 gmcharlt biblio and biblioitems 16:30 gmcharlt basically, the MARC tags from marc_biblio got converted to MARC and MARCXML blobs 16:30 gmcharlt in biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml 16:31 No_Reply right 16:33 No_Reply so is there a script i can use to find the value in a particular marc field under the new system 16:34 gmcharlt No_Reply: not as such - it takes a bit more doing 16:34 gmcharlt either by doing a search 16:34 gmcharlt or checking for tags that are mapped to specific columns in biblio, bibliotems, or items per the MARC framework 16:34 No_Reply hmmm 16:35 No_Reply well, the problem is that the items I want are mapped incorrectly 16:36 No_Reply the result is, as noted, NULL values in items.itemcallnumber 16:37 No_Reply so i need to grab the data in 942k from the MARC blob, somehow 16:40 gmcharlt No_Reply: do you know any Perl? 16:41 No_Reply yes, i'm using a perl script to do the leg work already 16:42 gmcharlt No_Reply: ok, then you can write a script that uses C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio() to get a MARC::Record object for each affected bib 16:42 No_Reply ok, that helps a lot 16:42 gmcharlt then use MARC::Record and MARC::Field routines to grab the 952$o (or 942$k) for each item 16:44 gmcharlt then use C4::Items::ModItem({ itemcallnumber => $foo }, $biblionumber, $itemnumber) to make the change 16:45 No_Reply already doing moditem 16:45 No_Reply was just using the database to grab the 942k data 16:45 gmcharlt ok 16:46 No_Reply if i can use GetMarcBibilio and MARC::Record to do what i was doing with SQL, then it should work 16:46 gmcharlt nahuel: about? 16:51 hdl_laptop nahuel: went 16:51 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 16:51 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 16:51 gmcharlt question regarding bug 2893 16:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2893 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Allow the staff to force loaning of not for loan documents 16:52 gmcharlt I'm assuming that the AllowNotForLoanOverride syspref should work 16:52 gmcharlt regardless of whether the item is normally not for loan because of its item type 16:52 gmcharlt or because of the item's individual not-for-loan flag 16:55 hdl_laptop It makes sense. 16:56 No_Reply gmcharlt: that seems to have worked 16:56 No_Reply thanks 16:56 No_Reply dinner time now 17:01 hdl_laptop but gmcharlt I suppose that if nahuel did so it was because it was asked as such. 17:01 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: well, that's the question 17:02 gmcharlt may have been asked that way, or nahuel may have just implemented the one case or not the other 17:04 kf speaking about not for loan: if itemtype is not for loan items get displayed as available in OPAC 17:07 gmcharlt kf: that be a bug - please enter it in bugs.koha.org if it's not there already 17:07 hdl_laptop I think it was asked for only one case, and tested in that case 17:08 hdl_laptop I will send him an email 17:09 gmcharlt ok 17:09 gmcharlt based on the one customer support issue where that's come up, my current preference is to have the syspref handle both cases 17:09 kf searching in bugs.koha.org now 17:10 gmcharlt unless it turns out that there's some reason to have separate sysprefs 17:53 slef gmcharlt: about bug 3332 - are there (m)any big changes to borrowers which will hinder forward-porting it to 3.2? 17:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjr@ttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons 17:59 gmcharlt slef: except for the odd new column or two, none that I can think of 18:08 chris morning 18:08 chris @wunder wellington, new zealand 18:08 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on June 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 18:08 slef gmcharlt: cool. Thanks. 18:08 chris i hate southerlies 18:09 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET 18:09 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 19.3°C (7:08 PM BST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady). 18:09 slef time for a bike ride :) 18:09 slef bbl 18:15 paul_p @wunder montauban, france 18:15 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Montauban, La Ville Dieu Du Temple, France is 21.7°C (8:14 PM CEST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling). 18:15 eric_b @wunder montreal, quebec 18:15 munin eric_b: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 22.0°C (2:00 PM EDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 18:22 chris hehe 19:22 |Lupin| good night, France. Good day, NZ 19:28 chris heh 19:29 chris < rangi> kgs: have they actually said anything about FLOSS yet? 19:29 chris < kgs> @rangi there was a slide that said open source on it. 19:29 ebegin chris, hehe 19:30 rhcl @wunder what's polaris 19:30 munin rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 19:30 ebegin chris, a plugin for munin telling what time is it where would be nice... 19:30 slef rhcl: I don't know either 19:31 slef rhcl: and I'm being too lazy to look up 19:31 chris proprietary ILS 19:31 rhcl :) 19:31 chris admittedly a fairly no crap one, compared to the others 19:31 slef "the brightest star in the constellation Ursa Minor" thanks wikipedia 19:31 rhcl Ah, I was thinking submarine. An open source nuke sub would be really cool. 19:31 slef @wikipedia polaris 19:31 munin slef: downloading the Perl source 19:32 slef I could probably write a wikipedia plugin using wp.dg.cx pretty easily 19:32 chris they are picking up a lot of ex horizon customers 19:32 slef but I've also got work to do :) 19:32 slef boo! 19:32 chris but are obviously worried that koha and evergreen are too 19:32 slef from the end-of-life frying pan back into the proprietary fire? 19:33 chris so do some webinar, about 'open source' to try and muddy the waters 19:33 chris yeah 19:33 chris vendor_locking-- 19:33 chris lockin too 19:33 ebegin a lot of proprietary ILS are worried by Koha and Evergreen... 19:33 chris good 19:34 chris :) 19:35 ebegin chrisL: You are following the conf on twitter? 19:35 chris kgs (from evergreen) was/is 19:35 chris in the webinar, and i was following her tweets 19:36 chris i would have had to install some proprietary crud to watch the webinar :-) 19:36 ebegin is the webinar can be access by anyone? 19:37 chris i think its finished now, but yes i think that was the idea 19:37 ebegin ok 19:39 chris ebegin: you will appreciate this one http://twitter.com/taonga/status/2190392556 19:39 ebegin Is there a script in Koha comparing the content of a biblio to authorities and link them together? 19:40 gmcharlt ebegin: link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 19:40 ebegin gmcharlt, my understanding of this script is that it checks the $9 field and copy the authority info in the biblio. 19:42 ebegin What I'm looking for is a biblio without $9 subfields. Comparing info (ex: 700) with all authorities and assing the authnumber to the $9 field if there is a match... 19:43 slef ebegin: that would be cool 19:43 slef chris: Debian MiniConf @ LCA2010 in Wellington — help needed 19:43 chris i think ryan had something like that 19:44 chris slef: orly? 19:44 chris we was planning to help with the perl one 19:44 chris ill ping the dd at work 19:44 chris dd's even 19:45 chris we=I :) 19:46 slef tyvm... mail was to debian-project by madduck 19:46 chris ahhh 19:47 chris penny's man :) 19:47 slef yep 19:47 chris angling for a trip back to nz :) 19:48 chris im sure we can sort something out 19:48 chris ill forward the email to some people 19:55 chris done, something to suprise them when they get to work :) 20:00 chris hello kansas 20:02 gmcharlt ebegin: no, the script checks headings in the bib record and creates $9 if the subfield exists 20:02 gmcharlt *authority exists 20:02 wizzyrea1 oh... the responsibility! 20:03 wizzyrea1 <there's no place like home... there's no place like home...> 20:03 gmcharlt are Kansans sick of that joke by now? 20:03 Snow_Fox kinda tune it out actually 20:03 wizzyrea1 oh... yea, exactly 20:03 chris its evolved 20:04 Snow_Fox i mention that a munchkin hung himself in the film and that usually stops that 20:04 chris (thats all nzers know about kansas) 20:04 wizzyrea1 O.o 20:05 slef I just misread nzers... too much BNP news lately :-/ 20:05 wizzyrea1 snow_fox: :) 20:05 Snow_Fox its like throwing a pipwrench into a bunch of gears 20:05 wizzyrea1 without all the screeching 20:05 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 20:05 chris slef: ouch please dont confuse us with them :) 20:05 Snow_Fox eh 20:06 gmcharlt Snow_Fox: of course, then there's http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/ozsuicide.asp 20:06 Snow_Fox were all people :-P 20:06 chris you know who the BNP are Snow_Fox ? 20:06 chris i wouldnt call them people 20:06 Snow_Fox nopers 20:06 Snow_Fox but i was refering to the New Zelanders 20:06 chris think world war 2, a word that has n and z in it 20:07 Snow_Fox pardon the spelling :-P 20:07 Snow_Fox gotcha 20:07 slef Snow_Fox: BNP are the British Nazi Party 20:07 slef of course, officially it's N for National 20:07 wizzyrea1 national, according to wikipedia 20:07 wizzyrea1 but they sound vile 20:07 Snow_Fox you would think that would be rather defeatist 20:07 Snow_Fox and on that note 20:07 Snow_Fox lunch time 20:07 slef who was the KohaCon 2009 committee? Only the three on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 ? 20:08 chris speaking of which, so far its Jo from hlt and I 20:09 chris for the wellington bid, we would love anyone else who wants to help organise 20:10 chris those 3 plus tina and nicole 20:10 chris afaik 20:11 chris oh, i lie nicole has volunteered to help organising too, so yay for that 20:11 chris nengard++ 20:12 chris im hoping we can get the use of one of the universities facilities for 2010 20:14 wizzyrea1 ooh that would be good 20:14 chris victoria university has a good library science program 20:15 chris and brenda chawner there, is a big FLOSS fan 20:15 chris so ill try to co-opt her :) 20:20 gmcharlt chris: do you know Adrienne Ridley-Houlker there? 20:30 brendan Would love plan this on-site -- but I can only contribute virtually 20:32 wizzyrea yea, I'd help too except not for sure for sure I will be able to come (but will try to move heaven and earth to make sure when the time is nearer) 20:39 richard hi 20:42 hdl_laptop ebegin : what you are looking for was done for 2.2 20:43 hdl_laptop I have adapted for 3.0, but there are two chunks of code : 20:44 hdl_laptop One pm and one script which uses that. 20:45 hdl_laptop I have not committed it because it is not stable enough in my opinion and lacks documentation. 20:45 hdl_laptop + it is adapted to UNIMARC and would require some work to adapt to MARC21. 20:46 pianohacker Has anyone else seen a problem where, say, C4::Stats exports DoBlah, and C4::Circulation use's C4::Stats, but using DoBlah in C4::Circulation results in an error? I've seen it and worked around it, but cannot figure out what triggers it 20:50 hdl_laptop I would have suspected that either. 20:50 hdl_laptop But no evidence for it 20:50 hdl_laptop good nite 20:50 pianohacker good night 21:28 pianohacker graphviz input file of Koha's dependencies (have chewed through my swap and crashed circo trying to display this): http://pastebin.ca/1462625 21:45 chris back 21:48 wizzyrea quickie: correct that staff results have no xslt display? 21:48 wizzyrea (yet) 21:50 chris gmcharlt: name doesnt ring a bell 21:50 chris wizzyrea: i think that is correct 21:58 chris pianohacker: C4::Circ certainly has issues 21:59 chris uses C4::Reserves which in turn uses C4::Circulation 21:59 chris theres a potential memory leak there, for running under mod_perl 22:03 chris brendan: thanks for the volunteering :) 22:03 chris right i think ive caught up :) 22:04 brendan :) 22:04 brendan chris -- Assuming your the project manager on that one -- so let me know what I can do! 22:05 chris ill probably defer to Jo mostly :) 22:12 brendan @later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need 22:12 munin brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 22:12 brendan @later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need 22:12 munin brendan: I suck 22:12 chris you need @later tell 22:12 brendan thanks 22:13 brendan @later tell Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need 22:13 munin brendan: The operation succeeded. 22:13 chris :) 22:13 brendan sweet 22:58 Jo morning 22:58 pianohacker Good morning 22:58 chris hi jo 22:58 Jo how are you 23:06 pianohacker How do you manage multiple Zebra installations (for multiple databases, say) on one server, #koha ? Multiple instances of zebrasrv seems like the most likely option, but also wasteful 23:09 chris you can define as many db's in your config file as you want 23:09 chris and have one zebra that runs them all 23:09 chris *but* 23:09 chris you will get into logjams indexing 23:09 pianohacker I wondered 23:10 chris multiple instances of zebrasrv running is probably the safest 23:10 pianohacker And just configure each one with the corresponding koha-conf.xml 23:11 chris *nod* 23:11 pianohacker k, thanks 23:11 chris so you only need one installed, but you can have multiples running 23:11 chris (not all trying to use the same port/socket of course :)) 23:14 pianohacker definitely not; zebra's touchy enough as it is 23:14 chris :) 00:05 chris @later tell paul_p http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2507733/France-unleash-Chabal-against-All-Blacks 00:05 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 01:20 brendan excuse me if I have missed this somewhere - but on my koha-dev install -- all of the files in the clone have the permissions of my user -- but all of the files under my koha-dev have the permissions of root? -- does this have something to do with the install script? 01:20 chris yeah the sudo make install 01:20 chris does that 01:21 chris i sudo chown -R koha:koha ~/koha-dev 01:21 chris usually 01:24 brendan sorry just clarify what you mean there -- when running the sudo make install -- that will cause the koha-dev portion to have root permissions 01:25 chris yeah cos you are running it as root 01:25 brendan running the install - right gotcha 01:25 brendan ok next thing -- should that info be added to the manual ? 01:26 brendan even though the manual is usually only geared for simple install 01:26 chris well, the idea is the dev install is for dev installers :) 01:26 brendan errr.. standard 01:26 chris yeah 01:26 chris the standard install does the chown step 01:26 brendan correct -- I guess I also just did this in the past 01:26 brendan and I'm only asking now 01:27 chris :) 01:27 brendan well at least until the first time -- it said I didn't have permissions to write into my zebradb.. hehe 01:27 chris but on the wiki wouldnt hurt 01:27 brendan ahah 01:29 brendan thanks chris 01:29 chris np 02:07 brendan @wunder Santa Barbara 02:07 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 02:07 brendan @wunder Santa Barbara, CA 02:08 munin brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.4°C (7:07 PM PDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). 02:08 brendan that feels cold to me ;) 03:24 Amit hi brendan, richard, Jo, Chris, mason 03:24 Amit good morning #koha 03:26 richard hey amit 03:26 Amit richard: NZ out of T-20 world cup 03:26 brendan hey amit 03:26 Amit India loss another match 03:26 richard yep 03:55 chris http://opensource.califa.org/ 03:55 chris anyone ever heard of these guys? 03:58 richard interesting 03:59 chris yeah, first ive seen of them 04:05 mason hi folks 04:06 richard hey mason 04:06 chris heya mason 04:07 Amit heya mason 04:07 mason me+++ 04:16 brendan hey mason 04:16 mason heya brendan, looong time no chat 04:16 brendan ha - can you self karma ? 04:16 mason mason++ 04:16 munin mason: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 04:16 brendan never even thought to ask that 04:16 mason brendan++ 04:16 brendan there you go 04:16 brendan mason ++ 04:16 mason aaaw, thanx 04:17 chris no space brendan, or it doesnt count :) 04:17 brendan mason++ 04:17 brendan thanks 04:29 chris right time to start figuring out something for dinner 04:54 brendan good night #koha -- early night for me :) 05:03 Amit night brendan 05:12 |Lupin| hi 05:44 Amit hi Lupin 05:45 |Lupin| hey Amit 05:45 |Lupin| Amit: you live in Delhi ? 05:45 Amit no i m in bangalore 05:46 |Lupin| Amit: ah okay. This is in India, right ? 05:48 Amit yes 05:50 |Lupin| hi laurence 05:50 laurence hello |Lupin| 05:52 Amit hi laurence 05:52 Jo woo hoo! Presenting Koha 3.0 at the LIANZA conf in NZ in Nov 05:52 Amit hi jo 05:52 Jo Hi AMit 05:52 Jo How are things with you 05:52 Amit every thing is fine here 05:52 Amit u tell Jo 05:54 Amit hi greenmang0 05:56 Jo might have to talk to Zeno about the very cute web 2.0 stuff he knows about 06:09 Amit hi hdl 06:20 chris heh 06:20 chris i called it 06:21 Amit hi nicomo 06:22 nicomo hi all 06:22 nicomo hi Amit 06:23 chris http://tinyurl.com/mksgf5 06:23 greenmang0 Amit: 06:23 chris and now 06:23 Amit hi greenman0 06:24 chris Health officials say it may not be long before they give up trying to contain the virus and move instead into managing it. 06:25 chris i should by a lotto ticket 06:27 Amit chris: 31 swine flu cases in india 06:28 chris we are up to 100+ here 06:28 chris so far it seems like a mild form of the flu 06:28 chris that spreads fast 06:28 chris (altho since its the first flu they have ever really tracked from the start there is nothing to compare it with) 07:03 hdl_laptop chris: is nicolas registered user for french on Pootle ? 07:03 chris hi kf and paul_p 07:03 hdl_laptop hi kf 07:04 chris lemme check 07:04 chris nope just you 07:05 chris he has now 07:05 hdl_laptop could you add him ? 07:05 hdl_laptop thanks. 07:05 hdl_laptop Is there no way for a registered user to add another one ? 07:06 chris yep you had the rights to do that 07:06 chris http://translate.koha.org/fr/opac3_0/admin.html 07:06 chris can you see that page (need to be logged in) 07:24 kf good morning :) 07:30 hdl_laptop chris: I can. Is there anything to do for Pascale ebegin and another Southern person ? 07:30 chris if you want to add them you can on that page 07:30 chris you choose them from the drop down, then select their permissions on the right 07:33 chris (those are the users who have chosen french as their language) 07:33 chris once a user does that, we can then assign them some permissions 07:40 atz how awesome is this... http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=93461505749&h=CeNsb&u=8D9L8&ref=nf 07:41 atz sorry.... 07:41 atz http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-revolution-will-be-televised.html 07:41 atz ohio state guy in the middle of the democratic protests in tehran 07:42 chris that is awesome, on so many levels :) 07:43 chris late night atz ? 07:43 chris or super early morning 07:43 atz yeah, heading to bed now 07:43 atz fell asleep on the couch 07:43 chris ahh :) 08:58 chris hi |Lupin| 09:06 |Lupin| hi chris 09:37 |Lupin| is it really true that an ISBN is not a unique identifier ? Are there examples of books that are completely different and still have the same ISBN ? 09:45 Elwell |Lupin|: yep - I've seen US vs Europe have different books from same publisher 09:46 Elwell can't bring up an example now, but I discovered it when doing book lookup via ISBN for a bookseller DB 09:48 chris they also ran out of numbers 09:48 chris hence now its 13 09:49 chris but while it was still 10, the publishers decided to reuse some 09:49 Elwell chris: I thought the move to 13 was to save doing the conversion from raw ISBN to barcode 09:49 Elwell ie, change prefix and checksum 09:50 Elwell 978 is 'bookland' country of origin IIRC 09:50 Elwell but hey, I'm only a geek not a librarian :-) 09:51 Elwell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookland_(imaginary_place) 09:53 kf different editions can also have the same ISBN 09:54 |Lupin| okay guys, thanks a lot ! 09:55 chris Elwell: yeah 978 is for those that had an ISBN 10 already 09:55 chris This change is happening for the following reasons: 09:55 chris to expand the numbering capacity of the ISBN system and alleviate numbering shortages in certain areas of the world; 09:55 chris to fully align the numbering system for books with the global EAN.UCC identification system that is widely used to identify most other consumer goods worldwide. 09:56 |Lupin| hmm I wasn't aware of this one... 09:56 chris |Lupin|: most national librarys act as duplicate clearing houses and report any they find 09:58 |Lupin| chris: not sure I understand what you say correctly... you mean that it is not unusual to get several results for an ISBN search done at a national library ? 09:58 chris it is unusual 09:58 chris but sometimes happens 09:59 |Lupin| I see 09:59 chris not at a national library usually 09:59 chris more likely to happen when you are searching multiple sources 09:59 chris for eg, if i search Library of congress and BNF 10:00 chris i might find 2 items with the same isbn 10:00 |Lupin| chris: if an ISBN search returns only one result, how trustworthy do you hink this result is ? can one be sure that this single result corresponds to the expected book ? 10:00 chris you cant be sure 10:00 |Lupin| could you give a probability ? 10:00 chris but you can assume with a high degree of probability that it is 10:01 |Lupin| yes, that's what I thought 10:01 chris you would need to ask a librarian 10:01 chris :) 10:01 |Lupin| okay 10:01 chris i know that librarything gets isbn collisions every so often 10:02 chris but in that case, there might be typo's involved also 10:02 |Lupin| librarything ? 10:03 chris http://www.librarything.com/ 10:03 chris i dont use it, but its pretty popular in the US 10:04 |Lupin| ok 10:05 |Lupin| I am currently trying to talk to the Z3950 server of the national library here in France 10:05 |Lupin| it is terrible 10:05 |Lupin| I think I tried 50 times in 24 hours 10:05 |Lupin| and only one or two connections where successful 10:08 nicomo |Lupin|: yep, at BnF their server is basically broken 10:08 nicomo if it's for testing purposes and you ant unimarc records 10:08 nicomo i suggest you try sudoc at 10:09 nicomo carmin.sudoc.abes.fr:10646 10:09 |Lupin| nicomo: thanks 10:09 nicomo databse name : abes-z39-public 10:09 |Lupin| nicomo: actually it's not for testing 10:09 |Lupin| our library has around 5000 records 10:09 |Lupin| but very incomplete 10:09 |Lupin| no classification information 10:10 |Lupin| and now we would like to create a real catalogue 10:10 |Lupin| so the idea was to gather all the ISBns of the books we have and download the corresponding records from the BnF 10:10 |Lupin| nicomo: but if you have an idea for an alternative strategy, it'd be very appreciated 10:11 chris |Lupin|: is there a chance you can send the ISBN's to BnF 10:11 chris and they send back the MARC 10:11 chris thats what HLT did with the National Library here in NZ 10:11 chris was more efficient than doing 75,000 searches against there z3950 server 10:11 |Lupin| chris: I don't know. I'll have to ask them 10:11 chris there=their 10:12 |Lupin| sure 10:12 |Lupin| that would be very cool actually 10:12 nicomo chris: the french National library doesn't provide that type of service 10:12 chris that's a shame 10:12 |Lupin| nicomo: even to another library ? 10:12 nicomo to tell you the truth I sometimes wonder what service they do provide 10:12 chris heh 10:13 nicomo |Lupin|: yes, even to another library 10:13 |Lupin| it would be funny, wouldn't it be so sad at the same time 10:13 nicomo what they can do is give you a copy of their catalog 10:13 nicomo the whole mess of it 10:13 |Lupin| hmm that wold be cool also ! 10:13 |Lupin| how big is it ? 10:14 nicomo about 13 million records i think 10:14 |Lupin| I mean in Ggigabytes...:) 10:14 Elwell When coding a system for a 2nd hand bookseller, I found the best validation was by checking against copac.ac.uk z39.50 10:15 nicomo Elwell: yes, but they won't provide unimarc records, probably 10:15 |Lupin| Elwell: even for books mostly in french ? 10:15 Elwell |Lupin|: was UK based 10:15 |Lupin| Elwell: and also, it is not only for validation, we want to get the classification data 10:15 Elwell http://copac.ac.uk/interfaces/z39.50/ 10:16 Elwell There are no plans to deliver MARC records as part of the Copac service 10:16 nicomo ok 10:16 nicomo interesting though 10:16 nicomo well, that being said, it's lunch time here 10:16 |Lupin| yep, thanks Elwell 10:16 nicomo bon appêtit 10:17 |Lupin| pareil nicomo 10:17 Elwell (was my 1st foray into z39.50 as abebooks' software was merde at the time. 10:18 nicomo Elwell: seems like the most useful french word entered your lexicon first :-) 10:18 |Lupin| :-) 10:19 Elwell nicomo: err, and thats from school too. 10:21 Elwell mais, vous et raison, c'est dejeuner 10:22 chris eiro: just answered your email 11:02 kf lunch time :)