Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
12:38 |
|
jwagner |
Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. |
12:39 |
|
schuster |
While your there see if you can get b and p as well! Big problem with series books... |
12:41 |
|
jwagner |
Subfield b seems to show by default -- at least the title I'm looking at shows it. But only a and b. We need h (Medium) to display. Don't have a record with a subfield p handy, but presumably it would be fixed in the same place. |
12:41 |
|
schuster |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2771 |
12:43 |
|
jwagner |
Thanks, just added my 2 cents there. If I could find where it's controlled, I could at least fix my immediate problem.... |
12:44 |
|
jwagner |
I can't even find where it's telling the 245 to include subfield b. Gotta be there somewhere! |
13:04 |
|
jwagner |
AHA! Since owen the master at catalog displays has joined :-) I'll repeat my question -- Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. |
13:04 |
|
jwagner |
David Schuster & I were just discussing this and he pointed me to bugzill # 2771. |
13:04 |
|
owen |
detail.pl and whatever pm's support it |
13:05 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, but I've been trolling through detail.pl and Biblio.pm and some other .pms, and can't find anywhere that specifies what fields/subfields should display for anything. It just seems to be parsing them with my $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); |
13:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: it's look at the MARC framework field mapping |
13:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
and expecting that the 245$b will be mapped to bibliosubtitle.subtitle |
13:06 |
|
gmcharlt |
(or use XSLT ;-) ) |
13:07 |
|
jwagner |
XSLT isn't an option in the staff side right now. |
13:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
doh |
13:07 |
|
jwagner |
I looked at the framework, but how do I tell it I want more than subfield b? |
13:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
it would currently concatenatte them |
13:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
Title : subtitle | second $b value | third $b value |
13:08 |
|
owen |
Now that we've got unimarc support in XSLT is there any reason not to use XSLT in the staff client? |
13:09 |
|
jwagner |
gmcharlt, so I could modify the subfield b in the 245, which now reads b Remainder of title Tab:2, | Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle, Not repeatable, Not mandatory, |
13:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
13:09 |
|
jwagner |
or modify subfield h for the Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle part? |
13:15 |
|
jwagner |
Hrrmmmmm. When I go into subfield b, Koha link is blank and there isn't a bibliosubtitle.subtitle option. Setting that field for subfield h to biblio.title didn't seem to do anything. |
13:25 |
|
ebegin |
Morning! |
13:25 |
|
ebegin |
Isn't there a way to modify an SQL report once it is created? |
13:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: the bibliiosubtitles thing is a actually a bit of a hack - you need to modify it via SQL |
13:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
ebegin: yep - chris did a patch for that in HEAD last month |
13:26 |
|
jwagner |
OK. I'll have one of the SQL wizards take a look there, then. Thanks much! |
13:26 |
|
ebegin |
gmcharlt, ok, thanks! |
13:33 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: Is there a reason why we shouldn't be using XSLT in the staff client? |
13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: no particular reason, just never done |
13:34 |
|
owen |
I thought the argument previously was that there wasn't Unimarc support |
13:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: it would have been syspreffed, presumably, like in the OPAC |
13:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
of course, there is a larger issue |
13:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
current framework-based approach does have the theoretical advantage |
13:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
of allowing data display customization without having to write XSLT |
13:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
so utlimately I think we want somethign that can help generate the XSLT |
13:37 |
|
owen |
How is the framework tied to the display on detail.pl? I thought it was all pretty much hard-coded. |
13:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
indirectly to specify which MARC fields populate the variables |
13:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
the $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); |
13:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
example is assuming that something was mapped to the subtitle in the framework |
13:40 |
|
owen |
Ugh. Larger issues. |
13:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
even allowing editing of the xslt through the web interface would help a little |
13:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
just a little though |
13:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
or maybe there's a reason not to allow that |
13:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
that I don't know |
13:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
and hello. |
13:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
;) |
13:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
woudl have to make sure that access to the editing the templates is reasonably secure |
13:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
but certainly not impossible |
13:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
the XSLT would be a special case though - since it's game over if there's a syntax error, woudl have to validate before letting a change be saved |
13:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
of course, there's also the version control issue :) |
13:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
hee, always |
13:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
but in principle, all of those are solvable problems |
13:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
idk, worth solving though, or find a completely different way to do? |
13:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
something different, perhaps - I'm leery of having XSLT *be* the main bib template customization language, at least not without a good front end |
13:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
while I think more librarians should be comfortable with it |
13:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
it is still rather verbose |
13:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, in my mind it ought to be like building with legos, just snap it together in the order you want |
13:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
but you know, I"m simple like that :P |
13:55 |
|
owen |
Yeah, but remember digging through your huge box of legos looking for just the right one? |
13:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
yessir I do |
13:56 |
|
owen |
That is to say, Lego-brand building blocks ;) |
13:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
HA... please don't make the copyright police come get me >.< |
13:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
It's all backups I swear |
13:58 |
|
owen |
...and the original DVDs are in the safe deposit box! I lost the key! |
13:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
^.^ glad you're back, owen |
13:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
that's it - time for an audit - do you have all of your license documentation? </BSA> |
13:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
I use OSS, bite me |
13:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
:D |
14:12 |
|
slef |
ls |
14:12 |
|
slef |
oops |
14:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
aindillis |
14:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
atz |
14:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
brendan |
14:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
... |
14:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
:) |
14:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: re bug 3243, do you have another patch for the template to preserve the batch type, not just batch ID? |
14:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: if not, I'll just do it myself in a sec |
14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh, there's no staff user CSS? |
14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
pref? |
14:29 |
|
owen |
Yeah, strange omission. |
14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
hrm, is there a bug for that :P |
14:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
b/c it should be included |
14:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
would be an ez way to help customize the receipts |
14:30 |
|
owen |
Wait--that is assuming you don't mean intranetcolorstylesheet |
14:30 |
|
owen |
There isn't an analog to opacusercss |
14:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2349 |
14:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
the 2nd, analog to opacusercss |
14:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
but this would be yet another way to handle it |
14:33 |
|
owen |
Of course you can always re-purpose your intranetuserjs field ;) |
14:33 |
|
owen |
</script> |
14:33 |
|
owen |
<style> |
14:33 |
|
owen |
</style> |
14:33 |
|
owen |
<script> |
14:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
hmm |
14:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
<nub alert> not a tactic I've used before... will think about that |
14:34 |
|
owen |
It's not how it's "meant" to be used, but since you're just embedding HTML you've got free rein. |
14:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
so you're basically just escaping the script and starting it up again |
14:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl_laptop |
14:35 |
|
owen |
wizzyrea: right |
14:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
you're so clever. I wouldn't have thought to do that ;P |
14:42 |
|
owen |
Feels kinda dirty--like SQL injection or something. But I think I can trust me. |
14:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
lulz |
15:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
owen: feels dirty, works great :D thanks |
17:22 |
|
brendan |
hello #koha - how's everyone doing today |
17:22 |
|
pianohacker |
Good, busy; yourself? |
17:23 |
|
brendan |
hey pianohacker -- just finishing up at the Evergreen conference |
17:23 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh, cool |
17:23 |
|
pianohacker |
How'd that go? |
17:23 |
|
brendan |
good -- they've got a few neat little things coming out with there next release |
17:23 |
|
pianohacker |
Do you have a link? |
17:23 |
|
brendan |
acq and serials (if all goes well for the developers |
17:24 |
|
brendan |
yeah -- I believe this is there public demo of their new stuff -- one sec let me find it |
17:24 |
|
pianohacker |
thanks |
17:31 |
|
brendan |
one sec pianohacker -- got distracted |
17:33 |
|
brendan |
acq.open-ils.org |
17:34 |
|
brendan |
you should be able to log in with username = admin and password = open-ils |
17:38 |
|
owen |
I wonder if Evergreen gets crap from its users about requiring javascript |
17:38 |
|
joetho |
All systems get crap from users about *something*. |
17:39 |
|
brendan |
yup |
17:39 |
|
joetho |
I am looking at this evergreen deal, |
17:39 |
|
joetho |
and I am thinking: somewhere, somebody is mad about something in this ILS. |
17:44 |
|
brendan |
the nice thing that I see from this demo -- is that you can edit and add you're circ rules and other config stuff -- before (earlier releases) you had to edit xml and javascript files |
17:44 |
|
joetho |
earlier releases of evergreen, correct? |
17:45 |
|
brendan |
yes |
17:45 |
|
brendan |
and on their current release 1.4 |
17:46 |
|
joetho |
I guess this login only allows ser/acq |
17:47 |
|
pianohacker |
This feels very much like a conventional ILS; nested interfaces, obscure terminology ("circulation modifiers"?) |
17:47 |
|
joetho |
and a great big sigh, because I should be back hacking away at my koha reports. |
17:47 |
|
joetho |
although there is lots to be learnt from other ILS, particularly this one. |
17:48 |
|
brendan |
yup always something to learn |
17:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
joetho: what reports are you working on? |
17:49 |
|
joetho |
and this acq module doesn't look all that usable. |
17:50 |
|
pianohacker |
joetho: learn from as in avoid or work towards? :) |
17:50 |
|
joetho |
liz: ones that either crash or timeout. |
17:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
icwutudidthar |
17:50 |
|
joetho |
jesse: both |
17:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
custom or canned? |
17:51 |
|
joetho |
where? on my system? ARE YOU IN MY SYSTEM?? |
17:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
simma! No! |
17:51 |
|
joetho |
I don't nose around in yours. OK OK OK, I do, but I am very careful. |
17:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
ha. This explains why we think we have a ghost in the machine |
17:52 |
|
joetho |
do you have another chat client or name at your fingertips? |
17:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
I sent u a pm |
17:54 |
|
joetho |
k, gchat in 2 min ? |
17:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
sure |
18:03 |
|
joetho |
snort. Some nerds WE are. I just had to reinstall mine. |
18:08 |
|
wizzyrea |
up late with the kiddo eh, chris? |
18:09 |
|
chris |
naw, wind woke me up, its 6am |
18:09 |
|
joetho |
liz: gchat? |
18:09 |
|
joetho |
you forgot already, didn't you. |
18:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
noooooooo |
18:11 |
|
schuster |
wizzyrea - have you updated to the latest update patch from LibLime yet? .14? |
18:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
schuster: checking... if yes, only on our test environs |
18:11 |
|
joetho |
I wish liblime would do that without us asking |
18:12 |
|
pianohacker |
Be back soon, time to sit in a different chair and work on Koha |
18:12 |
|
schuster |
OK - we updated last night our production and I didn't catch this bug in the test environment http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3166 |
18:12 |
|
schuster |
rounding problem with multiple lines. There is a patch, but now I need to wait for the next patch update to get it... |
18:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
I bet if you hassle them they'd do it early >.> |
18:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
schuster: I think we're actually ahead of you |
18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
3.0100033 is what our test environs says |
18:14 |
|
schuster |
We'll we found it today as school is closing down and kids are paying their fines! I've started to hassle... |
18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
(and we only have 3 fining libraries) |
18:14 |
|
schuster |
WOW! you are way ahead, but you have that custom holds stuff so that is probably why... |
18:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
the default messaging prefs patchset, actually |
18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
... sorry gmcharlt... |
18:25 |
|
schuster |
We need a LibLime discussion place for those of us that are ONLY LibLime customers to chat... I don't like airing dirty laundry here... |
18:26 |
|
owen |
We've been mostly and happily bug free since our last update |
18:26 |
|
owen |
They hit all the biggies following our upgrade |
18:27 |
|
atz |
schuster: we have a #liblimequestions channel on freenode |
18:27 |
|
atz |
typically only wel populated during training sessions |
18:27 |
|
atz |
*well |
18:38 |
|
atz |
gmcharlt: split out my cleanup patch and combined it w/ the inapplicable one from earlier |
18:38 |
|
atz |
should be good to go on HEAD now |
18:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
what would be the best way to report on items that haven't circulated? |
18:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
atz: cool |
18:39 |
|
atz |
wizzyrea: there's an existing report for stale items, i think |
18:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
atz: interesting... i'll go look for it |
18:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: also, select * from items where issues is null or issues = 0 # if you're looking for the truly hopeless items like DOS 6.1 manuals |
18:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
best... example... ever |
18:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
although it's sobering to think that there are lots of public libraries (and ones not specializing in computer history) that still have such beasts |
18:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
(and acadmic and special libraries too, of course) |
18:47 |
|
chris |
well it was the last good OS release from miscrosoft |
18:47 |
|
brendan |
hehe |
18:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
google++ # nice logo today |
18:50 |
|
chris |
ohh 143/kmph no wonder the wind woke me up |
18:50 |
|
gmcharlt |
! |
18:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
don't you tend to end up with kittens, children, and small cows platered to the walls with wind speeds like that? |
18:52 |
|
chris |
heh suprisingly not, wellington gets winds around that speed pretty much every year |
18:52 |
|
owen |
If you look outside and see a technicolor candy-toting midget, you know it was serious. |
18:52 |
|
chris |
usually a fence or 2 blows over, maybe some powerlines |
18:55 |
|
chris |
http://metservice.co.nz/public[…]rared-latest.html damn you swirly cloud thingy!! |
19:03 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's what, 60ish mph? |
19:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
89 mph |
19:04 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, that's extreme even for us kansans |
19:04 |
|
chris |
well its gusts, not like a tornado thing |
19:04 |
|
chris |
we dont get continious winds at that speed, but we get gusts |
19:09 |
|
owen |
WolframAlpha responds to 143 kmph with "88.86 mph" and "~ speed at which Marty McFly needs to drive the Delorean in order to time travel" |
19:14 |
|
chris |
heh |
19:14 |
|
chris |
awesom |
19:15 |
|
chris |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzNY4NH1TQg |
19:26 |
|
chris |
that will undermine the have kohacon in wellington bid :-) |
19:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
conference organizers will provide wind anchors? |
19:27 |
|
chris |
we can all tether together :) |
19:30 |
|
chris |
russel is in the south island mountain biking today ... i bet he is having fun in this weather |
19:42 |
|
pianohacker |
atz: I noticed that you've been doing a lot of cleanup work lately. Do you have a secret agenda in mind? |
19:42 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: i'm implementing granular permissions |
19:42 |
|
atz |
so i'm having to touch everything anyway |
19:43 |
|
atz |
not very secret, there should be RFC's out there (and more coming, probably) |
19:44 |
|
atz |
so much of the reports are just blind copy/paste |
19:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
owen: lolmarty mcfly |
19:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
owen: the intranetuserjs thing we talked about earlier was epic win |
19:51 |
|
owen |
Cool. Whatcha doin'? |
20:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
trivial things really, but things that mean I don't have to maintain the template |
20:21 |
|
pianohacker |
atz: (Sorry, have been distracted) When I finally get around to redoing ajaxcirc, this'll make my life much easier, thank you |
20:21 |
|
pianohacker |
brb |
20:21 |
|
atz |
np |
20:22 |
|
chris |
hmm i hear yells of "daddy" time to go get the little one up |
20:31 |
|
schuster |
wizzyrea - ok intranetuserjs thing - explain? |
20:33 |
|
owen |
schuster: She was asking whether there was an intranet analogue to the OPAC's OPACUserCSS system pref |
20:33 |
|
owen |
There isn't, but I suggested she push the boundaries of the intranetuserjs pref to accomplish the same thing |
20:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: lazyweb - in the OPAC CSS, is there a class for a "dialog warning" or the like? e.g., something more insistant than a "dialog message" div |
20:37 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: Yes, the same as in the staff client. "dialog alert" |
20:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
nm - "dialog alert" is what I'm lokoing for |
20:38 |
|
schuster |
Ok owen sorry I don't know this well enough yet to know what she would use it for so I will wait for the next conference when she presents on it! |
20:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: thanks |
21:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
schuster: I wanted to do some styling to the receipts, but there was no place to put custom CSS |
21:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
in the sysprefs |
21:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
so owen suggested a way around that pref omission |
21:10 |
|
wizzyrea |
quite ingenious, actually |
21:11 |
|
schuster |
Ya know when someone puts their hands over their head and flaps the fingers??? waon waon woan.... Charlie Brown.. ;) have a great weekend everyone I'm outa here. |
21:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
doh... sigh. I'm no genius. I stand on the shoulders of giants. |
21:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
actually more like "teeter precariously" |
21:17 |
|
chris |
heh |
21:17 |
|
chris |
that would be an awesome badge |
21:17 |
|
chris |
actually i may use that for my job title |
21:17 |
|
chris |
Chris Cormack "Precarious teeterer" |
21:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
LOL |
21:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's like an AA meeting "Hi, I'm Liz Rea. I teeter precariously on the shoulders of giants." |
21:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
all: Hi Liz |
21:21 |
|
chris |
hehe |
21:21 |
|
pianohacker |
"Hi, I'm Jesse Weaver. I have a masochistic urge to bang my head against the admin codebase." |
21:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
Hi, Jesse! |
21:21 |
|
chris |
heh |
21:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
and we love you for it |
21:22 |
|
pianohacker |
Ahh, but that nice van with padded walls outside looks so comfortable |
21:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: there are a few terminology suggestions I think I"m going to make on the messaging enhancement, but it's stuff I think I can fix and submit myself |
21:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
now that you've pushed that on |
21:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: ok - note that there are a couple additional patches that you don't have yet in your testing database to fix minor issues |
21:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
okie |
21:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
one Safari-related, the other a concession to users who don't want to sit in contemplation of a blank page |
21:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
!! |
21:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
IE users? |
21:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
kidding, kidding. |
21:24 |
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gmcharlt |
no, IE users just get shown a screen telling them to download FF already |
21:24 |
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chris |
gmcharlt: the zen koha interface :) |
21:25 |
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wizzyrea |
I so did that today. Had a page of html snippets that just... would... not... work... in IE |
21:25 |
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chris |
empty your mind like this page is empty |
21:25 |
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wizzyrea |
I said screw it, made it pretty much plain text |
21:25 |
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chris |
then you will reach catalogue enlightenment |
21:25 |
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wizzyrea |
Ommmmmm |
21:26 |
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wizzyrea |
I'm feeling better already, all the IE rage is just melting away |
21:26 |
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chris |
heh |
21:29 |
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pianohacker |
A flamethrower sounds like a more satisfying way to solve the problem, but zen probably involves less jail time |
21:34 |
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chris |
unless you live in tibe |
21:34 |
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chris |
t |
21:34 |
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pianohacker |
Hehe |
21:34 |
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chris |
ohh political humour on a saturday morning <-- bad chris |
21:35 |
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gmcharlt |
does it make a difference that it's still Friday evening overseas? ;) |
21:36 |
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chris |
oh yeah, thats alright then |
21:42 |
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brendan |
later all -- going out for some dinner... |
21:51 |
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wizzyrea |
ok, I'm giving up and going home. Thanks everybody for another great week on Koha. |
23:05 |
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pianohacker |
good night |
00:14 |
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ryan |
yay, the weekend finally makes it to western U.S. ! |
01:54 |
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brendan |
night all sleep well |
03:08 |
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chris |
hmm i must show eric screen |
10:23 |
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ron_ |
crickey, someone needs to fix their irc client |