Time Nick Message 12:38 jwagner Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. 12:39 schuster While your there see if you can get b and p as well! Big problem with series books... 12:41 jwagner Subfield b seems to show by default -- at least the title I'm looking at shows it. But only a and b. We need h (Medium) to display. Don't have a record with a subfield p handy, but presumably it would be fixed in the same place. 12:41 schuster http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2771 12:43 jwagner Thanks, just added my 2 cents there. If I could find where it's controlled, I could at least fix my immediate problem.... 12:44 jwagner I can't even find where it's telling the 245 to include subfield b. Gotta be there somewhere! 13:04 jwagner AHA! Since owen the master at catalog displays has joined :-) I'll repeat my question -- Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. 13:04 jwagner David Schuster & I were just discussing this and he pointed me to bugzill # 2771. 13:04 owen detail.pl and whatever pm's support it 13:05 jwagner Yes, but I've been trolling through detail.pl and Biblio.pm and some other .pms, and can't find anywhere that specifies what fields/subfields should display for anything. It just seems to be parsing them with my $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); 13:06 gmcharlt jwagner: it's look at the MARC framework field mapping 13:06 gmcharlt and expecting that the 245$b will be mapped to bibliosubtitle.subtitle 13:06 gmcharlt (or use XSLT ;-) ) 13:07 jwagner XSLT isn't an option in the staff side right now. 13:07 gmcharlt doh 13:07 jwagner I looked at the framework, but how do I tell it I want more than subfield b? 13:07 gmcharlt it would currently concatenatte them 13:08 gmcharlt Title : subtitle | second $b value | third $b value 13:08 owen Now that we've got unimarc support in XSLT is there any reason not to use XSLT in the staff client? 13:09 jwagner gmcharlt, so I could modify the subfield b in the 245, which now reads b Remainder of title Tab:2, | Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle, Not repeatable, Not mandatory, 13:09 gmcharlt yes 13:09 jwagner or modify subfield h for the Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle part? 13:15 jwagner Hrrmmmmm. When I go into subfield b, Koha link is blank and there isn't a bibliosubtitle.subtitle option. Setting that field for subfield h to biblio.title didn't seem to do anything. 13:25 ebegin Morning! 13:25 ebegin Isn't there a way to modify an SQL report once it is created? 13:25 gmcharlt jwagner: the bibliiosubtitles thing is a actually a bit of a hack - you need to modify it via SQL 13:26 gmcharlt ebegin: yep - chris did a patch for that in HEAD last month 13:26 jwagner OK. I'll have one of the SQL wizards take a look there, then. Thanks much! 13:26 ebegin gmcharlt, ok, thanks! 13:33 owen gmcharlt: Is there a reason why we shouldn't be using XSLT in the staff client? 13:33 gmcharlt owen: no particular reason, just never done 13:34 owen I thought the argument previously was that there wasn't Unimarc support 13:35 gmcharlt owen: it would have been syspreffed, presumably, like in the OPAC 13:35 gmcharlt of course, there is a larger issue 13:36 gmcharlt current framework-based approach does have the theoretical advantage 13:36 gmcharlt of allowing data display customization without having to write XSLT 13:36 gmcharlt so utlimately I think we want somethign that can help generate the XSLT 13:37 owen How is the framework tied to the display on detail.pl? I thought it was all pretty much hard-coded. 13:37 gmcharlt indirectly to specify which MARC fields populate the variables 13:38 gmcharlt the $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); 13:38 gmcharlt example is assuming that something was mapped to the subtitle in the framework 13:40 owen Ugh. Larger issues. 13:45 wizzyrea even allowing editing of the xslt through the web interface would help a little 13:46 wizzyrea just a little though 13:46 wizzyrea or maybe there's a reason not to allow that 13:46 wizzyrea that I don't know 13:46 wizzyrea and hello. 13:46 wizzyrea ;) 13:48 gmcharlt woudl have to make sure that access to the editing the templates is reasonably secure 13:48 gmcharlt but certainly not impossible 13:48 gmcharlt the XSLT would be a special case though - since it's game over if there's a syntax error, woudl have to validate before letting a change be saved 13:49 gmcharlt of course, there's also the version control issue :) 13:49 wizzyrea hee, always 13:49 gmcharlt but in principle, all of those are solvable problems 13:52 wizzyrea idk, worth solving though, or find a completely different way to do? 13:53 gmcharlt something different, perhaps - I'm leery of having XSLT *be* the main bib template customization language, at least not without a good front end 13:54 gmcharlt while I think more librarians should be comfortable with it 13:54 gmcharlt it is still rather verbose 13:54 wizzyrea yea, in my mind it ought to be like building with legos, just snap it together in the order you want 13:55 wizzyrea but you know, I"m simple like that :P 13:55 owen Yeah, but remember digging through your huge box of legos looking for just the right one? 13:56 wizzyrea yessir I do 13:56 owen That is to say, Lego-brand building blocks ;) 13:56 wizzyrea HA... please don't make the copyright police come get me >.< 13:56 wizzyrea It's all backups I swear 13:58 owen ...and the original DVDs are in the safe deposit box! I lost the key! 13:59 wizzyrea ^.^ glad you're back, owen 13:59 gmcharlt that's it - time for an audit - do you have all of your license documentation? </BSA> 13:59 wizzyrea I use OSS, bite me 13:59 wizzyrea :D 14:12 slef ls 14:12 slef oops 14:12 gmcharlt aindillis 14:12 gmcharlt atz 14:12 gmcharlt brendan 14:12 gmcharlt ... 14:12 gmcharlt :) 14:13 gmcharlt slef: re bug 3243, do you have another patch for the template to preserve the batch type, not just batch ID? 14:14 gmcharlt slef: if not, I'll just do it myself in a sec 14:29 wizzyrea oh, there's no staff user CSS? 14:29 wizzyrea pref? 14:29 owen Yeah, strange omission. 14:29 wizzyrea hrm, is there a bug for that :P 14:29 wizzyrea b/c it should be included 14:30 wizzyrea would be an ez way to help customize the receipts 14:30 owen Wait--that is assuming you don't mean intranetcolorstylesheet 14:30 owen There isn't an analog to opacusercss 14:32 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2349 14:32 wizzyrea the 2nd, analog to opacusercss 14:32 wizzyrea but this would be yet another way to handle it 14:33 owen Of course you can always re-purpose your intranetuserjs field ;) 14:33 owen </script> 14:33 owen <style> 14:33 owen </style> 14:33 owen <script> 14:33 wizzyrea hmm 14:33 wizzyrea <nub alert> not a tactic I've used before... will think about that 14:34 owen It's not how it's "meant" to be used, but since you're just embedding HTML you've got free rein. 14:35 wizzyrea so you're basically just escaping the script and starting it up again 14:35 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 14:35 owen wizzyrea: right 14:38 wizzyrea you're so clever. I wouldn't have thought to do that ;P 14:42 owen Feels kinda dirty--like SQL injection or something. But I think I can trust me. 14:43 wizzyrea lulz 15:06 wizzyrea owen: feels dirty, works great :D thanks 17:22 brendan hello #koha - how's everyone doing today 17:22 pianohacker Good, busy; yourself? 17:23 brendan hey pianohacker -- just finishing up at the Evergreen conference 17:23 pianohacker Oh, cool 17:23 pianohacker How'd that go? 17:23 brendan good -- they've got a few neat little things coming out with there next release 17:23 pianohacker Do you have a link? 17:23 brendan acq and serials (if all goes well for the developers 17:24 brendan yeah -- I believe this is there public demo of their new stuff -- one sec let me find it 17:24 pianohacker thanks 17:31 brendan one sec pianohacker -- got distracted 17:33 brendan acq.open-ils.org 17:34 brendan you should be able to log in with username = admin and password = open-ils 17:38 owen I wonder if Evergreen gets crap from its users about requiring javascript 17:38 joetho All systems get crap from users about *something*. 17:39 brendan yup 17:39 joetho I am looking at this evergreen deal, 17:39 joetho and I am thinking: somewhere, somebody is mad about something in this ILS. 17:44 brendan the nice thing that I see from this demo -- is that you can edit and add you're circ rules and other config stuff -- before (earlier releases) you had to edit xml and javascript files 17:44 joetho earlier releases of evergreen, correct? 17:45 brendan yes 17:45 brendan and on their current release 1.4 17:46 joetho I guess this login only allows ser/acq 17:47 pianohacker This feels very much like a conventional ILS; nested interfaces, obscure terminology ("circulation modifiers"?) 17:47 joetho and a great big sigh, because I should be back hacking away at my koha reports. 17:47 joetho although there is lots to be learnt from other ILS, particularly this one. 17:48 brendan yup always something to learn 17:49 wizzyrea joetho: what reports are you working on? 17:49 joetho and this acq module doesn't look all that usable. 17:50 pianohacker joetho: learn from as in avoid or work towards? :) 17:50 joetho liz: ones that either crash or timeout. 17:50 wizzyrea icwutudidthar 17:50 joetho jesse: both 17:51 wizzyrea custom or canned? 17:51 joetho where? on my system? ARE YOU IN MY SYSTEM?? 17:51 wizzyrea simma! No! 17:51 joetho I don't nose around in yours. OK OK OK, I do, but I am very careful. 17:52 wizzyrea ha. This explains why we think we have a ghost in the machine 17:52 joetho do you have another chat client or name at your fingertips? 17:53 wizzyrea I sent u a pm 17:54 joetho k, gchat in 2 min ? 17:57 wizzyrea sure 18:03 joetho snort. Some nerds WE are. I just had to reinstall mine. 18:08 wizzyrea up late with the kiddo eh, chris? 18:09 chris naw, wind woke me up, its 6am 18:09 joetho liz: gchat? 18:09 joetho you forgot already, didn't you. 18:10 wizzyrea noooooooo 18:11 schuster wizzyrea - have you updated to the latest update patch from LibLime yet? .14? 18:11 wizzyrea schuster: checking... if yes, only on our test environs 18:11 joetho I wish liblime would do that without us asking 18:12 pianohacker Be back soon, time to sit in a different chair and work on Koha 18:12 schuster OK - we updated last night our production and I didn't catch this bug in the test environment http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3166 18:12 schuster rounding problem with multiple lines. There is a patch, but now I need to wait for the next patch update to get it... 18:13 wizzyrea I bet if you hassle them they'd do it early >.> 18:13 wizzyrea schuster: I think we're actually ahead of you 18:14 wizzyrea 3.0100033 is what our test environs says 18:14 schuster We'll we found it today as school is closing down and kids are paying their fines! I've started to hassle... 18:14 wizzyrea (and we only have 3 fining libraries) 18:14 schuster WOW! you are way ahead, but you have that custom holds stuff so that is probably why... 18:14 gmcharlt the default messaging prefs patchset, actually 18:15 wizzyrea ... sorry gmcharlt... 18:25 schuster We need a LibLime discussion place for those of us that are ONLY LibLime customers to chat... I don't like airing dirty laundry here... 18:26 owen We've been mostly and happily bug free since our last update 18:26 owen They hit all the biggies following our upgrade 18:27 atz schuster: we have a #liblimequestions channel on freenode 18:27 atz typically only wel populated during training sessions 18:27 atz *well 18:38 atz gmcharlt: split out my cleanup patch and combined it w/ the inapplicable one from earlier 18:38 atz should be good to go on HEAD now 18:38 wizzyrea what would be the best way to report on items that haven't circulated? 18:39 gmcharlt atz: cool 18:39 atz wizzyrea: there's an existing report for stale items, i think 18:39 wizzyrea atz: interesting... i'll go look for it 18:40 gmcharlt wizzyrea: also, select * from items where issues is null or issues = 0 # if you're looking for the truly hopeless items like DOS 6.1 manuals 18:42 wizzyrea best... example... ever 18:43 gmcharlt although it's sobering to think that there are lots of public libraries (and ones not specializing in computer history) that still have such beasts 18:43 gmcharlt (and acadmic and special libraries too, of course) 18:47 chris well it was the last good OS release from miscrosoft 18:47 brendan hehe 18:49 gmcharlt google++ # nice logo today 18:50 chris ohh 143/kmph no wonder the wind woke me up 18:50 gmcharlt ! 18:51 gmcharlt don't you tend to end up with kittens, children, and small cows platered to the walls with wind speeds like that? 18:52 chris heh suprisingly not, wellington gets winds around that speed pretty much every year 18:52 owen If you look outside and see a technicolor candy-toting midget, you know it was serious. 18:52 chris usually a fence or 2 blows over, maybe some powerlines 18:55 chris http://metservice.co.nz/public/maps/tasman-sea-nz-infrared-latest.html damn you swirly cloud thingy!! 19:03 wizzyrea that's what, 60ish mph? 19:03 gmcharlt 89 mph 19:04 wizzyrea yea, that's extreme even for us kansans 19:04 chris well its gusts, not like a tornado thing 19:04 chris we dont get continious winds at that speed, but we get gusts 19:09 owen WolframAlpha responds to 143 kmph with "88.86 mph" and "~ speed at which Marty McFly needs to drive the Delorean in order to time travel" 19:14 chris heh 19:14 chris awesom 19:15 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzNY4NH1TQg 19:26 chris that will undermine the have kohacon in wellington bid :-) 19:26 gmcharlt conference organizers will provide wind anchors? 19:27 chris we can all tether together :) 19:30 chris russel is in the south island mountain biking today ... i bet he is having fun in this weather 19:42 pianohacker atz: I noticed that you've been doing a lot of cleanup work lately. Do you have a secret agenda in mind? 19:42 atz pianohacker: i'm implementing granular permissions 19:42 atz so i'm having to touch everything anyway 19:43 atz not very secret, there should be RFC's out there (and more coming, probably) 19:44 atz so much of the reports are just blind copy/paste 19:46 wizzyrea owen: lol@marty mcfly 19:48 wizzyrea owen: the intranetuserjs thing we talked about earlier was epic win 19:51 owen Cool. Whatcha doin'? 20:09 wizzyrea trivial things really, but things that mean I don't have to maintain the template 20:21 pianohacker atz: (Sorry, have been distracted) When I finally get around to redoing ajaxcirc, this'll make my life much easier, thank you 20:21 pianohacker brb 20:21 atz np 20:22 chris hmm i hear yells of "daddy" time to go get the little one up 20:31 schuster wizzyrea - ok intranetuserjs thing - explain? 20:33 owen schuster: She was asking whether there was an intranet analogue to the OPAC's OPACUserCSS system pref 20:33 owen There isn't, but I suggested she push the boundaries of the intranetuserjs pref to accomplish the same thing 20:37 gmcharlt owen: lazyweb - in the OPAC CSS, is there a class for a "dialog warning" or the like? e.g., something more insistant than a "dialog message" div 20:37 owen gmcharlt: Yes, the same as in the staff client. "dialog alert" 20:38 gmcharlt nm - "dialog alert" is what I'm lokoing for 20:38 schuster Ok owen sorry I don't know this well enough yet to know what she would use it for so I will wait for the next conference when she presents on it! 20:38 gmcharlt owen: thanks 21:09 wizzyrea schuster: I wanted to do some styling to the receipts, but there was no place to put custom CSS 21:09 wizzyrea in the sysprefs 21:10 wizzyrea so owen suggested a way around that pref omission 21:10 wizzyrea quite ingenious, actually 21:11 schuster Ya know when someone puts their hands over their head and flaps the fingers??? waon waon woan.... Charlie Brown.. ;) have a great weekend everyone I'm outa here. 21:13 wizzyrea doh... sigh. I'm no genius. I stand on the shoulders of giants. 21:14 wizzyrea actually more like "teeter precariously" 21:17 chris heh 21:17 chris that would be an awesome badge 21:17 chris actually i may use that for my job title 21:17 chris Chris Cormack "Precarious teeterer" 21:19 wizzyrea LOL 21:20 wizzyrea it's like an AA meeting "Hi, I'm Liz Rea. I teeter precariously on the shoulders of giants." 21:20 wizzyrea all: Hi Liz 21:21 chris hehe 21:21 pianohacker "Hi, I'm Jesse Weaver. I have a masochistic urge to bang my head against the admin codebase." 21:21 wizzyrea Hi, Jesse! 21:21 chris heh 21:21 wizzyrea and we love you for it 21:22 pianohacker Ahh, but that nice van with padded walls outside looks so comfortable 21:22 wizzyrea gmcharlt: there are a few terminology suggestions I think I"m going to make on the messaging enhancement, but it's stuff I think I can fix and submit myself 21:23 wizzyrea now that you've pushed that on 21:23 gmcharlt wizzyrea: ok - note that there are a couple additional patches that you don't have yet in your testing database to fix minor issues 21:23 wizzyrea okie 21:23 gmcharlt one Safari-related, the other a concession to users who don't want to sit in contemplation of a blank page 21:24 wizzyrea !! 21:24 wizzyrea IE users? 21:24 wizzyrea kidding, kidding. 21:24 gmcharlt no, IE users just get shown a screen telling them to download FF already 21:24 chris gmcharlt: the zen koha interface :) 21:25 wizzyrea I so did that today. Had a page of html snippets that just... would... not... work... in IE 21:25 chris empty your mind like this page is empty 21:25 wizzyrea I said screw it, made it pretty much plain text 21:25 chris then you will reach catalogue enlightenment 21:25 wizzyrea Ommmmmm 21:26 wizzyrea I'm feeling better already, all the IE rage is just melting away 21:26 chris heh 21:29 pianohacker A flamethrower sounds like a more satisfying way to solve the problem, but zen probably involves less jail time 21:34 chris unless you live in tibe 21:34 chris t 21:34 pianohacker Hehe 21:34 chris ohh political humour on a saturday morning <-- bad chris 21:35 gmcharlt does it make a difference that it's still Friday evening overseas? ;) 21:36 chris oh yeah, thats alright then 21:42 brendan later all -- going out for some dinner... 21:51 wizzyrea ok, I'm giving up and going home. Thanks everybody for another great week on Koha. 23:05 pianohacker good night 00:14 ryan yay, the weekend finally makes it to western U.S. ! 01:54 brendan night all sleep well 03:08 chris hmm i must show eric screen 10:23 ron_ crickey, someone needs to fix their irc client