| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi paul_p |
| 12:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
what's the weather like in Plano? ;) |
| 12:02 |
|
paul_p |
good morning from Plano ! |
| 12:03 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: I don't know, nahuel still sleeping, and window closed & darkened (frenchism suspected) |
| 12:03 |
|
Crusoe |
Open source is a great thing! |
| 12:04 |
|
Crusoe |
in 3 hours I found the answer on my question! |
| 12:04 |
|
Crusoe |
not a simple one. |
| 12:05 |
|
kf |
hi paul |
| 12:06 |
|
kf |
will 3.2 acquisition be recorded? I would really like to see it. |
| 12:06 |
|
paul_p |
hi kf. I don't think so, but I may have missed something |
| 12:06 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: when do you arrive at Plano ? |
| 12:07 |
|
kf |
:( |
| 12:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: I land at Dallas at 21:30 |
| 12:08 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: you're at Holiday Inn ? |
| 12:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
no, a Hampton nearby |
| 12:08 |
|
paul_p |
ok. |
| 12:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
nengard is renting a car, btw |
| 12:09 |
|
paul_p |
nengard+++ |
| 12:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
the sleeper awakes |
| 12:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi nahuel |
| 12:18 |
|
nahuel |
hi :) |
| 12:18 |
|
nahuel |
well it's 7:20 am |
| 12:42 |
|
Crusoe |
Could anyone explain ISBD system variable syntax? What do '|','()','{}' mean? |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
Crusoe: the # is a line separator |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
| divides each line into fields |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
1. tag/subfield to look for |
| 12:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
2. text to insert before |
| 12:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
3. { } specifies the individual fields and subfields to display |
| 12:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
4. text to insert afterwards |
| 12:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
e.g., #650|<br/><br/><label>Subjects--Topical Terms: </label>|{\n6503 }{\n650a}{ 650b }{ 650c }{ 650d }{ 650e }{--650x}{--650z}{--650y}{--650v}| |
| 12:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
look for each 650 |
| 12:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
display "<br/><br/><label>Subjects--Topical Terms: </label>" first |
| 12:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
then 650$3, $a, $b, $c, $d, $e, and then subdivisions ($x, $y, $z) preceded by '--' |
| 12:58 |
|
Crusoe |
q1. #650 does mean 'look for each 650'? |
| 12:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 13:00 |
|
Crusoe |
q2. Is it possible to say: 'display 225$h which is possybly followed bu 225$i. repeat', something like {225$h, {225$i}} |
| 13:00 |
|
Crusoe |
? |
| 13:02 |
|
Crusoe |
The record is expected to have 225#1$aMain series title$hPart I$iTitle of the part I$hSub-part 14$iTitle of sub-part 14... |
| 13:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
yes |
| 13:09 |
|
hdl_laptop |
#225h||{225h, }{225i}| |
| 13:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
This should work. |
| 13:19 |
|
Crusoe |
cool! |
| 13:21 |
|
Crusoe |
q3. May I mix different fields, like 461 and 463 on a single line? Or how can I suppress the space between two lines? |
| 13:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
can't mix differeent fields on the sam eline |
| 13:30 |
|
paul_p |
gmcharlt: did you think about a schedule for our devweek(-end) ? |
| 13:30 |
|
chris |
i love openvpn |
| 13:31 |
|
chris |
otoh i hate this coffee |
| 13:31 |
|
chris |
morning paul_p and nahuel |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
paul_p: yes. we can talk more tomorrow, but basically what I have in mind is discussion and architectural battles [ ;) ] the first day |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
and open hackfest the second |
| 13:31 |
|
paul_p |
chris: hello neibourgh ;-) |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 13:31 |
|
paul_p |
chris: ready for breakfast ? |
| 13:31 |
|
chris |
yes indeed |
| 13:32 |
|
chris |
meet you there in 5 mins? |
| 13:32 |
|
paul_p |
nahuel is in the bathroom. |
| 13:32 |
|
paul_p |
i'll say when he is back |
| 13:32 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 13:32 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: do you get in the same time as nicole? |
| 13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
no, I get in around 21:30 tonight |
| 13:33 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 13:33 |
|
chris |
and atz? |
| 13:33 |
|
liz_nekls |
hey, I'm collecting twitter usernames for the coveritlive I'm setting up for kohacon |
| 13:33 |
|
nahuel |
hi chris ! |
| 13:33 |
|
liz_nekls |
or you can tag your tweets with #kohacon09 |
| 13:33 |
|
paul_p |
chris: he's back ;-) |
| 13:33 |
|
chris |
im the one moaning on twitter about coffee :) |
| 13:33 |
|
nahuel |
chris, had a good night ? |
| 13:33 |
|
liz_nekls |
hehe! |
| 13:34 |
|
liz_nekls |
kool kool |
| 13:34 |
|
chris |
woke up too many times nahuel, but mostly good, i think tonight will be better :) |
| 13:34 |
|
chris |
ok, shall we breakfast? |
| 13:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: you actually drank the coffeee available in your hotel room? ;) |
| 13:34 |
|
chris |
yeah big mistake |
| 13:34 |
|
chris |
i wont be doing that again |
| 13:34 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 13:35 |
|
nahuel |
chris, i think it'll be better :) |
| 13:35 |
|
nahuel |
chris, break-faaassst ! |
| 13:35 |
|
Crusoe |
thanks to everybody, now it looks clear %-) |
| 14:53 |
|
slef |
anyone got thoughts on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2976 solution? |
| 14:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: I'd check for changes to the authority record.abs |
| 14:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
I assume they're MARC21 - are they using the GRS1 filter or the DOM filter for authority records |
| 15:31 |
|
slef |
grs |
| 15:32 |
|
slef |
stock record.abs as supplied with koha |
| 16:30 |
|
ryan_ |
anybody here know isbd syntax ? |
| 16:30 |
|
ryan_ |
specifically, what's expected if there are many 505's and you have this : |
| 16:30 |
|
ryan_ |
#505|<br/><br/>|{ 505a }{ 505t }{ 505r }{ 505g }{ 505u }| |
| 16:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
ryan_: check scrollback or #koha log - was discussed this morning coincidentally |
| 16:32 |
|
ryan_ |
oh, really? |
| 16:36 |
|
ryan_ |
hmm.. so for a 505 which can have ‡a‡t‡g‡a‡t‡g‡a‡t‡g ... |
| 16:37 |
|
ryan_ |
is it possible in isbd to display them in the order found in the tag ? |
| 16:37 |
|
ryan_ |
it's displaying ‡a‡a‡a‡t‡t‡t‡g‡g‡g |
| 16:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
ryan_: I don't think it accommodates that currently |
| 16:38 |
|
ryan_ |
gmcharlt: isbd or our implementation of it ? |
| 16:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
our implementation |
| 16:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
MARC to ISBD in general would expect that subfield order would be retained, particularly for 505 fields |
| 16:39 |
|
ryan_ |
gmcharlt: ok, thx |
| 16:59 |
|
qiqo |
hi |
| 16:59 |
|
qiqo |
are there any developments with koha 3.0 for windowS? |
| 17:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
qiqo: sorry, nobody's picked it up AFAIK |
| 17:02 |
|
qiqo |
ohh... ok |
| 18:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
found any better coffee yet? |
| 18:37 |
|
chris |
not yet :) there is a starbucks in the mall, its debatable wether that is even coffee though :) |
| 18:39 |
|
chris |
nicole is coming round and we are going to all go get some lunch |
| 18:40 |
|
chris |
oh word of warning, the net at the conf center is locked down tight, no ssh, or irc, im just installing ajaxterm on my server at home now |
| 18:40 |
|
chris |
so i can get a shell on it that way :) |
| 18:42 |
|
eiro |
hello from ... Strasbourg ... fr ! |
| 18:43 |
|
eiro |
but we had NATO conference here ;) |
| 18:43 |
|
chris_in_tx |
there we go, irc via ajaxterm, screen and irssi |
| 18:44 |
|
eiro |
?! |
| 18:44 |
|
eiro |
kidding ? you access remote with a browser ? |
| 18:44 |
|
nahuel |
chris, :) |
| 18:44 |
|
chris |
yup |
| 18:44 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, you don't know ajaxterm |
| 18:44 |
|
nahuel |
? |
| 18:44 |
|
chris |
http://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/ |
| 18:45 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, i discovered the web with koha ;) |
| 18:45 |
|
eiro |
wow! cool |
| 18:45 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, ^^ |
| 18:45 |
|
nahuel |
WIC ! |
| 18:46 |
|
nahuel |
WebIsCool ! |
| 18:46 |
|
nahuel |
(and not weak) |
| 18:46 |
|
nahuel |
;p |
| 18:47 |
|
eiro |
arf ... my guess is that we don't have better to share documentations ... so WHTFTWIC (we have to find that web is cool) |
| 18:47 |
|
eiro |
but actually: it sucks :) |
| 18:48 |
|
nahuel |
depends minitel web sucks |
| 18:48 |
|
nahuel |
"internet" rocks :) |
| 18:48 |
|
nahuel |
else open source software shouldn't be developped as well as now |
| 18:49 |
|
eiro |
sure ... but ftp is sufficient for it :) |
| 18:49 |
|
eiro |
;) |
| 18:49 |
|
nahuel |
git over ftp ? |
| 18:49 |
|
nahuel |
:) |
| 18:50 |
|
nahuel |
to share your work, to communicate about your projects you need more than ftp and gopher |
| 18:50 |
|
eiro |
ok ... you got me! :-P |
| 18:50 |
|
eiro |
tell me where is the script to create authorities from biblios |
| 18:50 |
|
nahuel |
migration_tools/ |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
ftp eeewwww |
| 18:51 |
|
nahuel |
misc/ |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
sftp is ok :) |
| 18:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
git over gopher! that's the tickect! ;) |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
if you try to use ftp at my work, the sysadmins will come and hit you :) |
| 18:51 |
|
eiro |
chris, i'm kidding: it's a shame ftp still exists |
| 18:51 |
|
eiro |
scp rocks :) |
| 18:51 |
|
chris |
yes, we have clients who want to use it, such a pain |
| 18:52 |
|
eiro |
webdav ? |
| 18:52 |
|
nahuel |
ftp over ssh of cool :) |
| 18:52 |
|
nahuel |
s/of/is/ |
| 18:52 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 18:53 |
|
eiro |
gmcharlt :-)) |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
my other trick, was to change the port on my ssh server to be port 80 |
| 18:53 |
|
eiro |
that can be a great oss project: gopher-ng! |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
but ajaxterm is nicer than doing that :) |
| 18:53 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, cat over ssh does the job too :) |
| 18:54 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, why do it complicated when you can do it simple ? |
| 18:54 |
|
nahuel |
KISS concept |
| 18:55 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, simple is use scp as it's done for it ... but anyway: tell me about TX! |
| 18:55 |
|
eiro |
is it great ? |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
hmm my phone just rang, i think nicole is here |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
nahuel^^ |
| 18:55 |
|
nahuel |
chris, oik |
| 18:55 |
|
nahuel |
coming |
| 18:56 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, scp for end users ? |
| 18:56 |
|
nahuel |
and what about if you don't want to give a shell access ? |
| 18:56 |
|
chris |
yep she is in my room |
| 18:56 |
|
nahuel |
ok |
| 18:57 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, winscp for windows users, fuse for macos users, kde for linux users |
| 18:57 |
|
nahuel |
well coming in a couple of secs |
| 18:57 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, well good night :) |
| 18:57 |
|
eiro |
scponly :) |
| 18:57 |
|
nahuel |
we will talk about it later |
| 18:57 |
|
nahuel |
:) |
| 18:57 |
|
eiro |
grmbl! couard! come back here ! |
| 18:59 |
|
eiro |
oopps .. s/couard/coward/ |
| 18:59 |
|
eiro |
it's fun: u became w |
| 18:59 |
|
eiro |
bye all |
| 20:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
heading to airport - see y'all later |
| 20:38 |
|
chris |
its a mini conf in my room :) |
| 20:51 |
|
nahuel |
chris, "room", because it isn't a "normal" room size :p |
| 20:52 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 21:23 |
|
chris |
hey jo |
| 21:23 |
|
Jo |
hi Chris |
| 21:23 |
|
Jo |
just got Rosalie on twitter so she can follow live tweets |
| 21:23 |
|
Jo |
you well? good trip? |
| 21:25 |
|
eiro |
class Biblibrian is coworker does Sleep { has $.eight_hours_of_night; } |
| 21:26 |
|
eiro |
cya all! |
| 21:30 |
|
nahuel |
^^ |
| 21:30 |
|
nahuel |
oneliner :) |
| 21:30 |
|
eiro |
no: perl6 class |
| 21:31 |
|
chris |
jo: yep lots of fun so far |
| 21:31 |
|
eiro |
perl6 is the langage for next generation ILS ;) |
| 21:34 |
|
chris |
hey Rosa :) |
| 21:35 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, perl6 class as oneline style |
| 21:36 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, AFAIS: perl6 will loose a lot of perl5 tips to perform onliners. focus is on readability |
| 21:37 |
|
nahuel |
so why it's named perl ? :) |
| 21:37 |
|
nahuel |
if perl is readable, it's no more "perl" |
| 21:37 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, because it's still more powerfull than every other langage :) |
| 21:37 |
|
nahuel |
powerfull in which sens ? |
| 21:38 |
|
eiro |
perl is readable ... but you have to learn some concepts |
| 21:38 |
|
eiro |
hmm ... wait |
| 21:38 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, perl is unreadable for librarians :) |
| 21:39 |
|
eiro |
sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } |
| 21:39 |
|
nengard |
okay - you know you're a geek when you're sitting next to the people you're chatting with :) |
| 21:40 |
|
eiro |
sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} |
| 21:40 |
|
nahuel |
nengard, talking to ? |
| 21:40 |
|
Jo |
yep ... i do that to my kids on msn sometimes in the lounge :) just to make the point there are real people to talk to as well! |
| 21:40 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, i think this is not readable for nengard or laurence |
| 21:40 |
|
eiro |
that's powerfull: easy to write and maintain ... how many lines of python for that ? |
| 21:40 |
|
nahuel |
but perhaps i'm wrong |
| 21:40 |
|
nahuel |
the number of lines is not important |
| 21:41 |
|
eiro |
nengard :)) |
| 21:41 |
|
nengard |
:) |
| 21:42 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, i think that for a librarian: python and perl are both unreadable |
| 21:42 |
|
nahuel |
don't think so :) |
| 21:42 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, ready for a test ? |
| 21:42 |
|
nahuel |
gimme a function to write in python |
| 21:43 |
|
nahuel |
write it in perl like a monger, and i'll write in python |
| 21:43 |
|
nengard |
eiro i'm a librarian :) I can read them |
| 21:43 |
|
nengard |
but i'm a special type of librarian :) i was a developer first |
| 21:43 |
|
nahuel |
nengard, you understand this : sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } ? |
| 21:44 |
|
nengard |
nahuel no ..... not that :) |
| 21:45 |
|
eiro |
nengard, i mean: standard librarian |
| 21:45 |
|
eiro |
:) |
| 21:45 |
|
eiro |
ok ... standard *french* librarian ... |
| 21:45 |
|
eiro |
well ... beginner french librarian ? |
| 21:45 |
|
paul_p |
hi jo ! nice to catch you on the channel. Not that common ;-) |
| 21:46 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, that was my exemple |
| 21:46 |
|
eiro |
(sanitize_eol) |
| 21:47 |
|
eiro |
rewrite it in python :) |
| 21:47 |
|
Jo |
hi Paul: yes nice to meet you too :) .. wish I was there too |
| 21:47 |
|
eiro |
it's impossible ... just because python doesn't work with implicity |
| 21:48 |
|
eiro |
you can lambda it ? no ... no you can't :)) |
| 21:48 |
|
paul_p |
but I'm happy to be here anyway ! |
| 21:49 |
|
eiro |
nengard, because you don't deal with regexp ... i think the pb will be thhe same in pytnon |
| 21:49 |
|
eiro |
python |
| 21:49 |
|
nengard |
eiro regex does confuse the heck out of me :) always has |
| 21:50 |
|
eiro |
something like regex.compile("\\n").matches(my.line).replace_with("\n").globally.please("and the bill") |
| 21:51 |
|
eiro |
nengard, that's what i want to tell to nahuel: the pb isn't the langage itself but the techniques it uses. |
| 21:51 |
|
nengard |
eiro makes perfect sense |
| 21:52 |
|
eiro |
regex confuses librarians (and it's logical: we all have to remember the first time we seen it) |
| 21:52 |
|
eiro |
nengard, can you guess what sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} |
| 21:52 |
|
eiro |
does |
| 21:53 |
|
eiro |
sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} |
| 21:53 |
|
nengard |
eiro i would need to look up what sanitize does - but it looks like it's cleaning up something related to the user |
| 21:53 |
|
eiro |
(sanitize_eol transform the string "\n" by an end of line) |
| 21:54 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, http://pastebin.com/d74a19672 |
| 21:54 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, and you really think it's more readable :) |
| 21:54 |
|
nahuel |
nengard, ? |
| 21:54 |
|
nahuel |
nengard, http://pastebin.com/d74a19672 |
| 21:55 |
|
eiro |
nengard, the nahuel's link is the python variant for |
| 21:55 |
|
eiro |
sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } |
| 21:56 |
|
eiro |
nahuel, don't you forget /g ? |
| 21:56 |
|
nengard |
eiro nahuel I am way out of practice and you're testing me when I'm jetlagged :) |
| 21:56 |
|
nahuel |
don't think |
| 21:56 |
|
eiro |
nengard, ok .. sorry |
| 21:57 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, it's the python api :) |
| 21:57 |
|
nengard |
eiro :) it's okay |
| 21:57 |
|
nahuel |
eiro, The optional argument count is the maximum number of pattern occurrences to be replaced; count must be a non-negative integer. If omitted or zero, all occurrences will be replaced |
| 21:57 |
|
nahuel |
(from module doc) |
| 21:58 |
|
eiro |
what ? you meant that it's so terrible to write it in python they done it for ya? this langage is impressive ;) |
| 21:59 |
|
eiro |
ok ... it's midnight there ... good night all |
| 21:59 |
|
nahuel |
ni ? |
| 21:59 |
|
nahuel |
didn't understand what you mean |
| 22:10 |
|
Jo |
anyone seen / met up with Kathryn Greenhill yet? |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
she is in the hotel |
| 22:10 |
|
nahuel |
chris, oh ? |
| 22:10 |
|
nahuel |
why she don't come ? |
| 22:10 |
|
nahuel |
(in your room) |
| 22:10 |
|
chris |
she said she will be here in 10-15 mins |
| 22:10 |
|
nahuel |
cool :) |
| 22:10 |
|
Jo |
ah cool. glad she got there .. she doesn't know anyone but she's a very cool lady |
| 22:11 |
|
Jo |
glad she made contact |
| 22:11 |
|
nahuel |
into a couple of minutes we won't more oxygen |
| 22:11 |
|
nahuel |
too much people in this room |
| 22:11 |
|
chris |
i think she has already talked to some librarians in the lobby |
| 22:11 |
|
Jo |
great :) |
| 22:12 |
|
Jo |
you might need to open the door and spill into the hallway .. like a varsity hostel set up |
| 22:13 |
|
nahuel |
^ |
| 22:13 |
|
nahuel |
from where she 'is ? |
| 22:13 |
|
Jo |
Australia |
| 22:13 |
|
nahuel |
ok |
| 22:14 |
|
Jo |
blogger: librarians matter |
| 22:14 |
|
nahuel |
another one english accent to learn :p |
| 22:14 |
|
Jo |
she live blogs too |
| 22:16 |
|
Jo |
http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ibraries-non.html |
| 22:28 |
|
nahuel |
just meet another librarian in the hallway |
| 22:29 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
hehe! |
| 22:29 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
i'm probably upstairs |
| 22:29 |
|
nahuel |
it was you ? |
| 22:30 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
no, but I think we're in the same physical location ;) |
| 22:30 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
my gps coords are probably the same as yours |
| 22:31 |
|
nahuel |
probably you have the same hostname |
| 22:31 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
rar |
| 22:33 |
|
chris |
we are in 108 if you want to say hi |
| 22:35 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
cool... may just do that :D |
| 23:29 |
|
Jo |
Chris: you got an updated number of many are expected to attend kohacon? |
| 00:03 |
|
Jo |
does 115 registrations for kohacon sound right? |
| 00:37 |
|
owen |
So kohacon people, anything going on? |
| 01:45 |
|
nahuel |
hi owen |
| 01:45 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 01:46 |
|
nahuel |
ho |
| 01:46 |
|
nahuel |
you're in holiday inn ? |
| 01:46 |
|
nahuel |
(seen at your hostname |
| 01:46 |
|
nahuel |
) |
| 01:46 |
|
owen |
Yup, Rm. 311 |
| 01:46 |
|
nahuel |
paul and me are at 320 |
| 01:47 |
|
nahuel |
trying to repair our jetlag |
| 01:47 |
|
nahuel |
(in the bed ;) ) |
| 01:48 |
|
nahuel |
hehe |
| 01:48 |
|
nahuel |
we have 7 hours of jetlag |
| 01:55 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
oi, i'm glad to be in the same time zone |
| 01:57 |
|
owen |
Everyone remember to wear your Official KohaCon2009® Hat tomorrow so we recognize each other |
| 01:58 |
|
liz_nekls_ |
there are hats?! |
| 02:05 |
|
nahuel |
hats ? |
| 02:06 |
|
nahuel |
don't think |
| 02:06 |
|
nahuel |
but perhaps :p |
| 02:35 |
|
SelfishMan |
Anyone have any insight why apache would spit out the error "Can't locate C4/Auth.pm..." even though it shows the include path as being hte correct location? |
| 02:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
I'm an idiot. |
| 02:44 |
|
SelfishMan |
Add that to the bug quotes database. |
| 08:34 |
|
eiro |
hello |
