| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:27 |
|
kados |
hdl: you around? |
| 12:27 |
|
kados |
hdl: I can send you the patches I've done |
| 12:27 |
|
kados |
hdl: I've fixed simple searching, and boolean searching, truncation, field weighting, stemming and relevance |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
(and fuzzy operator handling) |
| 12:28 |
|
kados |
hdl: still to do: limits, mc-*, and repairing facets |
| 12:37 |
|
fbcit |
g'morning kados |
| 12:40 |
|
kados |
morning fb |
| 12:40 |
|
kados |
oops |
| 12:40 |
|
kados |
fbcit: |
| 12:40 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 12:42 |
|
fbcit |
kados: talked with chris last evening and it looks like he has the installer about wrapped up for now. |
| 13:09 |
|
hdl |
kados : ok. send it to me. |
| 13:12 |
|
kados |
hdl: I plan to work on the rest of the tasks this afternoon |
| 13:12 |
|
kados |
(this morning I have a meeting :/)) |
| 14:55 |
|
Brooke |
howdy |
| 14:58 |
|
owen |
Hi Brooke |
| 14:59 |
|
Brooke |
hi owen :) |
| 14:59 |
|
Brooke |
do you know when 3.0 is due out? |
| 14:59 |
|
Brooke |
folks just asked me and I was kinda like, uh soon. :) |
| 14:59 |
|
owen |
Not soon enough ;) |
| 14:59 |
|
Brooke |
exactly! |
| 14:59 |
|
owen |
A developer's release should be coming out soon, I think. |
| 14:59 |
|
Brooke |
i did the whole I'm just guessing routine, but I've seen it with my own beady eyes |
| 15:00 |
|
owen |
But I don't know about final release. |
| 15:00 |
|
Brooke |
*nod* |
| 15:00 |
|
Brooke |
do you know where they'll post the dev release? |
| 15:00 |
|
owen |
Presumably on koha.org |
| 15:00 |
|
Brooke |
*nod* |
| 15:00 |
|
owen |
paul_ or hdl around? |
| 15:01 |
|
Brooke |
paul's usually away when he _ |
| 15:01 |
|
hdl |
hdl yes |
| 15:01 |
|
owen |
Hi hdl |
| 15:01 |
|
Brooke |
bonjour henri |
| 15:01 |
|
hdl |
hi |
| 15:01 |
|
owen |
There's a check for "uppercasesurnames" in memberentrygen.tmpl, but I don't see that in system preferences |
| 15:03 |
|
hdl |
Then it should be added to systempreferences.sql in install. Maybe in updatedatabase too... depending on Joshua's opinion. |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
Why is memberentry doing this: $data{'firstname'}=ucfirst(lc $data{'firstname'}); ? |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
Wouldn't that mess up an odd first name like "DuPage" ? |
| 15:07 |
|
ryan |
the syspref could be a perlish expression for name handling: |
| 15:07 |
|
ryan |
uc(lastname) ucfirst(firstname) |
| 15:07 |
|
ryan |
or smthg |
| 15:08 |
|
ryan |
if extra parsing was worth it |
| 15:08 |
|
ryan |
but i say delete it. |
| 15:08 |
|
ryan |
javascript would be a better way maybe |
| 15:09 |
|
JYL57 |
hello koha |
| 15:10 |
|
JYL57 |
could someone explain me the use and importance of table marc_word ?! |
| 15:10 |
|
Brooke |
okay, back to trying to find a jorb. |
| 15:11 |
|
hdl |
ryan : I hate when all is done in Javascript. This means not handy sustainable code. |
| 15:12 |
|
JYL57 |
some mysql expert around ?! how long could a REPAIR TABLE normally go ?! |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
hdl: but more easily customized to the needs of a particular library |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
JYL57: Are you repairing marc_word? |
| 15:13 |
|
ryan |
hdl: I maybe agree, but i also don't like two or more sytemprefs for handling name casing |
| 15:13 |
|
hdl |
JYL57: it can be VERY LON |
| 15:13 |
|
hdl |
G |
| 15:15 |
|
hdl |
owen : if you have to modify one js each time for your customer... It will soon be a mess for you to manage devs |
| 15:15 |
|
owen |
On the other hand, it's better than hard-coding text-transformation that isn't appropriate for all customers. |
| 15:15 |
|
JYL57 |
yes, I'm trying to repair marc_word... |
| 15:15 |
|
hdl |
marc_word is used in rel 2_2 in order to index data |
| 15:16 |
|
JYL57 |
ok, I need advice hdl, would the option USE_FRM be quicker ?! |
| 15:16 |
|
hdl |
JYL57: you had better drop the table and recreate it from a script which will use your database. |
| 15:17 |
|
JYL57 |
hum, how to do that ? do you have sample code ?! |
| 15:18 |
|
hdl |
build_marcword in misc is there for that. |
| 15:19 |
|
JYL57 |
any prerequisite before using this script ?! |
| 15:19 |
|
hdl |
may need customisation. |
| 15:19 |
|
hdl |
You should first read it. |
| 15:19 |
|
hdl |
Joshua did good job on inline documentation |
| 15:21 |
|
JYL57 |
ok, thanks for advise, have to go now leaving my REPAIR working and will check it tonight... |
| 15:22 |
|
JYL57 |
have a nice day |
| 15:23 |
|
atz |
it's funny to see people jump in w/ a problem and jump out on the same screen |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl |
:) |
| 15:26 |
|
hdl |
And it is quite reassuring. Some questions are quickly answered. |
| 15:27 |
|
atz |
that's true. sometimes all you need is for somebody knowledgeable to say "that's normal." |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
hdl: it looks like we lost "Alternate Contact" from member entry somewhere along the way? |
| 15:47 |
|
hdl |
owen : I have not touched members pages for some time |
| 15:56 |
|
owen |
If IndependentBranches is turned on, a librarian should not be able to log in to anything but their home branch (as specified in their patron record)? |
| 16:00 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 16:02 |
|
owen |
So if IndependentBranches is turned on, we should hide all interface elements related to switching branches |
| 16:15 |
|
hdl |
aye you're right owen. (Unless user is superlibrarian... he should not be able to switch branches) |
| 16:16 |
|
owen |
Easy enough to do a check for AutoLocation and IndependentBranches, but how to tell if the user is a superlibrarian? |
| 16:17 |
|
owen |
Do we need to add $template->param( IS_superlibrairan => 1 ); to Auth.pm? |
| 16:18 |
|
hdl |
user flag is >0 |
| 16:19 |
|
hdl |
C4::Context->userenv->{flag} >0... After a getuserandtemplate. |
| 16:20 |
|
owen |
Sorry hdl, I don't understand |
| 16:22 |
|
hdl |
see neworderempty.pl |
| 16:23 |
|
hdl |
$onlymine is set when |
| 16:23 |
|
hdl |
IndependantBranches |
| 16:23 |
|
hdl |
And user have a branch and is not superlibrarian. |
| 16:23 |
|
hdl |
line 172 |
| 16:33 |
|
hdl |
kados : search adds implicit left truncation. This is not considered as a feature. |
| 16:35 |
|
hdl |
For us when you query Jean, unless you query Jean*, you should not get any author like jeanmaire Jeanine Jeaneune |
| 16:35 |
|
hdl |
Is this a requirement for you ? |
| 16:36 |
|
atz |
hdl: you mean on an author query, i.e. not by keyword? |
| 16:37 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 16:37 |
|
hdl |
even keyword should not have implicit truncation. |
| 16:37 |
|
hdl |
We have a simple facility to add it : * |
| 16:38 |
|
atz |
i'm not sure about that. If you have adequate relevance ranking, then it does not hurt to use implicit truncation. |
| 16:38 |
|
atz |
exact matches will be recognized and returned w/ priority |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
could easily be a syspref though eh? |
| 16:39 |
|
chris |
implicit truncation on or off |
| 16:40 |
|
atz |
and you could force it off with search by "jean"... |
| 16:40 |
|
atz |
(quoted string) |
| 16:40 |
|
chris |
then the library could chose the default behaviour it wants |
| 16:41 |
|
atz |
hdl: i know that K-12 school libraries will appreciate a more robust return set |
| 16:42 |
|
atz |
kids frequently can't correctly spell or remember all of authors' names |
| 16:42 |
|
atz |
but I can see why precision would be important in a research environment |
| 16:43 |
|
hdl |
atz, chris : we have research institutions as clients and they require that asking for an author would not bring up 10s of others. |
| 16:43 |
|
chris |
right |
| 16:44 |
|
chris |
i think a system preference is the way to go then |
| 16:44 |
|
chris |
on by default, and we can switch it off for libraries that want precision |
| 16:45 |
|
hdl |
Can't you tell me what to do to disable wider scope of results ? |
| 16:46 |
|
atz |
i haven't looked at the searching code |
| 16:46 |
|
hdl |
here is my query :au,phr: "Jean" and (mt:OUVR ) and ( homebranch:CPPM) |
| 16:47 |
|
hdl |
I got : |
| 16:47 |
|
hdl |
Jeandeau and Jean as results. |
| 16:48 |
|
chris |
i dont know how to either, but i think we should get joshua to do a patch so that its controlled by a syspref then you can just switch that off |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
hdl: should a librarian be able to choose the patron's home branch if IndependentBranches is turned on? |
| 17:03 |
|
paul |
owen : mail in your mailbox, with some more investigations about detail.tmpl |
| 17:10 |
|
owen |
paul, it must be coming by steam ship |
| 17:11 |
|
paul |
steam ship ? |
| 17:11 |
|
paul |
ah, ok |
| 17:24 |
|
hdl |
owen : when IndependantBranches is on, patrons homebranch is the same as librarians' one. |
| 17:24 |
|
hdl |
branch list is a single item list. |
| 17:25 |
|
owen |
I'm seeing the whole list |
| 17:25 |
|
hdl |
Are you superlibrarian ? |
| 17:26 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 17:29 |
|
hdl |
owen : Then it is OK. |
| 17:29 |
|
hdl |
superlibrarian has the right to choose any branch. |
| 17:29 |
|
hdl |
But not others. |
| 17:57 |
|
owen |
Logged in as a non-superlibrarian, I'm not able to search patrons |
| 18:10 |
|
ryan |
owen: you can only see patrons registered at your branch |
| 18:11 |
|
owen |
ah, of course |
| 18:14 |
|
owen |
...but since I'm not getting logged in to the correct branch, I can't even find patrons registered at my own branch :( |
| 18:16 |
|
ryan |
huh |
| 18:16 |
|
ryan |
was working for me a couple days ago |
| 18:57 |
|
martinmorris |
hi i was asking last night about getting hold of ZOOM 1.16 (i'm playing with koha 3.0) |
| 18:58 |
|
martinmorris |
had installed Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.16 (and the guy who replied confirmed that) but when i run perl Makefile.PL it still complains i haven't installed it |
| 18:59 |
|
martinmorris |
if anyone can advise i'd be grateful ta :) |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
martinmorris: for now I would edit Makefile.PL |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
and remove that check. |
| 19:01 |
|
martinmorris |
fair enough, thanks ryan |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
install the latest (1.20) zoom |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
and it should be fine. |
| 19:01 |
|
martinmorris |
will do, cheers |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
np |
| 19:06 |
|
martinmorris |
and i'm assumign it's the standard perl Makefile.PL in the kohaclone directory? |
| 19:10 |
|
ryan |
martinmorris: the installer is currently being revised... |
| 19:10 |
|
ryan |
i know chris has done some work on it and will know its state better |
| 19:10 |
|
ryan |
he should be back shortly |
| 19:10 |
|
martinmorris |
ah OK, and i take it there's no notes or anything like that at this stage? |
| 19:11 |
|
ryan |
no - we should have a developer's release out in the next couple weeks |
| 19:11 |
|
ryan |
it'll be cleaned up by then |
| 19:11 |
|
martinmorris |
so i'm not going to be able to install it that easily then? |
| 19:12 |
|
chris |
yeah it works now |
| 19:12 |
|
martinmorris |
i checked out my copy last night, do i need to check it out again? |
| 19:12 |
|
chris |
nope none of my patches have made it through yet |
| 19:13 |
|
martinmorris |
fair enough |
| 19:13 |
|
martinmorris |
perl Makefile.PL -> make -> make install? |
| 19:13 |
|
chris |
there is a patch from slef waiting for the RM to check which fixes the check for the |
| 19:13 |
|
chris |
zoom |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
what i have been working on is making it work better |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 19:14 |
|
martinmorris |
:) |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
perl Makefile.pl PREFIX=/somewhere |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
if you want |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
currently the make will try to copy things |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
what i have been doing, is making it so nothing is copied until make install |
| 19:14 |
|
chris |
ie more standard |
| 19:15 |
|
ryan |
chris: so PREFIX is working now ? |
| 19:15 |
|
chris |
and making it easier to get the right record.abs file for zebra (unimarc or marc21) |
| 19:15 |
|
chris |
prefix has worked for a while |
| 19:15 |
|
chris |
what i have done is change it to INSTALL_BASE |
| 19:16 |
|
chris |
which works the way people expect PREFIX to do :) |
| 19:16 |
|
ryan |
but it still installs modules to /usr/local/share... ? |
| 19:16 |
|
fbcit |
PREFIX/share.... |
| 19:16 |
|
chris |
in its current version it might |
| 19:17 |
|
chris |
i think its the cgi-bin its doing wrong |
| 19:17 |
|
martinmorris |
mine was trying to copy stuff to /usr/local/lib/cgi-bin/koha |
| 19:17 |
|
chris |
yeah thats the one it does wrong |
| 19:18 |
|
chris |
cgi-bin |
| 19:18 |
|
chris |
on the make |
| 19:18 |
|
martinmorris |
yep |
| 19:18 |
|
chris |
that should be fixed soon |
| 19:18 |
|
chris |
ive just sent all my patches to galen who is gonna be taking over fixing the installer |
| 19:18 |
|
martinmorris |
ok |
| 19:18 |
|
martinmorris |
will there be a z39.50 server included? |
| 19:19 |
|
chris |
yep, if you are running zebra |
| 19:19 |
|
martinmorris |
marvellous |
| 19:19 |
|
chris |
then its a z3950 server |
| 19:19 |
|
martinmorris |
OK |
| 19:19 |
|
martinmorris |
need to learn more about that |
| 19:23 |
|
martinmorris |
but in the meantime i'm not going to be able to install this easily without asking lots of questions i take it? :) |
| 19:27 |
|
chris |
lemme just check the wiki |
| 19:28 |
|
chris |
nope no good page there |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
basically you perl Makefile.PL |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
make |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
make install |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
set up your db, and a user and password |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
edit koha-httpd.conf |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
and koha-conf.xml |
| 19:29 |
|
chris |
hit the staff site in your browser (after restarting apache) |
| 19:30 |
|
chris |
and the web installer does the rest |
| 19:31 |
|
chris |
then its just setting up zebra after that |
| 19:31 |
|
fbcit |
martinmorris: take a look @ README.txt |
| 19:32 |
|
martinmorris |
what about the cgi-bin copy problems at the make install stage? |
| 19:35 |
|
fbcit |
actually, as chris mentioned, the installer does "work" in its present state. |
| 19:36 |
|
martinmorris |
including the cgi-bin bit? |
| 19:37 |
|
fbcit |
right |
| 19:37 |
|
martinmorris |
he just said it was the cgi-bin bit it was doing wrong, am I being a bit blonde? |
| 19:37 |
|
martinmorris |
:) |
| 19:38 |
|
chris |
its wrong, but it works :) |
| 19:38 |
|
fbcit |
what it is doing wrong does not equate to "doesn't work"... :-) |
| 19:38 |
|
martinmorris |
ah, got you :) |
| 19:38 |
|
fbcit |
though one might think the two are eq... |
| 19:38 |
|
martinmorris |
thanks for your patience |
| 19:39 |
|
martinmorris |
one last question, i assume i don't play with this on a machine which already runs koha 2.2 happily? |
| 19:41 |
|
chris |
i wouldnt :) |
| 19:41 |
|
martinmorris |
cheers :) |
| 19:41 |
|
chris |
but if you wanted to, you could take a copy of your 2.2 database |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
and copy it somewhere and then after doing the make install |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30 |
| 19:42 |
|
chris |
but its probably best to play with a fresh 3.0 first |
| 19:42 |
|
martinmorris |
i think so |
| 21:20 |
|
owen |
Hmmm... can't log out of the OPAC |
| 21:26 |
|
owen |
Anyone here know how anonymous suggestions work? The description says "Set to anonymous borrowernumber to enable Anonymous suggestions" |
| 21:26 |
|
owen |
What is an anonymous borrowernumber? |
| 21:28 |
|
kados |
it's the borrower that you want the anonoymous suggestions set to |
| 21:28 |
|
kados |
ie, they are still linked to an account |
| 21:29 |
|
owen |
Hi kados. So you create a dummy account or something? |
| 21:29 |
|
kados |
yea, exactly |
| 21:29 |
|
kados |
can't log out of the opac sounds like a bug |
| 21:31 |
|
owen |
I thought I saw a commit related to logouts recently, but now I can't put my finger on it |
| 21:32 |
|
owen |
Oh, there it is http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]541eb04e00d5ac45d |
| 21:35 |
|
owen |
I was pointing to opac-logout.pl instead of opac-main.pl. Silly me :) |
| 21:37 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 21:54 |
|
owen |
I log in as one user to add a purchase suggestion. When I submit the form the page reloads and I'm told there are no purchase suggestions (instead of showing me mine) |
| 21:54 |
|
owen |
When I log in to the OPAC as another user (a superlibrarian, by the way), I see my suggestions and the one I submitted as the other user |
| 21:56 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 21:56 |
|
kados |
sounds like a bug |
| 23:00 |
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| 08:08 |
|
JYL57 |
hi koha world, paul, hdl around ?! |
| 08:08 |
|
js |
hi JYL57 |
| 08:09 |
|
hdl |
hi$ |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
hi hdl |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
some patches from joshua should have come through now |
| 08:24 |
|
chris |
so hopefully the search is working better and did you see that you can turn the stemming/left truncation off in system preferences? |
| 08:25 |
|
chris |
and hi paul and jyl57 :) |
| 08:25 |
|
paul |
hello chris. |
| 08:25 |
|
hdl |
IT was not stemming. |
| 08:26 |
|
hdl |
It was an unfortunate copy/paste on ccl.properties which added 5=1 to author |
| 08:26 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 08:26 |
|
chris |
cool paul |
| 08:29 |
|
chris |
paul: you use mandriva? |
| 08:29 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 08:29 |
|
paul |
2008 |
| 08:29 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 08:29 |
|
hdl |
ccl.properties in /etc contains 5=1 for some attributes |
| 08:30 |
|
chris |
at least i know it can be done :) |
| 08:30 |
|
chris |
ahh, 5=1 is the truncation? |
| 08:31 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
paul: whats the biggest library you have running nozebra? |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
live ? |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
oh have tested |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
i have only 1 and it's 30 000 items |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
oh = or (cant type) |
| 08:36 |
|
paul |
same answer |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 08:37 |
|
paul |
but ENSMP, that is more than 100 000 items wide will move to 3.0 NZ soon |
| 08:37 |
|
paul |
as they can't install zebra (their techie guys refuses if I have understood well) |
| 08:37 |
|
chris |
i plan to do some testing with one that is 148472 items |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
so i will let you know what performance i get |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
the reindexing will be quite long I bet... |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
i'm sure it will be OK (and much faster than for 2.2) |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
but i think it will be much faster than 2.2 |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 08:38 |
|
chris |
great minds think alike :) |
| 08:39 |
|
chris |
i really like how you can define the indexes, thats really neat, you guys did a great job there |
| 08:40 |
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paul |
so we just lack a release now :-\ |
| 08:41 |
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chris |
yep i think once this installer is fixed, very close now, and search is fixed then release time |
| 08:41 |
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chris |
i sent all my patches i did on the installer to galen who is going to test and fix |
| 08:42 |
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chris |
and kados is working hard on fixing the search, so im hopeful we can release soon |
| 08:47 |
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JYL57 |
it would be a nice christmas gift ! ;-) |
| 08:51 |
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| 10:30 |
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hdl |
kados, Joshua : hi. |
| 10:31 |
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hdl |
You work on searches and it is obvious it works better. |
| 10:31 |
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hdl |
Some questions though. |
| 10:32 |
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hdl |
When searching kw, things are queried as if it was phrase. |
| 10:32 |
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hdl |
For instance, I searched particules test |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
It searched not a wordlist "particules" "test". |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
But the expression : "particules test" |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
Is this the expected behaviour ? |
| 10:33 |
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hdl |
Is there a way to search on wordlist by default ? |
| 10:34 |
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hdl |
You told me it would be so. But it seems it is not. |
| 10:34 |
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hdl |
Is there a ccl atribute or a pqf attribute I should remove ? |
| 10:37 |
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hdl |
I tried with s=pw but it would not answer the way I want |
| 10:39 |
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hdl |
looking at zebra query, @attr 4=1 appears when I didnot ask for it. |
| 10:39 |
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hdl |
And did not add it to ccl.properties |
