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| 12:41 |
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| 13:57 |
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| 14:42 |
|
owen |
Does the OPAC's subject cloud feature need special configuration? |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
owen: no, but you do need to run a script to get it working |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
I'll give you the syntax ... just a sec |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
well frankly I looked at that feature over the weekend, along with the 'hierarchy' one and they aren't really ready for 3.0 IMO |
| 14:43 |
|
kados |
unfortunately |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
Hi atz |
| 14:44 |
|
atz |
greets owen |
| 14:44 |
|
kados |
owen: perl/misc/build_browser_and_cloud.pl -f 050a -t 650 -c |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
that will get you a subject cloud composed of 650 fields |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
owen: but the browser feature doesn't work currently |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
we need to write an english DDC and/or LOC mapping between classification and 'definition' |
| 14:45 |
|
kados |
I think this feature should be disabled by default for 3.0 |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
and perhaps emerge as an official feature in 3.2 or thereafter |
| 14:46 |
|
kados |
hdl or paul around? |
| 14:46 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 14:46 |
|
hdl |
yes |
| 14:47 |
|
kados |
I think we need to talk soon about the searching api |
| 14:47 |
|
paul |
hi kados. I agree about having this feature of by default. |
| 14:47 |
|
paul |
I wanted to suggest it... as search is badly broken |
| 14:47 |
|
paul |
(i'm investigating why, and it appears that it's related to the API) |
| 14:47 |
|
kados |
because the pattern thusfar seems to be that we are overwriting each other's code and breaking features that are important |
| 14:48 |
|
paul |
atm, the search on author don't work for us. |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:48 |
|
hdl |
And in fact, search on anything but kw |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
in dev_week the search works nearly perfectly |
| 14:48 |
|
hdl |
is broken. |
| 14:49 |
|
paul |
I think it's related to index / limits variables |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
there were quite a few changes introduced, some of them I'm not sure I understand |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
especially related to the limits |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
that section has been re-written |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
one thing that I find strange |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
in addition |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
is the use of wrdl |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
ie, where I would just use kw, it seems you tend to use kw,wrdl |
| 14:51 |
|
kados |
I don't understand the justification for that |
| 14:51 |
|
kados |
also, some of the other ccl qualifiers have changed names |
| 14:51 |
|
kados |
rt has turned into rtrn |
| 14:51 |
|
kados |
same with lt |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
and the human_search_desc seems to have been completely refactored |
| 14:52 |
|
paul |
kw, drdl I can explain. I don't know for the others |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
also, I made an effort to document carefully every block in Search.pm |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
but a lot of the new stuff isn't documented in the code at all |
| 14:53 |
|
paul |
when you search "the two towers" as kw. Don't you expect to get all biblios with "two" and "towers" in the biblio ? |
| 14:53 |
|
paul |
(whereever those words are) |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
I understand what wrdl is |
| 14:54 |
|
paul |
how can you achieve that without wrdl ? |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
but I don't understand why you need to define it as user-facing search syntax |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
just map it to word list behind the scenes |
| 14:54 |
|
paul |
user facing search ??? |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
(what the user sees) |
| 14:55 |
|
paul |
the user don't see it (unless he looks at the html, of course) |
| 14:55 |
|
paul |
whay you would prefer would be to have that at zebra level ? |
| 14:55 |
|
kados |
keyword is defined as a wordlist already |
| 14:56 |
|
paul |
maybe I made wrong then. hdl, any idea ? |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
so it's unnecessary to add wrdl to the definition |
| 14:56 |
|
paul |
(or maybe my zebra config file was/is wrong, and I solved the problem an improper way) |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
same applies for au, ti, etc. |
| 14:59 |
|
hdl |
kados : in fact, changes are mostly due to the fact that some searches and links were used an unexpected way. |
| 15:00 |
|
hdl |
For instance human search desc was used for page searching. |
| 15:01 |
|
hdl |
I thought it was your way to think things. |
| 15:01 |
|
hdl |
So I had to make human searchdesc be something taht could be processed by zebra. |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 15:02 |
|
hdl |
(which to my mind was quite unclear since zebra ccl is not what I would call human readable) |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
human search shoudln't have been used for page searching |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
wait ... |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
no, not human search |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
federated search |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
that's the one that is machine readable |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
human search is human readable |
| 15:04 |
|
hdl |
About wrdl, I thought that use simple blocks was much more efficient on the long run than hiding all the wrdl in ccl.properties. |
| 15:04 |
|
hdl |
if you take au = au,wrdl |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
you cannot do a search au,phr |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
wrdl is zebra's default |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
No. |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
so you don't need to define au = au,wrdl |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
it is not. |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
At first when we typed paul Saint |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
as an author |
| 15:06 |
|
hdl |
we got no or wrong results because it searched paul and then saint |
| 15:06 |
|
hdl |
This is why I had to add wrdl. |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search |
| 15:07 |
|
paul |
(hdl is not speaking of me here, he speak of the St paul of the holy bible ;-) ) |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
hdl: take a look at the way it works in dev_week |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
we have au and au,phr |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
in ccl.properties: |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
Author 5=1 1=1003 s=pw |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
au Author |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
and then: |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
st-phrase 4=1 |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
phr st-phrase |
| 15:09 |
|
hdl |
s stands for ? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
structure |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
identical to 4 |
| 15:10 |
|
hdl |
In our ccl.properties until today, we donot have s=pw |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
yep, someone removed it I'm afraid |
| 15:11 |
|
hdl |
It is not added for all the subjects. |
| 15:11 |
|
hdl |
which should be searchable via word or phrase. |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
for subjects we should have two options: |
| 15:12 |
|
hdl |
(I found it on your /etc/ccl.properties) |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
1. with authorities, search authorities db, and show headings in results |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
2. without authorities, search biblios fields and show results in results |
| 15:13 |
|
hdl |
This would be the same as Auth link vs "Link" link |
| 15:14 |
|
hdl |
(Where Auth jumps to the authorities and display authnumber=authid) |
| 15:14 |
|
hdl |
(Link does a search on the subfield content in biblios) |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
where is that link? |
| 15:16 |
|
hdl |
link is the old feature in koha2.2 |
| 15:16 |
|
hdl |
which allow you to search biblio database for a value in a field |
| 15:17 |
|
hdl |
It use to take in a '200f','200g' list |
| 15:17 |
|
hdl |
But now, it takes an index. |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:18 |
|
hdl |
where is word list stated by default ? |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
word list is default for zebra |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
it's the 'any' definition in bib1 I think |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
nope, I'm wrong |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
Is opac/maintenance.pl used? |
| 15:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: yes, it's where OPAC user is directed if DB is in need of a databaseupdate |
| 15:33 |
|
owen |
Ah, I thought it might be something controlled by a system pref |
| 15:33 |
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kados |
owen: it is controlled by a syspref in dev_week |
| 15:33 |
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kados |
owen: which is useful if you are, for instance, re-indexing your bib data |
| 15:33 |
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kados |
it's on my list of things to port |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
In my test installation, there are many places where the call number does not appear (circulation.pl, for instance) |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
..in the list of checkouts |
| 16:21 |
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hdl |
kados : is devweek up to date for search code ? |
| 16:22 |
|
hdl |
Do you think I should investiguate And try harder and get it work on rel_3_0 ? |
| 16:40 |
|
hdl |
kados ? |
| 16:47 |
|
hdl |
kados : buildQuery seems to always return undef as first parameter. Why is it that way ? |
| 17:07 |
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paul |
owen around ? |
| 17:07 |
|
owen |
yes |
| 17:07 |
|
paul |
I've a question about detail.tmpl. |
| 17:07 |
|
paul |
is it important for you to have the title in <h1> ? |
| 17:07 |
|
owen |
Why do you ask? |
| 17:07 |
|
paul |
because for french libraries, it's something ... mmm... fool ? |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
the ? being that I'm not sure of the term |
| 17:08 |
|
owen |
I don't understand |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
but they find that : strange, annoying, non isbd standard, and many other adverb that I can't copy here ;-) |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
they want something like : |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
title [itemtype] / author |
| 17:08 |
|
paul |
in a standard size, not that large |
| 17:09 |
|
paul |
and in the yui-block, not on top. |
| 17:09 |
|
paul |
so, is it important for us libraries to have things as you did them ? |
| 17:09 |
|
owen |
Can you show me an example of another French interface that uses that kind of formatting? |
| 17:10 |
|
paul |
sudoc.abes.fr |
| 17:10 |
|
paul |
sudoc catalogue |
| 17:10 |
|
paul |
type "harry potter" in the 1st <input |
| 17:10 |
|
paul |
choose the 1st. |
| 17:10 |
|
paul |
you should see : |
| 17:11 |
|
paul |
Titre : Harry Potter et la coupe de feu [Texte imprimé] / J. K. Rowling ; trad. de l'anglais par Jean-François Ménard |
| 17:11 |
|
owen |
I can't reach http://sudoc.abes.fr/ |
| 17:11 |
|
paul |
title : Harry potter and the fire cup [printed] / JK Rowling, translated from english by JF Ménard |
| 17:11 |
|
paul |
www.sudoc.abes.fr maybe ? |
| 17:12 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 17:14 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure how to solve our difference. All the major examples I look at show it as a heading: http://worldcat.org/oclc/271160 |
| 17:14 |
|
owen |
http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0670038199 |
| 17:14 |
|
owen |
http://www.librarything.com/work/5969 |
| 17:15 |
|
paul |
http://www.librarything.com/?highload=1 :( |
| 17:18 |
|
owen |
anyway, you get the idea. To me the format in the sudoc example is less friendly |
| 17:19 |
|
hdl |
owen : but it is less useful for a research index. |
| 17:19 |
|
paul |
owen : maybe moving the title inside the yui-b & lowering the size ot the title could be more friendly. |
| 17:19 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure what you mean, hdl |
| 17:20 |
|
paul |
+ I thing the large space between the 2 columns is something that make the libraries unhappy |
| 17:21 |
|
hdl |
if you are a student or a searcher, having things presented in a way that is close to normalized ISBD is more interesting. |
| 17:21 |
|
owen |
Then shouldn't ISBD be set as the default biblio view for those institutions? |
| 17:22 |
|
hdl |
(If we had zotero interface, this argument would not be so interesting. But at the moment, since we have many institutions ...) |
| 17:51 |
|
paul |
owen: in the bibloitems table, there is a "place" table. |
| 17:51 |
|
paul |
is it for the "place of publication" or is there another meaning for this "place"? |
| 17:52 |
|
owen |
place of publication. |
| 17:52 |
|
paul |
(this "place" is not in detail.tmpl, and could be added) |
| 17:52 |
|
owen |
Ah, you're right. |
| 18:13 |
|
owen |
paul: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhm2vzk_3fpwjqc |
| 18:14 |
|
owen |
kados: that also shows the view tabs I worked on the other day (still not committed) |
| 18:19 |
|
hdl |
owen : when there is many notes, things are quite unbalanced. |
| 18:20 |
|
owen |
the alternative is to stick with the single-column layout of 2.x |
| 19:29 |
|
owen |
Should the ISBD view be considered a replacement for the "normal" view? Will ISBD fans want to see the normal view too? |
| 19:33 |
|
owen |
ISBD doesn't show holdings, of course... |
| 20:25 |
|
owen |
ryan: kados and I have been trying to draw a distinction between "views" and "actions" in the UI, with actions in a toolbar and views in a sidebar menu |
| 20:26 |
|
owen |
That's our justification for moving the views out of the toolbar |
| 20:33 |
|
fbcit |
g'afternoon koha |
| 20:39 |
|
hdl |
owen: about your question for ISBD. The fact is that information from one view to another is not the same. |
| 20:41 |
|
hdl |
For instance ISBD can provide ppl with higly personnalized URLs, so that you can have links on MANY information and display only selected and required information |
| 20:41 |
|
owen |
hdl: Sure, but if a library wants the ISBD view, wouldn't they want it to contain all the information the "normal" view includes? why would they want to switch between the two? |
| 20:41 |
|
hdl |
Normal viw has availability statuses. |
| 20:41 |
|
hdl |
Normal view has availability statuses, which MARC and ISBD has not. |
| 20:42 |
|
hdl |
MARC is quite convenient when cataloguing is concerned. |
| 20:42 |
|
owen |
But that could be easily fixed, if it were preferable to have ISBD as the primary view instead of normal. |
| 20:46 |
|
hdl |
then librarians would be able to have a very flexible and customizable display system. |
| 20:47 |
|
hdl |
Because Normal view will always be a problem. Some will want it amazon way, others abes way, others star trek way. |
| 20:48 |
|
martinmorris |
hello, can someone point me to instructions on how to checkout the version 3.0 beta |
| 20:56 |
|
kados |
martinmorris: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
| 20:57 |
|
kados |
hdl: I've committed the xslt example I think |
| 20:57 |
|
kados |
hdl: if you look at the actual stylesheet it's really simple |
| 20:57 |
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kados |
hdl: could take you about 20 minutes to do a unimarc one I bet |
| 20:58 |
|
martinmorris |
ah marvellous, thanks kados |
| 20:58 |
|
fbcit |
kados: you were looking me earlier? |
| 20:58 |
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kados |
fbcit: ahh, yea, just wanted to let you know I had chris working on the installer a bit over the weekend |
| 20:59 |
|
fbcit |
great! what's new? I sent up a couple of patches to change the zebradb dir structure to make more sense... |
| 20:59 |
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kados |
there are a few patches ... but I think we need to take a few of the issues to koha-devel |
| 20:59 |
|
fbcit |
k |
| 20:59 |
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kados |
ahh, cool, well chris can see how they fit in with what he did too |
| 20:59 |
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kados |
where to put things seems to be the trickiest part :-) |
| 20:59 |
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kados |
there don't seem to be any conventions unfortunately |
| 21:00 |
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kados |
for a full blown web app anyway |
| 21:00 |
|
fbcit |
I simply broke out into markflavour to be consistent... |
| 21:00 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 21:00 |
|
fbcit |
with existing structures in koha... |
| 21:00 |
|
kados |
chris did much the same with marcflavour and language IIRC |
| 21:00 |
|
fbcit |
I was working on adding lang selection to makefile.... |
| 21:01 |
|
kados |
chris did that bit already |
| 21:01 |
|
fbcit |
it appears that rfc has changed |
| 21:01 |
|
kados |
rfc? |
| 21:01 |
|
kados |
you mean rfc4646? |
| 21:02 |
|
fbcit |
that's the one... gmcharlt mentioned 3066, but I "discovered" 4646 Friday... |
| 21:02 |
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kados |
yea, 3066 is obsoleted |
| 21:02 |
|
kados |
by 4646 |
| 21:02 |
|
fbcit |
so what's left? |
| 21:02 |
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kados |
I've actually already written code to handle that |
| 21:02 |
|
kados |
parsing the language code strings that is |
| 21:02 |
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hdl |
kados : will you answer my questions on buildQuery ? |
| 21:02 |
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kados |
hdl: which questions? |
| 21:02 |
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kados |
fbcit: yea, it's a nightmare of a regex, lemme tell ya :-) |
| 21:03 |
|
hdl |
<hdl> kados : is devweek up to date for search code ? |
| 21:03 |
|
hdl |
[17:30:52] <hdl> Do you think I should investiguate And try harder and get it work on rel_3_0 ? |
| 21:03 |
|
hdl |
[17:48:26] atz [~chatzillacpe-71-74-91-27.insight.res.rr.com] a quitté IRC : Quit: viva la koha |
| 21:03 |
|
hdl |
[17:49:09] <hdl> kados ? |
| 21:03 |
|
hdl |
[17:56:09] <hdl> kados : buildQuery seems to always return undef as first parameter. Why is it that way ? |
| 21:03 |
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kados |
hdl: I'm working on Search.pm today, I hope to be finished by this evening |
| 21:04 |
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kados |
hdl: unfortunately, though dev_week works quite well, so much has been changed in 3.0 I'm going to have to re-factor what we have |
| 21:04 |
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hdl |
oh. ok. |
| 21:05 |
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kados |
I should have something for you to test by morning |
| 21:05 |
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hdl |
ok. send it to me. |
| 21:05 |
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fbcit |
kados: so what direction should I proceed? ...talk with chris? |
| 21:07 |
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kados |
fbcit: yea, I'd say talk with chris |
| 21:09 |
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kados |
chris: you around? |
| 21:09 |
|
fbcit |
chris? |
| 21:09 |
|
fbcit |
heh |
| 21:09 |
|
fbcit |
what do they say? Great minds get stuck in the same rut? |
| 21:09 |
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kados |
hehe |
| 21:10 |
|
fbcit |
isn't chris in NZland? |
| 21:10 |
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kados |
yup |
| 21:13 |
|
fbcit |
brb |
| 21:26 |
|
ryan |
cgi-bin/koha/reserve/renewscript.pl |
| 21:26 |
|
ryan |
anyone ? |
| 21:28 |
|
ryan |
<!--TMPL_IF NAME="issuecount"--> |
| 21:28 |
|
ryan |
<form action="/cgi-bin/koha/reserve/renewscript.pl" method="post"> |
| 21:32 |
|
ryan |
hmm.... temporary blindness. nm |
| 21:32 |
|
masonj_ |
:) |
| 21:44 |
|
laura |
good day |
| 21:44 |
|
laura |
can any one advise if this koha open source offers SIP or NCIP? |
| 21:51 |
|
atz |
SIP |
| 21:51 |
|
atz |
NCIP is in development, afaict |
| 21:51 |
|
laura |
very exciting! |
| 21:52 |
|
laura |
we are a vendor who uses SIP for our library customers and our library customers have asked us to support this |
| 21:52 |
|
laura |
thank you for your answer |
| 21:52 |
|
atz |
ryan or kados would be able to speak more authoritatively |
| 21:54 |
|
laura |
Ok I will stay on for them to confirm |
| 21:54 |
|
laura |
thank you |
| 21:54 |
|
ryan |
laura: feel free to contact me for details: ryan.higginsliblime.com |
| 21:54 |
|
ryan |
yes, the upcoming release support SIP2 |
| 21:56 |
|
laura |
thanks I will email you. we have several customers that have asked if they can use your service with our service I will email you the details |
| 21:56 |
|
ryan |
great, i'll look for your email |
| 22:02 |
|
fbcit |
chris: ping |
| 22:03 |
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masonj_ |
fbcit , chris is out, back in about 1.5 - 2 hours |
| 22:08 |
|
martinmorris |
can someone remind me where i get zoom 1.16 from? |
| 22:12 |
|
ryan |
http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.16/ |
| 22:13 |
|
ryan |
martinmorris: do you have problems with 1.20 ? |
| 22:18 |
|
masonj |
. |
| 23:56 |
|
fbcit-1 |
hi chris |
| 02:18 |
|
fbcit-1 |
hi chris |
| 02:19 |
|
fbcit-1 |
-;-) |
| 02:22 |
|
chris |
you were after me before? |
| 02:24 |
|
fbcit-1 |
chris: kados said you worked on the installer this weekend. |
| 02:24 |
|
fbcit-1 |
I was wondering where things stand and what direction I need to go... |
| 02:27 |
|
chris |
right |
| 02:28 |
|
chris |
currently what i have done is get it so it sets up the right zebra files so if you choose unimarc it copies the right file to be record.abs |
| 02:29 |
|
fbcit-1 |
I assume that is based on the value of MARCFLAVOUR? |
| 02:29 |
|
chris |
this is the Makefile.PL |
| 02:29 |
|
fbcit-1 |
right |
| 02:30 |
|
chris |
so yeah it can be an ENV or it can prompt when you run perl Makefile.PL |
| 02:30 |
|
fbcit-1 |
I was referring to an env var. |
| 02:30 |
|
chris |
it'll prompt if there isnt an env var set |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
same with language (for zebra only en or fr at this stage) |
| 02:31 |
|
fbcit-1 |
how about the language selection? |
| 02:31 |
|
fbcit-1 |
so the installer is done? |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
and it will copy the right sort-string.chr |
| 02:31 |
|
chris |
not quite ive been moving the opac scripts out of hte same dir as the staff side on install |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
and im not sure the templates should end up under lib/perl5/koha/templates |
| 02:33 |
|
chris |
thats about it |
| 02:34 |
|
fbcit-1 |
sounds good. |
| 02:40 |
|
fbcit-1 |
tnx chris. |
| 08:07 |
|
hdl |
chris ? |
| 08:07 |
|
chris |
hi hdl |
| 08:07 |
|
hdl |
hi how are you ? |
| 08:08 |
|
chris |
good thanks, kahurangi turned 1 year old today |
| 08:08 |
|
chris |
so he has gone to bed with his new teddy bear :) |
| 08:08 |
|
hdl |
happy birthday kahurangi |
| 08:08 |
|
masonj |
heya hdl |
| 08:09 |
|
hdl |
I was wondering whether joshua could fix search problems. |
| 08:09 |
|
hdl |
hi masonj |
| 08:09 |
|
chris |
ahh i havent seen a patch yet, i think he is still working on them |
| 08:13 |
|
chris |
i have 34 patches that i have checked and sent through |
| 08:14 |
|
chris |
that are waiting for joshua to check |
| 08:14 |
|
chris |
but lots of them are from paul |
| 08:15 |
|
chris |
i expect ill have some from joshua waiting when i wake up |
| 08:15 |
|
chris |
he is concentrating on fixing search |
| 08:16 |
|
hdl |
In fact, I would have liked to test what joshua did in order to improve for us or adapt our defaults configuration files. |
| 08:16 |
|
chris |
right |
| 08:17 |
|
chris |
if i see him, ill ask him to cc you on any patches he sends |
| 08:18 |
|
hdl |
hopefully, i will catch him before you. |
| 08:18 |
|
chris |
yep, 3.20am for him so he will be awake before me :) |
| 08:24 |
|
hdl |
:D |
