IRC log for #koha, 2006-11-16

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12:41 kados paul: you around?
12:42 paul yes.
12:42 paul hello kados.
12:42 kados hi :-)
12:42 toins hi kados
12:42 kados I continue to get requests about the z39.50 client
12:42 kados (one on koha-lobby just now)
12:42 kados chris mentioned installer probs? do you know about those?
12:42 Anarka yes please :)'
12:43 kados hehe, hi Anarka :-)
12:43 paul hdl founded a new bug, on authorities when char encoding=utf8 & marcflavour=Unimarc.
12:43 paul it's fixed, if I don't mind.
12:43 kados cool
12:44 paul I don't remember seing anything about installer (except package dep missing, and already updated on cvs)
12:44 kados maybe thats all chris meant
12:44 kados ok ... great!
12:44 paul this morning I was at SANOP showing Koha to the 100 users !
12:45 paul they were very enthusiastic...
12:45 kados great!
12:45 kados paul: do you have special templates? or do you use prog?
12:45 paul prog + css
12:45 kados cool
12:45 kados rch and I have been playing ith rel_3_0 (mostly rch)
12:45 paul prog templates are very "useables"
12:46 rch hi paul
12:46 kados do you have an example with nice css?
12:46 Lea hi all
12:46 paul rch : Ryan ?? Higgins
12:46 kados paul: yes :-)
12:46 rch yes
12:46 toins hi rch
12:46 paul C = ??
12:46 rch middle name - Corrado
12:46 paul http://i18.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]/koha/ login test/test
12:47 paul with french 1st translation.
12:47 kados cool
12:47 kados opac?
12:47 dewey hmmm... opac is 2.2.5
12:47 paul you can see there is a problem with shortcuts.
12:47 paul o18...
12:47 kados where is the problem?>
12:47 paul i've 20 vhost : iXX and oXX, i for librarians & o for opac
12:47 kados ok
12:47 paul look at iss*u*es.
12:47 paul it's prêt*u*es
12:48 paul but in french, it should just be prêts !
12:48 rch toins: hi!
12:48 kados ahh
12:48 paul SRecherche is wrong too, should be Recherche.
12:48 kados rch: http://o18.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]koha/
12:48 paul I think i'll have to work on tmpl_process to find shortcuts & deal with them correctly
12:48 kados paul: so it's a problem with the translation script?
12:48 paul (without the CSS)
12:48 kados paul: or maybe just the font?
12:49 paul yes & no...
12:49 kados (I have seen cases where the font corrupted the character)
12:49 kados (changing the font fixed it)
12:50 Lea does anyone know how bulkmarcimport recognises multiple copies of the same biblio? It should be by ISBN no?
12:50 kados Lea: it doesn't ...
12:50 Lea oh no...
12:50 kados Lea: that function is built into the cataloging interface, but not bulkmarcimport
12:50 rch paul: I am having some issues with customizablility in prog opac tmpl...
12:50 kados Lea: you could take a look at the find duplicate stuff in
12:50 Lea is it easy to normalise the data afterwards?
12:51 kados Lea: probably easier to do it pre-migration
12:51 rch paul: I'd like to add many more divs, and pull some elements outside of others
12:51 Lea kados: what do you suggest? Working out the number of copies and adding some sort of marc tag?
12:51 kados Lea: chris from katipo has done some of that in the past ... might be worth pinging him when he's on in a few hours
12:51 paul rch : a sample of what you would like to do ?
12:52 rch paul: e.g. the auth form is inside a search div,
12:52 Lea ok, thanks
12:52 rch paul: the opac nav is  a list element inside the hardcoded nav
12:52 rch which are both inside the masthead.
12:53 Lea kados: I rewrote my mapper class yesterday and reduced my "cleaned" MARC data by 30%"
12:53 rch paul: generally, I'd like to add a named dif around every functional element so it can be more easily css'ed
12:54 rch (div, even)
12:54 paul rch : a named div around every functionnal element => im' 100% OK for this, as it's what was planned.
12:54 paul "we" make a heavy use of <fieldset> instead of <div> but i'm not sure it's a good thing.
12:55 rch yes, I think css is cleaner with divs.
12:56 paul fieldsets are useful, but i think they should not replace <div> & sometimes are useless
12:57 rch paul: I have some other questions about where you are with rel_3_0
12:58 rch We have a client who wishes itemtypes at items level.
12:58 rch i.e. not just special issuing rule per item
12:58 paul hehe... kados spoke of this previously...
12:59 paul is it "wishes" or "want" ?
12:59 rch ummm..  needs, I guess :)
12:59 kados paul: it's a requirement, unfortunately
13:00 kados paul: I also discovered that NPL used to have this functiaonlity too
13:00 kados paul: but they lost i when upgrading to Koha
13:00 rch So simplest would be to add items.itype, and allow that field to override biblioitems.itemtype if exists ?
13:00 paul we have 2 ways to do such thing :
13:01 paul - move itemtype to items level, for everybody. Probably easier to code, but harder to migrate existing libraries & too bad for libraries happy with itemtype at bilbio level
13:01 paul - add a items.itemtype field, with default value being biblioitems.itemtype, and activated (& modified) by the library where needed. harder to code, but better for other libraries.
13:02 paul what's the timeline for you ?
13:02 rch tomorrow :)
13:02 paul i was afraid it could be yesterday...
13:02 paul lol
13:02 kados it was, but we moved it to tomorrow ;-)
13:03 rch :)
13:03 paul without kidding, do you need this really ASAP, or can it wait for, say, februrary ?
13:03 paul (/me thikn he know the answer)
13:03 kados definitely not feb
13:03 kados maybe a week or so at the most
13:03 paul wow...
13:04 paul I prefer a week to a month, i'll explain why :
13:04 kados esp if we use the second way
13:04 paul SANOP will start on jan, 3rd with rel_3_0, so such a DB modif has to be checked a lot.
13:04 kados (we can just add some small code rather than re-write existing stuff)
13:05 kados paul: it's only one column added to the items table ... it's harmless
13:05 paul and if you code it for next week, we will have enough time to debug it.
13:05 paul kados, let me give you an example :
13:05 paul the SANOP server went fine until yesterday 4PM.
13:05 paul btoumi wanted to do something harmless on the system for koha : installing webmin.
13:05 paul he updated, and ...
13:06 kados hehe
13:06 paul ... apache could not restart anymore for some dependancy problem.
13:06 kados right
13:06 paul 12 hours before a major demo.
13:06 kados (one of our clients did something similar a few monts back :-))
13:06 paul so, ok for such modifs in a week (= 6 weeks to check it for SANOP)
13:06 kados paul: we have already made the modif
13:06 paul but definetly nok for such modifs in december, 10th !!!
13:06 kados paul: to the table
13:07 rch paul: 10 dec?
13:07 kados paul: (right ... I understand)
13:07 kados SAN goes live in Jan right?
13:07 paul yep.
13:07 paul jan 3rd
13:08 kados paul: so we want to add this new table def to CVS ... what's the best approach?
13:08 kados add to koha.sql? updatedatabase?
13:08 paul new table ? or new column ?
13:08 paul updatedatabase, definetly
13:08 kados just a new column
13:08 rch just column in items.
13:09 paul koha.sql being created from a dump of a working 3.0 install (when it will be stabilised)
13:09 kados ok
13:10 kados paul: we'll commit this immediately
13:11 paul cool... i'll investigate what it means & point the commit to sanop
13:20 rch paul: updatedabase: just add to %fielddefinitions ?
13:20 paul yep, iirc
13:36 rch paul: is marc_biblio still used for anything?
13:36 paul nope
13:37 rch shall we remove from tabledefitinit?
13:37 rch table definition, even
13:38 Anarka i'm not happy with the install of koha... the IT guy loves windows but doesn't want to install using the package, and doesnt want to use apache, so basically it's just copy paste of files after an error in hope it will work
13:38 Anarka i just want to scream :P
13:38 paul rch : yep.
13:39 paul & marc_subfield_table & marc_word as well.
13:39 paul and auth_subfield_table & auth_word too...
13:39 paul Arnaka : good luck.
13:40 paul Anarka: good luck
13:40 Anarka it would be better if it failed miserably but... it is starting to work
13:40 kados paul: what's the best way to remove those fields ?
13:41 kados paul: from updatedatabase?
13:41 kados paul: (they might be needed for migration, eh?)
13:41 paul yes. that's why I did not add them to updatedatabase. I don't know what's the best way to do this. it's probably manually for 2.2 libraries
13:42 paul and remove the tables from koha.sql & updatedatabase for new libraries.
13:42 kados hehe
13:42 kados fun :-)
13:43 paul they are in french, so I won't transmit it to you...
13:43 kados paul: good news for rel_3_0 ... rch and I have decided to start working on it
13:43 paul great !!!
13:43 toins kados, great !
13:43 paul really
13:43 kados paul: all future zebra clients will be in rel_3_0
13:43 kados so dev_week is now deprecated :-)
13:44 paul don't you have any clients to setup in the next days/weeks ?
13:44 kados of course ... :-)
13:44 kados so it will be a busy few weeks :-)
13:44 kados (but they don't go live until Jan )
13:44 paul kados = supercoder & rch = spidercoder ...
13:44 kados ( so some bugs are OK )
13:45 paul ok, I prefer this (for you)
13:45 kados but we feel it's better to have all of us on the same codebase
13:45 paul were you interested by a translated list of all improvements toins is working on?
13:45 paul s/were/are/
13:46 kados sure, if it's not too much trouble to translate
13:46 paul 37 lines
13:46 kados (maybe just run it through google translate ... probably close enough to understand)
13:46 kados btw: rch has committed updatedatabase change
13:46 toins i'm happy that synching is now finished...
13:46 kados toins: :-)
13:47 paul toins will translate in english the list & send it to you.
13:47 toins roger....
13:47 kados woot
13:48 paul just to explain : there is a "priority" list : Haut=High Moyen=Medium Bas=Low
13:48 paul same for "difficulty" column.
13:48 paul the "status" contains "Fait"=done when it's done.
13:48 kados k
13:48 paul a column also contains who do what (HDL/PP/AF)
13:48 kados can we add them to bugzilla?
13:48 paul he will let the french column description & add an english one.
13:49 kados maybe easier to track that way?
13:49 paul would be interesting to add them 1 by 1, but would be quite long to enter.
13:49 kados paul: don't you have a small child for such things? ;-)
13:49 paul nope
13:50 paul (my wife being crying highly at one of my child atm...)
13:50 kados hehe
13:50 paul (I think its because the 2nd one stayed at one of his friends/neighbour without permission)
13:57 rch hey can anyone briefly explain the notifys table and "FU" ?
13:59 kados hdl: maybe?
13:59 dewey maybe is listed as HEAD in my CVS Entry file.
13:59 kados dewey: forget maybe
13:59 dewey kados: I forgot maybe
14:00 toins dewey, toins ?
14:00 dewey you are trying to commit on with svn since this morning.
14:00 toins hehe
14:05 kados toins: do you know the answer to rch's question?
14:06 paul kados : I bet it's a sanop addition.
14:06 paul you should ask btoumi I think
14:06 kados ok
14:06 toins i don'tknow kados
14:06 paul they have developped a feature to notify overdues, on a 3level basis.
14:07 paul you can notify by e-mail, snailmail (with some OOo document), or forget the notify iirc
20:30 thd kados: are you there?
23:07 iceninesyd hello
23:07 chris hi
23:07 dewey privet, chris
23:07 iceninesyd i am testing irc with irma
23:08 iceninesyd is that chris cormack ?!??!?!
23:08 chris cool, looks like its all working
23:08 iceninesyd the famous cc ?
23:08 chris heh yep
23:08 iceninesyd irma jus sent you an email
23:08 iceninesyd r u in NZ?
23:08 chris cool, ill be waiting for it
23:08 chris yep
23:08 iceninesyd i loike koha so far
23:08 iceninesyd although i know little of it!
23:08 iceninesyd we'll be installing on a madriva system
23:09 iceninesyd NE idea if that causes troubles?
23:09 chris nope it should be fine
23:09 iceninesyd good
23:09 chris paul poulain, uses mandriva
23:09 iceninesyd excellent!
23:09 chris and he is the 2.2.x release manager
23:09 iceninesyd we'll try for 2.2.6
23:09 chris cool
23:09 iceninesyd tell me, is 2.2.5 a beta? (a la linux numbering)
23:10 chris the middle number is the one to watch
23:10 iceninesyd i.e. odds are beta evens are release
23:10 iceninesyd ah!
23:10 chris 2.2.whatever = release
23:10 chris 2.3.x unstable
23:10 iceninesyd good good
23:10 chris etc
23:10 iceninesyd now to figure out how to get the wireless working on the mandriva laptop!
23:10 iceninesyd not that I epect you guys to answer that one :)
23:10 chris :)
23:11 iceninesyd erd question
23:11 iceninesyd is there a digram of the E-R for koha?
23:11 chris not a recent one
23:11 iceninesyd ah ah
23:11 chris and
23:11 chris are the places to look
23:11 iceninesyd will have a squizz
23:11 iceninesyd 10Q
23:12 iceninesyd (my wierd abbrev for thankyou)
23:13 iceninesyd just got back from 3 months on the road (iceland, irelkand, germany) and irma snapped me up
23:13 iceninesyd nice to be into cyber space again
23:13 chris :-)
23:13 iceninesyd 3 months in wetspace is a bit much
23:13 iceninesyd methinks there will be a long learning curve in actually understanding all the ins and outs of koha
23:14 iceninesyd well, the techie side will be easy but the librarian side is all new to me
23:14 iceninesyd cc: do you have a library background?
23:14 chris nope
23:14 iceninesyd techy?
23:14 chris i suggest you read the newbie guide on
23:14 chris yeah, compsci degree
23:15 iceninesyd will read the guide
23:15 chris that gives a good intro to using koha
23:15 iceninesyd i don't think I'll have any trouble with the LAMP side of things
23:15 iceninesyd (i've been FOSSing for years)
23:15 chris excellent
23:15 iceninesyd but once we get into data import then the fun begins
23:15 chris yep
23:15 iceninesyd any plans to port this thing to java ?
23:15 iceninesyd hahahahahahahah!
23:16 iceninesyd serously ... perhaps other languages like python?
23:16 iceninesyd (java sux imho)
23:16 chris nope
23:16 iceninesyd i havebn't loolked a the perl code yet
23:16 iceninesyd is it very O-O written? or a more procedural apporach?
23:16 chris a bit of both
23:17 iceninesyd BTW: perl6 is on the horizon ... maybe some porting will be in the offing?
23:17 iceninesyd i am of course here to help irm with her current client
23:17 iceninesyd but also, if there are any technical areas of KOHA that need work (maybe some DB analysis for example)
23:17 iceninesyd i'd love to know
23:17 iceninesyd more than willing to pitch in and offer a hand, since I have the time and inclination these days
23:17 iceninesyd (I want to kickstart my brain again!)
23:17 chris you might want to look into the upcoming 3.0 release
23:18 chris and the work with zebra
23:18 iceninesyd zebra?
23:18 dewey somebody said zebra was #1 for me
23:18 chris yep
23:21 iceninesyd is release 3.0 occupying a lot of your time?
23:21 iceninesyd also: is 3.0 next? ... perhaps I should snoop around and read up on it :)
23:21 chris not mine, but a lot of the french developers time
23:22 chris id have a read of the developers list mailing archive
23:22 iceninesyd ah yes, KohaRoadMap 3.0 ... i'll shutup now!
23:22 iceninesyd okay .. i'm on the user's mailing list
23:22 iceninesyd perhpas I'll lurk on developers for awhile
23:22 chris good idea
23:22 iceninesyd it looks like 1.2, then 2.2 and now 3.0
23:23 chris 1.0 ->1.1 -> 1.2  1.2->1.3->2.0 (quite a lot of changes) 2.0->2.1->2.2
23:23 iceninesyd i presume the dev list is the place to offer to work on some of the outsnading issues lissted in the roadmap
23:23 chris yep
23:24 chris to find out what is still left too
23:24 iceninesyd and 2.2 -> 3.0 implies a major bunch of changes
23:24 chris yeah, most namely zebra
23:24 iceninesyd the 'contextual' db ... which is new to me
05:20 js hello
05:20 dewey what's up, js
10:41 owen kados, rch, you guys awake?
10:42 paul hello owen.
10:42 owen Hi paul
10:42 paul frenchies are, at least ;-)
10:47 paul owen : if you want to do some searches, (test/test) is running, with a partial SANOP setup
10:47 paul (searching potter is fine)
10:52 owen paul, that login/password doesn't work for me
10:55 paul lol
10:57 Lea evening
10:57 Lea er...afternoon even...
10:58 rch Lea: morning!
10:59 Lea feels like it! :)
10:59 Lea guys, I'm getting great feedback from my boss about Koha :)
10:59 Lea although he thinks the default html/css is ..err.... "unique" ;)

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