| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:41 |
|
kados |
paul: you around? |
| 12:42 |
|
paul |
yes. |
| 12:42 |
|
paul |
hello kados. |
| 12:42 |
|
kados |
hi :-) |
| 12:42 |
|
toins |
hi kados |
| 12:42 |
|
kados |
I continue to get requests about the z39.50 client |
| 12:42 |
|
kados |
(one on koha-lobby just now) |
| 12:42 |
|
kados |
chris mentioned installer probs? do you know about those? |
| 12:42 |
|
Anarka |
yes please :)' |
| 12:43 |
|
kados |
hehe, hi Anarka :-) |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
hdl founded a new bug, on authorities when char encoding=utf8 & marcflavour=Unimarc. |
| 12:43 |
|
paul |
it's fixed, if I don't mind. |
| 12:43 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 12:44 |
|
paul |
I don't remember seing anything about installer (except package dep missing, and already updated on cvs) |
| 12:44 |
|
kados |
maybe thats all chris meant |
| 12:44 |
|
kados |
ok ... great! |
| 12:44 |
|
paul |
this morning I was at SANOP showing Koha to the 100 users ! |
| 12:45 |
|
paul |
they were very enthusiastic... |
| 12:45 |
|
kados |
great! |
| 12:45 |
|
kados |
paul: do you have special templates? or do you use prog? |
| 12:45 |
|
paul |
prog + css |
| 12:45 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 12:45 |
|
kados |
rch and I have been playing ith rel_3_0 (mostly rch) |
| 12:45 |
|
paul |
prog templates are very "useables" |
| 12:46 |
|
rch |
hi paul |
| 12:46 |
|
kados |
do you have an example with nice css? |
| 12:46 |
|
Lea |
hi all |
| 12:46 |
|
paul |
rch : Ryan ?? Higgins |
| 12:46 |
|
kados |
paul: yes :-) |
| 12:46 |
|
rch |
yes |
| 12:46 |
|
toins |
hi rch |
| 12:46 |
|
paul |
C = ?? |
| 12:46 |
|
rch |
middle name - Corrado |
| 12:46 |
|
paul |
http://i18.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]/koha/mainpage.pl login test/test |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
with french 1st translation. |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
opac? |
| 12:47 |
|
dewey |
hmmm... opac is 2.2.5 |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
you can see there is a problem with shortcuts. |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
o18... |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
where is the problem?> |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
i've 20 vhost : iXX and oXX, i for librarians & o for opac |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
look at iss*u*es. |
| 12:47 |
|
paul |
it's prêt*u*es |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
but in french, it should just be prêts ! |
| 12:48 |
|
rch |
toins: hi! |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
SRecherche is wrong too, should be Recherche. |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
rch: http://o18.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
I think i'll have to work on tmpl_process to find shortcuts & deal with them correctly |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
paul: so it's a problem with the translation script? |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
(without the CSS) |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
paul: or maybe just the font? |
| 12:49 |
|
paul |
yes & no... |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
(I have seen cases where the font corrupted the character) |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
(changing the font fixed it) |
| 12:50 |
|
Lea |
does anyone know how bulkmarcimport recognises multiple copies of the same biblio? It should be by ISBN no? |
| 12:50 |
|
kados |
Lea: it doesn't ... |
| 12:50 |
|
Lea |
oh no... |
| 12:50 |
|
kados |
Lea: that function is built into the cataloging interface, but not bulkmarcimport |
| 12:50 |
|
rch |
paul: I am having some issues with customizablility in prog opac tmpl... |
| 12:50 |
|
kados |
Lea: you could take a look at the find duplicate stuff in Biblio.pm |
| 12:50 |
|
Lea |
is it easy to normalise the data afterwards? |
| 12:51 |
|
kados |
Lea: probably easier to do it pre-migration |
| 12:51 |
|
rch |
paul: I'd like to add many more divs, and pull some elements outside of others |
| 12:51 |
|
Lea |
kados: what do you suggest? Working out the number of copies and adding some sort of marc tag? |
| 12:51 |
|
kados |
Lea: chris from katipo has done some of that in the past ... might be worth pinging him when he's on in a few hours |
| 12:51 |
|
paul |
rch : a sample of what you would like to do ? |
| 12:52 |
|
rch |
paul: e.g. the auth form is inside a search div, |
| 12:52 |
|
Lea |
ok, thanks |
| 12:52 |
|
rch |
paul: the opac nav is a list element inside the hardcoded nav |
| 12:52 |
|
rch |
which are both inside the masthead. |
| 12:53 |
|
Lea |
kados: I rewrote my mapper class yesterday and reduced my "cleaned" MARC data by 30%" |
| 12:53 |
|
rch |
paul: generally, I'd like to add a named dif around every functional element so it can be more easily css'ed |
| 12:54 |
|
rch |
(div, even) |
| 12:54 |
|
paul |
rch : a named div around every functionnal element => im' 100% OK for this, as it's what was planned. |
| 12:54 |
|
paul |
"we" make a heavy use of <fieldset> instead of <div> but i'm not sure it's a good thing. |
| 12:55 |
|
rch |
yes, I think css is cleaner with divs. |
| 12:56 |
|
paul |
fieldsets are useful, but i think they should not replace <div> & sometimes are useless |
| 12:57 |
|
rch |
paul: I have some other questions about where you are with rel_3_0 |
| 12:58 |
|
rch |
We have a client who wishes itemtypes at items level. |
| 12:58 |
|
rch |
i.e. not just special issuing rule per item |
| 12:58 |
|
paul |
hehe... kados spoke of this previously... |
| 12:59 |
|
paul |
is it "wishes" or "want" ? |
| 12:59 |
|
rch |
ummm.. needs, I guess :) |
| 12:59 |
|
kados |
paul: it's a requirement, unfortunately |
| 13:00 |
|
kados |
paul: I also discovered that NPL used to have this functiaonlity too |
| 13:00 |
|
kados |
paul: but they lost i when upgrading to Koha |
| 13:00 |
|
rch |
So simplest would be to add items.itype, and allow that field to override biblioitems.itemtype if exists ? |
| 13:00 |
|
paul |
we have 2 ways to do such thing : |
| 13:01 |
|
paul |
- move itemtype to items level, for everybody. Probably easier to code, but harder to migrate existing libraries & too bad for libraries happy with itemtype at bilbio level |
| 13:01 |
|
paul |
- add a items.itemtype field, with default value being biblioitems.itemtype, and activated (& modified) by the library where needed. harder to code, but better for other libraries. |
| 13:02 |
|
paul |
what's the timeline for you ? |
| 13:02 |
|
rch |
tomorrow :) |
| 13:02 |
|
paul |
i was afraid it could be yesterday... |
| 13:02 |
|
paul |
lol |
| 13:02 |
|
kados |
it was, but we moved it to tomorrow ;-) |
| 13:03 |
|
rch |
:) |
| 13:03 |
|
paul |
without kidding, do you need this really ASAP, or can it wait for, say, februrary ? |
| 13:03 |
|
paul |
(/me thikn he know the answer) |
| 13:03 |
|
kados |
definitely not feb |
| 13:03 |
|
kados |
maybe a week or so at the most |
| 13:03 |
|
paul |
wow... |
| 13:04 |
|
paul |
I prefer a week to a month, i'll explain why : |
| 13:04 |
|
kados |
esp if we use the second way |
| 13:04 |
|
paul |
SANOP will start on jan, 3rd with rel_3_0, so such a DB modif has to be checked a lot. |
| 13:04 |
|
kados |
(we can just add some small code rather than re-write existing stuff) |
| 13:05 |
|
kados |
paul: it's only one column added to the items table ... it's harmless |
| 13:05 |
|
paul |
and if you code it for next week, we will have enough time to debug it. |
| 13:05 |
|
paul |
kados, let me give you an example : |
| 13:05 |
|
paul |
the SANOP server went fine until yesterday 4PM. |
| 13:05 |
|
paul |
btoumi wanted to do something harmless on the system for koha : installing webmin. |
| 13:05 |
|
paul |
he updated, and ... |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:06 |
|
paul |
... apache could not restart anymore for some dependancy problem. |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
right |
| 13:06 |
|
paul |
12 hours before a major demo. |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
(one of our clients did something similar a few monts back :-)) |
| 13:06 |
|
paul |
so, ok for such modifs in a week (= 6 weeks to check it for SANOP) |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
paul: we have already made the modif |
| 13:06 |
|
paul |
but definetly nok for such modifs in december, 10th !!! |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
paul: to the table |
| 13:07 |
|
rch |
paul: 10 dec? |
| 13:07 |
|
kados |
paul: (right ... I understand) |
| 13:07 |
|
kados |
SAN goes live in Jan right? |
| 13:07 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 13:07 |
|
paul |
jan 3rd |
| 13:08 |
|
kados |
paul: so we want to add this new table def to CVS ... what's the best approach? |
| 13:08 |
|
kados |
add to koha.sql? updatedatabase? |
| 13:08 |
|
paul |
new table ? or new column ? |
| 13:08 |
|
paul |
updatedatabase, definetly |
| 13:08 |
|
kados |
just a new column |
| 13:08 |
|
rch |
just column in items. |
| 13:09 |
|
paul |
koha.sql being created from a dump of a working 3.0 install (when it will be stabilised) |
| 13:09 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 13:10 |
|
kados |
paul: we'll commit this immediately |
| 13:11 |
|
paul |
cool... i'll investigate what it means & point the commit to sanop |
| 13:20 |
|
rch |
paul: updatedabase: just add to %fielddefinitions ? |
| 13:20 |
|
paul |
yep, iirc |
| 13:36 |
|
rch |
paul: is marc_biblio still used for anything? |
| 13:36 |
|
paul |
nope |
| 13:37 |
|
rch |
shall we remove from tabledefitinit? |
| 13:37 |
|
rch |
table definition, even |
| 13:38 |
|
Anarka |
i'm not happy with the install of koha... the IT guy loves windows but doesn't want to install using the package, and doesnt want to use apache, so basically it's just copy paste of files after an error in hope it will work |
| 13:38 |
|
Anarka |
i just want to scream :P |
| 13:38 |
|
paul |
rch : yep. |
| 13:39 |
|
paul |
& marc_subfield_table & marc_word as well. |
| 13:39 |
|
paul |
and auth_subfield_table & auth_word too... |
| 13:39 |
|
paul |
Arnaka : good luck. |
| 13:40 |
|
paul |
Anarka: good luck |
| 13:40 |
|
Anarka |
it would be better if it failed miserably but... it is starting to work |
| 13:40 |
|
kados |
paul: what's the best way to remove those fields ? |
| 13:41 |
|
kados |
paul: from updatedatabase? |
| 13:41 |
|
kados |
paul: (they might be needed for migration, eh?) |
| 13:41 |
|
paul |
yes. that's why I did not add them to updatedatabase. I don't know what's the best way to do this. it's probably manually for 2.2 libraries |
| 13:42 |
|
paul |
and remove the tables from koha.sql & updatedatabase for new libraries. |
| 13:42 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:42 |
|
kados |
fun :-) |
| 13:43 |
|
paul |
they are in french, so I won't transmit it to you... |
| 13:43 |
|
kados |
paul: good news for rel_3_0 ... rch and I have decided to start working on it |
| 13:43 |
|
paul |
great !!! |
| 13:43 |
|
toins |
kados, great ! |
| 13:43 |
|
paul |
really |
| 13:43 |
|
kados |
paul: all future zebra clients will be in rel_3_0 |
| 13:43 |
|
kados |
so dev_week is now deprecated :-) |
| 13:44 |
|
paul |
don't you have any clients to setup in the next days/weeks ? |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
of course ... :-) |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
so it will be a busy few weeks :-) |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
(but they don't go live until Jan ) |
| 13:44 |
|
paul |
kados = supercoder & rch = spidercoder ... |
| 13:44 |
|
kados |
( so some bugs are OK ) |
| 13:45 |
|
paul |
ok, I prefer this (for you) |
| 13:45 |
|
kados |
but we feel it's better to have all of us on the same codebase |
| 13:45 |
|
paul |
were you interested by a translated list of all improvements toins is working on? |
| 13:45 |
|
paul |
s/were/are/ |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
sure, if it's not too much trouble to translate |
| 13:46 |
|
paul |
37 lines |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
(maybe just run it through google translate ... probably close enough to understand) |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
btw: rch has committed updatedatabase change |
| 13:46 |
|
toins |
i'm happy that synching is now finished... |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
toins: :-) |
| 13:47 |
|
paul |
toins will translate in english the list & send it to you. |
| 13:47 |
|
toins |
roger.... |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
woot |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
just to explain : there is a "priority" list : Haut=High Moyen=Medium Bas=Low |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
same for "difficulty" column. |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
the "status" contains "Fait"=done when it's done. |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
k |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
a column also contains who do what (HDL/PP/AF) |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
can we add them to bugzilla? |
| 13:48 |
|
paul |
he will let the french column description & add an english one. |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
maybe easier to track that way? |
| 13:49 |
|
paul |
would be interesting to add them 1 by 1, but would be quite long to enter. |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
paul: don't you have a small child for such things? ;-) |
| 13:49 |
|
paul |
nope |
| 13:50 |
|
paul |
(my wife being crying highly at one of my child atm...) |
| 13:50 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:50 |
|
paul |
(I think its because the 2nd one stayed at one of his friends/neighbour without permission) |
| 13:57 |
|
rch |
hey can anyone briefly explain the notifys table and "FU" ? |
| 13:59 |
|
kados |
hdl: maybe? |
| 13:59 |
|
dewey |
maybe is listed as HEAD in my CVS Entry file. |
| 13:59 |
|
kados |
dewey: forget maybe |
| 13:59 |
|
dewey |
kados: I forgot maybe |
| 14:00 |
|
toins |
dewey, toins ? |
| 14:00 |
|
dewey |
you are trying to commit on gna.org with svn since this morning. |
| 14:00 |
|
toins |
hehe |
| 14:05 |
|
kados |
toins: do you know the answer to rch's question? |
| 14:06 |
|
paul |
kados : I bet it's a sanop addition. |
| 14:06 |
|
paul |
you should ask btoumi I think |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 14:06 |
|
toins |
i don'tknow kados |
| 14:06 |
|
paul |
they have developped a feature to notify overdues, on a 3level basis. |
| 14:07 |
|
paul |
you can notify by e-mail, snailmail (with some OOo document), or forget the notify iirc |
| 20:30 |
|
thd |
kados: are you there? |
| 23:07 |
|
iceninesyd |
hello |
| 23:07 |
|
chris |
hi |
| 23:07 |
|
dewey |
privet, chris |
| 23:07 |
|
iceninesyd |
i am testing irc with irma |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
is that chris cormack ?!??!?! |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
cool, looks like its all working |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
the famous cc ? |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
heh yep |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
irma jus sent you an email |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
r u in NZ? |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
cool, ill be waiting for it |
| 23:08 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
i loike koha so far |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
although i know little of it! |
| 23:08 |
|
iceninesyd |
we'll be installing on a madriva system |
| 23:09 |
|
iceninesyd |
NE idea if that causes troubles? |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
nope it should be fine |
| 23:09 |
|
iceninesyd |
good |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
paul poulain, uses mandriva |
| 23:09 |
|
iceninesyd |
excellent! |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
and he is the 2.2.x release manager |
| 23:09 |
|
iceninesyd |
we'll try for 2.2.6 |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 23:09 |
|
iceninesyd |
tell me, is 2.2.5 a beta? (a la linux numbering) |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
the middle number is the one to watch |
| 23:10 |
|
iceninesyd |
i.e. odds are beta evens are release |
| 23:10 |
|
iceninesyd |
ah! |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
2.2.whatever = release |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
2.3.x unstable |
| 23:10 |
|
iceninesyd |
good good |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
etc |
| 23:10 |
|
iceninesyd |
now to figure out how to get the wireless working on the mandriva laptop! |
| 23:10 |
|
iceninesyd |
not that I epect you guys to answer that one :) |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 23:11 |
|
iceninesyd |
erd question |
| 23:11 |
|
iceninesyd |
is there a digram of the E-R for koha? |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
not a recent one |
| 23:11 |
|
iceninesyd |
ah ah |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
wiki.koha.org and www.kohadocs.org |
| 23:11 |
|
chris |
are the places to look |
| 23:11 |
|
iceninesyd |
will have a squizz |
| 23:11 |
|
iceninesyd |
10Q |
| 23:12 |
|
iceninesyd |
(my wierd abbrev for thankyou) |
| 23:13 |
|
iceninesyd |
just got back from 3 months on the road (iceland, irelkand, germany) and irma snapped me up |
| 23:13 |
|
iceninesyd |
nice to be into cyber space again |
| 23:13 |
|
chris |
:-) |
| 23:13 |
|
iceninesyd |
3 months in wetspace is a bit much |
| 23:13 |
|
iceninesyd |
methinks there will be a long learning curve in actually understanding all the ins and outs of koha |
| 23:14 |
|
iceninesyd |
well, the techie side will be easy but the librarian side is all new to me |
| 23:14 |
|
iceninesyd |
cc: do you have a library background? |
| 23:14 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 23:14 |
|
iceninesyd |
techy? |
| 23:14 |
|
chris |
i suggest you read the newbie guide on www.kohadocs.org |
| 23:14 |
|
chris |
yeah, compsci degree |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
will read the guide |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
that gives a good intro to using koha |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
i don't think I'll have any trouble with the LAMP side of things |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
(i've been FOSSing for years) |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
but once we get into data import then the fun begins |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
any plans to port this thing to java ? |
| 23:15 |
|
iceninesyd |
hahahahahahahah! |
| 23:16 |
|
iceninesyd |
serously ... perhaps other languages like python? |
| 23:16 |
|
iceninesyd |
(java sux imho) |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 23:16 |
|
iceninesyd |
i havebn't loolked a the perl code yet |
| 23:16 |
|
iceninesyd |
is it very O-O written? or a more procedural apporach? |
| 23:16 |
|
chris |
a bit of both |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
BTW: perl6 is on the horizon ... maybe some porting will be in the offing? |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
i am of course here to help irm with her current client |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
but also, if there are any technical areas of KOHA that need work (maybe some DB analysis for example) |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
i'd love to know |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
more than willing to pitch in and offer a hand, since I have the time and inclination these days |
| 23:17 |
|
iceninesyd |
(I want to kickstart my brain again!) |
| 23:17 |
|
chris |
you might want to look into the upcoming 3.0 release |
| 23:18 |
|
chris |
and the work with zebra |
| 23:18 |
|
iceninesyd |
zebra? |
| 23:18 |
|
dewey |
somebody said zebra was #1 for me |
| 23:18 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:21 |
|
iceninesyd |
is release 3.0 occupying a lot of your time? |
| 23:21 |
|
iceninesyd |
also: is 3.0 next? ... perhaps I should snoop around and read up on it :) |
| 23:21 |
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chris |
not mine, but a lot of the french developers time |
| 23:22 |
|
chris |
id have a read of the developers list mailing archive |
| 23:22 |
|
iceninesyd |
ah yes, KohaRoadMap 3.0 ... i'll shutup now! |
| 23:22 |
|
iceninesyd |
okay .. i'm on the user's mailing list |
| 23:22 |
|
iceninesyd |
perhpas I'll lurk on developers for awhile |
| 23:22 |
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chris |
good idea |
| 23:22 |
|
iceninesyd |
it looks like 1.2, then 2.2 and now 3.0 |
| 23:23 |
|
chris |
1.0 ->1.1 -> 1.2 1.2->1.3->2.0 (quite a lot of changes) 2.0->2.1->2.2 |
| 23:23 |
|
iceninesyd |
i presume the dev list is the place to offer to work on some of the outsnading issues lissted in the roadmap |
| 23:23 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 23:24 |
|
chris |
to find out what is still left too |
| 23:24 |
|
iceninesyd |
and 2.2 -> 3.0 implies a major bunch of changes |
| 23:24 |
|
chris |
yeah, most namely zebra |
| 23:24 |
|
iceninesyd |
the 'contextual' db ... which is new to me |
| 05:20 |
|
js |
hello |
| 05:20 |
|
dewey |
what's up, js |
| 10:41 |
|
owen |
kados, rch, you guys awake? |
| 10:42 |
|
paul |
hello owen. |
| 10:42 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 10:42 |
|
paul |
frenchies are, at least ;-) |
| 10:47 |
|
paul |
owen : if you want to do some searches, i17.bureau.paulpoulain.com (test/test) is running, with a partial SANOP setup |
| 10:47 |
|
paul |
(searching potter is fine) |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
paul, that login/password doesn't work for me |
| 10:55 |
|
paul |
lol |
| 10:57 |
|
Lea |
evening |
| 10:57 |
|
Lea |
er...afternoon even... |
| 10:58 |
|
rch |
Lea: morning! |
| 10:59 |
|
Lea |
feels like it! :) |
| 10:59 |
|
Lea |
guys, I'm getting great feedback from my boss about Koha :) |
| 10:59 |
|
Lea |
although he thinks the default html/css is ..err.... "unique" ;) |
