| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:06 |
|
kados |
Tmr: hi there! |
| 12:07 |
|
kados |
Tmr: welcome :-) |
| 12:07 |
|
kados |
shedges: you too :-) |
| 12:07 |
|
kados |
shedges: how's the new office? :-) |
| 12:14 |
|
Tmr |
Hi everyone I am quite new to this IRC thing I hope I manage t'night |
| 12:15 |
|
shedges |
hey kados! |
| 12:15 |
|
shedges |
BUSY! |
| 12:15 |
|
shedges |
(There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) |
| 12:25 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 13:33 |
|
kados |
welcome back tumer :-) |
| 13:33 |
|
kados |
tumer: did you see my other email (public one) sent to you over the weekend? |
| 13:34 |
|
kados |
tumer: I asked some additional questions and also asked about your timestamp export script |
| 13:43 |
|
tumer |
kados: sorry I am trying to sort this mIRC thing |
| 13:43 |
|
kados |
no problem :-) |
| 13:43 |
|
kados |
I'm _very_ happy to see you here :-) |
| 13:44 |
|
tumer |
Well i am missing my Tango milonga for this and hope doing the right thing |
| 13:45 |
|
kados |
you have a Tango / Milonga class? |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
tumer: the mtg does not start until 20:00 ... what time is that for you? |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]ur=20&min=0&sec=0 |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
what timezone are you in? |
| 13:46 |
|
tumer |
I am taking Tango lessons |
| 13:46 |
|
tumer |
GMT +2 |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
great! I was never very good at Tango |
| 13:46 |
|
kados |
I liked to Rumba :-) |
| 13:47 |
|
kados |
ouch, so it will be 10:00pm for you ... |
| 13:48 |
|
tumer |
well I used to salsa but with age wine matures! |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
good point |
| 13:48 |
|
kados |
I'm afraid I am turning to vinegar with regards to dancing :-) |
| 13:49 |
|
tumer |
even quality vinegar is expensive:-) |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
tumer: good news is you are in the same timezone as Frenchies |
| 13:49 |
|
tumer |
they are GMT+1 an hr early |
| 13:49 |
|
kados |
really? |
| 13:50 |
|
tumer |
I am in Cyprus |
| 13:51 |
|
kados |
tumer: greece? |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
tumer: no kidding ... /me studied classical languages (greek and latin) as an undergrad |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
kaire! |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 13:52 |
|
kados |
even 'kados' is a greek word :-) |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
Paris seems to be GMT + 2 right now |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]k/city.html?n=195 |
| 13:53 |
|
kados |
maybe due to daylight-savings? |
| 13:54 |
|
tumer |
well not exactly a turkish cypriot! |
| 13:54 |
|
tumer |
kados: Yep I forgot about daylight. Then I'm GMT+3 |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
yikes, even worse, so the mtg is 11:00PM for you |
| 13:56 |
|
tumer |
kados how do you write these special messages in different colours? |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
type: |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
/me does something |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
it looks like: |
| 13:57 |
|
tumer |
type:/ tumer goes for coffee |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
no, just: |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
/tumer goes for coffee |
| 13:58 |
|
tumer |
:/ tumer goes for coffee |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
start with the / |
| 13:58 |
|
tumer |
:tumer goes for coffee |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
no : |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
just /tumer goes for coffee |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
well, actually |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
/me goes for coffee |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
not /tumer |
| 13:59 |
|
kados |
yay :-) |
| 13:59 |
|
tumer |
great;-) |
| 14:08 |
|
kados |
In fact, I hope our friends from France make it tonght |
| 14:10 |
|
tumer |
kados: can you try 212.175.151.135:8000 with user=test pass=test2 whether you can connect? |
| 14:12 |
|
kados |
I'll try |
| 14:12 |
|
kados |
it's timing out or else very very slow |
| 14:12 |
|
kados |
is there a firewall? |
| 14:13 |
|
tumer |
our lines are very slow, I'll check firewall |
| 14:15 |
|
tumer |
changed firewall, pls try again |
| 14:15 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 14:15 |
|
kados |
working |
| 14:16 |
|
kados |
ok, I'm logged in |
| 14:16 |
|
kados |
nice 'barcode' search |
| 14:16 |
|
tumer |
when I discuss things I thought it will be better if I can get people to see what I mean |
| 14:16 |
|
kados |
great! |
| 14:17 |
|
kados |
I like the useZOOM syspref :-) |
| 14:17 |
|
kados |
we have discussed having one for rel_2_2 |
| 14:17 |
|
tumer |
go to catalogue search |
| 14:17 |
|
kados |
excellent! |
| 14:17 |
|
kados |
boolean |
| 14:18 |
|
kados |
very nice work Tumer |
| 14:18 |
|
kados |
chris: you around? |
| 14:18 |
|
tumer |
exept that everthing is PQF |
| 14:18 |
|
kados |
ahh, not CQL, eh? |
| 14:19 |
|
tumer |
nop I'am waiting you chaps for that -easy to upgrade |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
do you update Zebra with every checkout? |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
ie, holdingbranch/status? |
| 14:19 |
|
tumer |
yes |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
very nice |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
we definitely need to get you involved in 3.0 |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
we're very short handed |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
so development has been quite slow |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
tumer: did you see the echange about 'sort by relevance'? |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
tumer: it may be better for you than sort by title ... |
| 14:21 |
|
tumer |
we can use this sort of screen in KohaCon to prove ZEBRA vs Mysql cause its just radio button selection |
| 14:21 |
|
kados |
oooh ... great point! |
| 14:21 |
|
tumer |
I am working on sort by relevance |
| 14:22 |
|
kados |
you will find that CVS is quite easy to use |
| 14:22 |
|
tumer |
I have just managed to have LC indexing sorted out |
| 14:22 |
|
kados |
especially on Windows |
| 14:22 |
|
kados |
I hear that TortoiseCVS is quite nice |
| 14:22 |
|
kados |
http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 14:23 |
|
tumer |
I'll look into CVS thing |
| 14:23 |
|
kados |
tumer: you also need to sign up at savannah: |
| 14:23 |
|
tumer |
I've got universities in Turkey wanting to know more about KOHA coming to Cyprus to see us. |
| 14:23 |
|
kados |
excellent! |
| 14:24 |
|
kados |
tumer: https://savannah.nongnu.org/account/register.php |
| 14:24 |
|
tumer |
And even may be the NAtional Library of Turkey is interested. I'm taking the director to Paris |
| 14:24 |
|
kados |
wow, fantastic! |
| 14:25 |
|
tumer |
that will mean 1.5M records on KOHA |
| 14:25 |
|
kados |
right |
| 14:25 |
|
kados |
tumer: are you an employee of a library or a contractor? |
| 14:26 |
|
tumer |
I'll sign up on savannah |
| 14:26 |
|
kados |
great, let me know your username and I'll add you to the project |
| 14:27 |
|
tumer |
Yep I'm the director of university library, I do this just for fun! |
| 14:27 |
|
kados |
excellent :-) |
| 14:27 |
|
kados |
I began as the sys admin for Nelsonville |
| 14:28 |
|
kados |
now I operate LibLime.com :-) |
| 14:28 |
|
kados |
and NPL is one of our clients :-) |
| 14:28 |
|
tumer |
very nice designs at liblime:-) |
| 14:28 |
|
kados |
thx |
| 14:29 |
|
tumer |
I am very confused with this utf8 problems you are all having! |
| 14:32 |
|
griffjon |
I'm trying to implement Koha as a simple library check-in-check-out system for our office's resource books (~500 books, tapes, DVDs), but I'm finding Koha to be way more than I need, and a bit difficult to work with |
| 14:33 |
|
griffjon |
is there a way to import book records without using MARC records? I have titles and will have ISBNs, but don't have/want/need full MARC information |
| 14:33 |
|
kados |
griffjon: Koha can be customized to make it much simpler for your needs |
| 14:34 |
|
kados |
griffjon: you should be able to turn MARC off in the systempreferences |
| 14:34 |
|
griffjon |
I've already set it to not worry about branches, etc., but for record import, the only information I've found is to go through a marc system |
| 14:34 |
|
kados |
griffjon: that may work for you |
| 14:34 |
|
griffjon |
hmmmm |
| 14:34 |
|
griffjon |
I'll look at that |
| 14:34 |
|
griffjon |
is there a database schema anywhere such that I could write an SQL query to move the data over? |
| 14:36 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... kohadocs.org would be a good place to look |
| 14:36 |
|
tumer |
griffon:what format do you have the records now? |
| 14:36 |
|
kados |
but probably your best bet is writing a script based on MARC::Record |
| 14:37 |
|
kados |
convert your data to minimal MARC data, then import using the bulkmarcimport.pl script |
| 14:37 |
|
kados |
that's what we do for our customers who don't need full MARC |
| 14:39 |
|
griffjon |
they're just in an access db that a previous it guy put together |
| 14:39 |
|
griffjon |
it has title, author, and I'm intending on adding ISBN using a barcode scanner I have |
| 14:41 |
|
tumer |
well as far as I know there are simple programs around like MARCEdit that lets you convert a text file to MARC. Simply export you db as tab delimited text and convert them to marc |
| 14:43 |
|
tumer |
MarcEdit by Terry Reese is an example -freeware |
| 14:44 |
|
kados |
yep, good idea |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
T-MINUS 15 MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING |
| 14:50 |
|
kados |
AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm |
| 14:51 |
|
tumer |
kados: I registerd with savannah |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
tumer: what's your username? |
| 14:52 |
|
tumer |
tgarip1957 |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
tumer: your account hasn't appeared yet |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
hiya slef |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
MEETING AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
slef: feel free to add stuff to the agenda if you have anything to discuss |
| 14:54 |
|
tumer |
kados:just did |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
tumer: ok, you're added to the project :-) |
| 14:55 |
|
kados |
tumer: now we just need to get you set up with a CVS client :-) |
| 14:55 |
|
tumer |
thanks! |
| 14:55 |
|
slef |
if you've the command line cvs client, just download emacs and use the menus ;-) |
| 14:55 |
|
kados |
slef: tumer uses Windows |
| 14:55 |
|
slef |
kados: emacs runs on Windows |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
ahh, good point |
| 14:56 |
|
tumer |
and never used CVS ! |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
I haven't used windows for so long I forget what works and doesn't :-) |
| 14:56 |
|
slef |
not sure how well it does cvs, but emacs's cvs menus are quite friendly |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
ho z0rglub |
| 14:58 |
|
pierrick |
good night #koha |
| 14:58 |
|
tumer |
gnight |
| 14:58 |
|
slef |
pierrick: not staying for the meeting? |
| 14:59 |
|
pierrick |
slef: it's 10PM for me :-) |
| 14:59 |
|
pierrick |
slef: I didn't say "good bye" :-) |
| 14:59 |
|
tumer |
and 11pm for me :-( |
| 14:59 |
|
slef |
pierrick: time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. |
| 15:00 |
|
pierrick |
slef: you don't have kids I suppose? time is everything |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
pierrick: in english, 'good night' usually means 'good bye', and is not normally a greeting |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
pierrick: though strangely, you can say 'good evening' as a greeting :-) |
| 15:00 |
|
slef |
pierrick: we usually say "good night" at end of day, going home, off to sleep |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
pierrick: one instance where American and English agree :-) |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
and looks like no kiwis are here ... |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
chris or russ around yet? |
| 15:02 |
|
slef |
j'ai cru que la francais dit le meme chose, mais je sais pas |
| 15:02 |
|
chris |
i am |
| 15:02 |
|
pierrick |
kados & slef: I know :-) it was some kind of a joke, I won't do it again, sorry ;-) |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
pierrick: do you know if paul will be here, or hdl? |
| 15:02 |
|
slef |
pierrick: defense de rigoler en seance! |
| 15:03 |
|
hdl |
hi there. |
| 15:03 |
|
pierrick |
I have absolutely no idea about hdl and paul |
| 15:03 |
|
pierrick |
(and antoine) |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:03 |
|
pierrick |
it seems hdl is here :-) |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
hi hdl :-) |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
nice crowd today |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
I think we should start early for the sake of our GMT+ folks |
| 15:04 |
|
hdl |
hi |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
meeting agenda is here: |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06apr03 |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
so first up, a few announcements |
| 15:04 |
|
thd |
I am here now |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
pierrick will be our new QA Manager ... he has had approval from INEO as I understand it |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
pierrick: that's correct, right? |
| 15:05 |
|
pierrick |
correct |
| 15:05 |
|
pierrick |
I'll answer more officialy on koha-devel |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
second, I've asked Tumer to become the 'Release Assistant' since he has shown so much initiative in developing perl-zoom |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
tumer: can you show everyone your test site? |
| 15:05 |
|
pierrick |
yeah :-) welcome Tumer |
| 15:06 |
|
tumer |
hi all. I dont even know a release assistant does |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
hehe, it's a title we're inventing for you :-) |
| 15:07 |
|
pierrick |
helping kados I suppose |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
it basically means help me :-) |
| 15:07 |
|
tumer |
yep. for the site go 212.175.151.135:8000 user:test pass:test2 superlibrarian privileges |
| 15:07 |
|
thd |
tumer: if you are the release assistant, then a release assistant does whatever it is that you do :) |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
tumer's made some very impressive leaps forward in terms of zebra integration |
| 15:08 |
|
tumer |
well than I'm releasing myself of all evil! |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
for instance, his installation updates zebra with each circulation of an item |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
he also provided us with the proper way to index zebra from the command line |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
and still be able to use Koha with that index |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
so ... welcome to Tumer |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
now, who added 'Main web editing'? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
wait ... one more announcement |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
we've a new wiki: |
| 15:10 |
|
slef |
me, but isn't wiki first? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
http://wiki.koha.org |
| 15:10 |
|
thd |
and what does main web editing mean? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
the wiki is hosted in the US on one of liblime's sites |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
s/sites/servers/ |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
we need to transfer data from the old wiki to the new one at some point |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
so if there are any volunteers for that let me know |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
I'll post a mail to koha-devel about it soon |
| 15:12 |
|
pierrick |
I am |
| 15:12 |
|
slef |
Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
pierrick: you'll volunteer? |
| 15:12 |
|
pierrick |
kados: yes |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
pierrick: great! thanks. |
| 15:12 |
|
pierrick |
do we need to import history or is current state enough? |
| 15:13 |
|
kados |
pierrick: current state is enough |
| 15:13 |
|
thd |
kados: and presumably it will be open password protected against spam. |
| 15:13 |
|
kados |
thd: nope, there's an internal spam tracker |
| 15:13 |
|
kados |
thd: that filters by content |
| 15:13 |
|
slef |
Is saas.nsw.edu.au OK with the change? |
| 15:13 |
|
kados |
thd: we'll try that for a while and if it doesn't work I can add user permissions |
| 15:13 |
|
pierrick |
on dokuwiki? |
| 15:14 |
|
pierrick |
spam tracker on dokuwiki ? |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
pierrick: yes |
| 15:14 |
|
chris |
good point we should drop roger buck (who runs saas.nsw.edu.au) an email |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
there was a thread about this a while ago |
| 15:14 |
|
slef |
chris: particularly if there will be much data downloaded. |
| 15:14 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
ok slef, you're up ... three items right? |
| 15:15 |
|
chris |
he may even be able to provide a mysql dump |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
ooh ... that'd be nice |
| 15:15 |
|
chris |
which might make it easier |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
chris: can you get Roger's email to pierrick? |
| 15:15 |
|
slef |
kados: Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
slef: that's a good question |
| 15:15 |
|
chris |
umm |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
slef: i wasn't intending to change the tempalte |
| 15:15 |
|
chris |
ill have to look on the devel list and find it |
| 15:16 |
|
slef |
kados: how css'able is it? Might be able to control it from www.koha.org/includes/css/ |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
slef: I haven't checked, but if you want to work on that I'd be happy to upload any new css files |
| 15:16 |
|
slef |
kados: can you ask what people would prefer, in your announcement email? |
| 15:17 |
|
kados |
slef: prefer as far as look and feel? |
| 15:17 |
|
slef |
kados: yes, whether it's easier to use as dokuwiki-look, or would be better looking like koha.org |
| 15:17 |
|
pierrick |
slef: I know many Dokuwiki installation very "customized" so I suppose CSS is used to manage look&feel |
| 15:18 |
|
slef |
or whether it matters at all to anyone :) |
| 15:18 |
|
pierrick |
I customized my Dokuwiki a little, it was easy |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
chris: roger at hrothgar.co.uk is that it? |
| 15:18 |
|
chris |
no |
| 15:18 |
|
slef |
kados: no! |
| 15:18 |
|
chris |
he is australian :) |
| 15:18 |
|
chris |
rog saas.nsw.edu.au |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
ok, cool, thanks |
| 15:19 |
|
slef |
ok, I'm out of questions on wiki for now. |
| 15:19 |
|
pierrick |
I'll ask him a dump :-) |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
slef: I'll ask that question in my email |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
slef: so over to you |
| 15:19 |
|
thd |
I think it matters for giving a good impression of Koha to those who have not investigated enough to look past mere appearance |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
Main Web Editing |
| 15:20 |
|
slef |
Main web editing - I have editor access to www.koha.org now. I don't know if I'm the first European, so if you want to discuss updates in English daytime, I'm here. |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
one thing to change: |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
Koha at Sourceforge |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
on the front page |
| 15:20 |
|
slef |
Also, if you have suggestions to improve accessibility, let me know (spotted another one today) |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
should be Koha at Savannah |
| 15:20 |
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slef |
kados: OK, I'll get that. New URL? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/koha |
| 15:21 |
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pierrick |
slef: are you joking ? |
| 15:21 |
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kados |
I think I have editor access but I've long forgotten the url/user/pass :-) |
| 15:21 |
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slef |
pierrick: not right now. Why? |
| 15:22 |
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kados |
ok, moving along ... New blogs plan? |
| 15:22 |
|
chris |
ahh that sneaked on when russ did the koha conf bit |
| 15:22 |
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chris |
(sourceforge) |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
however, I'm planning on putting together a new blog shortly that will just be about libraries and open source |
| 15:22 |
|
slef |
There will be an upgrade to owu.towers.org.uk "soon" which will make the koha blogs look like the main site |
| 15:23 |
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kados |
and will be hosted on liblime.com |
| 15:23 |
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pierrick |
slef: I thought every Koha members knew Savannah Koha page :-/ |
| 15:23 |
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kados |
excellent |
| 15:23 |
|
slef |
Does anyone know where blogs.koha.org is pointing? |
| 15:23 |
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chris |
nowhere? |
| 15:23 |
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slef |
pierrick: there are two or three pages for each savannah project. I'd rather link to the RM's preferred one! |
| 15:23 |
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chris |
i look after the dns |
| 15:23 |
|
chris |
where would you like it pointed slef? |
| 15:24 |
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slef |
chris: should the link be on www.koha.org? |
| 15:24 |
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kados |
yea, as 'Blogs', definitely |
| 15:24 |
|
chris |
to the blog aggregator? ... yeah i reckon so |
| 15:24 |
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slef |
I don't mind, but it seemed odd for it to have a link. |
| 15:24 |
|
slef |
I'll just change the href URL, if that's OK. |
| 15:24 |
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chris |
thats fine |
| 15:25 |
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slef |
pierrick: http://koha.nongnu.org/ is a bit empty, though :-D |
| 15:25 |
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kados |
yea, someone wanna spruce that up? |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
you can check out the web repo |
| 15:25 |
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kados |
in fact, that could be a mirror of the koha.org site |
| 15:25 |
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slef |
kados: can we revisit one meeting when russ is here to tell us how to mirror? |
| 15:26 |
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kados |
sure |
| 15:26 |
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slef |
ok, I'm done, if there are no more www or blogs questions/requests. |
| 15:26 |
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kados |
slef: all set on the blogs plan? |
| 15:26 |
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kados |
pierrick: wanna talk about the Extension Manager? |
| 15:26 |
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chris |
id probably just set up an rsync cron job to do the mirroring slef but we can cover that when russ is around |
| 15:26 |
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pierrick |
kados: right |
| 15:27 |
|
pierrick |
I've proposed kados to help him preparing a Koha extension manager |
| 15:27 |
|
pierrick |
the extension manager would be an online application where users would share their extensions |
| 15:28 |
|
pierrick |
an extension can be a new template, a translation, an additional tool |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
we also need some way to 'install' and 'uninstall' extensions I bet |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
it would really be cool to have an extensions framework like Mambo or Wordpress |
| 15:28 |
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pierrick |
each extension would have a README explaining how to install and uninstall I suppose |
| 15:28 |
|
slef |
like http://modules.apache.org/ ? |
| 15:29 |
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pierrick |
slef: yeah, more like http://phpwebgallery.net/ext in fact ;-) |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
I'm guessing more like http://mamboxchange.com/ |
| 15:30 |
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pierrick |
kados: a plugin manager is a complicated task, very complicated |
| 15:30 |
|
thd |
pierrick: what would distinguish extensions from base code? |
| 15:30 |
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russ |
hi everyone |
| 15:30 |
|
pierrick |
hi russ |
| 15:30 |
|
thd |
hello russ |
| 15:30 |
|
chris |
i think we dont want to reach to far to start |
| 15:30 |
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kados |
pierrick: agreed,, but it would also help us narrow down a definition of the core functionality of an 'ILS' |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
hey russ |
| 15:30 |
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pierrick |
thd: for example a template is clearly an extension. Only 2 templates in standard : PROG and default |
| 15:30 |
|
slef |
hi russ |
| 15:31 |
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chris |
if there was a place for people to upload their extensions and others to download .. and we left the installation/uninstallation documentation up to the extension writers |
| 15:31 |
|
chris |
much like user contribs to oscommerce say |
| 15:31 |
|
chris |
then thats a great first step |
| 15:31 |
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pierrick |
thd: plugin or MODs are other kind of extensions. They are features not officialy added |
| 15:32 |
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pierrick |
chris: I agree |
| 15:32 |
|
chris |
if we try to aim on building a plugin handler, in a years time we still wont have an extensions site :-) |
| 15:32 |
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kados |
chris: good point |
| 15:32 |
|
pierrick |
chris: that's what I do elsewhere and it works well |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
we've already got a lot on our plate with 3.0 |
| 15:32 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 15:32 |
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thd |
pierrick: what are MODs? |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
so maybe just a simple way to upload / download / document |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
thd: modifications |
| 15:32 |
|
pierrick |
thd: code modifications |
| 15:32 |
|
chris |
yeah, thats what pierrick was planning i think |
| 15:33 |
|
pierrick |
kados: PEM is the PhpWebGallery Extension Manager, it is GPL software :-) |
| 15:33 |
|
kados |
ok, sorry to have overstepped the scope, I've got visions you know :-) |
| 15:33 |
|
chris |
and then we can build a fancy plugin handler if/when time permits or someone |
| 15:33 |
|
thd |
MODs are mods. :) |
| 15:33 |
|
chris |
has the desire |
| 15:33 |
|
slef |
as someone whose work includes installing oscommerce contributions, I'd like to say FCOL NOOOooo...! |
| 15:33 |
|
tumer |
do we expect these extensions to pour in? who else but us writing code? |
| 15:33 |
|
chris |
quite a few people tumer |
| 15:34 |
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pierrick |
tumer: I think first of templates, not code |
| 15:34 |
|
slef |
tumer: need to make them easy to install, easy to develop, easy to understand, well-documented, promoted, and so on. |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
slef: i see that as the extension writers problem |
| 15:34 |
|
pierrick |
in PEM, each extension has several revision, and each each revision of an extension is compatible with a/some Koha releases |
| 15:35 |
|
pierrick |
you can filter extensions compatible with you Koha 3.0.1 installation |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
pierrick: so you're suggesting we actually use PEM? |
| 15:35 |
|
pierrick |
kados: of course |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
pierrick: got a url? |
| 15:35 |
|
tumer |
who checks that a script extension does not really mess up customers installation |
| 15:35 |
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slef |
chris: having rankings and details of what's inside (patch files, and so on) would be a big big help. Almost no contribution author ever writes "here you go, but my work is crap". |
| 15:35 |
|
slef |
russ: speedy. |
| 15:36 |
|
pierrick |
the project page or a demo ? |
| 15:36 |
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chris |
slef: true, we could let users rank them |
| 15:36 |
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thd |
tumer: the QA manager would be pierrick |
| 15:36 |
|
pierrick |
https://gna.org/projects/pem/ |
| 15:37 |
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tumer |
thd: so pierrick checks every extension? |
| 15:37 |
|
slef |
chris: helping them with how to write good patches or mod scripts is probably essential too. |
| 15:37 |
|
pierrick |
PEM requires improvement, I'm working on it |
| 15:37 |
|
chris |
slef: yep they will require feedback |
| 15:37 |
|
pierrick |
tumer: extensions are not official |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
pierrick: this is your project? :-) |
| 15:38 |
|
slef |
chris: I'm thinking more of an extension framework a bit more than shove-it-in-a-zip |
| 15:38 |
|
pierrick |
tumer: extensions are shared among users, we can't check every extension |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
hold on guys, pierrick is in fact the project admin for PEM |
| 15:38 |
|
chris |
and that might be our end goal |
| 15:38 |
|
tumer |
pierrick: extensions on official site messing up installations could be damaging |
| 15:38 |
|
thd |
tumer: it should be easy to check until there are a nontrivial number of extensions and then I agree it would be a problem for checking |
| 15:39 |
|
slef |
pierrick: is its manual GPL? |
| 15:39 |
|
pierrick |
kados: a virtual friend wrote it for PhpWebGallery and we are working together to improve it and to make it generic |
| 15:39 |
|
chris |
but id like to at least get somewhere people can put up their templates, and firefox extensions for now |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
chris: kohazilla.org :-) |
| 15:39 |
|
slef |
tumer: should we have http://extensions.unofficial.koha.org/ ? |
| 15:39 |
|
tumer |
something like that |
| 15:39 |
|
pierrick |
slef: what do you mean "manual GPL" ? PEM is under GPL. |
| 15:40 |
|
chris |
a nice disclaimer would be good too |
| 15:40 |
|
slef |
pierrick: someone told me gna.org required you to use the adware FDL for manuals. |
| 15:40 |
|
kados |
pierrick: here's my take |
| 15:41 |
|
kados |
pierrick: we're very short-handed right now |
| 15:41 |
|
kados |
pierrick: 3.0 development is going at a snails pace |
| 15:41 |
|
kados |
pierrick: so if you have time to spend integrating a PEM framework into Koha, by all means do |
| 15:41 |
|
pierrick |
slef: PEM is not a manual, it's an application (and I don't really understand what you mean with "adware FDL") |
| 15:41 |
|
thd |
slef: FDL will be revised to correct that problem after GPL V3 |
| 15:42 |
|
slef |
chris: "Warning: We don't approve it. If it breaks then you get to keep both pieces." |
| 15:42 |
|
kados |
pierrick: but I can tell you right now, I won't be able to spend any time on it other than seeing how ti works |
| 15:42 |
|
chris |
yes slef |
| 15:42 |
|
kados |
pierrick: unless I'm misreading what your suggestion is |
| 15:42 |
|
pierrick |
kados: what do you mean "PEM framework integration into Koha" ? I had a mind a "PEM installation on koha.org" |
| 15:42 |
|
slef |
pierrick: does it have no manuals? |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
pierrick: I see ... |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
pierrick: I missunderstood what PEM is |
| 15:43 |
|
pierrick |
slef: no manual for now |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
pierrick: in that case, go for it |
| 15:43 |
|
thd |
pierrick: I will explain the GNU Free Documentation License to you later |
| 15:43 |
|
pierrick |
PEM is an online application, quite a simple one in fact, but I didn't find anything like it |
| 15:43 |
|
slef |
thd: and LPI will release xamnet, Ubuntu will release Rosetta, and CC will release a version that is usable for free software, later. Vapourware. Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. |
| 15:44 |
|
kados |
pierrick: great, in that case, go for it |
| 15:44 |
|
kados |
we should move on because tumer must be getting tired :-) |
| 15:44 |
|
pierrick |
kados: OK |
| 15:44 |
|
kados |
so Perl-ZOOM plugin |
| 15:45 |
|
kados |
I just lost power |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 15:45 |
|
kados |
so if my internet goes away, that's why |
| 15:45 |
|
tumer |
so did i |
| 15:45 |
|
kados |
(running off the UPS now) |
| 15:46 |
|
chris |
basically i think between what tumer and joshua and I have done |
| 15:46 |
|
thd |
slef it is true that even GPL V3 was vapourware for 4 years but it is promised to ship on time unlike Microsoft stuff next year |
| 15:46 |
|
chris |
we are about there, i just need to see tumer's code |
| 15:46 |
|
slef |
thd: later. |
| 15:46 |
|
chris |
and then it will be merging/tidying and packagin |
| 15:46 |
|
chris |
g |
| 15:48 |
|
tumer |
I have no CQL running all PQF waiting for you chaps. but I had to have it working very quickly. i'll send all the code to chris |
| 15:48 |
|
chris |
fantastic |
| 15:49 |
|
kados |
s00t |
| 15:49 |
|
kados |
w00t even :-) |
| 15:49 |
|
slef |
What's PQF? ;-) |
| 15:49 |
|
tumer |
waiting for me? |
| 15:50 |
|
kados |
tumer: sure |
| 15:50 |
|
tumer |
PQf or RPN whatever you wanna call it. |
| 15:51 |
|
slef |
Reverse Polish Notation, I know |
| 15:51 |
|
tumer |
Chris the code will be with you tomorrow its on the server that I cannot reach at the momemnt |
| 15:51 |
|
kados |
excellent, thanks tumer! |
| 15:51 |
|
chris |
no problemo |
| 15:51 |
|
chris |
i have a bunch of marc data to fight with today anyway |
| 15:51 |
|
kados |
final item is UNICODE status for head |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
which I added |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
I haven't had a chance to test pierrick's method yet |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
and in fact, pierrick, could we talk tomorrow about that? |
| 15:52 |
|
pierrick |
kados: sure |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
ok ... great |
| 15:52 |
|
tumer |
I wanna suggest some changes to zoom connectins and so on who do I do that? |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
tumer: koha-devel |
| 15:52 |
|
thd |
slef: I believe RPN is used at a low level below CQL. |
| 15:52 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
tumer: or right now you can suggest them |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
tumer: while we're all here |
| 15:53 |
|
tumer |
RPN is very fast but not friendly |
| 15:53 |
|
tumer |
I dont like anonymous acces with rw privileges |
| 15:53 |
|
tumer |
have two connections |
| 15:53 |
|
chris |
yeah that needs to be fixed |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
tumer: easy to fix |
| 15:54 |
|
kados |
tumer: there's a passwdc: option |
| 15:54 |
|
tumer |
have a password protected connection for updating |
| 15:54 |
|
kados |
ahh, cool |
| 15:54 |
|
tumer |
I already have that on mine |
| 15:54 |
|
kados |
so you've already done that :-) |
| 15:54 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 15:54 |
|
tumer |
yep |
| 15:54 |
|
kados |
more code for us to steal :-) |
| 15:54 |
|
kados |
yea, maybe you should be the release manager, I'll be the assiatant :-) |
| 15:54 |
|
tumer |
I'll commit them if I learn this CVS |
| 15:55 |
|
kados |
excellent! |
| 15:55 |
|
tumer |
also have backup system |
| 15:55 |
|
chris |
tumer: do you drink alcohol? |
| 15:55 |
|
chris |
if so, i figure we owe you a few beers at the koha conference :) |
| 15:55 |
|
tumer |
More than youy know |
| 15:55 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:55 |
|
kados |
yea, beers are on me too :-) |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
tumer garip rocks ! :-) |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
ok, I've got another meeting to go |
| 15:56 |
|
pierrick |
tumer: if you have problems with CVS, you can ask me on #koha |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
slef: no kidding, it's crazy in france right now :-) |
| 15:56 |
|
chris |
still strikes on slef? |
| 15:56 |
|
slef |
Mayday<fx:mumbles /> |
| 15:56 |
|
kados |
so meeting's closed :-) |
| 15:56 |
|
tumer |
Should I come to Paris or Marseilles? |
| 15:57 |
|
chris |
slef, russ and I will be transiting heathrow on the 30th .. can u fit i a suitcase? |
| 15:57 |
|
slef |
chris: Mayday tends to be a pretty popular strike time, what with Labour day then too |
| 15:57 |
|
chris |
marseilles would be the most useful i think tumer |
| 15:57 |
|
slef |
chris: I try to avoid flying and dumping CO2 in the atmosphere, when there are usually cool trains to use. |
| 15:58 |
|
chris |
fair enough |
| 15:58 |
|
pierrick |
tomorrow is another big strikes day but I think the movement is "decreasing" |
| 15:58 |
|
slef |
I def can't make Marseilles, as I booked a trip the following weekend, like 3 days before I read about kohacon. |
| 15:59 |
|
chris |
paris will be good too |
| 15:59 |
|
hdl |
agress. |
| 15:59 |
|
slef |
pierrick: wait a few days and Sarkozy will say something stupid to start it again |
| 15:59 |
|
chris |
but Marseilles is where we will be concentrating on the development side |
| 15:59 |
|
chris |
if that helps you decide tumer? |
| 15:59 |
|
hdl |
thanks for all the information everybody. |
| 16:00 |
|
hdl |
Time to go to bed. |
| 16:00 |
|
slef |
give me an AV or SIP or even IRC feed! ;-) |
| 16:00 |
|
chris |
yeah, well sort something out :) |
| 16:00 |
|
pierrick |
slef: Sarkozy does not say things stupid, it's Chirac and Villepin job :-) Sarkozy plays with media and barely make mistakes |
| 16:00 |
|
chris |
we'll |
| 16:01 |
|
chris |
ohh french politics .. this meeting could go on for hours :-) |
| 16:01 |
|
slef |
pierrick: so all those suburb youths a few months ago shouting his name while throwing firebombs wasn't Sarkozy's fault? ;-) |
| 16:01 |
|
slef |
chris: I think the meeting was closed up there ^^ wasn't it? |
| 16:01 |
|
slef |
<kados> so meeting's closed :-) |
| 16:01 |
|
chris |
yep, i was joking |
| 16:01 |
|
slef |
had me worried |
| 16:01 |
|
chris |
ok, thanks from me as well, i better go get some coffee and start work |
| 16:01 |
|
pierrick |
slef: well you're right, I had forgotten what he had said a few month ago :-) |
| 16:02 |
|
tumer |
I am also a bit pushed as I want to bring the National library director with me. It may have to be Paris |
| 16:02 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 16:02 |
|
chris |
that would be best for the director |
| 16:02 |
|
chris |
we can have a meeting after the conference on one of the nights |
| 16:02 |
|
chris |
and talk development issues |
| 16:03 |
|
chris |
i know there are great cafe's in paris :-) |
| 16:03 |
|
tumer |
chris:yep, and beers! |
| 16:03 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 16:03 |
|
thd |
tumer do you mean the director of BNF? |
| 16:03 |
|
chris |
i doubt it thd |
| 16:03 |
|
tumer |
Director of National Library of Turkey |
| 16:04 |
|
tumer |
They are about to be converted to KOHa |
| 16:04 |
|
chris |
rock on |
| 16:04 |
|
chris |
thats awesome |
| 16:04 |
|
thd |
tumer: I had not yet discovered where you were |
| 16:04 |
|
russ |
woo that is good news |
| 16:05 |
|
tumer |
with some development money. turkish translations the lot:) |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
great |
| 16:06 |
|
thd |
tumer:will they be converting wholly to Koha or just in part? |
| 16:06 |
|
tumer |
Thats why I have to get the system ready for 1.5M records soon |
| 16:06 |
|
tumer |
From Aleph to KOHA everything |
| 16:07 |
|
tumer |
On the line 2 universities converting from Millenium to KOHA |
| 16:07 |
|
thd |
tumer: I guess that answers my question if the total size is 1.5 million records. |
| 16:07 |
|
tumer |
Thats the first amount of records they are giving us |
| 16:08 |
|
thd |
tumer: what is the total size of the collection for the Turkish national library |
| 16:08 |
|
thd |
? |
| 16:09 |
|
tumer |
About 2.5million but they said they will put other archive on it up to 4M |
| 16:11 |
|
thd |
tumer: what distinguishes the content of the 1.5 M from 2.5 M and then 4 M? |
| 16:11 |
|
tumer |
1.5M books 1M manuscripts rest maps and photos |
| 16:12 |
|
thd |
tumer: do they use LC classification for the whole collection? |
| 16:13 |
|
tumer |
Dewey |
| 16:13 |
|
tumer |
We use LC |
| 16:13 |
|
tumer |
By sept we'll have 300K records on ours |
| 16:14 |
|
thd |
tumer: who is we? |
| 16:14 |
|
tumer |
Near East University Library-Cyprus |
| 16:15 |
|
tumer |
I have to go. G'night and bon nuit! |
| 16:15 |
|
thd |
good night tumer |
| 18:19 |
|
rach |
wow - that's pretty cool |
| 18:20 |
|
rach |
I wonder if we could do a release about the turky national library? |
| 03:08 |
|
hdl |
hello ToinS and paul |
| 03:08 |
|
ToinS |
hello ! |
| 03:08 |
|
paul |
hello aussi |
| 03:08 |
|
paul |
très mauvaise nuit qui explique mon absence d'hier soir : bébé jérémie a fait des siennes... |
| 03:08 |
|
paul |
(et madame n'était pas là !) |
| 03:09 |
|
paul |
j'ai lu les logs du meeting. |
| 03:09 |
|
paul |
pas mal de choses. j'espère qu'on pourra embarquer Tümer... |
| 03:09 |
|
paul |
il me semble être un bonne recrue ! |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
evening |
| 03:09 |
|
paul |
hi chris. |
| 03:10 |
|
paul |
you can tell russ that registrations for KohaCon grow quite rapidly. |
| 03:10 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 03:10 |
|
paul |
an announcement has been done on the largest mailing list (biblio-fr). |
| 03:10 |
|
chris |
i heard today that Irma is considering coming as well |
| 03:10 |
|
paul |
great. |
| 03:11 |
|
paul |
(for which meeting ?) |
| 03:12 |
|
chris |
the Paris one |
| 03:12 |
|
chris |
Un café, s'il vous plaît |
| 03:12 |
|
paul |
you've never been in France chris ? |
| 03:13 |
|
chris |
yep ive been to Paris before |
| 03:13 |
|
chris |
for 1 week, in 1999 |
| 03:13 |
|
paul |
so you already know how smiling "garcons de café" are... |
| 03:13 |
|
paul |
in Marseille, ppl are smiling much much more. |
| 03:14 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 03:14 |
|
chris |
this is a useful phrase |
| 03:14 |
|
chris |
Pardon, mais je ne parle pas français |
| 03:15 |
|
chris |
i found that if I tried to order in French, people were nice |
| 03:15 |
|
chris |
i think they appreciate you are trying |
| 03:18 |
|
paul |
everyone is right ;-) |
| 03:18 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 03:21 |
|
chris |
did you see Tumer say that the Director of the National Library of Turkey is coming? |
| 03:22 |
|
paul |
yep. Although I did not realize it was sure |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
some very interesting news from him at the meeting |
| 03:25 |
|
chris |
maybe we can do some press releases about it from the conference |
| 04:40 |
|
paul |
pierrick : |
| 04:40 |
|
paul |
http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/cvslog/ |
| 04:40 |
|
paul |
est un lien qui pourrait t'intéresser. |
| 04:41 |
|
paul |
plg est 25°, en forte progression. On surveille son activité, mais il pourrait rentrer rapidement dans le top 10 des développeurs... |
| 04:54 |
|
pierrick |
paul, erreur 404 |
| 04:55 |
|
paul |
et ca : |
| 04:55 |
|
paul |
http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/[…]builder_koha.html |
| 04:55 |
|
paul |
? |
| 04:55 |
|
pierrick |
paul, ce stats sont basées sur le nombre de commit, or j'ai l'habitude de faire plutôt peu de commits, mais gros, donc je risque d'être mal classé, mais je m'en remettrai :-) |
| 04:56 |
|
pierrick |
toujours pas |
| 04:56 |
|
paul |
c'est clair que acli commitait 5x par jour. |
| 04:56 |
|
paul |
ce qui explique son classement ! |
| 04:56 |
|
paul |
alors que proportionnellement, il a fait peu de choses (mais très précieuses) |
| 04:56 |
|
paul |
(les outils d'internationalisation principalement) |
| 04:56 |
|
pierrick |
là par exemple, je vais faire un gros commit |
| 04:57 |
|
paul |
does someone know how to have a smaller or larger cursor with CSS ? |
| 04:57 |
|
paul |
kados uses se-resize in MARC editor, but it's tricky to select what you want to resize |
| 04:57 |
|
paul |
(as the cursor is large, and the link small) |
| 04:58 |
|
paul |
http://i8.bureau.paulpoulain.c[…]mple/addbiblio.pl |
| 04:58 |
|
paul |
(login test/test) |
| 04:58 |
|
paul |
(the small abz just below 020 for example) |
| 05:00 |
|
pierrick |
my cursor is different over abz |
| 05:00 |
|
pierrick |
some kind of reversed arrow |
| 05:00 |
|
paul |
it's the se-resize |
| 05:00 |
|
paul |
(south-east resize) |
| 05:00 |
|
pierrick |
OK, is that Javascript ? |
| 05:01 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 05:01 |
|
paul |
(javascript is mandatory in librarian interface) |
| 05:01 |
|
pierrick |
I'm not Javascript expert at all, newbie in reality |
| 05:01 |
|
paul |
my problem is not a js one I think, but a css one. |
| 05:02 |
|
pierrick |
paul, I'm not sure you can modify cursor appearance with CSS |
| 05:08 |
|
pierrick |
huge commit done :-) |
| 05:08 |
|
slef |
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ui.html#cursor-props |
| 05:08 |
|
pierrick |
I'm going to send a mail on koha-devel to explain what pagination_bar function is and how it simplifies tempaltes |
| 05:09 |
|
pierrick |
slef, interesting |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
writing : |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ $pagination_bar.= |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ "\n".' ' |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ .'<a href="' |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ .$url.$previous |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ .'" rel="prev">' |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ .'<' |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ .'</a>' |
| 05:12 |
|
paul |
+ ; |
| 05:13 |
|
paul |
for sure you'll become the 1st commiter in term of lines soon ;-) |
| 05:13 |
|
paul |
(just a joke, i'm OK with this syntax, it's easy to read) |
| 05:14 |
|
slef |
< is the only link text? Hope the font's large! |
| 05:15 |
|
pierrick |
paul, my lines will never exceed 8 chars, but you're right on this example, I cut very early |
| 05:15 |
|
paul |
8 chars ? |
| 05:15 |
|
paul |
quite small :-D |
| 05:15 |
|
pierrick |
slef, I had to find a non language dependent string |
| 05:16 |
|
pierrick |
s{8(?:[^\d])}{80} |
| 07:24 |
|
hdl |
bonjour pierrick_ :D |
| 07:28 |
|
pierrick_ |
salut hdl |
| 08:34 |
|
paul |
hi shedges. |
| 08:35 |
|
paul |
(did I read correctly : you have a new job ?) |
| 08:35 |
|
paul |
yesterday : [19:15:59] <shedges> (There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) |
| 08:37 |
|
shedges |
yep. Executive Director of OPLIN, Ohio Public Library Information Network: www.oplin.org |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
position added to director of NPL ? or you have left NPL ? |
| 08:38 |
|
shedges |
I've left NPL. |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
www.oplin.org is down. |
| 08:38 |
|
paul |
the new director is known ? |
| 08:39 |
|
shedges |
I have to drive about 100 KM each day to get to this new job. |
| 08:39 |
|
shedges |
Yes, new director is the former assistant director |
| 08:39 |
|
paul |
bad. You plan to move ? |
| 08:39 |
|
shedges |
no, I don't plan to move. |
| 08:39 |
|
paul |
who was ... ? |
| 08:39 |
|
shedges |
(The roads are good, it's an easy drive) |
| 08:39 |
|
paul |
(did we meet him last year ?) |
| 08:39 |
|
shedges |
Assistant Director --> Director Lauren Miller (her) |
| 08:40 |
|
shedges |
No, she says we didn't let her meet you folks!! |
| 08:40 |
|
paul |
as director, she now can decide it'si mportant to come to France in May ;-) |
| 08:41 |
|
shedges |
right! |
| 08:41 |
|
shedges |
http://www.oplin.org/ working fine here |
| 08:42 |
|
paul |
"no anwser from the server" in France |
| 08:43 |
|
kados |
working here as well |
| 08:43 |
|
kados |
morning guys |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
hi kados. |
| 08:43 |
|
paul |
commiting some improvements to MARC editors in the next minutes. |
| 08:43 |
|
kados |
paul: great! |
| 08:44 |
|
paul |
( the + on a field works as on a subfield : without server call, only javascript. Was very easy once + on a subfield has been written ;-) ) |
| 08:44 |
|
kados |
paul: i got a start at re-writing the opencataloger spec |
| 08:44 |
|
kados |
paul: wow, great news! |
| 08:44 |
|
kados |
http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.p[…]catalogingproject |
| 08:44 |
|
paul |
ToinS is learning XUL & xmlHTTPrequest. |
| 08:44 |
|
kados |
great! |
| 08:44 |
|
paul |
seems to learn quite fast |
| 08:44 |
|
kados |
good news |
| 08:45 |
|
paul |
(& I won't say he don't, as he is reading the channel ;-) ) |
| 08:45 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 08:45 |
|
kados |
hi ToinS |
| 08:45 |
|
paul |
we spoke a little of our yesterday meeting. |
| 08:46 |
|
kados |
shedges: you might find the 'unapi' specification : http://unapi.info |
| 08:46 |
|
kados |
shedges: it was created by techno-librarians |
| 08:46 |
|
kados |
paul: yes? |
| 08:46 |
|
paul |
It seems to me that the client side should be unique, whatever we want to edit |
| 08:46 |
|
paul |
we will have 2 or maybe 3 webservices that will be different depending on sources |
| 08:47 |
|
paul |
(koha, Pines, something elst) |
| 08:47 |
|
ToinS |
hi kados |
| 08:47 |
|
paul |
and destination (koha, pines, a ftp server where you put iso2709 biblios...) |
| 08:48 |
|
paul |
a question : do we want to be able to edit something that is not MARCXML ? |
| 08:49 |
|
paul |
(like dublin core) |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 08:50 |
|
paul |
if yes, then we need to build an abstraction layer. |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
well, i think that's what miker had in mind |
| 08:50 |
|
paul |
something like an XSL to transform the input format in something generic for us. |
| 08:50 |
|
paul |
that's what I thought too. |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
http://open-ils.org/~miker/opencat.png |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
yes, XSLT might work well for that |
| 08:51 |
|
paul |
the question being : can such a stylesheet be written ? |
| 08:52 |
|
kados |
I think one probably already exists |
| 08:52 |
|
kados |
pines uses xslt for some things I think |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/marc2dc.html |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/dccross.html |
| 08:53 |
|
kados |
and also, the previous class's code uses a marc xslt stylesheet (probably the ones you link to above) |
| 08:53 |
|
paul |
pines uses DC internally ? |
| 08:53 |
|
kados |
no |
| 08:53 |
|
kados |
they use MODS |
| 08:53 |
|
kados |
kind of |
| 08:53 |
|
kados |
actually, they create their own 'meta records' |
| 08:54 |
|
kados |
http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ |
| 08:54 |
|
kados |
you'll have to ask miker for the particulars |
| 09:04 |
|
paul |
kados : addbiblio.tmpl commited. |
| 09:04 |
|
paul |
look for cloneTag |
| 09:04 |
|
paul |
(default templates) |
| 09:18 |
|
slef |
whoops, left myself idle here |
| 09:19 |
|
slef |
sorry all |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
paul: I'll check |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
paul: I have something to add as well |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
paul: in the NPL template, there is a new feature for 'auto-renew' a member |
| 09:25 |
|
kados |
paul: it needs to be adjusted to set the date to the one specified in sysprefs |
| 09:26 |
|
kados |
paul: also, note that the AdvancedMarcEditor syspref breaks the marc editor (at least it did for me) and I haven't h ad a chance to fix it yet |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
paul: and I thought it was going to be Koha 2.2.6, not Koha 2.4 ... |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
paul: I will have stephen change my documentation on kohadocs.org |
| 09:27 |
|
paul |
look at my commit, it seems to work for me (advMARCeditor) |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
shedges: did you catch that? :-) |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
paul: I will check it out |
| 09:27 |
|
paul |
mmm... I thought we all agree to call it 2.4.0 |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
sure, fine with me |
| 09:28 |
|
paul |
& it seems a good idea to me. |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
so 2.2 is no longer maintained then? |
| 09:28 |
|
paul |
right. I consider 2.4.0 as 2.2.x improvement. |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
ok, good |
| 09:28 |
|
paul |
(no change in the DB) |
| 09:28 |
|
kados |
right |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
+ easier to explain to customers that it's an important upgrade, with many new things. |
| 09:29 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
(I will have a bunch of questions to ask to most of them "did you see XXX. I think you'll be interested, do you want me to explain deeper the feature & set it up ?" |
| 09:32 |
|
kados |
right |
| 09:49 |
|
slef |
what tag is 2.4? savannah's webcvs doesn't work for me |
| 09:52 |
|
paul |
2.4.0 is still rel_2_2 |
| 09:52 |
|
paul |
I'll create a rel_2_4 after the release. |
| 09:53 |
|
slef |
thanks |
| 09:56 |
|
slef |
"The installer is *wrong* on languages available" -- why not mention that to me, instead of putting an "up yours" in the release notes? |
| 09:56 |
|
slef |
then I can fix it before release |
| 09:56 |
|
slef |
grmbl |
| 09:59 |
|
slef |
"Everything is previous versions" -- that means what? |
| 10:00 |
|
paul |
on which line ? |
| 10:00 |
|
paul |
found |
| 10:00 |
|
paul |
everything is compatible with previous versions |
| 10:01 |
|
paul |
2 words missing :-( |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
paul: i'll edit the release notes this afternoon |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
paul: it's on my list for today :-) |
| 10:02 |
|
paul |
kados : note that slef does it too. |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
ahh, in that case ... |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
slef: are you reading through/editing all of the release notes? |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
slef: or just certain sections? |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
slef: I'll leave it to you if you're already working on it |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
hey owen |
| 10:04 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 10:04 |
|
slef |
kados: I'm going through it all, checking for language, not content |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
slef: excellent |
| 10:05 |
|
slef |
apart from where I can't understand the language as a result! ;-) |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
slef: I'll leave that to you then :-) |
| 10:05 |
|
slef |
currently 51% done |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
hi owen. |
| 10:06 |
|
slef |
paul: neither English has spaces before ! and ? on end of sentences. I know that's hard, as I do the wrong thing in French again and again and again. |
| 10:06 |
|
paul |
thanks. I knew the rule for :, but not for ? or ! |
| 10:06 |
|
paul |
is there something that has a space before ? |
| 10:07 |
|
paul |
is there something that has a space before? |
| 10:07 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 10:07 |
|
slef |
I think : can be done either way, depending on situation, but not ?! |
| 10:08 |
|
slef |
I'm editing content: changing amazon bit "it's not legal" to "it may not be legal" and similar in line 101. I think claims of legality need more research and references than we want to put in the release notes. |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
right. good suggestion. |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
ahhh |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
hang on |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
I emailed amazon.com several months back |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
it's 100% legal |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
you can referece their terms of use |
| 10:11 |
|
paul |
in France, librarians tells me it's not legal without explicit permission from each editor. |
| 10:12 |
|
kados |
maybe we're talking about two different sides of 'legal' |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
seems to be really a problem : nobody tried, so nobody really knows, but everybody has an opinion ! |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
(in France I mean) |
| 10:12 |
|
kados |
is it legal for amazon to offer content to libraries? yes! |
| 10:12 |
|
kados |
is it legal for libraries to use the content, in france we don't know |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
is it legal in france to show the cover page : NO. |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
ahh ... a separate issue altogether |
| 10:13 |
|
slef |
kados: France has author's rights laws, a bit different to copyright law. So, I'd be cautious about this whole area :) |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
does amazon.fr show the cover page? |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
I see they do |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
in france, you can show the cover pages, but only if you ask for permission to the editor. |
| 10:14 |
|
paul |
(each editor I mean) |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
kados: do they have agreements with the producers and/or willing to test it in court? possibly. |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
Contador wins! |
| 10:14 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 10:14 |
|
paul |
I think a bookseller will never have problems with cover pages, as they ... sell the book ! |
| 10:14 |
|
kados |
right |
| 10:15 |
|
paul |
but libraries don't sell books. And a few years ago, editors wanted a fee from libraries each time the book was issued |
| 10:15 |
|
kados |
ok, but please don't frame it in a way that will scare folks away from usnig it :-) |
| 10:15 |
|
paul |
(something like 1F, 0,15¤) |
| 10:15 |
|
kados |
wow, that's crazy |
| 10:15 |
|
paul |
french government said "it's a cultur problem, not a seller one. so => no" |
| 10:16 |
|
paul |
but editors are still hidden in the dark, waiting for their prey... |
| 10:16 |
|
slef |
submarines :-( |
| 10:16 |
|
paul |
for example, libraries can issue DVD & VHS, but they have to pay a specific fee. |
| 10:17 |
|
slef |
checkin |
| 10:18 |
|
slef |
hrm, 1. Sanchez 2. Contador... guess that |
| 10:18 |
|
slef |
's the stage. I don't speak Euskal |
| 10:18 |
|
slef |
Euskara even |
| 10:18 |
|
slef |
Basque :) |
| 10:19 |
|
slef |
must annoy them that English uses the French name. |
| 10:24 |
|
slef |
kados: argh! don't top-post whole-quote, please! |
| 10:24 |
|
pierrick |
migration to Dokuwiki is well advanced, but there are still some syntax really hard to migrate |
| 10:25 |
|
slef |
pierrick: does/can Dokuwiki use http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TextFormattingRules ? |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
slef: argh! don't tell me not to do that, please! some people like top-posting |
| 10:27 |
|
pierrick |
slef, Dokuwiki is not compatible with the rules you gave me. You show me rules of the current wiki |
| 10:37 |
|
slef |
kados: some people like suiciding. Doesn't mean I must like it. |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
slef: what a comparison |
| 10:37 |
|
slef |
pierrick: so Dokuwiki can't use wiki text? |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
slef: that extra 200 bytes really makes a difference ;-) |
| 10:38 |
|
pierrick |
paul, slef does not like top-posting |
| 10:38 |
|
paul |
what is top-posting ? |
| 10:38 |
|
pierrick |
I don't either |
| 10:38 |
|
pierrick |
answering before the question |
| 10:38 |
|
slef |
paul: when the email says something like: |
| 10:39 |
|
paul |
ah, ok |
| 10:39 |
|
pierrick |
(is the logical reading order) |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
A. Because he went there. |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
> Q. Why did the chicken cross the road? |
| 10:39 |
|
paul |
answering before the question |
| 10:39 |
|
paul |
I hate it too ;-) |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
I scroll to end of quote and wonder why someone sent a message that only quoted. |
| 10:40 |
|
pierrick |
slef, you have to accept it. It's impossible to make everybody use logical rules |
| 10:40 |
|
paul |
I also hate 250 lines quoted for just 1 line "OK, thanks" at the end ! |
| 10:40 |
|
slef |
paul: that's called AOLing |
| 10:40 |
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kados |
hehe |
| 10:40 |
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pierrick |
the most important is to avoid mixing top posting and bottom posting |
| 10:40 |
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paul |
lol ! |
| 10:40 |
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pierrick |
(in the same mail) |
| 10:40 |
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slef |
pierrick: aye, but kados usually emails prettily, so seemed worth a 1-line IRC shriek |
| 10:41 |
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kados |
slef: :-) |
| 10:41 |
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slef |
http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html#quoting if anyone hasn't seen it before |
| 10:41 |
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pierrick |
(slef, I already read your site) |
| 10:41 |
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kados |
slef: I top-posted due to time constraints today ... and only time constraints :-) |
| 10:41 |
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kados |
slef: but now I've spent more time talking about top-posting than if I had just not top-posted |
| 10:42 |
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slef |
ah, reciprocality wins again! |
| 10:42 |
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kados |
heh |
| 10:42 |
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pierrick |
slef, Dokuwiki supporta another wiki syntax, and it works good. I've personnaly never seen two wiki systems using the same syntax, do you? |
| 10:42 |
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slef |
s/ality/ity/ |
| 10:43 |
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slef |
pierrick: TextFormattingRules, markdown and there's another one whose name forget |
| 10:43 |
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slef |
pierrick: one-off syntaxes annoy the hell out of me, as I can't remember N similar-but-different ones |
| 10:44 |
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slef |
"You are in a maze of twisty wiki-like markups, all different. Exits are DIE, DIE, DIE." |
| 10:44 |
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pierrick |
slef, I understand, my blog system and my wiki system don't use the same wiki syntax, I always forget the one goes where |
| 10:45 |
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pierrick |
anyway... dokuwiki is 95% ready |
| 10:45 |
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slef |
pierrick: OK if I open a low-priority bug for this? |
| 10:45 |
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pierrick |
slef, what are you talking about ?? |
| 10:45 |
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pierrick |
a bug where ? |
| 10:45 |
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slef |
pierrick: a bug on bugs.koha.org saying "wiki.koha.org should use a more common syntax" |
| 10:46 |
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pierrick |
what would be the purpose? this bug will never be corrected? Why not concentrating on real problems ? |
| 10:47 |
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pierrick |
owen, did you see the pagination_bar I commited today ? |
| 10:47 |
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slef |
pierrick: to remind me and to suggest to any casual newcomer; it might be fixed, unless you'll refuse to apply any fix; I think wiki being painful to edit is a problem. |
| 10:47 |
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pierrick |
I have to write a mail explaning |
| 10:48 |
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pierrick |
slef, Koha is not a wiki system. We won't rewrite a wiki system to make it compliant with an unexisting "common wiki formatting rules" |
| 10:49 |
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pierrick |
I don't know why Dokuwiki was chosen (maybe because it's the best GPL wiki system at the moment) |
| 10:50 |
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paul |
reading my release notes, I think they are complete, but not very sexy |
| 10:50 |
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paul |
I think something should be added at the beginning |
| 10:50 |
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owen |
pierrick, I saw the CVS log message about pagination_bar, and I like the sound of it even though I don't know what it is :) |
| 10:50 |
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slef |
pierrick: koha is using a wiki; you can't stop other developers working on things (but you can be an obstruction); and I mentioned more common wiki syntaxes already. |
| 10:51 |
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paul |
like "libraries said suggested some improvements. As usual, the Koha team listen carefully and we added features that rocks to your preffered ILS" |
| 10:51 |
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paul |
i'll add something like that in french release notes at least ! |
| 10:51 |
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slef |
paul: I guess the opening needs to cover Who What Where When How and Why. |
| 10:51 |
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paul |
I let native english write something better |
| 10:53 |
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pierrick |
slef, excuse me if you understood my saying as aggressive, I don't understand the point you make about formatting rules :-/ that's all |
| 10:53 |
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pierrick |
s{excuse me}{sorry} |
| 10:54 |
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kados |
slef: koha.org->VewCVS link is wrong, should be: https://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=koha |
| 10:54 |
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pierrick |
do I continue working on Dokuwiki migration or do we stay with "more common formatting rules" of the existing wiki? |
| 10:55 |
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slef |
pierrick: the point is having a one-off syntax makes the wiki harder for users to edit than it could be. |
| 10:55 |
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pierrick |
slef, this syntax exists? |
| 10:56 |
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slef |
Dokuwiki has plugins for Markdown and Textile at http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wik[…]ns#markup_schemes |
| 10:57 |
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pierrick |
concerning Dokuwiki migration, I have difficulties with the existing links syntax. There are many ways to make a link, some are not easy to match :-/ |
| 10:57 |
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slef |
could one of those be installed on wiki.koha.org ? |
| 10:58 |
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kados |
slef: tell me which ones you eant |
| 10:58 |
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slef |
I don't know bbcode, but I understand that's fairly common too |
| 10:58 |
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kados |
want even |
| 10:58 |
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slef |
pierrick: do either of those look easier/harder to migrate? |
| 10:59 |
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pierrick |
slef, I suppose I don't need to migrate syntax if Markdown syntax is supported. |
| 10:59 |
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kados |
k, I'll install that plugin |
| 10:59 |
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kados |
two secs |
| 11:01 |
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slef |
might be usemod from the looks of it |
| 11:01 |
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slef |
no, it says php |
| 11:01 |
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slef |
hrmph |
| 11:03 |
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kados |
pierrick: markdown installed |
| 11:03 |
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kados |
wait |
| 11:03 |
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kados |
one more step |
| 11:03 |
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pierrick |
kados, I'm going to install it too to check |
| 11:08 |
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kados |
pierrick: ok, it's installed on wiki.koha.org |
| 11:08 |
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kados |
pierrick: let me know if it doesn't work |
| 11:14 |
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pierrick |
kados, markdown doesn't seem to work :-/ I don't know if it's because the plugin doesn't work or because the syntax is not Markdown |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
pierrick: I think you have to enclose it in <markdown></markdown> tags |
| 11:16 |
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pierrick |
kados, :-) I did |
| 11:17 |
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pierrick |
(I always read the documentation before trying something) |
| 11:18 |
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shedges |
kados: just reading back -- I'll change 2.2.6 to 2.4 in your docs. |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
shedges: thanks! |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
pierrick: strange ... |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
pierrick: I don't even know what 'markup' is :-) |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
pierrick: does it work on your local install of dokuwiki? |
| 11:20 |
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pierrick |
markdown plugin seems to work because page rendering is different with and without <markdown> |
| 11:21 |
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pierrick |
my migration to Dokuwiki syntax works 95% |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
where, wiki.koha.org? or you local install? |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
pierrick: it's up to you how you want to do it |
| 11:21 |
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pierrick |
just a problem with some LinksLikeThat |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
pierrick: enable CamelCase in dokuwiki conf |
| 11:21 |
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pierrick |
slef will open 24 bugs on Bugzilla... |
| 11:22 |
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kados |
pierrick: that should make migration 100% :-) |
| 11:22 |
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kados |
pierrick: when is our first BSM (btw) |
| 11:23 |
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kados |
pierrick: if paul will release 2.4 on the 18th, maybe we could hold at least one BSM before that (hopefully two) |
| 11:24 |
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paul |
kados/pierrick : next week hdl & me will mostly be away |
| 11:24 |
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pierrick |
kados, camelcase is fine :-) |
| 11:25 |
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kados |
paul: ahh, ok |
| 11:25 |
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kados |
paul: so no bug squashing then :-) |
| 11:27 |
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pierrick |
kados, do you want to receive a dokuwiki.tar.gz ? |
| 11:32 |
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kados |
pierrick: sure |
| 11:34 |
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kados |
pierrick: email it to me and I will put it on wiki.koha.org right away |
| 11:34 |
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paul |
reading you tomorrow folks |
| 11:36 |
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kados |
night paul_away |
| 11:36 |
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pierrick |
too big file for mail |
| 11:37 |
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pierrick |
http://le-gall.net/pierrick/te[…]006-03-09.tar.bz2 |
| 11:38 |
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pierrick |
I'm not sure it's the last mysql dump of the wiki. But I can rerun the script I wrote on the last mysql dump if needed |
| 11:42 |
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pierrick |
read you tomorrow, I really have to send a mail to koha-devel explaining how pagination_bar works... |
