Time Nick Message 11:42 pierrick read you tomorrow, I really have to send a mail to koha-devel explaining how pagination_bar works... 11:38 pierrick I'm not sure it's the last mysql dump of the wiki. But I can rerun the script I wrote on the last mysql dump if needed 11:37 pierrick http://le-gall.net/pierrick/temp/dokuwiki-2006-03-09.tar.bz2 11:36 pierrick too big file for mail 11:36 kados night paul_away 11:34 paul reading you tomorrow folks 11:34 kados pierrick: email it to me and I will put it on wiki.koha.org right away 11:32 kados pierrick: sure 11:27 pierrick kados, do you want to receive a dokuwiki.tar.gz ? 11:25 kados paul: so no bug squashing then :-) 11:25 kados paul: ahh, ok 11:24 pierrick kados, camelcase is fine :-) 11:24 paul kados/pierrick : next week hdl & me will mostly be away 11:23 kados pierrick: if paul will release 2.4 on the 18th, maybe we could hold at least one BSM before that (hopefully two) 11:22 kados pierrick: when is our first BSM (btw) 11:22 kados pierrick: that should make migration 100% :-) 11:21 pierrick slef will open 24 bugs on Bugzilla... 11:21 kados pierrick: enable CamelCase in dokuwiki conf 11:21 pierrick just a problem with some LinksLikeThat 11:21 kados pierrick: it's up to you how you want to do it 11:21 kados where, wiki.koha.org? or you local install? 11:21 pierrick my migration to Dokuwiki syntax works 95% 11:20 pierrick markdown plugin seems to work because page rendering is different with and without <markdown> 11:20 kados pierrick: does it work on your local install of dokuwiki? 11:20 kados pierrick: I don't even know what 'markup' is :-) 11:19 kados pierrick: strange ... 11:19 kados shedges: thanks! 11:18 shedges kados: just reading back -- I'll change 2.2.6 to 2.4 in your docs. 11:17 pierrick (I always read the documentation before trying something) 11:16 pierrick kados, :-) I did 11:14 kados pierrick: I think you have to enclose it in <markdown></markdown> tags 11:14 pierrick kados, markdown doesn't seem to work :-/ I don't know if it's because the plugin doesn't work or because the syntax is not Markdown 11:08 kados pierrick: let me know if it doesn't work 11:08 kados pierrick: ok, it's installed on wiki.koha.org 11:03 pierrick kados, I'm going to install it too to check 11:03 kados one more step 11:03 kados wait 11:03 kados pierrick: markdown installed 11:01 slef hrmph 11:01 slef no, it says php 11:01 slef might be usemod from the looks of it 10:59 kados two secs 10:59 kados k, I'll install that plugin 10:59 pierrick slef, I suppose I don't need to migrate syntax if Markdown syntax is supported. 10:58 slef pierrick: do either of those look easier/harder to migrate? 10:58 kados want even 10:58 slef I don't know bbcode, but I understand that's fairly common too 10:58 kados slef: tell me which ones you eant 10:57 slef could one of those be installed on wiki.koha.org ? 10:57 pierrick concerning Dokuwiki migration, I have difficulties with the existing links syntax. There are many ways to make a link, some are not easy to match :-/ 10:56 slef Dokuwiki has plugins for Markdown and Textile at http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki%3Aplugins#markup_schemes 10:55 pierrick slef, this syntax exists? 10:55 slef pierrick: the point is having a one-off syntax makes the wiki harder for users to edit than it could be. 10:54 pierrick do I continue working on Dokuwiki migration or do we stay with "more common formatting rules" of the existing wiki? 10:54 kados slef: koha.org->VewCVS link is wrong, should be: https://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=koha 10:53 pierrick s{excuse me}{sorry} 10:53 pierrick slef, excuse me if you understood my saying as aggressive, I don't understand the point you make about formatting rules :-/ that's all 10:51 paul I let native english write something better 10:51 slef paul: I guess the opening needs to cover Who What Where When How and Why. 10:51 paul i'll add something like that in french release notes at least ! 10:51 paul like "libraries said suggested some improvements. As usual, the Koha team listen carefully and we added features that rocks to your preffered ILS" 10:50 slef pierrick: koha is using a wiki; you can't stop other developers working on things (but you can be an obstruction); and I mentioned more common wiki syntaxes already. 10:50 owen pierrick, I saw the CVS log message about pagination_bar, and I like the sound of it even though I don't know what it is :) 10:50 paul I think something should be added at the beginning 10:50 paul reading my release notes, I think they are complete, but not very sexy 10:49 pierrick I don't know why Dokuwiki was chosen (maybe because it's the best GPL wiki system at the moment) 10:48 pierrick slef, Koha is not a wiki system. We won't rewrite a wiki system to make it compliant with an unexisting "common wiki formatting rules" 10:47 pierrick I have to write a mail explaning 10:47 slef pierrick: to remind me and to suggest to any casual newcomer; it might be fixed, unless you'll refuse to apply any fix; I think wiki being painful to edit is a problem. 10:47 pierrick owen, did you see the pagination_bar I commited today ? 10:46 pierrick what would be the purpose? this bug will never be corrected? Why not concentrating on real problems ? 10:45 slef pierrick: a bug on bugs.koha.org saying "wiki.koha.org should use a more common syntax" 10:45 pierrick a bug where ? 10:45 pierrick slef, what are you talking about ?? 10:45 slef pierrick: OK if I open a low-priority bug for this? 10:45 pierrick anyway... dokuwiki is 95% ready 10:44 pierrick slef, I understand, my blog system and my wiki system don't use the same wiki syntax, I always forget the one goes where 10:44 slef "You are in a maze of twisty wiki-like markups, all different. Exits are DIE, DIE, DIE." 10:43 slef pierrick: one-off syntaxes annoy the hell out of me, as I can't remember N similar-but-different ones 10:43 slef pierrick: TextFormattingRules, markdown and there's another one whose name forget 10:42 slef s/ality/ity/ 10:42 pierrick slef, Dokuwiki supporta another wiki syntax, and it works good. I've personnaly never seen two wiki systems using the same syntax, do you? 10:42 kados heh 10:42 slef ah, reciprocality wins again! 10:41 kados slef: but now I've spent more time talking about top-posting than if I had just not top-posted 10:41 kados slef: I top-posted due to time constraints today ... and only time constraints :-) 10:41 pierrick (slef, I already read your site) 10:41 slef http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html#quoting if anyone hasn't seen it before 10:41 kados slef: :-) 10:40 slef pierrick: aye, but kados usually emails prettily, so seemed worth a 1-line IRC shriek 10:40 pierrick (in the same mail) 10:40 paul lol ! 10:40 pierrick the most important is to avoid mixing top posting and bottom posting 10:40 kados hehe 10:40 slef paul: that's called AOLing 10:40 paul I also hate 250 lines quoted for just 1 line "OK, thanks" at the end ! 10:40 pierrick slef, you have to accept it. It's impossible to make everybody use logical rules 10:39 slef I scroll to end of quote and wonder why someone sent a message that only quoted. 10:39 paul I hate it too ;-) 10:39 paul answering before the question 10:39 slef > Q. Why did the chicken cross the road? 10:39 slef A. Because he went there. 10:39 pierrick (is the logical reading order) 10:39 paul ah, ok 10:38 slef paul: when the email says something like: 10:38 pierrick answering before the question 10:38 pierrick I don't either 10:38 paul what is top-posting ? 10:38 pierrick paul, slef does not like top-posting 10:37 kados slef: that extra 200 bytes really makes a difference ;-) 10:37 slef pierrick: so Dokuwiki can't use wiki text? 10:37 kados slef: what a comparison 10:37 slef kados: some people like suiciding. Doesn't mean I must like it. 10:27 pierrick slef, Dokuwiki is not compatible with the rules you gave me. You show me rules of the current wiki 10:25 kados slef: argh! don't tell me not to do that, please! some people like top-posting 10:25 slef pierrick: does/can Dokuwiki use http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TextFormattingRules ? 10:24 pierrick migration to Dokuwiki is well advanced, but there are still some syntax really hard to migrate 10:24 slef kados: argh! don't top-post whole-quote, please! 10:19 slef must annoy them that English uses the French name. 10:18 slef Basque :) 10:18 slef Euskara even 10:18 slef 's the stage. I don't speak Euskal 10:18 slef hrm, 1. Sanchez 2. Contador... guess that 10:17 slef checkin 10:16 paul for example, libraries can issue DVD & VHS, but they have to pay a specific fee. 10:16 slef submarines :-( 10:16 paul but editors are still hidden in the dark, waiting for their prey... 10:15 paul french government said "it's a cultur problem, not a seller one. so => no" 10:15 kados wow, that's crazy 10:15 paul (something like 1F, 0,15¤) 10:15 kados ok, but please don't frame it in a way that will scare folks away from usnig it :-) 10:15 paul but libraries don't sell books. And a few years ago, editors wanted a fee from libraries each time the book was issued 10:14 kados right 10:14 paul I think a bookseller will never have problems with cover pages, as they ... sell the book ! 10:14 kados :-) 10:14 slef Contador wins! 10:14 slef kados: do they have agreements with the producers and/or willing to test it in court? possibly. 10:14 paul (each editor I mean) 10:13 paul in france, you can show the cover pages, but only if you ask for permission to the editor. 10:13 kados I see they do 10:13 kados does amazon.fr show the cover page? 10:13 slef kados: France has author's rights laws, a bit different to copyright law. So, I'd be cautious about this whole area :) 10:13 kados ahh ... a separate issue altogether 10:13 paul is it legal in france to show the cover page : NO. 10:12 kados is it legal for libraries to use the content, in france we don't know 10:12 kados is it legal for amazon to offer content to libraries? yes! 10:12 paul (in France I mean) 10:12 paul seems to be really a problem : nobody tried, so nobody really knows, but everybody has an opinion ! 10:12 kados maybe we're talking about two different sides of 'legal' 10:11 paul in France, librarians tells me it's not legal without explicit permission from each editor. 10:11 kados you can referece their terms of use 10:11 kados it's 100% legal 10:11 kados I emailed amazon.com several months back 10:10 kados hang on 10:10 kados ahhh 10:09 paul right. good suggestion. 10:08 slef I'm editing content: changing amazon bit "it's not legal" to "it may not be legal" and similar in line 101. I think claims of legality need more research and references than we want to put in the release notes. 10:07 slef I think : can be done either way, depending on situation, but not ?! 10:07 paul ;-) 10:07 paul is there something that has a space before? 10:06 paul is there something that has a space before ? 10:06 paul thanks. I knew the rule for :, but not for ? or ! 10:06 slef paul: neither English has spaces before ! and ? on end of sentences. I know that's hard, as I do the wrong thing in French again and again and again. 10:05 paul hi owen. 10:05 slef currently 51% done 10:05 kados slef: I'll leave that to you then :-) 10:05 slef apart from where I can't understand the language as a result! ;-) 10:05 kados slef: excellent 10:04 slef kados: I'm going through it all, checking for language, not content 10:04 owen Hi 10:03 kados hey owen 10:03 kados slef: I'll leave it to you if you're already working on it 10:03 kados slef: or just certain sections? 10:03 kados slef: are you reading through/editing all of the release notes? 10:03 kados ahh, in that case ... 10:02 paul kados : note that slef does it too. 10:02 kados paul: it's on my list for today :-) 10:02 kados paul: i'll edit the release notes this afternoon 10:01 paul 2 words missing :-( 10:00 paul everything is compatible with previous versions 10:00 paul found 10:00 paul on which line ? 09:59 slef "Everything is previous versions" -- that means what? 09:56 slef grmbl 09:56 slef then I can fix it before release 09:56 slef "The installer is *wrong* on languages available" -- why not mention that to me, instead of putting an "up yours" in the release notes? 09:53 slef thanks 09:52 paul I'll create a rel_2_4 after the release. 09:52 paul 2.4.0 is still rel_2_2 09:49 slef what tag is 2.4? savannah's webcvs doesn't work for me 09:32 kados right 09:29 paul (I will have a bunch of questions to ask to most of them "did you see XXX. I think you'll be interested, do you want me to explain deeper the feature & set it up ?" 09:29 kados yep 09:29 paul + easier to explain to customers that it's an important upgrade, with many new things. 09:28 kados right 09:28 paul (no change in the DB) 09:28 kados ok, good 09:28 paul right. I consider 2.4.0 as 2.2.x improvement. 09:28 kados so 2.2 is no longer maintained then? 09:28 kados yep 09:28 paul & it seems a good idea to me. 09:28 kados sure, fine with me 09:27 paul mmm... I thought we all agree to call it 2.4.0 09:27 kados paul: I will check it out 09:27 kados shedges: did you catch that? :-) 09:27 paul look at my commit, it seems to work for me (advMARCeditor) 09:27 kados paul: I will have stephen change my documentation on kohadocs.org 09:27 kados paul: and I thought it was going to be Koha 2.2.6, not Koha 2.4 ... 09:26 kados paul: also, note that the AdvancedMarcEditor syspref breaks the marc editor (at least it did for me) and I haven't h ad a chance to fix it yet 09:25 kados paul: it needs to be adjusted to set the date to the one specified in sysprefs 09:25 kados paul: in the NPL template, there is a new feature for 'auto-renew' a member 09:25 kados paul: I have something to add as well 09:25 kados paul: I'll check 09:19 slef sorry all 09:18 slef whoops, left myself idle here 09:04 paul (default templates) 09:04 paul look for cloneTag 09:04 paul kados : addbiblio.tmpl commited. 08:54 kados you'll have to ask miker for the particulars 08:54 kados http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ 08:53 kados actually, they create their own 'meta records' 08:53 kados kind of 08:53 kados they use MODS 08:53 kados no 08:53 paul pines uses DC internally ? 08:53 kados and also, the previous class's code uses a marc xslt stylesheet (probably the ones you link to above) 08:52 paul http://www.loc.gov/marc/dccross.html 08:52 paul http://www.loc.gov/marc/marc2dc.html 08:52 kados pines uses xslt for some things I think 08:52 kados I think one probably already exists 08:51 paul the question being : can such a stylesheet be written ? 08:50 kados yes, XSLT might work well for that 08:50 kados http://open-ils.org/~miker/opencat.png 08:50 paul that's what I thought too. 08:50 paul something like an XSL to transform the input format in something generic for us. 08:50 kados well, i think that's what miker had in mind 08:50 paul if yes, then we need to build an abstraction layer. 08:50 kados yes 08:49 paul (like dublin core) 08:48 paul a question : do we want to be able to edit something that is not MARCXML ? 08:47 paul and destination (koha, pines, a ftp server where you put iso2709 biblios...) 08:47 ToinS hi kados 08:47 paul (koha, Pines, something elst) 08:46 paul we will have 2 or maybe 3 webservices that will be different depending on sources 08:46 paul It seems to me that the client side should be unique, whatever we want to edit 08:46 kados paul: yes? 08:46 kados shedges: it was created by techno-librarians 08:46 kados shedges: you might find the 'unapi' specification : http://unapi.info 08:45 paul we spoke a little of our yesterday meeting. 08:45 kados hi ToinS 08:45 kados hehe 08:45 paul (& I won't say he don't, as he is reading the channel ;-) ) 08:44 kados good news 08:44 paul seems to learn quite fast 08:44 kados great! 08:44 paul ToinS is learning XUL & xmlHTTPrequest. 08:44 kados http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.php?id=catalogingproject 08:44 kados paul: wow, great news! 08:44 kados paul: i got a start at re-writing the opencataloger spec 08:44 paul ( the + on a field works as on a subfield : without server call, only javascript. Was very easy once + on a subfield has been written ;-) ) 08:43 kados paul: great! 08:43 paul commiting some improvements to MARC editors in the next minutes. 08:43 paul hi kados. 08:43 kados morning guys 08:43 kados working here as well 08:42 paul "no anwser from the server" in France 08:41 shedges http://www.oplin.org/ working fine here 08:41 shedges right! 08:40 paul as director, she now can decide it'si mportant to come to France in May ;-) 08:40 shedges No, she says we didn't let her meet you folks!! 08:39 shedges Assistant Director --> Director Lauren Miller (her) 08:39 paul (did we meet him last year ?) 08:39 shedges (The roads are good, it's an easy drive) 08:39 paul who was ... ? 08:39 shedges no, I don't plan to move. 08:39 paul bad. You plan to move ? 08:39 shedges Yes, new director is the former assistant director 08:39 shedges I have to drive about 100 KM each day to get to this new job. 08:38 paul the new director is known ? 08:38 paul www.oplin.org is down. 08:38 shedges I've left NPL. 08:38 paul position added to director of NPL ? or you have left NPL ? 08:37 shedges yep. Executive Director of OPLIN, Ohio Public Library Information Network: www.oplin.org 08:35 paul yesterday : [19:15:59] <shedges> (There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) 08:35 paul (did I read correctly : you have a new job ?) 08:34 paul hi shedges. 07:28 pierrick_ salut hdl 07:24 hdl bonjour pierrick_ :D 05:16 pierrick s{8(?:[^\d])}{80} 05:15 pierrick slef, I had to find a non language dependent string 05:15 paul quite small :-D 05:15 paul 8 chars ? 05:15 pierrick paul, my lines will never exceed 8 chars, but you're right on this example, I cut very early 05:14 slef < is the only link text? Hope the font's large! 05:13 paul (just a joke, i'm OK with this syntax, it's easy to read) 05:13 paul for sure you'll become the 1st commiter in term of lines soon ;-) 05:12 paul + ; 05:12 paul + .'</a>' 05:12 paul + .'<' 05:12 paul + .'" rel="prev">' 05:12 paul + .$url.$previous 05:12 paul + .'<a href="' 05:12 paul + "\n".' ' 05:12 paul + $pagination_bar.= 05:12 paul writing : 05:09 pierrick slef, interesting 05:08 pierrick I'm going to send a mail on koha-devel to explain what pagination_bar function is and how it simplifies tempaltes 05:08 slef http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ui.html#cursor-props 05:08 pierrick huge commit done :-) 05:02 pierrick paul, I'm not sure you can modify cursor appearance with CSS 05:01 paul my problem is not a js one I think, but a css one. 05:01 pierrick I'm not Javascript expert at all, newbie in reality 05:01 paul (javascript is mandatory in librarian interface) 05:01 paul yep. 05:00 pierrick OK, is that Javascript ? 05:00 paul (south-east resize) 05:00 paul it's the se-resize 05:00 pierrick some kind of reversed arrow 05:00 pierrick my cursor is different over abz 04:58 paul (the small abz just below 020 for example) 04:58 paul (login test/test) 04:58 paul http://i8.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl 04:57 paul (as the cursor is large, and the link small) 04:57 paul kados uses se-resize in MARC editor, but it's tricky to select what you want to resize 04:57 paul does someone know how to have a smaller or larger cursor with CSS ? 04:56 pierrick là par exemple, je vais faire un gros commit 04:56 paul (les outils d'internationalisation principalement) 04:56 paul alors que proportionnellement, il a fait peu de choses (mais très précieuses) 04:56 paul ce qui explique son classement ! 04:56 paul c'est clair que acli commitait 5x par jour. 04:56 pierrick toujours pas 04:55 pierrick paul, ce stats sont basées sur le nombre de commit, or j'ai l'habitude de faire plutôt peu de commits, mais gros, donc je risque d'être mal classé, mais je m'en remettrai :-) 04:55 paul ? 04:55 paul http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/cvslog/cvschangelogbuilder_koha.html 04:55 paul et ca : 04:54 pierrick paul, erreur 404 04:41 paul plg est 25°, en forte progression. On surveille son activité, mais il pourrait rentrer rapidement dans le top 10 des développeurs... 04:40 paul est un lien qui pourrait t'intéresser. 04:40 paul http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/cvslog/ 04:40 paul pierrick : 03:25 chris maybe we can do some press releases about it from the conference 03:24 chris some very interesting news from him at the meeting 03:22 paul yep. Although I did not realize it was sure 03:21 chris did you see Tumer say that the Director of the National Library of Turkey is coming? 03:18 chris :) 03:18 paul everyone is right ;-) 03:15 chris i think they appreciate you are trying 03:15 chris i found that if I tried to order in French, people were nice 03:14 chris Pardon, mais je ne parle pas français 03:14 chris this is a useful phrase 03:14 chris :) 03:13 paul in Marseille, ppl are smiling much much more. 03:13 paul so you already know how smiling "garcons de café" are... 03:13 chris for 1 week, in 1999 03:13 chris yep ive been to Paris before 03:12 paul you've never been in France chris ? 03:12 chris Un café, s'il vous plaît 03:12 chris the Paris one 03:11 paul (for which meeting ?) 03:10 paul great. 03:10 chris i heard today that Irma is considering coming as well 03:10 paul an announcement has been done on the largest mailing list (biblio-fr). 03:10 chris excellent 03:10 paul you can tell russ that registrations for KohaCon grow quite rapidly. 03:09 paul hi chris. 03:09 chris evening 03:09 paul il me semble être un bonne recrue ! 03:09 paul pas mal de choses. j'espère qu'on pourra embarquer Tümer... 03:09 paul j'ai lu les logs du meeting. 03:08 paul (et madame n'était pas là !) 03:08 paul très mauvaise nuit qui explique mon absence d'hier soir : bébé jérémie a fait des siennes... 03:08 paul hello aussi 03:08 ToinS hello ! 03:08 hdl hello ToinS and paul 18:20 rach I wonder if we could do a release about the turky national library? 18:19 rach wow - that's pretty cool 16:15 thd good night tumer 16:15 tumer I have to go. G'night and bon nuit! 16:14 tumer Near East University Library-Cyprus 16:14 thd tumer: who is we? 16:13 tumer By sept we'll have 300K records on ours 16:13 tumer We use LC 16:13 tumer Dewey 16:12 thd tumer: do they use LC classification for the whole collection? 16:11 tumer 1.5M books 1M manuscripts rest maps and photos 16:11 thd tumer: what distinguishes the content of the 1.5 M from 2.5 M and then 4 M? 16:09 tumer About 2.5million but they said they will put other archive on it up to 4M 16:08 thd ? 16:08 thd tumer: what is the total size of the collection for the Turkish national library 16:07 tumer Thats the first amount of records they are giving us 16:07 thd tumer: I guess that answers my question if the total size is 1.5 million records. 16:07 tumer On the line 2 universities converting from Millenium to KOHA 16:06 tumer From Aleph to KOHA everything 16:06 tumer Thats why I have to get the system ready for 1.5M records soon 16:06 thd tumer:will they be converting wholly to Koha or just in part? 16:05 chris great 16:05 tumer with some development money. turkish translations the lot:) 16:04 russ woo that is good news 16:04 thd tumer: I had not yet discovered where you were 16:04 chris thats awesome 16:04 chris rock on 16:04 tumer They are about to be converted to KOHa 16:03 tumer Director of National Library of Turkey 16:03 chris i doubt it thd 16:03 thd tumer do you mean the director of BNF? 16:03 chris :) 16:03 tumer chris:yep, and beers! 16:03 chris i know there are great cafe's in paris :-) 16:02 chris and talk development issues 16:02 chris we can have a meeting after the conference on one of the nights 16:02 chris that would be best for the director 16:02 chris ahhh 16:02 tumer I am also a bit pushed as I want to bring the National library director with me. It may have to be Paris 16:01 pierrick slef: well you're right, I had forgotten what he had said a few month ago :-) 16:01 chris ok, thanks from me as well, i better go get some coffee and start work 16:01 slef had me worried 16:01 chris yep, i was joking 16:01 slef <kados> so meeting's closed :-) 16:01 slef chris: I think the meeting was closed up there ^^ wasn't it? 16:01 slef pierrick: so all those suburb youths a few months ago shouting his name while throwing firebombs wasn't Sarkozy's fault? ;-) 16:01 chris ohh french politics .. this meeting could go on for hours :-) 16:00 chris we'll 16:00 pierrick slef: Sarkozy does not say things stupid, it's Chirac and Villepin job :-) Sarkozy plays with media and barely make mistakes 16:00 chris yeah, well sort something out :) 16:00 slef give me an AV or SIP or even IRC feed! ;-) 16:00 hdl Time to go to bed. 15:59 hdl thanks for all the information everybody. 15:59 chris if that helps you decide tumer? 15:59 chris but Marseilles is where we will be concentrating on the development side 15:59 slef pierrick: wait a few days and Sarkozy will say something stupid to start it again 15:59 hdl agress. 15:59 chris paris will be good too 15:58 slef I def can't make Marseilles, as I booked a trip the following weekend, like 3 days before I read about kohacon. 15:58 pierrick tomorrow is another big strikes day but I think the movement is "decreasing" 15:58 chris fair enough 15:57 slef chris: I try to avoid flying and dumping CO2 in the atmosphere, when there are usually cool trains to use. 15:57 chris marseilles would be the most useful i think tumer 15:57 slef chris: Mayday tends to be a pretty popular strike time, what with Labour day then too 15:57 chris slef, russ and I will be transiting heathrow on the 30th .. can u fit i a suitcase? 15:56 tumer Should I come to Paris or Marseilles? 15:56 kados so meeting's closed :-) 15:56 slef Mayday<fx:mumbles /> 15:56 chris still strikes on slef? 15:56 kados slef: no kidding, it's crazy in france right now :-) 15:56 pierrick tumer: if you have problems with CVS, you can ask me on #koha 15:56 kados ok, I've got another meeting to go 15:56 kados tumer garip rocks ! :-) 15:55 kados yea, beers are on me too :-) 15:55 kados hehe 15:55 tumer More than youy know 15:55 chris if so, i figure we owe you a few beers at the koha conference :) 15:55 chris tumer: do you drink alcohol? 15:55 tumer also have backup system 15:55 kados excellent! 15:54 tumer I'll commit them if I learn this CVS 15:54 kados yea, maybe you should be the release manager, I'll be the assiatant :-) 15:54 kados more code for us to steal :-) 15:54 tumer yep 15:54 chris cool 15:54 kados so you've already done that :-) 15:54 tumer I already have that on mine 15:54 kados ahh, cool 15:54 tumer have a password protected connection for updating 15:54 kados tumer: there's a passwdc: option 15:53 kados tumer: easy to fix 15:53 chris yeah that needs to be fixed 15:53 tumer have two connections 15:53 tumer I dont like anonymous acces with rw privileges 15:53 tumer RPN is very fast but not friendly 15:53 kados tumer: while we're all here 15:53 kados tumer: or right now you can suggest them 15:52 chris thats right 15:52 thd slef: I believe RPN is used at a low level below CQL. 15:52 kados tumer: koha-devel 15:52 tumer I wanna suggest some changes to zoom connectins and so on who do I do that? 15:52 kados ok ... great 15:52 pierrick kados: sure 15:52 kados and in fact, pierrick, could we talk tomorrow about that? 15:52 kados I haven't had a chance to test pierrick's method yet 15:52 kados which I added 15:51 kados final item is UNICODE status for head 15:51 chris i have a bunch of marc data to fight with today anyway 15:51 chris no problemo 15:51 kados excellent, thanks tumer! 15:51 tumer Chris the code will be with you tomorrow its on the server that I cannot reach at the momemnt 15:51 slef Reverse Polish Notation, I know 15:50 tumer PQf or RPN whatever you wanna call it. 15:50 kados tumer: sure 15:49 tumer waiting for me? 15:49 slef What's PQF? ;-) 15:49 kados w00t even :-) 15:49 kados s00t 15:48 chris fantastic 15:48 tumer I have no CQL running all PQF waiting for you chaps. but I had to have it working very quickly. i'll send all the code to chris 15:46 chris g 15:46 chris and then it will be merging/tidying and packagin 15:46 slef thd: later. 15:46 chris we are about there, i just need to see tumer's code 15:46 thd slef it is true that even GPL V3 was vapourware for 4 years but it is promised to ship on time unlike Microsoft stuff next year 15:46 chris basically i think between what tumer and joshua and I have done 15:45 kados (running off the UPS now) 15:45 tumer so did i 15:45 kados so if my internet goes away, that's why 15:45 chris ok 15:45 kados I just lost power 15:44 kados so Perl-ZOOM plugin 15:44 pierrick kados: OK 15:44 kados we should move on because tumer must be getting tired :-) 15:44 kados pierrick: great, in that case, go for it 15:43 slef thd: and LPI will release xamnet, Ubuntu will release Rosetta, and CC will release a version that is usable for free software, later. Vapourware. Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. 15:43 pierrick PEM is an online application, quite a simple one in fact, but I didn't find anything like it 15:43 thd pierrick: I will explain the GNU Free Documentation License to you later 15:43 kados pierrick: in that case, go for it 15:43 pierrick slef: no manual for now 15:43 kados pierrick: I missunderstood what PEM is 15:43 kados pierrick: I see ... 15:42 slef pierrick: does it have no manuals? 15:42 pierrick kados: what do you mean "PEM framework integration into Koha" ? I had a mind a "PEM installation on koha.org" 15:42 kados pierrick: unless I'm misreading what your suggestion is 15:42 chris yes slef 15:42 kados pierrick: but I can tell you right now, I won't be able to spend any time on it other than seeing how ti works 15:42 slef chris: "Warning: We don't approve it. If it breaks then you get to keep both pieces." 15:41 thd slef: FDL will be revised to correct that problem after GPL V3 15:41 pierrick slef: PEM is not a manual, it's an application (and I don't really understand what you mean with "adware FDL") 15:41 kados pierrick: so if you have time to spend integrating a PEM framework into Koha, by all means do 15:41 kados pierrick: 3.0 development is going at a snails pace 15:41 kados pierrick: we're very short-handed right now 15:40 kados pierrick: here's my take 15:40 slef pierrick: someone told me gna.org required you to use the adware FDL for manuals. 15:40 chris a nice disclaimer would be good too 15:39 pierrick slef: what do you mean "manual GPL" ? PEM is under GPL. 15:39 tumer something like that 15:39 slef tumer: should we have http://extensions.unofficial.koha.org/ ? 15:39 kados chris: kohazilla.org :-) 15:39 chris but id like to at least get somewhere people can put up their templates, and firefox extensions for now 15:39 pierrick kados: a virtual friend wrote it for PhpWebGallery and we are working together to improve it and to make it generic 15:39 slef pierrick: is its manual GPL? 15:38 thd tumer: it should be easy to check until there are a nontrivial number of extensions and then I agree it would be a problem for checking 15:38 tumer pierrick: extensions on official site messing up installations could be damaging 15:38 chris and that might be our end goal 15:38 kados hold on guys, pierrick is in fact the project admin for PEM 15:38 pierrick tumer: extensions are shared among users, we can't check every extension 15:38 slef chris: I'm thinking more of an extension framework a bit more than shove-it-in-a-zip 15:38 kados pierrick: this is your project? :-) 15:37 pierrick tumer: extensions are not official 15:37 chris slef: yep they will require feedback 15:37 pierrick PEM requires improvement, I'm working on it 15:37 slef chris: helping them with how to write good patches or mod scripts is probably essential too. 15:37 tumer thd: so pierrick checks every extension? 15:36 pierrick https://gna.org/projects/pem/ 15:36 thd tumer: the QA manager would be pierrick 15:36 chris slef: true, we could let users rank them 15:36 pierrick the project page or a demo ? 15:35 slef russ: speedy. 15:35 slef chris: having rankings and details of what's inside (patch files, and so on) would be a big big help. Almost no contribution author ever writes "here you go, but my work is crap". 15:35 tumer who checks that a script extension does not really mess up customers installation 15:35 kados pierrick: got a url? 15:35 pierrick kados: of course 15:35 kados pierrick: so you're suggesting we actually use PEM? 15:35 pierrick you can filter extensions compatible with you Koha 3.0.1 installation 15:34 pierrick in PEM, each extension has several revision, and each each revision of an extension is compatible with a/some Koha releases 15:34 chris slef: i see that as the extension writers problem 15:34 slef tumer: need to make them easy to install, easy to develop, easy to understand, well-documented, promoted, and so on. 15:34 pierrick tumer: I think first of templates, not code 15:33 chris quite a few people tumer 15:33 tumer do we expect these extensions to pour in? who else but us writing code? 15:33 slef as someone whose work includes installing oscommerce contributions, I'd like to say FCOL NOOOooo...! 15:33 chris has the desire 15:33 thd MODs are mods. :) 15:33 chris and then we can build a fancy plugin handler if/when time permits or someone 15:33 kados ok, sorry to have overstepped the scope, I've got visions you know :-) 15:33 pierrick kados: PEM is the PhpWebGallery Extension Manager, it is GPL software :-) 15:32 chris yeah, thats what pierrick was planning i think 15:32 pierrick thd: code modifications 15:32 kados thd: modifications 15:32 kados so maybe just a simple way to upload / download / document 15:32 thd pierrick: what are MODs? 15:32 chris yep 15:32 kados we've already got a lot on our plate with 3.0 15:32 pierrick chris: that's what I do elsewhere and it works well 15:32 kados chris: good point 15:32 chris if we try to aim on building a plugin handler, in a years time we still wont have an extensions site :-) 15:32 pierrick chris: I agree 15:31 pierrick thd: plugin or MODs are other kind of extensions. They are features not officialy added 15:31 chris then thats a great first step 15:31 chris much like user contribs to oscommerce say 15:31 chris if there was a place for people to upload their extensions and others to download .. and we left the installation/uninstallation documentation up to the extension writers 15:30 slef hi russ 15:30 pierrick thd: for example a template is clearly an extension. Only 2 templates in standard : PROG and default 15:30 kados hey russ 15:30 kados pierrick: agreed,, but it would also help us narrow down a definition of the core functionality of an 'ILS' 15:30 chris i think we dont want to reach to far to start 15:30 thd hello russ 15:30 pierrick hi russ 15:30 russ hi everyone 15:30 thd pierrick: what would distinguish extensions from base code? 15:30 pierrick kados: a plugin manager is a complicated task, very complicated 15:29 kados I'm guessing more like http://mamboxchange.com/ 15:29 pierrick slef: yeah, more like http://phpwebgallery.net/ext in fact ;-) 15:28 slef like http://modules.apache.org/ ? 15:28 pierrick each extension would have a README explaining how to install and uninstall I suppose 15:28 kados it would really be cool to have an extensions framework like Mambo or Wordpress 15:28 kados we also need some way to 'install' and 'uninstall' extensions I bet 15:28 pierrick an extension can be a new template, a translation, an additional tool 15:27 pierrick the extension manager would be an online application where users would share their extensions 15:27 pierrick I've proposed kados to help him preparing a Koha extension manager 15:26 pierrick kados: right 15:26 chris id probably just set up an rsync cron job to do the mirroring slef but we can cover that when russ is around 15:26 kados pierrick: wanna talk about the Extension Manager? 15:26 kados slef: all set on the blogs plan? 15:26 slef ok, I'm done, if there are no more www or blogs questions/requests. 15:26 kados sure 15:25 slef kados: can we revisit one meeting when russ is here to tell us how to mirror? 15:25 kados in fact, that could be a mirror of the koha.org site 15:25 kados you can check out the web repo 15:25 kados yea, someone wanna spruce that up? 15:25 slef pierrick: http://koha.nongnu.org/ is a bit empty, though :-D 15:24 chris thats fine 15:24 slef I'll just change the href URL, if that's OK. 15:24 slef I don't mind, but it seemed odd for it to have a link. 15:24 chris to the blog aggregator? ... yeah i reckon so 15:24 kados yea, as 'Blogs', definitely 15:24 slef chris: should the link be on www.koha.org? 15:23 chris where would you like it pointed slef? 15:23 chris i look after the dns 15:23 slef pierrick: there are two or three pages for each savannah project. I'd rather link to the RM's preferred one! 15:23 chris nowhere? 15:23 slef Does anyone know where blogs.koha.org is pointing? 15:23 kados excellent 15:23 pierrick slef: I thought every Koha members knew Savannah Koha page :-/ 15:23 kados and will be hosted on liblime.com 15:22 slef There will be an upgrade to owu.towers.org.uk "soon" which will make the koha blogs look like the main site 15:22 kados however, I'm planning on putting together a new blog shortly that will just be about libraries and open source 15:22 chris (sourceforge) 15:22 chris ahh that sneaked on when russ did the koha conf bit 15:22 kados ok, moving along ... New blogs plan? 15:21 slef pierrick: not right now. Why? 15:21 kados I think I have editor access but I've long forgotten the url/user/pass :-) 15:21 pierrick slef: are you joking ? 15:21 kados https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/koha 15:20 slef kados: OK, I'll get that. New URL? 15:20 kados should be Koha at Savannah 15:20 slef Also, if you have suggestions to improve accessibility, let me know (spotted another one today) 15:20 kados on the front page 15:20 kados Koha at Sourceforge 15:20 kados one thing to change: 15:20 slef Main web editing - I have editor access to www.koha.org now. I don't know if I'm the first European, so if you want to discuss updates in English daytime, I'm here. 15:20 kados Main Web Editing 15:19 thd I think it matters for giving a good impression of Koha to those who have not investigated enough to look past mere appearance 15:19 kados slef: so over to you 15:19 kados slef: I'll ask that question in my email 15:19 pierrick I'll ask him a dump :-) 15:19 slef ok, I'm out of questions on wiki for now. 15:18 kados ok, cool, thanks 15:18 kados ahh 15:18 chris rog@saas.nsw.edu.au 15:18 chris he is australian :) 15:18 slef kados: no! 15:18 chris no 15:18 kados chris: roger at hrothgar.co.uk is that it? 15:18 pierrick I customized my Dokuwiki a little, it was easy 15:18 slef or whether it matters at all to anyone :) 15:17 pierrick slef: I know many Dokuwiki installation very "customized" so I suppose CSS is used to manage look&feel 15:17 slef kados: yes, whether it's easier to use as dokuwiki-look, or would be better looking like koha.org 15:17 kados slef: prefer as far as look and feel? 15:16 slef kados: can you ask what people would prefer, in your announcement email? 15:16 kados slef: I haven't checked, but if you want to work on that I'd be happy to upload any new css files 15:16 slef kados: how css'able is it? Might be able to control it from www.koha.org/includes/css/ 15:15 chris ill have to look on the devel list and find it 15:15 kados slef: i wasn't intending to change the tempalte 15:15 chris umm 15:15 kados slef: that's a good question 15:15 slef kados: Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? 15:15 kados chris: can you get Roger's email to pierrick? 15:15 chris which might make it easier 15:15 kados ooh ... that'd be nice 15:15 chris he may even be able to provide a mysql dump 15:15 kados ok slef, you're up ... three items right? 15:14 chris yep 15:14 slef chris: particularly if there will be much data downloaded. 15:14 kados there was a thread about this a while ago 15:14 kados right 15:14 chris good point we should drop roger buck (who runs saas.nsw.edu.au) an email 15:14 kados pierrick: yes 15:14 pierrick spam tracker on dokuwiki ? 15:13 pierrick on dokuwiki? 15:13 kados thd: we'll try that for a while and if it doesn't work I can add user permissions 15:13 slef Is saas.nsw.edu.au OK with the change? 15:13 kados thd: that filters by content 15:13 kados thd: nope, there's an internal spam tracker 15:13 thd kados: and presumably it will be open password protected against spam. 15:13 kados pierrick: current state is enough 15:12 pierrick do we need to import history or is current state enough? 15:12 kados pierrick: great! thanks. 15:12 pierrick kados: yes 15:12 kados pierrick: you'll volunteer? 15:12 slef Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? 15:12 pierrick I am 15:12 kados I'll post a mail to koha-devel about it soon 15:12 kados so if there are any volunteers for that let me know 15:11 kados we need to transfer data from the old wiki to the new one at some point 15:11 kados s/sites/servers/ 15:10 kados the wiki is hosted in the US on one of liblime's sites 15:10 thd and what does main web editing mean? 15:10 kados http://wiki.koha.org 15:10 slef me, but isn't wiki first? 15:10 kados we've a new wiki: 15:10 kados wait ... one more announcement 15:09 kados now, who added 'Main web editing'? 15:09 kados so ... welcome to Tumer 15:09 kados and still be able to use Koha with that index 15:08 kados he also provided us with the proper way to index zebra from the command line 15:08 kados for instance, his installation updates zebra with each circulation of an item 15:08 tumer well than I'm releasing myself of all evil! 15:08 kados tumer's made some very impressive leaps forward in terms of zebra integration 15:07 thd tumer: if you are the release assistant, then a release assistant does whatever it is that you do :) 15:07 tumer yep. for the site go 212.175.151.135:8000 user:test pass:test2 superlibrarian privileges 15:07 kados it basically means help me :-) 15:07 pierrick helping kados I suppose 15:06 kados hehe, it's a title we're inventing for you :-) 15:06 tumer hi all. I dont even know a release assistant does 15:05 pierrick yeah :-) welcome Tumer 15:05 kados tumer: can you show everyone your test site? 15:05 kados second, I've asked Tumer to become the 'Release Assistant' since he has shown so much initiative in developing perl-zoom 15:05 pierrick I'll answer more officialy on koha-devel 15:05 pierrick correct 15:04 kados pierrick: that's correct, right? 15:04 kados pierrick will be our new QA Manager ... he has had approval from INEO as I understand it 15:04 thd I am here now 15:04 kados so first up, a few announcements 15:04 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06apr03 15:04 kados meeting agenda is here: 15:04 hdl hi 15:03 kados I think we should start early for the sake of our GMT+ folks 15:03 kados nice crowd today 15:03 kados hi hdl :-) 15:03 pierrick it seems hdl is here :-) 15:03 kados right 15:03 pierrick (and antoine) 15:03 pierrick I have absolutely no idea about hdl and paul 15:03 hdl hi there. 15:02 slef pierrick: defense de rigoler en seance! 15:02 kados pierrick: do you know if paul will be here, or hdl? 15:02 pierrick kados & slef: I know :-) it was some kind of a joke, I won't do it again, sorry ;-) 15:02 chris i am 15:02 slef j'ai cru que la francais dit le meme chose, mais je sais pas 15:01 kados chris or russ around yet? 15:01 kados and looks like no kiwis are here ... 15:01 kados pierrick: one instance where American and English agree :-) 15:00 slef pierrick: we usually say "good night" at end of day, going home, off to sleep 15:00 kados pierrick: though strangely, you can say 'good evening' as a greeting :-) 15:00 kados pierrick: in english, 'good night' usually means 'good bye', and is not normally a greeting 15:00 pierrick slef: you don't have kids I suppose? time is everything 14:59 slef pierrick: time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. 14:59 tumer and 11pm for me :-( 14:59 pierrick slef: I didn't say "good bye" :-) 14:59 pierrick slef: it's 10PM for me :-) 14:58 slef pierrick: not staying for the meeting? 14:58 tumer gnight 14:58 pierrick good night #koha 14:56 kados ho z0rglub 14:56 slef not sure how well it does cvs, but emacs's cvs menus are quite friendly 14:56 kados I haven't used windows for so long I forget what works and doesn't :-) 14:56 tumer and never used CVS ! 14:56 kados ahh, good point 14:55 slef kados: emacs runs on Windows 14:55 kados slef: tumer uses Windows 14:55 slef if you've the command line cvs client, just download emacs and use the menus ;-) 14:55 tumer thanks! 14:55 kados tumer: now we just need to get you set up with a CVS client :-) 14:54 kados tumer: ok, you're added to the project :-) 14:54 tumer kados:just did 14:53 kados slef: feel free to add stuff to the agenda if you have anything to discuss 14:53 kados MEETING AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm 14:53 kados hiya slef 14:53 kados tumer: your account hasn't appeared yet 14:52 tumer tgarip1957 14:52 kados tumer: what's your username? 14:51 tumer kados: I registerd with savannah 14:50 kados AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm 14:50 kados T-MINUS 15 MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING 14:44 kados yep, good idea 14:43 tumer MarcEdit by Terry Reese is an example -freeware 14:41 tumer well as far as I know there are simple programs around like MARCEdit that lets you convert a text file to MARC. Simply export you db as tab delimited text and convert them to marc 14:39 griffjon it has title, author, and I'm intending on adding ISBN using a barcode scanner I have 14:39 griffjon they're just in an access db that a previous it guy put together 14:37 kados that's what we do for our customers who don't need full MARC 14:37 kados convert your data to minimal MARC data, then import using the bulkmarcimport.pl script 14:36 kados but probably your best bet is writing a script based on MARC::Record 14:36 tumer griffon:what format do you have the records now? 14:36 kados hmmm ... kohadocs.org would be a good place to look 14:34 griffjon is there a database schema anywhere such that I could write an SQL query to move the data over? 14:34 griffjon I'll look at that 14:34 griffjon hmmmm 14:34 kados griffjon: that may work for you 14:34 griffjon I've already set it to not worry about branches, etc., but for record import, the only information I've found is to go through a marc system 14:34 kados griffjon: you should be able to turn MARC off in the systempreferences 14:33 kados griffjon: Koha can be customized to make it much simpler for your needs 14:33 griffjon is there a way to import book records without using MARC records? I have titles and will have ISBNs, but don't have/want/need full MARC information 14:32 griffjon I'm trying to implement Koha as a simple library check-in-check-out system for our office's resource books (~500 books, tapes, DVDs), but I'm finding Koha to be way more than I need, and a bit difficult to work with 14:29 tumer I am very confused with this utf8 problems you are all having! 14:28 kados thx 14:28 tumer very nice designs at liblime:-) 14:28 kados and NPL is one of our clients :-) 14:28 kados now I operate LibLime.com :-) 14:27 kados I began as the sys admin for Nelsonville 14:27 kados excellent :-) 14:27 tumer Yep I'm the director of university library, I do this just for fun! 14:26 kados great, let me know your username and I'll add you to the project 14:26 tumer I'll sign up on savannah 14:25 kados tumer: are you an employee of a library or a contractor? 14:25 kados right 14:25 tumer that will mean 1.5M records on KOHA 14:24 kados wow, fantastic! 14:24 tumer And even may be the NAtional Library of Turkey is interested. I'm taking the director to Paris 14:24 kados tumer: https://savannah.nongnu.org/account/register.php 14:23 kados excellent! 14:23 tumer I've got universities in Turkey wanting to know more about KOHA coming to Cyprus to see us. 14:23 kados tumer: you also need to sign up at savannah: 14:23 tumer I'll look into CVS thing 14:22 kados http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ 14:22 kados I hear that TortoiseCVS is quite nice 14:22 kados especially on Windows 14:22 tumer I have just managed to have LC indexing sorted out 14:22 kados you will find that CVS is quite easy to use 14:21 tumer I am working on sort by relevance 14:21 kados oooh ... great point! 14:21 tumer we can use this sort of screen in KohaCon to prove ZEBRA vs Mysql cause its just radio button selection 14:20 kados tumer: it may be better for you than sort by title ... 14:20 kados tumer: did you see the echange about 'sort by relevance'? 14:20 kados so development has been quite slow 14:19 kados we're very short handed 14:19 kados :-) 14:19 kados we definitely need to get you involved in 3.0 14:19 kados very nice 14:19 tumer yes 14:19 kados ie, holdingbranch/status? 14:19 kados do you update Zebra with every checkout? 14:19 tumer nop I'am waiting you chaps for that -easy to upgrade 14:18 kados ahh, not CQL, eh? 14:18 tumer exept that everthing is PQF 14:18 kados chris: you around? 14:18 kados very nice work Tumer 14:17 kados boolean 14:17 kados excellent! 14:17 tumer go to catalogue search 14:17 kados we have discussed having one for rel_2_2 14:17 kados I like the useZOOM syspref :-) 14:16 kados great! 14:16 tumer when I discuss things I thought it will be better if I can get people to see what I mean 14:16 kados nice 'barcode' search 14:16 kados ok, I'm logged in 14:15 kados working 14:15 kados ok 14:15 tumer changed firewall, pls try again 14:13 tumer our lines are very slow, I'll check firewall 14:12 kados is there a firewall? 14:12 kados it's timing out or else very very slow 14:12 kados I'll try 14:10 tumer kados: can you try 212.175.151.135:8000 with user=test pass=test2 whether you can connect? 14:08 kados In fact, I hope our friends from France make it tonght 13:59 tumer great;-) 13:59 kados yay :-) 13:58 kados not /tumer 13:58 kados /me goes for coffee 13:58 kados well, actually 13:58 kados just /tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados no : 13:58 kados heh 13:58 tumer :tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados start with the / 13:58 tumer :/ tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados /tumer goes for coffee 13:57 kados no, just: 13:57 tumer type:/ tumer goes for coffee 13:57 kados it looks like: 13:56 kados /me does something 13:56 kados type: 13:56 tumer kados how do you write these special messages in different colours? 13:55 kados yikes, even worse, so the mtg is 11:00PM for you 13:54 tumer kados: Yep I forgot about daylight. Then I'm GMT+3 13:54 tumer well not exactly a turkish cypriot! 13:53 kados maybe due to daylight-savings? 13:53 kados http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=195 13:53 kados Paris seems to be GMT + 2 right now 13:52 kados even 'kados' is a greek word :-) 13:52 kados :-) 13:52 kados kaire! 13:52 kados tumer: no kidding ... /me studied classical languages (greek and latin) as an undergrad 13:51 kados tumer: greece? 13:50 tumer I am in Cyprus 13:49 kados really? 13:49 tumer they are GMT+1 an hr early 13:49 kados tumer: good news is you are in the same timezone as Frenchies 13:49 tumer even quality vinegar is expensive:-) 13:48 kados I'm afraid I am turning to vinegar with regards to dancing :-) 13:48 kados good point 13:48 kados hehe 13:48 tumer well I used to salsa but with age wine matures! 13:47 kados ouch, so it will be 10:00pm for you ... 13:46 kados I liked to Rumba :-) 13:46 kados great! I was never very good at Tango 13:46 tumer GMT +2 13:46 tumer I am taking Tango lessons 13:46 kados what timezone are you in? 13:46 kados http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2006&month=4&day=3&hour=20&min=0&sec=0 13:46 kados tumer: the mtg does not start until 20:00 ... what time is that for you? 13:45 kados you have a Tango / Milonga class? 13:44 tumer Well i am missing my Tango milonga for this and hope doing the right thing 13:43 kados I'm _very_ happy to see you here :-) 13:43 kados no problem :-) 13:43 tumer kados: sorry I am trying to sort this mIRC thing 13:34 kados tumer: I asked some additional questions and also asked about your timestamp export script 13:33 kados tumer: did you see my other email (public one) sent to you over the weekend? 13:33 kados welcome back tumer :-) 12:25 kados heh 12:15 shedges (There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) 12:15 shedges BUSY! 12:15 shedges hey kados! 12:14 Tmr Hi everyone I am quite new to this IRC thing I hope I manage t'night 12:07 kados shedges: how's the new office? :-) 12:07 kados shedges: you too :-) 12:07 kados Tmr: welcome :-) 12:06 kados Tmr: hi there!