Time Nick Message 12:06 kados Tmr: hi there! 12:07 kados Tmr: welcome :-) 12:07 kados shedges: you too :-) 12:07 kados shedges: how's the new office? :-) 12:14 Tmr Hi everyone I am quite new to this IRC thing I hope I manage t'night 12:15 shedges hey kados! 12:15 shedges BUSY! 12:15 shedges (There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) 12:25 kados heh 13:33 kados welcome back tumer :-) 13:33 kados tumer: did you see my other email (public one) sent to you over the weekend? 13:34 kados tumer: I asked some additional questions and also asked about your timestamp export script 13:43 tumer kados: sorry I am trying to sort this mIRC thing 13:43 kados no problem :-) 13:43 kados I'm _very_ happy to see you here :-) 13:44 tumer Well i am missing my Tango milonga for this and hope doing the right thing 13:45 kados you have a Tango / Milonga class? 13:46 kados tumer: the mtg does not start until 20:00 ... what time is that for you? 13:46 kados http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2006&month=4&day=3&hour=20&min=0&sec=0 13:46 kados what timezone are you in? 13:46 tumer I am taking Tango lessons 13:46 tumer GMT +2 13:46 kados great! I was never very good at Tango 13:46 kados I liked to Rumba :-) 13:47 kados ouch, so it will be 10:00pm for you ... 13:48 tumer well I used to salsa but with age wine matures! 13:48 kados hehe 13:48 kados good point 13:48 kados I'm afraid I am turning to vinegar with regards to dancing :-) 13:49 tumer even quality vinegar is expensive:-) 13:49 kados tumer: good news is you are in the same timezone as Frenchies 13:49 tumer they are GMT+1 an hr early 13:49 kados really? 13:50 tumer I am in Cyprus 13:51 kados tumer: greece? 13:52 kados tumer: no kidding ... /me studied classical languages (greek and latin) as an undergrad 13:52 kados kaire! 13:52 kados :-) 13:52 kados even 'kados' is a greek word :-) 13:53 kados Paris seems to be GMT + 2 right now 13:53 kados http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=195 13:53 kados maybe due to daylight-savings? 13:54 tumer well not exactly a turkish cypriot! 13:54 tumer kados: Yep I forgot about daylight. Then I'm GMT+3 13:55 kados yikes, even worse, so the mtg is 11:00PM for you 13:56 tumer kados how do you write these special messages in different colours? 13:56 kados type: 13:56 kados /me does something 13:57 kados it looks like: 13:57 tumer type:/ tumer goes for coffee 13:57 kados no, just: 13:58 kados /tumer goes for coffee 13:58 tumer :/ tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados start with the / 13:58 tumer :tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados heh 13:58 kados no : 13:58 kados just /tumer goes for coffee 13:58 kados well, actually 13:58 kados /me goes for coffee 13:58 kados not /tumer 13:59 kados yay :-) 13:59 tumer great;-) 14:08 kados In fact, I hope our friends from France make it tonght 14:10 tumer kados: can you try 212.175.151.135:8000 with user=test pass=test2 whether you can connect? 14:12 kados I'll try 14:12 kados it's timing out or else very very slow 14:12 kados is there a firewall? 14:13 tumer our lines are very slow, I'll check firewall 14:15 tumer changed firewall, pls try again 14:15 kados ok 14:15 kados working 14:16 kados ok, I'm logged in 14:16 kados nice 'barcode' search 14:16 tumer when I discuss things I thought it will be better if I can get people to see what I mean 14:16 kados great! 14:17 kados I like the useZOOM syspref :-) 14:17 kados we have discussed having one for rel_2_2 14:17 tumer go to catalogue search 14:17 kados excellent! 14:17 kados boolean 14:18 kados very nice work Tumer 14:18 kados chris: you around? 14:18 tumer exept that everthing is PQF 14:18 kados ahh, not CQL, eh? 14:19 tumer nop I'am waiting you chaps for that -easy to upgrade 14:19 kados do you update Zebra with every checkout? 14:19 kados ie, holdingbranch/status? 14:19 tumer yes 14:19 kados very nice 14:19 kados we definitely need to get you involved in 3.0 14:19 kados :-) 14:19 kados we're very short handed 14:20 kados so development has been quite slow 14:20 kados tumer: did you see the echange about 'sort by relevance'? 14:20 kados tumer: it may be better for you than sort by title ... 14:21 tumer we can use this sort of screen in KohaCon to prove ZEBRA vs Mysql cause its just radio button selection 14:21 kados oooh ... great point! 14:21 tumer I am working on sort by relevance 14:22 kados you will find that CVS is quite easy to use 14:22 tumer I have just managed to have LC indexing sorted out 14:22 kados especially on Windows 14:22 kados I hear that TortoiseCVS is quite nice 14:22 kados http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ 14:23 tumer I'll look into CVS thing 14:23 kados tumer: you also need to sign up at savannah: 14:23 tumer I've got universities in Turkey wanting to know more about KOHA coming to Cyprus to see us. 14:23 kados excellent! 14:24 kados tumer: https://savannah.nongnu.org/account/register.php 14:24 tumer And even may be the NAtional Library of Turkey is interested. I'm taking the director to Paris 14:24 kados wow, fantastic! 14:25 tumer that will mean 1.5M records on KOHA 14:25 kados right 14:25 kados tumer: are you an employee of a library or a contractor? 14:26 tumer I'll sign up on savannah 14:26 kados great, let me know your username and I'll add you to the project 14:27 tumer Yep I'm the director of university library, I do this just for fun! 14:27 kados excellent :-) 14:27 kados I began as the sys admin for Nelsonville 14:28 kados now I operate LibLime.com :-) 14:28 kados and NPL is one of our clients :-) 14:28 tumer very nice designs at liblime:-) 14:28 kados thx 14:29 tumer I am very confused with this utf8 problems you are all having! 14:32 griffjon I'm trying to implement Koha as a simple library check-in-check-out system for our office's resource books (~500 books, tapes, DVDs), but I'm finding Koha to be way more than I need, and a bit difficult to work with 14:33 griffjon is there a way to import book records without using MARC records? I have titles and will have ISBNs, but don't have/want/need full MARC information 14:33 kados griffjon: Koha can be customized to make it much simpler for your needs 14:34 kados griffjon: you should be able to turn MARC off in the systempreferences 14:34 griffjon I've already set it to not worry about branches, etc., but for record import, the only information I've found is to go through a marc system 14:34 kados griffjon: that may work for you 14:34 griffjon hmmmm 14:34 griffjon I'll look at that 14:34 griffjon is there a database schema anywhere such that I could write an SQL query to move the data over? 14:36 kados hmmm ... kohadocs.org would be a good place to look 14:36 tumer griffon:what format do you have the records now? 14:36 kados but probably your best bet is writing a script based on MARC::Record 14:37 kados convert your data to minimal MARC data, then import using the bulkmarcimport.pl script 14:37 kados that's what we do for our customers who don't need full MARC 14:39 griffjon they're just in an access db that a previous it guy put together 14:39 griffjon it has title, author, and I'm intending on adding ISBN using a barcode scanner I have 14:41 tumer well as far as I know there are simple programs around like MARCEdit that lets you convert a text file to MARC. Simply export you db as tab delimited text and convert them to marc 14:43 tumer MarcEdit by Terry Reese is an example -freeware 14:44 kados yep, good idea 14:50 kados T-MINUS 15 MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING 14:50 kados AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm 14:51 tumer kados: I registerd with savannah 14:52 kados tumer: what's your username? 14:52 tumer tgarip1957 14:53 kados tumer: your account hasn't appeared yet 14:53 kados hiya slef 14:53 kados MEETING AGENDA: http://tinyurl.com/prmcm 14:53 kados slef: feel free to add stuff to the agenda if you have anything to discuss 14:54 tumer kados:just did 14:54 kados tumer: ok, you're added to the project :-) 14:55 kados tumer: now we just need to get you set up with a CVS client :-) 14:55 tumer thanks! 14:55 slef if you've the command line cvs client, just download emacs and use the menus ;-) 14:55 kados slef: tumer uses Windows 14:55 slef kados: emacs runs on Windows 14:56 kados ahh, good point 14:56 tumer and never used CVS ! 14:56 kados I haven't used windows for so long I forget what works and doesn't :-) 14:56 slef not sure how well it does cvs, but emacs's cvs menus are quite friendly 14:56 kados ho z0rglub 14:58 pierrick good night #koha 14:58 tumer gnight 14:58 slef pierrick: not staying for the meeting? 14:59 pierrick slef: it's 10PM for me :-) 14:59 pierrick slef: I didn't say "good bye" :-) 14:59 tumer and 11pm for me :-( 14:59 slef pierrick: time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. 15:00 pierrick slef: you don't have kids I suppose? time is everything 15:00 kados pierrick: in english, 'good night' usually means 'good bye', and is not normally a greeting 15:00 kados pierrick: though strangely, you can say 'good evening' as a greeting :-) 15:00 slef pierrick: we usually say "good night" at end of day, going home, off to sleep 15:01 kados pierrick: one instance where American and English agree :-) 15:01 kados and looks like no kiwis are here ... 15:01 kados chris or russ around yet? 15:02 slef j'ai cru que la francais dit le meme chose, mais je sais pas 15:02 chris i am 15:02 pierrick kados & slef: I know :-) it was some kind of a joke, I won't do it again, sorry ;-) 15:02 kados pierrick: do you know if paul will be here, or hdl? 15:02 slef pierrick: defense de rigoler en seance! 15:03 hdl hi there. 15:03 pierrick I have absolutely no idea about hdl and paul 15:03 pierrick (and antoine) 15:03 kados right 15:03 pierrick it seems hdl is here :-) 15:03 kados hi hdl :-) 15:03 kados nice crowd today 15:03 kados I think we should start early for the sake of our GMT+ folks 15:04 hdl hi 15:04 kados meeting agenda is here: 15:04 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06apr03 15:04 kados so first up, a few announcements 15:04 thd I am here now 15:04 kados pierrick will be our new QA Manager ... he has had approval from INEO as I understand it 15:04 kados pierrick: that's correct, right? 15:05 pierrick correct 15:05 pierrick I'll answer more officialy on koha-devel 15:05 kados second, I've asked Tumer to become the 'Release Assistant' since he has shown so much initiative in developing perl-zoom 15:05 kados tumer: can you show everyone your test site? 15:05 pierrick yeah :-) welcome Tumer 15:06 tumer hi all. I dont even know a release assistant does 15:06 kados hehe, it's a title we're inventing for you :-) 15:07 pierrick helping kados I suppose 15:07 kados it basically means help me :-) 15:07 tumer yep. for the site go 212.175.151.135:8000 user:test pass:test2 superlibrarian privileges 15:07 thd tumer: if you are the release assistant, then a release assistant does whatever it is that you do :) 15:08 kados tumer's made some very impressive leaps forward in terms of zebra integration 15:08 tumer well than I'm releasing myself of all evil! 15:08 kados for instance, his installation updates zebra with each circulation of an item 15:08 kados he also provided us with the proper way to index zebra from the command line 15:09 kados and still be able to use Koha with that index 15:09 kados so ... welcome to Tumer 15:09 kados now, who added 'Main web editing'? 15:10 kados wait ... one more announcement 15:10 kados we've a new wiki: 15:10 slef me, but isn't wiki first? 15:10 kados http://wiki.koha.org 15:10 thd and what does main web editing mean? 15:10 kados the wiki is hosted in the US on one of liblime's sites 15:11 kados s/sites/servers/ 15:11 kados we need to transfer data from the old wiki to the new one at some point 15:12 kados so if there are any volunteers for that let me know 15:12 kados I'll post a mail to koha-devel about it soon 15:12 pierrick I am 15:12 slef Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? 15:12 kados pierrick: you'll volunteer? 15:12 pierrick kados: yes 15:12 kados pierrick: great! thanks. 15:12 pierrick do we need to import history or is current state enough? 15:13 kados pierrick: current state is enough 15:13 thd kados: and presumably it will be open password protected against spam. 15:13 kados thd: nope, there's an internal spam tracker 15:13 kados thd: that filters by content 15:13 slef Is saas.nsw.edu.au OK with the change? 15:13 kados thd: we'll try that for a while and if it doesn't work I can add user permissions 15:13 pierrick on dokuwiki? 15:14 pierrick spam tracker on dokuwiki ? 15:14 kados pierrick: yes 15:14 chris good point we should drop roger buck (who runs saas.nsw.edu.au) an email 15:14 kados right 15:14 kados there was a thread about this a while ago 15:14 slef chris: particularly if there will be much data downloaded. 15:14 chris yep 15:15 kados ok slef, you're up ... three items right? 15:15 chris he may even be able to provide a mysql dump 15:15 kados ooh ... that'd be nice 15:15 chris which might make it easier 15:15 kados chris: can you get Roger's email to pierrick? 15:15 slef kados: Will it look like koha.org before it's activated? 15:15 kados slef: that's a good question 15:15 chris umm 15:15 kados slef: i wasn't intending to change the tempalte 15:15 chris ill have to look on the devel list and find it 15:16 slef kados: how css'able is it? Might be able to control it from www.koha.org/includes/css/ 15:16 kados slef: I haven't checked, but if you want to work on that I'd be happy to upload any new css files 15:16 slef kados: can you ask what people would prefer, in your announcement email? 15:17 kados slef: prefer as far as look and feel? 15:17 slef kados: yes, whether it's easier to use as dokuwiki-look, or would be better looking like koha.org 15:17 pierrick slef: I know many Dokuwiki installation very "customized" so I suppose CSS is used to manage look&feel 15:18 slef or whether it matters at all to anyone :) 15:18 pierrick I customized my Dokuwiki a little, it was easy 15:18 kados chris: roger at hrothgar.co.uk is that it? 15:18 chris no 15:18 slef kados: no! 15:18 chris he is australian :) 15:18 chris rog@saas.nsw.edu.au 15:18 kados ahh 15:18 kados ok, cool, thanks 15:19 slef ok, I'm out of questions on wiki for now. 15:19 pierrick I'll ask him a dump :-) 15:19 kados slef: I'll ask that question in my email 15:19 kados slef: so over to you 15:19 thd I think it matters for giving a good impression of Koha to those who have not investigated enough to look past mere appearance 15:20 kados Main Web Editing 15:20 slef Main web editing - I have editor access to www.koha.org now. I don't know if I'm the first European, so if you want to discuss updates in English daytime, I'm here. 15:20 kados one thing to change: 15:20 kados Koha at Sourceforge 15:20 kados on the front page 15:20 slef Also, if you have suggestions to improve accessibility, let me know (spotted another one today) 15:20 kados should be Koha at Savannah 15:20 slef kados: OK, I'll get that. New URL? 15:21 kados https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/koha 15:21 pierrick slef: are you joking ? 15:21 kados I think I have editor access but I've long forgotten the url/user/pass :-) 15:21 slef pierrick: not right now. Why? 15:22 kados ok, moving along ... New blogs plan? 15:22 chris ahh that sneaked on when russ did the koha conf bit 15:22 chris (sourceforge) 15:22 kados however, I'm planning on putting together a new blog shortly that will just be about libraries and open source 15:22 slef There will be an upgrade to owu.towers.org.uk "soon" which will make the koha blogs look like the main site 15:23 kados and will be hosted on liblime.com 15:23 pierrick slef: I thought every Koha members knew Savannah Koha page :-/ 15:23 kados excellent 15:23 slef Does anyone know where blogs.koha.org is pointing? 15:23 chris nowhere? 15:23 slef pierrick: there are two or three pages for each savannah project. I'd rather link to the RM's preferred one! 15:23 chris i look after the dns 15:23 chris where would you like it pointed slef? 15:24 slef chris: should the link be on www.koha.org? 15:24 kados yea, as 'Blogs', definitely 15:24 chris to the blog aggregator? ... yeah i reckon so 15:24 slef I don't mind, but it seemed odd for it to have a link. 15:24 slef I'll just change the href URL, if that's OK. 15:24 chris thats fine 15:25 slef pierrick: http://koha.nongnu.org/ is a bit empty, though :-D 15:25 kados yea, someone wanna spruce that up? 15:25 kados you can check out the web repo 15:25 kados in fact, that could be a mirror of the koha.org site 15:25 slef kados: can we revisit one meeting when russ is here to tell us how to mirror? 15:26 kados sure 15:26 slef ok, I'm done, if there are no more www or blogs questions/requests. 15:26 kados slef: all set on the blogs plan? 15:26 kados pierrick: wanna talk about the Extension Manager? 15:26 chris id probably just set up an rsync cron job to do the mirroring slef but we can cover that when russ is around 15:26 pierrick kados: right 15:27 pierrick I've proposed kados to help him preparing a Koha extension manager 15:27 pierrick the extension manager would be an online application where users would share their extensions 15:28 pierrick an extension can be a new template, a translation, an additional tool 15:28 kados we also need some way to 'install' and 'uninstall' extensions I bet 15:28 kados it would really be cool to have an extensions framework like Mambo or Wordpress 15:28 pierrick each extension would have a README explaining how to install and uninstall I suppose 15:28 slef like http://modules.apache.org/ ? 15:29 pierrick slef: yeah, more like http://phpwebgallery.net/ext in fact ;-) 15:29 kados I'm guessing more like http://mamboxchange.com/ 15:30 pierrick kados: a plugin manager is a complicated task, very complicated 15:30 thd pierrick: what would distinguish extensions from base code? 15:30 russ hi everyone 15:30 pierrick hi russ 15:30 thd hello russ 15:30 chris i think we dont want to reach to far to start 15:30 kados pierrick: agreed,, but it would also help us narrow down a definition of the core functionality of an 'ILS' 15:30 kados hey russ 15:30 pierrick thd: for example a template is clearly an extension. Only 2 templates in standard : PROG and default 15:30 slef hi russ 15:31 chris if there was a place for people to upload their extensions and others to download .. and we left the installation/uninstallation documentation up to the extension writers 15:31 chris much like user contribs to oscommerce say 15:31 chris then thats a great first step 15:31 pierrick thd: plugin or MODs are other kind of extensions. They are features not officialy added 15:32 pierrick chris: I agree 15:32 chris if we try to aim on building a plugin handler, in a years time we still wont have an extensions site :-) 15:32 kados chris: good point 15:32 pierrick chris: that's what I do elsewhere and it works well 15:32 kados we've already got a lot on our plate with 3.0 15:32 chris yep 15:32 thd pierrick: what are MODs? 15:32 kados so maybe just a simple way to upload / download / document 15:32 kados thd: modifications 15:32 pierrick thd: code modifications 15:32 chris yeah, thats what pierrick was planning i think 15:33 pierrick kados: PEM is the PhpWebGallery Extension Manager, it is GPL software :-) 15:33 kados ok, sorry to have overstepped the scope, I've got visions you know :-) 15:33 chris and then we can build a fancy plugin handler if/when time permits or someone 15:33 thd MODs are mods. :) 15:33 chris has the desire 15:33 slef as someone whose work includes installing oscommerce contributions, I'd like to say FCOL NOOOooo...! 15:33 tumer do we expect these extensions to pour in? who else but us writing code? 15:33 chris quite a few people tumer 15:34 pierrick tumer: I think first of templates, not code 15:34 slef tumer: need to make them easy to install, easy to develop, easy to understand, well-documented, promoted, and so on. 15:34 chris slef: i see that as the extension writers problem 15:34 pierrick in PEM, each extension has several revision, and each each revision of an extension is compatible with a/some Koha releases 15:35 pierrick you can filter extensions compatible with you Koha 3.0.1 installation 15:35 kados pierrick: so you're suggesting we actually use PEM? 15:35 pierrick kados: of course 15:35 kados pierrick: got a url? 15:35 tumer who checks that a script extension does not really mess up customers installation 15:35 slef chris: having rankings and details of what's inside (patch files, and so on) would be a big big help. Almost no contribution author ever writes "here you go, but my work is crap". 15:35 slef russ: speedy. 15:36 pierrick the project page or a demo ? 15:36 chris slef: true, we could let users rank them 15:36 thd tumer: the QA manager would be pierrick 15:36 pierrick https://gna.org/projects/pem/ 15:37 tumer thd: so pierrick checks every extension? 15:37 slef chris: helping them with how to write good patches or mod scripts is probably essential too. 15:37 pierrick PEM requires improvement, I'm working on it 15:37 chris slef: yep they will require feedback 15:37 pierrick tumer: extensions are not official 15:38 kados pierrick: this is your project? :-) 15:38 slef chris: I'm thinking more of an extension framework a bit more than shove-it-in-a-zip 15:38 pierrick tumer: extensions are shared among users, we can't check every extension 15:38 kados hold on guys, pierrick is in fact the project admin for PEM 15:38 chris and that might be our end goal 15:38 tumer pierrick: extensions on official site messing up installations could be damaging 15:38 thd tumer: it should be easy to check until there are a nontrivial number of extensions and then I agree it would be a problem for checking 15:39 slef pierrick: is its manual GPL? 15:39 pierrick kados: a virtual friend wrote it for PhpWebGallery and we are working together to improve it and to make it generic 15:39 chris but id like to at least get somewhere people can put up their templates, and firefox extensions for now 15:39 kados chris: kohazilla.org :-) 15:39 slef tumer: should we have http://extensions.unofficial.koha.org/ ? 15:39 tumer something like that 15:39 pierrick slef: what do you mean "manual GPL" ? PEM is under GPL. 15:40 chris a nice disclaimer would be good too 15:40 slef pierrick: someone told me gna.org required you to use the adware FDL for manuals. 15:40 kados pierrick: here's my take 15:41 kados pierrick: we're very short-handed right now 15:41 kados pierrick: 3.0 development is going at a snails pace 15:41 kados pierrick: so if you have time to spend integrating a PEM framework into Koha, by all means do 15:41 pierrick slef: PEM is not a manual, it's an application (and I don't really understand what you mean with "adware FDL") 15:41 thd slef: FDL will be revised to correct that problem after GPL V3 15:42 slef chris: "Warning: We don't approve it. If it breaks then you get to keep both pieces." 15:42 kados pierrick: but I can tell you right now, I won't be able to spend any time on it other than seeing how ti works 15:42 chris yes slef 15:42 kados pierrick: unless I'm misreading what your suggestion is 15:42 pierrick kados: what do you mean "PEM framework integration into Koha" ? I had a mind a "PEM installation on koha.org" 15:42 slef pierrick: does it have no manuals? 15:43 kados pierrick: I see ... 15:43 kados pierrick: I missunderstood what PEM is 15:43 pierrick slef: no manual for now 15:43 kados pierrick: in that case, go for it 15:43 thd pierrick: I will explain the GNU Free Documentation License to you later 15:43 pierrick PEM is an online application, quite a simple one in fact, but I didn't find anything like it 15:43 slef thd: and LPI will release xamnet, Ubuntu will release Rosetta, and CC will release a version that is usable for free software, later. Vapourware. Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. 15:44 kados pierrick: great, in that case, go for it 15:44 kados we should move on because tumer must be getting tired :-) 15:44 pierrick kados: OK 15:44 kados so Perl-ZOOM plugin 15:45 kados I just lost power 15:45 chris ok 15:45 kados so if my internet goes away, that's why 15:45 tumer so did i 15:45 kados (running off the UPS now) 15:46 chris basically i think between what tumer and joshua and I have done 15:46 thd slef it is true that even GPL V3 was vapourware for 4 years but it is promised to ship on time unlike Microsoft stuff next year 15:46 chris we are about there, i just need to see tumer's code 15:46 slef thd: later. 15:46 chris and then it will be merging/tidying and packagin 15:46 chris g 15:48 tumer I have no CQL running all PQF waiting for you chaps. but I had to have it working very quickly. i'll send all the code to chris 15:48 chris fantastic 15:49 kados s00t 15:49 kados w00t even :-) 15:49 slef What's PQF? ;-) 15:49 tumer waiting for me? 15:50 kados tumer: sure 15:50 tumer PQf or RPN whatever you wanna call it. 15:51 slef Reverse Polish Notation, I know 15:51 tumer Chris the code will be with you tomorrow its on the server that I cannot reach at the momemnt 15:51 kados excellent, thanks tumer! 15:51 chris no problemo 15:51 chris i have a bunch of marc data to fight with today anyway 15:51 kados final item is UNICODE status for head 15:52 kados which I added 15:52 kados I haven't had a chance to test pierrick's method yet 15:52 kados and in fact, pierrick, could we talk tomorrow about that? 15:52 pierrick kados: sure 15:52 kados ok ... great 15:52 tumer I wanna suggest some changes to zoom connectins and so on who do I do that? 15:52 kados tumer: koha-devel 15:52 thd slef: I believe RPN is used at a low level below CQL. 15:52 chris thats right 15:53 kados tumer: or right now you can suggest them 15:53 kados tumer: while we're all here 15:53 tumer RPN is very fast but not friendly 15:53 tumer I dont like anonymous acces with rw privileges 15:53 tumer have two connections 15:53 chris yeah that needs to be fixed 15:53 kados tumer: easy to fix 15:54 kados tumer: there's a passwdc: option 15:54 tumer have a password protected connection for updating 15:54 kados ahh, cool 15:54 tumer I already have that on mine 15:54 kados so you've already done that :-) 15:54 chris cool 15:54 tumer yep 15:54 kados more code for us to steal :-) 15:54 kados yea, maybe you should be the release manager, I'll be the assiatant :-) 15:54 tumer I'll commit them if I learn this CVS 15:55 kados excellent! 15:55 tumer also have backup system 15:55 chris tumer: do you drink alcohol? 15:55 chris if so, i figure we owe you a few beers at the koha conference :) 15:55 tumer More than youy know 15:55 kados hehe 15:55 kados yea, beers are on me too :-) 15:56 kados tumer garip rocks ! :-) 15:56 kados ok, I've got another meeting to go 15:56 pierrick tumer: if you have problems with CVS, you can ask me on #koha 15:56 kados slef: no kidding, it's crazy in france right now :-) 15:56 chris still strikes on slef? 15:56 slef Mayday<fx:mumbles /> 15:56 kados so meeting's closed :-) 15:56 tumer Should I come to Paris or Marseilles? 15:57 chris slef, russ and I will be transiting heathrow on the 30th .. can u fit i a suitcase? 15:57 slef chris: Mayday tends to be a pretty popular strike time, what with Labour day then too 15:57 chris marseilles would be the most useful i think tumer 15:57 slef chris: I try to avoid flying and dumping CO2 in the atmosphere, when there are usually cool trains to use. 15:58 chris fair enough 15:58 pierrick tomorrow is another big strikes day but I think the movement is "decreasing" 15:58 slef I def can't make Marseilles, as I booked a trip the following weekend, like 3 days before I read about kohacon. 15:59 chris paris will be good too 15:59 hdl agress. 15:59 slef pierrick: wait a few days and Sarkozy will say something stupid to start it again 15:59 chris but Marseilles is where we will be concentrating on the development side 15:59 chris if that helps you decide tumer? 15:59 hdl thanks for all the information everybody. 16:00 hdl Time to go to bed. 16:00 slef give me an AV or SIP or even IRC feed! ;-) 16:00 chris yeah, well sort something out :) 16:00 pierrick slef: Sarkozy does not say things stupid, it's Chirac and Villepin job :-) Sarkozy plays with media and barely make mistakes 16:00 chris we'll 16:01 chris ohh french politics .. this meeting could go on for hours :-) 16:01 slef pierrick: so all those suburb youths a few months ago shouting his name while throwing firebombs wasn't Sarkozy's fault? ;-) 16:01 slef chris: I think the meeting was closed up there ^^ wasn't it? 16:01 slef <kados> so meeting's closed :-) 16:01 chris yep, i was joking 16:01 slef had me worried 16:01 chris ok, thanks from me as well, i better go get some coffee and start work 16:01 pierrick slef: well you're right, I had forgotten what he had said a few month ago :-) 16:02 tumer I am also a bit pushed as I want to bring the National library director with me. It may have to be Paris 16:02 chris ahhh 16:02 chris that would be best for the director 16:02 chris we can have a meeting after the conference on one of the nights 16:02 chris and talk development issues 16:03 chris i know there are great cafe's in paris :-) 16:03 tumer chris:yep, and beers! 16:03 chris :) 16:03 thd tumer do you mean the director of BNF? 16:03 chris i doubt it thd 16:03 tumer Director of National Library of Turkey 16:04 tumer They are about to be converted to KOHa 16:04 chris rock on 16:04 chris thats awesome 16:04 thd tumer: I had not yet discovered where you were 16:04 russ woo that is good news 16:05 tumer with some development money. turkish translations the lot:) 16:05 chris great 16:06 thd tumer:will they be converting wholly to Koha or just in part? 16:06 tumer Thats why I have to get the system ready for 1.5M records soon 16:06 tumer From Aleph to KOHA everything 16:07 tumer On the line 2 universities converting from Millenium to KOHA 16:07 thd tumer: I guess that answers my question if the total size is 1.5 million records. 16:07 tumer Thats the first amount of records they are giving us 16:08 thd tumer: what is the total size of the collection for the Turkish national library 16:08 thd ? 16:09 tumer About 2.5million but they said they will put other archive on it up to 4M 16:11 thd tumer: what distinguishes the content of the 1.5 M from 2.5 M and then 4 M? 16:11 tumer 1.5M books 1M manuscripts rest maps and photos 16:12 thd tumer: do they use LC classification for the whole collection? 16:13 tumer Dewey 16:13 tumer We use LC 16:13 tumer By sept we'll have 300K records on ours 16:14 thd tumer: who is we? 16:14 tumer Near East University Library-Cyprus 16:15 tumer I have to go. G'night and bon nuit! 16:15 thd good night tumer 18:19 rach wow - that's pretty cool 18:20 rach I wonder if we could do a release about the turky national library? 03:08 hdl hello ToinS and paul 03:08 ToinS hello ! 03:08 paul hello aussi 03:08 paul très mauvaise nuit qui explique mon absence d'hier soir : bébé jérémie a fait des siennes... 03:08 paul (et madame n'était pas là !) 03:09 paul j'ai lu les logs du meeting. 03:09 paul pas mal de choses. j'espère qu'on pourra embarquer Tümer... 03:09 paul il me semble être un bonne recrue ! 03:09 chris evening 03:09 paul hi chris. 03:10 paul you can tell russ that registrations for KohaCon grow quite rapidly. 03:10 chris excellent 03:10 paul an announcement has been done on the largest mailing list (biblio-fr). 03:10 chris i heard today that Irma is considering coming as well 03:10 paul great. 03:11 paul (for which meeting ?) 03:12 chris the Paris one 03:12 chris Un café, s'il vous plaît 03:12 paul you've never been in France chris ? 03:13 chris yep ive been to Paris before 03:13 chris for 1 week, in 1999 03:13 paul so you already know how smiling "garcons de café" are... 03:13 paul in Marseille, ppl are smiling much much more. 03:14 chris :) 03:14 chris this is a useful phrase 03:14 chris Pardon, mais je ne parle pas français 03:15 chris i found that if I tried to order in French, people were nice 03:15 chris i think they appreciate you are trying 03:18 paul everyone is right ;-) 03:18 chris :) 03:21 chris did you see Tumer say that the Director of the National Library of Turkey is coming? 03:22 paul yep. Although I did not realize it was sure 03:24 chris some very interesting news from him at the meeting 03:25 chris maybe we can do some press releases about it from the conference 04:40 paul pierrick : 04:40 paul http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/cvslog/ 04:40 paul est un lien qui pourrait t'intéresser. 04:41 paul plg est 25°, en forte progression. On surveille son activité, mais il pourrait rentrer rapidement dans le top 10 des développeurs... 04:54 pierrick paul, erreur 404 04:55 paul et ca : 04:55 paul http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/cvslog/cvschangelogbuilder_koha.html 04:55 paul ? 04:55 pierrick paul, ce stats sont basées sur le nombre de commit, or j'ai l'habitude de faire plutôt peu de commits, mais gros, donc je risque d'être mal classé, mais je m'en remettrai :-) 04:56 pierrick toujours pas 04:56 paul c'est clair que acli commitait 5x par jour. 04:56 paul ce qui explique son classement ! 04:56 paul alors que proportionnellement, il a fait peu de choses (mais très précieuses) 04:56 paul (les outils d'internationalisation principalement) 04:56 pierrick là par exemple, je vais faire un gros commit 04:57 paul does someone know how to have a smaller or larger cursor with CSS ? 04:57 paul kados uses se-resize in MARC editor, but it's tricky to select what you want to resize 04:57 paul (as the cursor is large, and the link small) 04:58 paul http://i8.bureau.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl 04:58 paul (login test/test) 04:58 paul (the small abz just below 020 for example) 05:00 pierrick my cursor is different over abz 05:00 pierrick some kind of reversed arrow 05:00 paul it's the se-resize 05:00 paul (south-east resize) 05:00 pierrick OK, is that Javascript ? 05:01 paul yep. 05:01 paul (javascript is mandatory in librarian interface) 05:01 pierrick I'm not Javascript expert at all, newbie in reality 05:01 paul my problem is not a js one I think, but a css one. 05:02 pierrick paul, I'm not sure you can modify cursor appearance with CSS 05:08 pierrick huge commit done :-) 05:08 slef http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ui.html#cursor-props 05:08 pierrick I'm going to send a mail on koha-devel to explain what pagination_bar function is and how it simplifies tempaltes 05:09 pierrick slef, interesting 05:12 paul writing : 05:12 paul + $pagination_bar.= 05:12 paul + "\n".' ' 05:12 paul + .'<a href="' 05:12 paul + .$url.$previous 05:12 paul + .'" rel="prev">' 05:12 paul + .'<' 05:12 paul + .'</a>' 05:12 paul + ; 05:13 paul for sure you'll become the 1st commiter in term of lines soon ;-) 05:13 paul (just a joke, i'm OK with this syntax, it's easy to read) 05:14 slef < is the only link text? Hope the font's large! 05:15 pierrick paul, my lines will never exceed 8 chars, but you're right on this example, I cut very early 05:15 paul 8 chars ? 05:15 paul quite small :-D 05:15 pierrick slef, I had to find a non language dependent string 05:16 pierrick s{8(?:[^\d])}{80} 07:24 hdl bonjour pierrick_ :D 07:28 pierrick_ salut hdl 08:34 paul hi shedges. 08:35 paul (did I read correctly : you have a new job ?) 08:35 paul yesterday : [19:15:59] <shedges> (There's nothing like having a Board meeting 11 days after you start a new job.) 08:37 shedges yep. Executive Director of OPLIN, Ohio Public Library Information Network: www.oplin.org 08:38 paul position added to director of NPL ? or you have left NPL ? 08:38 shedges I've left NPL. 08:38 paul www.oplin.org is down. 08:38 paul the new director is known ? 08:39 shedges I have to drive about 100 KM each day to get to this new job. 08:39 shedges Yes, new director is the former assistant director 08:39 paul bad. You plan to move ? 08:39 shedges no, I don't plan to move. 08:39 paul who was ... ? 08:39 shedges (The roads are good, it's an easy drive) 08:39 paul (did we meet him last year ?) 08:39 shedges Assistant Director --> Director Lauren Miller (her) 08:40 shedges No, she says we didn't let her meet you folks!! 08:40 paul as director, she now can decide it'si mportant to come to France in May ;-) 08:41 shedges right! 08:41 shedges http://www.oplin.org/ working fine here 08:42 paul "no anwser from the server" in France 08:43 kados working here as well 08:43 kados morning guys 08:43 paul hi kados. 08:43 paul commiting some improvements to MARC editors in the next minutes. 08:43 kados paul: great! 08:44 paul ( the + on a field works as on a subfield : without server call, only javascript. Was very easy once + on a subfield has been written ;-) ) 08:44 kados paul: i got a start at re-writing the opencataloger spec 08:44 kados paul: wow, great news! 08:44 kados http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.php?id=catalogingproject 08:44 paul ToinS is learning XUL & xmlHTTPrequest. 08:44 kados great! 08:44 paul seems to learn quite fast 08:44 kados good news 08:45 paul (& I won't say he don't, as he is reading the channel ;-) ) 08:45 kados hehe 08:45 kados hi ToinS 08:45 paul we spoke a little of our yesterday meeting. 08:46 kados shedges: you might find the 'unapi' specification : http://unapi.info 08:46 kados shedges: it was created by techno-librarians 08:46 kados paul: yes? 08:46 paul It seems to me that the client side should be unique, whatever we want to edit 08:46 paul we will have 2 or maybe 3 webservices that will be different depending on sources 08:47 paul (koha, Pines, something elst) 08:47 ToinS hi kados 08:47 paul and destination (koha, pines, a ftp server where you put iso2709 biblios...) 08:48 paul a question : do we want to be able to edit something that is not MARCXML ? 08:49 paul (like dublin core) 08:50 kados yes 08:50 paul if yes, then we need to build an abstraction layer. 08:50 kados well, i think that's what miker had in mind 08:50 paul something like an XSL to transform the input format in something generic for us. 08:50 paul that's what I thought too. 08:50 kados http://open-ils.org/~miker/opencat.png 08:50 kados yes, XSLT might work well for that 08:51 paul the question being : can such a stylesheet be written ? 08:52 kados I think one probably already exists 08:52 kados pines uses xslt for some things I think 08:52 paul http://www.loc.gov/marc/marc2dc.html 08:52 paul http://www.loc.gov/marc/dccross.html 08:53 kados and also, the previous class's code uses a marc xslt stylesheet (probably the ones you link to above) 08:53 paul pines uses DC internally ? 08:53 kados no 08:53 kados they use MODS 08:53 kados kind of 08:53 kados actually, they create their own 'meta records' 08:54 kados http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ 08:54 kados you'll have to ask miker for the particulars 09:04 paul kados : addbiblio.tmpl commited. 09:04 paul look for cloneTag 09:04 paul (default templates) 09:18 slef whoops, left myself idle here 09:19 slef sorry all 09:25 kados paul: I'll check 09:25 kados paul: I have something to add as well 09:25 kados paul: in the NPL template, there is a new feature for 'auto-renew' a member 09:25 kados paul: it needs to be adjusted to set the date to the one specified in sysprefs 09:26 kados paul: also, note that the AdvancedMarcEditor syspref breaks the marc editor (at least it did for me) and I haven't h ad a chance to fix it yet 09:27 kados paul: and I thought it was going to be Koha 2.2.6, not Koha 2.4 ... 09:27 kados paul: I will have stephen change my documentation on kohadocs.org 09:27 paul look at my commit, it seems to work for me (advMARCeditor) 09:27 kados shedges: did you catch that? :-) 09:27 kados paul: I will check it out 09:27 paul mmm... I thought we all agree to call it 2.4.0 09:28 kados sure, fine with me 09:28 paul & it seems a good idea to me. 09:28 kados yep 09:28 kados so 2.2 is no longer maintained then? 09:28 paul right. I consider 2.4.0 as 2.2.x improvement. 09:28 kados ok, good 09:28 paul (no change in the DB) 09:28 kados right 09:29 paul + easier to explain to customers that it's an important upgrade, with many new things. 09:29 kados yep 09:29 paul (I will have a bunch of questions to ask to most of them "did you see XXX. I think you'll be interested, do you want me to explain deeper the feature & set it up ?" 09:32 kados right 09:49 slef what tag is 2.4? savannah's webcvs doesn't work for me 09:52 paul 2.4.0 is still rel_2_2 09:52 paul I'll create a rel_2_4 after the release. 09:53 slef thanks 09:56 slef "The installer is *wrong* on languages available" -- why not mention that to me, instead of putting an "up yours" in the release notes? 09:56 slef then I can fix it before release 09:56 slef grmbl 09:59 slef "Everything is previous versions" -- that means what? 10:00 paul on which line ? 10:00 paul found 10:00 paul everything is compatible with previous versions 10:01 paul 2 words missing :-( 10:02 kados paul: i'll edit the release notes this afternoon 10:02 kados paul: it's on my list for today :-) 10:02 paul kados : note that slef does it too. 10:03 kados ahh, in that case ... 10:03 kados slef: are you reading through/editing all of the release notes? 10:03 kados slef: or just certain sections? 10:03 kados slef: I'll leave it to you if you're already working on it 10:03 kados hey owen 10:04 owen Hi 10:04 slef kados: I'm going through it all, checking for language, not content 10:05 kados slef: excellent 10:05 slef apart from where I can't understand the language as a result! ;-) 10:05 kados slef: I'll leave that to you then :-) 10:05 slef currently 51% done 10:05 paul hi owen. 10:06 slef paul: neither English has spaces before ! and ? on end of sentences. I know that's hard, as I do the wrong thing in French again and again and again. 10:06 paul thanks. I knew the rule for :, but not for ? or ! 10:06 paul is there something that has a space before ? 10:07 paul is there something that has a space before? 10:07 paul ;-) 10:07 slef I think : can be done either way, depending on situation, but not ?! 10:08 slef I'm editing content: changing amazon bit "it's not legal" to "it may not be legal" and similar in line 101. I think claims of legality need more research and references than we want to put in the release notes. 10:09 paul right. good suggestion. 10:10 kados ahhh 10:10 kados hang on 10:11 kados I emailed amazon.com several months back 10:11 kados it's 100% legal 10:11 kados you can referece their terms of use 10:11 paul in France, librarians tells me it's not legal without explicit permission from each editor. 10:12 kados maybe we're talking about two different sides of 'legal' 10:12 paul seems to be really a problem : nobody tried, so nobody really knows, but everybody has an opinion ! 10:12 paul (in France I mean) 10:12 kados is it legal for amazon to offer content to libraries? yes! 10:12 kados is it legal for libraries to use the content, in france we don't know 10:13 paul is it legal in france to show the cover page : NO. 10:13 kados ahh ... a separate issue altogether 10:13 slef kados: France has author's rights laws, a bit different to copyright law. So, I'd be cautious about this whole area :) 10:13 kados does amazon.fr show the cover page? 10:13 kados I see they do 10:13 paul in france, you can show the cover pages, but only if you ask for permission to the editor. 10:14 paul (each editor I mean) 10:14 slef kados: do they have agreements with the producers and/or willing to test it in court? possibly. 10:14 slef Contador wins! 10:14 kados :-) 10:14 paul I think a bookseller will never have problems with cover pages, as they ... sell the book ! 10:14 kados right 10:15 paul but libraries don't sell books. And a few years ago, editors wanted a fee from libraries each time the book was issued 10:15 kados ok, but please don't frame it in a way that will scare folks away from usnig it :-) 10:15 paul (something like 1F, 0,15¤) 10:15 kados wow, that's crazy 10:15 paul french government said "it's a cultur problem, not a seller one. so => no" 10:16 paul but editors are still hidden in the dark, waiting for their prey... 10:16 slef submarines :-( 10:16 paul for example, libraries can issue DVD & VHS, but they have to pay a specific fee. 10:17 slef checkin 10:18 slef hrm, 1. Sanchez 2. Contador... guess that 10:18 slef 's the stage. I don't speak Euskal 10:18 slef Euskara even 10:18 slef Basque :) 10:19 slef must annoy them that English uses the French name. 10:24 slef kados: argh! don't top-post whole-quote, please! 10:24 pierrick migration to Dokuwiki is well advanced, but there are still some syntax really hard to migrate 10:25 slef pierrick: does/can Dokuwiki use http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TextFormattingRules ? 10:25 kados slef: argh! don't tell me not to do that, please! some people like top-posting 10:27 pierrick slef, Dokuwiki is not compatible with the rules you gave me. You show me rules of the current wiki 10:37 slef kados: some people like suiciding. Doesn't mean I must like it. 10:37 kados slef: what a comparison 10:37 slef pierrick: so Dokuwiki can't use wiki text? 10:37 kados slef: that extra 200 bytes really makes a difference ;-) 10:38 pierrick paul, slef does not like top-posting 10:38 paul what is top-posting ? 10:38 pierrick I don't either 10:38 pierrick answering before the question 10:38 slef paul: when the email says something like: 10:39 paul ah, ok 10:39 pierrick (is the logical reading order) 10:39 slef A. Because he went there. 10:39 slef > Q. Why did the chicken cross the road? 10:39 paul answering before the question 10:39 paul I hate it too ;-) 10:39 slef I scroll to end of quote and wonder why someone sent a message that only quoted. 10:40 pierrick slef, you have to accept it. It's impossible to make everybody use logical rules 10:40 paul I also hate 250 lines quoted for just 1 line "OK, thanks" at the end ! 10:40 slef paul: that's called AOLing 10:40 kados hehe 10:40 pierrick the most important is to avoid mixing top posting and bottom posting 10:40 paul lol ! 10:40 pierrick (in the same mail) 10:40 slef pierrick: aye, but kados usually emails prettily, so seemed worth a 1-line IRC shriek 10:41 kados slef: :-) 10:41 slef http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html#quoting if anyone hasn't seen it before 10:41 pierrick (slef, I already read your site) 10:41 kados slef: I top-posted due to time constraints today ... and only time constraints :-) 10:41 kados slef: but now I've spent more time talking about top-posting than if I had just not top-posted 10:42 slef ah, reciprocality wins again! 10:42 kados heh 10:42 pierrick slef, Dokuwiki supporta another wiki syntax, and it works good. I've personnaly never seen two wiki systems using the same syntax, do you? 10:42 slef s/ality/ity/ 10:43 slef pierrick: TextFormattingRules, markdown and there's another one whose name forget 10:43 slef pierrick: one-off syntaxes annoy the hell out of me, as I can't remember N similar-but-different ones 10:44 slef "You are in a maze of twisty wiki-like markups, all different. Exits are DIE, DIE, DIE." 10:44 pierrick slef, I understand, my blog system and my wiki system don't use the same wiki syntax, I always forget the one goes where 10:45 pierrick anyway... dokuwiki is 95% ready 10:45 slef pierrick: OK if I open a low-priority bug for this? 10:45 pierrick slef, what are you talking about ?? 10:45 pierrick a bug where ? 10:45 slef pierrick: a bug on bugs.koha.org saying "wiki.koha.org should use a more common syntax" 10:46 pierrick what would be the purpose? this bug will never be corrected? Why not concentrating on real problems ? 10:47 pierrick owen, did you see the pagination_bar I commited today ? 10:47 slef pierrick: to remind me and to suggest to any casual newcomer; it might be fixed, unless you'll refuse to apply any fix; I think wiki being painful to edit is a problem. 10:47 pierrick I have to write a mail explaning 10:48 pierrick slef, Koha is not a wiki system. We won't rewrite a wiki system to make it compliant with an unexisting "common wiki formatting rules" 10:49 pierrick I don't know why Dokuwiki was chosen (maybe because it's the best GPL wiki system at the moment) 10:50 paul reading my release notes, I think they are complete, but not very sexy 10:50 paul I think something should be added at the beginning 10:50 owen pierrick, I saw the CVS log message about pagination_bar, and I like the sound of it even though I don't know what it is :) 10:50 slef pierrick: koha is using a wiki; you can't stop other developers working on things (but you can be an obstruction); and I mentioned more common wiki syntaxes already. 10:51 paul like "libraries said suggested some improvements. As usual, the Koha team listen carefully and we added features that rocks to your preffered ILS" 10:51 paul i'll add something like that in french release notes at least ! 10:51 slef paul: I guess the opening needs to cover Who What Where When How and Why. 10:51 paul I let native english write something better 10:53 pierrick slef, excuse me if you understood my saying as aggressive, I don't understand the point you make about formatting rules :-/ that's all 10:53 pierrick s{excuse me}{sorry} 10:54 kados slef: koha.org->VewCVS link is wrong, should be: https://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=koha 10:54 pierrick do I continue working on Dokuwiki migration or do we stay with "more common formatting rules" of the existing wiki? 10:55 slef pierrick: the point is having a one-off syntax makes the wiki harder for users to edit than it could be. 10:55 pierrick slef, this syntax exists? 10:56 slef Dokuwiki has plugins for Markdown and Textile at http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki%3Aplugins#markup_schemes 10:57 pierrick concerning Dokuwiki migration, I have difficulties with the existing links syntax. There are many ways to make a link, some are not easy to match :-/ 10:57 slef could one of those be installed on wiki.koha.org ? 10:58 kados slef: tell me which ones you eant 10:58 slef I don't know bbcode, but I understand that's fairly common too 10:58 kados want even 10:58 slef pierrick: do either of those look easier/harder to migrate? 10:59 pierrick slef, I suppose I don't need to migrate syntax if Markdown syntax is supported. 10:59 kados k, I'll install that plugin 10:59 kados two secs 11:01 slef might be usemod from the looks of it 11:01 slef no, it says php 11:01 slef hrmph 11:03 kados pierrick: markdown installed 11:03 kados wait 11:03 kados one more step 11:03 pierrick kados, I'm going to install it too to check 11:08 kados pierrick: ok, it's installed on wiki.koha.org 11:08 kados pierrick: let me know if it doesn't work 11:14 pierrick kados, markdown doesn't seem to work :-/ I don't know if it's because the plugin doesn't work or because the syntax is not Markdown 11:14 kados pierrick: I think you have to enclose it in <markdown></markdown> tags 11:16 pierrick kados, :-) I did 11:17 pierrick (I always read the documentation before trying something) 11:18 shedges kados: just reading back -- I'll change 2.2.6 to 2.4 in your docs. 11:19 kados shedges: thanks! 11:19 kados pierrick: strange ... 11:20 kados pierrick: I don't even know what 'markup' is :-) 11:20 kados pierrick: does it work on your local install of dokuwiki? 11:20 pierrick markdown plugin seems to work because page rendering is different with and without <markdown> 11:21 pierrick my migration to Dokuwiki syntax works 95% 11:21 kados where, wiki.koha.org? or you local install? 11:21 kados pierrick: it's up to you how you want to do it 11:21 pierrick just a problem with some LinksLikeThat 11:21 kados pierrick: enable CamelCase in dokuwiki conf 11:21 pierrick slef will open 24 bugs on Bugzilla... 11:22 kados pierrick: that should make migration 100% :-) 11:22 kados pierrick: when is our first BSM (btw) 11:23 kados pierrick: if paul will release 2.4 on the 18th, maybe we could hold at least one BSM before that (hopefully two) 11:24 paul kados/pierrick : next week hdl & me will mostly be away 11:24 pierrick kados, camelcase is fine :-) 11:25 kados paul: ahh, ok 11:25 kados paul: so no bug squashing then :-) 11:27 pierrick kados, do you want to receive a dokuwiki.tar.gz ? 11:32 kados pierrick: sure 11:34 kados pierrick: email it to me and I will put it on wiki.koha.org right away 11:34 paul reading you tomorrow folks 11:36 kados night paul_away 11:36 pierrick too big file for mail 11:37 pierrick http://le-gall.net/pierrick/temp/dokuwiki-2006-03-09.tar.bz2 11:38 pierrick I'm not sure it's the last mysql dump of the wiki. But I can rerun the script I wrote on the last mysql dump if needed 11:42 pierrick read you tomorrow, I really have to send a mail to koha-devel explaining how pagination_bar works...